I had 128GB (4x32GB 6000Mhz EXPO DDR-5) running at 4800Mhz. For better performance in Puget Bench (Davinci resolve,) I was using only 64GB 2x32GB as they run with no problem at 6000Mhz. To have something in between 96GB, I upgraded today to 2x48GB DDR5 6400Mhz XMP, and to my big surprise, this is slower in the benchmarks than the 2x32GB at 6000MHZ, (with the AMD 7950x). I wasn't expecting this. Also, some RAM benchmarks are strange as the read speed is slightly slower by 1%, and the write speed is 6% faster with the 6400MHZ RAM.
it's slower because you stopped running in 2:3 mode as is designed between the infinity fabric clock and the memory clock resulting in a large performance penalty. The infinity fabric's default frequency is 2000mhz and 6000MT/s ram runs at 3000mhz. Unless you overclock your infinity fabric to 2133mhz, it will no longer be running in 2:3 mode when u have 3200mhz (6400MTs) ram installed.
Consistent with my experience of the past couple years and my workstations I built with a ProArt motherboard. I'm not into video but stills, rather, and apps like Adobe Camera Raw (ACR - the raw processing plug-in used by Lightroom Classic (LrC) and Photoshop (Ps)), as well as LrC and Ps, frequently get me above 32GB. When ACR does raw processing from a 14-bits file, it generates a ProPhoto colour space image into LrC's workspace and that's mor than your monitor can render (so LrC adapts rendition to that). The overall precision used in generating the image in the workspace depends on the horizontal resolution of your display(s). If you have 2x 4K displays, then this can wreak havoc on your system's memory consumption. A 16GB notebook with two GPUs and 4GB physical video RAM would just crash on that. (And Windows is still like MS-DOS: Maybe Some-Day an Operating System). With 64GB, the sky is the limit. I can run LrC (that triggers ACR), take images into Ps, while running several office apps, and playing music or a video. The biggest bottleneck is video RAM. I still sport a 1080ti with 11Gb and as soon as Adobe started to seriously use the GPU for its stills image processing, performance increased. I frequently went over 8GB physical video RAM. Then, a year or so later, it seemed like the GPU performance benefit was degrading. Turned out that Windows (file) Explorer cached my on-line image drives with folder views set to "extra large icons", in ffing GPU RAM. As I did not see a tool to cut that back, I set these drives back to "details" views and problem solved. But not elegant. I built the system with a RAID 1 set for read intensive binaries (and some data) - binaries are never written into the page file but their pages are just forgotten temporarily and when the pages are needed back again they are read from the source. And I threw in a RAID 0 array for write bottlenecked data like image catalogues (databases), page file, cache folders. With the lowest latency RAM I could buy at the time, at normal clocks (no XMP even) the system scored 98th percentile in SPECMark - base clocks for longevity, reliability, endurance. Windows, a couple browser windows, and office apps, and the system is already at 20GB memory - using 1.4GB video RAM.
Whether you are a creator or whatever else, if you're breaking 80% of your available RAM on a regular basis, you're going to see a performance decrease and you'll likely benefit from extra memory...
When I got my Razer Blade Pro 3 years ago I upgraded to 64gb ram, doing really big edits like documentary with multiple 4k steams, grading and after effects and it made a big difference for me. I guess it depends on what you are doing as a " creator" I love the Proart but if only it had at least a rtx 4080 option. My Razer has a 3080 and even that struggles with bigger projects. Anyhow thanks for the great videos.
@@leevfx It depends on what you are doing, if you aren't doing really demanding GPU work then I would say this one is good, also had two thunderbolt ports which is great. For me though because I am a full time editor I wood take the Blade 16 because of the GPU and I don't care for the touchscreen on the Asus. I can't speak about the heat on the new 16 model but my 17 pro with the 3080 gets hot but not unbearable. I think all of these slim powerful laptops will get hot it just physics. The only question is do you need a higher spec gpu or not?
@@marcelduvenage3289 thanks, I do need the higher spec GPU as I am a VFX artist - so sounds like Razer is the way to go. I'll just keep a window open lol
Well, upgrading the ram myself voids the Asus warranty in my country(Egypt), I can't even buy the ram and let their service center install it, they force us to pay nearly 4X the price of the ram.
I'd be interested in seeing how well 64GB ProArt handles exports and playback when you have multiple Adobe apps open simultaneously (PSD, AI, AE, PR, AU) and say multiple comps nested in AE. There was a demo somewhere showing that the MacBook M2 Max 96GB option seemed to be the fastest beast in export and rendering, though couldn't see Puget benchmarks on that; and now there's M3 Max with 128 GB option. I wonder if the NextGen ProArt will allow further RAM upgrades.
@TechNotice - I've built an AMD 7950X on an Asus X670e ProArt.. I went all out and installed 128GB ram, as Im a bedroom producer, and getting into Orchestral scores. *Yep, I can quickly fill that 128GB up. Do you think that there will ever be a BIOS/Firmware update that allows me to run the ram at advertised speed with an EXPO profile, rather than the 3200Mhz I'm getting now? Or is it technically not possible with AM5 and dual channel ram?
Great commercial for ProArt. @TechNotice can you test IO speeds of this laptop? There is smth wrong here. SD Express card slot is a joke as theoreticaly only fast when using Express cards nobody has, and its not back compatible with UHS-II or UHS-III, on typical SD cards its only up to 90MB/s. TB ports can go only up to 10Gbps which is 4x slower than Thunderbolt could go.
Just Lightroom eats up at least 12GB of RAM like it is nothing, so even 32GB is tight nowadays. I only hate that my ProArt RAM dropped from 5200Mhz to 4800Mhz after adding a Crucial 32GB 5600Mhz stick. DONT GET THE CRUCIAL RAM for ProArt.
Sorry, but i have to say you should buy a ram kit and not just add another stick to a random SI installed stick. Ram kits are pairs with similar timings, although what you're doing isn't "bad" you MAY be leaving performance on the table.
I remember i use 16gb of ram on my pc for my architecture work. I use a lot of photoshop and its still bottleneck. Now i upgrade the ram to 32gb and its still not enough. I wonder does my 3600 ryzen 5 is the bottle neck since my friend with intel 5 10th gen with 16gb still perform more than my pc. He even use multiple apps at once compared to mine just photoshop
I genuinely wonder how much difference dual-channel vs. quad-channel would make on new Intel W790 workstation desktops? I'm still on older X99/DDR4 platform with quad-channel 4x8GB kit and it works great
Slightly off topic, on your desktop, when using premiere pro, do you see similar increases when you go from 64gb to 128gb? Is it worth the money or is it overkill? I've heard that premiere pro is a beast and that it will utilize all the ram you feed it.
Hello. Why don't you show us the speed values when testing memory with 1 ddr5 stick and with a second stick installed? For example, I would like to see the test and values in AIDA64 Cache & memory Benchmark. Thank you
Hello, I recently purchased a laptop and I'm considering upgrading the memory. If I buy a single 32GB RAM stick running at 5200MT/s, will it operate in dual-channel mode? I'm unsure because I don't know if it needs to be the same brand or if that affects its compatibility. Additionally, what would be the best M.2 storage option to install in this laptop?
I glad I upgraded to 64gb ram when I replaced my laptop. I do a lot of Photoshop and LR. Anyone know Apple Mac Books with 16 or 32 gb ram times? Apple loves their Ram and you can't upgrade.
Not really worth going to 64gb yet if you dont have a use case for that much ram. Plenty of games will use close to or over 16gb for sure. But never more then 32gb without sone mods or bugs. But again, for some productivity stuff. You can for sure use over 32gb. But assuming you are editing in that laptop. I doubt that you would be doing files so large that it would be helpful. But i guess there is always the ram disc option, lol.
Bro please help me I have a Ryzen 9 3900x - 3060ti - 32gb Ram I make videos with the canon r6 and sometimes strugles with the footage on premier pro The playback isn´t good. I want to upgrade my setup but i dont know if i should buy a : Intel i9 13900k with 64gb of ram or a Mackbook pro Can you please make a real world comparative between macbook m2 pro vs I913900k ? so we can see a real world workflow speeds comparative between these machines. Thanks Love your channel. From CHILE !
I have what may be a stupid question I live in the UK if I buy part from the USA will parts will work in UK And will parts work together that come from both Countries in the same build Other than part supply (PSU) That won’t work UK
If you test the single 16GB ddr5 against 2 8GB I think you will find that ddr5 runs in dual channel mode even with one dimm installed it seems to split the channels on the dimm itself
It's more complicated than that. Yes, DDR5 will split for dual channel with a single stick, but since it's a single stick it also means the bandwidth is halved - so you can run both channels at the same time from one stick, but each channel only supports half capacity of transfer rate. So dual slot is still better.
@@Real_MisterSir I am waiting to see a good single vs dual ddr5 benchmark but from what I understand it runs as 2 8GB dimms. The channels are split left and right not front to back
yeah we are seeing a direct impact from the last video of the comparisons when we saw it bottlenecked in the tests, i'm just gonna say that the proart series in general could be the right elegant solution to be the best creative professionals workstation laptop even above the MacBook lineup as long as asus will let it be premium as the ROG series laptops
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why can't more channels focus on creators like you do. love your channel dude.
Don't give others ideas; I wanna see TN reach 1 mill uncontested
I had 128GB (4x32GB 6000Mhz EXPO DDR-5) running at 4800Mhz. For better performance in Puget Bench (Davinci resolve,) I was using only 64GB 2x32GB as they run with no problem at 6000Mhz. To have something in between 96GB, I upgraded today to 2x48GB DDR5 6400Mhz XMP, and to my big surprise, this is slower in the benchmarks than the 2x32GB at 6000MHZ, (with the AMD 7950x). I wasn't expecting this. Also, some RAM benchmarks are strange as the read speed is slightly slower by 1%, and the write speed is 6% faster with the 6400MHZ RAM.
it's slower because you stopped running in 2:3 mode as is designed between the infinity fabric clock and the memory clock resulting in a large performance penalty. The infinity fabric's default frequency is 2000mhz and 6000MT/s ram runs at 3000mhz. Unless you overclock your infinity fabric to 2133mhz, it will no longer be running in 2:3 mode when u have 3200mhz (6400MTs) ram installed.
would have loved to see the performance numbers with a pair of 16GB modules
Great video. So, did you try to upgrade to 96GB? Crucial already sells 48GB single sticks and 96GB kits.
I am also interested if anyone has tried upgrading to 96GB (48GB x2) or 128GB (64GB x2) is it being recognized and utilized?
Consistent with my experience of the past couple years and my workstations I built with a ProArt motherboard. I'm not into video but stills, rather, and apps like Adobe Camera Raw (ACR - the raw processing plug-in used by Lightroom Classic (LrC) and Photoshop (Ps)), as well as LrC and Ps, frequently get me above 32GB. When ACR does raw processing from a 14-bits file, it generates a ProPhoto colour space image into LrC's workspace and that's mor than your monitor can render (so LrC adapts rendition to that). The overall precision used in generating the image in the workspace depends on the horizontal resolution of your display(s). If you have 2x 4K displays, then this can wreak havoc on your system's memory consumption. A 16GB notebook with two GPUs and 4GB physical video RAM would just crash on that. (And Windows is still like MS-DOS: Maybe Some-Day an Operating System).
With 64GB, the sky is the limit. I can run LrC (that triggers ACR), take images into Ps, while running several office apps, and playing music or a video.
The biggest bottleneck is video RAM. I still sport a 1080ti with 11Gb and as soon as Adobe started to seriously use the GPU for its stills image processing, performance increased. I frequently went over 8GB physical video RAM. Then, a year or so later, it seemed like the GPU performance benefit was degrading. Turned out that Windows (file) Explorer cached my on-line image drives with folder views set to "extra large icons", in ffing GPU RAM. As I did not see a tool to cut that back, I set these drives back to "details" views and problem solved. But not elegant.
I built the system with a RAID 1 set for read intensive binaries (and some data) - binaries are never written into the page file but their pages are just forgotten temporarily and when the pages are needed back again they are read from the source. And I threw in a RAID 0 array for write bottlenecked data like image catalogues (databases), page file, cache folders. With the lowest latency RAM I could buy at the time, at normal clocks (no XMP even) the system scored 98th percentile in SPECMark - base clocks for longevity, reliability, endurance.
Windows, a couple browser windows, and office apps, and the system is already at 20GB memory - using 1.4GB video RAM.
Great video sir a much needed one.
As always. Your videos are a masterclass. Possible to add D5 Render in your future test?
Whether you are a creator or whatever else, if you're breaking 80% of your available RAM on a regular basis, you're going to see a performance decrease and you'll likely benefit from extra memory...
Good rule to keep in mind, thanks!
**glances suspiciously at Chrome hitting 80% of 16GB RAM even before opening Premiere**
still Rocking Lenovo Legion 7 Gen 7 Amd (16") with 6700m upgraded the ram to 32GB and so far working like a charm
Upgraded my computer (not laptop) from 32gb to 64gb i was really big change! specially on fusion i resolve!
me currently sitting at 34.7gb/64gb with just lightroom and firefox open basically: yeah 64 is bare minimum at this point
I still like the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i Gen 8 Intel (16") with RTX 4090 better. 64 GB of RAM and Ports are on the back. Rocks for creators!
this is exactly what ive been wanting to see, most tests are so outdated
When I got my Razer Blade Pro 3 years ago I upgraded to 64gb ram, doing really big edits like documentary with multiple 4k steams, grading and after effects and it made a big difference for me. I guess it depends on what you are doing as a " creator" I love the Proart but if only it had at least a rtx 4080 option. My Razer has a 3080 and even that struggles with bigger projects. Anyhow thanks for the great videos.
how have you found the heat on the razer? I am torn between this and the new razer blade 16, but I've heard it has thermal issues
@@leevfx It depends on what you are doing, if you aren't doing really demanding GPU work then I would say this one is good, also had two thunderbolt ports which is great. For me though because I am a full time editor I wood take the Blade 16 because of the GPU and I don't care for the touchscreen on the Asus. I can't speak about the heat on the new 16 model but my 17 pro with the 3080 gets hot but not unbearable. I think all of these slim powerful laptops will get hot it just physics. The only question is do you need a higher spec gpu or not?
@@marcelduvenage3289 thanks, I do need the higher spec GPU as I am a VFX artist - so sounds like Razer is the way to go. I'll just keep a window open lol
Well, upgrading the ram myself voids the Asus warranty in my country(Egypt), I can't even buy the ram and let their service center install it, they force us to pay nearly 4X the price of the ram.
what? that's mental!
I'd be interested in seeing how well 64GB ProArt handles exports and playback when you have multiple Adobe apps open simultaneously (PSD, AI, AE, PR, AU) and say multiple comps nested in AE. There was a demo somewhere showing that the MacBook M2 Max 96GB option seemed to be the fastest beast in export and rendering, though couldn't see Puget benchmarks on that; and now there's M3 Max with 128 GB option. I wonder if the NextGen ProArt will allow further RAM upgrades.
@TechNotice - I've built an AMD 7950X on an Asus X670e ProArt.. I went all out and installed 128GB ram, as Im a bedroom producer, and getting into Orchestral scores. *Yep, I can quickly fill that 128GB up.
Do you think that there will ever be a BIOS/Firmware update that allows me to run the ram at advertised speed with an EXPO profile, rather than the 3200Mhz I'm getting now? Or is it technically not possible with AM5 and dual channel ram?
Great commercial for ProArt. @TechNotice can you test IO speeds of this laptop? There is smth wrong here. SD Express card slot is a joke as theoreticaly only fast when using Express cards nobody has, and its not back compatible with UHS-II or UHS-III, on typical SD cards its only up to 90MB/s. TB ports can go only up to 10Gbps which is 4x slower than Thunderbolt could go.
Sure wish Asus made this without the touch screen. that would be perfect
Just Lightroom eats up at least 12GB of RAM like it is nothing, so even 32GB is tight nowadays. I only hate that my ProArt RAM dropped from 5200Mhz to 4800Mhz after adding a Crucial 32GB 5600Mhz stick. DONT GET THE CRUCIAL RAM for ProArt.
I do hope they come up with a 48GB RAM stick. My laptop has 16GB soldered. With That I can upgrade it to 64GB in the future.
Sorry, but i have to say you should buy a ram kit and not just add another stick to a random SI installed stick. Ram kits are pairs with similar timings, although what you're doing isn't "bad" you MAY be leaving performance on the table.
32gb 3200 ddr4 is like, what? 70$? no brainer. memory is cheap now. get it. upgraded my HTPC (!) to 64gb, lol.
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I remember i use 16gb of ram on my pc for my architecture work. I use a lot of photoshop and its still bottleneck. Now i upgrade the ram to 32gb and its still not enough. I wonder does my 3600 ryzen 5 is the bottle neck since my friend with intel 5 10th gen with 16gb still perform more than my pc. He even use multiple apps at once compared to mine just photoshop
Hello, thanks for the video!
Please, tell us your opinion about the 48 GB kit ddr5. Is this the golden mean between 32 and 64? Is it worth it?
I am asking the same question. Did you dind an answer ?
@@stanislasflipo7214 No
I genuinely wonder how much difference dual-channel vs. quad-channel would make on new Intel W790 workstation desktops?
I'm still on older X99/DDR4 platform with quad-channel 4x8GB kit and it works great
Just make sure to buy the exact same RAM to minimize the chance of compatibility issues!
Just upgraded to 64 on my PC. Not laptop but it works so much better in my situation!
In my case I losed two more from 6 now it's 4😂
@@OnlyTech-gw4wt ooof I can't remember the last time RAM was that low lol
@@TheRedAnvil40 Yup 😂
Does this support the 48GB Dimms for possible 96GB configuration?
asking too. Did you get an answer ?
Slightly off topic, on your desktop, when using premiere pro, do you see similar increases when you go from 64gb to 128gb? Is it worth the money or is it overkill?
I've heard that premiere pro is a beast and that it will utilize all the ram you feed it.
Hello. Why don't you show us the speed values when testing memory with 1 ddr5 stick and with a second stick installed? For example, I would like to see the test and values in AIDA64 Cache & memory Benchmark. Thank you
Hello, I recently purchased a laptop and I'm considering upgrading the memory. If I buy a single 32GB RAM stick running at 5200MT/s, will it operate in dual-channel mode? I'm unsure because I don't know if it needs to be the same brand or if that affects its compatibility. Additionally, what would be the best M.2 storage option to install in this laptop?
I’m torn between the pro art and the 14” MBP m2 pro
As Always Upgrade if you can, i want upgrade my pc in the 64gb ram
I glad I upgraded to 64gb ram when I replaced my laptop. I do a lot of Photoshop and LR. Anyone know Apple Mac Books with 16 or 32 gb ram times? Apple loves their Ram and you can't upgrade.
Does it discharge while charging if under heavy sustained use?
What about 2x16gb dual channel vs 3x16gb single channel? I actually do have a extra 16gb lying around doing nothing.
Can you suggest in which cases will 128 Gb be needed of ddr4 RAM?
Hi, I have this laptop. Do you know if it would support 2x48gb ? The bios says 128bg across 8 ram sticks but the pc only has two physical connectors
Yeah, 2x48gb should work...
and a better wifi 411 or 1690 killer wifi
Not really worth going to 64gb yet if you dont have a use case for that much ram. Plenty of games will use close to or over 16gb for sure. But never more then 32gb without sone mods or bugs. But again, for some productivity stuff. You can for sure use over 32gb. But assuming you are editing in that laptop. I doubt that you would be doing files so large that it would be helpful. But i guess there is always the ram disc option, lol.
Bro please help me
I have a Ryzen 9 3900x - 3060ti - 32gb Ram
I make videos with the canon r6 and sometimes strugles with the footage on premier pro
The playback isn´t good.
I want to upgrade my setup but i dont know if i should buy a : Intel i9 13900k with 64gb of ram or a Mackbook pro
Can you please make a real world comparative between macbook m2 pro vs I913900k ? so we can see a real world workflow speeds comparative between these machines.
Thanks
Love your channel.
From CHILE !
I have what may be a stupid question
I live in the UK if I buy part from the USA will parts will work in UK
And will parts work together that come from both Countries in the same build
Other than part supply (PSU) That won’t work UK
Some come with 2 sticks at 32gb...
Can you replace the first 32G stick? Is it built in? Wondering if you can install 2 x 48G sticks?
First stick is replaceable, watch his other video on upgrading the DDR5 and SSD
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Does 96GB kit work? Would be awesome to see if it can support 2 x 48GB kit! 🤔
Just check what your mobo and cpu support.
I am also interested if anyone has tried upgrading to 96GB (48GB x2) or 128GB (64GB x2) is it being recognized and utilized?
My pc has 16gb and I’ve never seen it use more than 9 ever, no matter what I do.
If you test the single 16GB ddr5 against 2 8GB I think you will find that ddr5 runs in dual channel mode even with one dimm installed it seems to split the channels on the dimm itself
It's more complicated than that. Yes, DDR5 will split for dual channel with a single stick, but since it's a single stick it also means the bandwidth is halved - so you can run both channels at the same time from one stick, but each channel only supports half capacity of transfer rate. So dual slot is still better.
@@Real_MisterSir I am waiting to see a good single vs dual ddr5 benchmark but from what I understand it runs as 2 8GB dimms. The channels are split left and right not front to back
yeah we are seeing a direct impact from the last video of the comparisons when we saw it bottlenecked in the tests, i'm just gonna say that the proart series in general could be the right elegant solution to be the best creative professionals workstation laptop even above the MacBook lineup as long as asus will let it be premium as the ROG series laptops
U R LATE . 7800XT VS 4070 video editing and productivity comparisn. All i see on youtube is gaming comparisn. Need ur opinion before buying.
Don't have the 7800Xt right now :(
This channel is really a gem🫶