Thank you for this! So tired of everyone telling people what they should be riding. Just go out and enjoy yourself. Just because you cant handle it doesn't mean all of us can't.
True, but most people can't handle a 500lb+ bike off road and telling them 500lb+ is no factor doesn't help them spend their money wisely. And since when did sharing your lived experience "telling other people what to do"?
I hear people say this, then I end up riding with them as they deal with their 580 lb GS on dirt. Their talk never equals their ability. Deep sand on a slow trail with tight corners. Trees too close together for the bike to fit. Big rocks. By all means ride the giants. I ride a tricked out 690 and broadslide it, wheelie it, flattrack it, play all day.
It’s truly disappointing to hear experienced instructors making a commercial for 580 lbs bikes and making an argument that it’s great if you just develop the skills. But without sharing how hours and years they’ve ridden and trained hard terrain such statements are utterly meaningless. By the same token one could argue that anyone can ride a 200+ HP Pani V4. You just need training and practice. Too many people go off-roading alone in treacherous terrain on big bikes already. This is just poor judgment.
Awesome points. I agree. I want my ADV bike to excel at touring, which the GS does. I hope you can spend time on the 1300GS soon - they added the ability to fine tune the suspension like you were showing on the Multistrada. The 1300 is a big improvement both on and off road, and will make you fall in love with the GS even more... let's ride again soon!
I think the key here is to keep in mind that offroad riding and adventure touring are quite different things. Most people are ok with these big adventure bikes being used for tarmac and gravel roads, basically conditions that allow you to get to the end of your continent without trying to emulate enduro or motocross riders. These big bikes are meant to travel and when you travel and encounter a difficult pass you always have the choice to drive through an easier and safer one.
Except when you have a KTM 1090R/1190R/1290R. Then you can ride them like an oversized dirt bike 🙂 We will mix a group of 300 two strokes, 450/500 four strokes and the big KTM twins. The KTMs do very well until the most extreme stuff like MX track and hard enduro conditions.
Ditto. On tighter trails it seems like riders have to focus more on keeping control of the bike than having fun and just blasting through. Which you get to do with lighter enduros... I've never owned such a big bike as they have never made me feel comfortable. I grew on on 2 strokes MX bikes and then to 400, 650 XR's... Long tarmac rides aren't my thing so i suppose it boils down the type of riding you do... and the style as well. I'm now closing up to my 50's so gone are the days CR's, KX's, YZ's made my day....
That's how I use my GSA. It's my Swiss army bike. It does everything. Commutes, eats miles, camping, hotels, bike nights, hooligan riding, carving the canyon.. i don't car about paint on a gravel/dirty road like I did on my Harley. I don't turn around in the middle of Arizona when the road gets iffy. I just make my way though and get to the beautiful view and campground. My Harley I would have turned around.
That weight helps so much in the wind and long distance. The off road compromise is worth it on the long hall if you are an advanced rider. I keep my 1200gs on the road. But someday I will get board and take to a little bit more than a fire road.
Before watching, I just want to say I'm 5'6" tall. I grew up racing motocross, and have had a lot of bikes. My last adventure bike, before the R1250GS was a Tiger Explorer 1200. THAT bike almost made me quit ADV riding. It felt huge, it was hard to handle, top heavy and picking it up felt like I was deadlifting 400LBs. Then I rode my friends GS, my first order of business was to dump the Explorer. The GS is nimble, feels half its weight, easy to ride off road, does not feel top heavy, and easy to lift if it goes down. If you set it up the correct way, it feels like a wide MX bike to me. That being said, the F900GS definitely looks appealing.
The 1200 Tigers (the older ones) are HUGE. The new ones are better, the 900 Tigers are amazing, and the mid size market in general is really where it's at for ADV bikes now.
Felt the same with the new tiger. At 5'9" -31 inseam, the 1200 was the most awkward feeling compared to the Multistrada/1290/GS. 1050DE had the next heaviest feel to me but it was a lot less awkward to handle. Have you sat on the new 1300? It actually feels smaller than F900 with the active suspension. Such a weird feeling.
That boxer engine really fools people. The protusion of it is intimidating. But that's exactly why it feels so lightwheight. I have a 750 GS and the 1250 GS feels a lot lighter.
I have a R1250GS along with a couple dual sport and track bikes. I would take the R1250GS _every time_ over a F900GS for one single reason - it's much easier to pick up. I like to ride on technical trails and push the limits of the big bike and my skill level. I'm expect, and do, drop it often.
The GS is often hated just based on the brand/price tag. But anyone that has ever ridden one will tell you that they're the best all rounder ever... They don't excell at any particular thing, they just do everything right. And I would 100% agree on how reliable they are and easy to maintain. With the exception of replacing a clutch on a air cooled one, but than again I sold mine with 50k miles and the clutch was still solid. I'm on my 2nd GS and tried/owned a number of different bikes, I always go back to the GS.
On dirt, a GS is a whale. A wallowing pig that can break body parts and needs 2 people to pick up. I did have one new BMW. Luckily everything that broke was under warranty. Complete electrical system replacement = 4500.00 in parts. The shop was at a loss. Mechanic hinted I should off the thing. I did. I know guys that love them say they are perfect, they arent all perfect.
I have a mid weight adv . Dropped it 2 times . Every part of the bike is scratched and damaged. And it’s 2months since i got it. I sometime feel like I’m not worth riding that big expensive bike. But i think that bike is made for that and it teaches me something that no one can. Don’t think too much on dropping the bikes. It does hurt but in exchange you’ll learn a lot and will feel free .
I have a friend with a 1200GS which she has dropped maybe 100 times over the last 7 years. With the protection bars fitted it is hard to tell it has been down. The minor scratches on the protection bars are the only thing that show any damage. The GS's are built strong and built to be dropped every now and then.
I've recently converted to a 2023 Husqvarna Norden 901 expedition for me. This midsize bike with all of the technology of the big bikes and is best for a single rider I put over 54,000 miles on a 2017 BMW GSA very happy with that bike, but was expensive to maintain an extremely expensive to buy, prior to that bike I had a 2014 KTM 1190 R which I put 44,000 miles on it. Awesome bike both on an off-road. Before the Norden I put 40,000 miles on a KTM 690 great BDR bike but not good at carrying luggage especially if you were camping, so my take is you don't have to go small and you don't have to go large go midsize and buy the best midsize bike, for me that's the Husqvarna Norden 901 expedition price was $15,700.
Well said! Switching motocycles to learn at least. The perfect tool is changing if you change the type of work. The way it is. There is no motorcycle perfect for everythin. One thing I miss: I love the sound of the older boxer engines!
I went a similar route with a KTM 890r and put the Pro suspension on it. The problem was the bike was so good off road that I ended up trying to ride it on technical trails where it really had no business being unless you are Chris Birch. Downsized to a 690r and it is perfect for my type of riding, which is day trips only. The Norden 901 or KTM 890 platforms are perfect for longer trips for sure.
You are absolutely right. I took some training lessons and learned how to ride a bike bike, now I can ride anywhere for as long as I desire. And man, once you come off some rough terrain, and then hit the highway, what a feeling!
That was my favourite vid. Honest and in context. As a guide in Europe I can relate. That issue is a lot of of people won’t commit the time to learn the skills. UK riding is very technical and I believe light is right for the UK trails UNLESS you have the learnt the skills and big bike is fun for the challenge. I like this honest and to the point vid. Keep them coming JP
I have the Behemoth R1200 GSA and I wouldn't exchange my girl for anything else. I have crossed the desert, and rode in passes that a Jeep would weep. Rivers, canyons, trails, and more. I ride heavy, as I do it solo and I camp a lot. I carry lots of tools, for me and for the people in need on the road. And on the tarmac... oh man... Having said that, I admit that my Bavarian Bear is a little too much when you have to lift it up several times in a day, especially fully loaded. I get that. But I have the size and the strength to deal with it. If I was riding trails on a single day, close to home sure, give me a lighter bike and I would be happy. But I don't do that. I ride far and wide. There's no other bike more suited to me. What can I say? I like big girls...
Ahh, so good to see you post this video. This novice rider took one of your courses and learned so much. I am still hanging on to my GS 1200 after following many of your tips, I will keep practicing what I learned, when I can, but still need lots of work. Thanks again for posting and instructions. JR
Well, it’s your money your choice. But as you already mentioned you have the skills, 80% of the riders that buy ADV bikes don’t take it that far. Why? IMO skill level, which is fine, not every Ferrari owner knows how to drive a fancy super sport car on a track, but that doesn’t mean they can’t own one 😂. Many TH-cam channels show how to ride a big ADV bike, but what those channel never say is that it requires time, skills, gear, enthusiasm, long legs, strength, etc. we like to watch channels like this and others just because it makes us feel like we can learn something and we do learn, but definitely not every rider is made to be a pro 😢. Awesome video as always!
Good post. But also important to note it is not just inexperienced riders that choose or are better off riding lighter adventure bikes. For many experienced riders it just makes sense not to add risk to the adventure, and it will be more fun riding a lighter bike offroad as long as it doesn't beat you up in the process. If conditions get nasty, a lighter bike will be easier to get out of trouble, especially if you ride alone. If you get a GS stuck in a mud hole or over an embankment, you will not get it out on your own. It is that simple. The problem is the manufactures don't build a light weight (170-180kg) twin with 18/21 wheels and decent suspension. If bikes like that were available, then these behemoths would look more absurd.
Ive never once ridden with anyone who could ride real off road on a GS, Ive been riding for years and it must be a rare thing. Most if not all shy away from dirt. Its like watching Chris Birch ride a 1290R like its a MX bike. Guys go and buy one. Yes! Some guys can do it! They get paid to do it and make it look easy. Has no bearing on an everyday guy who has to actually pay for the bike he rides, and god forbid have go to a real job on monday with a cast on his leg.
I respect your opinion and your choice. I know several guys who ride these huge bikes like dirt bikes. I grew up riding off road and consider myself better than average on a big bike off road. I do see so many riders who have never ridden dirt start on these big bikes and have a really tough learning curve. Some get hurt and some just quit. Some do well. I will never stop recommending a lighter bike for new riders to learn some dirt skills on first. If I have the free time to do a cross continent ride I ride a big bike. But for local off road rides I will always enjoy the pleasure of riding a light bike. So much control and confidence with so many less compromises.
My 23GSA is my ultimate travel bike.. i go everywhere!!! I love it. I don't turn around like i did on a Harley when I'm in a long tour and the payment unexpectedly goes away. I really enjoy the bike and I'm enjoying getting into more remote areas. I'm not sure I'll be an expert off road rider, but I am having fun.
Good stuff Dusty. You are spot on Pal. Only those who do it really understand. Avoiding these beasts doesn’t make anyone an expert on their capabilities. With skill, they are incredible.
Dusty makes some excellent points, though I'm partial to a second-hand dirt bike I can beat the F out of without fear costing myself any serious money and knowing I can left it up a dozen times without breaking a sweat. Adventure bikes are really about long-distance riding in areas with poor roads, not afternoons spent hooning through farmland (with owner's permission), logging trails, or beaches.
For you, perhaps. It’s called freedom of choice and shouldn’t be given up, or criticized, lightly. I’m sure that North Korea only permits one official motorcycle. But I have no desire to have other people make these decisions for me. Not sure why anyone would.
that’s so true! Freedom of choice. I saw a video of a lady that road a Honda Fireblade through the Pamirs in Tajikistan, she left Europe on it. Tell her there are many better choices!!
The most honest video that I have seen in a long time, thank you 👍. I love bigger bikes for the comfort on longer rides. I am currently doing my research on what to get next, GS, Multistrada,or Triumph 🤔😅
Seems like the big bikes fit your needs very well. I am 67 and do a lot of solo day trips, including off road. I have moved from a KTM 890r to a KTM 690r as the weight of the 890r got to be a problem if I had to pick it up in tough terrain(only had to do that once but once was enough!). The 690r is the perfect compromise for me. It is OK for day trips and light enough that I can handle it very well, while being acceptable for highway riding. My off road riding skills are pretty good, but even with good skills the lighter 690r is just more fun. I only do day trips though, so for multi-day rides with a lot of pavement the 690r would not be the right bike.
You and I are in the same camp. I agree with everything you said in this video. They are extremely capable machines and with a little bit of skill, they are very enjoyable to ride even in technical terrain.
For epic trips, big bikes rule! They can get you into (and usually out of) plenty of tight spots, but that is only a fraction of what you'll encounter on any long adventure. For every mile of sand wash or rocky trail, there are 1000 miles of tarmac and dirt road. The power to chug up and over the Andes and comfort to grind out 10-12 hour days between backwater towns are awesome.
I completely agree with this. I rode a 1981 Honda XL500 back in the 80s, once even on a 3,300 mile trip from Northern CA to the Canadian border and back, decades before the term adventure bike came into being. Last year I did something crazy, crazy for me because I'm a very frugal person by nature. I decided that the time to get a new bike and head out into the wilds on an adventure bike was now or never for me. I'm 6', 1" tall, so bike height is not an issue for me. I looked at bikes from the Honda CB500 up to the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I hemmed and hawed over the big bike question. Then the Husqvarna 901 Expedition came out, and I wrote a check and never looked back. My summary conclusion was like yours, "why not?" My typical rides begin with a mile of dirt road from my house to a county gravel road, to a county twisty paved road, to USFS forest service roads, to single track and back. I am addicted to to the power and love gliding through the twisties. I love the amazing suspension (WP Explor) that just swallows the holes and spits them out like they were nothing. Redlining the tac through third gear makes me feel like I'm on a rocket ship. Why not? : P
I've owned 800s, 900s, and 1200s. At age 60, I now ride a fully modded 300L. I can run 65 all day long and go anywhere here in CO. From I-70 to Mosquito Pass. Hey Dusty, have you ever had someone say, I wish I had a heavier bike on any of your rides?
As a Multi V4S rider who loves taking the bike off road, thanks for making this video! The bike is just so good to get around on, and when you do encounter an off road trail or section of gravel, it's nice not to have to get bummed out and turn around! Is it sometimes challenging and hard? Absolutely, but it's also a lot of fun and it's satisfying to push yourself outside of your comfort zone and look back and say that you did that. Also looking forward to trying the Desert X.
I have one of the new 1200 Tigers with the 21 inch front tire. I didn't have ant off-road experience before I bout it but I can tell you that I can keep up with most of my mates on much smaller bikes who do have a lot more experience than me. I am finding it a lot easier in the dirt than I had expected. So far so good. If I lived near more dirt roads and could have two bikes then I would love a smaller and lighter bike for the really tough stuff but then I would not want to be travelling far on highways to get to the tougher stuff.
Another really nice video. Perfect sound, perfect camera, perfect editing with a really nice, likeable dude who knows what he's talking about, simply wonderful to watch. But unfortunately it takes far too long until the next video ;) P.S. love to travel with my big bike (also offroad) and would never switch to a light version.
Years ago BMW had a very large presence in the Paris Dakar rally... I don't believe BMW has the quality they once had... Just my opinion... Good stuff thanks for posting...
Welcome back Dusty. It's been a while. The moment you started on the topic I was thinking that the bike should match the rider before it matches the terrain.
I own an AT DCT and just finished revamping my old mono Honda XL 600 R (1986). After starting to ride this late animal, I rediscovered that light is right (Colin Chapman). 140 kg, mono, only fun, no fears. Consequence: I'll only use the AT DCT for long travels throughout Europe. All the rest: the mono...🤘
A rider should ride what they want to ride, no matter what others think. But the market is pushing big heavy expensive bikes instead of small light cheep ones. My perfect bike would be light, not to expensive (if I drop it I do not empty my wallet) and fuel efficient with the option to get more power if needed but range is more important. And that the gearing would fit both off road and pavement, that the first 4 gears would be made for off road and the top 2 would be made for highway speed.
Would be good if they made one with a dual ratio gearbox, we had a farmbike like that years ago used the low ratio on the farm and high when going up the road
I have been riding a ‘23 gs adventure commuting every day for about six months now. It doesn’t feel nearly as heavy as it is. BMW really put the weight down low. I used to ride a V-Strom 1050 and it was extremely top heavy caused me to drop it many times off-road. Only dropped the gs once so far and it is easy to pick up by myself too what a bonus!! V-Strom required a second person to help pick it back up every time.
I got a GS1200 and started on it offroad, and totally agree with your starting comments - although it was a somewhat steep learning curve, I love it. I've tried the Tenere and some other lighter mid sized bikes and even taking the 21" front into account (which sucks on the black stuff), im so comfortable and tuned in with my GS now I don't think I want a smaller adv. Actually thinking of moving up to a 1250 like yours. Also, I don't only do 'green' route either, my riding buddies ride KTMs and Africa Twins and we've toured Namibia and South Africa extensively. I love my GS! Your fork comments are interesting though, and the new 900gs seems like a viable option too. Keep posting, your stuff rocks!
I have over 78k miles on my 2017 GSA best bike I've ever owned i do ride off road as much as I can have done one BDR by myself 2¹/² months after complete knee replacement. I've taken it places alone i probably shouldn't have but I've also turned around alot of times also. I would really like to try out the Ducati multistrada v4 rally but I don't have that kind of $ anymore 😢. Great video Dusty keep them coming.
I just got my 2021 1250gs and i will say it feels far more stable than my CB500x which is 200 lbs lighter. Im still learning on its offroad use, but now that i have proper crash bars i feel more comfortable pushing a little harder on my training exercises. I love this bike
I got a T7 first. 2 years later got a ‘23 1250 GSA. Have only ridden my T7 once since then. I put an awesome suspension on the GSA and I’ll take it anywhere I ever took the T7.
Just bought a Teneré 700 and I absolutely love it, probably gonna go up 1-2 teeth on the front sprocket just for better fuel economy on the highway tho
6 foot tall KTM 1290 R rider here. I absolutely love the bike for travel over any paved, gravel, or seasonal road. However. Once the route of travel gets any more technical than two track, it is a lot of weight to manage, and it has a very high standover height, when things knock you around and you have to dab, it is challenging to get the purchase required with your feet to keep the machine upright. It is then a lot of weight to pick up. All this weight also means things are more apt to break when a crash happens. With my buddies on lighter dual sports, sometimes that means going on an easier track. Not a big deal, but you do feel like you miss out on 'the good stuff'. That said, I wouldnt trade this bike for anything on the travel side.
What makes this bike so great, and why it's going to be my first big bike purchase in a year or two, is because it checks all of the boxes. I'm 57 years old now, and I don't want a garage full of different bikes. This bike is great for short blasts, touring, grocery shopping, and trail riding. If anyone asks me to join them for a ride anywhere other than maybe true offroad mudding (not interested anyway), this bike is perfect. Expensive? Yes. 100K mile capability? Yes.
Couldn't agree more - I'd take my ktm 990 adv out to all the difficult hills and sand sections I found most intimidating - and practice over and over until mastering it.
That’s true of almost every motorcycle, particularly crotch rockets. No one needs more than about 25 horsepower and few can fully use more than about 80. But I don’t want big brother making that decision for me. Hopefully you don’t either.
Agree Most riders can’t use the capability or tech of anything above 300-400 cc. I think it’s ridiculous how much delicate electronics are put on a bike that is going to get dropped LOTS IF you are trying to improve, ride in different traction environments etc. Ego BS purchase/waste of $ for many. Big bike can carry more gear safely for longer more comfortable trips for those who Moto/dry camp.
@@willmcgregor7184 fortunately you can drop the GS lots and pretty much never hurt it. It's the most durable of the middle and heavyweights, and easiest to pick up.
Agree hundred percent on why ride the big bikes , especially the Boxer GS/GSA- to me it encourages you to train harder, gotten stuck in mud, in sand…but even with kitted out , due to the boxer, got her back up…have had other riders be amazed that my 5’9” butt was able to get her back and going…yes a little enduro is easier to ride off road, obviously…but if I want to ride 250 miles than go off road, life is good. Not a pro by any standard, but the durability and capability of these GS’s, is why the benchmark…and yes I do my own servicing with my tough pad to correct faults or resets in the canbus…how many brands allow that? Have owned Hondas, Suzuki, Harley’s and even have CT1 175 Yamaha…keep your vids, and advice coming, we can always learn more!
I was one of those naysayers two years ago the bought a used 2006 R1200GS and freaking love it i ended up selling my 650l honda loved that too because the GS did what i wanted im 71 and ride alot of offroad two track mostly ,camping and living! Get out and ride people!
If you think all motorcycles are reliable from new there’s a few brands and models you’re not aware of (cough) Harley. I’m aware of Motto Guzzi owners whose brand new bikes were unrideable for almost 12 months due to constant failures and parts shortages. And cheap Chinese engines have very short lifetimes.
@@morstyrannis1951 Agree, but 40k is nothing to brag about. I have a friend who says BMW is reliable, but admits they gave him a new bike every two years. My 2001 Hayabusa has never had a problem; nor my 2008 Vstrom, or my Hondas or Yamahas.
I couldn't agree more about being more planted at high speed that's for sure. I ride a big bike because I live in the High Desert of Nevada. The huge mountains I see in the background that are calling my name could be 60 miles away or more. I don't want to ride 60 miles on a CRF pinned and then ride the mountains and try and ride back pinned. I love my GSA Prove Me Wrong!!!
I find the same with dirt bikes , it's one reason I've never liked small 2 strokes as they feel like they bounce around alot, I'm much quicker on a 450 4 stroke, just more stable and planted.Having said that I think any 200kg + bike is fairly planted. Would love to try a big GS, would sure be nice on the road.
Thanks for the inspiration! I love my GS but struggle quite a bit here in the Florida sand while practicing. Riding from SWFL to ID, WY, and CO to run the BDR’s was comfy on the long ride out and I found it very capable off road as well
GS stands for Gelände Straße. Off road + street. Like Dusty says, load ‘er up like a pack mule, ride 500 miles in comfort, then pull onto the dirt! My ‘05 GS is still a beast, fast and agile in traffic, and Boxer balanced and incredibly torquey off idle pulling up dirt trails. GS’s are also a commanding presence filtering to the front of an intersection with Amber riding lights. 🟡🟡 The GS is the proverbial Swiss Army knife.
My first comment is Man you have the same last name as me. My name is Randy Wessels. It isn't a common name so i think it is cool that I found someone that somewhere down the line we could be related. I bought a 2023 Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer a month ago and I am loving it. I haven't taken it off road yet but i will in the future. Most of my riding will be pavement with an occasional dirt road. I do have dirt riding experience as i used to race motocross but not on this heavy bike. I enjoyed the video so I am subscribed.
Big and heavy is good for Nevada 60mph crosswinds. Driving home 850 miles in one day because I was out for 3 weeks and done. Dirt in eastern Oregon, Nevada, Idaho with tons of camping gear and an ice chest. It was the right bike for those type of trips. I call it my old man bike. When I want to slow down and enjoy the scenery. Else I’m on the mt09.
Excellent video. You realize your riding skills are the top 1% of all riders. My concern is what effect the lifting of such a heavy bike has on the body in the long run, even when using proper techniques. The joints and the spine specifically. Stresses can accumulate over long periods of time and then burst into a physical symptom when the least expected and needed. Joint replacements? Spine with damaged discs reducing mobility in old age? Hmmm.
Awesome post!! I am a newer rider, got back into riding like 4 years ago. Started off on a Vstrom 650, and just bought a 1250GSA last year, and freaking love it. I am learning some off road skills and love every second on the bike. It's ridiculous hearing all of the backlash about these bikes, and honestly don't get it. Why be so noisy about it? If people were confident with their decision to ride smaller bikes, then why bitch about the bigger bikes? I love the GS for everything you stated and plan to be on it for a very long time and grow into it as I develop more skill! Cheers man!
My new favorite moto guy, and it's the first time I've seen or heard of this guy, but I enjoyed the video from start to finish. Bmw needs to send him the new 1300 they know damn well they don't have anyone on their payroll who could've sold that bike so we'll.
once in a while we come across videos like this but truth of the matter is that , in all these videos the terrains are regularly visited ones and not even one terrain is unexplored territory. You go to the same place over and over again it becomes easy for you cos you already know what comes next. most of these trails in so many videos can be done by a 125cc or 150ccbike amazingly. you'll realize how heavy your bike is when you go through one tough challenge.
Practice On Man I spend lots of time on my dirt bike learning skills to transfer to my ADV. Sad how few people will put time into practicing. LITTLE is learned just riding. Slow speed of balance skills are invaluable!
Thanks for this video! This makes me realize I need to practice more on my AT AS, it is an amazing bike but I still need to learn how to handle it in moderate to heavy offroad. I always end up taking my DR650 which, tbh is extremely fun off-road but a pain in the ass (literally) on highway.
I grew up with dirtbikes and street bikes. Got a v-strom about a year ago... first time in sand and through twisty fire roads I quickly realized I did not have the skill set for this type of riding! I've been considering a dual sport to "bridge the gap" and improve my skills a bit, then back to the v-strom or maybe a different adventire bike all together! But , man, that sand! 😂
A used Honda Africa Twin offers better value and affordable reliability (parts cost), so if I wanted a bigger bike, that's what I would buy. To each their own though!
One thing you didn't mention is that it largely comes down to your terrain preference for that specific bike? I say that specific bike because many of us end up with more than one bike :) How much tarmac vs dirt? What level of technical terrain will you ride? If it's basic off-road as shown, mixed with a bunch of tarmac, then I'd agree that you can pretty much pick any bike within your skillset that makes the tarmac more comfortable. If your preference is tarmac only when needed in order to get to rock climbs, single track and more technical off-road then you'll quickly gravitate towards lighter bikes.
If you want a heavy ADV Touring bike that won't break the bank, is reliable as a hammer and considerably less complicated, I heartily recommend the Yamaha Super Tenere. On paper it looks kind of disappointing, but once you start using it you realize that there's a lot to like about something that just plain *works*.
Lot's of folks have realized that "Adventure bike" doesn't mean "this bike makes up for my lack of skill and training." But small adventure bikes do. And dual sport guys will always advocate for smaller bikes. But they fail to appreciate the difference electronic suspension makes. The GS (Esp ESA models) and the Multistrada with skyhook, or even the Aprilia Caponord with Aprilia Dynamic Damping, give you a perfect set up based on the conditions. I once took My Caponord (17" front wheel) over a gnarley rock garden and it was composed. Granted, it required positive throttle, shifting weight back and looking past the problems, but the suspension was great. Same with the GS. Even with the Telelever, the ESA makes adjustments on the fly that help make it more capable than it should be. Big bikes have all sorts of advantages.
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Finally, some honesty from a big bike ADV rider. Thank you!
Because I can - is what I heard. If that’s your bag, then rock on dude.
Dusty, man you gotta post more! We miss ya dude!
Thank you for this! So tired of everyone telling people what they should be riding. Just go out and enjoy yourself. Just because you cant handle it doesn't mean all of us can't.
True, but most people can't handle a 500lb+ bike off road and telling them 500lb+ is no factor doesn't help them spend their money wisely. And since when did sharing your lived experience "telling other people what to do"?
I hear people say this, then I end up riding with them as they deal with their 580 lb GS on dirt.
Their talk never equals their ability. Deep sand on a slow trail with tight corners.
Trees too close together for the bike to fit. Big rocks.
By all means ride the giants. I ride a tricked out 690 and broadslide it, wheelie it, flattrack it, play all day.
It’s truly disappointing to hear experienced instructors making a commercial for 580 lbs bikes and making an argument that it’s great if you just develop the skills. But without sharing how hours and years they’ve ridden and trained hard terrain such statements are utterly meaningless. By the same token one could argue that anyone can ride a 200+ HP Pani V4. You just need training and practice. Too many people go off-roading alone in treacherous terrain on big bikes already. This is just poor judgment.
@@johanballin6601 sooooo that's the youtubers problem that folks get in over their heads? 😒
@@bradsanders6954 Yeah, but the balance btwn offroad and road are phenomenal.
Awesome points. I agree. I want my ADV bike to excel at touring, which the GS does. I hope you can spend time on the 1300GS soon - they added the ability to fine tune the suspension like you were showing on the Multistrada. The 1300 is a big improvement both on and off road, and will make you fall in love with the GS even more... let's ride again soon!
Glad to hear the good news about the 1300GS, Ian.
- Tim
I think the key here is to keep in mind that offroad riding and adventure touring are quite different things. Most people are ok with these big adventure bikes being used for tarmac and gravel roads, basically conditions that allow you to get to the end of your continent without trying to emulate enduro or motocross riders. These big bikes are meant to travel and when you travel and encounter a difficult pass you always have the choice to drive through an easier and safer one.
You hit the nail on the head!
Except when you have a KTM 1090R/1190R/1290R. Then you can ride them like an oversized dirt bike 🙂 We will mix a group of 300 two strokes, 450/500 four strokes and the big KTM twins. The KTMs do very well until the most extreme stuff like MX track and hard enduro conditions.
Ditto. On tighter trails it seems like riders have to focus more on keeping control of the bike than having fun and just blasting through. Which you get to do with lighter enduros... I've never owned such a big bike as they have never made me feel comfortable. I grew on on 2 strokes MX bikes and then to 400, 650 XR's... Long tarmac rides aren't my thing so i suppose it boils down the type of riding you do... and the style as well. I'm now closing up to my 50's so gone are the days CR's, KX's, YZ's made my day....
That's how I use my GSA. It's my Swiss army bike. It does everything. Commutes, eats miles, camping, hotels, bike nights, hooligan riding, carving the canyon.. i don't car about paint on a gravel/dirty road like I did on my Harley. I don't turn around in the middle of Arizona when the road gets iffy. I just make my way though and get to the beautiful view and campground. My Harley I would have turned around.
That weight helps so much in the wind and long distance. The off road compromise is worth it on the long hall if you are an advanced rider. I keep my 1200gs on the road. But someday I will get board and take to a little bit more than a fire road.
Dusty runs a great training program for all levels of ADV riders.
Before watching, I just want to say I'm 5'6" tall.
I grew up racing motocross, and have had a lot of bikes.
My last adventure bike, before the R1250GS was a Tiger Explorer 1200.
THAT bike almost made me quit ADV riding. It felt huge, it was hard to handle, top heavy and picking it up felt like I was deadlifting 400LBs.
Then I rode my friends GS, my first order of business was to dump the Explorer.
The GS is nimble, feels half its weight, easy to ride off road, does not feel top heavy, and easy to lift if it goes down.
If you set it up the correct way, it feels like a wide MX bike to me.
That being said, the F900GS definitely looks appealing.
The 1200 Tigers (the older ones) are HUGE. The new ones are better, the 900 Tigers are amazing, and the mid size market in general is really where it's at for ADV bikes now.
Felt the same with the new tiger. At 5'9" -31 inseam, the 1200 was the most awkward feeling compared to the Multistrada/1290/GS. 1050DE had the next heaviest feel to me but it was a lot less awkward to handle. Have you sat on the new 1300? It actually feels smaller than F900 with the active suspension. Such a weird feeling.
That boxer engine really fools people. The protusion of it is intimidating. But that's exactly why it feels so lightwheight. I have a 750 GS and the 1250 GS feels a lot lighter.
@@lpls Those jugs make it a lot easier to pick up =) Replaced my 1200GS with a Tiger 900RP, and it's a bitch to pick up from flat.
I have a R1250GS along with a couple dual sport and track bikes. I would take the R1250GS _every time_ over a F900GS for one single reason - it's much easier to pick up. I like to ride on technical trails and push the limits of the big bike and my skill level. I'm expect, and do, drop it often.
The GS is often hated just based on the brand/price tag. But anyone that has ever ridden one will tell you that they're the best all rounder ever... They don't excell at any particular thing, they just do everything right.
And I would 100% agree on how reliable they are and easy to maintain. With the exception of replacing a clutch on a air cooled one, but than again I sold mine with 50k miles and the clutch was still solid.
I'm on my 2nd GS and tried/owned a number of different bikes, I always go back to the GS.
I'd say they excel at cranking out miles. Only the giant road touring bikes are better!
And a nice used GS is a great value if your budget is $10k.
On dirt, a GS is a whale. A wallowing pig that can break body parts and needs 2 people to pick up.
I did have one new BMW. Luckily everything that broke was under warranty.
Complete electrical system replacement = 4500.00 in parts. The shop was at a loss.
Mechanic hinted I should off the thing. I did.
I know guys that love them say they are perfect, they arent all perfect.
Great video Dusty. Lots of great points made on both types of bikes. Keep the videos coming!
I forgot this channel existed thanks for posting
I have a mid weight adv . Dropped it 2 times . Every part of the bike is scratched and damaged. And it’s 2months since i got it. I sometime feel like I’m not worth riding that big expensive bike. But i think that bike is made for that and it teaches me something that no one can. Don’t think too much on dropping the bikes. It does hurt but in exchange you’ll learn a lot and will feel free .
I have a friend with a 1200GS which she has dropped maybe 100 times over the last 7 years. With the protection bars fitted it is hard to tell it has been down. The minor scratches on the protection bars are the only thing that show any damage. The GS's are built strong and built to be dropped every now and then.
@@tonyw4863 damn right . I’ve never seen a broken gs 🥶
I've recently converted to a 2023 Husqvarna Norden 901 expedition for me. This midsize bike with all of the technology of the big bikes and is best for a single rider I put over 54,000 miles on a 2017 BMW GSA very happy with that bike, but was expensive to maintain an extremely expensive to buy, prior to that bike I had a 2014 KTM 1190 R which I put 44,000 miles on it. Awesome bike both on an off-road. Before the Norden I put 40,000 miles on a KTM 690 great BDR bike but not good at carrying luggage especially if you were camping, so my take is you don't have to go small and you don't have to go large go midsize and buy the best midsize bike, for me that's the Husqvarna Norden 901 expedition price was $15,700.
Well said!
Switching motocycles to learn at least.
The perfect tool is changing if you change the type of work. The way it is. There is no motorcycle perfect for everythin.
One thing I miss: I love the sound of the older boxer engines!
I went a similar route with a KTM 890r and put the Pro suspension on it. The problem was the bike was so good off road that I ended up trying to ride it on technical trails where it really had no business being unless you are Chris Birch. Downsized to a 690r and it is perfect for my type of riding, which is day trips only. The Norden 901 or KTM 890 platforms are perfect for longer trips for sure.
Same here, I have a 2023
I love videos with Dusty. Such a great explainer, very well spoken.
You are absolutely right. I took some training lessons and learned how to ride a bike bike, now I can ride anywhere for as long as I desire. And man, once you come off some rough terrain, and then hit the highway, what a feeling!
That was my favourite vid. Honest and in context. As a guide in Europe I can relate. That issue is a lot of of people won’t commit the time to learn the skills. UK riding is very technical and I believe light is right for the UK trails UNLESS you have the learnt the skills and big bike is fun for the challenge. I like this honest and to the point vid. Keep them coming
JP
I have the Behemoth R1200 GSA and I wouldn't exchange my girl for anything else. I have crossed the desert, and rode in passes that a Jeep would weep. Rivers, canyons, trails, and more. I ride heavy, as I do it solo and I camp a lot. I carry lots of tools, for me and for the people in need on the road. And on the tarmac... oh man...
Having said that, I admit that my Bavarian Bear is a little too much when you have to lift it up several times in a day, especially fully loaded. I get that. But I have the size and the strength to deal with it. If I was riding trails on a single day, close to home sure, give me a lighter bike and I would be happy. But I don't do that. I ride far and wide. There's no other bike more suited to me. What can I say? I like big girls...
Ahh, so good to see you post this video. This novice rider took one of your courses and learned so much. I am still hanging on to my GS 1200 after following many of your tips, I will keep practicing what I learned, when I can, but still need lots of work. Thanks again for posting and instructions. JR
Well, it’s your money your choice. But as you already mentioned you have the skills, 80% of the riders that buy ADV bikes don’t take it that far. Why? IMO skill level, which is fine, not every Ferrari owner knows how to drive a fancy super sport car on a track, but that doesn’t mean they can’t own one 😂. Many TH-cam channels show how to ride a big ADV bike, but what those channel never say is that it requires time, skills, gear, enthusiasm, long legs, strength, etc. we like to watch channels like this and others just because it makes us feel like we can learn something and we do learn, but definitely not every rider is made to be a pro 😢. Awesome video as always!
Good post. But also important to note it is not just inexperienced riders that choose or are better off riding lighter adventure bikes. For many experienced riders it just makes sense not to add risk to the adventure, and it will be more fun riding a lighter bike offroad as long as it doesn't beat you up in the process. If conditions get nasty, a lighter bike will be easier to get out of trouble, especially if you ride alone. If you get a GS stuck in a mud hole or over an embankment, you will not get it out on your own. It is that simple.
The problem is the manufactures don't build a light weight (170-180kg) twin with 18/21 wheels and decent suspension. If bikes like that were available, then these behemoths would look more absurd.
Agreed.
Not all are as qualified.
Takes a bunch of effort and dedication to big adv off road.
Ive never once ridden with anyone who could ride real off road on a GS, Ive been riding for years and it must be a rare thing. Most if not all shy away from dirt.
Its like watching Chris Birch ride a 1290R like its a MX bike. Guys go and buy one.
Yes! Some guys can do it! They get paid to do it and make it look easy.
Has no bearing on an everyday guy who has to actually pay for the bike he rides, and god forbid have go to a real job on monday with a cast on his leg.
This is a great marketing video for big bikes. Not much more.
Well said Dusty! Looking forward to our next Level 3 training!
He’s back, yippeeee
I respect your opinion and your choice. I know several guys who ride these huge bikes like dirt bikes. I grew up riding off road and consider myself better than average on a big bike off road.
I do see so many riders who have never ridden dirt start on these big bikes and have a really tough learning curve. Some get hurt and some just quit. Some do well.
I will never stop recommending a lighter bike for new riders to learn some dirt skills on first.
If I have the free time to do a cross continent ride I ride a big bike.
But for local off road rides I will always enjoy the pleasure of riding a light bike. So much control and confidence with so many less compromises.
My 23GSA is my ultimate travel bike.. i go everywhere!!! I love it. I don't turn around like i did on a Harley when I'm in a long tour and the payment unexpectedly goes away. I really enjoy the bike and I'm enjoying getting into more remote areas. I'm not sure I'll be an expert off road rider, but I am having fun.
Good stuff Dusty. You are spot on Pal. Only those who do it really understand. Avoiding these beasts doesn’t make anyone an expert on their capabilities. With skill, they are incredible.
I'm glad to see you back! Maybe TH-cam moved me on to other things, but I love your videos!!
Yay! Thank you!
Dusty makes some excellent points, though I'm partial to a second-hand dirt bike I can beat the F out of without fear costing myself any serious money and knowing I can left it up a dozen times without breaking a sweat. Adventure bikes are really about long-distance riding in areas with poor roads, not afternoons spent hooning through farmland (with owner's permission), logging trails, or beaches.
It's not that you shouldn't do it, it's just that there are so many better choices.
For you, perhaps. It’s called freedom of choice and shouldn’t be given up, or criticized, lightly.
I’m sure that North Korea only permits one official motorcycle. But I have no desire to have other people make these decisions for me. Not sure why anyone would.
that’s so true! Freedom of choice. I saw a video of a lady that road a Honda Fireblade through the Pamirs in Tajikistan, she left Europe on it. Tell her there are many better choices!!
The most honest video that I have seen in a long time, thank you 👍.
I love bigger bikes for the comfort on longer rides.
I am currently doing my research on what to get next, GS, Multistrada,or Triumph 🤔😅
Another great video. Please keep them coming! Always love Matt jamming in the background!
Right on, Peter!
OMG thank you. You made me want a 1250 again. Thank you so much. Great video.
“Why Not”. Love it!
Seems like the big bikes fit your needs very well. I am 67 and do a lot of solo day trips, including off road. I have moved from a KTM 890r to a KTM 690r as the weight of the 890r got to be a problem if I had to pick it up in tough terrain(only had to do that once but once was enough!). The 690r is the perfect compromise for me. It is OK for day trips and light enough that I can handle it very well, while being acceptable for highway riding. My off road riding skills are pretty good, but even with good skills the lighter 690r is just more fun. I only do day trips though, so for multi-day rides with a lot of pavement the 690r would not be the right bike.
You and I are in the same camp. I agree with everything you said in this video. They are extremely capable machines and with a little bit of skill, they are very enjoyable to ride even in technical terrain.
For epic trips, big bikes rule! They can get you into (and usually out of) plenty of tight spots, but that is only a fraction of what you'll encounter on any long adventure. For every mile of sand wash or rocky trail, there are 1000 miles of tarmac and dirt road. The power to chug up and over the Andes and comfort to grind out 10-12 hour days between backwater towns are awesome.
We need more Dusty videos!
I completely agree with this. I rode a 1981 Honda XL500 back in the 80s, once even on a 3,300 mile trip from Northern CA to the Canadian border and back, decades before the term adventure bike came into being. Last year I did something crazy, crazy for me because I'm a very frugal person by nature. I decided that the time to get a new bike and head out into the wilds on an adventure bike was now or never for me. I'm 6', 1" tall, so bike height is not an issue for me. I looked at bikes from the Honda CB500 up to the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I hemmed and hawed over the big bike question. Then the Husqvarna 901 Expedition came out, and I wrote a check and never looked back. My summary conclusion was like yours, "why not?" My typical rides begin with a mile of dirt road from my house to a county gravel road, to a county twisty paved road, to USFS forest service roads, to single track and back. I am addicted to to the power and love gliding through the twisties. I love the amazing suspension (WP Explor) that just swallows the holes and spits them out like they were nothing. Redlining the tac through third gear makes me feel like I'm on a rocket ship. Why not? : P
Great video… I’m glad to see more content coming back to the channel…
More to come!
I've owned 800s, 900s, and 1200s. At age 60, I now ride a fully modded 300L. I can run 65 all day long and go anywhere here in CO. From I-70 to Mosquito Pass.
Hey Dusty, have you ever had someone say, I wish I had a heavier bike on any of your rides?
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As a Multi V4S rider who loves taking the bike off road, thanks for making this video! The bike is just so good to get around on, and when you do encounter an off road trail or section of gravel, it's nice not to have to get bummed out and turn around! Is it sometimes challenging and hard? Absolutely, but it's also a lot of fun and it's satisfying to push yourself outside of your comfort zone and look back and say that you did that. Also looking forward to trying the Desert X.
Right on!
I have one of the new 1200 Tigers with the 21 inch front tire. I didn't have ant off-road experience before I bout it but I can tell you that I can keep up with most of my mates on much smaller bikes who do have a lot more experience than me. I am finding it a lot easier in the dirt than I had expected. So far so good. If I lived near more dirt roads and could have two bikes then I would love a smaller and lighter bike for the really tough stuff but then I would not want to be travelling far on highways to get to the tougher stuff.
Great choice of bike and the fun you get with the skills you have developed!
Great perspective. Appreciated.
You tell them Dusty…….you badass! 🖖😎
Great video! Informative with high quality production. Thank you
Another really nice video. Perfect sound, perfect camera, perfect editing with a really nice, likeable dude who knows what he's talking about, simply wonderful to watch. But unfortunately it takes far too long until the next video ;) P.S. love to travel with my big bike (also offroad) and would never switch to a light version.
Much appreciated!
Years ago BMW had a very large presence in the Paris Dakar rally... I don't believe BMW has the quality they once had... Just my opinion... Good stuff thanks for posting...
Welcome back Dusty. It's been a while. The moment you started on the topic I was thinking that the bike should match the rider before it matches the terrain.
I own an AT DCT and just finished revamping my old mono Honda XL 600 R (1986). After starting to ride this late animal, I rediscovered that light is right (Colin Chapman). 140 kg, mono, only fun, no fears. Consequence: I'll only use the AT DCT for long travels throughout Europe. All the rest: the mono...🤘
aaaaaaaand that's why got my V4 Rally months ago, great overview for sure, thnx V!
Great video! Training is key for riding big bikes in inappropriate places. But the rewards are worth it.
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So true!
Exactly!
A rider should ride what they want to ride, no matter what others think. But the market is pushing big heavy expensive bikes instead of small light cheep ones. My perfect bike would be light, not to expensive (if I drop it I do not empty my wallet) and fuel efficient with the option to get more power if needed but range is more important. And that the gearing would fit both off road and pavement, that the first 4 gears would be made for off road and the top 2 would be made for highway speed.
Would be good if they made one with a dual ratio gearbox, we had a farmbike like that years ago used the low ratio on the farm and high when going up the road
I really enjoyed this vid, the perspective, and the comparison between 2 top bikes!
I have been riding a ‘23 gs adventure commuting every day for
about six months now. It doesn’t feel nearly as heavy as it is. BMW really put the weight down low. I used to ride a V-Strom 1050 and it was extremely top heavy caused me to drop it many times off-road. Only dropped the gs once so far and it is easy to pick up by myself too what a bonus!! V-Strom required a second person to help pick it back up every time.
I got a GS1200 and started on it offroad, and totally agree with your starting comments - although it was a somewhat steep learning curve, I love it. I've tried the Tenere and some other lighter mid sized bikes and even taking the 21" front into account (which sucks on the black stuff), im so comfortable and tuned in with my GS now I don't think I want a smaller adv. Actually thinking of moving up to a 1250 like yours.
Also, I don't only do 'green' route either, my riding buddies ride KTMs and Africa Twins and we've toured Namibia and South Africa extensively. I love my GS! Your fork comments are interesting though, and the new 900gs seems like a viable option too. Keep posting, your stuff rocks!
I have over 78k miles on my 2017 GSA best bike I've ever owned i do ride off road as much as I can have done one BDR by myself
2¹/² months after complete knee replacement. I've taken it places alone i probably shouldn't have but I've also turned around alot of times also. I would really like to try out the Ducati multistrada v4 rally but I don't have that kind of $ anymore 😢. Great video Dusty keep them coming.
Awesome info and demo! Thanks
I love the boxer motors. Had a 1200rt, last few years a 1200gsa. So much fun, but can also be terrifying off road at times!
I just got my 2021 1250gs and i will say it feels far more stable than my CB500x which is 200 lbs lighter. Im still learning on its offroad use, but now that i have proper crash bars i feel more comfortable pushing a little harder on my training exercises. I love this bike
I got a T7 first. 2 years later got a ‘23 1250 GSA. Have only ridden my T7 once since then. I put an awesome suspension on the GSA and I’ll take it anywhere I ever took the T7.
Way to go!
That's one reason I don't want a GS as a second bike, I love my T7 I don't want to leave it sitting in the shed while I cheat on it with a GS.
riding the wrong bike can often be more fun than the right bike
Just bought a Teneré 700 and I absolutely love it, probably gonna go up 1-2 teeth on the front sprocket just for better fuel economy on the highway tho
6 foot tall KTM 1290 R rider here. I absolutely love the bike for travel over any paved, gravel, or seasonal road. However. Once the route of travel gets any more technical than two track, it is a lot of weight to manage, and it has a very high standover height, when things knock you around and you have to dab, it is challenging to get the purchase required with your feet to keep the machine upright. It is then a lot of weight to pick up.
All this weight also means things are more apt to break when a crash happens.
With my buddies on lighter dual sports, sometimes that means going on an easier track. Not a big deal, but you do feel like you miss out on 'the good stuff'. That said, I wouldnt trade this bike for anything on the travel side.
I ride my 2010 F800GS everywhere except in tight single trail or mud (1 inch rain in heavy black soil forget it). It's a great adventure tourer.
What makes this bike so great, and why it's going to be my first big bike purchase in a year or two, is because it checks all of the boxes. I'm 57 years old now, and I don't want a garage full of different bikes. This bike is great for short blasts, touring, grocery shopping, and trail riding. If anyone asks me to join them for a ride anywhere other than maybe true offroad mudding (not interested anyway), this bike is perfect. Expensive? Yes. 100K mile capability? Yes.
Couldn't agree more - I'd take my ktm 990 adv out to all the difficult hills and sand sections I found most intimidating - and practice over and over until mastering it.
99% of GS's will never be exploited beyond 50% of their true capacities.
We're hoping to improve those statistics, Claudy.
That’s true of almost every motorcycle, particularly crotch rockets. No one needs more than about 25 horsepower and few can fully use more than about 80.
But I don’t want big brother making that decision for me. Hopefully you don’t either.
Agree
Most riders can’t use the capability or tech of anything above 300-400 cc.
I think it’s ridiculous how much delicate electronics are put on a bike that is going to get dropped LOTS IF you are trying to improve,
ride in different traction environments etc.
Ego BS purchase/waste of $ for many.
Big bike can carry more gear safely for longer more comfortable trips for those who
Moto/dry camp.
@@willmcgregor7184 fortunately you can drop the GS lots and pretty much never hurt it. It's the most durable of the middle and heavyweights, and easiest to pick up.
Agree hundred percent on why ride the big bikes , especially the Boxer GS/GSA- to me it encourages you to train harder, gotten stuck in mud, in sand…but even with kitted out , due to the boxer, got her back up…have had other riders be amazed that my 5’9” butt was able to get her back and going…yes a little enduro is easier to ride off road, obviously…but if I want to ride 250 miles than go off road, life is good. Not a pro by any standard, but the durability and capability of these GS’s, is why the benchmark…and yes I do my own servicing with my tough pad to correct faults or resets in the canbus…how many brands allow that? Have owned Hondas, Suzuki, Harley’s and even have CT1 175 Yamaha…keep your vids, and advice coming, we can always learn more!
I was one of those naysayers two years ago the bought a used 2006 R1200GS and freaking love it i ended up selling my 650l honda loved that too because the GS did what i wanted im 71 and ride alot of offroad two track mostly ,camping and living! Get out and ride people!
2:08 How can you discuss reliability when you sold all your bikes while they were still new?
If you think all motorcycles are reliable from new there’s a few brands and models you’re not aware of (cough) Harley. I’m aware of Motto Guzzi owners whose brand new bikes were unrideable for almost 12 months due to constant failures and parts shortages. And cheap Chinese engines have very short lifetimes.
@@morstyrannis1951 Agree, but 40k is nothing to brag about.
I have a friend who says BMW is reliable, but admits they gave him a new bike every two years.
My 2001 Hayabusa has never had a problem; nor my 2008 Vstrom, or my Hondas or Yamahas.
I couldn't agree more about being more planted at high speed that's for sure. I ride a big bike because I live in the High Desert of Nevada. The huge mountains I see in the background that are calling my name could be 60 miles away or more. I don't want to ride 60 miles on a CRF pinned and then ride the mountains and try and ride back pinned. I love my GSA Prove Me Wrong!!!
I find the same with dirt bikes , it's one reason I've never liked small 2 strokes as they feel like they bounce around alot, I'm much quicker on a 450 4 stroke, just more stable and planted.Having said that I think any 200kg + bike is fairly planted. Would love to try a big GS, would sure be nice on the road.
Excellent explanation!
Thanks for the inspiration! I love my GS but struggle quite a bit here in the Florida sand while practicing. Riding from SWFL to ID, WY, and CO to run the BDR’s was comfy on the long ride out and I found it very capable off road as well
Right on, Johnny.
GS stands for Gelände Straße. Off road + street. Like Dusty says, load ‘er up like a pack mule, ride 500 miles in comfort, then pull onto the dirt! My ‘05 GS is still a beast, fast and agile in traffic, and Boxer balanced and incredibly torquey off idle pulling up dirt trails. GS’s are also a commanding presence filtering to the front of an intersection with Amber riding lights. 🟡🟡 The GS is the proverbial Swiss Army knife.
My first comment is Man you have the same last name as me. My name is Randy Wessels. It isn't a common name so i think it is cool that I found someone that somewhere down the line we could be related. I bought a 2023 Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer a month ago and I am loving it. I haven't taken it off road yet but i will in the future. Most of my riding will be pavement with an occasional dirt road. I do have dirt riding experience as i used to race motocross but not on this heavy bike. I enjoyed the video so I am subscribed.
Big and heavy is good for Nevada 60mph crosswinds. Driving home 850 miles in one day because I was out for 3 weeks and done. Dirt in eastern Oregon, Nevada, Idaho with tons of camping gear and an ice chest. It was the right bike for those type of trips. I call it my old man bike. When I want to slow down and enjoy the scenery. Else I’m on the mt09.
Excellent video. You realize your riding skills are the top 1% of all riders. My concern is what effect the lifting of such a heavy bike has on the body in the long run, even when using proper techniques. The joints and the spine specifically. Stresses can accumulate over long periods of time and then burst into a physical symptom when the least expected and needed. Joint replacements? Spine with damaged discs reducing mobility in old age? Hmmm.
Thanks!
Luv ur videos man.
Awesome post!! I am a newer rider, got back into riding like 4 years ago. Started off on a Vstrom 650, and just bought a 1250GSA last year, and freaking love it. I am learning some off road skills and love every second on the bike. It's ridiculous hearing all of the backlash about these bikes, and honestly don't get it. Why be so noisy about it? If people were confident with their decision to ride smaller bikes, then why bitch about the bigger bikes? I love the GS for everything you stated and plan to be on it for a very long time and grow into it as I develop more skill! Cheers man!
I like big bikes, and I cannot lie 😁
I have a Kawasaki KLR 650 2023, and I love it 💚
I went from the Africa twin to the tenree and it was a game changer
Right on, Sean.
My new favorite moto guy, and it's the first time I've seen or heard of this guy, but I enjoyed the video from start to finish. Bmw needs to send him the new 1300 they know damn well they don't have anyone on their payroll who could've sold that bike so we'll.
once in a while we come across videos like this but truth of the matter is that , in all these videos the terrains are regularly visited ones and not even one terrain is unexplored territory. You go to the same place over and over again it becomes easy for you cos you already know what comes next. most of these trails in so many videos can be done by a 125cc or 150ccbike amazingly. you'll realize how heavy your bike is when you go through one tough challenge.
We can only film in places where the cameraman can gain access, and he's not an expert rider.
Awesome video
Thanks!
Nice video; but I do mostly off road and I think that smaller bikes generally do better. Thank you for your video!
Fair enough!
Excellent video.
Great video, thanks.
Practice On Man
I spend lots of time on my dirt bike learning skills to transfer to my ADV.
Sad how few people will put time into practicing.
LITTLE is learned just riding.
Slow speed of balance skills are invaluable!
Thanks for this video! This makes me realize I need to practice more on my AT AS, it is an amazing bike but I still need to learn how to handle it in moderate to heavy offroad. I always end up taking my DR650 which, tbh is extremely fun off-road but a pain in the ass (literally) on highway.
I grew up with dirtbikes and street bikes. Got a v-strom about a year ago... first time in sand and through twisty fire roads I quickly realized I did not have the skill set for this type of riding! I've been considering a dual sport to "bridge the gap" and improve my skills a bit, then back to the v-strom or maybe a different adventire bike all together! But , man, that sand! 😂
Yep - sand sucks.
I officially quit beemer for the Norden 901 Expedition. Better in every way imo.
Good choice!
You checked all the points concern...nail it ,..💯🙏🤙🤘🤟👍✊️💫🙂
Chris Birch: YES 😂
A used Honda Africa Twin offers better value and affordable reliability (parts cost), so if I wanted a bigger bike, that's what I would buy. To each their own though!
1st gen AT's Rock! 86,000 miles on mine and still going :)
Love my old 2007 1200 gs it’s goes any where on or off road.
short of to endure! 🙂
Mototrek is BACK! And with NEW SOUNDTRACK!
p = mv That means more mass leads to more momentum, regardless of whether velocity decreases or remains unchanged.
One thing you didn't mention is that it largely comes down to your terrain preference for that specific bike? I say that specific bike because many of us end up with more than one bike :) How much tarmac vs dirt? What level of technical terrain will you ride? If it's basic off-road as shown, mixed with a bunch of tarmac, then I'd agree that you can pretty much pick any bike within your skillset that makes the tarmac more comfortable. If your preference is tarmac only when needed in order to get to rock climbs, single track and more technical off-road then you'll quickly gravitate towards lighter bikes.
If you want a heavy ADV Touring bike that won't break the bank, is reliable as a hammer and considerably less complicated, I heartily recommend the Yamaha Super Tenere. On paper it looks kind of disappointing, but once you start using it you realize that there's a lot to like about something that just plain *works*.
We love conquering the beast
Lot's of folks have realized that "Adventure bike" doesn't mean "this bike makes up for my lack of skill and training." But small adventure bikes do. And dual sport guys will always advocate for smaller bikes. But they fail to appreciate the difference electronic suspension makes. The GS (Esp ESA models) and the Multistrada with skyhook, or even the Aprilia Caponord with Aprilia Dynamic Damping, give you a perfect set up based on the conditions. I once took My Caponord (17" front wheel) over a gnarley rock garden and it was composed. Granted, it required positive throttle, shifting weight back and looking past the problems, but the suspension was great. Same with the GS. Even with the Telelever, the ESA makes adjustments on the fly that help make it more capable than it should be. Big bikes have all sorts of advantages.
Until you drop it
yes, until you rop it.@@ChopperChad