With today’s prices, you could reload a box of 6.5 Creedmoor ammo to match Precision Hunter for $34.99 even if you didn’t sell the brass after the first firing. The factory costs $48. Handloading instead of reloading can indeed make sense for some people. Plus, case prep is about 70% of the time it takes to load.
Creedmore's been on sale a LOT lately to be fair. Even Norma Match, not on sale is $36.99 and Hornady Match is about the same. Very true for loads of calibers though!
I kept asking myself - what in the world does he do with the brass after he shoots it???? Glad to see you recoup some of your money. Your loading process is very simple and to the point. I like that approach.
I was avoiding reloading because of the process…but using new brass everytime has me reconsidering reloading again. Thanks for the tip……and thanks for ignoring monetization because fresh tutorial videos are getting harder to find
I'm new to the precision world but perhaps check out options from "World's Finest Trimmer". It's a trimmer you chuck into a drill. I would find reloading relaxing especially in small batches & sometimes splitting the processes on different days.
Yes! finally someone doing what I do… I went down that rabbit hole and found out it doesn’t matter, I load it up and shoot. As a hunter and a wannabe precision shooter it’s my 1st and 2nd shot that counts at 400yards, thx for the video
I can't fault you on your process. Lapua brass is amazing and extremely consistent and since you dont reuse your cases it seems totally legit how you do things. Now me personally... I do reuse cases... new brass I dont resize for the first firing, i just load a minimum load with bulk bullets because I need to fireform them a couple of times. After that...then I do all my neck trimming etc to make them all exactly the same. I use mostly Lee dies, I have 2 Lee single stage presses (on large for loading 338LM), 2 Lee progressive presses for bulk 223 and the other for bulk 9mm. I use Hornady comparator gauges for checking shoulder bump and base to ogive...all pretty inexpensive stuff and I get sub-moa groups out of all my rifles.
Great vid, I like your reasoning and processes. Thanks for the inspiration to get my Matchmaster out of the box. I really appreciate taking time to show some of your setup. I’m new to the sport and your channel with lots to learn.
I love the Zero Press. I buy alot of things from Area 419, they are expensive but very nice quality. I have mine set up for 9mm, 223, 300blkout, and 6.5 CM. Eric Cortina has taught me a tremendous amount on reloading. I like your process, simple. I'm told you get better precision/consistency with once fired brass from your rifle. I also go lower on the charge to make a couple reloads from each brass. Merry Christmas !
I agree with that lower node. I have always found a very tight and accurate rounds somewhere between 0.5 and 1 grain below max. Once thats set, I adjust seating depth. Sometimes I find a difference sometimes none. Im happy with 10 rounds in a 3/4 circle off a sand bag. At that point I trust my rounds.
Yep. Good video. I like to use Factory brass without sizing also because it seems to fit the chamber of my rifle a little tighter. It's pretty accurate on the first firing also.
The only thing I'd add to your process, which does take time, is to uniform the necks out of the box. As you know, some will have dents. I just run them up in a neck size bushing die and squeeze them 0.003 tighter, then over a turn mandrel that expands them to 0.002 less than a loaded round.
When I load cartridges for hunting, like you I use and prefer virgin brass. Lapua for my 7-08 and Petersen for my .280AI. Enjoyed video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
I might not agree with your process, but I 100% agree with your reasoning. Pay attention to the stuff that makes a difference. What matters is the results. Superfluous work that makes no difference is a waste of time.
Depending on caliber brass & bullets are hard to get. 140gn Berger hybrid 6.5cm are non existent and I had to pay too much for my last batch of Lapua brass. But I'm one of those that enjoys the processing of fired brass. T each his own. There is no BEST way. Thanks for sharing.
I trust lapua brass. Never heard anything bad about them. I have seen consistency in case length. Only thing I do is just measure case length before I prime just make sure nothing is too long.
Very smart! For saving time and still being in control of your loads. I'm retired now, so I have the time I actually enjoy the brass prep process. Makes me feel highly skilled and important I guess.. LOL thanks for all your vids. Got to get me one of those arbor presses!!!
I keep wondering to myself about everything I would need to start handloading 5.56 and .30-06, and I really want to go with the arbor press route. It seems to be the most compact and precise option, even if it isn't the fastest. The hang-up I usually have is in brass prep (chamfer & deburr the neck, deburr flashhole, check primer pocket), and sizing of brass using an arbor press. Basically, I only want to cry once when it comes to setting things up.
I hear you. Brass prep sucks if you don't enjoy it. Some of the processes are necessary for precision reloaded ammo, but many of the processes are not. The problem is that if you go watch vids of a reloading channel like anything from the F-Class guys, you will assume you have to have all the same expensive gear and do everything they do. That's just not the case. Quality precision ammo can be reloaded a lot simpler and cheaper.
Hey Joe something you probably already know but I'll share it anyway because I saw it on impact shooting TH-cam channel. If you pull the seating stem out you can drop the bullet down in that hole and it lines the bullet up perfectly. Put the stem back in and hoila bullet is seated.
Because your auto-scale is slow and you value time, I'd suggest that you prime and seat while the scale is running. That's what I do. Merry Christmas Joel!
Also, my funel is mounted on a support, so don't need to fuss with it. I hold the brass with my left hand all the time and prime, throw powder and seat with my right hand. This way I also get rid of all my brass tray
You do you, boo. I'm just kinda astonished that you're able to keep yourself stocked with new brass. Lapua basically stopped importing brass for a while. It took me months to get 6.5 Grendel Lapua brass without paying 40% over retail on the auction websites.
Don't apologize for your process! Thank you for taking the time to share it. Any critics can go jump! Do have a questions - with the Primal Rights, the Zero, etc. - it obviously seems that having the best precision equipment is your MO. Why the RCBS chargemaster over an Auto-Trickler? - I know there is about $400 difference but that doesn't seem like it would be too much of a factor. I am asking because I am very new at this and trying to invest in the best/right equipment but also don't want to spend $1,000 if there is a $500 option that produces the same results. I did have a chargemaster (the $450 version) and I returned it and went with the AutoTrickler V4. Another reason I ask is because my setup is almost identical to yours with the exception of the trickler (Zero, primal rights, etc). I can attest to the fact that the AutoTrickler can be tuned to be much faster than the ChargeMaster ($450 version). Not sure about the Supreme. And again, same as you, my time is ultra valuable to me. Just curious - at this point I probably won't go through the trouble of switching just to save $400 - too aggravating and time consuming and the AutoTrickler is pretty darn cool. Unless there is a significant time savings or accuracy increase in addition to the $400. Thanks for sharing your process!!
Thanks, great comment. I’m not too concerned with the powder thrower being fast. More concerned with accuracy. To that end, I haven’t seen a difference in “down range accuracy” between these quality throwers. Sometimes a less expensive tool does do just as good a job as the more expensive tool.
No negative comment brother. But finding new brass is a chore these days. Hope to see a video when you shoot the new bullets. Interested in your opinion on the bullet change.
I think you like nice things. Nothing wrong with that. Hell my reloading equipment is older than dirt and my results are excellent. To each his own. Merry Christmas.
Great video and I agree, brass processing sucks! I have found that even while getting excellent results out of the box with Lapua and Peterson brass, my results on that second firing after I do a 2 thou shoulder bump full length sizing are a little better. Ive invested in tools to streamline the process heavily though. Lee APP to decap, 500 pieces done in 10 minutes. Annealeez annealer, set them up and let it do its thing. Full length resize on my Mec single to bump shoulders 2 thou with no expander ball. SSTL tumble for an hour. Mandrel size the necks. Trim in the Giraud. Seat primers with RCBS bench primer. Throw powder with AutoTrickler. Seat bullets on the Mec. All the prep work sucks, but the results on the paper speak for themselves, so I force myself to do it. The layout in tools I have is substantial in cost, but I own these tools for life now.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork IDOD neck turner comes to my mind immediately as one of those very cool tools I can never justify owning. Even the AMP would really be a stretch for me even though I can admit openly its more precise than flame annealing. Now my AutoTrickler, while it was a spend for sure, has yielded real results on the chronograph and more importantly, the target. I bought a Shotmarker as well, and while load testing at a 100, its simply OK, at 500-1000 its a hell of alot of fun, so that was worth it.
Once you dial it in using the described process, you could consider doing a primer seating depth test as icing on the cake. You got that CPS and it takes the same time as a seating depth test. Just a thought. Liked the video and Merry Christmas!
I built a Friend/Customer a 6mm XC F-Class rifle Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, McMillian Tooley stock etc. nice rifle shot lights out with new brass and no sorting no weighing etc. so what did he do. He shot new brass everytime. F-Class shooters are superstitious if nothing else, so if you think something works then keep doing it or your mind will beat you up over it. I like to shoot F-Class and Benchrest and Fullbore and Military Matches and reload because I have to not because I like to. Some people would rather reload than shoot. I'm not that guy. There is something to be said for using new brass and being one and done. At least your primer pockets are clean and tight everytime.
I have Lapua brass and I can tell you that necks are dented in 10% of the brass I get from them. I do resize before I load make sure those necks are nice and round.
Few points, only thing I do to new lapua brass is expand the necks, I like .002 neck tension. Secondly, trust that zero press, I get no more than .002 variances loading 100 rds at a time with matchmasterdies. Thirdly, reload your damn brass, get a Henderson precision trimmer and you're off to the races! Good video, I love my matchmaster and zero and matchmaster combo! Good shit.
I just got into PRS and started with a 6GT because of Your video earlier you did with George and being able to buy it factory but once this season is over and I shoot through my 1000rds of gt I’m gonna switch to dasher. I picked up a RCBS starter kit so hopefully have it put together here soon.
Thanks for sharing your process. The K&M setup you used for seating the projectile, my imagination went to thinking, did they higher tech up bench drill variation the "Lee Hand Loader" :-) I was picturing that in the K&M press.
To anyone saying you must size sort and trim new factory brass, for the first firing, especially lapua, that's about the same as saying you must size sort and trim factory ammo
Lapua brass is getting hard to find. It might be worth the extra steps in the future. I like the idea of once fire and sell. Thanks for all your great videos!
I'm hooked/subscribed with you since the wind's clip. Starting to absorb your skills when I can. Thanks for teaching the techniques. Wishing one day you have the class/clips from A to Z how to be good at med/long range shooting. Thanks.
Hey man, if anything I feel like an idiot for not thinking of your once-fired sale! I'm thinking of all the valuable time I'll save doing that. But every time I buy a new box of brass, regardless of the company, I will attempt to size one of them. What I have found is they're all minimum spec every time. Whether it's Lapua, Alpha, Peterson, or Norma, My sizing die won't even touch any of those brands, new in the box. Thanks for the video. I picked up some very useful info!
I wouldn't stand directly over the case as you load a primer into the case, especially without eye pro on. Even though it's only happened once, I have had a primer go off as I was seating it into a case.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I sit and resize and reprise with the same stroke, not looking straight down into the mouth of the round. No glasses either! Safety first!!!
Craziest thing I ever heard the point of reloading is to fire form the brass to your chamber dimensions for the best results. Every time you reload new bras its way on their size laziness has no boundaries.
Pretty sure the point of reloading is doing it yourself for any one or many number of reasons. With modern process controls specs are getting tighter and tighter and the difference between one chamber to the next vs. SAAMI specs less and less.
It don't matter what people think about how you choose to reload. That's your business. One thing I will mention though which, is not specific to you alone but, is the way all Americans I've ever heard use the phrase ...."I COULD care less". I've no idea why only Americans get this phrase so totally ass about but, you all seem to. What you really mean to say is that....."You COULDN'T care less"
I’ve always questioned “once fired brass”. I just consider it previously fired brass. How do we know it has only fired once and not loaded 3-4 times before getting to me? Personally I just buy new brass or buy loaded ammo and reclaim the brass after firing. I pickup range brass from time to time and am amazed at how much Starline brass I find. I can’t imagine buying Starline brass new, loading it and just leaving it at the range after firing.
Mine is once fired because I fired it. lol I explained this in the video. I’d never just pick up brass at the range and use it for anything when it comes to precision. Thanks for watching.
I like your videos and appreciate the time you spend on them. I would love to chat with you as I have a process that would save you a bunch of time with your current set-up. Would you entertain a change? Why do you have a Zero press if you don’t resize?
Lapua sells 6mm dasher brass now? Or are you fire forming 6mmBR brass? Or buying brass that someone has hydro formed? I used to play with dasher and either fire formed or hydro formed lapua BR brass. Once formed exactly to my chamber from the first firing, the second firing of that brass was always the most precise even out to 1k yards (prone HP sling matches) easy X ring. My point, you might be missing out on the best part of your brass by not seeing how it performs after formed to your chamber.
Read the pinned comment please. Also I’m aware the brass often gives better results after a couple firings. I’m just not one to care about squeezing every tiny bit of precision out of reloads. I’m looking for consistency in SD and ES and a group that’s 1/2” or better.
Loading new brass is crazy. Not that I wouldn't if I could though. It's like seeing someone in a Bugatti. I'll admit that I'd rather have the new gadgets and make my loads perfect than to have easy reloading but that's more for the joy of it. Merry Christmas.
Love your attitude. I'm of the same age bracket and love shooting and reloading without the worries of getting that crazy tight groups. Totally enjoy spending my kids inheritance. Surprised to hear about the Charge Master as mine works like a charm. I hope this doesn't make it on your negative Christmas list so I won't "Flame" you. BTW, what animal is the 6 Dasher good for? I am always looking for another rifle round.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Most people use the 6 Dasher for competition only, but it's just a wildcat version of a .243 - so anything you could hunt that with. Deer on down in my opinion.
Thank you for sharing. My process is just about identical except I use an RCBS Summit Press. Now I am that guy that sometimes just enjoys the complete process with used brass also. Something about completing the entire go at it, though I only get that time about 2 to 3 times a year and try to make the most of it go at it for hours at a time not knowing when I will get another chance. We all know you are a rifle shooter but cmon take us through that pistol process I know you have a progressive press hiding some place. You and the family have a Merry Christmas.
Everyone's process is different. What works for others doesn't work for you and reverse. I only buy hard to obtain brass like 7.62x25 Tokarev, 9mm Makarov , 7.5 Swiss. Everything else is brass I shot from factory ammo or range brass. Unlike you, the brass prep of depriming, cleaning, resizing, etc is enjoyable to me as I have the time.
Merry Christmas. You do you. If it makes you happy. But I gotta wonder…Are you punking us? I’ll say you’re missing out doing what you do, because having brass that is perfect for your chamber through fire forming. How are you shooting Dasher without fire-forming? Is it hydro-formed and you forgot to mention it? Hydro-forming is nice, but that usually isn’t perfect either.
When did Lapua start selling factory 6mm dasher brass? I assume you mean you buy it hydroformed or something along those lines. Merry Christmas man. God bless you and your family.
I'm kind of surprised you own the most expensive single stage press on the market, yet all you needed was your arbor press to seat bullets if you always use new brass?
I personally haven’t compared them to each other. I have used both separately though. They both produced decent results. I think you could choose either one and be happy.
I think you’re missing two important steps….. before priming you should at least run a mandrel through the neck since often times it’s out of round in shipping and you should chamfer the neck before bullet seating
Wow that's crazy I dont really know how to respond to that especially considering you have an extremely expensive turret press on your bench. I'm polar opposite I actually fire form all my new brass before I even start with load development or before I'll use that brass for my final handloads. I get time is precious but if that's the only effort I was willing to put into reloading I don't know if I'd even bother thats just me but to each their own if it works for you it works for you... you could alway hire an assistant like Eric did then you wouldnt have to do anything but shoot!!! LOL
What do you do when new brass just isn't available? Also, selling something to me just seems like much more of a hassle than just collecting a bunch and then spending a couple of hours prepping it. But that's just me. Merry Christmas
I shoot factory ammo. Not Dasher, but I’ll switch my barrel to whatever short action caliber I can find at the time. Also, I do know how to reload, I just choose this method for speed and convenience.
Joel, nothing wrong with your process, to each their own, I have been reloading since 1982 and still use the same single-stage press, with better components nowadays, but I enjoy the total reloading process, brass prep, cleaning, trimming, priming , loading again and again, just a little OCD ................... but that works for me........... Thanks for sharing
For me if I hit where I'm aiming that's good enough for me , never had a Chrono until two years ago and that's so I could see what my rifle was doing when loading oddball rounds in it for plinking , I use brass until it cracks, I should invest in an annealing setup.
There is a mindset out there that doesn't even clean the brass. They will de-prime, anneal, , reprime and go again without all the messy cleaning. On another note, that RCBS needs a better cup. The short sidewalls are allowing power kernels to bounce surprisingly much.
Appreciate the video. My only flame is, are you really reloading if you're always using new brass? Wouldn't you just be a" Loader" ? Seems the name I'mplies it's been shot. Either way, I'm just having fun and not being serious. Thanks for sharing, and I wish you and your family a happy holiday and a great new year.
Man I get your point buying new but my best ammo always came after the 3rd firing. Why would you leave so much on the table. Might as well use cheaper brass. Almost defeats the purpose of a custom gun with a tighter or min chamber.
I tell you what if I could afford to do it exactly like you I would! I understand recovering a good bit on the brass but I'm in the bottom rung financially. Very much enjoyed the video thank you for sharing, God bless and happy holidays!
My Mistake: I forgot to mention that I buy this 6BR brass hydroformed. Also, I should have been wearing eye pro. Usually do, just forgot.
I came to flame you on this but I see you already clarified... boo 😆
What you mean, "buy this 6BR brass hydroformed"? I didn't notice anything about this on the Lapua website.
@@Rico11b yes, I buy it already hydroformed.
Merry Christmas
Thanks Erik. You too.
Nothing has ever made me more confident I should try reloading. Thank you for keeping it simple and attainable, but also precise!
Thanks for watching
With today’s prices, you could reload a box of 6.5 Creedmoor ammo to match Precision Hunter for $34.99 even if you didn’t sell the brass after the first firing. The factory costs $48.
Handloading instead of reloading can indeed make sense for some people. Plus, case prep is about 70% of the time it takes to load.
Merry Christmas sir! Thanks for watching.
Creedmore's been on sale a LOT lately to be fair. Even Norma Match, not on sale is $36.99 and Hornady Match is about the same.
Very true for loads of calibers though!
I kept asking myself - what in the world does he do with the brass after he shoots it???? Glad to see you recoup some of your money. Your loading process is very simple and to the point. I like that approach.
Panhandle Precision has a great series on his process.
Yes, him too. 👍
I love panhandle precision
I was avoiding reloading because of the process…but using new brass everytime has me reconsidering reloading again. Thanks for the tip……and thanks for ignoring monetization because fresh tutorial videos are getting harder to find
It’s definitely a way to get better ammo faster. Slightly higher cost though. Still cheaper than factory ammo.
Don’t worry about the money and just be yourself and the money will come with time!
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork with 300 Blackout subsonic going for over $2 a round and impose to find, it’s definitely worth my time
I'm new to the precision world but perhaps check out options from "World's Finest Trimmer". It's a trimmer you chuck into a drill. I would find reloading relaxing especially in small batches & sometimes splitting the processes on different days.
Yes! finally someone doing what I do… I went down that rabbit hole and found out it doesn’t matter, I load it up and shoot. As a hunter and a wannabe precision shooter it’s my 1st and 2nd shot that counts at 400yards, thx for the video
Thanks for watching!
Johnny’s Reloading Bench is the go to channel for reloading. IMHO.
Yeah I've been watching him for years he's one of the best on TH-cam when it comes to reloading!!
Yes he’s a good one too.
For general reloading maybe, for precision reloading, no...
I can't fault you on your process. Lapua brass is amazing and extremely consistent and since you dont reuse your cases it seems totally legit how you do things. Now me personally... I do reuse cases... new brass I dont resize for the first firing, i just load a minimum load with bulk bullets because I need to fireform them a couple of times. After that...then I do all my neck trimming etc to make them all exactly the same. I use mostly Lee dies, I have 2 Lee single stage presses (on large for loading 338LM), 2 Lee progressive presses for bulk 223 and the other for bulk 9mm. I use Hornady comparator gauges for checking shoulder bump and base to ogive...all pretty inexpensive stuff and I get sub-moa groups out of all my rifles.
Cool. Thanks for watching.
Great vid, I like your reasoning and processes. Thanks for the inspiration to get my Matchmaster out of the box. I really appreciate taking time to show some of your setup. I’m new to the sport and your channel with lots to learn.
Glad it was helpful!
I love the Zero Press. I buy alot of things from Area 419, they are expensive but very nice quality. I have mine set up for 9mm, 223, 300blkout, and 6.5 CM. Eric Cortina has taught me a tremendous amount on reloading. I like your process, simple. I'm told you get better precision/consistency with once fired brass from your rifle. I also go lower on the charge to make a couple reloads from each brass. Merry Christmas !
Merry Christmas!
I agree with that lower node. I have always found a very tight and accurate rounds somewhere between 0.5 and 1 grain below max.
Once thats set, I adjust seating depth. Sometimes I find a difference sometimes none. Im happy with 10 rounds in a 3/4 circle off a sand bag. At that point I trust my rounds.
Yep agree. People will miss because of wind or unstable positions or bad fundamentals before the ammo causes problems.
Yep. Good video. I like to use Factory brass without sizing also because it seems to fit the chamber of my rifle a little tighter. It's pretty accurate on the first firing also.
The only thing I'd add to your process, which does take time, is to uniform the necks out of the box. As you know, some will have dents. I just run them up in a neck size bushing die and squeeze them 0.003 tighter, then over a turn mandrel that expands them to 0.002 less than a loaded round.
I actually do that now. Thanks.
When I load cartridges for hunting, like you I use and prefer virgin brass. Lapua for my 7-08 and Petersen for my .280AI. Enjoyed video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thank you I have been wanting to reload (hand load) for a few years and I think you have the right idea about the new brass. Have a Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas sir.
I might not agree with your process, but I 100% agree with your reasoning. Pay attention to the stuff that makes a difference. What matters is the results. Superfluous work that makes no difference is a waste of time.
Cool. Thanks for watching!
Your Video is a Christmas gift.
Haha.
Merry Christmas 🎄
Depending on caliber brass & bullets are hard to get. 140gn Berger hybrid 6.5cm are non existent and I had to pay too much for my last batch of Lapua brass. But I'm one of those that enjoys the processing of fired brass. T each his own. There is no BEST way. Thanks for sharing.
I trust lapua brass. Never heard anything bad about them. I have seen consistency in case length. Only thing I do is just measure case length before I prime just make sure nothing is too long.
Very smart! For saving time and still being in control of your loads. I'm retired now, so I have the time I actually enjoy the brass prep process. Makes me feel highly skilled and important I guess.. LOL thanks for all your vids. Got to get me one of those arbor presses!!!
That’s for watching sir!
Your process makes sense. Good channel.
Much appreciated! Thanks.
My new brass process is almost identical. I add the step of a K&M .002 neck tension mandrel before throwing powder and seating bullet.
I keep wondering to myself about everything I would need to start handloading 5.56 and .30-06, and I really want to go with the arbor press route. It seems to be the most compact and precise option, even if it isn't the fastest. The hang-up I usually have is in brass prep (chamfer & deburr the neck, deburr flashhole, check primer pocket), and sizing of brass using an arbor press. Basically, I only want to cry once when it comes to setting things up.
I hear you. Brass prep sucks if you don't enjoy it. Some of the processes are necessary for precision reloaded ammo, but many of the processes are not. The problem is that if you go watch vids of a reloading channel like anything from the F-Class guys, you will assume you have to have all the same expensive gear and do everything they do. That's just not the case. Quality precision ammo can be reloaded a lot simpler and cheaper.
Hey Joe something you probably already know but I'll share it anyway because I saw it on impact shooting TH-cam channel. If you pull the seating stem out you can drop the bullet down in that hole and it lines the bullet up perfectly. Put the stem back in and hoila bullet is seated.
Thanks. 👍
I absolutely love this. Once-fired brass is so easy to sell...
cool. thanks for watching.
Because your auto-scale is slow and you value time, I'd suggest that you prime and seat while the scale is running. That's what I do. Merry Christmas Joel!
Also, my funel is mounted on a support, so don't need to fuss with it.
I hold the brass with my left hand all the time and prime, throw powder and seat with my right hand.
This way I also get rid of all my brass tray
Thanks. 👍
Merry Christmas.
You do you, boo.
I'm just kinda astonished that you're able to keep yourself stocked with new brass. Lapua basically stopped importing brass for a while. It took me months to get 6.5 Grendel Lapua brass without paying 40% over retail on the auction websites.
yeah Grendel is impossible to find.
Don't apologize for your process! Thank you for taking the time to share it. Any critics can go jump! Do have a questions - with the Primal Rights, the Zero, etc. - it obviously seems that having the best precision equipment is your MO. Why the RCBS chargemaster over an Auto-Trickler? - I know there is about $400 difference but that doesn't seem like it would be too much of a factor. I am asking because I am very new at this and trying to invest in the best/right equipment but also don't want to spend $1,000 if there is a $500 option that produces the same results. I did have a chargemaster (the $450 version) and I returned it and went with the AutoTrickler V4. Another reason I ask is because my setup is almost identical to yours with the exception of the trickler (Zero, primal rights, etc). I can attest to the fact that the AutoTrickler can be tuned to be much faster than the ChargeMaster ($450 version). Not sure about the Supreme. And again, same as you, my time is ultra valuable to me. Just curious - at this point I probably won't go through the trouble of switching just to save $400 - too aggravating and time consuming and the AutoTrickler is pretty darn cool. Unless there is a significant time savings or accuracy increase in addition to the $400. Thanks for sharing your process!!
Thanks, great comment.
I’m not too concerned with the powder thrower being fast. More concerned with accuracy. To that end, I haven’t seen a difference in “down range accuracy” between these quality throwers. Sometimes a less expensive tool does do just as good a job as the more expensive tool.
No negative comment brother. But finding new brass is a chore these days. Hope to see a video when you shoot the new bullets. Interested in your opinion on the bullet change.
I think you like nice things. Nothing wrong with that. Hell my reloading equipment is older than dirt and my results are excellent. To each his own. Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas
Great video and I agree, brass processing sucks!
I have found that even while getting excellent results out of the box with Lapua and Peterson brass, my results on that second firing after I do a 2 thou shoulder bump full length sizing are a little better. Ive invested in tools to streamline the process heavily though. Lee APP to decap, 500 pieces done in 10 minutes. Annealeez annealer, set them up and let it do its thing. Full length resize on my Mec single to bump shoulders 2 thou with no expander ball. SSTL tumble for an hour. Mandrel size the necks. Trim in the Giraud. Seat primers with RCBS bench primer. Throw powder with AutoTrickler. Seat bullets on the Mec. All the prep work sucks, but the results on the paper speak for themselves, so I force myself to do it. The layout in tools I have is substantial in cost, but I own these tools for life now.
All the toys are just so freaking expensive. Honestly think I would just decide to run factory ammo before I did that.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork IDOD neck turner comes to my mind immediately as one of those very cool tools I can never justify owning. Even the AMP would really be a stretch for me even though I can admit openly its more precise than flame annealing. Now my AutoTrickler, while it was a spend for sure, has yielded real results on the chronograph and more importantly, the target. I bought a Shotmarker as well, and while load testing at a 100, its simply OK, at 500-1000 its a hell of alot of fun, so that was worth it.
You, Sab Millard and Erik Cortina are the coolest guys!)
Very much appreciated. I don’t think I belong in that list, but thank you.
Good video. I agree no need to dive into the weeds.
Once you dial it in using the described process, you could consider doing a primer seating depth test as icing on the cake. You got that CPS and it takes the same time as a seating depth test. Just a thought. Liked the video and Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!🎄
I built a Friend/Customer a 6mm XC F-Class rifle Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, McMillian Tooley stock etc. nice rifle shot lights out with new brass and no sorting no weighing etc. so what did he do. He shot new brass everytime. F-Class shooters are superstitious if nothing else, so if you think something works then keep doing it or your mind will beat you up over it. I like to shoot F-Class and Benchrest and Fullbore and Military Matches and reload because I have to not because I like to. Some people would rather reload than shoot. I'm not that guy. There is something to be said for using new brass and being one and done. At least your primer pockets are clean and tight everytime.
Cool. Thanks for watching.
I have Lapua brass and I can tell you that necks are dented in 10% of the brass I get from them. I do resize before I load make sure those necks are nice and round.
I just throw them through an expander mandrel
Few points, only thing I do to new lapua brass is expand the necks, I like .002 neck tension. Secondly, trust that zero press, I get no more than .002 variances loading 100 rds at a time with matchmasterdies. Thirdly, reload your damn brass, get a Henderson precision trimmer and you're off to the races! Good video, I love my matchmaster and zero and matchmaster combo! Good shit.
Thanks for watching!
I just got into PRS and started with a 6GT because of
Your video earlier you did with George and being able to buy it factory but once this season is over and I shoot through my 1000rds of gt I’m gonna switch to dasher. I picked up a RCBS starter kit so hopefully have it put together here soon.
Nice. Can't go wrong with either cartridge. Some folks have had issues getting dasher to feed consistently. It's usually a magazine issue.
Thanks for sharing your process.
The K&M setup you used for seating the projectile, my imagination went to thinking, did they higher tech up bench drill variation the "Lee Hand Loader" :-) I was picturing that in the K&M press.
Good for you that you have the means to only use new brass. Successful people doing successful things....
Very good video. Excellent explanations and demonstrations
Thanks!
So why the zero press if you don't resize, etc. since you only use new brass?
I use it for most other calibers. This video is for this caliber only.
Since Lapua doesn’t make dasher brass I’m curious if you hydroform since you mentioned you use new brass every time.
Correct. I buy it hydroformed. That would have been an important thing to mention in the video. LOL 🤦🏻♂️
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork all good thanks for the videos, at this point idk why lapua doesn’t make it…
That is a good idea buying new brass
cool thanks. it has worked well for me over the years. My time is just a lot more valuable to me.
After buy new brass I would check over all length once in awhile
To anyone saying you must size sort and trim new factory brass, for the first firing, especially lapua, that's about the same as saying you must size sort and trim factory ammo
Lapua brass is getting hard to find. It might be worth the extra steps in the future. I like the idea of once fire and sell. Thanks for all your great videos!
You might be right. Thanks for watching.
I'm hooked/subscribed with you since the wind's clip. Starting to absorb your skills when I can. Thanks for teaching the techniques. Wishing one day you have the class/clips from A to Z how to be good at med/long range shooting. Thanks.
Thanks!
Enjoy your videos - Thanks fer sharing.
Thanks.
Good video. Merry Christmas
Hey man, if anything I feel like an idiot for not thinking of your once-fired sale! I'm thinking of all the valuable time I'll save doing that. But every time I buy a new box of brass, regardless of the company, I will attempt to size one of them. What I have found is they're all minimum spec every time. Whether it's Lapua, Alpha, Peterson, or Norma, My sizing die won't even touch any of those brands, new in the box. Thanks for the video. I picked up some very useful info!
Cool, thanks for watching sir.
Good video Good Man
Did Lapua start making 6 Dasher, or are you buying it from a place that does hyroforming?
Hydroformed. Check pinned comment.
I wouldn't stand directly over the case as you load a primer into the case, especially without eye pro on. Even though it's only happened once, I have had a primer go off as I was seating it into a case.
You’re right. I should have been wearing eye pro.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work.
@@johnwallroff5918 thanks!
I was thinking the exact same thing. I sit and resize and reprise with the same stroke, not looking straight down into the mouth of the round. No glasses either! Safety first!!!
Craziest thing I ever heard the point of reloading is to fire form the brass to your chamber dimensions for the best results. Every time you reload new bras its way on their size laziness has no boundaries.
Pretty sure the point of reloading is doing it yourself for any one or many number of reasons. With modern process controls specs are getting tighter and tighter and the difference between one chamber to the next vs. SAAMI specs less and less.
It don't matter what people think about how you choose to reload. That's your business.
One thing I will mention though which, is not specific to you alone but, is the way all Americans I've ever heard use the phrase ...."I COULD care less". I've no idea why only Americans get this phrase so totally ass about but, you all seem to.
What you really mean to say is that....."You COULDN'T care less"
Definitely not stupid but informative video thanks👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
My only flaming comment is, get that force gauge, ur hand is not a calibrated or consistent machine. Sorting by seating force is valuable
I’ve always questioned “once fired brass”. I just consider it previously fired brass. How do we know it has only fired once and not loaded 3-4 times before getting to me? Personally I just buy new brass or buy loaded ammo and reclaim the brass after firing. I pickup range brass from time to time and am amazed at how much Starline brass I find. I can’t imagine buying Starline brass new, loading it and just leaving it at the range after firing.
Mine is once fired because I fired it. lol
I explained this in the video.
I’d never just pick up brass at the range and use it for anything when it comes to precision.
Thanks for watching.
Lapua doesn't make dasher brass. Do you use 6br brass? Do you get it hydroformed or what? You're missing a step to tell us.
Yes valid. I buy it hydroformed.
I like your videos and appreciate the time you spend on them. I would love to chat with you as I have a process that would save you a bunch of time with your current set-up. Would you entertain a change? Why do you have a Zero press if you don’t resize?
Lapua sells 6mm dasher brass now? Or are you fire forming 6mmBR brass? Or buying brass that someone has hydro formed?
I used to play with dasher and either fire formed or hydro formed lapua BR brass. Once formed exactly to my chamber from the first firing, the second firing of that brass was always the most precise even out to 1k yards (prone HP sling matches) easy X ring.
My point, you might be missing out on the best part of your brass by not seeing how it performs after formed to your chamber.
Read the pinned comment please.
Also I’m aware the brass often gives better results after a couple firings. I’m just not one to care about squeezing every tiny bit of precision out of reloads. I’m looking for consistency in SD and ES and a group that’s 1/2” or better.
I don’t see a pinned comment, sorry.
Was just curious about the questions I had for you in my first paragraph.
@@jima1325 The pinned comment says the brass comes hydroformed from the dealer. Lapua does not offer 6 dasher brass.
I need one of those
New brass everytime! I understand but wow, give me a shout when you want to sell that Zero press then :)
lol
I use it for other cartridges.
I like that business model for this hobby considering it seems everything for it costs a fare chunk of change.
Well when you fire a couple hundred, hit me up, always looking for brass
Do you ever reload 300 win magnums? 7mm rem magnums? Is so, I would be interested in your brass....
I do not.
Loading new brass is crazy. Not that I wouldn't if I could though. It's like seeing someone in a Bugatti.
I'll admit that I'd rather have the new gadgets and make my loads perfect than to have easy reloading but that's more for the joy of it.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas
That’s a freakin sweet shirt!
Thanks!
Love your attitude. I'm of the same age bracket and love shooting and reloading without the worries of getting that crazy tight groups. Totally enjoy spending my kids inheritance. Surprised to hear about the Charge Master as mine works like a charm. I hope this doesn't make it on your negative Christmas list so I won't "Flame" you. BTW, what animal is the 6 Dasher good for? I am always looking for another rifle round.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Most people use the 6 Dasher for competition only, but it's just a wildcat version of a .243 - so anything you could hunt that with. Deer on down in my opinion.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork GTK but hard to find a rifle in that calibre.
Thank you for sharing. My process is just about identical except I use an RCBS Summit Press. Now I am that guy that sometimes just enjoys the complete process with used brass also. Something about completing the entire go at it, though I only get that time about 2 to 3 times a year and try to make the most of it go at it for hours at a time not knowing when I will get another chance. We all know you are a rifle shooter but cmon take us through that pistol process I know you have a progressive press hiding some place. You and the family have a Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas sir.
Everyone's process is different. What works for others doesn't work for you and reverse. I only buy hard to obtain brass like 7.62x25 Tokarev, 9mm Makarov , 7.5 Swiss. Everything else is brass I shot from factory ammo or range brass. Unlike you, the brass prep of depriming, cleaning, resizing, etc is enjoyable to me as I have the time.
Merry Christmas. You do you. If it makes you happy. But I gotta wonder…Are you punking us? I’ll say you’re missing out doing what you do, because having brass that is perfect for your chamber through fire forming.
How are you shooting Dasher without fire-forming? Is it hydro-formed and you forgot to mention it? Hydro-forming is nice, but that usually isn’t perfect either.
Hydroformed. Check pinned comment. 👍
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork cool!
Are you fireforming your Lapua brass? Wasn't aware Lapua was making 6 Dasher brass.
It’s hydroformed from the dealer. Lapua doesn’t make dasher brass, you are correct.
When did Lapua start selling factory 6mm dasher brass? I assume you mean you buy it hydroformed or something along those lines.
Merry Christmas man. God bless you and your family.
Yes correct. I buy it hydroformed.
How do you sell the once-fired brass? And how would you go about selling used Reloading equipment if you wanted to?
Various groups and sale pages exist on forums and such.
Wait, you only use brand new Lapua brass every time you load, and sell your first fired brass for 75% of what you paid for? BRILLIANT!
yes, but just on 6 dasher. I load and reload most other calibers. No particular reason. Just thought it would make for an entertaining video.
Great video
Thanks
I'm kind of surprised you own the most expensive single stage press on the market, yet all you needed was your arbor press to seat bullets if you always use new brass?
“Always use new brass” …for this caliber.
😉 I do full reloading process for others.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork ahhhh ok. It all makes a little more sense now haha
hi mate ,Starline brass or Peterson brass beter for 308 cal
I personally haven’t compared them to each other.
I have used both separately though. They both produced decent results. I think you could choose either one and be happy.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork many thanks
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork whats powder you using for 308 cal ,175 gr sierra match king bullets for long range?
Why do you have a reloading press if you don’t size your brass or run em in any die for that matter ? Merry Christmas 🎄
I do the whole reloading process for other calibers, just not this one.
I think you’re missing two important steps….. before priming you should at least run a mandrel through the neck since often times it’s out of round in shipping and you should chamfer the neck before bullet seating
I hear what you’re saying, but also there’s no “should”.
I do it this way and I get great results. That’s the bottom line. If it works, it works.
Wow that's crazy I dont really know how to respond to that especially considering you have an extremely expensive turret press on your bench. I'm polar opposite I actually fire form all my new brass before I even start with load development or before I'll use that brass for my final handloads. I get time is precious but if that's the only effort I was willing to put into reloading I don't know if I'd even bother thats just me but to each their own if it works for you it works for you... you could alway hire an assistant like Eric did then you wouldnt have to do anything but shoot!!! LOL
lol
I reload for other cartridges and guns.
I don’t have Erik Cortina money or else I would hire people. 😉
Your reloading methods are better than mine.
As long as you are getting results you want and you’re having fun, it doesn’t really matter. It should work and it should be enjoyable.
Where do you sell your brass?
What do you do when new brass just isn't available? Also, selling something to me just seems like much more of a hassle than just collecting a bunch and then spending a couple of hours prepping it. But that's just me. Merry Christmas
I shoot factory ammo. Not Dasher, but I’ll switch my barrel to whatever short action caliber I can find at the time. Also, I do know how to reload, I just choose this method for speed and convenience.
Joel, nothing wrong with your process, to each their own, I have been reloading since 1982 and still use the same single-stage press,
with better components nowadays, but I enjoy the total reloading process, brass prep, cleaning, trimming, priming , loading again and
again, just a little OCD ................... but that works for me........... Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching.
For me if I hit where I'm aiming that's good enough for me , never had a Chrono until two years ago and that's so I could see what my rifle was doing when loading oddball rounds in it for plinking , I use brass until it cracks, I should invest in an annealing setup.
There is a mindset out there that doesn't even clean the brass. They will de-prime, anneal, , reprime and go again without all the messy cleaning. On another note, that RCBS needs a better cup. The short sidewalls are allowing power kernels to bounce surprisingly much.
I agree. 👍
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork ya know, I forgot to add that I'm super impressed with your reloading area. It's super clean and organized.
@@Rico11b thanks. Appreciate that. Just got those Secure It wall panels and that really helped me get organized.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Yeah the wall panels are sweet. What about the table itself? Did you build it yourself or is it a kit or something?
@@Rico11b It’s a “butcher block” top that we mounted on top of some standard cabinets.
Hey Joel, how do you like the Matchmaster?
So far it’s excellent. No errors yet and it’s significantly faster than the chargemaster.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Thanks Joel! I've been running 2 Chargemaster lites. Constantly overcharging. I think I'll pick up a Matchmaster.
Good video
Thanks
You're not wrong.
Time is too valuable.
And here I am watching TH-cam.
:-|
😂
And watching me…that’s twice as bad.
Appreciate the video. My only flame is, are you really reloading if you're always using new brass? Wouldn't you just be a" Loader" ? Seems the name I'mplies it's been shot. Either way, I'm just having fun and not being serious. Thanks for sharing, and I wish you and your family a happy holiday and a great new year.
Ha, you got me there.
I do reload for other cartridges and guns though.
Great video, I'm new to reloading so doing all the cleaning, resizing etc... but your way makes a lot of sense ... thanks
Cool. Keep doing what you’re doing. 👍
Joel, Do you have any 7mm-08 1 time fired Brass? If so I'll buy it. Let me know.
Negative. Sorry.
Not enough flannel
Man I get your point buying new but my best ammo always came after the 3rd firing. Why would you leave so much on the table. Might as well use cheaper brass. Almost defeats the purpose of a custom gun with a tighter or min chamber.
The results I’m getting are great. If I went with cheaper brass I’d have to add fire forming as an additional step.
You should uncover while inside
Good info
thanks r/
Thanks. uncover? my hat?
I tell you what if I could afford to do it exactly like you I would! I understand recovering a good bit on the brass but I'm in the bottom rung financially. Very much enjoyed the video thank you for sharing, God bless and happy holidays!
Merry Christmas!
Don’t worry, reloading is typically better than loading virgin brass! You can be poor like me and get better brass!