I personally like the Allen SCR better, it has the perfect layout for me. Having the references beside the text just makes it easier to find the reference for each individual verse.
I love my Schuylers too. I reach for them almost every time, the only exception is I have some Inspire bibles that I use when I want to color in for devotional times, not study.
Oh my… and I would be happy - no… THRILLED with just ONE. I will say… I am more fond of the non-black editions… though. Another thing I failed to mention is that ai liked that each new verse starts on a new line. I really appreciate that little nuance feature… which I think was the on the Stridon.
I wanted the Stridon to win this battle as the camel calfskin is just so amazing, but after a walkthrough of what each Bible has to offer I have to say the Allen takes the cake for me. The stridon weirdly pushes each verse number in where the beginning of the word should be instead of just having them off to the side a little bit like the Treveris. It just makes it look messy. I love all the extra features of the Allen. The formatting, the book intro’s, the footnotes and the cross references right next to each corresponding verse. It is almost a study Bible. If it had the camel calfskin it would be a winner for me. I wish I could have the Treveris format all with cross references and footnotes laid out like the Allen.
I would go with the Allan. Love the typeface and paper. The larger plus for me would be the references on the side. They are both beautiful bibles and I would love to have either, but if I had to choose it would definitely be the Allan.
Allan. I went back and forth for years, but just think the binding and paper quality is superior. Plus, while you may not see that much difference in ghosting, if you're using it to teach / preach, you will notice the difference when you start using that micron .005 in the margins.
I have a Schuyler Stridon, and it’s wonderful! Never even held an Allen bible. I have an older 1980s Nelson that has thicker paper and overall huge compared to my stridon, I love it too ! But if I had to pick I’d say I’d say my Schuyler! Great comparison video!
Fantastic comparison video and it was really neat to see behind the scenes! The Schuyler is beautiful but I think I still prefer the Allan. That may be bias because it’s what I have. Thank you for what you do, Tim!
Great video, thanks Tim! I own both an SCR and a Stridon. If I could only have one I'd pick the Stridon for sure because it's just easier to carry yet is very readable still. I tend to use the SCR at home and the Stridon at Church.
Great video comparison. For me, I too prefer the Schuyler over the Allan due to the cover, thickness, typography, and overall portability. BTW - keep adding more b-roll/out takes to your videos, like the variety. Thanks Tim!
Thanks for yet another amazing review, Tim! I LOVE the look of the new Desert Camel (would buy the new NLT Quentel in it if I could right now!)! BUT I think the Allan SCR gets my vote here today. The single column, wide margin, verse-by-verse format, to my eye, ideally serves the purpose of being a “work horse” Bible- a Bible designed for intense personal study as well as for preaching. To that end, the thicker GSM paper for note taking, coupled with the book intros, maps & illustrations, and lined notepaper make the Allan SCR the ideal Bible for this sort of purpose.
This is a great comparison-thanks again, Tim! I’d go with the Schuyler on this one, for all the reasons you described. It’s slightly more compact while still making (in my opinion) better use of space on the page, and it has a pretty but not overly ostentatious cover. The SCR is very classic, but the Stridon is sleek and classy in its own way-and that burgundy accenting is gorgeous!
I like the Schuyler Stridon better because of the size. The Allen looks like a great Bible but is just too big. Thanks for the comparison. I like it when you give us your opinion.
Awesome and thorough review! If I had to choose one, I'd have to go with the Allan. They're both beautiful but the Allan (even in it's size) is the specs king of ESVs. Can't beat the 36gsm paper, the Lexicon font, the clearly better linespacing, the book intros, the maps and extras in the back, the lined paper and that classic Crossway look. It's just too good. 28gsm is simply too thin for me, the tactile experience is a nightmare. If they had made it in at least a 32gsm, then we'd have a contender, but as it stands I'm over 28gsm. The Allan ESV SCR is the king of ESVs ❤
PLUS! Something he didn't mention. I use the Stridon daily and I really wish it had paragraph markers like the Allen does! I am thinking of buy one just because of this! For a time I would play a small dot next to each paragraph in my Stridon but that will take way too long to do the whole thing! lol
Been waiting years to buy a premium bible so I've been watching your videos. Now watching this video comparison of the 2. Last Monday I ordered the Schuyler Stridon in Crimson Red full yapp...Glad I did now, should be delivered Monday. Yay.
Thanks so much for the full Schuyler review and the side by side. In the full review you were really able to see the design and color elements you weren’t able to see in the unboxing. The comparison: I’d go Schuyler mainly because I don’t like the references etc being on the sides. Much prefer them on the bottom.
I really like Schuyler’s font and layout, and they have great colors and covers. My hang up is on the 28 gsm paper. It’s not the opacity but rather the “delicate” feel of it versus the Allan 36 gsm that I can’t get over. It may be okay in the smaller PSQ size, but in the full Quentel size, it feels like I’m going to tear the paper trying to turn the page or using the ribbons.
Very good review, Tim. For me it’s the Schuyler hands down. Allan’s 36 gsm is the only plus on its side, for me. Book intros and extra graphics/maps are no big deal. Interesting that the ESV Quentel is over 200 pages “thinner” than the Stridon.
I would go with the Schuyler!! I love your videos, you have helped me to my perfect Study bible the ESV and I'm going to start saving for this Stridon! Thanks so much Tim!
I went with the Allan SCR for my purchase and it is probably my favorite Bible. I will go back and pickup a Stridon but in a different translation. Probably in the new Marbles Saphire that is now on pre-order. thanks for the videos Tim. love the side by sides.
It is a perfect outline for the Allan for me. The refs are next to the text in the gutter, the margin has space for a John Edward’s or a Matt Everhard note system, lined paper for notes in the back, and they have it in blue right now. I have this layout in a 2011 version and I so want to rebind it. Schuyler’s refs look too bunched at the bottom. The Stridon is a beautiful Bible, but Allan is the winner. If I had the funds, I would be buying this Bible. Thanks Tim for your efforts in this vid, great comparison. God bless.
The Stridon looks great, but I have the SCR and it’s just amazing. I’m a big guy, and it doesn’t feel too massive to carry to me. I would be happy with either, but I have to give the win to the SCR. The understated, non-flashy elegance of Allan Bibles is hard to beat, at least for my taste.
The Allan Bible attracts me more due to the classic look and the thicker paper. You do make a compelling case for the Stridon. It is gorgeous bible and i could see me with it. Thank you for your time in showing the difference in the bibles
I realize I am late into this conversation, buy...I prefer the Allan. I did have the Schuyler Stridon. I love the layout with the refernces at the bottom separated beside the notes. However, the 28gsm paper was the killer for me. The Schuyler paper may be thinner and make the Bible lighter, but there is a price to pay for that. Just the usual action of turning the pages and taking notes in the Schuyler, the paper is so thin it curls after some time with regular use. That then leads to the pages end up in a mess and then eventually ripping. I had my ESV Stridon for about a month. I put notes into it from my Pastor's sermon. During our weekly Community Group Bible Study we discuss the sermons and answer questions the Pastor set up for study & discussion. Well, the notes I placed onto my Stridon caused the paper to curl up. While I was commenting and making gestures with my hands, my hand somehow caught onto the curled edges of the page and before I realized it my hand actually ripped the page straight up the middle, right there before the group. I have read other reviews about how Schuyler's paper curls after use and note taking. This particular copy of the Stridon ended up ripping in other areas. Thinking it was just my copy, I ended up buying another ESV Stridon and I have the same problem. So, I just pulled the trigger yesterday for an Allan ESV SCR with the heavier paper. Although it may be a bit bigger, at least I may have it longer than a month of normal use. I also, do not like when the beginning of a new book of the Bible starts in the middle of a page instead of on a new page. I do understand that is a decision the publisher makes for various reasons. But, it is not my preference. I have found that does not bother many people. So I cannot make that a quality issue with Schulyer. It is a personal preference, is all. Great review, Tim. Your comparison was fair and thorough. I do enjoy your reviews and watching your initial reaction after opeing your boxes! Your reviews have helped me in more ways than you know....Blessings to all!
Hey Tim, I own both Bibles. I agree with you on everything in this comparison! Except, 😁, I think the Tuscany Colorway is the bomb! Love my Allan SCR, but let’s be real. We ain’t carrying that anyplace, or even reading it sitting in a chair! Stridon for the win!
I have been saving money and looking for a premium ESV bible for a long time. After watching your review, if I can get only one "premium" bible. I will go to Stridon..I like the colour and the Full Yapp❤
Hi Tim! I would definitely prefer the Schuyler ESV Stridon hands down. Like you said, I like that it’s thinner. I like the layout better and references at the bottom for a more clean look. And it’s less expensive. Excellent video! 👍
Excellent Video! You have a knack of comparing the next two Bibles I was considering purchasing. And this time, the Allan SCR is actually in stock! Both are extremely nice but I just prefer the feel of 36 GSM paper so much more.
Tim, great video. If I could only have one I would most certainly choose Allan's SCR. Why? Simply because of the 36gsm. When studying, I jot down notes in the margins and the 36gsm paper is perfect for that. I could with Schuyler's 28gsm but I would be afraid of damaging the paper while recording my notes. I have both. The ESV Stridon is great as a reader while the SCR is perfect for sermon preparation.
I like having the cross-references at the bottom. As a user of Logos software, it has a feature that I can very quickly scan that text at the bottom of the screen and instantly see a passage list with scripture text on my phone or iPad. This keeps me focused on the page I'm reading but I won't have to page-flip. If the references were on the interior of the column, the curvature of the page could be a bit problematic. This is a great video..... My new goatskin ESV Stridon will be under the Christmas tree. Looking forward to diving in. Thanks for the videos, Tim.... you helped me nail down the ask for what will be a very special Christmas in 2023. The family is teaming up to get this. What a treat.
I think I'd take the Allan SCR over the Schuyler Stridon. The verse numbers are thicker, easier to find because they stand out more. It looks to me that the lines are spaced out a little bit more (not totally sure, but the video appears that way) which also makes it easier to read. I like the reference layout on the inside column because itll be easier to find. If I were to save up for either I would try to save up more for the Allan. theyre both expensive (especially in CAD). That's my take
I already have the SCR, Burgundy Red Silver Line Edition with blue under silver art gilt pages and blue ribbons. Thanks for confirming my choice! I don't mind the bigger size, fits me, and I have a couple other personal size Bibles that are my EDC's. I prefer the heavier paper of the SCR, the Schuyler PS Quentel has the same paper as the Stridon and I'm always afraid of tearing it. Plus, do like the paragraph breaks on the SCR. Both awesome Bibles but now even happier with my choice. Thanks for the comparison!
Both are wonderful, but neither are perfect. I'd love to see Schuyler move to a heavier gsm paper, maybe a 32, and I'd love to see Allan add raised spine hubs. I really like the colourway in the Schuyler. The Allan is quite expensive. The Allan text block reminds me very much of the original 2005 NCPB, even though that was paragraph format. I'm not a fan of the ESV, but those who are would be spoiled for choice with either of these gorgeous books. I'd really love to see these done in the NKJV translation, or in my absolute favourite, the New Matthew Bible translation, but that's just a pipe dream as it's too obscure. Great review, Tim. Really enjoyed it
I love the schulyer stridon bible. I absolutely plan on buying that exact one. It's different you know. The leather, the color scheme. The purple accents. It's special. So yeah that's my vote. Tomorrow's my wife and I 6 year anniversary. we're are off to celebrate. Have a wonderful day.
If could only choose one, I would pick the Allan. I just like the overall look. I prefer chunky over thinner and taller. Also the paper quality. Thank you for these videos, I am enjoying them 😊.
I’m grabbing my first Schuyler, NKJV Stridon, in November. I am an Allen guy myself and love the 36gsm paper , because I write in my Bibles. I SO wish Allen had a KJV like this one. I would buy it in a heartbeat
I was surprised how much I liked the look of the Allen. I have an NASB stridon it is almost the perfect bible. I think they should run thicker paper and down the font size so they can have even wider margins all around like the wide margin. Or make the Schuyler wide margin a verse by verse and that would absolutely be the one.
I bought the Alan SCR purple right when I saw it. Then later my pastor gifted a red stridon to my sister and so after comparing them both I don't have a favorite. If they had the stridon in a color I liked I would likely buy it and have both. But I greatly enjoy the higher gsm of the Alan, but the contrasting red on the stridon text really is quite nice on the eyes.
Great video comparison. I would say for a desk Bible I would pick Allen. Prefer thicker paper and like the references in gutter. But Schuyler Bible would win for me also because great desk Bible and more portable, plus I like the materials better and price. Thanks for doing this
Thanks, Tim. Another helpful video. Price is the clincher for me. If they were both same price I'd give a slight edge to the Allan, but I'm going to choose the Schuyler. As much as I love premium bibles I have an internal ceiling around $225; just could not ever bring myself to go north of that figure. Thanks again!
If I was an ESV guy the Stridon would be a good preaching Bible . Concordance font is very small. I’de wish for 32 gsm. Love the new leather. The SCR is also a great Bible for preaching. References are sort of in the gutter. I love the paper. I have Allan and Schuyler Bibles and love them both. I’de probably lean the the Stridon. The Allans have gotten a little rich for me.
The Allan SCR is great….but the Stridon is just so much more well rounded. It checks more boxes since it’s a little more travel friendly and price friendly. The red accents are a small thing but sooooo helpful.
For me, the paper difference is not so much about the Opacity but how it feels in hand. I’ve found the Schuyler 28gsm paper to feel too thin. Additionally, I think I prefer the Allan layout between these. They also indicate a new paragraph, which the Stridon does not. That Desert Camel Calfskin leather however is absolutely stunning! Would love if the EB exclusive of the Heritage came out it that 😁
Agree, I like my Schuyler with the 36 gsm better and reach for it more often because of the feel of it, over the 28 gsm Schuylers. Although, I love them all.
I'd go with the Allan. The size disparity isn't that big a deal for me, and I have been looking for a layout like the Allen for a while! Honestly, if it was in the LSB translation I would buy it right now! Even considering the price difference. The Allen in LSB IS my perfect Bible! It truly is!
I prefer the classic look of the Allan, however, I'm with you in preferring the Stridon because of the size. I own an older Schuyler wide-margin NASB95 with 36 GSM paper. I love it, but it is a bit to heft around!
Verse by verse is the only thing I like about both Bibles. That's it. If I was going to spend a ton of money for a Bible, it absolutely must check every box for me. :)
Tim, since I own both Bibles, I pick the Allan ESV over the Stridon, primary because the overall quality and material is better. The 36 gsm paper is better and easier to turn, (I am not sure why Schuyler stop using it anymore. Maybe cost)., the goatskin leather is more expensive and durable leather than calfskin, the color page art gilding is done better (deeper red color and more consistent , the gold gilded pages are more consistent, the Allan Beisford ribbons are longer and of a higher quality, the Allan tooled hubs are neater than the Schuyler raised hubs on the spine, the fAllan pleated corners are uniformed. The Allan ESV SCR is thicker and heavier than the Schuyler, but that is due to the thicker paper, more charts,and 32 pages on line paper. They both have wide margins and if you wish to right in them, I believe Allan 36 gsm paper is a better choice. I purchased my Bibles so this an objective opinion with not influencing from either company.
Schuyler, based on price alone, especially if the differences don't make that much of a difference. The size is a huge thing to me, so much so that I wish Schuyler would make the Stridon format Bib.e in a size between the PSQ and Stridon. We the people want a medium single column v. by v.
Tough to choose...maybe the Schuyler because of the size. I would plan to mark in either that I had and would want the wide margin that both of these offer.
Both are beautiful.However, I prefer the Allan ESV SCR. I like having the references in the gutter rather than at the bottom of the page. I LOVE the thicker paper - 28 gsm just feels flimsy to me, even though Schuyler does a good job with their paper. I don't mind having the larger size. It is worth a slightly larger Bible to have the features that I want. Finally, the cost of the Allan is about the same for me in Canada as the cost of shipping from Schuyler is huge and in USD which is also carries a big exchange rate to Cdn$. I do prefer the full yapp on the Schuyler, but not enough to balance all the positives on the Allan SCR ESV. So, I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on our favs this time, Tim! LOL! Great comparison video as usual. I super enjoyed watching. You did a great job showing the advantages of each Bible as well as highlighting the differences to allow people trying to decide between them to make an informed choice as to which they would prefer to own. Thank you!
I think the Allan ESV SCR has the edge here. The paper and the layout are just better. I do love the Schuyler Desert Camel, and Schuyler's Jerusalem Cross is always wonderful.
I think it would have to be the Schuyler, in just about every way. The price point is important point, too; I’m glad you noted that. Thanks for sharing! ✌️🤓
I would pick the Schuyler over the Allen based on size and the way the notes and cross-references are displayed. However, I'm looking for a premium Bible that includes the Apocrypha even though it will add to the weight and size.
I'd go with the Allan SCR. From my own experience, the 28gsm paper on the Schuyler has far more ghosting than is acceptable for a premium bible. Plus, I personally prefer the text layout of the Allan more. Great video!
They are both beautiful Bibles…. But I would personally have to go with the Stridon, mainly because of the layout and the extra margin space. Praying they do a KJV Stridon soon!
I really have to pick the Allan over the Schuyler. I agree that the paper thickness and the line spacing are the significant differences for me. The Schuyler is at the right price point but the Allan is the wishlist. I have not purchased either edition of the SCRs so it tells me I am not willing to settle on the Schuyler. I have the Schuyler Treveris and the Allan SCT reader’s Bible. I was waiting on the Allan SCR to complement the two. I believe the Allan SCR is still the one.
Interesting to hear you say the text block is better in the Allan. The Allan text layout looks less 'clean' than the Schuyler and the cross references in the inner margins are awkward and difficult to read properly. The text layout on the Schyuler looks better by far. However it's not only the text layout, but the paper feel makes up the text block. The Allan text block is has a higher paper gsm (36 vs 20), but that doesn't always correlate to paper 'feel' nor usage. Bigger doesn't always mean better. 🤷♂ So it'll be interesting to hear Tim's opinion on the weight and feel of the text block as someone who handles a lot of different Bibles.
Interesting! It is primarily the 'feel' of the Allan SCR paper that causes me to prefer it to the Schuyler Stridon! Don't get me wrong - I love my NASB Stridon - but I'm happy with my Allan ESV SCR. (I DO really like that cover and full yapp, though!)@@filobiblic
I can't afford either one, but if I had to choose, I would pick the ESV Strydon. First, it's cheaper than the R.L. Allan SCR. Second, that cover looks awesome. And last, but not least, I like the layout of the Strydon. I like how they have the cross references and textual footnotes in the same place but separated from each other so you can see them all in one place, instead of having to go to one place to find the cross references and another place to find the textual footnotes.
I personally like the Allen SCR better, it has the perfect layout for me. Having the references beside the text just makes it easier to find the reference for each individual verse.
I just can't stop buying Schuyler Bibles. I know it sounds crazy but they are the perfect balance of beauty and rugged craftsmanship.
I am jealous!
@@willcooper7345I am too - and I totally understand Shannon's comment!
I love my Schuylers too. I reach for them almost every time, the only exception is I have some Inspire bibles that I use when I want to color in for devotional times, not study.
I have had the same problem for the last year and a half, literally bought I think 11 of them?
Oh my… and I would be happy - no… THRILLED with just ONE.
I will say… I am more fond of the non-black editions… though.
Another thing I failed to mention is that ai liked that each new verse starts on a new line.
I really appreciate that little nuance feature… which I think was the on the Stridon.
The Schuyler. Main reason, they ship from Virginia. Plus, you cannot beat the quality. But I will say, I love my Cambridge ESV Topaz. Great video.
I love my Cambridge ESV Topaz too fantastic Bible.
I wanted the Stridon to win this battle as the camel calfskin is just so amazing, but after a walkthrough of what each Bible has to offer I have to say the Allen takes the cake for me.
The stridon weirdly pushes each verse number in where the beginning of the word should be instead of just having them off to the side a little bit like the Treveris. It just makes it look messy.
I love all the extra features of the Allen. The formatting, the book intro’s, the footnotes and the cross references right next to each corresponding verse. It is almost a study Bible.
If it had the camel calfskin it would be a winner for me.
I wish I could have the Treveris format all with cross references and footnotes laid out like the Allen.
I would go with the Allan. Love the typeface and paper. The larger plus for me would be the references on the side. They are both beautiful bibles and I would love to have either, but if I had to choose it would definitely be the Allan.
Allan. I went back and forth for years, but just think the binding and paper quality is superior. Plus, while you may not see that much difference in ghosting, if you're using it to teach / preach, you will notice the difference when you start using that micron .005 in the margins.
I would without hesitation buy the Schuyler if I could only have one. Your channel is pleasantly informative and most assuredly addictive.
You’re welcome… and I’m sorry!
I have a Schuyler Stridon, and it’s wonderful! Never even held an Allen bible. I have an older 1980s Nelson that has thicker paper and overall huge compared to my stridon, I love it too ! But if I had to pick I’d say I’d say my Schuyler!
Great comparison video!
Fantastic comparison video and it was really neat to see behind the scenes!
The Schuyler is beautiful but I think I still prefer the Allan. That may be bias because it’s what I have. Thank you for what you do, Tim!
Great video, thanks Tim! I own both an SCR and a Stridon. If I could only have one I'd pick the Stridon for sure because it's just easier to carry yet is very readable still. I tend to use the SCR at home and the Stridon at Church.
Great video comparison. For me, I too prefer the Schuyler over the Allan due to the cover, thickness, typography, and overall portability. BTW - keep adding more b-roll/out takes to your videos, like the variety. Thanks Tim!
Great review, I’d love to see Schuyler come out with a dedicated ‘home’ Bible, heavier paper, larger page, larger font.
Thanks for yet another amazing review, Tim! I LOVE the look of the new Desert Camel (would buy the new NLT Quentel in it if I could right now!)! BUT I think the Allan SCR gets my vote here today. The single column, wide margin, verse-by-verse format, to my eye, ideally serves the purpose of being a “work horse” Bible- a Bible designed for intense personal study as well as for preaching. To that end, the thicker GSM paper for note taking, coupled with the book intros, maps & illustrations, and lined notepaper make the Allan SCR the ideal Bible for this sort of purpose.
I like the Schuyler version better. I prefer the way they do the references better and the size is better.
Schuyler. In fact I am soon going to purchase an ESV from them. Great video as always.
Thank you Tim! I truly love the stridon bible as I love the cover and thickness.😊❤
This is a great comparison-thanks again, Tim! I’d go with the Schuyler on this one, for all the reasons you described. It’s slightly more compact while still making (in my opinion) better use of space on the page, and it has a pretty but not overly ostentatious cover. The SCR is very classic, but the Stridon is sleek and classy in its own way-and that burgundy accenting is gorgeous!
I like the Schuyler Stridon better because of the size. The Allen looks like a great Bible but is just too big. Thanks for the comparison. I like it when you give us your opinion.
Awesome and thorough review! If I had to choose one, I'd have to go with the Allan. They're both beautiful but the Allan (even in it's size) is the specs king of ESVs. Can't beat the 36gsm paper, the Lexicon font, the clearly better linespacing, the book intros, the maps and extras in the back, the lined paper and that classic Crossway look. It's just too good. 28gsm is simply too thin for me, the tactile experience is a nightmare. If they had made it in at least a 32gsm, then we'd have a contender, but as it stands I'm over 28gsm. The Allan ESV SCR is the king of ESVs ❤
PLUS! Something he didn't mention. I use the Stridon daily and I really wish it had paragraph markers like the Allen does! I am thinking of buy one just because of this! For a time I would play a small dot next to each paragraph in my Stridon but that will take way too long to do the whole thing! lol
The SCR RL Allan I have the Red my favorite color it’s my favorite!! Love the placing of the side column the references and the paper is superior.
I would prefer the ESV Stridon with the exact same colors as yours. It is a gorgeous bible and I love the layout.
Schuyler. I like that cross referencing system better. It looks nicer and easier on the eyes.
Been waiting years to buy a premium bible so I've been watching your videos. Now watching this video comparison of the 2. Last Monday I ordered the Schuyler Stridon in Crimson Red full yapp...Glad I did now, should be delivered Monday. Yay.
Hope you enjoy it!
My Stridon ESV in Siena Calfskin is being delivered today!! Thanks for making these videos.
Great review like always! Like interior of the Allan, and the exterior of the Schuyler.
Easy answer, I ordered the Schuyler Stridon. I chose the new crimson red, but the Desert Camel is gorgeous!!
I need a Desert Camel in my future!
Thanks so much for the full Schuyler review and the side by side. In the full review you were really able to see the design and color elements you weren’t able to see in the unboxing. The comparison: I’d go Schuyler mainly because I don’t like the references etc being on the sides. Much prefer them on the bottom.
Glad it was helpful!
I really like Schuyler’s font and layout, and they have great colors and covers. My hang up is on the 28 gsm paper. It’s not the opacity but rather the “delicate” feel of it versus the Allan 36 gsm that I can’t get over. It may be okay in the smaller PSQ size, but in the full Quentel size, it feels like I’m going to tear the paper trying to turn the page or using the ribbons.
I’m sorry but you really are too picky and wrong
I agree. The 28 gsm paper is pretty flimsy compared to the 36.
Totally agree, my first premium was the ESV Topaz. After owning the Allen SCR, paper gsm is a deal breaker for me now.
@@jdc1264 It’s my opinion and it’s right for me. 😜
Very good review, Tim. For me it’s the Schuyler hands down. Allan’s 36 gsm is the only plus on its side, for me. Book intros and extra graphics/maps are no big deal. Interesting that the ESV Quentel is over 200 pages “thinner” than the Stridon.
The Schuyler ESV Stridon is the winner here. And of all the current ESV versions currently from Schuyler. It's fantastic!
I would go with the Schuyler!! I love your videos, you have helped me to my perfect Study bible the ESV and I'm going to start saving for this Stridon! Thanks so much Tim!
I went with the Allan SCR for my purchase and it is probably my favorite Bible. I will go back and pickup a Stridon but in a different translation. Probably in the new Marbles Saphire that is now on pre-order. thanks for the videos Tim. love the side by sides.
It is a perfect outline for the Allan for me. The refs are next to the text in the gutter, the margin has space for a John Edward’s or a Matt Everhard note system, lined paper for notes in the back, and they have it in blue right now. I have this layout in a 2011 version and I so want to rebind it. Schuyler’s refs look too bunched at the bottom. The Stridon is a beautiful Bible, but Allan is the winner. If I had the funds, I would be buying this Bible. Thanks Tim for your efforts in this vid, great comparison. God bless.
The Stridon looks great, but I have the SCR and it’s just amazing. I’m a big guy, and it doesn’t feel too massive to carry to me. I would be happy with either, but I have to give the win to the SCR. The understated, non-flashy elegance of Allan Bibles is hard to beat, at least for my taste.
I really love the look of the Schuyler. That cover color is beautiful.
the colorway on the Schulyer is beautiful I just wish there was an option for a standard yapp.
Totally agree. The full yapp craze has gone a bit overboard now, especially given the large footprint already on the Stridon.
The Allan Bible attracts me more due to the classic look and the thicker paper. You do make a compelling case for the Stridon. It is gorgeous bible and i could see me with it. Thank you for your time in showing the difference in the bibles
I realize I am late into this conversation, buy...I prefer the Allan. I did have the Schuyler Stridon. I love the layout with the refernces at the bottom separated beside the notes. However, the 28gsm paper was the killer for me. The Schuyler paper may be thinner and make the Bible lighter, but there is a price to pay for that. Just the usual action of turning the pages and taking notes in the Schuyler, the paper is so thin it curls after some time with regular use. That then leads to the pages end up in a mess and then eventually ripping. I had my ESV Stridon for about a month. I put notes into it from my Pastor's sermon. During our weekly Community Group Bible Study we discuss the sermons and answer questions the Pastor set up for study & discussion. Well, the notes I placed onto my Stridon caused the paper to curl up. While I was commenting and making gestures with my hands, my hand somehow caught onto the curled edges of the page and before I realized it my hand actually ripped the page straight up the middle, right there before the group. I have read other reviews about how Schuyler's paper curls after use and note taking. This particular copy of the Stridon ended up ripping in other areas. Thinking it was just my copy, I ended up buying another ESV Stridon and I have the same problem. So, I just pulled the trigger yesterday for an Allan ESV SCR with the heavier paper. Although it may be a bit bigger, at least I may have it longer than a month of normal use.
I also, do not like when the beginning of a new book of the Bible starts in the middle of a page instead of on a new page. I do understand that is a decision the publisher makes for various reasons. But, it is not my preference. I have found that does not bother many people. So I cannot make that a quality issue with Schulyer. It is a personal preference, is all.
Great review, Tim. Your comparison was fair and thorough. I do enjoy your reviews and watching your initial reaction after opeing your boxes! Your reviews have helped me in more ways than you know....Blessings to all!
Definitely the Schuyler for me, ordering one next week
Hey Tim, I own both Bibles. I agree with you on everything in this comparison! Except, 😁, I think the Tuscany Colorway is the bomb! Love my Allan SCR, but let’s be real. We ain’t carrying that anyplace, or even reading it sitting in a chair! Stridon for the win!
I have been saving money and looking for a premium ESV bible for a long time. After watching your review, if I can get only one "premium" bible. I will go to Stridon..I like the colour and the Full Yapp❤
I would purchase the Schuyler Bible. I love the format of it overall.
Hi Tim! I would definitely prefer the Schuyler ESV Stridon hands down. Like you said, I like that it’s thinner. I like the layout better and references at the bottom for a more clean look. And it’s less expensive. Excellent video! 👍
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent Video! You have a knack of comparing the next two Bibles I was considering purchasing. And this time, the Allan SCR is actually in stock! Both are extremely nice but I just prefer the feel of 36 GSM paper so much more.
I bought the Allan (been looking for it for YEARS) but this Stridon is truly a work of art. I love the size more.
Tim, great video. If I could only have one I would most certainly choose Allan's SCR. Why? Simply because of the 36gsm. When studying, I jot down notes in the margins and the 36gsm paper is perfect for that. I could with Schuyler's 28gsm but I would be afraid of damaging the paper while recording my notes. I have both. The ESV Stridon is great as a reader while the SCR is perfect for sermon preparation.
I like having the cross-references at the bottom. As a user of Logos software, it has a feature that I can very quickly scan that text at the bottom of the screen and instantly see a passage list with scripture text on my phone or iPad. This keeps me focused on the page I'm reading but I won't have to page-flip. If the references were on the interior of the column, the curvature of the page could be a bit problematic. This is a great video..... My new goatskin ESV Stridon will be under the Christmas tree. Looking forward to diving in. Thanks for the videos, Tim.... you helped me nail down the ask for what will be a very special Christmas in 2023. The family is teaming up to get this. What a treat.
Two beautiful bibles! Never have Schuyler or Allen but they are look amazing 😍! Need look into great job Tim!
I think I'd take the Allan SCR over the Schuyler Stridon. The verse numbers are thicker, easier to find because they stand out more. It looks to me that the lines are spaced out a little bit more (not totally sure, but the video appears that way) which also makes it easier to read. I like the reference layout on the inside column because itll be easier to find. If I were to save up for either I would try to save up more for the Allan. theyre both expensive (especially in CAD). That's my take
I already have the SCR, Burgundy Red Silver Line Edition with blue under silver art gilt pages and blue ribbons. Thanks for confirming my choice! I don't mind the bigger size, fits me, and I have a couple other personal size Bibles that are my EDC's. I prefer the heavier paper of the SCR, the Schuyler PS Quentel has the same paper as the Stridon and I'm always afraid of tearing it. Plus, do like the paragraph breaks on the SCR. Both awesome Bibles but now even happier with my choice. Thanks for the comparison!
Both are wonderful, but neither are perfect. I'd love to see Schuyler move to a heavier gsm paper, maybe a 32, and I'd love to see Allan add raised spine hubs. I really like the colourway in the Schuyler. The Allan is quite expensive. The Allan text block reminds me very much of the original 2005 NCPB, even though that was paragraph format. I'm not a fan of the ESV, but those who are would be spoiled for choice with either of these gorgeous books. I'd really love to see these done in the NKJV translation, or in my absolute favourite, the New Matthew Bible translation, but that's just a pipe dream as it's too obscure. Great review, Tim. Really enjoyed it
An NKJV Schuyler Stridon in Desert Camel is on my wish list!! I agree if Schuyler used a 32 gsm paper that would be near perfection!
I love the schulyer stridon bible. I absolutely plan on buying that exact one. It's different you know. The leather, the color scheme. The purple accents. It's special. So yeah that's my vote. Tomorrow's my wife and I 6 year anniversary. we're are off to celebrate. Have a wonderful day.
( a bit late but, … ) Happy anniversary to you two and many blessed more !!
If could only choose one, I would pick the Allan. I just like the overall look. I prefer chunky over thinner and taller. Also the paper quality. Thank you for these videos, I am enjoying them 😊.
Fair enough!
I’m grabbing my first Schuyler, NKJV Stridon, in November. I am an Allen guy myself and love the 36gsm paper , because I write in my Bibles. I SO wish Allen had a KJV like this one. I would buy it in a heartbeat
Love the review, brother Tim!! Only if the Stridon had the pilcrow and only if the Allan used 28 GSM, then both would be immediately sold out!!!
I was surprised how much I liked the look of the Allen. I have an NASB stridon it is almost the perfect bible. I think they should run thicker paper and down the font size so they can have even wider margins all around like the wide margin. Or make the Schuyler wide margin a verse by verse and that would absolutely be the one.
I bought the Alan SCR purple right when I saw it. Then later my pastor gifted a red stridon to my sister and so after comparing them both I don't have a favorite. If they had the stridon in a color I liked I would likely buy it and have both. But I greatly enjoy the higher gsm of the Alan, but the contrasting red on the stridon text really is quite nice on the eyes.
Thanks for your great work on these reviews... From your review, I like the Schulyer more, especially based on the color of the leather.
My pleasure!
Great video comparison. I would say for a desk Bible I would pick Allen. Prefer thicker paper and like the references in gutter. But Schuyler Bible would win for me also because great desk Bible and more portable, plus I like the materials better and price.
Thanks for doing this
I bought the Schuyler, Empire blue for myself and a dark purple quentel for my wife. Bath were NASB.
Not a huge ESV fan, but if I had to choose one... the Allan text block with the Schuyler cover 😀
I am now saving to buy an ESV Stridon Black Pearl. You are partially responsible for it. Thanks!
Allen works for me. On top of the price is postage which brings the price closer. Allen is free but living overseas adds a premium cost to consider
Thanks, Tim. Another helpful video. Price is the clincher for me. If they were both same price I'd give a slight edge to the Allan, but I'm going to choose the Schuyler. As much as I love premium bibles I have an internal ceiling around $225; just could not ever bring myself to go north of that figure. Thanks again!
I will go with the Stridon. Thanks very much for this review! So educational and helpful.
Both look awesome! I think the cover you have on the Schuyler looks better than the Allan (I like both companies Bibles).
One day I’ll purchase one of these premium bibles. I’m currently geeking out over new leathersoft bibles.
Thanks Tim
If I was an ESV guy the Stridon would be a good preaching Bible . Concordance font is very small. I’de wish for 32 gsm. Love the new leather. The SCR is also a great Bible for preaching. References are sort of in the gutter. I love the paper. I have Allan and Schuyler Bibles and love them both. I’de probably lean the the Stridon. The Allans have gotten a little rich for me.
Considering all the features, I would go for the Schuyler Stridon.
The Allan SCR is great….but the Stridon is just so much more well rounded. It checks more boxes since it’s a little more travel friendly and price friendly. The red accents are a small thing but sooooo helpful.
I love them both ❤ but I prefer RL Allan
For me, the paper difference is not so much about the Opacity but how it feels in hand. I’ve found the Schuyler 28gsm paper to feel too thin.
Additionally, I think I prefer the Allan layout between these. They also indicate a new paragraph, which the Stridon does not.
That Desert Camel Calfskin leather however is absolutely stunning! Would love if the EB exclusive of the Heritage came out it that 😁
Agree, I like my Schuyler with the 36 gsm better and reach for it more often because of the feel of it, over the 28 gsm Schuylers. Although, I love them all.
I'd go with the Allan. The size disparity isn't that big a deal for me, and I have been looking for a layout like the Allen for a while! Honestly, if it was in the LSB translation I would buy it right now! Even considering the price difference. The Allen in LSB IS my perfect Bible! It truly is!
I would pick Lockman "Stridon" block in NASB for ~$50, thick Korean paper
I have the red crimson calfskin esv stridon and its gorgeous!!
I prefer the classic look of the Allan, however, I'm with you in preferring the Stridon because of the size. I own an older Schuyler wide-margin NASB95 with 36 GSM paper. I love it, but it is a bit to heft around!
Verse by verse is the only thing I like about both Bibles. That's it. If I was going to spend a ton of money for a Bible, it absolutely must check every box for me. :)
That was a fantastic review, and after carefully weighing both options…I would choose neither. they are both super quality, but neither speak to me.
Thanks for watching!
Tim, since I own both Bibles, I pick the Allan ESV over the Stridon, primary because the overall quality and material is better. The 36 gsm paper is better and easier to turn, (I am not sure why Schuyler stop using it anymore. Maybe cost)., the goatskin leather is more expensive and durable leather than calfskin, the color page art gilding is done better (deeper red color and more consistent , the gold gilded pages are more consistent, the Allan Beisford ribbons are longer and of a higher quality, the Allan tooled hubs are neater than the Schuyler raised hubs on the spine, the fAllan pleated corners are uniformed. The Allan ESV SCR is thicker and heavier than the Schuyler, but that is due to the thicker paper, more charts,and 32 pages on line paper. They both have wide margins and if you wish to right in them, I believe Allan 36 gsm paper is a better choice. I purchased my Bibles so this an objective opinion with not influencing from either company.
Schuyler, based on price alone, especially if the differences don't make that much of a difference. The size is a huge thing to me, so much so that I wish Schuyler would make the Stridon format Bib.e in a size between the PSQ and Stridon. We the people want a medium single column v. by v.
Tough to choose...maybe the Schuyler because of the size. I would plan to mark in either that I had and would want the wide margin that both of these offer.
Both are beautiful.However, I prefer the Allan ESV SCR. I like having the references in the gutter rather than at the bottom of the page. I LOVE the thicker paper - 28 gsm just feels flimsy to me, even though Schuyler does a good job with their paper. I don't mind having the larger size. It is worth a slightly larger Bible to have the features that I want. Finally, the cost of the Allan is about the same for me in Canada as the cost of shipping from Schuyler is huge and in USD which is also carries a big exchange rate to Cdn$. I do prefer the full yapp on the Schuyler, but not enough to balance all the positives on the Allan SCR ESV. So, I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on our favs this time, Tim! LOL! Great comparison video as usual. I super enjoyed watching. You did a great job showing the advantages of each Bible as well as highlighting the differences to allow people trying to decide between them to make an informed choice as to which they would prefer to own. Thank you!
I think the Allan ESV SCR has the edge here. The paper and the layout are just better. I do love the Schuyler Desert Camel, and Schuyler's Jerusalem Cross is always wonderful.
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I’m with you Tim -the paper thickness doesn’t matter if the quality is excellent. Schuyler for the (th)in! 😂
I think it would have to be the Schuyler, in just about every way. The price point is important point, too; I’m glad you noted that. Thanks for sharing! ✌️🤓
Good call!
I would pick the Schuyler over the Allen based on size and the way the notes and cross-references are displayed. However, I'm looking for a premium Bible that includes the Apocrypha even though it will add to the weight and size.
I'd go with the Allan SCR. From my own experience, the 28gsm paper on the Schuyler has far more ghosting than is acceptable for a premium bible. Plus, I personally prefer the text layout of the Allan more. Great video!
I disagree
They are both beautiful Bibles…. But I would personally have to go with the Stridon, mainly because of the layout and the extra margin space. Praying they do a KJV Stridon soon!
I really have to pick the Allan over the Schuyler. I agree that the paper thickness and the line spacing are the significant differences for me. The Schuyler is at the right price point but the Allan is the wishlist. I have not purchased either edition of the SCRs so it tells me I am not willing to settle on the Schuyler. I have the Schuyler Treveris and the Allan SCT reader’s Bible. I was waiting on the Allan SCR to complement the two. I believe the Allan SCR is still the one.
The perfectly timed “so there you have it!” 😂😂😂
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I really like the Schuyler Stridon ESV ❤
Hey Tim, what's the best way to store a Bible? I notice Randy from BBG keeps them in the box, I would love to hear your thoughts on this
I’m not worried about the box, but I keep them flat!
I would get the Schuyler because it looks better in my opinion and it seems to be more inviting.
Can’t wait for the saddle brown Schuyler ESV Stridon
I'd probably purchase the Stridon. I love Allan for sure, but I've never owned a Schuyler and this is the one I'd get.
Tim- Any chance of Crossway publishing the SCR again? Thanks!
Schuyler's Desert Camel Calfskin leather is better however the text block is better in the Allan. Looking forward to your take Tim.
Interesting to hear you say the text block is better in the Allan. The Allan text layout looks less 'clean' than the Schuyler and the cross references in the inner margins are awkward and difficult to read properly. The text layout on the Schyuler looks better by far.
However it's not only the text layout, but the paper feel makes up the text block. The Allan text block is has a higher paper gsm (36 vs 20), but that doesn't always correlate to paper 'feel' nor usage. Bigger doesn't always mean better. 🤷♂
So it'll be interesting to hear Tim's opinion on the weight and feel of the text block as someone who handles a lot of different Bibles.
Interesting! It is primarily the 'feel' of the Allan SCR paper that causes me to prefer it to the Schuyler Stridon! Don't get me wrong - I love my NASB Stridon - but I'm happy with my Allan ESV SCR. (I DO really like that cover and full yapp, though!)@@filobiblic
I agree!!!
I can't afford either one, but if I had to choose, I would pick the ESV Strydon. First, it's cheaper than the R.L. Allan SCR. Second, that cover looks awesome. And last, but not least, I like the layout of the Strydon. I like how they have the cross references and textual footnotes in the same place but separated from each other so you can see them all in one place, instead of having to go to one place to find the cross references and another place to find the textual footnotes.
That's "Great, putting the word of "GOD in the hands of others "awesome👍.
I have both and I appreciate them along with the Nasb Heritage passaggio in blue buffalo leather.