Anne Lister: The First Modern Lesbian (Gentleman Jack)
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You can read more about Anne Lister here:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_life_and_loves_of_anne_lister
www.annelister.co.uk/
Thank you for watching! Jx
I’m sure you may have listened to it but I literally found out about this story today whilst listening to Stephen Fry’s Victorian secrets. It’s a really good series if you haven’t had a listen yet 😀
Please please please get bigger merch I really want some but I'm bigger than 2xl! Also why not have a hoodie/jumper with a zip to make thinks easier! I need zip up as I find it easier on my wheelchair! Love your channel!
Since you love the Tudors so much, you should check out Six. It's a pop musical about the six wives of Henry VIII. I'd be curious to see what you think of it
@Lesbian Amazon Sister not a problem TH-cam is strange like that 😀
@@cathcritchley5423 thanks for the heads up. I'm on my way to listen now. I bet it's really good. Thank you again.
Recently Google had a doodle about a woman scientist, being one myself, I went to Wikipedia to learn a bit. It said that "she never married and bought a farm with one female FRIEND whom with she lived her entire life"
Are you kidding me? Friend?
We need more historical lesbians and thank you, Jessy, for doing the research and being our teacher.
Nyli the Frenchy Who?
This may be stating the obvious but with the times being what they were, most gay and lesbian couples weren't exactly open about it. This means that who was and wasn't, wasn't always obvious. In cases where it's practically plastered on a billboard, some still choose to adopt the default assumption that "it wasn't obvious for reasons. With the number of people that contribute to a wikipedia article, never mind the number of possible revisions, who can say?
Who was it? Im curious
@Sam Reeves Yes she' s the one. Thank you for sharing the link.
Sorry everybody I should have include the name.
@@Nyli. your comment was great. Got people talking if not thinking. X
Fun fact I’m gay and Anne Lister is one of my distant ancestors (we carried the Lister name to two generations before me)
Same, many of my ancestors were gay, bisexual and incestous and I inherited all of that
You're so lucky to have Anne Lister in your family line 🥺💕
@@countessofalava6532 you’re incestuous??? 😟
I am possibly a distant in law through my Dawson connections to the Marsden family. Anne Lister also visited the ladies of Llangollen, Eleanor Butler and Sarah Ponsonby who were distant cousins of mine.
How awesome!
Honestly, don’t we all have lots of feelings about the tudors?
Don’t you mean the victorians...?
Yulz W oh yes definitely
I'm not even British and I have thoughts on the Tudors. Ok on one Tudor. It's Henry the 8th. And it's hate. But still
I am 100% invested in Gentleman Jack and I cannot stop this
Preach 🙌🏻
TH-cam: Even more Tati and James
Me: ooh Jessica talking about Anne
I'm subtitling this for HBO (I'm a translator) and I'm obsessed. This is an amazing story and such a well written show! Smitten from the first glimpse.
Really? I am just 14 year old. I'd like to become a translator when I am older !!
@@elenaherreriascanas4693 Subtitling is fun but it doesn't pay very well, just so you know! :D
@GiRayne Sure I'm doing Gentleman Jack justice, no question. Researching language varieties is my passion.
I have an MA in English and translating and also did a local course specifically about dubbing and subtitling. Hungarian is a very isolated language, so everything needs to be dubbed/subtitled really. Obviously I prefer subtitling. :)
My sister is a translator and wants to do subtitling too! She already did one project, subtitling a film for a local indie film festival and loved it, and once did a special course on subtitling where they practiced translating comedy and songs. No really related to what you said but I got excited seeing some that does the same thing as my sister lol
Hi! I don't know if you'll see this but do you mind sharing where you found the job opportunity? I'm finishing up language school and am looking for a job
Ann Walker did not check herself into asylum. She was forced, after her bro in law, aka @hole, argued for and had her “diagnosed” insane. He finally inherited her fortune, and then died a year later. Her aunt two years later, asked to have Ann return to her estate. Her aunt then died, and Ann inherited Shibden Hall again for 9 years, finding out Anne Lister’s truths (snd lies) about her worth. Both women, are incredible in their own way.
Thank you Chantall, that is interesting. I was curious about the machinations in what occurred with poor AW.
Yes George Mackay Sutherland was an actual a hole. an arrogant piece of work. Thank you for putting the record straight!
yes we all want a beauty and the beast style library
Everything about Anne Lister's life and legacy comes down to pure luck. Luck that she found herself in a spot where she had complete financial freedom (even though her brothers had to die for her to obtain Shibden Hall), luck that she thought to record her every waking moment in secret code, luck that her prolific diaries were never destroyed either by time, the elements, or her descendants, luck that they were discovered at all. I'm so thankful that the universe seemed to conspire to ensure Anne's legacy wasn't erased so that future historians and sapphics alike could have a rare, clear view into one historical lesbian's life.
To me it‘s not the universe but a combination of coincidences. All of them combined seem very unlikely, for sure. But given how many queer* people must have existed throughout history - many of whom we know nothing or very little about or can‘t be sure if or how they were queer - it‘s not that unlikely that there would be clearer records of at least a few of them. And Ann Lister isn‘t a too unlikely canidate to be among this few: She was rich, had the ability to write, had the ability to write in code and had enough time to write.
* and even ‚queer’ is kind if ahistorical for people who lived before that term was commonplace - in the lack of a better word
Interesting series.
Can you talk about Sappho next time? It would be really interesting
Linguista in erba I learned about Sappho at school OOF
There's actually not much known about Sappho. Even complete versions of her poems are rare. It might be difficult to find enough to make a video. -S
@@marianaortiz4515 her husband's apparent name is a joke... its dick allcocks of man island or something
Gen Allen
We love a lesbian with a sense of humour.
@@broseidon1658 Sappho was bisexual! I’m lesbian, by the way, and while I certainly would love more lesbian icons in history I think it’s important to acknowledge women who are bi too for the wlw community
New merch quote idea: "I ruddy love a little hike!"
It basically says "I like girls" but in a subtle way.
Just so nobody is confused when watching the show that picture of Eliza she showed is of Eliza Priestley ( Anne L 's friend and Ann W's Cousin) Not Eliza Raine .
Alexis Dash yeah because Eliza Raine was darker skinned I think which is why she was away from the other girls in the school for being different and Anne was away from the other girls as well because she was different too.
Thanks, I was very confused. I assumed it had been some narrative liberty of the show...
Ann Walker didn't check her into the asylum she was committed by her gold digging brother in law (her sister's husband ) so he could gained control her and Anne L's estate because Anne left her everything including Shibden Hall. She did leave the asylum after two years her aunt brought her home to Crow Nest/ Cliff Hill . She gained back control of Anne's Estate too but stayed at Cliff Hill until she died in 1854 at the age of 51.
Anne would 100% be a goth butch lesbian today. 10/10 would date.
You're an excellent teacher, and I'd love more LGBT history lessons!
So glad you covered Anne Lister. What a story. And we're so fortunate to have her diaries giving us all the juicy details. There's been a few documentaries about Anne Lister, and I saw another dramatic version called The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister a few years back, when it was floating around the LGBT film festivals. But Suranne Jones is so good in this role! I've really enjoyed the four episodes of Gentleman Jack that have been released in Canada so far! Can't wait until Monday when the new one is out!
Damn I love it when you make videos like this
Love your username and comment! Doctor who and Jessica are the best!
Love your username and comment! Doctor who and Jessica are the best!
Srsly, after watching 'Gentleman Jack', I want a girlfriend who looks at me the same way as Anne Lister looks at Ann Walker or the other way around.
The way they look at each other gives me goosebumps. Such great acting.
Also thanks Jessica for these videos.
i would love it if jessica talked about the moomin's author!
i dont know if she wants to only talk about british people (wait she has done one on an american lady and a mexican too hmm) , but i feel like she would make it so interesting!
@@marianaortiz4515 yea! i didnt know that about her niece, but i think we should relay on Tove's own account of her sexuality to give her labels, but i juqt know that she was lesbian because i read a book in which her story is told. and in another story she wrote, two inseparable 'friends' hold a suitcase between them a'd we later discover that the secret inside is love so i think Tove kind of wrote about herself
Ann and Anne are just the original Rose and Rosie 🌹
Beatrice Markwell holy shit
Nah
Mind = blown
Nobody:
Me watching Gentleman Jack in sapphic excitement: I hope Jessica makes a historical accuracy video on Anne Lister...
Just to let you know, you really inspire me. I may not be "actually" disabled but I have ADD and Autism, and I relate to some of your stories. You also show me, a young lesbian, that I one day may get married and have my own family just like you and Claudia. Thank you so much, Jessica.
ADHD and autism are disabilities. It's in the name, neurodevelopmental disabilities
I'm autistic and I consider it a disability because it has a large impact on my ability to work and be independent
Hey Saga, I have ADHD and possibly Autism.. both of those are disabilities. Just because yours isn't physical, does not make it any less impactful.
Ooo! On the topic of First Lesbians, might you do a video on Sappho (especially considering she might just have rivalled Lister as most prolific lesbian writer if we hadn't have lost so much of her work!)?
Sappho was Bi. Not a lesbian
pretty sure sappho was bi (that's how it seems considering she had male and female lovers that she seemed very passionate about)
@@nellien4802 Sappho was literally a Lesbian, as she was born and lived on the island of Lesbos. But, I get your meaning.
....Anyways Sappho was a Lesbian
Beverley She was bi and bi erasure in history is a huge problem.
OMG Anne seducing all the women in one home gave me flashbacks to Shane from the L Word seducing the sisters and the mom. I remember laughing thinking "this is such fiction, this doesn't happen in real life obviously" only for Anne Lister (lesbian legend) to have done this 200 years ago and IN THE 1800S NO LESS!! I got to stan this lesbian queen. Watching this show and reading more about her life has def given me the confidence with my own sexuality. If Anne could live proudly back in the 1800s, I surely could do so in this modern day.
I love Gentleman Jack! I've ordered books about her from our library. Anne is facinating and so damn smart. I am so glad I'm learning her story!
Just started watching because I found out that the only Lesbian thing my dad knows about is gentlemen Jack. Since he has seen this TV program he is now excepting of Lesbians Yay! I’m still not out yet and I think my Dad kind of already knows. I’ve not seen this and I hope that gentlemen Jack is a positive thing :)
wish I could like this more than once!!! ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Percy Darling SAME
Anne Lister, iconic amongst the LGBT community
she's just so iconic in general honestly ! what a rad lady
@@bigbootyblonde might want to watch the whole video lol she did some questionable things as well
Dismal Doll I think Sappho takes that title
As a gay history nerd this made me so happy!! I hope the show comes overseas :)
One of my favorite historical figures! I read her diary in college and instantly fell in love. I'm so happy that "Gentlemen Jack" has brought her story to a broader audience.
"I still ruddy love a little hike!" 😂
I love this video so much. It's awesome. Thank you for making it 😊
I love the term "Sapphic excitement"
I never knew anything about Anne Lister this is amazing!
While I haven’t yet seen “Gentleman Jack,” I have seen and can recommend, “The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister,” a bio-pic done in 2010. Maxine Peake is amazing in the title role and may add a little something to your avocation of “English Historian.” 🌿
Both Gentleman Jack and The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister are really great .
Secret diaries of miss Anne Lister concentrates on Anne's relationship with Mariana, gentleman jack on her relationship with Ann Walker and the way she conducts business matters. Both a good.
Hmm.... The comment about reconciling being Christian AND a lesbian makes me want to hear Jessica's exegesis re Ruth and Naomi. And other bits.
I, too, am a [birthrith] Quaker and taught first day school and sang in the choir and was a counselor at our camp, Quaker Haven, and did all of the things.... When I first figured out that I was completely and hopelessly gay, one of the first things I did in a fit of panic was consult what early Quakers thought. I relaxed, but began to study things differently.
Ruth would be the woman who was close to her mother-in-law. I can't see a sexual or romantic relationship in that story.
Australian Quakers are loudly inclusive, and strongly supported the Gay Marriage Referendum. It is not like that worldwide with the Quakers, so I believe.
Just watched the whole season! OMG IT IS SO GOOD AND I GIGGLE LIKE A LITTLE GIRL BECAUSE I LOVE ALL THE GAYNESS!
I’m living for when you say “money doesn’t buy you happiness- but it does give you a better shot at it” 😆
Hi dear Thank you for the video. But i think the only thing wrong in what you said is that Eliza Priestley is different from Eliza rain. The first is british woman and Ann Walker's cousin's wife, it is the one you showed in your video and the second one is her first love who is half indian and darker skinned woman as per Lister's diaries. Rain was admitted at Clifton Asylum owned by Marianne dad. Just saying ;)
A caseworker at a DV shelter I worked at used to say money doesn't buy happiness but it buys options when asked why we only had "poor" people in our shelter.
I don't even know how many men and women I've taken Communion with. Do I have thousands of husbands and wives that I didn't know about? I wonder how my wife will take this news.
Church ought to bless polyamory, too
Jessica, I love your videos. You're one of the only creators who I will always watch their videos no matter on what. Love youuuuu.
HUFFLEPUFF BUDDY!
I'ma Ravenclaw for life...
@@brainpowerhill7228 haha, hello to another potterhead!!
Same here. ☺
I think you my lovely woman, are what I've needed for a long time now. A woman who has a shirt on that says "because gay", who has a hairstyle that I keep seeing in the covers of the vintage records I adore and search for and who has a make up reminding me of Celia Foote in The Help. Soooo, I love ya and thank you.
It's great to learn of her! Though claims that GNC historical women must have been "transmen" always feels like it's missing the point. Until women truly have the rights, autonomy, and freedom equal to men, any cross-dressing or transgender claims must be taken with a grain of salt. Lack of access alongside misogyny can be severely internalized and makes for some strong ulterior motives.
i binged gentleman jack yesterday and my little lesbian heart has been losing her mind
Jessica I love this video for teaching about an fairly unknown woman for the lgbt community but what I love even more is the phrase “lesbian depression”
I can't wait to watch the programme on Sunday!!!
I’m actually so excited to watch this series
I just love your channel. I could listen to you talk about anything!!
Im loving the show! Im so glad you're talking about it, as your videos are always so entertaining and historical ❤️
I had no idea Sally Wainwright was involved omg I can't wait to watch it even more now ❤️ such a talent
I have been loving this show! I’m so glad you did this video, I can’t believe I didn’t see it sooner!
Notif squad, I'm so happy you covered this! I'm not able to watch the show but it looks super cool and interesting! 💚
I do believe that there is a movie about her that was streaming on Amazon. I saw it last year, but unfortunately, cannot recall the title.
I absolutely LOVE your side thought comments with these history lesson videos! You're honestly the first person to get me interested in history! I HATED history in school (I didn't believe half of what they told me because so much was omitted!) I thank you for these videos, and always, love listening to you talk, and love your cameo dog appearances! :)
Love you soooooooooo much Jessica. You're a wonderful human.
I LOVE this series !!! So much work put into it and it's wonderfully interesting !
Great one, always love a gay history video!
Have you seen "Colette" with Keira Knightley ?
No. Can you please send a link? Appreciate in advance if you're able or actually do. Xxx
Didn't like that one at all. It's really just about a couple who sleeps with the same people behind eachothers back..... Not a very good movie, sorry. Boring
l0n3wolf89 still better than Carol
@@annajones2232 nope, sorry, but I disagree :-) Carol is a class of it's own. Colette is an interesting movie, but I would never recommend anyone to see it just based on the "lesbian content", it's not worth the time or energy. To each their own, I mean.... There are people our there who think that Kristen Stewart is attractive 🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮😱😱😱😱
Jessica you are the perfect person to tell this story! Love this ❤️💛💚💙💜
Thank you so much for talking about this!!! I have been a fan of Anne and her diaries for years after seeing the original 2010 movie, and no one has talked about her! The series is incredible, and needs so much more popularity!!
I have been so excited to start this and your video just furthered my enthusiasm!
Honestly adore the tv show, I started it the other day and my heart!!!! Also the costumes are wonderful, they almost never do the right curls for late Georgian period! I’m so happy you’re talking about this :) 💕❤️💕
I really can't express how valuable this show has been for me in terms of representation. I'm a huge Jane Austen fan; to be able to see two women acting within that context has been so defining, eye opening, and heart warming 🌈💖😍
I can't wait for each episode and general article about this story. So I purchased the ebook & read in a day. Satisfied with one word "wow!".
Another brilliant historical video! My favorite! ❤
This is such an interesting story! Thanks for the video Jessica!
I'm so hyped to watch the series now!
my girlfriend and I love watching this show, and I'm really glad you talked about it. I have tried to write about such things in my own journals, but my hand and brain get tired after an hour or so and I give up
I love you so much, and THANK YOU for telling us about gentlemen Jack. Didn't know that was going to be a show! I love this channel so much
It already is, episode 3 has aired this week !
@@ewenconquet6842 really? Thank you so much for,telling me!
That eyebrow quirk after calling her an f boy made the video for me XD
I love historical lesbian stuff. If you have time, I would adore a deep dive into the world of Natalie Clifford Barney, Liane De Pougy, Renee Vivian and the Belle Epoque lesbians (you have a more probable trans man in the mix there too). Alla Nazimova and her world of sewing circles could be fun...either one would give you a whole cast of sapphic ladies.
Me* a shy bi lady living vicariously through both Anne and Ann. When she looks right at the camera i swoon. friggen love the show. Excellent video!!! 💓💜💙
I’m so excited for this series! Thank you Jessica for this delightful video ☺️
Also there already is a TV movie about Anne Lister, it’s called ‘The secret diaries of miss Anne Lister’ also brought out by the BBC, it’s worth watching! Have a nice day everyone 😊
I just watched the first few episodes of Gentlemen Jack, and I’m hooked!! Such a great show about a fascinating person! Thanks for the history lesson Jessica!! :)
This video was so informative and now I'm even more excited to watch the series on BBC1!
LOVED this video! Thank you!
Who else would love a video of Jessica just ripping on Henry the 6th
Outstanding Jessica. Thank you.
Thanks for making another excellent & awesome video that was somehow exactly what I was looking for!
Madam Kellgren-Fozard, you are very astonishing, I really appreciate your videos and I do hope you upload some more. Have a wonderful week.
Oh my God I loved this video so much.
Thank you thank you thank you for making it
This was an awesome surprise! I've been watching the show on HBO and think Anne fascinating and sharp as a tack! I adore this type of video from you, and would love to see more. Then again, I'd watch a video of you reading the phone book, because I love your style and voice so much!
I’m beyond heartbroken that Gentleman Jack didn’t last more than two seasons. I’ve watched it several times because it brings me so much joy. I really want to read what they’ve translated of her diaries. I know this video is three years old and I’m just seeing it for the first time, but it was suggested in the latest video on Hortense. Fantastic work as usual ❤
The best series I've seen, just LOVED it!
I stumbled across this video for looking for more information about gentleman Jack because I love the show and I’m so excited that I found you another queer woman who is married and has great opinions on life 👌🏾👌🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Enjoyed your presentation of Gentlemen Jack, I'm a Gentle women myself and have always enjoyed tales of Anne.
I love the show, and I’m so happy to see you’ve made a video about Anne! I was actually wondering if you’d be interested in her story.
I’m waiting for episode 5 now, and let me just tell you without spoilers: it’s the best wlw story of last MILLENNIUM! It’s so addictive I’m excited for you for all you’re about to see.
Sending lots of love and good vibes your way. :)
I didn't know about the series until now and OMG I thank you deeply for talking about it!! I had an instant crush on Suranne Jones!!! Such a interesting and intriguing story. Keep it up Jessica, you are lovely as always. All the love to you!
Was waiting for you to do this 😊
You're hilarious you're an incredible storyteller those historical videos awesome 🙏🏾
Anne lister was a very interesting and bold person and I 'm deeply addicted to Sally wainwright serie
Your videos are always to we'll done, interesting, and informative! On a side note, you have to most amazing voice!! I wish I had your voice!
I recently started watching the show and I clicked on this so fast! Thanks for this vid!!
You are sooo nice to listen to and I love watching your history videos as cause I love history and I find you make it even more interesting.
Permission means it's not cheating,the husband not thinking it "counts" because it's not a man is what should make people mad since not everyone is monogamous. I'm also going to point out that money does help to bring contentness , because people with money can live mostly however they want (with reasonable consideration for laws).
Since watching this video I went and watched all 4 eps of Gentlemen Jack, I loved it so much. Also you look really pretty and your hair is amazing 🤗🥰
Excellent video! Loooove all your videos, but specially the history ones! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaseeeeee keep doing them!
By the rules of traditional marriage, which was a business contract between two families, sexual relations between a married woman and another woman wasn't adultery - there was no risk of conceiving a child out of wedlock, so it wasn't a problem.
Clever as always!
love the video! and love gentleman jack its incredible!
Fascinating! Thank you!! We now have to waaaaiitttt here in Au for Gentleman Jack.
As soon as I finished watching this video I binge watched all 4 episodes of Gentleman Jack! Thanks Jessica!