For anybody just finding this video, remember that you can also change the project settings (bottom right gear) and under master settings modify the cache and proxy folders for individual projects. This just offers a little extra granularity when deciding which projects will be stored on different drives (depending on time frame, resolution, proxy/optimized media, etc.). Hope that helps someone who might want that extra bit of control!
I miss discussions like these. I was able to build my PC last 2018 and have rarely looked into videos like these. It's amazing that within that year and now, I was able to add more drives to my system the way I envisioned it (more or less the same as recommended in the video). That was some journey.
I have seen several similar videos and read a few articles about storage for creators. And all forget about backup storage (I do not count the story, it did not explain the matter). For people without IT terminology knowledge, backup is different from the archive. Backups are very very neglected, sometimes even by IT professionals. I already had to attempt to rescue at least some data for many people, and sometimes it is just not possible or extremely costly if they need to pay for "forensic" lab rescue. Even one professional editor had failed SSD with several projects just to be sent to the client - without backup! So better to have fewer drives and mix e.g. system and cache drive, than omit backups as some of your drives will fail one day.
Just happened to me. Luckily was old archive (exactly what you say, no backup) so the most heartbreaking I lost was some videos of my dog when he was a puppy and is now 14 years old. But lesson learned, bought a bigger hdd and copied everything from every remaining drive and now is unplugged and resting hoping not to be bothered again until maybe next month
Great video. Thanks for the advice. Have been running a single Gen 3 m.2 for both Project and Cache. Have decided to split it. New setup: Operating System: Samsung 980 PRO 2TB PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD (Gen 4) - NEW Project/ Assets: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD (Gen 3) - OLD Project + Cache Cache: WD Western Digital WDS500G2B0C Blue SN550 500GB NVMe (Gen 3) - OLD OS Drive Archive HDD: Seagate IronWolf 10TB 3.5" NAS Hard Drive - NEW Will also be using part of the cache drive to cache the Archie HDD.
Bro you nailed it, absolutely nailed it!!! Also, very creative way to explain it with the boxes and drawlings on the table. I edit using Premiere Pro, and have a Ryzen 7 3800x, 32 GB's RAM, RTX 2060 6 GB, on an X570 Motherboard. Because I have a Gen 4 Mobo and CPU I have a (2) 1 TB Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 Drives. One as my OS/Programs Drive, and the 2nd as my video (Content, Assets) drive. For my Adobe Media Cache Drive I just use a Samsung 860 SSD, and I also have some hooptie Dell 500 GB SSD just for random stuff. I have an 8 Bay NAS my buddy gave me. It's an older Drobo b810 Enterprise NAS. I just stuffed it with 1 TB drives. I get HDD's for $5 each, so my NAS isn't the best but it was very cheap and does the job. Once I'm finished with a project, I move everything to my NAS so I can keep my faster drives freed up. Great Video Man!!!
You have the best videos. I’m just getting started with video editing and almost any question I have about computer gear you have a video about. Great work, thanks!
I really can relate to all your videos. Instead of the flooded gaming PC builds on here. I just built a new PC for myself after getting out of it for more than 10 years. My question for you is about setting up a dedicated Cache drive. Would it be better to partition a Gen4 WD Black NVME drive or would a partitioned WD Blue SATA drive be sufficient for cache with any of my audio and video software? Thanks again for all your great content!
We will be watching this video over and over there is such good information. We're getting our new custom built by Digital Storm tomorrow. Here's a quick list of what it has; i9-12900K, Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 4800, 1000 watt PS, 1x SSD 2TB 980 Pro, RTX3060Ti. We were wondering what other storage to get now we have the information to make a good decision. We are primarily engineering firm and would like to edit videos as well. Thank you!
Very useful video because being only able to create content is not enough. More power, organisation, storage and speed = more efficiency = more success. Thank you for your work, it's really enjoyable !
in my opinion the best and cheapest way is this: ssd: OS+programs nvme gen 3/4: high bitrate videos+temporary/cache files hdd: for the final renders/exports (whats your opinion of this setup?)
Good timing. I’ve been searching for more info on storage workflow in Resolve for the last few days. This is the best walkthrough I’ve seen. Thanks for the info!
Buying NAS hard drives for regular storage with the intent to use them later in a NAS has one drawback. When you put them in the NAS, it will need to reformat the drives to build the NAS volumes, so you will still need other storage (local or cloud) to hold your data while you setup the NAS.
@@ashwanibhola3766 you are right of your case. My new entry level terramaster f2-223 nas has this hot plug in w/o formatting, I have not tried it. Good that their OS can access most of file formats like ntfs, fat 32, etc.. You may go in their forum to search.
@@ashwanibhola3766 Checked the terramaster forum, this subject is at "direct mounting of data drives". I have not tried, but it said it can w/o formatting the inserted hdd.
Thanks for the insight into worflow storage as I am currently building a computer for content creation and streaming. It's a relief to hear that I'm on the right track, as i am novice to this environment. Cheers
Nice to see how you do it. I have Windows and some games on a Gen 3 NVME drive, 2 partitions - games and windows. A sata SSD for some random emulator games and random files, I guess I don't really need it but I had the drive laying around. Another sata SSD for video exports and again random programs (really organised lol.) A large NVME gen 3 drive for all of my pictures, raw video's and editing programs. Then 1 HDD for photo and video backup and also my brother in law his raw pictures bc he doesn't have his own PC. Then lastly a NAS for another backup of my photos and videos, and it's great to have worldwide access to it.
All of my computers have a similar basic drive layout: - NVMe OS Drive - NVMe or SATA SSD Data Drive - OS Clone Hard Drive, most people never do this - Data Backup Hard Drive using manual Robocopy scripts Then all of my data is backed up daily to a large Synology NAS. And all of my really important files are backed up to a large Google Cloud drive. I also have two sets of external USB hard drives that I back up to monthly.
Fantastic video! I learned so much. Purchased a FireCuda and a 980 with your links for my first 2 levels. Gonna move the current SATA SSD to level 3. Will be back to watch again for the Davinci setup once the drives get here :)
Thank you for the video and the comparisons on the different drives. Puget Systems recommends the Cache/Scratch drive be the fastest, and the OS/software at least a SATA SSD although they acknowledge "some improvements" if you go NVME. Those two are basically inverted from your setup. The explanation for cache being fastest is brief but it's basically the same one you give for putting OS on the fastest drive. If you (or someone reading this) could test both configurations for a future video it would be amazing! I'm thinking that having the cache on the fastest drive would only be truly beneficial with larger projects that use many cache/scratch files, and probably less noticeable with smaller projects. Thanks again!
That’s right! It should be inverted as Puget Recommends. A SATA SSD although it will load slower , once you’re up and running makes little to no difference when browsing thru one program. If you’re multi tasking and constantly opening and closing windows (outside of your editor ) then perhaps a NVME ssd will benefit you. Otherwise most people will be fine with a $30-50 256-500 GB SATA SSD.
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
@@mediatrix1111Hello! Assuming you're also installing all your software on the OS partition (not JUST the OS), you won't get the full benefit of the speed of having an NVMe SSD when you're using applications that are accessing both drives. There won't be any drawbacks regarding booting up and opening programs, but once you're using premiere or DaVinci with huge projects with lots of cache files, then it won't perform as fast as it would if they were on separate physical drives. In essence, you're basically connecting 2 drives to one connection and sharing its bandwidth, that being said, NVMes have gotten so fast that the difference will most likely be very minimal, and depending on your needs, probably even negligible. Again, it will affect you more the larger the projects and files you're working on are, but even then, it might not be a huge loss in performance for the cost, and probably a good upgrade if you're coming from an older/regular consumer SSD and even better if you're coming from a HDD. If you're only installing the OS on that drive, and using the other partition for the cache, then the difference will be even less, probably almost negligible.
Great tips! I use a 980Pro 2TB for my OS. I work on two 970Evos' striped so I have 4TB drive that I work on and store most of my work and I can access it anytime really fast to complete a video from bits here and there. Since it's about gardening I sometimes need to reach to other seasons and years. I use 4 870Evo SSD's for a 16TB single-parity Windows Storage Spaces MainDrive that copies all my material from the scratch disk as well as holding all my archive material. It makes the drives pretty fast for READ speeds and I like having one big drive. Then all of that is backed up to two 870QVO 8TB that are striped into a 16TB drive. And the main drive is also copied to two hard drives, one of which is stored offsite and swapped out every few weeks. I know I have risks striping and RAIDing drives. But with such redundancy and how drives mostly seem to last, I'm not too concerned. I've got another 4TB 870EVO coming and am thinking of going into a double-parity with Windows Storage Spaces. I like your show!
Excellent, best video for me so far. I use 4 cameras and my phone and will be adding drone capture soon. I'm pretty on the ba with files and storage but that was huge. I'm building my new pc next month so there's a lot riding on this, £1200 or so to start with. I've got started buying parts now. Gigabyte motherboard and i9 chip base. I've got my sata and ssd drives, M.2 and will have my ddr4 soon. Thanks for all the great advice 👍
Just waiting for FedEx deliver my new PC with 3 NVMEs. This video helped me a lot as I was figuring out the configuration prior to ordering it. Until I get a NAS, the external HDDs I've been using for stock assets will be changed over to archive drives. Thanks for the info. Can't wait to set it up!
Can you explain to me the point of the cache drive as I'm not sure I got the point in the video (no bad against this channel, more my basic knowledge), re temp files for after effects. I'm not sure why it would be writing lots of files. Do you effectively set the cache drive in AE settings.
thank you so much. i really enjoy enjoy your videos. ive learnt alot from them. im budgeting for an editing/animation pc. i would suggest having an internal archive drive and a nas system as well as an offsite backup.. ive learnt that your backup has to have a backup
WOW. Just found your channel and it is freaking amazing! Love what you're doing in showing us best practices for storage and what products will get the best performance! I was searching to see what NVMe SSD and enclosure to get. The budget-conscious yet storage-hungry side of me is looking at the 4TB Crucial P3 Plus stick, but some of the stock enclosures out there are maxing at 1000/gb speed. Will the speed of that stick in Acasis 40gbps enclosure that you demo'd get better speeds? I'm lost in this world, and appreciate all the video help you're providing! Thank you!
You have the best content! I just finished my first build based on all your recommendations. I'm thrilled, thank you! Is it beneficial or advisable to store applications/software, such as Adobe apps, on a separate drive from the operating system (OS) drive? For instance, I'm considering a setup with distinct drives for the OS, applications/software, projects, cache, and NAS archive.
Great tips and great workflow. I have one question though, will the partitioning affect the performance of the SSD (for example 2TB SSD with 4 x 500GB partitions)?
Great Video: QUESTION: Where would you put your Database (Library) for Davinci Resolve? Put it on the Drive 1 (OS and Programs) or on Drive 2 (Project & Assets? Thanks.
Nice video @Technotice. Just have a question, not really related with the video. sorry. Just curious what kind of second monitor you used on the 5:33 minutes ? Really interisting.
With current pricing Sata 2.5" is almost same price with Nvme. 1TB fast Nvme for OS and (auto) cache, plus a 2 to 4TB Nvme for assets/data. Backup to at least 1 or 2 HDD every day. No separate temp drive is needed. We are not in 2005, access times are zero.
That’s dope. Those slow down when full or transferring large data. There’s great as OS drives since it’s read mainly. Assets , I use external 20GBps SANDISK. Since my camera records directly to it. Your scratch drive should be the fastest honestly.
This is one helpful video. Very informative. Great work. Just finished building a new desktop pc in a Cooler Master NR200P max casing. The Z790 motherboard got 3 M.2 slot. 1 for OS, 1 for for 3D/Cad project and 1 for Video editting project. Question. If I'm working on my video editing project. Can I use the drive for my 3D/Cad project as a cache drive? Please advise. Cheers.
If you use effects progrrams like After Effects or Fusion, I suggest going for durable m.2 nvme drives like samsung nvme ssds for your cache drive. Because these effects programs eat the drive's lives fast. And soon you'll experience BSOD and hangs in the pc not knowing it's the deteriorating life of the cheap ssds.
Thanks for making this video! I have a question about the storage device for OS and programs. If I already have my programs installed on an SSD with gen 3 speeds (and PCIe connection), is there a significant performance boost gained by reinstalling the programs on a gen 4 SSD (using a gen 4 PCIe slot)? I recently acquired a WD Black SN770 and want to find out if I should transfer Premiere Pro from my Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD (both storage devices are now installed on my PC and they are both 1TB each).
Could you explain more precisely the topic related to the cach/temp files drive? How should I properly configure that drive in Windows to work properly? What are the main benefits of having this type of SSD drive? Thanks in advance and all the best in your future work.
I don’t agree with him on this. There is no explanation of the advantage to separate your cache, previews, auto-saves and put them on a separate drive altogether. That would just lead to confusion when you migrate everything to your archive drive when done. Just leave the whole project together
@@Pfagnan the main thing it helps with is creating and reading scratch files that you won’t need later. Your backups and database can be saved with your asset drive. which I would recommend be an external if you edit on multiple locations (home and work)
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
I'm building a budget/mid-range build around an i5 13500, RTX 3060ti and 64gb ram and putting it all in a smallish case for space-saving reasons on my desk. Because of this I'm using a mATX Asus board that only has two M.2 slots and as someone else mentioned below, Puget Systems recommend the scratch disk being the fastest alongside the OS drive. This makes sense if that drive is being read and written to constantly in real time as you're editing. So my build would be the recommended 1tb Firecuda for the OS, a smaller M.2 drive (say 250gb) as a scratch disk and another 1TB SATA SSD for the project files (I have a 4TB HDD already for archiving). Is this the most sensible way to go with a limitation of two M.2 drives in my system or should I follow the advice on here and use a SATA SSD for the scratch drive? Advice much appreciated. Mainly shoot 4k btw, with the odd colour grade and affect in Davinci.
When rendering, doesn't it still use the cache and projects drive? Meaning the write speeds would be impacted because its reading? Plus, its using data lanes. Is that right or is rendering not really matter which drive? Im thinking making the write drive just a small 4th SSD. Its probably dimishing returns since projects drive and write drive would run off the chipset.
I’m planning to get an MacBook Pro M2 Max machine with 1 TB of internal SSD storage for OS and Programs and then use a 2TB LaCie Rugged Pro (rated 2800MB/s) external drive to hold the video files I’ll be working on. Do you think this would be a good combo? Is 1TB of internal storage enough? I’ll only have my video editing software loaded on the machine so I’m thinking 1TB should be more than enough?
You can use 10g nas or multi raid array thunderbolt instead of SSD for projects as nas run as fast as an SSD, and very little of the processing is done in the drive. 10gbis not expensive if you use fiber, and you can share your editing between multiple people. Raid drives with thunderbolt are also fast and use rotating drives.
Nas runs as fast as SSD? I mean yeah sure i know big scale Hitachi NAS for 500k USD ... My Home-Nas (Unraid) is based on drives+cache, still the 980s are still abit faster (5GB/s). Well nah actually 10x faster. And you need speed for editing and timeline scratching. I suggest 1 cache drive (nvme SSD / PCI 4), Raid 0 HDs in your workstation (with Primo Cache active) and NAS for backup.
Yeah, Gregor has a point even with 10g nas nvme ssds are still much faster. Fiber and 40g NAS is getting as close as nvme, but fhew... that's expensive... :)
@@theTechNotice i have not noticed a huge difference in premier between editing on a local nvme4 vs my 10g nas once the project loads. I personally like having only one copy on the nas as I have an editor who helps and can access my work. I do have a thunderbolt 3 raid which is pretty fast but its not much more useful than an external nvme ssd. Most of my projects load pretty quickly. I can understand your approach is maybe a little faster but you will spend time moving files to get started and finishing up
My cache drive ended up needing to be way bigger than I was expecting. I was running proxies for a 4 camera 4k multicam concert that was about 90 mins long.
So to make a long video short. Use a gen4 drive for is and programs. Gen 4 for projects and assets. Then gen 3 for temp drive . Had for storage and archive. Unless you do judge project files then use gen 4 for everything but archive
@technotice picking up on your portable work flow . and for us on the apple side, we will only have one internal HD. Would it not make sense to run the system/os of the external which is going to be a slower system (in one of your past vids you were saying this hd's dont need to be crazy fast) and then for the faster internal, run our projects and media (photos/video) off that hd ?? thanks in advance , loving the videos. just found your channel have watched so many today already . phenomenal content for this sector
For archive always use raid. SSD is at least as reliable as a HD, so that argument is moot. Always backup your archive. No matter if your archive is on Nas or local (aka das) If you have gen 4 nvme slots, use gen4 ssd. Price difference isn't that big. Use the fastest solution you can afford Make a copy of your project files onto your archive raid regularly, even when you are still working on the project, that way you have a safety copy that also will be backed up together with your archived projects 10g Ethernet is getting cheaper all the time no need to spend thousands upon thousands. Backup can also be done to a cloud drive or a drive in a different location, that way not much can destroy your files. Also you can get your files on location from the cloud. If you can, edit in native resolution. It can be a bit slower but leaves you the option of cropping without losing resolution in your final render
Are hard drives reliable after years of not being used tho? In my experience, the heads have to be powered on and used occasionally to prevent seizure.
Hello. Can you elaborate the #3 topic, cache / temp. files (assets). In a setup like you describe, #1,#2,#3,#4, I couldn't understand, where, how #3 works .
I ordered a Samsung T7 and am going to use it to both capture footage from my PC and take it with me when I travel. But now I am thinking I need a small cache drive as well. Will using my main C drive for Davince Resolve's caching going to wear out my main drive? Also, watching this video made me wish I had mounted my graphics card upright...
I know you recommended a separate SSD for the cache/temp files, but if I only have two SSDs and 1 HDD, would you recommend I put the cache/temp folder on the SSD that has the OS +programs or onto the SSD that has the project file with the assets?
WHAT ABOUT A 32tb micron 9400 pro pcie gen4 nvme ssd? Could I put one in a NUC? Maybe a Intel NUC 12 Enthusiast Kit ('Serpent Canyon'). Need speed and capacity !
I just spected a raid 0 5 bay SSD 20tb drive and the total was like 2200 for middle-road brand quality. I'm procrastinating on getting it because i could get another bmpcc6k for that same price, but working on 10 different samsung t5 ssds is a pain.
i wonder why we have almost no progress in the speed department, when it comes to games. i mean, the jump from a HDD to an 3,5ssd was huge. reduced loading times from 60seconds, to 25 in some cases, with 500mb/s read drives.. now we have 5gb/s read drives and all that does, ist reducing 25seconds to 23.. i always wondered, why were not getting that loading screen down to 5 seconds by this point. as far as ive seen and experience, theres no reason to get an nvme for games at all. a standard sata 3,5 drive will do the same job nearly as fast, as a m2 drive no matter if its 3rd or 4th gen
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For anybody just finding this video, remember that you can also change the project settings (bottom right gear) and under master settings modify the cache and proxy folders for individual projects. This just offers a little extra granularity when deciding which projects will be stored on different drives (depending on time frame, resolution, proxy/optimized media, etc.). Hope that helps someone who might want that extra bit of control!
ALOT OF VIEOS OUT THERE ON THIS TOPIC AND YOUR THE FIRST TO EXPLAIN IN THE DETAIL NEEDED!!! THANK YOU FOR THAT!!! GOOD JOB!!!
The information is available on internet in many places. But, this is the best way the info is explained and presented. 👌
I miss discussions like these. I was able to build my PC last 2018 and have rarely looked into videos like these. It's amazing that within that year and now, I was able to add more drives to my system the way I envisioned it (more or less the same as recommended in the video). That was some journey.
Your channel deserves a subscription. Thank you for this great pack of information.
I have seen several similar videos and read a few articles about storage for creators. And all forget about backup storage (I do not count the story, it did not explain the matter). For people without IT terminology knowledge, backup is different from the archive. Backups are very very neglected, sometimes even by IT professionals. I already had to attempt to rescue at least some data for many people, and sometimes it is just not possible or extremely costly if they need to pay for "forensic" lab rescue. Even one professional editor had failed SSD with several projects just to be sent to the client - without backup! So better to have fewer drives and mix e.g. system and cache drive, than omit backups as some of your drives will fail one day.
Just happened to me. Luckily was old archive (exactly what you say, no backup) so the most heartbreaking I lost was some videos of my dog when he was a puppy and is now 14 years old. But lesson learned, bought a bigger hdd and copied everything from every remaining drive and now is unplugged and resting hoping not to be bothered again until maybe next month
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Would a NAS not be a great backup? Epecially if it’s redundant?
Great video. Thanks for the advice.
Have been running a single Gen 3 m.2 for both Project and Cache. Have decided to split it.
New setup:
Operating System:
Samsung 980 PRO 2TB PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD (Gen 4) - NEW
Project/ Assets:
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD (Gen 3) - OLD Project + Cache
Cache:
WD Western Digital WDS500G2B0C Blue SN550 500GB NVMe (Gen 3) - OLD OS Drive
Archive HDD:
Seagate IronWolf 10TB 3.5" NAS Hard Drive - NEW
Will also be using part of the cache drive to cache the Archie HDD.
Bro you nailed it, absolutely nailed it!!! Also, very creative way to explain it with the boxes and drawlings on the table. I edit using Premiere Pro, and have a Ryzen 7 3800x, 32 GB's RAM, RTX 2060 6 GB, on an X570 Motherboard. Because I have a Gen 4 Mobo and CPU I have a (2) 1 TB Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 Drives. One as my OS/Programs Drive, and the 2nd as my video (Content, Assets) drive. For my Adobe Media Cache Drive I just use a Samsung 860 SSD, and I also have some hooptie Dell 500 GB SSD just for random stuff. I have an 8 Bay NAS my buddy gave me. It's an older Drobo b810 Enterprise NAS. I just stuffed it with 1 TB drives. I get HDD's for $5 each, so my NAS isn't the best but it was very cheap and does the job. Once I'm finished with a project, I move everything to my NAS so I can keep my faster drives freed up. Great Video Man!!!
Thankyou for this, I'm about to build an editing rig, I honestly hadn't thought of having a cache drive
You have the best videos. I’m just getting started with video editing and almost any question I have about computer gear you have a video about. Great work, thanks!
I really can relate to all your videos. Instead of the flooded gaming PC builds on here. I just built a new PC for myself after getting out of it for more than 10 years.
My question for you is about setting up a dedicated Cache drive. Would it be better to partition a Gen4 WD Black NVME drive or would a partitioned WD Blue SATA drive be sufficient for cache with any of my audio and video software?
Thanks again for all your great content!
We will be watching this video over and over there is such good information. We're getting our new custom built by Digital Storm tomorrow. Here's a quick list of what it has; i9-12900K, Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 4800, 1000 watt PS, 1x SSD 2TB 980 Pro, RTX3060Ti. We were wondering what other storage to get now we have the information to make a good decision. We are primarily engineering firm and would like to edit videos as well. Thank you!
Very useful video because being only able to create content is not enough. More power, organisation, storage and speed = more efficiency = more success.
Thank you for your work, it's really enjoyable !
in my opinion the best and cheapest way is this:
ssd: OS+programs
nvme gen 3/4: high bitrate videos+temporary/cache files
hdd: for the final renders/exports
(whats your opinion of this setup?)
What a coincidence 💚 I've been contemplating over if I should reorganize my drive structure for editing projects. Thanks!
Good timing. I’ve been searching for more info on storage workflow in Resolve for the last few days. This is the best walkthrough I’ve seen. Thanks for the info!
Glad I could help! ;)
Same here. I'm just setting up for this as of 3 days ago.
@@theTechNotice can you suggest 3050 or 1660 super
Buying NAS hard drives for regular storage with the intent to use them later in a NAS has one drawback. When you put them in the NAS, it will need to reformat the drives to build the NAS volumes, so you will still need other storage (local or cloud) to hold your data while you setup the NAS.
True that!
New tech nas allows hot plug in of hdd without reformatting it and can read/write the hdd.
@williamlau7179 if you want it to be part of a RAID array (likely use case) then it will need reformatting.
@@ashwanibhola3766 you are right of your case. My new entry level terramaster f2-223 nas has this hot plug in w/o formatting, I have not tried it. Good that their OS can access most of file formats like ntfs, fat 32, etc.. You may go in their forum to search.
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Checked the terramaster forum, this subject is at "direct mounting of data drives". I have not tried, but it said it can w/o formatting the inserted hdd.
The best ( and clear) video about this topic in youtube . Thanks a lot for your time!
You are welcome!
Super clear and helpful video! I have a 5th option. HDD archive in pc and a nas synchronised to the HDD on the PC.😊
Thanks for the insight into worflow storage as I am currently building a computer for content creation and streaming. It's a relief to hear that I'm on the right track, as i am novice to this environment. Cheers
Very helpful! Thank you. I am setting up various external build my own NVME SSD drives and this is just what I needed to know.
Nice to see how you do it. I have Windows and some games on a Gen 3 NVME drive, 2 partitions - games and windows. A sata SSD for some random emulator games and random files, I guess I don't really need it but I had the drive laying around. Another sata SSD for video exports and again random programs (really organised lol.) A large NVME gen 3 drive for all of my pictures, raw video's and editing programs. Then 1 HDD for photo and video backup and also my brother in law his raw pictures bc he doesn't have his own PC. Then lastly a NAS for another backup of my photos and videos, and it's great to have worldwide access to it.
All of my computers have a similar basic drive layout:
- NVMe OS Drive
- NVMe or SATA SSD Data Drive
- OS Clone Hard Drive, most people never do this
- Data Backup Hard Drive using manual Robocopy scripts
Then all of my data is backed up daily to a large Synology NAS.
And all of my really important files are backed up to a large Google Cloud drive.
I also have two sets of external USB hard drives that I back up to monthly.
Man you are just legend. Whatever that i have as a doubt, you have a video on that. Thank you very much for your hardwork.
How? How is it that while I've been researching on file storage you come out with this great video!
Thanks dude. Just ordered 2x 2TB Kingston KC3000. Got it for 219eu/piece so that was the cheapest option actually!
Fantastic video! I learned so much.
Purchased a FireCuda and a 980 with your links for my first 2 levels. Gonna move the current SATA SSD to level 3.
Will be back to watch again for the Davinci setup once the drives get here :)
Appreciate the effort you put into these videos mate! Much appreciated 👍
Hahaha Stil It onboard 🥃
Thank you for the video and the comparisons on the different drives. Puget Systems recommends the Cache/Scratch drive be the fastest, and the OS/software at least a SATA SSD although they acknowledge "some improvements" if you go NVME. Those two are basically inverted from your setup. The explanation for cache being fastest is brief but it's basically the same one you give for putting OS on the fastest drive. If you (or someone reading this) could test both configurations for a future video it would be amazing! I'm thinking that having the cache on the fastest drive would only be truly beneficial with larger projects that use many cache/scratch files, and probably less noticeable with smaller projects. Thanks again!
That’s right! It should be inverted as Puget Recommends. A SATA SSD although it will load slower , once you’re up and running makes little to no difference when browsing thru one program.
If you’re multi tasking and constantly opening and closing windows (outside of your editor ) then perhaps a NVME ssd will benefit you. Otherwise most people will be fine with a $30-50 256-500 GB SATA SSD.
@@themarcosaguila1 Which drive to you render the final project to?
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
@@mediatrix1111Hello! Assuming you're also installing all your software on the OS partition (not JUST the OS), you won't get the full benefit of the speed of having an NVMe SSD when you're using applications that are accessing both drives. There won't be any drawbacks regarding booting up and opening programs, but once you're using premiere or DaVinci with huge projects with lots of cache files, then it won't perform as fast as it would if they were on separate physical drives. In essence, you're basically connecting 2 drives to one connection and sharing its bandwidth, that being said, NVMes have gotten so fast that the difference will most likely be very minimal, and depending on your needs, probably even negligible. Again, it will affect you more the larger the projects and files you're working on are, but even then, it might not be a huge loss in performance for the cost, and probably a good upgrade if you're coming from an older/regular consumer SSD and even better if you're coming from a HDD.
If you're only installing the OS on that drive, and using the other partition for the cache, then the difference will be even less, probably almost negligible.
You really made my building my new PC much easier.
Great tips!
I use a 980Pro 2TB for my OS. I work on two 970Evos' striped so I have 4TB drive that I work on and store most of my work and I can access it anytime really fast to complete a video from bits here and there. Since it's about gardening I sometimes need to reach to other seasons and years.
I use 4 870Evo SSD's for a 16TB single-parity Windows Storage Spaces MainDrive that copies all my material from the scratch disk as well as holding all my archive material. It makes the drives pretty fast for READ speeds and I like having one big drive.
Then all of that is backed up to two 870QVO 8TB that are striped into a 16TB drive.
And the main drive is also copied to two hard drives, one of which is stored offsite and swapped out every few weeks.
I know I have risks striping and RAIDing drives. But with such redundancy and how drives mostly seem to last, I'm not too concerned.
I've got another 4TB 870EVO coming and am thinking of going into a double-parity with Windows Storage Spaces.
I like your show!
Amazing overview, thanks :) Keep the good videos going
Hey thank you for this information. It has improved my workflow a lot. Just one question. Which nvme should be faster? Program+OS or Project Files?
Excellent, best video for me so far. I use 4 cameras and my phone and will be adding drone capture soon. I'm pretty on the ba with files and storage but that was huge. I'm building my new pc next month so there's a lot riding on this, £1200 or so to start with. I've got started buying parts now. Gigabyte motherboard and i9 chip base. I've got my sata and ssd drives, M.2 and will have my ddr4 soon. Thanks for all the great advice 👍
thank you for decently sorted and structured video
Great stuff as always! Thanks!
Just waiting for FedEx deliver my new PC with 3 NVMEs. This video helped me a lot as I was figuring out the configuration prior to ordering it. Until I get a NAS, the external HDDs I've been using for stock assets will be changed over to archive drives. Thanks for the info. Can't wait to set it up!
Awesome video very useful information. I never thought of this before and will apply on my next build.
For after effects users the cache drive must be the fastest in the system. As it used for the ram previews...
good point! :)
Can you explain to me the point of the cache drive as I'm not sure I got the point in the video (no bad against this channel, more my basic knowledge), re temp files for after effects. I'm not sure why it would be writing lots of files. Do you effectively set the cache drive in AE settings.
thank you so much. i really enjoy enjoy your videos. ive learnt alot from them. im budgeting for an editing/animation pc. i would suggest having an internal archive drive and a nas system as well as an offsite backup.. ive learnt that your backup has to have a backup
WOW. Just found your channel and it is freaking amazing! Love what you're doing in showing us best practices for storage and what products will get the best performance! I was searching to see what NVMe SSD and enclosure to get. The budget-conscious yet storage-hungry side of me is looking at the 4TB Crucial P3 Plus stick, but some of the stock enclosures out there are maxing at 1000/gb speed. Will the speed of that stick in Acasis 40gbps enclosure that you demo'd get better speeds? I'm lost in this world, and appreciate all the video help you're providing! Thank you!
Excellent video and thanks for all of the info, much appreciated
I learned a lot from your channel. Thanks.
You have the best content! I just finished my first build based on all your recommendations. I'm thrilled, thank you! Is it beneficial or advisable to store applications/software, such as Adobe apps, on a separate drive from the operating system (OS) drive? For instance, I'm considering a setup with distinct drives for the OS, applications/software, projects, cache, and NAS archive.
That "Nas is Like" on 22:32 had me saying "My poetry's deep I'll never fail" 😅
Nice one...Thanks
Well explained man
I learnt a lot about storage and file management related things from your channel
This is such an amazing video man, thanks a lot, it really helped me.
Great tips and great workflow. I have one question though, will the partitioning affect the performance of the SSD (for example 2TB SSD with 4 x 500GB partitions)?
It will if you're reading/writing from more than 1 of the partitions (also depending on how big the file(s) are).
Amazing as always.. you're such an inspiration! Thank you very much!
Great Video: QUESTION: Where would you put your Database (Library) for Davinci Resolve? Put it on the Drive 1 (OS and Programs) or on Drive 2 (Project & Assets? Thanks.
This was the video I was looking for.
Thank you!
Nice video @Technotice. Just have a question, not really related with the video. sorry. Just curious what kind of second monitor you used on the 5:33 minutes ? Really interisting.
great help. thanks mate.
Cool explanation
Great video and very good explanation thanks man.
Glad you enjoyed it!
With current pricing Sata 2.5" is almost same price with Nvme. 1TB fast Nvme for OS and (auto) cache, plus a 2 to 4TB Nvme for assets/data. Backup to at least 1 or 2 HDD every day. No separate temp drive is needed. We are not in 2005, access times are zero.
Thank you for a excellent video that really assists us newbies who what to have a good DaVinci Resolve workflow.
Great info. I use the intel 670P as it is very budget friendly as I get the 1TB for $79.99 most of the time.
I just got 3 more for $69.99 each. Newegg is just trying to get rid of them.
That’s dope. Those slow down when full or transferring large data.
There’s great as OS drives since it’s read mainly.
Assets , I use external 20GBps SANDISK. Since my camera records directly to it.
Your scratch drive should be the fastest honestly.
This is one helpful video. Very informative. Great work. Just finished building a new desktop pc in a Cooler Master NR200P max casing. The Z790 motherboard got 3 M.2 slot. 1 for OS, 1 for for 3D/Cad project and 1 for Video editting project. Question. If I'm working on my video editing project. Can I use the drive for my 3D/Cad project as a cache drive? Please advise. Cheers.
If you use effects progrrams like After Effects or Fusion, I suggest going for durable m.2 nvme drives like samsung nvme ssds for your cache drive. Because these effects programs eat the drive's lives fast. And soon you'll experience BSOD and hangs in the pc not knowing it's the deteriorating life of the cheap ssds.
i hv asus tuf z690 .
4 m.2 slots.
currently i own 970 evo plus 2tb in 1st slot.
guide me the best to populate all my slots
Thanks! Its's informative:)
Thanks for making this video!
I have a question about the storage device for OS and programs. If I already have my programs installed on an SSD with gen 3 speeds (and PCIe connection), is there a significant performance boost gained by reinstalling the programs on a gen 4 SSD (using a gen 4 PCIe slot)?
I recently acquired a WD Black SN770 and want to find out if I should transfer Premiere Pro from my Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD (both storage devices are now installed on my PC and they are both 1TB each).
Could you explain more precisely the topic related to the cach/temp files drive? How should I properly configure that drive in Windows to work properly?
What are the main benefits of having this type of SSD drive? Thanks in advance and all the best in your future work.
I don’t agree with him on this. There is no explanation of the advantage to separate your cache, previews, auto-saves and put them on a separate drive altogether. That would just lead to confusion when you migrate everything to your archive drive when done. Just leave the whole project together
@@Pfagnan the main thing it helps with is creating and reading scratch files that you won’t need later.
Your backups and database can be saved with your asset drive. which I would recommend be an external if you edit on multiple locations (home and work)
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
Good Video 👍 👍
Great video! Need to buy more ssds now😅
I'm building a budget/mid-range build around an i5 13500, RTX 3060ti and 64gb ram and putting it all in a smallish case for space-saving reasons on my desk. Because of this I'm using a mATX Asus board that only has two M.2 slots and as someone else mentioned below, Puget Systems recommend the scratch disk being the fastest alongside the OS drive. This makes sense if that drive is being read and written to constantly in real time as you're editing.
So my build would be the recommended 1tb Firecuda for the OS, a smaller M.2 drive (say 250gb) as a scratch disk and another 1TB SATA SSD for the project files (I have a 4TB HDD already for archiving).
Is this the most sensible way to go with a limitation of two M.2 drives in my system or should I follow the advice on here and use a SATA SSD for the scratch drive?
Advice much appreciated. Mainly shoot 4k btw, with the odd colour grade and affect in Davinci.
Wouldn't a ram disk be better for temp cache files - as an addition to the ssd and save it from excessive wear ?
Really good and on point. And does anyone use PC for creative work? MAC
Thanks... This Was Exactly What I've Been Looking For
Really useful vid , ^^
Clean, fast, and thorough af! Thanks!
When rendering, doesn't it still use the cache and projects drive? Meaning the write speeds would be impacted because its reading? Plus, its using data lanes. Is that right or is rendering not really matter which drive? Im thinking making the write drive just a small 4th SSD. Its probably dimishing returns since projects drive and write drive would run off the chipset.
Can my cache drive be the same as my OS drive? I have a fast OS drive with lots of space so I'm wondering if I need another SSD for cache
I’m planning to get an MacBook Pro M2 Max machine with 1 TB of internal SSD storage for OS and Programs and then use a 2TB LaCie Rugged Pro (rated 2800MB/s) external drive to hold the video files I’ll be working on.
Do you think this would be a good combo? Is 1TB of internal storage enough? I’ll only have my video editing software loaded on the machine so I’m thinking 1TB should be more than enough?
hello, niceeee videoooo
i have two m.2, should i use the faster for OS or for Project?
You can use 10g nas or multi raid array thunderbolt instead of SSD for projects as nas run as fast as an SSD, and very little of the processing is done in the drive. 10gbis not expensive if you use fiber, and you can share your editing between multiple people. Raid drives with thunderbolt are also fast and use rotating drives.
Nas runs as fast as SSD? I mean yeah sure i know big scale Hitachi NAS for 500k USD ... My Home-Nas (Unraid) is based on drives+cache, still the 980s are still abit faster (5GB/s). Well nah actually 10x faster. And you need speed for editing and timeline scratching. I suggest 1 cache drive (nvme SSD / PCI 4), Raid 0 HDs in your workstation (with Primo Cache active) and NAS for backup.
Yeah, Gregor has a point even with 10g nas nvme ssds are still much faster. Fiber and 40g NAS is getting as close as nvme, but fhew... that's expensive... :)
@@theTechNotice i have not noticed a huge difference in premier between editing on a local nvme4 vs my 10g nas once the project loads. I personally like having only one copy on the nas as I have an editor who helps and can access my work. I do have a thunderbolt 3 raid which is pretty fast but its not much more useful than an external nvme ssd. Most of my projects load pretty quickly. I can understand your approach is maybe a little faster but you will spend time moving files to get started and finishing up
Would be interesting to know the same subject for 3D work (Blender, Pro E and so on).
My cache drive ended up needing to be way bigger than I was expecting. I was running proxies for a 4 camera 4k multicam concert that was about 90 mins long.
I know I want this and comment for this .. than u reply me u are make video about this .. u r real man and supporter , creator 🥰
So to make a long video short. Use a gen4 drive for is and programs. Gen 4 for projects and assets. Then gen 3 for temp drive . Had for storage and archive. Unless you do judge project files then use gen 4 for everything but archive
1 high speed 1tb nvme for current projects only + 2 traditional HDD on raid for storage (4TB,8TB)
@technotice picking up on your portable work flow . and for us on the apple side, we will only have one internal HD.
Would it not make sense to run the system/os of the external which is going to be a slower system (in one of your past vids you were saying this hd's dont need to be crazy fast)
and then for the faster internal, run our projects and media (photos/video) off that hd
??
thanks in advance , loving the videos. just found your channel have watched so many today already . phenomenal content for this sector
For archive always use raid. SSD is at least as reliable as a HD, so that argument is moot. Always backup your archive. No matter if your archive is on Nas or local (aka das)
If you have gen 4 nvme slots, use gen4 ssd. Price difference isn't that big. Use the fastest solution you can afford
Make a copy of your project files onto your archive raid regularly, even when you are still working on the project, that way you have a safety copy that also will be backed up together with your archived projects
10g Ethernet is getting cheaper all the time no need to spend thousands upon thousands.
Backup can also be done to a cloud drive or a drive in a different location, that way not much can destroy your files.
Also you can get your files on location from the cloud.
If you can, edit in native resolution. It can be a bit slower but leaves you the option of cropping without losing resolution in your final render
Is this still the preferred setup for creators?
love your content...
Great Job Mate
Are hard drives reliable after years of not being used tho? In my experience, the heads have to be powered on and used occasionally to prevent seizure.
Would you recommend using the Mac minis internal storage for the cache files?
Hello. Can you elaborate the #3 topic, cache / temp. files (assets). In a setup like you describe, #1,#2,#3,#4, I couldn't understand, where, how #3 works .
I ordered a Samsung T7 and am going to use it to both capture footage from my PC and take it with me when I travel. But now I am thinking I need a small cache drive as well. Will using my main C drive for Davince Resolve's caching going to wear out my main drive?
Also, watching this video made me wish I had mounted my graphics card upright...
thank you for help. plz help me choose very cheap SSD, Kingston, crucial gen4 etc.
THANK YOU homie, so much good info!
I know you recommended a separate SSD for the cache/temp files, but if I only have two SSDs and 1 HDD, would you recommend I put the cache/temp folder on the SSD that has the OS +programs or onto the SSD that has the project file with the assets?
What about WD black drive? Those should have pretty good sustained throughput
Yeah, I linked them below (or above haha), but didn't talk about them much coz I haven't used them tonns myself. A little, but not much :)
WHAT ABOUT A 32tb micron 9400 pro pcie gen4 nvme ssd? Could I put one in a NUC? Maybe a Intel NUC 12 Enthusiast Kit ('Serpent Canyon'). Need speed and capacity !
I just spected a raid 0 5 bay SSD 20tb drive and the total was like 2200 for middle-road brand quality. I'm procrastinating on getting it because i could get another bmpcc6k for that same price, but working on 10 different samsung t5 ssds is a pain.
God, I love this channel.
i wonder why we have almost no progress in the speed department, when it comes to games. i mean, the jump from a HDD to an 3,5ssd was huge. reduced loading times from 60seconds, to 25 in some cases, with 500mb/s read drives.. now we have 5gb/s read drives and all that does, ist reducing 25seconds to 23.. i always wondered, why were not getting that loading screen down to 5 seconds by this point. as far as ive seen and experience, theres no reason to get an nvme for games at all. a standard sata 3,5 drive will do the same job nearly as fast, as a m2 drive no matter if its 3rd or 4th gen
Love this guy