Marco Corsini: This year I watched the race on TV. Martin Brundle always listened to the engine note through Eau Rouge and I do the same. The car I was watching had its speed up on its display as it went up the hill, I saw 320km.
Nah. They just accepted the risks as part of life, unlike today's bunch who have to nerf every fucking thing because God forbid a kid scrapes their knees.
General Obi Wan Kenobi While i agree that we live in "no fun allowed" times there is a difference between accepting risk and having no sense of self preservation. This scenario counts as the latter.
Raisinade I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed. By all means go ahead and watch the isle of man TT on the outside of a fast corner if that's whats you think makes you happy. I'd much rather not have a call go home informing my family that my face has been replaced by a bike at 200mph.
In the 50s and 60s you might have leisurely visited the races, cars and drivers. Enjoying a glass of beer in style. The 70s just did not know how bloody dangerous they really were in all aspects. Then it gradually morphes into a fullsize slotcar ambience. Anyway, its still there all that sights and sounds.
I watched your compilation of wrecks video earlier today and a BIG question remains... Why so many wrecks at this turn? The course is uphill and, theoretically, the car is being forced into the ground, therefore, maximum traction... Great video's and a new subscriber. Keep them coming!
Johan P Easy to answer: You drive straight, then comes a left corner, then the right which is uphill and then you turn left again, and you can't see the left corner there, you go almost blind into it. You have to steer left because you know that there's the corner, not because you actually see. This is why the corner is very frightening
@@chrissim4386 they should install a few cameras in the kerbs along the curve. That would give a better impression about the speed, visibilty and the forces on the car.
sorry for the late response, it's actually the end of radillion that is the tricky part. As mentioned above it's a blind corner because it's on top of the hill. As it is on top of the hill you have less grip there as you're kinda 'flying' above the track.
At the bottom, max traction, but also your suspension is bottomed out, then as you "guess" your way near the top your car is unweighted and you cant see the corner. All that is providing you are not balls deep into the back of the car infront where your aero is completely screwed.
Remember the 1994 modification where a chicane was put in. This came about in the aftermath of Senna's death. Something of a 'knee-jerk' personally. Drivers hated it. Commonsense soon prevailed & Eau Rouge was back to it's former glory the following year & has remained untampered since.
Il est grand temps de revenir à cette configuration des années 60 pour ce magnifique ensemble de virages que formaient le virage de l’eau rouge et l.attaque du raidillon, le premier, beaucoup plus prononcé que maintenant , conditionnait réellement la prise du second.....et réduisait sa vitesse d’attaque.....
Para mí el mejor circuito del mundo. Saber pasar a casi fondo la curva del diablo y que no se te vaya de atrás el coche eso es ser dominador absoluto. Tiene otras cuantas curvas que requieren de destreza y coraje a la vez que suerte para salir victorioso de ellas.
The onwers destroyed the curve in all possible aspects...they making it even worst to avoid and accident...the old one was a lot open to tge left and the driver had to slow down to get it...circa 81, 82 they "closed" the track to give space for a barrier on the out side, making it faster....the old one was two or three times opened than now..And today the cars escape on it on later on just because it s possible not breaking in the straight prior it
ourafilmes.com It has been purposely smoothed widened & straightened out with every 'evolution'. I forget the years now that they did this although looking at the photos here I think the 80's were when it was changed the most. Apart from that one off travesty that was 1994.........
@@jasonmcmillan4373 It was changed most in 1970 when they cut off the inside of the corner to make it a kink leading onto Raidillon, rather than a corner in its own right - this was to move the apex away from the bridge supports on the outside; part of the Jackie Stewart safety crusade. A lot of the 80's changes were actually to the old s/f straight (which was moved to where it is now in 1981), changing the pit wall and the secondary pitlane exit. The track itself didn't change; but the construction of the pit wall on the downhill pitlane makes it look like it did! The irony of 1994 was that it actually made Eau Rouge back into a corner again, more like it was in the 1950's; but was universally condemned (despite what happened to Zanardi being very fresh in people's minds, and hence it being deemed 'too dangerous' in the second wave of safety campaigns.
Almost right. The name of the steep right-hander is Raidillon. The left-hander on top has no name. It's actually a remain of the old Kemmel section, which was not a straight like now, but a series of corners.
Mythical ... and according to a certain "Ayrton Senna ...: it was necessary to do it with the Bottom Foot of the accelerator .... without regard ... Greetings from Spain, good Video Congratulations.
The entire track was resurfaced in-between; more tarmac was added to the Raidillon runoff, but the inside radius wasn't changed. The resurfacing broke up in the heat of the original race week, so the race was postponed to later in the year - giving us the late summer date that it still holds on the modern F1 calendar.
It's tighter,not shorter.Albeit to the pre-war version which featured an odd double chicane with two hairpins,it is shorter,but those roads are just not able to stand to these roaring monsters going through them.
@Jips: I made the pic from 1999 and uploaded it to Wikipedia: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps#/media/Datei:Eaurouge1999.jpg To reuse it you have to comply with the CC 2.5 terms: creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ That includes "appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use."
Nice timing in 1957.
Amazing
didn't know that in 1957 Eau Rouge had a flying Porsche for people to look at
*The More You Know*
Marco Corsini: This year I watched the race on TV. Martin Brundle always listened to the engine note through Eau Rouge and I do the same. The car I was watching had its speed up on its display as it went up the hill, I saw 320km.
1957 is like
to be continued...
i really don't want to be that guy but.... that's radillon actually!
Looking for this comment
Arlind Sadiku thank you 😂
The entry is eau rouge the rest is radillion
L'Eau Rouge is a left-hand turn at the bottom of the hill. Le Raidillon is an uphill right-hand turn. Most of these photos display both.
Ok
It's like I'm listening to GT Sport's Museum menu! I love that.
0:40 1957 WTF
The pictures from the 50's are amazing.you also get to see a timeline of sponsorship coming into F1👍
1:56 An yellow helmet, may be Senna's helmet.
Dark Lightning Müller's
It’s him, that’s a McLaren
Christ, people in the 60s were odd. Hmm where should I go to get a good picture... omg I know i'll stand right on the apex of a formula one corner! ;D
Nah. They just accepted the risks as part of life, unlike today's bunch who have to nerf every fucking thing because God forbid a kid scrapes their knees.
General Obi Wan Kenobi Exactly
General Obi Wan Kenobi While i agree that we live in "no fun allowed" times there is a difference between accepting risk and having no sense of self preservation.
This scenario counts as the latter.
Richard Hanjeleer No it does not, you're simply proving his point you candyass.
Raisinade I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed. By all means go ahead and watch the isle of man TT on the outside of a fast corner if that's whats you think makes you happy. I'd much rather not have a call go home informing my family that my face has been replaced by a bike at 200mph.
In the 50s and 60s you might have leisurely visited the races, cars and drivers. Enjoying a glass of beer in style. The 70s just did not know how bloody dangerous they really were in all aspects. Then it gradually morphes into a fullsize slotcar ambience. Anyway, its still there all that sights and sounds.
You can still see the old eau rouge going into the woods in many of these.
Good video. Eau Rouge/Raidillon isn't much of a corner today since cars take it flat out without a great deal of difficulty.
One of the most epical corners of all time 😍
I watched your compilation of wrecks video earlier today and a BIG question remains...
Why so many wrecks at this turn?
The course is uphill and, theoretically, the car is being forced into the ground, therefore, maximum traction...
Great video's and a new subscriber. Keep them coming!
Johan P Easy to answer: You drive straight, then comes a left corner, then the right which is uphill and then you turn left again, and you can't see the left corner there, you go almost blind into it.
You have to steer left because you know that there's the corner, not because you actually see.
This is why the corner is very frightening
@@chrissim4386 they should install a few cameras in the kerbs along the curve. That would give a better impression about the speed, visibilty and the forces on the car.
sorry for the late response, it's actually the end of radillion that is the tricky part. As mentioned above it's a blind corner because it's on top of the hill. As it is on top of the hill you have less grip there as you're kinda 'flying' above the track.
At the bottom, max traction, but also your suspension is bottomed out, then as you "guess" your way near the top your car is unweighted and you cant see the corner. All that is providing you are not balls deep into the back of the car infront where your aero is completely screwed.
and its a bit off camber so less grip than normal
Remember the 1994 modification where a chicane was put in. This came about in the aftermath of Senna's death. Something of a 'knee-jerk' personally. Drivers hated it. Commonsense soon prevailed & Eau Rouge was back to it's former glory the following year & has remained untampered since.
Il est grand temps de revenir à cette configuration des années 60 pour ce magnifique ensemble de virages que formaient le virage de l’eau rouge et l.attaque du raidillon, le premier, beaucoup plus prononcé que maintenant , conditionnait réellement la prise du second.....et réduisait sa vitesse d’attaque.....
on dirait en effet que la piste a été elrgie par l'intérieur de la courbe, la randant moins serré
Interesting, thanks for posting.
Just imagine that there used to be houses in that part of circuit back then.
Para mí el mejor circuito del mundo. Saber pasar a casi fondo la curva del diablo y que no se te vaya de atrás el coche eso es ser dominador absoluto.
Tiene otras cuantas curvas que requieren de destreza y coraje a la vez que suerte para salir victorioso de ellas.
The onwers destroyed the curve in all possible aspects...they making it even worst to avoid and accident...the old one was a lot open to tge left and the driver had to slow down to get it...circa 81, 82 they "closed" the track to give space for a barrier on the out side, making it faster....the old one was two or three times opened than now..And today the cars escape on it on later on just because it s possible not breaking in the straight prior it
that picture off 1992 tho..............
Who is this?
T H O
Asher Rose Berger
Where can i find the 1982 picture. Looks so cool.
I think i like 70's Porn Music.
U U A ah
I was wondering what all the ‘57 chat was about...I now understand
It looks like it became an easier corner over the years... The first picture does not even look like eau rouge at all!
ourafilmes.com It has been purposely smoothed widened & straightened out with every 'evolution'. I forget the years now that they did this although looking at the photos here I think the 80's were when it was changed the most. Apart from that one off travesty that was 1994.........
By the way the Eau Rouge is the turn at the bottom while the uphill is the Raidillon
"Easier"--except that now, you're going in there at about 900 mph.
@@jasonmcmillan4373 It was changed most in 1970 when they cut off the inside of the corner to make it a kink leading onto Raidillon, rather than a corner in its own right - this was to move the apex away from the bridge supports on the outside; part of the Jackie Stewart safety crusade.
A lot of the 80's changes were actually to the old s/f straight (which was moved to where it is now in 1981), changing the pit wall and the secondary pitlane exit. The track itself didn't change; but the construction of the pit wall on the downhill pitlane makes it look like it did!
The irony of 1994 was that it actually made Eau Rouge back into a corner again, more like it was in the 1950's; but was universally condemned (despite what happened to Zanardi being very fresh in people's minds, and hence it being deemed 'too dangerous' in the second wave of safety campaigns.
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Before '39 there was a turn named "virage de l' ancienne douane" (turn of the old customs).. Very difficult to find video of that time
It's my impression or the Eau Rouge in the 1980s was wider than it is now?
the pic marked 1960...is 1963. Jim Clark leading away in the rain.
It’s so much bigger than you think irl
Eau Rouge of 1958 is my favorit. :-)
The Eau Rouge is the left turn at the bottom the other two turns are called Raidillon
Almost right. The name of the steep right-hander is Raidillon. The left-hander on top has no name. It's actually a remain of the old Kemmel section, which was not a straight like now, but a series of corners.
0:40 Did anyone else think that that was a camera or something and not really realize it was a car until later?
You should go to Specsavers
Oh thank you, kind sir, maybe I will.
There’s more Radillon in some of these pictures, in fact some don’t show eau rouge at all.
Best track ever!!
Exciting corner, love to drive it
Mythical ... and according to a certain "Ayrton Senna ...: it was necessary to do it with the Bottom Foot of the accelerator .... without regard ... Greetings from Spain, good Video Congratulations.
That's radillon actually...
You are what I came for
Looks like something went wrong in 1957.
Take a look at the '83 and '85 picture. It looks different imo. It looked more curved in '83
The entire track was resurfaced in-between; more tarmac was added to the Raidillon runoff, but the inside radius wasn't changed.
The resurfacing broke up in the heat of the original race week, so the race was postponed to later in the year - giving us the late summer date that it still holds on the modern F1 calendar.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse I think they did that resurfacing because that was the year F1 returned to Spa, am I correct?
Eau Rouge has barely changed since 1939 unlike Raidillon...
That's right. The corner most people call Eau Rouge is actually named Raidillon. It's the steep short cut introduced in 1939.
Why is it made shorter in modern era ?
It's tighter,not shorter.Albeit to the pre-war version which featured an odd double chicane with two hairpins,it is shorter,but those roads are just not able to stand to these roaring monsters going through them.
To fit those safety areas around, I guess.
SAFETY
*insert unoriginal that's radillion actually joke*
In 2011, the kerbs were painted yellow and red instead of white and red. TIL.
Green and yellow 2016
NOSTALGIC..
dont like the corner...the way u gotta race it is totally off line over the curbs n stuff...needs to change
Eau rouge is just the entry
The rest is radillion
Great video the soundtrack makes me feel at a 70s porn movie
Best years: between 1950-1970 aprox
No videos just still pics ? PSSSH !
ask for a full refund!
2013?
2013 whats?
Gustavo Torres 2013 shows 1950 style cars on the track in 2015 showing the change.
Gustavo Torres I
So, they ruined it in 1985 by taking out the bridge.
The bridge is still there. Look at Google maps.
As a corner it’s was ruined in 1939.
How is that 2013
Thats raidillon actually :)
That's Raidillon actually.
isn’t that spa or the belgium GP
obama ninja yeah and the corner its about is eaurouge
*Eau Rouge
The little left turn at the bottom is the Eau Rouge the uphill S is called Raidillon
obama ninja Hamilton our vettel
How can one person be that stupid? But hey, I guess he's a Fortnite Kiddy.
Thats radillion actually
Thats dangerous actually
la curva mas peligrosa del mundo
2013 wrong. Looks like 1964
No its right, its just old grand prix cars running on today's track
@@bensolo639huh, it makes more logic now
P..., je n'appelle pas ça une évolution, mais une vraie dégradation d'un superbe virage !!!
@Jips: I made the pic from 1999 and uploaded it to Wikipedia:
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps#/media/Datei:Eaurouge1999.jpg
To reuse it you have to comply with the CC 2.5 terms:
creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/
That includes "appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use."
That's raidillon actually
1994 = Boring and pathetic. Chicane after senna death
What does it have to do with senna death?
Sebastiaan van de Weerd chicanes for security bro. Look at the chicanes in the f1 1994. Spain Gp an example. Boring.
def osod it is not really an answer to my question
*OMG*
That's radillon actually
Eau Rouge+ Halo=Crash
I see
HALO + Radillion = 2 drivers saved this week.
No video? Lame ass picture show.