A combination of the two. A little something different to grab the attention combined with some classic licks to confirm that it is indeed a guitar solo
This felt like a song with two solos, the cliche is what one warms the listener up with, then the creative one is the second solo, that makes the person think, “well, that was different…” Or the Creative one is at the end of a song and slowly fades out as the listener just wants a few more seconds of solo.😄
Both solos are ultra badass. The creative one is different and shows dexterity and musicality. The second one is perfect for the music and really shreds!
Didn't like the pirubi pirubí and the happy double stops descending but the rest was 👍 tired of hearing of running up and down scales and arpeggios not even following some interesting melody.
@@INSOMNILOTUS no it just sounds cleaner. Like when a bassist plays too many fills it goes all flabby and hard on the ear. The cliche one is just way cleaner, and sounds better lol
@@INSOMNILOTUS No, the "creative" one just doesn't entirely fits with the music, it's too much "creative" to create a good really creative solo is that you mix rare scales and licks with the "cliche" ones, like marty friedman, jason becker and eric johnson always did
I'd say it's a lot like when Dave Mustaine plays a solo versus Marty Friedman. Marty has all the creative eclectic stuff. Which are some of the coolest solos ever to be recorded. While Dave stays basically pentatonic the whole time. But! Some of his solos work perfectly and fit the song too. Love this video!
To me, Countdown to Extinction is the best album to show that contrast off. Dave's solos kinda ground you to know it's "solo time," but then Marty's solos just blow your mind, both tonally and rhythmically.
Actually even Marty can do both stuff. Mostly he uses exotic scales and plays out of the box, but sometimes even he utilizes regular pentatonic and other scales, but only for a lick or a very brief moment. This can be seen especially in CTE and Youthanasia albums. But you are correct, Dave and Marty did compliment each other with two totally different style overall.
@@rudimentaer4830 the backing track is basically Tornado of Souls but with less chug. Chords and rhythm are almost identical though. At least to my ear
The cliche solo is just a good classic solo. Comforting, familiar but well done. The creative one is unique and different but may only appeal to hardcore guitarists. Both were great with but just different flavors.
Nicely put!! The cliche version is “easier” to listen to. But I personally prefer the first one because if it’s unique structure. I like something more if it doesn’t feel so familiar. Either way, amazing guitar playing and both beautifully written
As a musician myself, I wouldn't say that making a solo using just 1 tonality is bad, nor does it take no creativity. I think each tonality has its unique vibe, and sometimes I like how it feels when a song doesn't change its vibe.
@@bernieorbust6104 Since the progression only used power chords, it gives the soloist freedom to decide the quality of the chords. The chords are B5 G5 A5 that on their own imply basic B minor progression (Bm G A). But since they are power chords, you could get more creative with the notes you add on top. In this example, the more "creative" solo treated the B chord as a major chord, so it has this interesting alternating between major and minor sound (well, there were other things happening in it than just that, but this gives you an idea of what it means). The 2nd solo stayed in B minor all the time. Basically, the 1st solo is about approaching each chord individually and thinking about what kind of "exotic" stuff you can emphasize over each chord. The 2nd solo is about treating the progression as a "whole" - it's a basic B minor progression, so playing B minor scale over all of it sounds good. "Tonality" is basically the same thing as key/mode. But in this case, "changing tonality" refers to basically approaching each chord as a separate "tonality" (in other words, playing different scales over different chords). The actual key of the song doesn't change - the progression is still in B minor. But each chord is still treated as a separate scale. (And as I said, since they are power chords, this gives you a lot of different options, because you can decide whether the chords are minor or major, and you can also decide very freely what other notes you are going to add over the chords. If the chords contained more notes, you would have less possibilities. Power chords only have 2 notes, so you can pretty freely choose the 5 other notes in your scale. But a 7th chord has 4 notes, so your scale is only lacking 3 notes. In other words, the simpler the harmony, the more potential choices you have.)
@@MaggaraMarine Dear God, what a essay, man just asked what is tonality, it's just using different keys during a solo, not playing just in one, tonality = key
@@CarpeDiem23 Okay, but understanding when you can do that is pretty important, right? (And understanding what "changing key" actually means would also be pretty important, right?) If the chords weren't power chords, it would limit your potential note choice a lot more. Why you can take these two approaches over this specific progression is because you can interpret the chord qualities in many different ways. BTW, I don't believe you can actually change keys over this progression. The progression is in B minor, regardless of what you play over it. You can play different scales over it, but "changing keys" means something more fundamental than just playing a different collection of notes (it means an actual shift in tonal center, which I'm not hearing in this case). This is also why I think the last paragraph was necessary. And if you don't want to read my "essays" (BTW, wouldn't call it an essay), no one's forcing you to do that. But I assume the person who asked the question was interested in this stuff. If they had a problem with my answer, they would have pointed it out.
@@MaggaraMarine Some people can't read more than 2 lines, thank you for your fantastic essay. Great comment. I dont know music theory at all, so far I have been just playing around with tabs/scales/chords. Based on what you said, so far I understand that during the solo he can "choose" notes of a scale that represent each note of the progression? Bm G A So when he plays the B5 chord on the rythm, he can play around the Bm scale while the chord being played and it will sound good? Then switch to the G major scale when the G5 chord is being played? This while using the B as first and last note of a lick (Is that how you keep a tonal center btw?)
@@andreypolyakov1593 knowing your profile name sounds like a soviet general I'll come across in a Command & Conquer campaign, that joke was funny man. Kudos
No way. More like Friedman vs Mustaine bc no way Kirk Hammett could pull off playing either of these 2 solos. I mean c'mon.. Kirk Hammett is just wrong for anything past the "intermediate" level of technique he has not needed to bother with in Metallica. He can't even bother with working on that nervous panicked 'vibrato ' that is forever going to keep him out of being taken seriously as a guitarist despite a very successful career in Metallica. Mustaine and Friedman deserve more respect. Leave Hammett down at the intermediate class . He can keep Kerry King company there
@@keefbartooow2828Slayer destroys Metallica , Kerry King is up there , Megadeth can’t touch Slayer either. Totally different vibe and attitude Slayers first 5 albums just different , it’s own category . I listen to Megadeth and Metallica way more then Slayer, Slayer hits differently , not for everyday
Alternative title of this video: "Marty Friedman solos vs Kirk Hammett solos" hahaha. Both sounded great! Loved the note that you rested on at 0:05 in the creative solo!
Creative all the way for this demonstration. More pleasing to the ear; keeps ya guessing on the 1st listen. Cliche is predictable, but fun to do for an amateur musician or random improv class assignments
the 'creative' solo was just as filled with cliches as the cliched solo. puting a few strange notes in an otherwise standard progression is so cliched now that it sounds just like everything else.
Why not both? This is why bands like Iron Maiden are so good, they have Adrian and Dave putting it on the ground and then comes Janick, the underrated one, and just does crazy shit all over. And we drink to that. Both types of guitarists are awesome
@@jackinsane6928 i'd much rather listen to Iron Maiden than your music, and i'm not even an Iron Maiden fan but it still sounds a lot better than listening to some nobody i've never heard of. At least i've heard of Iron Maiden. You've had 30 years and you're still not famous. No name, no brand, no record label, nothing.
Janick is super sloppy most of the time. Adrian IMO is the best because its not just 100km/h random notes. He actually puts a lot more thought into the structure, and note selection too.
The artistry is in combining the two. Anyone can play something unique. Just play random notes on the guitar neck. To be interesting, you need to draw from the existing genre's rules and expectations, and modify them to make something that builds on the musical tradition of a genre.
Both are great in their own way. An average listener won't care about it too much. Sometimes the real power is in ability to convey more with less. I personally love when things start fairly simple with a catchy theme and progress to a more complex playing. Not overly abstract but melodic is what gets me going at least.
A combination of the two. A little something different to grab the attention combined with some classic licks to confirm that it is indeed a guitar solo
*reads this while listening to a Alexi solo
I agree with this!
Totally agree
Basically Marty Friedman
This should be common sense
"Sometimes cliche is good" is a lesson every musician has to learn at some point, IMO.
Yup. Because the mainstream wanker-listeners cant take "cacophony".
yes, there is a reason why something is used frequently.
@@Geraet Yes indeed ....Poor taste is rampant (like purposefully degraded schooling conditions )
That “cliche” sweep was 🔥
It was what?
@@davisthedaviskids2574it was fire
This felt like a song with two solos, the cliche is what one warms the listener up with, then the creative one is the second solo, that makes the person think, “well, that was different…”
Or the Creative one is at the end of a song and slowly fades out as the listener just wants a few more seconds of solo.😄
Bradley just wanted to show off his new lights, I know
Those things are beautiful
when you put lights on your christmas tree and didn't gauge it perfectly and only 70% is covered
I keep seeing ads for them as a training tool but honestly I just want sparkly frets lol
Pretty
sus
Both solos are ultra badass. The creative one is different and shows dexterity and musicality. The second one is perfect for the music and really shreds!
The first one is so much juicier. If you listen to them, and then listen to the first one again, you immediately notice more flavor.
Didn't like the pirubi pirubí and the happy double stops descending but the rest was 👍 tired of hearing of running up and down scales and arpeggios not even following some interesting melody.
@@Zappabainok Zappa calm down
That little double stop part in the creative solo hit it for me.
I like a mix of the two. Different melodies and a few weird notes from the creative solo but the classic feel from the cliche.
I definitely liked the Cliche one more.
Nothing wrong with that
because it's just cliche. we've heard that one, over and over again. so we get to used to it.
@@INSOMNILOTUS no it just sounds cleaner. Like when a bassist plays too many fills it goes all flabby and hard on the ear. The cliche one is just way cleaner, and sounds better lol
@@INSOMNILOTUS No, the "creative" one just doesn't entirely fits with the music, it's too much "creative" to create a good really creative solo is that you mix rare scales and licks with the "cliche" ones, like marty friedman, jason becker and eric johnson always did
The creative one is just annoying
I thought this man was about to play the Tornado of Souls solo and call it cliche 💀💀💀
Cliche sounded more cohesive. I did like the "CBS Story Break" intro on Creative as well as the humorous double stop phrase that was thrown in haha
I'd say it's a lot like when Dave Mustaine plays a solo versus Marty Friedman.
Marty has all the creative eclectic stuff. Which are some of the coolest solos ever to be recorded. While Dave stays basically pentatonic the whole time. But! Some of his solos work perfectly and fit the song too.
Love this video!
To me, Countdown to Extinction is the best album to show that contrast off. Dave's solos kinda ground you to know it's "solo time," but then Marty's solos just blow your mind, both tonally and rhythmically.
Actually even Marty can do both stuff. Mostly he uses exotic scales and plays out of the box, but sometimes even he utilizes regular pentatonic and other scales, but only for a lick or a very brief moment. This can be seen especially in CTE and Youthanasia albums. But you are correct, Dave and Marty did compliment each other with two totally different style overall.
Video reminds me of "Tornado of Souls".
@@rudimentaer4830 the backing track is basically Tornado of Souls but with less chug. Chords and rhythm are almost identical though. At least to my ear
The solo duel in the song Victory perfectly shows this
I preferred the unique note choice of the first one, but the style of playing on the second one if that makes sense.
Fax
Yeppers
Makes perfect sense
Dude this was definitely a jam! I would like to hear more of the first solo!!
The first one, one of the most creative I've ever seen, got the feels on that one. DAMN.
The cliche solo is just a good classic solo. Comforting, familiar but well done. The creative one is unique and different but may only appeal to hardcore guitarists. Both were great with but just different flavors.
So true, I would have not liked it before getting into prog stuff. lol
@@ther701 I had to listen to it like 3 times before I started to appreciate it haha
Nicely put!! The cliche version is “easier” to listen to. But I personally prefer the first one because if it’s unique structure. I like something more if it doesn’t feel so familiar. Either way, amazing guitar playing and both beautifully written
@@ryanrobinson4072 totally agree there! If you dissect the two, the cliche solo won't take too long but the unique one will take hours.
I disagree personally, I found the creative one comforting but the cliché one has acceptable elements too
The song needs two solos in this case. Both were awesome! I embrace straying away from tonality and exploring the space.
Yup. Needs twin solos with their own personalities.
The slides at the end of the creative solo was out of this world
Bradley’s raw power gets me chuffed 🤌🫴✨ SWEEEPMAAAAAAN
As a musician myself, I wouldn't say that making a solo using just 1 tonality is bad, nor does it take no creativity. I think each tonality has its unique vibe, and sometimes I like how it feels when a song doesn't change its vibe.
What is tonality? And what does it mean to change tonality?
@@bernieorbust6104 Since the progression only used power chords, it gives the soloist freedom to decide the quality of the chords. The chords are B5 G5 A5 that on their own imply basic B minor progression (Bm G A). But since they are power chords, you could get more creative with the notes you add on top. In this example, the more "creative" solo treated the B chord as a major chord, so it has this interesting alternating between major and minor sound (well, there were other things happening in it than just that, but this gives you an idea of what it means). The 2nd solo stayed in B minor all the time.
Basically, the 1st solo is about approaching each chord individually and thinking about what kind of "exotic" stuff you can emphasize over each chord. The 2nd solo is about treating the progression as a "whole" - it's a basic B minor progression, so playing B minor scale over all of it sounds good.
"Tonality" is basically the same thing as key/mode. But in this case, "changing tonality" refers to basically approaching each chord as a separate "tonality" (in other words, playing different scales over different chords). The actual key of the song doesn't change - the progression is still in B minor. But each chord is still treated as a separate scale. (And as I said, since they are power chords, this gives you a lot of different options, because you can decide whether the chords are minor or major, and you can also decide very freely what other notes you are going to add over the chords. If the chords contained more notes, you would have less possibilities. Power chords only have 2 notes, so you can pretty freely choose the 5 other notes in your scale. But a 7th chord has 4 notes, so your scale is only lacking 3 notes. In other words, the simpler the harmony, the more potential choices you have.)
@@MaggaraMarine
Dear God, what a essay, man just asked what is tonality, it's just using different keys during a solo, not playing just in one, tonality = key
@@CarpeDiem23 Okay, but understanding when you can do that is pretty important, right? (And understanding what "changing key" actually means would also be pretty important, right?) If the chords weren't power chords, it would limit your potential note choice a lot more. Why you can take these two approaches over this specific progression is because you can interpret the chord qualities in many different ways.
BTW, I don't believe you can actually change keys over this progression. The progression is in B minor, regardless of what you play over it. You can play different scales over it, but "changing keys" means something more fundamental than just playing a different collection of notes (it means an actual shift in tonal center, which I'm not hearing in this case). This is also why I think the last paragraph was necessary. And if you don't want to read my "essays" (BTW, wouldn't call it an essay), no one's forcing you to do that. But I assume the person who asked the question was interested in this stuff. If they had a problem with my answer, they would have pointed it out.
@@MaggaraMarine Some people can't read more than 2 lines, thank you for your fantastic essay. Great comment.
I dont know music theory at all, so far I have been just playing around with tabs/scales/chords.
Based on what you said, so far I understand that during the solo he can "choose" notes of a scale that represent each note of the progression?
Bm G A
So when he plays the B5 chord on the rythm, he can play around the Bm scale while the chord being played and it will sound good? Then switch to the G major scale when the G5 chord is being played?
This while using the B as first and last note of a lick (Is that how you keep a tonal center btw?)
When mom says you need to help hang up the Christmas lights but you want to practice guitar.
Hahahaha
The opening riff of the first one was excellent.
"Which one do you prefer?"
Yes.
Forget which one is better, let's focus on this mans incredible guitar playing
My preference is the "creative" solo to test the boundaries of what can be done musically and push different concepts of what is acceptable in music.
Poetic way to say it’s drunk Jazz with gain...
@@andreypolyakov1593 🤣 True dat!
nah sick riffs from the 80's is all I can get hard too. LICH KING
@@andreypolyakov1593 knowing your profile name sounds like a soviet general I'll come across in a Command & Conquer campaign, that joke was funny man. Kudos
First half of the first one reminded of a Scar Symmetry solo. Good stuff, combine that with the second half of the second one and you've got magic.
Both were amazing! Keep it up!
The creative one is memorable while being great, the other one is only great.
Everyone right after creative solo:
no way cliché solo can beat this
Cliché solo: hold my beer
Everyone's focused on the solo, meanwhile me looking at those cool lights
when you go to make fun, but start having fun
So Marty Friedman vs Kirk Hammet
No way. More like Friedman vs Mustaine bc no way Kirk Hammett could pull off playing either of these 2 solos.
I mean c'mon..
Kirk Hammett is just wrong for anything past the "intermediate" level of technique he has not needed to bother with in Metallica.
He can't even bother with working on that nervous panicked 'vibrato ' that is forever going to keep him out of being taken seriously as a guitarist despite a very successful career in Metallica.
Mustaine and Friedman deserve more respect.
Leave Hammett down at the intermediate class . He can keep Kerry King company there
@@keefbartooow2828Slayer destroys Metallica , Kerry King is up there , Megadeth can’t touch Slayer either. Totally different vibe and attitude Slayers first 5 albums just different , it’s own category . I listen to Megadeth and Metallica way more then Slayer, Slayer hits differently , not for everyday
I like the first one! Nice lights on the the fretboard
Both were absolute 🔥
incredible guitar playing, this is just amazing
Alternative title of this video: "Marty Friedman solos vs Kirk Hammett solos" hahaha.
Both sounded great! Loved the note that you rested on at 0:05 in the creative solo!
Yeah,the first one sounds like Tornado of souls
"You play in one key? What are u a casul? Gtfo of here"
Prog dudes probably.
*claps in 7/4*
@@zubrhero5270 lol
@@zubrhero5270 7/4 is overused, I only clap in 13/2
The creative just grabs my interest so much more.
Where's the full song? This needs to be a full song.
and then people like me who cant tell the difference 😎
i feel ur pain
@@redacted-0671 du pain
Both excellent, both too short. Make us a 30 minute solo so I don't have to hit the replay so often
That creative solo is tasty man. Nice job
The convination would be extremly good
I LIKE THE SOLO
@@BradleyHallGuitar marvelous
Creative all the way for this demonstration. More pleasing to the ear; keeps ya guessing on the 1st listen. Cliche is predictable, but fun to do for an amateur musician or random improv class assignments
A nice mix of both. Sounds great.
The kirk hammett lick at the end
I like the one where you go waaaowaaa nuenenoeneioenoei whop paprararananana eaaao
the 'creative' solo was just as filled with cliches as the cliched solo. puting a few strange notes in an otherwise standard progression is so cliched now that it sounds just like everything else.
That first 16 beats from the first solo blow my mind every time. Pure musicianship here.
this functions great as 1 solo with 2 parts
Why not both? This is why bands like Iron Maiden are so good, they have Adrian and Dave putting it on the ground and then comes Janick, the underrated one, and just does crazy shit all over. And we drink to that. Both types of guitarists are awesome
Iron maiden blows
@@jackinsane6928 i'd much rather listen to Iron Maiden than your music, and i'm not even an Iron Maiden fan but it still sounds a lot better than listening to some nobody i've never heard of. At least i've heard of Iron Maiden. You've had 30 years and you're still not famous. No name, no brand, no record label, nothing.
Janick is super sloppy most of the time. Adrian IMO is the best because its not just 100km/h random notes. He actually puts a lot more thought into the structure, and note selection too.
The artistry is in combining the two. Anyone can play something unique. Just play random notes on the guitar neck. To be interesting, you need to draw from the existing genre's rules and expectations, and modify them to make something that builds on the musical tradition of a genre.
You really can't go wrong with either.
Both are great. I really like the 2nd and 3rd sections of the creative solo. The sweeps and ending of the cliche one is pretty cool.
As someone who has absolutely no concept of standard licks and phrases, they both sound like guitar solos
Yo those lights could be so useful for learning scales
“Creative” solo is literally just some improv lick Mustaine would make up 😂
The pinky just sitting there like 🧍
Both have elements that together melt faces
Dude honestly I didn't read anything until you had finished and even then I still didn't even care which was which. This whole solo sounds dope.
Both sound great Bro!
The first solo. That shit was bitchin’!
Both were sick af.
It's like that one regular show scene with the 2 styles of music competing but they sound best together
They were both good, but that lick at the end of the creative solo was the best part
creative, it's always good to hear something fresh and different
I love them both so that's why I usually try do both when play
Both sound amazing
Glad to see you doing it bro. Do it dude. Do it hard...
I'm glad you mentioned the difference because with these examples would've been hard to tell
Both actually sounded awesome nc work brad
I just play what i FEEL,feels right at the time,and when it comes to playing it again i interpret it differently lol
Both entirely badass!
The beginning of the creative solo was so Marty Friedman-ish
Wait is from a song or did u just come up with it? I absolutely love it! I need to hear more
A mix of both, would be cool, so it stands out from other groups
Both fused together.....cliche and creative are both important
Both awesome. I enjoyed the first one a bunch. But the cliche jawn did it for me, it totally got me
Combination of both, love throwing in weird licks into a traditional metal solo
I can see them both being combined into an even better solo
Both sound great!!
May I have both sir?!
My ears were rocked by both - awesome !!
Both are good. Should combine both into a track.
The 'cliche' solo turned out to be the more memorable one!
Honestly they both sound just fine
Both are great in their own way. An average listener won't care about it too much. Sometimes the real power is in ability to convey more with less. I personally love when things start fairly simple with a catchy theme and progress to a more complex playing. Not overly abstract but melodic is what gets me going at least.
Ngl, thee cliche solo was better than I was expecting
The first thing in my mind that shares balance between the two types is Dimebag
well im a tech death fan boy so ofc the sweeping has me blushing
Cliche is like the definition of when expectations meet reality, it can be really satisfying actually.
those were both fucking killer.
Both are great and would fit the right song when you feel it.
Creativity will always stand out from the rest.
Both are badass though
Bro shredding on a Christmas tree
If you made me choose one over the other, I'd say the second. Both were awesome, but the sweeps got me. A hybrid would be epic
I’d never heard you play. With that kind of skill you can talk all the shit you want!
I like them both, they both have their own uses, but the first would definitely stand out to me
Both are great and compliment each other quite nicely 🍻