Unlimited boost turbo cars in Formula 1. Group B monsters in Rally. Group C endurance sportscars doing close to 400km/h on the Mulsanne straight at LeMans. The 80's were *crazy* . Where's my time machine?
@@lytee3720 According to Wiki, the BMW M12 and M13 was a 4 cylinder turbo engine. Other turbo engines of the era were 6 cylinder(like the Honda), the Alfa Romeos had a turbo V8.
There's an untouchable, mystical quality to these 1980s F1 cars. They look so clean and the way they twitch and slide is magic, with the drivers having to constantly stay on top of them just to contain the fury of those turbo engines. Those cars were like a barely controlled explosion. I can't even imagine the skill needed to drive one, let alone to the limits of their grip.
Thats how it is today, no traction control or other driver aids, they even race with more horsepower than back in the 80s. Remember they only had 1000+ hp in qualification. In race they were down to between 800-900 hp depending on which team and conditions.
The mid-80s were the pinnacle of motor racing. F1 with unlimited turbos, group A for touring cars, group B for rallying (oh my) and group C for endurance racing. Best time ever.
This is from Channel 9 Australian TV... their famous 'Wide World of Sport' show.... they showed the whole Adelaide GP... all free to air... just fantastic viewing... brings back lots of memories... and what incredible cars!!!!!!! Today's cars are faster, more technologically advanced, safer... yadda yadda yadda... and they're STILL not as ballsy as these cars were.
I was there for that GP!! The most amazing thing about the turbos (aside from the staggering amount of noise) was the smell. The best way I can describe it was the smell of burning steel. The engines were basically disintegrating in real time.
@@farmerbrown84 I was in Adelaide for the '88 GP (my first F1 race) ... we were doing some shopping in Rundle Mall on the Thursday morning and there was this really, really loud and persistent whine/buzz everywhere we went... I thought that there must have been some construction work going on ... the sound went right through your head... it took a while before I realised it was the F1 cars a few kilometres away doing free practice... our seats were about 300m up from the start line... I have never, ever heard or felt anything that loud as that full grid ... the V10's must have been even louder.
So let me get this right......4 analogue gauges,2 digital gauges,2 warning lights,at least half a dozen switches,manual boost,brake bias and suspension control whilst trying to use a manual gearbox with 1450 bhp on tap!!!!!!!
BlandNutz That Ford engine didn't make anywhere near 1000bhp. more like 750; Cosworth was more concerned with reliability so restricted boost pressure significantly. The BMWs, Renaults, and Hondas hit 1k+BHP at qualifying trim.
I was lucky enough to watch these heroes back in the 80s, it took real talent to control these beasts. No fuel and tyre management needed, just go flat out and race.
It’s interesting you say this because I’ve l been watching the 1984 season recently and managing fuel, tyres and being gentle with the car seems to be all they do! They’re very rarely going flat out.
Did anyone else tear up watching these amazing F1 videos at the pure geniusness of it all? I was lucky enough to see this live as a kid and I'll never forget the sound.
I wish there was a TV show of Jackie Stewart explaining all the different kinds of race cars in history and how to drive them fast. I'd binge watch that for days.
These are two cars, two identical cars. Wrong again! The one on the left is from 2016, has no power, drives clinical as a train and has no sound at all while the car on the right is from 1986, has incredible power, spectacular wide rubber, sounds like a jet and is spitting flames.
The deadliest Era in f1 but boy wouldnt it be something to go back and watch. These cars were insane, and the guys who tried taming them were even more insane. Hell they weren't diving, they were riding.
keith murray Deadliest? Giles died in 82r. Elio died in practice in 86. Thats two deaths in turbo F1 cars. Most died last 60s and 70s in N/A cars. INfact the ford cosworth v8 DFV powered omething like 98% of all F1 and F3000 deaths.
The deadliest era in f1 was in the 60s and early 70s. 1976 was the first full season without a driver fatality, then the slowly stopped becoming normality after 82 the wasn't a death in f1 for 12 years until imola, 1994.
keith murray It wasn't all that exciting to watch, I remember dreaming about the 70's when people would actually pass and the cars sounded like race cars.
Amazing how basic and pure the technology and racing seem compared to today. Yet at the time it was pushing the boundaries to beyond the limits. At that time they were probably saying it’s not as pure as the 60s yet today the 80s look raw
I know I laughed pretty hard at that. It's insane to think how far man has pushed such a simple thing as an internal combustion engine in only a 100ish years
I've trust recently started to get interested in F1 (it was always fun to watch, but much like any other sport, it's a lot more fun if you know the rules); can you tell me what specifically and why it's illegal in F1?
Occams Razor the driver can't change turbo boost, stiffness, balance etc. You can't have two different engines for qualifications and race, both are made with one engine. Also qualifications tyres are baned too. You do qualifications in the same tyres compound as in the race.
Apparently the engine blocks were from high mileage road cars and were iron. They preferred those because all the thermal cycles made the block ideal for the high power.
@@Spyker8921 From a monetary perspective I totally agree. That would be a terrible waste and would make racing harder for the smaller teams. From a regulatory view, or lack thereof, I am all for it. Innovation is F1's heritage and there is very little of that going on right now.
Haven't seen this vid in years. TH-cam threw it up for me again. Just wonderful. I was there at 9 of the 10 Adelaide GP's. Including this year. Brings back wonderful memories for me. It's amazing the amount of comments this video keeps bringing.. I nice period piece of those heady days of the Turbo Era. It was amazing to witness these cars nearly 40 years ago that in qualiy form pulled harder down the straights than they do now.
I hope F1 management realizes they're losing fans because of all the stupid regulations. If they made the cars safe but allowed all sorts of mechanical creativity I think it'd have a much larger following
This is absolutely incorrect. Much of the regulation in F1 exists to encourage competition, and ensure that teams with less money can compete with teams with more money. If there were no limitations to what a team could do, the teams that spend a billion dollars a year would be in an entirely different league than teams spending closer to 100 million a year.
I read the comments and I hope you like only big 3 winning the races, no imagine 2 separate parts for qualy and race, only the big 3 would start a race, the cost is enormous this time with the regulations, there is no chance f1 would not work like that.
jackie probably fixed it, he is well known for being very involved in the setup of his cars. Also a 3 time wdc, vs only 1 for alan jones. PS chill i'm just trolling.
this f1 engine is based of m10 engine, which is fitted on bmw 1500, 1600, 2000, 2002, e12, e21, e28 and e30 series, i know about a formula car having this m10 engine inside, produces 750hp on n/a...n54 will not support this anyway, as we said, grandpa's ar the best!
Stumbled upon this. Lived in Adelaide during those Adelaide GP years and went to every one bar one. It brought back some wonderful memories. Thanks so much for putting this up. Pity the cars today weren't more like these. Pity the Australian (Melbourne) GP circuit is not more like this true gritty street circuit that Adelaide was.
Adelaide only lost the GP because of tobacco advertising regulations. So unbelievable to see this much power with no traction control and stupid flappy paddle gear changes. I used to watch tjese races when I was in high school.
Cameron Webster ...Adelaide lost the GP because of political ineptitude and indecision, not tobacco laws... They actually adjusted the law so it didn't effect the GP... Adelaide should have become the Monaco of the South keeping the race here forever and even becoming a night race...A tragedy I will NEVER forgive the S.A Government for.....
Came for the 1,500bhp F1 car, but took a trip down memory lane with Mike Gibson - and his outstanding use of the word ‘Shanghai’ which in early 80s Australia was a slang term for a ‘Y’ shaped branch you’d cut out of a tree, linked together a bunch of thick elastic bands with a piece of tyre inner tube cut out for a pouch, and used it to sling rocks at various objects in the bush!! Or a 1,500bhp engine slinging an F1 car down a wide street in Adeliade…
5.6 bar of boost, fook me that's 82PSI......................insane, this is the sort of shit that todays F1's need, bring back 1500bhp engines, manual gearboxes and ban any form of traction control, that will sort the men from the boys.
All teams had expensive motorsport engines, but for this 1450 hp engine BMW used a used M10 engine block with a mileage of 200,000 km. It's unbelievable but true.
Even modern day F1 cars have less HP. The v6 hybrid produces 720 HP and the ERS makes 300HP. Very close to if not exactly at 1,000HP. So even with that it still has 450 less. People were daredevils back then.
and the cars were very basic, requiring much more physical effort to wrangle and keep on the track. The steering is so incredibly smooth and precise on the modern cars, sort of like riding a bucking bronco vs. a cheetah haha.
Well, that's only kind of true. The current V6 hybrids can output those kind of figures over a race distance. While these 80's turbo engines only made those over 1000hp figures in qualifying trim and would blow up if driven over 5 laps. They were tuned way down for races. Most of them in the range of 700-950 hp in race trim.
Can't compare today's turbo F1 to the magic of the first time around, not by a long shot. But nevertheless, anyone who says lack of cylinder count or engine displacement is the problem should be forced to study up on this era. There are any number of things that are disappointing about F1 now, but don't tell me it can't be good with small, 4- and 6-cyl engines; we've already seen that it can be.
Exactly. I love how so many tout the sounds of this era of engine and then mistakingly call them V10/12's. Or bring up "driver aids" making the cars of today easier to drive proving they almost certainly dont watch F1 since all aids have been banned for years now.
Yup, the F1 cars of 2020 is much, much faster on the tracks. Cornering, G forces, brakes and handling. Today we see flat out +200mph cornering. Those old cars would spin off at 100mph,- and kill the driver.
@@jrnmadsen2710 None of the tracks are the same. Some of these cars are still being driven. With modern tire compounds the 80s Quattro absolutly demolished the modern quattro by more than a second. I wouldnt doubt some of these F1 monsters would give modern cars a good fight.
The madman in the bmw powered benetton powerslides a 1400 horsepower formula one go-kart style machine of terror at 10:10. These cars would have been terrifying to drive. No safety gear, probably very little grip and downforce and MASSIVE power with manual, knowing that if one thing broke you would crash and likely die
THAT'S IT. That car was so powerful and the grip was so little that it was a challenge to drive. With modern ABS and launch control system, aerodynamics, and more grip, it'd be VERY INTERESTING to see how fast could modern F1 cars go.
MAN I love the 80's turbo cars, the old huge gauges mostly analog and everythings manual. These cars were so grunty and wild, scraping the ground and bucking around.
Back then drivers had to know how to use the car they didn't have any kind of mechanical assistance if they made a mistake it could cost them their life .
@PanzerChicken69 Because everyone wants to see drivers dying horrible deaths, huh? A lot of the people praising this era for "little downforce, Manual transmission, no assists and no fancy safety features!!" Weren't even alive to see it in person. I myself wasn't, and I don't see why anyone misses the huge disregard for human life that was prevalent across all of motorsport back in the day, it took F1 50 years to make a decent amount of progress towards safety, and lots of drivers had to die for that to happen, it's insane how people can romanticize the lack of safety so much, but I guess it's easy when it's not your life that's being risked.
@bombacimulayim1453 Just because humans die eventually it doesn't mean it's right to throw safety out of the window because everyone dies some day, that's a horrible take. Nobody forced people to work in horrible conditions in the 1910s but everyone agrees that workers' rights were a good thing and that workplace safety is a great achievement for humanity, Motorsports is no different, no one forces them to drive, but that doesn't mean safety isn't needed. Was it Senna's fault his steering column failed? Was it Anthoine Hubert's fault he got T-boned? Was it Jules Bianchi's fault the race took place during a hurricane and a tractor was on the track with no safety car? Was it Dilano's fault it was raining too hard for a race to take place safely? None of those drivers were to blame for their deaths, and I could go on. I don't think any sane person would blame them for their accidents, and I really hope you don't agree with the absurd idea that casualties in Motorsports are exclusively the drivers' fault and that the people responsible for making the important decisions have no responsibility for anything.
Man, I am all goosebumps watching this!! Clouds of unburnt fuel, flame'age, crazy boost, 4 lap engines, turbo's and gearboxes, on the edge of control, THIS is F1, not the BS nonsense we suffer today!
F1 was thrilling in the 80's. I'd watch all the qualifying and the races religiously. God I can't bear watching what we've got now. To me it's painfully boring.
Which are incredibly advanced and efficient and also have a enormous amount of power from such a minuscule capacity (650-700hp)... Not to mention the turbo and Energy Recovery System's in place to make up the complete power unit (additional 180-200hp). This is complete sarcasm of course!!! HAHA This is the future, like it or not... Unfortunately this is the way F1 is going... But the technology now is amazing, you have to admit... With F1 presently, it's always a win/lose situation :(
1:02 this is known as an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature, or Thermometer) it actually exists to prevent the loss of an engine. If the turbo fails and the exhaustion gases rose dramatically, the driver could pull over and shut the engine off before it exploded, which it actually did a whole lot, with or without the EGT
maverick buckley Why Maverick? Why is that whinging. Have you ever been to an F1 race or for that matter even seen the old turbo's? I have seen most versions of F1 live... the current one is terrible. Cheers
jeez, get with the times, everything is electric now. you dont wish u still have your old brick phone instead your iphone do you? we all love the pure mechanical cars, we all do. but you cant always live in the past.
It amazes me to no end the power you can actually get out of a quite small engine, with turbos and tuning… when you only need to get a couple hundred miles out of it instead of 100,000 miles.
In Gran Turismo Sport, there's different F1-cars available, including a classic +1000hp one with about the same cockpit as the one in the video. When you drive it without traction control (or any other help), you get an idea of how difficult it would have been to keep complete control of such beasts AND win a race! :)
Ivelina Markova Just kidding, I was just saying what I thought the exact numbers where, but I’m always keen to learn, do you know what else was in the fuel?
@@clarissafarmer3547 well, since there were amounts of the world war 2 german fighter jet fuel into it, i guess some nitrous oxide.. and even funkier things! it's been called some funky names like : designers exotic cocktail, rocketfuel, ww2 nazi fuel, napalm.. and the car was said to be like a bomb, a rocket, a handgrenade after the 5-6 bars of boost kicked in. The car was a pure monster, only it took alien skills to manage to operate it at full potential, and the engine was unreliable as fk, sadly
Unlimited boost turbo cars in Formula 1. Group B monsters in Rally. Group C endurance sportscars doing close to 400km/h on the Mulsanne straight at LeMans. The 80's were *crazy* . Where's my time machine?
ohyeahhh.....
there's one exeption, the 1991 le mans winner.
agreed
what car was that? 787b?
Bo Huggabee really? you're kidding me....
group b monster rally cars were much slower than nowadays rally cars :- \
love the run through from stewart, not a single "um or ah" clearly knows his stuff and i love hearing that type of detailed explanation
@Anal Creampie my point exactly
cs512tr the hallmark of a high performance individual.
He makes it all seem so easy to manage as he rattles away
It’s almost like the stuff he is talking about is labeled.
One ah was present
1,500 BHP from a turbo inline 4 cylinder. Insane!
Alongside rocket fuel, and turbochargers running at upto 5.5 bar of pressure, insanity!!
6 cylinders
@@lytee3720 According to Wiki, the BMW M12 and M13 was a 4 cylinder turbo engine. Other turbo engines of the era were 6 cylinder(like the Honda), the Alfa Romeos had a turbo V8.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat alright thanks, crazy engine 😱
2 Engines per race weekend per driver.
An On/Off radio switch would be Raikkonen's favorite item in this car ;)
"Just leave me alone ... I know what I'm doing."
Yep, definitely! :D
bwoah
He actually said he wished he would've been around F1 in the 70's and 80's
Steering wheel
There's an untouchable, mystical quality to these 1980s F1 cars. They look so clean and the way they twitch and slide is magic, with the drivers having to constantly stay on top of them just to contain the fury of those turbo engines. Those cars were like a barely controlled explosion. I can't even imagine the skill needed to drive one, let alone to the limits of their grip.
1450 bhp, 6 manual gears, no computer controls except your own self control.
Thems were the days.
+SomeYoungGuy Johnson forgoten
BadTrip
On the edge...like Gilles? :)
Thats how it is today, no traction control or other driver aids, they even race with more horsepower than back in the 80s. Remember they only had 1000+ hp in qualification. In race they were down to between 800-900 hp depending on which team and conditions.
Also it was 1350 hp as said in the video which was a calculated estimate, not 1450 hp.
Rottensteam
ok I see, I thought this was a qualifying vid. My bad.
The mid-80s were the pinnacle of motor racing. F1 with unlimited turbos, group A for touring cars, group B for rallying (oh my) and group C for endurance racing. Best time ever.
1980 F1 sponsors: Beer and cigarettes
2024 sponsors: Crypto and Energy drink
Yeah vintage sponsors like malboro and rothmans were so good but Red Bull is pretty cool too
This is from Channel 9 Australian TV... their famous 'Wide World of Sport' show.... they showed the whole Adelaide GP... all free to air... just fantastic viewing... brings back lots of memories... and what incredible cars!!!!!!! Today's cars are faster, more technologically advanced, safer... yadda yadda yadda... and they're STILL not as ballsy as these cars were.
I was there for that GP!!
The most amazing thing about the turbos (aside from the staggering amount of noise) was the smell.
The best way I can describe it was the smell of burning steel.
The engines were basically disintegrating in real time.
@@farmerbrown84 I was in Adelaide for the '88 GP (my first F1 race) ... we were doing some shopping in Rundle Mall on the Thursday morning and there was this really, really loud and persistent whine/buzz everywhere we went... I thought that there must have been some construction work going on ... the sound went right through your head... it took a while before I realised it was the F1 cars a few kilometres away doing free practice... our seats were about 300m up from the start line... I have never, ever heard or felt anything that loud as that full grid ... the V10's must have been even louder.
Man F1 has lost it, don't see mustaches like that anymore
Except for vettel
Top Gear proved that being under the influence of a mustache reduces your driving ability tho...
@@aydankhaliq2967 Look at the date of the comment though
Sebastian Vettel: hold my beer
Porridge boss, Vettel and Ricciardo
So let me get this right......4 analogue gauges,2 digital gauges,2 warning lights,at least half a dozen switches,manual boost,brake bias and suspension control whilst trying to use a manual gearbox with 1450 bhp on tap!!!!!!!
BlandNutz That Ford engine didn't make anywhere near 1000bhp. more like 750; Cosworth was more concerned with reliability so restricted boost pressure significantly. The BMWs, Renaults, and Hondas hit 1k+BHP at qualifying trim.
Sounds fun
BlandNutz I’m pretty sure it’s a sequential gearbox
nope, it was an old school H-pattern.
BlandNutz and remember they didn't have power steering in the early 90's.
The ultimate F1 car would have 1986 power, 1992 tires, 1993 electronics and 2004 aero.
+gold333 1984 tires actually. Huge fat slicks RULEZ!
+gold333 what about Brabham BT46 aero?
+gold333 0r 1982 Aero. Wingcars.
mmmm sound good
+gold333 2008 aero ;) and 2011 blown and double diffuser
Superb footage from Jacky stewart. The greatest era of F1
I was lucky enough to watch these heroes back in the 80s, it took real talent to control these beasts. No fuel and tyre management needed, just go flat out and race.
It’s interesting you say this because I’ve l been watching the 1984 season recently and managing fuel, tyres and being gentle with the car seems to be all they do! They’re very rarely going flat out.
Did anyone else tear up watching these amazing F1 videos at the pure geniusness of it all? I was lucky enough to see this live as a kid and I'll never forget the sound.
I wish there was a TV show of Jackie Stewart explaining all the different kinds of race cars in history and how to drive them fast. I'd binge watch that for days.
these are my balls, two identical balls, wrong again, the one on the left has a sticky compound, the one on the right set up to do the whole distance
These are two cars, two identical cars. Wrong again! The one on the left is from 2016, has no power, drives clinical as a train and has no sound at all while the car on the right is from 1986, has incredible power, spectacular wide rubber, sounds like a jet and is spitting flames.
kinetic static well done sir well done.
Charles Leax What do you mean no power?
The one on the left lasts 30 seconds for a one night pump and dump and the one on the right lasts 40 minutes for the right girl I aim to impress
lmao
The deadliest Era in f1 but boy wouldnt it be something to go back and watch. These cars were insane, and the guys who tried taming them were even more insane. Hell they weren't diving, they were riding.
keith murray Deadliest? Giles died in 82r. Elio died in practice in 86. Thats two deaths in turbo F1 cars. Most died last 60s and 70s in N/A cars. INfact the ford cosworth v8 DFV powered omething like 98% of all F1 and F3000 deaths.
triptechable I meant to say one of the deadliest era's in f1, not the worst. 60's-70's were definitely alot worst.
The deadliest era in f1 was in the 60s and early 70s. 1976 was the first full season without a driver fatality, then the slowly stopped becoming normality after 82 the wasn't a death in f1 for 12 years until imola, 1994.
keith murray It wasn't all that exciting to watch, I remember dreaming about the 70's when people would actually pass and the cars sounded like race cars.
crusherbmx I garauntee it was more exciting than today's racing just saying.
1.5L making 1400+ HP.....mein gott...
Zach Haus The power of turbo charged engines ;)
of REAL Turbo Engines
not the shit today
Zach Haus Hydrolic valves too, as well at stroke reduction and super high compression.
11k RPM is pretty low, isn't it?
Stubbari For F1 yes....
Honda made a engine during the 90's that could safely run to 26k but with restrictions all F1 engines had to run at 20k
Berger has controlled some truly crazy cars in his career
Amazing how basic and pure the technology and racing seem compared to today. Yet at the time it was pushing the boundaries to beyond the limits. At that time they were probably saying it’s not as pure as the 60s yet today the 80s look raw
Idle at 6000RPM ;)
I know I laughed pretty hard at that. It's insane to think how far man has pushed such a simple thing as an internal combustion engine in only a 100ish years
+Brett Eloff good observation, they don't need precision under 6k, but over... hehehe
Idle at 4k
+Brett Eloff My car's rev limiter is at 5500rpm ._.
the v10s, at least some of them had the idle at 9000 rpm.
Fantastic audio captured from this Channel 9 Broadcast. Wow.
This car also has the title of the lightest ever Formula 1 car, according to google...without a doubt the craziest Formula 1 car ever made.
Imagine running that thing without any restrictions to aero. Shit would prob keep up with the 2000 V10s, maybe even the F2004
@@LukeTansiongco well yes. That is if it can last as long as those precious V10s.
@@LukeTansiongcoImagine if it had modern tires
Would keep up with the W11 at Monza
Incredible that these are 1.5 litre with 4 cylinders. The engine blocks were retrieved from scrapyards from BMW saloons.
imagine fitting that engine into a 1996 toyota corolla
@@fargeeks Or an old GT86. Oh yeah, now we're talking :)
@@fargeeks They would explode after few short kilometers at max setting.
the JPS Lotus was one of the best looking cars.
I love the exhaust plume under boost. Reminds me of a jet fighter engaging after burner :)
they were called pilots back then
The 'swarm of bees' as it was often called...
Cause it is. The fuel used for qualifying, its chemistry is very rich in toluene. Its almost like napalm just a few ingredients away.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 What diesel and aluminium salts? Not sure that would run well.
Overfuelling
Likely helps keep temps down whilst turbo is cramming in as much air that will fit in and out
Funny how everything single thing Jackie Stewart explained is now illegal in Formula One.
Phillip kim its not funny....its sad!!!
Very sad how F1 isnt fun any more!
Except maybe disposable components for qualifying. What do they add to the sport except expenses for all teams?
I've trust recently started to get interested in F1 (it was always fun to watch, but much like any other sport, it's a lot more fun if you know the rules); can you tell me what specifically and why it's illegal in F1?
Occams Razor the driver can't change turbo boost, stiffness, balance etc.
You can't have two different engines for qualifications and race, both are made with one engine. Also qualifications tyres are baned too. You do qualifications in the same tyres compound as in the race.
Apparently the engine blocks were from high mileage road cars and were iron. They preferred those because all the thermal cycles made the block ideal for the high power.
That’s for the BMW motor I belive
Yes more weight but way more durable with heat cycling.
That IS interesting 🤔
This is madness. Wish I was around to watch it live.
"Wrong again!" Jackie Stewart explains extremely well!
Loved the cockpit tour. As a relatively new F1 fan this was very enlightening. Wish I had been born/paid attention earlier in life.
Amazing cars, the engineering was insane. This is what F1 is all about for me, pushing the limits of physics and drivers
"Four lap special"
Yeah buddy, we need to bring this madness back in play!
No we don't
@@Spyker8921 From a monetary perspective I totally agree. That would be a terrible waste and would make racing harder for the smaller teams. From a regulatory view, or lack thereof, I am all for it. Innovation is F1's heritage and there is very little of that going on right now.
Haven't seen this vid in years. TH-cam threw it up for me again. Just wonderful. I was there at 9 of the 10
Adelaide GP's. Including this year. Brings back wonderful memories for me. It's amazing the amount of comments this video keeps bringing.. I nice period piece of those heady days of the Turbo Era. It was amazing to witness these cars nearly 40 years ago that in qualiy form pulled harder down the straights than they do now.
F1 technology is absolutely amazing. 1500bhp from 4 cylinders
I read they used to pee on the block to do something to the metal
I hope F1 management realizes they're losing fans because of all the stupid regulations. If they made the cars safe but allowed all sorts of mechanical creativity I think it'd have a much larger following
Damn right my man. Bernie should have to drive in one of the old Ferrari F1's for ten laps... then we might just see a show again.
Considering all this isn't it good that F1 isn't controlled by Bernie anymore? Liberty Media, an American company, owns F1 today.
that isn't the reason they're losing fans......Nor is it that simple. Don't be dumb.
This is absolutely incorrect. Much of the regulation in F1 exists to encourage competition, and ensure that teams with less money can compete with teams with more money. If there were no limitations to what a team could do, the teams that spend a billion dollars a year would be in an entirely different league than teams spending closer to 100 million a year.
I read the comments and I hope you like only big 3 winning the races, no imagine 2 separate parts for qualy and race, only the big 3 would start a race, the cost is enormous this time with the regulations, there is no chance f1 would not work like that.
I wonder how this car went when Allan got back in it after Jackie screwed up all his boost, brake and roll centre settings lol.
Track Days. Haha
Track Days. Hahaha, yeah, was wondering myself. They probably had the settings written down.
jackie probably fixed it, he is well known for being very involved in the setup of his cars. Also a 3 time wdc, vs only 1 for alan jones. PS chill i'm just trolling.
Haha I was thinking that too messing with those knobs like it’s no big deal
They know their settings, LOL! You don't play around to set them, it's a science.
This BMW motor was the granddaddy of the N54/N55. Just a high boost monster BMW engine
this f1 engine is based of m10 engine, which is fitted on bmw 1500, 1600, 2000, 2002, e12, e21, e28 and e30 series, i know about a formula car having this m10 engine inside, produces 750hp on n/a...n54 will not support this anyway, as we said, grandpa's ar the best!
When the Benetton of Gerhard Berger exits a corner, I can feel the power of that car... True +1000 bhp sounds
In every way the 80´s were THE best time in motorsport history.
Certainly in terms of B.B.C. commentary. How I miss Walker & Hunt !
i dunno, most motorcycle-motorsports have advanced a great deal since the 80's
True words
Except for superbike racing. Right now the Isle of Man TT is breaking the lap record almost every single year. The rate of development is ridiculous.
EXACTLY
Stumbled upon this. Lived in Adelaide during those Adelaide GP years and went to every one bar one. It brought back some wonderful memories. Thanks so much for putting this up. Pity the cars today weren't more like these. Pity the Australian (Melbourne) GP circuit is not more like this true gritty street circuit that Adelaide was.
Never got to see the race in Adelaide but Albert park is very hard to find a good spot to watch the action.
Where in Adelaide did you live?
Adelaide only lost the GP because of tobacco advertising regulations. So unbelievable to see this much power with no traction control and stupid flappy paddle gear changes. I used to watch tjese races when I was in high school.
Cameron Webster ...Adelaide lost the GP because of political ineptitude and indecision, not tobacco laws... They actually adjusted the law so it didn't effect the GP... Adelaide should have become the Monaco of the South keeping the race here forever and even becoming a night race...A tragedy I will NEVER forgive the S.A Government for.....
What a man sir Jackie Stewart is, that's a man who knows his craft alright
Came for the 1,500bhp F1 car, but took a trip down memory lane with Mike Gibson - and his outstanding use of the word ‘Shanghai’ which in early 80s Australia was a slang term for a ‘Y’ shaped branch you’d cut out of a tree, linked together a bunch of thick elastic bands with a piece of tyre inner tube cut out for a pouch, and used it to sling rocks at various objects in the bush!! Or a 1,500bhp engine slinging an F1 car down a wide street in Adeliade…
A slingshot?
@@air_ yep - in Australia we called them a Shanghai. I’ve no idea why. We just did.
@@air_ yep - they got called a slingshot as well - but also a Shanghai. No idea why.
@@Revheadrev
Were those slingshots yellow or made out of rice?
About 3785 hp per metric tonne...
The car weighed 555kg.
Hypercar
@@antonman1234 A bit more...
@@WynnofThule more then double of a hypercar :D
x=1450(hp)*1000(kg)/555(kg)=2612hp per 1 metric tonne.
2610
5.6 bar of boost, fook me that's 82PSI......................insane, this is the sort of shit that todays F1's need, bring back 1500bhp engines, manual gearboxes and ban any form of traction control, that will sort the men from the boys.
David Lyon there is not TC since 2008.
David Lyon traction control is already banned....
It wouldn't be reliable and tree huggers don't like how race cars aren't efficient enough. Soon racing will be neutered to people racing in prius'
David Lyon when F1 WAS F1.. Good old slicks, 40 degree celcius, high octane fuel, V12 WITH turbos, no abs, no traction, just pure skill
Eirik Mæhlum v12 turbos? never happened.
All teams had expensive motorsport engines, but for this 1450 hp engine BMW used a used M10 engine block with a mileage of 200,000 km. It's unbelievable but true.
Maybe mileage makes it better?
@@kerimca98 yes, because Engineblock tension in a used Block not exist.
I don't know how those cars could move that fast with the size of the driver's balls weighing it down so much
Sir Jackie failed to show the huge fan under the seat that was used to keep the driver’s gigantic balls cool.
the teams also had to weld a steel plate under the seat to support their massive weight.
legend has it that these cars had to have so much power to carry the insane weight of the balls that the drivers had
andrewesquivel gave me a chuckle
Now to the boots.
Two identical boots.
Wrong again.
Now for the balls.
Identical.
Wrong! One hangs lower than the other, the left for qualifying, the other for the race.
One is for the right foot, and the other?.. for the LEFT foot...
One can walk for full race distance. The other can go only for four fast laps before it wears out
My right boot is normal, but the left? There's a snake in my boot!
Even Jackie would think that was funny!!
Nice explanation about the instruments.
Sir Jackie Stewart
Jackie Stewart, Nine’s Wide World of Sports, the Adelaide GP and free to air tv. Gold. RIP Mike Gibson.
Even modern day F1 cars have less HP. The v6 hybrid produces 720 HP and the ERS makes 300HP. Very close to if not exactly at 1,000HP. So even with that it still has 450 less. People were daredevils back then.
and the cars were very basic, requiring much more physical effort to wrangle and keep on the track. The steering is so incredibly smooth and precise on the modern cars, sort of like riding a bucking bronco vs. a cheetah haha.
That's just not true. The ERS is 160hp.
@@Spyker8921 Don’t blame me, I’m not an expert.
Well, that's only kind of true. The current V6 hybrids can output those kind of figures over a race distance. While these 80's turbo engines only made those over 1000hp figures in qualifying trim and would blow up if driven over 5 laps. They were tuned way down for races. Most of them in the range of 700-950 hp in race trim.
@@kekkonenprkl Yep you’re right max boost would not last that long.
what a handfull ! ..the shift points are whenever the tyres break loose. !
Jackie Stewart always came across as very insightful. I've heard some of his commentary on races and he's excellent.
@James Tudor Jackie Stewart was the one, explaining the car
Can't compare today's turbo F1 to the magic of the first time around, not by a long shot. But nevertheless, anyone who says lack of cylinder count or engine displacement is the problem should be forced to study up on this era. There are any number of things that are disappointing about F1 now, but don't tell me it can't be good with small, 4- and 6-cyl engines; we've already seen that it can be.
Exactly. I love how so many tout the sounds of this era of engine and then mistakingly call them V10/12's.
Or bring up "driver aids" making the cars of today easier to drive proving they almost certainly dont watch F1 since all aids have been banned for years now.
@Anal Creampie You might want to read the reply _right_ above yours
The Problem is its hard to drive and 1.6l highly boosted turbo engine with an 2 second turbolag^^ i like it but other dont.
Yup, the F1 cars of 2020 is much, much faster on the tracks. Cornering, G forces, brakes and handling. Today we see flat out +200mph cornering. Those old cars would spin off at 100mph,- and kill the driver.
@@jrnmadsen2710 None of the tracks are the same. Some of these cars are still being driven. With modern tire compounds the 80s Quattro absolutly demolished the modern quattro by more than a second. I wouldnt doubt some of these F1 monsters would give modern cars a good fight.
The madman in the bmw powered benetton powerslides a 1400 horsepower formula one go-kart style machine of terror at 10:10. These cars would have been terrifying to drive. No safety gear, probably very little grip and downforce and MASSIVE power with manual, knowing that if one thing broke you would crash and likely die
Прижима было достаточно, но машины были все равно небезопасны
THAT'S IT. That car was so powerful and the grip was so little that it was a challenge to drive. With modern ABS and launch control system, aerodynamics, and more grip, it'd be VERY INTERESTING to see how fast could modern F1 cars go.
@@leodionisiolima F1 nowdays doesnt have ABS, neither TC or active aerodynamics just like cars had in the 90s
MAN I love the 80's turbo cars, the old huge gauges mostly analog and everythings manual. These cars were so grunty and wild, scraping the ground and bucking around.
this was a golden era, just like the V4 GP-500 2 stroke years
The skill of drivers in the old days is barely comprehensible
It makes the sport a lot more interesting IMO.
Back then drivers had to know how to use the car they didn't have any kind of mechanical assistance if they made a mistake it could cost them their life .
Jackie Stewart was so good on channel 9 as a special comments....
James Hunt was also hilarious as a commentator
Truly talented drivers. That's a lot of power and crazy busy cockpit.
Yeah and without those awful flappy paddle things and fancy aerodynamics, these guys had to actually drive the cars , this is when F1 had soul
😂 soul...
@@christineayres5339 the new cars look way better.
@@zokay1121 lmfao trolling me 😂😂😂
That's insane that these men were able to tame these beasts to any level. Just an immense, immense amount of power in a lightweight car.
And manual transmission on these days, without traction control , abs or esp
@@bombacimulayim1453Or any regards to safety! I miss the turbo era 😢
@PanzerChicken69 Because everyone wants to see drivers dying horrible deaths, huh? A lot of the people praising this era for "little downforce, Manual transmission, no assists and no fancy safety features!!" Weren't even alive to see it in person. I myself wasn't, and I don't see why anyone misses the huge disregard for human life that was prevalent across all of motorsport back in the day, it took F1 50 years to make a decent amount of progress towards safety, and lots of drivers had to die for that to happen, it's insane how people can romanticize the lack of safety so much, but I guess it's easy when it's not your life that's being risked.
@@LaCreatura-uz2gn Humans die eventually. Drivers choose thos job. Nobody chains them to the driver seat. if they die it's solely their fault.
@bombacimulayim1453 Just because humans die eventually it doesn't mean it's right to throw safety out of the window because everyone dies some day, that's a horrible take. Nobody forced people to work in horrible conditions in the 1910s but everyone agrees that workers' rights were a good thing and that workplace safety is a great achievement for humanity, Motorsports is no different, no one forces them to drive, but that doesn't mean safety isn't needed. Was it Senna's fault his steering column failed? Was it Anthoine Hubert's fault he got T-boned? Was it Jules Bianchi's fault the race took place during a hurricane and a tractor was on the track with no safety car? Was it Dilano's fault it was raining too hard for a race to take place safely? None of those drivers were to blame for their deaths, and I could go on. I don't think any sane person would blame them for their accidents, and I really hope you don't agree with the absurd idea that casualties in Motorsports are exclusively the drivers' fault and that the people responsible for making the important decisions have no responsibility for anything.
Man, I am all goosebumps watching this!! Clouds of unburnt fuel, flame'age, crazy boost, 4 lap engines, turbo's and gearboxes, on the edge of control, THIS is F1, not the BS nonsense we suffer today!
11:29 acceleration is devilish !!
I was at this race. They all sounded rough on day one. Getting progressively smoother and faster each session. The sound was unforgettable.
F1 was thrilling in the 80's. I'd watch all the qualifying and the races religiously. God I can't bear watching what we've got now. To me it's painfully boring.
A tachometer that doesn't read below 6K RPM. That says it all.
Indeed
Don't worry. We have 1.6l v6's............
Thats like saying "Dont worry everything will be... RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!"
Yea.....Pretty much :P
:D..........
Which are incredibly advanced and efficient and also have a enormous amount of power from such a minuscule capacity (650-700hp)... Not to mention the turbo and Energy Recovery System's in place to make up the complete power unit (additional 180-200hp). This is complete sarcasm of course!!! HAHA This is the future, like it or not... Unfortunately this is the way F1 is going... But the technology now is amazing, you have to admit... With F1 presently, it's always a win/lose situation :(
Nothing like these cars!
Some scary shit. Berger goes through his five gears in a matter of seconds while accelerating. No time to take your hand of the gear lever.
That crazy bastard was one handing the wheel in a 1400+ horsepower car
i hope he was using HIS hand, not mine
Facing death on almost every corner
Love the large toggle switch for rear lights
1:02 this is known as an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature, or Thermometer) it actually exists to prevent the loss of an engine. If the turbo fails and the exhaustion gases rose dramatically, the driver could pull over and shut the engine off before it exploded, which it actually did a whole lot, with or without the EGT
Wow i love when Jackie Stewart explains something. Every thing he says sinks in immediately 👍
These were real F1's... not like the electric powered slotcars we endure today
I agree, F1 is boring at the moment, I would rather watch the Wec races because at least their racing.
maverick buckley Why Maverick? Why is that whinging. Have you ever been to an F1 race or for that matter even seen the old turbo's?
I have seen most versions of F1 live... the current one is terrible.
Cheers
+maverick buckley lol
Who the hell even watch his new F1?
jeez, get with the times, everything is electric now.
you dont wish u still have your old brick phone instead your iphone do you?
we all love the pure mechanical cars, we all do. but you cant always live in the past.
No one:
Sir Jackie Stuart:
WRONG! The one on the left is capable of 80 laps, the one on the right just 4 fast laps!!!!
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@@krispy3790 WRONG! The one on the left is capable of 48 laps, the one on the right is a qyalifying special and will last only 4 laps
That tour through the controls was especially cool. There was a certain purity to the stick shift and plain steering wheel days of F1.
Remember how this Benetton, not in the curves, but when the engine pumped all power this car went ahead like a rocket.
Wonderful times! Better than the 'wish I could' cars from today...
I remember the turbocharge era pretty well in the 1980's and I went to the Montreal GP every year back then. Todays F1 cars sound like lawnmowers!
lawnmowers sounds far better than present F1 cars
That's an insult to lawnmowers😂
What a fantastic clip!!….ah Jackie.
That’s pretty impressive for a dyslexic Sir Jackie!
Great days in F1
It amazes me to no end the power you can actually get out of a quite small engine, with turbos and tuning… when you only need to get a couple hundred miles out of it instead of 100,000 miles.
In Gran Turismo Sport, there's different F1-cars available, including a classic +1000hp one with about the same cockpit as the one in the video.
When you drive it without traction control (or any other help), you get an idea of how difficult it would have been to keep complete control of such beasts AND win a race! :)
I do 2 laps in that thing and I'm tired.
The rear end wants to slide out when boost kicks in
I appreciate Marlboro ciggys with my Motorsports
Wow! That was racing! I love the cockpit and everything analog!
Jackie explains the cockpit with a golden ring and a shiny "Rolex". Priceless, true gent
Omg I miss those two guys Murray Walker and James Hunt...
Was that the same James Hunt who won a championship?
@@n0tepad yeah
Totally agree...I don’t even watch F1 these days. You can trace the decline in interest (for me anyway) to when MW packed it in.
This is Haas-Ford car from 1986 . V6 with two turbos . BMW inlane-4 have one turbo
Simply incredibles times, miss that F1 so much!!!
That pinky ring is serious
Ah the good old days. Love seeing videos like this!
Wow, The BOOST!!! 😳 You can run 60-70psi when you use straight toluene for fuel!
The benetton bmw got the boost up to 80+psi, 5.6 bars, ~1500 hp.. and the fuel had way more interesting things into it besides toluene^^
Ivelina Markova Wow you must have been on the team, that’s awesome 🫡
@@clarissafarmer3547 i wasn't on the team, i just quote the people who built the engine and were responsible for it and how it performs
Ivelina Markova Just kidding, I was just saying what I thought the exact numbers where, but I’m always keen to learn, do you know what else was in the fuel?
@@clarissafarmer3547 well, since there were amounts of the world war 2 german fighter jet fuel into it, i guess some nitrous oxide.. and even funkier things! it's been called some funky names like : designers exotic cocktail, rocketfuel, ww2 nazi fuel, napalm.. and the car was said to be like a bomb, a rocket, a handgrenade after the 5-6 bars of boost kicked in. The car was a pure monster, only it took alien skills to manage to operate it at full potential, and the engine was unreliable as fk, sadly
Crazy times:
Aerodynamics: Yes
Engine: Monster
Tyres: Yes untill too hot
Aero of that era kind of mid in terms of sophistication
For me pure f1 is on the v10 era. The v12 were hella beasts, but for me the v6 turbos were just ruthless undriveable machines
Imagine a V10 turbo
Extra undrivable
Back before all those electronic gizmos.
Real car. Amazing technology.
1450 hp with a 4 cyl 1.5 lt? WTF
Yes, in qualifying tune.
The engine might manage a few laps then before it’s *done.*
They had to back them off some to get them to finish a race.
great cars, great drivers, great track, great city, great country