yeah he did, however with oculus getting a messy room with the cables just sucks. and Vive would be a better choice if we using steam. perhaps the reason dropped priced?
I like Left twix, but sometimes I feel like having a right twix, they are quite similar, and yet so different.. Right twix is a caramel covered cookie cloaked in chocolate, while the left twix is a cookie that's covered in caramel, and then dipped in chocolate, The right twix can taste like the left twix if you think hard enough about it, but the left twix only tastes like the right twix if you already know what the right twix tastes like in the first place, so for my conclusion, they are both pretty awesome.
It should have ended with 'both are pretty flawed in a technical sense' and we still need more 'VR defining (dare I say 'revolutionary') videogames' on either system for VR to really have a chance in mainstream gaming. So far PS VR actually has the least issues giving people nausea. And yes this tracking issue was solved by older VR systems from the 90s ages ago. It's why I'm not at all impressed with the current VR.
I have both, and I think the vive is more comfortable on the eyes to wear for a long time, every time I use the rift I have to take it off and on every minute or so. However, I believe the rift is still the better choice, the hand trackers are better, and you can have room scale on the rift if you get 3 stations. You can also play vive games on the rift. But you can't play rift games on the vive. Finally the last reason is that the absolute best vr game that I've played so far is wilson's heart and it's only on the rift
You can play rift games on the vive and also vive has room scale already on it without having to buy 3 more stations, how have you not known this if having both?! youve been missing out bro
This was a really well made video. Your voice is clear. There's not stutters. You represent both sides. And the editing was pleasing to the eyes. Good stuff!
very interesting looking back in time at this... i've just brought a rift s and so happy with it, so glad they went to more of a consumer friendly unit and price, great video BTW :D
Point of Correction: The Oculus tracking is 100% fine. They worked out that issue months ago. I haven't had to set it up again since then. Also, when I changed my setup recently, redoing the sensor positions has a stream-lined version so you don't have to go through the entire process again. It took me about 60 seconds.
@Steve Jenner: Uhm nope, the Oculus tracking is not 100% fine. It's actually the biggest flaw of Oculus, it's main cause for nausea and arguably the Vive kind of has the same problem anyway. edit: I mean head movement tracking, not controller tracking. Controller tracking is barely more accurate than what we saw with the Wii anyway.
PHeMoX what you said is just my true. 1.if you own one, fix your setup... Something is wrong or you have a broken sensor. 2. Your motion controller comment is also just factually incorrect.
I plan to eventually own both. But for affordability, the Rift will be my first PC VR headset (PSVR i have owned since release) with the Vive coming whenever HTC lowers the price... or more accurately cuts it in half.
mouseno4 Hey hey! Same, fam. I got the PSVR first 'cause it was cheaper (and RE7 in VR Kreygasm), but now I'm looking to expand - starting with the Rift. I'll probably just stick with it, though, until the next generation of VR stuff comes out.
MTLion3 Not sure if you got it, if you come from PS VR be prepared for a massive let down, don't belive all the fanboys. I was in the same boat as you and got the Oculus, the traking is a lot better and the touch controllers are magnificent, but the HMD... crap, the quality of Sony lenses with no distortion at all, the zero screen door effect and the full RGB screen make an extreme difference, and the Vive is worse in image quality... Be ware, try before buying, if I had know this before I would not buy one, don't be fooled by all the PC lovers, the best HMD out there is the PS VR.
Great video ! I’m new on VR world and still reading pros and cons between Oculus and HTC. Any suggestions what’s the best VR for X-Plane 11 flight simulator ?
Great video. I think you're pretty accurate about a lot of the topics. I am a Rift owner. If I were to buy again, I would go Vive. I think Valve and HTC's approach to tracking and more open nature in their platform will ensure a brighter future of them. Just my 2¢.
brilliant video, bud. you really surprised me with the candid ending about 'which one should you buy'. "they're both good. try them both. there may be something about one that you like more than the other. it's okay to pick because of that." excellent message.
Oculus has a permanent price cut (right now a sale, for 399$ with controllers), putting it at 499$ with Touch controllers and 2 sensors (making it 300$ cheaper than the Vive). Just a heads up to those that don't know, because that's a really solid deal.
Wrth noting the new price cut bundle doesn't include the controller or media remote. Some would call them pointless given the existence of Touch, but they did add a bit of value.
MakeUseOf It's funny. I got the $399 bundle for the summer sale. It comes with EVERYTHING. And once I set up the touch controllers it lead me to feel that if they just cut out the Xbox controller and media remote...and cut back on the packaging quality (it really is breathtaking!) they could perm reduce the cost of the system by a lot. And a couple days later they announced EXACTLY that!
A unbiased review is much appreciated..... i have held off getting EITHER of them as i knew it would take a year (possibly more) for the system to mature and work out the bugs that were going to crop up...... Thank you
No developers use grip button? Pavlov VR, Onward and umm... Ok. I do like that the action is actually gripping the controller though instead of pressing buttons.
Few developers use the grip buttons on Vive. I don't think I'm even in a minority when I say the grip buttons suck. Every person I've demoed the Vive too has had trouble finding them, or getting their hands in the right place to use them.
grip buttons hard to find ? dont know about anyone else but when i hold the wand i get two fingers automatically on the button and all have to do is to squeeze my hand to actuate it ... no "finding the button" just pick it up and squeeze, dont try to press the button itself ...
A very fair and balanced view. It is clear that you have spent time using both VR systems and I think your conclusions are very sound indeed. Nicely done!
A few months ago i was very upset with oculus tracking, after the new update everything is fixed and i added the 3rd sensor and everything works amazing now.
I have recently been looking at getting a VR system for the first time. That being said, I am very happy with this review as it has given me quite an understanding of all big and small details. As picky as I can be when making new purchases on new tech items, I value all information that can be overlooked from time to time. Awesome job :)
Great review, I have been gathering information on both the headsets since the Vives introduction and I have to agree with your findings. I could not decide wich headset to get, so I went with the Vive, because I thought that my girlfriend will enjoy the room scale more (even though I wanted to play simulators). Now after one year I am the only one playing VR :) and the best game I found to be is Onward, hands down. Also sims are not that cool as room scale since I am more prone to motion sickness with them. I made a good choice, I think.
honza hrabak Onward is amazing lmao. Animations may get sketchy got god damn if those controls aren't on point lol. Died too many times forgetting to chamber my round after a reload due to being supressed and panicking lmfao
I wear glasses with the rift and have had no problems as long as you take it off from the back first. Also all the messing about you mention for setting up the rift with room scale is not as problematic as you put across. so I don't think that represents all PC's.
Very to the point. Thanks! I regreat I didn't see this before buying Rift due to me wearing glasses and the whole USB bandwidth issues hassle - all that you pinpoint here and wrap up later on in a single sentence "I value my time more than $200"... I dont know how the Vive is yet but I 100% agree in everything that you've said about Rift - both pros and cons.
Jeroen vd Maarel I've actually moved my sensors quite a distance...while in a game. The view kinda snaps for a second and it works fine. I haven't owned it long enough to have experienced this problem...but it is def not a problem.
I recently purchased my Occulus Rift kit for $299.00 on the newegg Cyber Monday sale. VR wasn't something I was really looking to get into, until that sale caught my eye. It was worth the money. I've been enjoying it immensely so far.
As a teacher who uses VR day-to-day in the classroom, the VIVE is much more user-friendly. I have refined the breakdown and setup of the system to a fine art now, which is crucial when introducing VR to newbies.
I bought a Vive just recently after concluding that it is/has: More glasses friendly, better tracking, better software (update) support, more comfortable facial padding, less fogging up, will have more things coming out for it and thus more future proof... and when I pay almost 1000 euro's (and I will with that new deluxe audio strap) than for sure as hell I want it to be future proof for a while. Yes, I did try a Rift CV1 before making the decision without having tried a Vive. For me the Rift seemed as if it was a bit more blurry than the Vive in the end, but that might be because I couldn't fit into the Rift with my glasses even though I am near sighted. So these were the things for me that made me decide to fork out the extra money and get a Vive. I am not saying one is better than the other, but I personally ended up not completely satisfied with the Rift on initial impressions. Which were mostly negative due to fog and sweat building up under the facial interface, both of which started to irritate me for different reasons. So for me the Vive it has become and will be for quite a while. Now to save up some money for a better graphics card... >_
Those are meant for use in VR Arcade rooms if I read correctly and aren't for home use. So it's no wonder there is a lack in compatibility. I could be wrong though. On a side note: Fogging up is further reduced for me by buying the VR Cover for the Vive with 6mm thickness, and yes I use glasses with that. Fits perfectly and the distance to the lenses is no problem for me (got about half a centimeter left of wiggle room). I'll get a deluxe head strap a bit later when the issues are resolved and the product is a bit more mature. Being an early adopter doesn't have any advantages apart from saying "first!".
do not buy a fove, there main selling point the eyep trapcking is not present in all programs. also i got a shitty camera that doesent even thread into the tripod they gave me. all based on the steam system which is mostly populated by rift and oculus games. not a good purchase idea.
I bought an Oculus, get a Vive. The USB cameras to the systems is a pain in the arse. If you've got a mATX motherboard you'll probably need a USB3 expansion card, might have enough USB3 ports but they eat up so much bandwidth can only really have 1 per USB controller. Hint: There's usually multiple ports per controller.. oh but wait, you'll need to buy a specific USB PCI-E card as most that'll find in your local shops won't work. Then need to run USB around room, theres a limit on how long a USB cable can be and again only certain ones will work. All of this adds to the cost. Controllers are awesome, but once HTC release knuckles that'll be an irrelevant win. I like my rift, but it's just not worth the additional effort.
question: did you buy it at full price? if so, if it were discounted from $600 down to $400, would it be worth it? I'm thinking about getting a rift, purely for cost.
Thanks. I was really interested in the Oculus touch and the supposed superior image with less screen door effect. But given that my build uses an mATX, you really swayed my mind...
works great for 12x12ft rooms with 3 sensors(recommended) and is still $200 cheaper with the headset included I can't imagine you would need more room than that for 95% of games this guy is complaining about needing $20 worth of usb extension cords for the sensors
That was a gr8 video. I have a psvr and although its probably not the best for tracking, image, etc. The one thing it is, is simple pick up and play. I have a gaming pc and was considering a vive or rift......BUT......i just keep debating things too much. Like oh, the oculus has the touch controllers. Then, but the vive has better tracking. Then, but oculus has a cheaper price. Then, etc, etc. Tbh, i dont really have to worry about the room size with my psvr and i only need 1 camera, so its less fiddly. I dont really have issues with tracking as most my games dont need too much room. It just works and the image is gr8 in my opinion as im too lost in a game and enjoying the feeling, i dont notice bad things. The only reason ive liked gaming on consoles is because of simple pick up and play. I dont have all the time in the world and so just like to pick up and play for half hour and go. I think i might just wait a little longer and stop debating which, 🤣🤣. Thanks again. 😉👍
Well done review. Thanks! I've owned the Vive for about a year and I have always been wondering in the back of my mind if I couldve made a better decision with the Rift. I'm interested in the 3d Printed rifle and pistol. Any info on that?!
Links in this article (sorry, too lazy this morning to go and extract the exact links!) - www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-virtual-reality-accessories-3d-print/
Excellent video... Sadly, I already bought the Oculus 2 days ago for the Amazon Prime-day, and my play-space is very tiny; hopeful the Oculus is fine for me. More importantly, your review of both products and unbiased opinion is truly refreshing and warrants a subscription. Thanks for the information on both products!
Nuruddin Peters Why sadly? It was an amazing deal!!! I got it too! And it's not the new cheap bundle box...it's a legit Oculus set...with carrying case and XBox One controller and the second box with touch controllers and sensor bar. I've been playing quite a bit since getting it!
I loooooooove Robo-Recall! 1. I'm in the works of mounting these sensors on the wall... Thus far they are in a decent spot, but I can do better. 2. Any advice on detangling the Headset cable, btw?
Lol... I haven't played my Nintendo Switch since =( I love it... The Carrying case/ wireless controller. It's a sleek piece of tech! I wish it came wall/ceiling mounts by default... but, that's OK. [Bought some durable stuff from MicroCenter in NYC.]
a good tip: You can do 360 on the oculus just fine with only 2 sensors. Put both camera's in a top corners of the room(just like the vive) The calibration tool will say the sensors are to far apart,but ignore that an you're good to go !
Useful video, I'm still hammering my Oculus DK2 with it's single pick-up at present which I bought nearly 3 three ago so I've got my usage out of it. I know there's far more technology to come to VR, 4K 90mhz imagery with no wires so I'm going to just keep on using my DK2 until either the technology prevents me from using it or the next big tech increase makes it worth it. But from your video I think I need to seriously look at the Vive.
Thanks so much for this! Been wanting to get a Vive since I tried it for the first and only time with Space Pirate Trainer about 8 months ago! Think I'll be getting a Vive today!
Great video. I chose the Vive over the Rift after extensively demoing both for 3 reasons. 1) Rift induced Nausea within minutes (for me). Never had any at all with the Vive. 2) Rift lenses fogged quickly, never had any fog with the Vive 3) Rift is owned by Fakebook, didn't want to give them my $.
I went with the vive over one year ago and im very happy I did. I have never had a problem and it just works. No usb cables needed and the lighthouses can be placed pretty much anywhere and they will track u perfectly. With revive U can play 95% of all oculus rift games with the vive. The only game I ever tried that doesnt work great is the climb. If u buy the delux audiostrap u will also outmatch the rift in comfort IMO and also u get built in audio as a bonus. Soon the new knuckles kontroller will come out also and so far every dev that has tried them say they are better than the touch controllers. Only downside is that the vive is more expensive than rift but in my opinion it is worth the higher price.
Dude! You said it yourself which is the best. HTC VIVE has longer cables, plug and play ready, fits better in your face even thought you're wearing glasses, has a wider field of view, is ready for new acessories and it has a partnership with Steam. So, yeah, it's better in everyway possible. And that's why Oculus Rift is way cheaper. I don't own a VR set, but I know now which to buy.
My vote is for Oculus Rift & Touch. So many people fall for the supersized roomscale debate but in truth that feature was way to early when it debuted with the Vive. We can barely get a full length game for either system much less ones that take advantage of a element not easy to implement (in regards to room size and available space). The Vive is trying to catch up with the comfort of the Oculus Rift and the usability of the Touch Controls. While the Oculus closed system feels limited what they give you works well whether its for a standard xbox controller, 180, or 360 experience. When you get some many options with the Vive, it actually makes it harder to adopt the technology. For instance... all those accessories and add-ons. If they are optional items, or over priced. You can never really guarantee the games will adopt them. For that I have to give Kudus to Oculus for giving solid support to the hardware they make.
to early? I will never subscribe to vr till I can take it outdoors or to a large venue to track epic environment exploration... Otherwise VR is a compromise when I can simply do satisfying open worlds on the desktop? More sad that 3d Vision is such a chore nowadays.
Oooh, if you buy one of those fancy shmancy 20 billion dollar laptops, and always carry around your lighthouses and a 5x5 tent, you can bring the vive anywhere* *that you can set up a 5x5 tent...
weirdly with "Solus Project", one full length real game with complete VR and touch support is almost never mentioned in any VR games list. It is not the most groundbreaking game ever, but it's also really not bad. It's not as if there are many of them. Most converted real games have just classical controls like Elite and Subnautica. While all the 30mins VR experiences" for 30$ are in every list.
AnDay5zlebt I bought the Oculus some weeks ago and the most enjoyable game right now for me has been the Solus Project, it's an amazing survival game, the touch controlers work extremely well to use all the objects, I love to use the torch, it gives a sensation of realism I haven't found in other games, the history is good, nice graphics (not the best, but nice) and so on. Solus Project is a must play for anyone with a VR headset.
Huh? What are you talking about at the end? I set up three sensors on the ceiling with a Rift, two years ago. I've never once had to reconfigure anything. It still works as perfectly as it did to begin with in a 10x12 foot play space. The tracking is phenomal, smooth and accurate everywhere.
Which just goes to show how variable the experience was. Some people had the exact right hardware combo to never have issues; some had them with every windows update or Oculus update. You've been lucky, but that doesn't discount the experience of (many) others. Anyway, this videos is years old, the Rift is even available to buy anymore!
Am i the only woh never have problems with oculus and 360 traking in my room?... With 2 cameras... Every one have problems. I had 0 problems with oculus not at my jobe not at home.. dafq?
Oh nice. I'm thinking to buy a VR-Headset by myself. I'm just not sure wich of them. I have not that much space in my room. I could build a 2.5x2.5 meteres play area, but for that i have to throw my bed and a closet out of my room :D I have another option too, wich provides a small play area of around 1x2 meteres in front of my table. So im wondering, wich is better. I prefere the feel of the oculus more. Crontrolers and the rift itself are more confortable for me. But the Vive seems to be more future proof. What do you think?
Well im kinda oculus fanboy XD But i can make u a video with my setup and ull see. (+ i work with VR and every day i works with all 3 platforms (oculus/vive/psvr), they all good, but i rly love oculus. Its good looking, its good fit on a head + i still think that touch controllers are much better then any others)
That is the interesting point. People talk about these "game-areas" but it doesn't really matter as most people don't have so much space even in their living rooms. The rooms are filled with furnitures and other obstacles even when a room is a 5x7m size (35 square meters... BIG). I just renovated one of my 25th rooms just for a VR, it ain't a big room, only a 2.7x4.4m that was third office previously but enough for VR now. And I don't have any reason to go from one end to another end in VR! I noticed that I actually need only about 1.5x1.5m area in most cases when in "Room VR". But in most cases it is sitting in a chair, and this allows to put a 4 player couch on other end of the room with a larger TV for them to see what VR player sees. The distance is really important for the tracking quality and accuracy. That is the point with the sensors distance. Like we should know what is the resolution of the sensor, like is it around 64x64 pixels or like 256x256 pixels and so on. That is what allows us to draw the distance measurement that how accurately can a sensor separate the individual IR lend (or laser one) as further it is, more they get cramped together by sensor point of view. The second is then a power/emission power, further the IR moves from sensor, weaker signal it sends to the sensor and smaller one, so sensor resolution and sensitivity becomes a problem. And thirdly it is then the IR leak and filtering algorithms, does your space get lots of sunlight? As sunlight is IR source. Every area that gets lit by sun will be a IR source. So the algorithms need to filter the "IR blob" from "IR pattern" and so on. This is very common problem with TrackIR system as even a ceiling light can emit IR strong enough to cause problems. A shiny metal somewhere that can reflect a window where is sunlight can be too strong IR source for sensors etc. Too many variables for people to test the VR performance in tracking etc. Like my VR room is now based on room that gets direct sunlight between 14-22 at summer time, that requires blinds and even that causes problem with IR tracking. So light curtain was required to be installed to lower the illumination of direct sunlight. And it became nice addition projector canvas anyways so win-win. And now there is no tracking problems from 4.2m distance while room ain't dark nor dim even, just no direct sunlight. So this is something Vive has better with its laser system as its signal-noise-ratio (SNR) is far better in the IR-emission environment. The one problem that many forgets is that players are lazy people.... How long periods etc people think that most players are willing to move? Finally the movement areas gets smaller and smaller as players wants comfort and finally they end up to some sitting positions. Some will take VR as exercise but I will more gladly go running outdoors my track in the woods than do some gaming in VR. Then I can rest and enjoy from VR in a chair or do some smaller movement things. And Oculus can very well release a upgraded receivers (as transmitter is the goggles) that are more sensitive, higher resolution and improve algorithms to filter IR so SNR becomes better. Vive is great by amount of hype it gets. But at 450€ price for Rift + 2 sensors + Touch Controllers it is difficult/hard to beat, when the Vive is by its starting kit about 970€. Add a third sensor for Rift (about 70€ now) and there is "no room" that is having too much empty space where to use Rift. The Rift and Vive are the fifth generation VR goggles now. The 5.5th generation has already appeared, it is the 4K version with far better optics than what Rift or Vive has, but no space tracking (only direction). But that means either Oculus or Valve needs to quickly upgrade their goggles so resolution goes up and this way many clarity problems are fixed. Still the comfort zone of people is huge, what leaves people wanting to sit down instead stand and roll etc. Not many want to go out jogging if their alternative is to sit on couch watching a movie. Same thing is with VR, why to stand and move if you can sit? Which one even a healthy kid age 15-20 is prepared to do for 2-3 hours per session? Sitting....
I plugged in the Oculus and have had 0 issues. Works everytime I put it on. I was actually very impressed with how easy it was and how quickly I got into it.
Then you've been very lucky. You only need to browse the Oculus subreddit to find users having issues with USB controllers. I moved mine last week to try out in the larger space in my garage. Everything went from working perfectly to completely broken: same machine, same cables, same ports. 2 hours of messing around swapping ports just to get it functional again. Not fun.
Well, I started with the Oculus DK2 when it came out, I loved that thing. then when I had to choose from the Vive or Rift CV1. it was a no brainer after my experiance with the DK2 so I got the Rift !!.... and honestly? it was a huge dissapointment. stuck with it for a good few months. it was just awfull. narrow field of view. bad bad lend flares. Oculus home is a joke. always reverting back to limited black levels. I'd fix it and get inkly blacks again then it would come back a few days later, god awefull tracking. so I sold it and felt really happy gettign a good price for it. its been over a year now and I took advantage of the sales and got the HTC Vive. bundled with Doom/fallout 4 /tilt brush /Deluxue Audio strap. and quite frankly I'm blown away. such a better experiance all round. better display. not quite as sharp as the rift in centre of view but its like 5% difference. very little flare. nice field of view. actually comfier for me anyhow. wayyy better tracking. room scale is fantastic and adds a lot! controllers I LOVE. Steam VR is amazing intuative/ FUN! £595 for the bundle. there seems to be more things happening, support, products and intertest from other companies for HTC. Cable is neat with just ONE wire (they must have changed the wide 3 cable thing they had, now its just one nice neat wire. Vive all the way for me. the cheaper price of the Oculus is a mute point if its a bad experiance and it was! I'd much rather pay extra for the best headset and it is !!!! ;)
I am also lucky enough to have purchased both Rift & Vive (& PSVR) I agree there is no clear winner. I find myself using the Rift for cockpit style games like Elite (which I can no longer play without VR!) as well as project cars and then use the Vive for anything room scale. I love them both. The PSVR is also surprisingly good for cost of entry (I just wish tracking was better) Great video!
Do you own all of them? If yes, don't you belive PS VR has extremely better quality of image? I bought the Oculus on the sale as they were a lot cheaper and I love VR so I wanted to get a PC headset, I prepared my PC even before getting a headset with a 1070 Xtreme. Reading all the comments out there I expected a better quality of image... and found an extremely worse one. Yes, the PC can get better graphics, but the glares and the screen door effect kill any won on image quality, for me the best one is the PS VR for now (I'm not talking about traking, that's out of discussion, Oculus and Vive are better in that field, a lot),
i think you dont realize that its easy to make hack for Vive as it is open system, kinda difficult other way around because Oculus is a closed system ...
Other devs are locking out Oculus via software, possible Bethesda goes that route due to the lawsuit. Also Revive knocks down the closed system already for Vive users, not difficult at all!
As a oculus owner I can say this: if you're a person who likes to play racing simulators, oculus is the best choice. I like the HTC Vive but I hate the horrible screen door effect (Yes it's a huge difference). With oculus I can at least see the corners I have to take haha.
wow what? I have tried both just after each other and i haven't even realised that the vive had a bigger fov. Everyone can say what he wants about why the technoligy is better on this and that... But in the end I am way more emersed with the oculus than with the vive. Especially racing sims, NEVER buy a vive for racing sims it ruins everything
Same number of pixels, over a perceivably larger area (though, that's debatable), therefore slightly blurrier. But yeh, I play all my racing and space sims on Oculus because distant objects are clearer.
It does work but is very much a dev thing right now. Also I think that update came out after this video. How could the uploader of known. Oculus is not talking about it eather.
So I am in the middle of setting up a VR system I am building an absolute beast of a computer and the next step is my Headset and controllers. My VR room is 17 feet X 14 feet. What way would you say to go? Im guessing Vive so i don't have to fool around with USB extensions. My main game of interest at the moment is Arizona Sunshine. I have played it with my buddies Rift and it is great. I would love a bigger field of view though but I don't want to loose too much quality. Im really on the fence here. The extra money doesn't bother me if it pays off with better performance.
That's ludicrously large - nice! For that area, you will absolutely need to go with a Vive. The cost is about the same now anyway since the Vive also got a recent price cut.
Having both systems I have to say this is a pretty bad review. A lot of things about Oculus aren't accurate or simply missing: 1. Oculus exclusives - There are much more great Oculus exclusives. Which are the best games you have around in VR: Robo Recall (yes), The Climb, Chronos, Wilson's Heart, Landfall. On the other side as Oculus owner I probably can play pretty easy all big titles on Steam. 2. That HTC Vive controllers are better for shooters is a very subjective perspective. In my opinion, Oculus touch controllers are in every aspect the best controllers around. The tracking is much more accurate, which is better for aiming in Onward etc ;) p.s. There are build by the same design studio which made the Xbox controllers. 3. Oculus tracking system is bug fixed and pretty fine in bigger spaces when you use 3 sensors. And again is much more accurate. 4. The Oculus headset has a better wearing comfort and better field of view. 5. The Oculus headset comes with 3d stereo ear buds. Which is just great and creates a much better experience. Stuff you have to buy extras with HTC Vive. 6. Compare Steam VR to Oculus home. Steam VR is a buggy and badly designed crap. Which makes the whole Vive experience much more crap. 7. Resetting your Oculus sensors is never occurring with me and my sensor even not fix mounted. Maybe you should update your PC. The only thing in my opinion where Vive / Valve beats Oculus pretty hard is the 3rd party accessories. p.s. Let me just remind you that I have both systems. If I have to choose I would go with Oculus.
I owned a vive (sold it about a year ago due to lack of content and got a good offer from a friend) At the time I bought the vive (799$) it was the only option for room scale vr at the time, and even after oculus released touch controllers, you get more out of your money if you go with the VIVE. Now after two price drops you can't go wrong with the Oculus rift, I wasn't planning on buying a first gen HMD again, but I changed my mind xD Oculus Rift + Touch controllers + Extra 2 sensors (4 TOTAL) , Add a compatible USB 3.0 PCIE controller and 15ft HDMI extension cable, HDMI repeater, 3x 15 USB 3.0 extension cable + cable sleeve and zipties to make everything tidy ALL for 595$ that's a complete package for less than the launch price of the HMD alone. at the current price I highly recommend the rift. If they were at the same price I would probably go with the vive (easier setup no usb for sensors and the Holographic front facing camera + larger play space)
I am a consumer determining which system to Purchase This video was very helpful in making my decision much easier, especially with the non-biased opinions and biased opinions. Thank you and well done sir
dude, you seriously have to pay around 200$ more for room scale in Oculus. I'd rather have the simpler setup and better tracking from the vive any day.
In which world? I got full roomscale with the two receivers in 10 minutes, also I got this with the touch for 450€ while Vive cost 700€ plus the deluxe strap to get the headphones, that's 350€ more than the Oculus for room scale. Unless you have a large room there's no need to get a third receiver and even then it's 290€ less.
Objectively Rift has a slight advantage overall. Price (including a 3rd camera if needed), Performance (higher framerate), Graphics (performance transfers into enabling higher graphics settings), faster to setup according to most reviews. Although differences between the headsets are minimal, having that little bit of extra room to tweak graphics and performance is a real advantage for min-maxers.
Can you clarify what you mean by Rift having a higher frame rate? Are you possibly misinterpreting Asynchronous Timewarp etc? As far as I know, these help to fill in missing frames on lower end machines. It's not really a frame rate boost or advantage, just a way to deal with bad performance.
Asynchronous Timewarp (ATW) is excellent at filling in frames giving a higher perceived framerate. Asynchronous Spacewarp does something similar, reducing judder when the user moves the head forward and backward, side to side, up and down. They're useful on all PCs, from low end to high end. Any app that can stress the graphics card benefits from ATW and ASW. Turning up the graphics can easily stress the graphics card: anti aliasing, super sampling, ambient occlusion, bloom, other post-processing. We know VR users like to increase the super sampling or render scale because it makes things look crisper and more realistic. ATW and ASW give you more room to increase these settings. The Oculus Rift's ATW performs noticeably better than other headsets. And full ASW isn't even implemented yet on other headsets. On the PC we love graphics, and so many VR users actually depend ATW and ASW to boost the graphics settings in apps, I'm surprised that people don't talk about it more.
Fair enough. I can't say I've noticed a particular benefit of it, but then I haven't enabled supersampling on Oculus, so it may have never kicked in for me (or my GFX doesn't support it, or the games I play go through Steam VR).
"Performance (higher framerate), Graphics (performance transfers into enabling higher graphics settings), faster to setup according to most reviews." False, false, and false. The real difference is that rift has a tiny bit better pixel density (from the different lenses). Graphically identical (since both headsets run the same EXACT screen). Rift is more comfortable but worse for those with glasses. Rift has worse FOV, and worse tracking accuracy/performance. Vive uses Asynchronous re-projection, same exact thing as asynchronous timewarp....... Before you go around and spread false information, do know that this is the internet and it's not easy to figure out that you are just a dumb fanboi looking to justify the lacking qualities compared to a superior product.
This could be pointed out as a downside of the Oculus Home, right now. The debugging tool (seperate download) can be used to force supersampling in the many VR games that don't natively support it, while SteamVR has this tweak inside its standard settings. Then again, Oculus likes to standardize since their target is average person, not techy, so it also makes sense so someone doesn't mess up their settings.
How much space you have and whether you would rather sit and play games or move all around is something that should be a big consideration. I have a vive and my biggest issue so far with it is that quite a few games require a pretty good size play area to even work. If you fake it and designate space over a couch or chair as free space then you can't reach items in the game you may need to reach down low for. There is a very neat option for "standing room" for vive that I strongly prefer and have made good use of, but frequently games for Vive are not compatible with that mode and require room scale larger than my space allows. Required room scale varies per game and unfortunately there is no way to easily go back and forth between selecting room scale mode (sometimes required) verses standing room mode (preferred in my case). It makes you go all the way through setup again each time you switch. My max room space happens to be about 5.5 feet by 9 feet of free space btw which is still often too small for some room scale games. Even if I expend out to about 13'x9' by including space with furniture in it, it feels like I can rarely go far in any direction before the entire experience is ruined by the grid lines. Another reason I strongly prefer the standing room option is that it does away with the warning grid lines and gives you a center circle on the floor to help keep you reasonably centered. Far less intrusive. I recently installed revive so I could play some Oculus games not available for Vive and I'm having a lot of fun with that. Ironic that so far I feel like I'm having more luck playing Oculus games on vive than Vive games on Vive. One last thing. Take care of those lenses!! They are extremely delicate plastic and no replacements are available that I've found! Wiping with a dusty cloth, or using the wrong cleaner can make them horrible to look through in no time at all. This is a horrible issue when you have someone who plays that tends to fog up the lenses a lot. Really disappointed neither system seems to have a reasonable solution for this.
Yeah. That's the part where he tells you that you're one hell of an idiot if you think there is a definite answer to which of the two is the best, either way its just a controversial opinion if he responded any other way than he did. The title is not clickbait in the sense that anyone with half a brain-cell will realize before watching the video that he'll only give his own opinion.
I setup my oculus with three sensors.... and I never have to replug anything in, nor do i have to do any setups after the initial. Maybe you have USB issues? I did plug all items into 3.0 USB and used powered USB extension cables.
I have the updated Vive that was released in March. It's 15% lighter than the original. Most say it is on par or very close to rift. Less cords? The Vive comes with the 3-in-1 cable. It's just one cord now. It's likely with the new audio strap, the Vive will be more comfortable than the Rift for most users. For roomscale tracking, the Rift is at a major disadvantage due to needing USB cords and extensions for each sensor.
15% lighter... WITHOUT THE HEADSTRAP plus the vives weight is entirely in the front box unlike the rifts, which the new strap doesnt fix according to all the reviews so far
I haven't seen those reviews. While it is still front-heavy the strap does DRAMATICALLY reduce the front load if you adjust it accordingly. I can wear the Vive for as long as I desire now. Used it for 6.5 hours straight yesterday. Rift makes me nauseous and hurts my eyes within 10 minutes. I tried CV1 multiple times. No amount of motion on the Vive has made me the least bit queasy. If not for the Vive I wouldn't be able to enjoy VR now. It's great to have options! To each his own. You love your Rift and I love my Vive. We're so darn lucky! =D
Rift is cheaper and the controllers are way better. I don't like moving around anyway and my fat ass will probably spend most of its time planted in a chair while playing. Probably gonna buy one this month, but I'm slightly worried Oculus is going to die off with ZeniMax breathing down their neck.
I like to think of it like Apple iPhone vs Google Android. Android provided a platform for manufacturers. Anybody could use their OS. They have achieved world domination. SteamVR is a platform. Any manufacturer (to my knowledge) can license the platform and make an HMD. HTC was the first to step up with the Vive. But they are far from the last. LG is the next up to bat. Who knows after that. Chances are this platform will make SteamVR the true winner of the long game. Market saturation will drown out any other platform.
lol lol, Yeah, the standard package apparently does contain 2 sensors. Also there's an experimental "feature" where you can use 2 sensors for room scale (10 feet squared though; pretty tiny compared to Vive). You could google it yourself. It's easy lol lol.
Í like your review .. thank you very much. I would like to see a review based on sit down VR games, like Elite Dangerous, project cars, etc. And, if you may I ask you, did you tested the Pimax 4k for this kind of purpose? I really would enjoy to watch a review from you including this one. Cheerios and thanks again!
Oculus tracking is acceptable, much better than Sony's PSVR. But Vive's setup is the best currently going. Even when you do get Oculus' constellation perfectly set up and bug free, the cameras don't have the range and field of view to compare to the Vive's laser lighthouse. But, Oculus takes the edge in other areas, particularly value.
When you say "perfect", have you used a Vive? Most Oculus owners think their tracking is perfect until asked to upload a video of it, and suddenly many flaws are found.
you are going on very old information, tracking bugs have been solved for months, yes when a rift user says their tracking is perfect it actually is in comparison to a vive smh what a biased opinion from a reviewer
I know it's been a bit, but the Vive is actually $600 now, with the Rift + touch controllers now being $400. Just an updated price for everyone. Also, when I demoed the Vive, the particular model had the deluxe audio strap. I'm not much of a fan. The earpieces sit really loosely on your ears and you can hear everything around you quite easily. I'm already leaning towards the Vive and I feel as if it'd be better accompanied by a good wireless headset.
Thanks this was a great review, I like how you presented it and will subscribe and like! I'm still deciding myself on which to go with, though from everything I've heard the Vive is the way to go for what I want. I want to be able to have a decent amount of play area, the room I'm going to be using is 11x10 foot play space, which sounds to be perfect with the Vive, as well as having better tracking, as I think PvP and action type games will be coming out very soon. The down side honestly, is by the look of things I would much rather the Rifts controller, having the ability to use my fingers would be incredible and just fun all around. The other up-side of the Rift, from what I've seen is their non gaming features, which are geared towards and may eventually be the future of game development (in my opinion). Honestly, I'm just going to see how far away the Vive is from releasing their prototype controller, because so far, that is what I'll go with.
Just discovered your vid. True craftsmanship ! Clear and unbiased straightforward comparison. 5 stars ! By any chance, have you already been able to experience DCS world (flight combat sim ) with OculusR or Vive ?
Old video but great point of view ( I'm just late in finding it ) Thanks for taking the time. Probably end up with one of each eventually as hardware improves over time. PSVR has been a great start but the recent price drop means the Vive is next, used both the Rift and Vive and its hard to go wrong on either of them.
I recently bought the HTC Vive, but I bought it on sale from Vive which it comes with the Vive + GTX 1070 + Fallout 4 VR for $799. I believe it was a solid deal.
Should be noted that the Rift and Vive has opposite sensors (Vive has tracker in headset while rift has the camera as the tracker). And it kinda seems like rifts "space movement" was an afterthought and Vive had it as a selling point from day one (whether you need/want it or not) at least you get the option from Oculus.
I bought both with my own money plus PS VR plus this year the Samsung version Mixed Reality ( forget this as it just VR). I give the Vive an edge up since as you pointed out the sensors just need power. as for controllers I find the Vive grip in Overkill VR are too sensitive I keep unloading my guns. PS VR has the best game in Resident Evil Bio shock maybe it is just me but the chainsaw spilling my guts was the most intense emotion I have had from any VR game on any system.
Fantastic comparison. It seems like the Vive is the way to go if you have the money and space. I personally went with the Rift because of that current sale, and I have a tiny room. I have used both and much prefer the Touch controllers for gun-based games (Robo Recall, Super Hot, etc), but that room scale in the Vive is awesome. I have also had some technical hiccups with the Rift (mostly consisting of me having to re-seat the connector running into the headset) and it would be nicer with the Vive and not really ever having to do that.
I don't usually watch full videos of reviews but I listened to you. You have explained many useful points very clearly. Good job!
Same here. He has something!
Yea I actually almost didn't bother clicking since it was almost 20 mins. Afterwards I feel fully informed about the pros and cons of both systems.
yeah he did, however with oculus getting a messy room with the cables just sucks. and Vive would be a better choice if we using steam. perhaps the reason dropped priced?
I like Left twix, but sometimes I feel like having a right twix, they are quite similar, and yet so different.. Right twix is a caramel covered cookie cloaked in chocolate, while the left twix is a cookie that's covered in caramel, and then dipped in chocolate,
The right twix can taste like the left twix if you think hard enough about it, but the left twix only tastes like the right twix if you already know what the right twix tastes like in the first place, so for my conclusion, they are both pretty awesome.
It should have ended with 'both are pretty flawed in a technical sense' and we still need more 'VR defining (dare I say 'revolutionary') videogames' on either system for VR to really have a chance in mainstream gaming. So far PS VR actually has the least issues giving people nausea. And yes this tracking issue was solved by older VR systems from the 90s ages ago. It's why I'm not at all impressed with the current VR.
I stopped eating both because they cost more than a half a grand each. Just to expensive fer nougats.
@@PHeMoX HL Alyx came out so there you go
Estupid
I have both, and I think the vive is more comfortable on the eyes to wear for a long time, every time I use the rift I have to take it off and on every minute or so. However, I believe the rift is still the better choice, the hand trackers are better, and you can have room scale on the rift if you get 3 stations. You can also play vive games on the rift. But you can't play rift games on the vive.
Finally the last reason is that the absolute best vr game that I've played so far is wilson's heart and it's only on the rift
Fallout 4 VR controls are terrible on Touch though...
Gumbino Can you really play vive games on oculus?!
u can play oculus games on the vive... REVIVE?
You can play rift games on the vive and also vive has room scale already on it without having to buy 3 more stations, how have you not known this if having both?! youve been missing out bro
If I'm correct, there's a program that's called Revive. I haven't tried it, but it should make it possible for Vive users to play Rift only games.
Lovely video my man! Wonderfully put together and very informative.
This was a really well made video. Your voice is clear. There's not stutters. You represent both sides. And the editing was pleasing to the eyes. Good stuff!
very interesting looking back in time at this... i've just brought a rift s and so happy with it, so glad they went to more of a consumer friendly unit and price, great video BTW :D
Point of Correction: The Oculus tracking is 100% fine. They worked out that issue months ago. I haven't had to set it up again since then.
Also, when I changed my setup recently, redoing the sensor positions has a stream-lined version so you don't have to go through the entire process again. It took me about 60 seconds.
Yes, as long as you don't have to move your setup, you should be fine. I mounted my sensors and haven't had to do setup again for months.
He did say "was" i think and that it is now settled down.
Steven Jenner dude the oculus literally has to pay people to make oculus exclusive games so that people will buy it
@Steve Jenner: Uhm nope, the Oculus tracking is not 100% fine. It's actually the biggest flaw of Oculus, it's main cause for nausea and arguably the Vive kind of has the same problem anyway. edit: I mean head movement tracking, not controller tracking. Controller tracking is barely more accurate than what we saw with the Wii anyway.
PHeMoX what you said is just my true. 1.if you own one, fix your setup... Something is wrong or you have a broken sensor. 2. Your motion controller comment is also just factually incorrect.
Great job on disclosing the details on how you acquired them. Don't see enough of this on other videos. Appreciate the context!
I plan to eventually own both. But for affordability, the Rift will be my first PC VR headset (PSVR i have owned since release) with the Vive coming whenever HTC lowers the price... or more accurately cuts it in half.
mouseno4 Hey hey! Same, fam. I got the PSVR first 'cause it was cheaper (and RE7 in VR Kreygasm), but now I'm looking to expand - starting with the Rift. I'll probably just stick with it, though, until the next generation of VR stuff comes out.
MTLion3 Not sure if you got it, if you come from PS VR be prepared for a massive let down, don't belive all the fanboys. I was in the same boat as you and got the Oculus, the traking is a lot better and the touch controllers are magnificent, but the HMD... crap, the quality of Sony lenses with no distortion at all, the zero screen door effect and the full RGB screen make an extreme difference, and the Vive is worse in image quality... Be ware, try before buying, if I had know this before I would not buy one, don't be fooled by all the PC lovers, the best HMD out there is the PS VR.
I mean, I got the Oculus and I love the shit out of it. So no disappointment here lol
Great video ! I’m new on VR world and still reading pros and cons between Oculus and HTC. Any suggestions what’s the best VR for X-Plane 11 flight simulator ?
Great video. I think you're pretty accurate about a lot of the topics. I am a Rift owner. If I were to buy again, I would go Vive. I think Valve and HTC's approach to tracking and more open nature in their platform will ensure a brighter future of them. Just my 2¢.
brilliant video, bud. you really surprised me with the candid ending about 'which one should you buy'. "they're both good. try them both. there may be something about one that you like more than the other. it's okay to pick because of that." excellent message.
Oculus has a permanent price cut (right now a sale, for 399$ with controllers), putting it at 499$ with Touch controllers and 2 sensors (making it 300$ cheaper than the Vive). Just a heads up to those that don't know, because that's a really solid deal.
Wrth noting the new price cut bundle doesn't include the controller or media remote. Some would call them pointless given the existence of Touch, but they did add a bit of value.
I literally never used mine :S (contoller thingiemajig)
MakeUseOf It's funny. I got the $399 bundle for the summer sale. It comes with EVERYTHING. And once I set up the touch controllers it lead me to feel that if they just cut out the Xbox controller and media remote...and cut back on the packaging quality (it really is breathtaking!) they could perm reduce the cost of the system by a lot. And a couple days later they announced EXACTLY that!
@Richard Servello Almost everything. Had to buy 3rd sensor separate but they're pretty cheap at the moment too.
Philip Zeplin didn’t the vive drop to $600
A unbiased review is much appreciated..... i have held off getting EITHER of them as i knew it would take a year (possibly more) for the system to mature and work out the bugs that were going to crop up......
Thank you
No developers use grip button? Pavlov VR, Onward and umm... Ok. I do like that the action is actually gripping the controller though instead of pressing buttons.
Few developers use the grip buttons on Vive. I don't think I'm even in a minority when I say the grip buttons suck. Every person I've demoed the Vive too has had trouble finding them, or getting their hands in the right place to use them.
That's interesting. Maybe me and my associates have big hands since all we've had to do is squeeze the controller :)
MakeUseOf I agree 100%. I've demoed the vive for hundreds of people and finding the grip button is always a struggle for every new player.
anyone I demoed it to had trouble at first finding the grip but once they knew they were there they had no problems using them.
grip buttons hard to find ? dont know about anyone else but when i hold the wand i get two fingers automatically on the button and all have to do is to squeeze my hand to actuate it ... no "finding the button" just pick it up and squeeze, dont try to press the button itself ...
A very fair and balanced view. It is clear that you have spent time using both VR systems and I think your conclusions are very sound indeed. Nicely done!
A few months ago i was very upset with oculus tracking, after the new update everything is fixed and i added the 3rd sensor and everything works amazing now.
I have recently been looking at getting a VR system for the first time. That being said, I am very happy with this review as it has given me quite an understanding of all big and small details. As picky as I can be when making new purchases on new tech items, I value all information that can be overlooked from time to time. Awesome job :)
Jason Payette ... You could of atleast put the initials the one your gonna get! 🙄😂 I just read a book with NO ending!!! 😂😂😂
14:40 Man, thats a pretty interesting light switch
Really good video! Thanks for taking the time to produce it!
Great review, I have been gathering information on both the headsets since the Vives introduction and I have to agree with your findings. I could not decide wich headset to get, so I went with the Vive, because I thought that my girlfriend will enjoy the room scale more (even though I wanted to play simulators). Now after one year I am the only one playing VR :) and the best game I found to be is Onward, hands down. Also sims are not that cool as room scale since I am more prone to motion sickness with them. I made a good choice, I think.
honza hrabak
Onward is amazing lmao. Animations may get sketchy got god damn if those controls aren't on point lol. Died too many times forgetting to chamber my round after a reload due to being supressed and panicking lmfao
I have been looking for a video like this!! This video answers ALL the questions I had been looking to solve!! TY
I wear glasses with the rift and have had no problems as long as you take it off from the back first. Also all the messing about you mention for setting up the rift with room scale is not as problematic as you put across. so I don't think that represents all PC's.
You're right, it's like a lottery. About a 50% win rate, by my estimation. ;)
Very to the point. Thanks! I regreat I didn't see this before buying Rift due to me wearing glasses and the whole USB bandwidth issues hassle - all that you pinpoint here and wrap up later on in a single sentence "I value my time more than $200"... I dont know how the Vive is yet but I 100% agree in everything that you've said about Rift - both pros and cons.
only time I've had to reset up my oculus sensors is when I bought my third.... had the oculus for a couple months now
I even slightly moved/rotated my Oculus sensors a couple times and I didn't have to set it up again.
Jeroen vd Maarel I've actually moved my sensors quite a distance...while in a game. The view kinda snaps for a second and it works fine. I haven't owned it long enough to have experienced this problem...but it is def not a problem.
I recently purchased my Occulus Rift kit for $299.00 on the newegg Cyber Monday sale. VR wasn't something I was really looking to get into, until that sale caught my eye. It was worth the money. I've been enjoying it immensely so far.
As a teacher who uses VR day-to-day in the classroom, the VIVE is much more user-friendly. I have refined the breakdown and setup of the system to a fine art now, which is crucial when introducing VR to newbies.
Best VR review I've seen to date, Thank you.
I bought a Vive just recently after concluding that it is/has: More glasses friendly, better tracking, better software (update) support, more comfortable facial padding, less fogging up, will have more things coming out for it and thus more future proof... and when I pay almost 1000 euro's (and I will with that new deluxe audio strap) than for sure as hell I want it to be future proof for a while.
Yes, I did try a Rift CV1 before making the decision without having tried a Vive. For me the Rift seemed as if it was a bit more blurry than the Vive in the end, but that might be because I couldn't fit into the Rift with my glasses even though I am near sighted.
So these were the things for me that made me decide to fork out the extra money and get a Vive. I am not saying one is better than the other, but I personally ended up not completely satisfied with the Rift on initial impressions. Which were mostly negative due to fog and sweat building up under the facial interface, both of which started to irritate me for different reasons.
So for me the Vive it has become and will be for quite a while. Now to save up some money for a better graphics card... >_
the new base stations will not work with the current vive
Those are meant for use in VR Arcade rooms if I read correctly and aren't for home use. So it's no wonder there is a lack in compatibility. I could be wrong though.
On a side note: Fogging up is further reduced for me by buying the VR Cover for the Vive with 6mm thickness, and yes I use glasses with that. Fits perfectly and the distance to the lenses is no problem for me (got about half a centimeter left of wiggle room).
I'll get a deluxe head strap a bit later when the issues are resolved and the product is a bit more mature. Being an early adopter doesn't have any advantages apart from saying "first!".
yea not a deal breaker or anything but I imagine they would use them for the next hmd also
LogiForce86 buy a used 980ti
do not buy a fove, there main selling point the eyep trapcking is not present in all programs. also i got a shitty camera that doesent even thread into the tripod they gave me. all based on the steam system which is mostly populated by rift and oculus games. not a good purchase idea.
Wow. Suddenly a fair and detailed video. Great job man.
And now the Vive costs less. Victor in my eyes.
Excellent video on the layout of both systems. It was exactly what I was looking for.
I bought an Oculus, get a Vive.
The USB cameras to the systems is a pain in the arse. If you've got a mATX motherboard you'll probably need a USB3 expansion card, might have enough USB3 ports but they eat up so much bandwidth can only really have 1 per USB controller. Hint: There's usually multiple ports per controller..
oh but wait, you'll need to buy a specific USB PCI-E card as most that'll find in your local shops won't work.
Then need to run USB around room, theres a limit on how long a USB cable can be and again only certain ones will work. All of this adds to the cost.
Controllers are awesome, but once HTC release knuckles that'll be an irrelevant win.
I like my rift, but it's just not worth the additional effort.
looks like oculus won the race to finger tracked controllers? surprise surprise. Competition... everyone wins!
question: did you buy it at full price? if so, if it were discounted from $600 down to $400, would it be worth it? I'm thinking about getting a rift, purely for cost.
Thanks. I was really interested in the Oculus touch and the supposed superior image with less screen door effect. But given that my build uses an mATX, you really swayed my mind...
Besides the entire moving around the room/tracking thingy, how is the Oculus Rift?
works great for 12x12ft rooms with 3 sensors(recommended) and is still $200 cheaper with the headset included I can't imagine you would need more room than that for 95% of games this guy is complaining about needing $20 worth of usb extension cords for the sensors
I've been looking for a down to earth comparison like this for months
That was a gr8 video. I have a psvr and although its probably not the best for tracking, image, etc. The one thing it is, is simple pick up and play. I have a gaming pc and was considering a vive or rift......BUT......i just keep debating things too much. Like oh, the oculus has the touch controllers. Then, but the vive has better tracking. Then, but oculus has a cheaper price. Then, etc, etc.
Tbh, i dont really have to worry about the room size with my psvr and i only need 1 camera, so its less fiddly. I dont really have issues with tracking as most my games dont need too much room. It just works and the image is gr8 in my opinion as im too lost in a game and enjoying the feeling, i dont notice bad things.
The only reason ive liked gaming on consoles is because of simple pick up and play. I dont have all the time in the world and so just like to pick up and play for half hour and go. I think i might just wait a little longer and stop debating which, 🤣🤣. Thanks again. 😉👍
I've been looking for an updated video like this. Subbed.
The vive is now $500 and it comes with controllers and a few cameras.
Well done review. Thanks! I've owned the Vive for about a year and I have always been wondering in the back of my mind if I couldve made a better decision with the Rift. I'm interested in the 3d Printed rifle and pistol. Any info on that?!
Links in this article (sorry, too lazy this morning to go and extract the exact links!) - www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-virtual-reality-accessories-3d-print/
Excellent video... Sadly, I already bought the Oculus 2 days ago for the Amazon Prime-day, and my play-space is very tiny; hopeful the Oculus is fine for me.
More importantly, your review of both products and unbiased opinion is truly refreshing and warrants a subscription.
Thanks for the information on both products!
Glad you liked it, thanks for commenting!
Nuruddin Peters Why sadly? It was an amazing deal!!! I got it too! And it's not the new cheap bundle box...it's a legit Oculus set...with carrying case and XBox One controller and the second box with touch controllers and sensor bar. I've been playing quite a bit since getting it!
Nuruddin . You won't be disappointed trust me :)
I loooooooove Robo-Recall!
1. I'm in the works of mounting these sensors on the wall... Thus far they are in a decent spot, but I can do better.
2. Any advice on detangling the Headset cable, btw?
Lol... I haven't played my Nintendo Switch since =(
I love it... The Carrying case/ wireless controller. It's a sleek piece of tech!
I wish it came wall/ceiling mounts by default... but, that's OK. [Bought some durable stuff from MicroCenter in NYC.]
a good tip: You can do 360 on the oculus just fine with only 2 sensors.
Put both camera's in a top corners of the room(just like the vive)
The calibration tool will say the sensors are to far apart,but ignore that an you're good to go !
Useful video, I'm still hammering my Oculus DK2 with it's single pick-up at present which I bought nearly 3 three ago so I've got my usage out of it. I know there's far more technology to come to VR, 4K 90mhz imagery with no wires so I'm going to just keep on using my DK2 until either the technology prevents me from using it or the next big tech increase makes it worth it. But from your video I think I need to seriously look at the Vive.
CMDR Pausanias *90 hertz (the refresh rate)
How do you still use it? I'm not sure how to use mine since it stopped being supported
Thanks so much for this! Been wanting to get a Vive since I tried it for the first and only time with Space Pirate Trainer about 8 months ago! Think I'll be getting a Vive today!
Great video. I chose the Vive over the Rift after extensively demoing both for 3 reasons. 1) Rift induced Nausea within minutes (for me). Never had any at all with the Vive. 2) Rift lenses fogged quickly, never had any fog with the Vive 3) Rift is owned by Fakebook, didn't want to give them my $.
I went with the vive over one year ago and im very happy I did. I have never had a problem and it just works. No usb cables needed and the lighthouses can be placed pretty much anywhere and they will track u perfectly. With revive U can play 95% of all oculus rift games with the vive. The only game I ever tried that doesnt work great is the climb.
If u buy the delux audiostrap u will also outmatch the rift in comfort IMO and also u get built in audio as a bonus.
Soon the new knuckles kontroller will come out also and so far every dev that has tried them say they are better than the touch controllers.
Only downside is that the vive is more expensive than rift but in my opinion it is worth the higher price.
Great comparison!
Dude! You said it yourself which is the best. HTC VIVE has longer cables, plug and play ready, fits better in your face even thought you're wearing glasses, has a wider field of view, is ready for new acessories and it has a partnership with Steam. So, yeah, it's better in everyway possible. And that's why Oculus Rift is way cheaper. I don't own a VR set, but I know now which to buy.
My vote is for Oculus Rift & Touch. So many people fall for the supersized roomscale debate but in truth that feature was way to early when it debuted with the Vive. We can barely get a full length game for either system much less ones that take advantage of a element not easy to implement (in regards to room size and available space). The Vive is trying to catch up with the comfort of the Oculus Rift and the usability of the Touch Controls. While the Oculus closed system feels limited what they give you works well whether its for a standard xbox controller, 180, or 360 experience. When you get some many options with the Vive, it actually makes it harder to adopt the technology. For instance... all those accessories and add-ons. If they are optional items, or over priced. You can never really guarantee the games will adopt them. For that I have to give Kudus to Oculus for giving solid support to the hardware they make.
to early? I will never subscribe to vr till I can take it outdoors or to a large venue to track epic environment exploration... Otherwise VR is a compromise when I can simply do satisfying open worlds on the desktop? More sad that 3d Vision is such a chore nowadays.
Oooh, if you buy one of those fancy shmancy 20 billion dollar laptops, and always carry around your lighthouses and a 5x5 tent, you can bring the vive anywhere*
*that you can set up a 5x5 tent...
the_realpapajohn - so you're saying there's a chance.
weirdly with "Solus Project", one full length real game with complete VR and touch support is almost never mentioned in any VR games list. It is not the most groundbreaking game ever, but it's also really not bad.
It's not as if there are many of them. Most converted real games have just classical controls like Elite and Subnautica.
While all the 30mins VR experiences" for 30$ are in every list.
AnDay5zlebt I bought the Oculus some weeks ago and the most enjoyable game right now for me has been the Solus Project, it's an amazing survival game, the touch controlers work extremely well to use all the objects, I love to use the torch, it gives a sensation of realism I haven't found in other games, the history is good, nice graphics (not the best, but nice) and so on. Solus Project is a must play for anyone with a VR headset.
Huh? What are you talking about at the end? I set up three sensors on the ceiling with a Rift, two years ago. I've never once had to reconfigure anything. It still works as perfectly as it did to begin with in a 10x12 foot play space. The tracking is phenomal, smooth and accurate everywhere.
Which just goes to show how variable the experience was. Some people had the exact right hardware combo to never have issues; some had them with every windows update or Oculus update. You've been lucky, but that doesn't discount the experience of (many) others. Anyway, this videos is years old, the Rift is even available to buy anymore!
VALVE MADE THE KNUCKLES NOT HTC!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!
hows my acting?
John Tdc probably better than your ability to keep you finger on the shift button for an extended period of time.
@@hexagonproductions2019 you didn't get the joke?
@@johntdc243 Naw you didin't
this was 2017
This was an amazing comparation between the 2, with an objective and clear point of view, thanks a lot!
Am i the only woh never have problems with oculus and 360 traking in my room?... With 2 cameras... Every one have problems. I had 0 problems with oculus not at my jobe not at home.. dafq?
How big is ur play area?
4*4 metres.
Oh nice. I'm thinking to buy a VR-Headset by myself. I'm just not sure wich of them. I have not that much space in my room. I could build a 2.5x2.5 meteres play area, but for that i have to throw my bed and a closet out of my room :D
I have another option too, wich provides a small play area of around 1x2 meteres in front of my table. So im wondering, wich is better. I prefere the feel of the oculus more. Crontrolers and the rift itself are more confortable for me. But the Vive seems to be more future proof. What do you think?
Well im kinda oculus fanboy XD
But i can make u a video with my setup and ull see. (+ i work with VR and every day i works with all 3 platforms (oculus/vive/psvr), they all good, but i rly love oculus. Its good looking, its good fit on a head + i still think that touch controllers are much better then any others)
That is the interesting point. People talk about these "game-areas" but it doesn't really matter as most people don't have so much space even in their living rooms. The rooms are filled with furnitures and other obstacles even when a room is a 5x7m size (35 square meters... BIG).
I just renovated one of my 25th rooms just for a VR, it ain't a big room, only a 2.7x4.4m that was third office previously but enough for VR now. And I don't have any reason to go from one end to another end in VR! I noticed that I actually need only about 1.5x1.5m area in most cases when in "Room VR". But in most cases it is sitting in a chair, and this allows to put a 4 player couch on other end of the room with a larger TV for them to see what VR player sees.
The distance is really important for the tracking quality and accuracy. That is the point with the sensors distance. Like we should know what is the resolution of the sensor, like is it around 64x64 pixels or like 256x256 pixels and so on. That is what allows us to draw the distance measurement that how accurately can a sensor separate the individual IR lend (or laser one) as further it is, more they get cramped together by sensor point of view.
The second is then a power/emission power, further the IR moves from sensor, weaker signal it sends to the sensor and smaller one, so sensor resolution and sensitivity becomes a problem.
And thirdly it is then the IR leak and filtering algorithms, does your space get lots of sunlight? As sunlight is IR source. Every area that gets lit by sun will be a IR source. So the algorithms need to filter the "IR blob" from "IR pattern" and so on. This is very common problem with TrackIR system as even a ceiling light can emit IR strong enough to cause problems. A shiny metal somewhere that can reflect a window where is sunlight can be too strong IR source for sensors etc.
Too many variables for people to test the VR performance in tracking etc. Like my VR room is now based on room that gets direct sunlight between 14-22 at summer time, that requires blinds and even that causes problem with IR tracking. So light curtain was required to be installed to lower the illumination of direct sunlight. And it became nice addition projector canvas anyways so win-win. And now there is no tracking problems from 4.2m distance while room ain't dark nor dim even, just no direct sunlight. So this is something Vive has better with its laser system as its signal-noise-ratio (SNR) is far better in the IR-emission environment.
The one problem that many forgets is that players are lazy people.... How long periods etc people think that most players are willing to move? Finally the movement areas gets smaller and smaller as players wants comfort and finally they end up to some sitting positions. Some will take VR as exercise but I will more gladly go running outdoors my track in the woods than do some gaming in VR. Then I can rest and enjoy from VR in a chair or do some smaller movement things.
And Oculus can very well release a upgraded receivers (as transmitter is the goggles) that are more sensitive, higher resolution and improve algorithms to filter IR so SNR becomes better.
Vive is great by amount of hype it gets. But at 450€ price for Rift + 2 sensors + Touch Controllers it is difficult/hard to beat, when the Vive is by its starting kit about 970€. Add a third sensor for Rift (about 70€ now) and there is "no room" that is having too much empty space where to use Rift.
The Rift and Vive are the fifth generation VR goggles now. The 5.5th generation has already appeared, it is the 4K version with far better optics than what Rift or Vive has, but no space tracking (only direction). But that means either Oculus or Valve needs to quickly upgrade their goggles so resolution goes up and this way many clarity problems are fixed. Still the comfort zone of people is huge, what leaves people wanting to sit down instead stand and roll etc. Not many want to go out jogging if their alternative is to sit on couch watching a movie. Same thing is with VR, why to stand and move if you can sit? Which one even a healthy kid age 15-20 is prepared to do for 2-3 hours per session? Sitting....
I plugged in the Oculus and have had 0 issues. Works everytime I put it on. I was actually very impressed with how easy it was and how quickly I got into it.
Then you've been very lucky. You only need to browse the Oculus subreddit to find users having issues with USB controllers. I moved mine last week to try out in the larger space in my garage. Everything went from working perfectly to completely broken: same machine, same cables, same ports. 2 hours of messing around swapping ports just to get it functional again. Not fun.
Its a marginal problem. Normal user shouldn't have any problem with the usb ports.
Well, I started with the Oculus DK2 when it came out, I loved that thing. then when I had to choose from the Vive or Rift CV1. it was a no brainer after my experiance with the DK2 so I got the Rift !!....
and honestly? it was a huge dissapointment. stuck with it for a good few months. it was just awfull. narrow field of view. bad bad lend flares. Oculus home is a joke. always reverting back to limited black levels. I'd fix it and get inkly blacks again then it would come back a few days later, god awefull tracking. so I sold it and felt really happy gettign a good price for it.
its been over a year now and I took advantage of the sales and got the HTC Vive. bundled with Doom/fallout 4 /tilt brush /Deluxue Audio strap. and quite frankly I'm blown away.
such a better experiance all round. better display. not quite as sharp as the rift in centre of view but its like 5% difference. very little flare. nice field of view. actually comfier for me anyhow.
wayyy better tracking. room scale is fantastic and adds a lot! controllers I LOVE. Steam VR is amazing intuative/ FUN! £595 for the bundle.
there seems to be more things happening, support, products and intertest from other companies for HTC. Cable is neat with just ONE wire (they must have changed the wide 3 cable thing they had, now its just one nice neat wire.
Vive all the way for me.
the cheaper price of the Oculus is a mute point if its a bad experiance and it was! I'd much rather pay extra for the best headset and it is !!!! ;)
I am also lucky enough to have purchased both Rift & Vive (& PSVR) I agree there is no clear winner. I find myself using the Rift for cockpit style games like Elite (which I can no longer play without VR!) as well as project cars and then use the Vive for anything room scale. I love them both. The PSVR is also surprisingly good for cost of entry (I just wish tracking was better) Great video!
Do you own all of them? If yes, don't you belive PS VR has extremely better quality of image? I bought the Oculus on the sale as they were a lot cheaper and I love VR so I wanted to get a PC headset, I prepared my PC even before getting a headset with a 1070 Xtreme. Reading all the comments out there I expected a better quality of image... and found an extremely worse one. Yes, the PC can get better graphics, but the glares and the screen door effect kill any won on image quality, for me the best one is the PS VR for now (I'm not talking about traking, that's out of discussion, Oculus and Vive are better in that field, a lot),
With the lawsuit between Oculus and Bethesda may mean a FO4 exclusive for the Vive. TIme will tell! Enjoyed the video, even the out of focus parts! :)
Even when it is exclusive, some genius will make a patch/crack xd
i think you dont realize that its easy to make hack for Vive as it is open system, kinda difficult other way around because Oculus is a closed system ...
Other devs are locking out Oculus via software, possible Bethesda goes that route due to the lawsuit. Also Revive knocks down the closed system already for Vive users, not difficult at all!
johngannon It will be patched to work on Oculus by release.
Thanks for that review. Answered all my questions
As a oculus owner I can say this: if you're a person who likes to play racing simulators, oculus is the best choice. I like the HTC Vive but I hate the horrible screen door effect (Yes it's a huge difference). With oculus I can at least see the corners I have to take haha.
I much prefer the far greater field of view. Occulus was promptly returned to the store upon realizing how inferior the screen technology is.
wow what? I have tried both just after each other and i haven't even realised that the vive had a bigger fov. Everyone can say what he wants about why the technoligy is better on this and that... But in the end I am way more emersed with the oculus than with the vive. Especially racing sims, NEVER buy a vive for racing sims it ruins everything
Not a big gamer, but I love Project cars with the Oculus and T300 wheel / pedals. Kevin, could you explain what you mean by greater field of view ?
essentially it has a larger "screen" when you look through it.:)
Same number of pixels, over a perceivably larger area (though, that's debatable), therefore slightly blurrier. But yeh, I play all my racing and space sims on Oculus because distant objects are clearer.
What issues are you having with Oculus? I've had it for a week now and have had no issues at all...and I've played several hours per day.
My friend says Vive is better for people with glasses so I will buy a Vive one :D
This was really informative and a bit entertaining, I've been looking for a good comparison between the systems. This video is great!
your information is wrong, Oculus beta program has an option to use extra touch controllers as VR objects,
+Djinn! will it make it out of beta, and is there a video of it in use somewhere?
Search for this title
''Oculus VR Tracker!? | Mixed Reality Third Controller Update''
It does work but is very much a dev thing right now. Also I think that update came out after this video. How could the uploader of known. Oculus is not talking about it eather.
Maybe, i'm not 100 percent sure of the update releasing later then this vid but it could be.
So, I just watched that video, and it appears that it doesn't actually work...
So I am in the middle of setting up a VR system I am building an absolute beast of a computer and the next step is my Headset and controllers. My VR room is 17 feet X 14 feet. What way would you say to go? Im guessing Vive so i don't have to fool around with USB extensions. My main game of interest at the moment is Arizona Sunshine. I have played it with my buddies Rift and it is great. I would love a bigger field of view though but I don't want to loose too much quality. Im really on the fence here. The extra money doesn't bother me if it pays off with better performance.
That's ludicrously large - nice! For that area, you will absolutely need to go with a Vive. The cost is about the same now anyway since the Vive also got a recent price cut.
Having both systems I have to say this is a pretty bad review. A lot of things about Oculus aren't accurate or simply missing:
1. Oculus exclusives - There are much more great Oculus exclusives. Which are the best games you have around in VR: Robo Recall (yes), The Climb, Chronos, Wilson's Heart, Landfall. On the other side as Oculus owner I probably can play pretty easy all big titles on Steam.
2. That HTC Vive controllers are better for shooters is a very subjective perspective. In my opinion, Oculus touch controllers are in every aspect the best controllers around. The tracking is much more accurate, which is better for aiming in Onward etc ;) p.s. There are build by the same design studio which made the Xbox controllers.
3. Oculus tracking system is bug fixed and pretty fine in bigger spaces when you use 3 sensors. And again is much more accurate.
4. The Oculus headset has a better wearing comfort and better field of view.
5. The Oculus headset comes with 3d stereo ear buds. Which is just great and creates a much better experience. Stuff you have to buy extras with HTC Vive.
6. Compare Steam VR to Oculus home. Steam VR is a buggy and badly designed crap. Which makes the whole Vive experience much more crap.
7. Resetting your Oculus sensors is never occurring with me and my sensor even not fix mounted. Maybe you should update your PC.
The only thing in my opinion where Vive / Valve beats Oculus pretty hard is the 3rd party accessories.
p.s. Let me just remind you that I have both systems. If I have to choose I would go with Oculus.
Yeah, its a good thing nobody gives a shit what you think. Nice list.
This was very informative to me though... ... ... ...
I do not understand. Most of the issues you addressed are mentioned in the video. Maybe you didn't watch all of it or skipped a couple of times.
BeyondPostal Greetings, Vive fanboy!
I owned a vive (sold it about a year ago due to lack of content and got a good offer from a friend)
At the time I bought the vive (799$) it was the only option for room scale vr at the time, and even after oculus released touch controllers, you get more out of your money if you go with the VIVE. Now after two price drops you can't go wrong with the Oculus rift, I wasn't planning on buying a first gen HMD again, but I changed my mind xD
Oculus Rift + Touch controllers + Extra 2 sensors (4 TOTAL) , Add a compatible USB 3.0 PCIE controller and 15ft HDMI extension cable, HDMI repeater, 3x 15 USB 3.0 extension cable + cable sleeve and zipties to make everything tidy ALL for 595$ that's a complete package for less than the launch price of the HMD alone.
at the current price I highly recommend the rift. If they were at the same price I would probably go with the vive (easier setup no usb for sensors and the Holographic front facing camera + larger play space)
Great review! Fair and complete, just the way all reviews should be!
HTC Vive, why? It may cost more, but you aren't supporting a company that tries to turn VR into a monopoly.
xXYannuschXx Htc is better i know and i’m saying this for the same reason
I am a consumer determining which system to Purchase
This video was very helpful in making my decision much easier, especially with the non-biased opinions and biased opinions. Thank you and well done sir
dude, you seriously have to pay around 200$ more for room scale in Oculus. I'd rather have the simpler setup and better tracking from the vive any day.
In which world? I got full roomscale with the two receivers in 10 minutes, also I got this with the touch for 450€ while Vive cost 700€ plus the deluxe strap to get the headphones, that's 350€ more than the Oculus for room scale. Unless you have a large room there's no need to get a third receiver and even then it's 290€ less.
Finally a no nonsense review with tons of information. Thanks.
Objectively Rift has a slight advantage overall. Price (including a 3rd camera if needed), Performance (higher framerate), Graphics (performance transfers into enabling higher graphics settings), faster to setup according to most reviews. Although differences between the headsets are minimal, having that little bit of extra room to tweak graphics and performance is a real advantage for min-maxers.
Can you clarify what you mean by Rift having a higher frame rate? Are you possibly misinterpreting Asynchronous Timewarp etc? As far as I know, these help to fill in missing frames on lower end machines. It's not really a frame rate boost or advantage, just a way to deal with bad performance.
Asynchronous Timewarp (ATW) is excellent at filling in frames giving a higher perceived framerate. Asynchronous Spacewarp does something similar, reducing judder when the user moves the head forward and backward, side to side, up and down.
They're useful on all PCs, from low end to high end. Any app that can stress the graphics card benefits from ATW and ASW. Turning up the graphics can easily stress the graphics card: anti aliasing, super sampling, ambient occlusion, bloom, other post-processing. We know VR users like to increase the super sampling or render scale because it makes things look crisper and more realistic. ATW and ASW give you more room to increase these settings. The Oculus Rift's ATW performs noticeably better than other headsets. And full ASW isn't even implemented yet on other headsets. On the PC we love graphics, and so many VR users actually depend ATW and ASW to boost the graphics settings in apps, I'm surprised that people don't talk about it more.
Fair enough. I can't say I've noticed a particular benefit of it, but then I haven't enabled supersampling on Oculus, so it may have never kicked in for me (or my GFX doesn't support it, or the games I play go through Steam VR).
"Performance (higher framerate), Graphics (performance transfers into enabling higher graphics settings), faster to setup according to most reviews."
False, false, and false.
The real difference is that rift has a tiny bit better pixel density (from the different lenses). Graphically identical (since both headsets run the same EXACT screen). Rift is more comfortable but worse for those with glasses.
Rift has worse FOV, and worse tracking accuracy/performance.
Vive uses Asynchronous re-projection, same exact thing as asynchronous timewarp.......
Before you go around and spread false information, do know that this is the internet and it's not easy to figure out that you are just a dumb fanboi looking to justify the lacking qualities compared to a superior product.
This could be pointed out as a downside of the Oculus Home, right now. The debugging tool (seperate download) can be used to force supersampling in the many VR games that don't natively support it, while SteamVR has this tweak inside its standard settings. Then again, Oculus likes to standardize since their target is average person, not techy, so it also makes sense so someone doesn't mess up their settings.
dude this video was amazing. very informative. except verdict at the end. very thorough and well balanced review.
Thank me later: 16:11
HetVlogMannetje hahaha thank you 4 months later
hahaha thank me 4 months later
Don't tell me what to do. I'll thank you now, thank you.
I will not thank you cuz he didnt say which is better
How much space you have and whether you would rather sit and play games or move all around is something that should be a big consideration. I have a vive and my biggest issue so far with it is that quite a few games require a pretty good size play area to even work. If you fake it and designate space over a couch or chair as free space then you can't reach items in the game you may need to reach down low for. There is a very neat option for "standing room" for vive that I strongly prefer and have made good use of, but frequently games for Vive are not compatible with that mode and require room scale larger than my space allows. Required room scale varies per game and unfortunately there is no way to easily go back and forth between selecting room scale mode (sometimes required) verses standing room mode (preferred in my case). It makes you go all the way through setup again each time you switch. My max room space happens to be about 5.5 feet by 9 feet of free space btw which is still often too small for some room scale games. Even if I expend out to about 13'x9' by including space with furniture in it, it feels like I can rarely go far in any direction before the entire experience is ruined by the grid lines. Another reason I strongly prefer the standing room option is that it does away with the warning grid lines and gives you a center circle on the floor to help keep you reasonably centered. Far less intrusive. I recently installed revive so I could play some Oculus games not available for Vive and I'm having a lot of fun with that. Ironic that so far I feel like I'm having more luck playing Oculus games on vive than Vive games on Vive. One last thing. Take care of those lenses!! They are extremely delicate plastic and no replacements are available that I've found! Wiping with a dusty cloth, or using the wrong cleaner can make them horrible to look through in no time at all. This is a horrible issue when you have someone who plays that tends to fog up the lenses a lot. Really disappointed neither system seems to have a reasonable solution for this.
16:11 ClickBait Title
Yeah. That's the part where he tells you that you're one hell of an idiot if you think there is a definite answer to which of the two is the best, either way its just a controversial opinion if he responded any other way than he did. The title is not clickbait in the sense that anyone with half a brain-cell will realize before watching the video that he'll only give his own opinion.
I'm going to use the VR for DCS, Elite Dangerous, StarCitized and such. Which one do you think is better for this?
Oculus. Cheaper, for a start, and I prefer it for sims.
Vive > Abism > Rift.
You just called the rift being better than virtual reality? And you commented twice?
Samsung Gear VR > Vive > Rift (just kidding)
This man made me subscribe to this channel I never heard of before
Yes I have used both there is no difference in perfect tracking!
I setup my oculus with three sensors.... and I never have to replug anything in, nor do i have to do any setups after the initial. Maybe you have USB issues? I did plug all items into 3.0 USB and used powered USB extension cables.
IMO, The Rift is better, its cheaper, its lighter, it looks better, less cords, easier setup, better touch controllers.
Great opinion. IMO the exact opposite is true. Lol. The great thing is that we have options eh? And more on the horizon.
the rift is lighter and has less cords
I have the updated Vive that was released in March. It's 15% lighter than the original. Most say it is on par or very close to rift. Less cords? The Vive comes with the 3-in-1 cable. It's just one cord now. It's likely with the new audio strap, the Vive will be more comfortable than the Rift for most users. For roomscale tracking, the Rift is at a major disadvantage due to needing USB cords and extensions for each sensor.
15% lighter... WITHOUT THE HEADSTRAP
plus the vives weight is entirely in the front box unlike the rifts, which the new strap doesnt fix according to all the reviews so far
I haven't seen those reviews. While it is still front-heavy the strap does DRAMATICALLY reduce the front load if you adjust it accordingly. I can wear the Vive for as long as I desire now. Used it for 6.5 hours straight yesterday. Rift makes me nauseous and hurts my eyes within 10 minutes. I tried CV1 multiple times. No amount of motion on the Vive has made me the least bit queasy. If not for the Vive I wouldn't be able to enjoy VR now. It's great to have options! To each his own. You love your Rift and I love my Vive. We're so darn lucky! =D
I tell you what, out of all the improvement videos I've seen it's always the vive taking parts from an oculus device and that speaks volumes
Rift is cheaper and the controllers are way better. I don't like moving around anyway and my fat ass will probably spend most of its time planted in a chair while playing. Probably gonna buy one this month, but I'm slightly worried Oculus is going to die off with ZeniMax breathing down their neck.
They have a facebook war chest behind them, so I doubt they'll die off anytime soon. Playing the long game, perhaps.
I like to think of it like Apple iPhone vs Google Android. Android provided a platform for manufacturers. Anybody could use their OS. They have achieved world domination. SteamVR is a platform. Any manufacturer (to my knowledge) can license the platform and make an HMD. HTC was the first to step up with the Vive. But they are far from the last. LG is the next up to bat. Who knows after that. Chances are this platform will make SteamVR the true winner of the long game. Market saturation will drown out any other platform.
Cade Johnson bur the controllers arent included so is it still cheaper when you add them?
does oculus include 2 censors?
lol lol,
Yeah, the standard package apparently does contain 2 sensors.
Also there's an experimental "feature" where you can use 2 sensors for room scale (10 feet squared though; pretty tiny compared to Vive).
You could google it yourself. It's easy lol lol.
Í like your review .. thank you very much. I would like to see a review based on sit down VR games, like Elite Dangerous, project cars, etc. And, if you may I ask you, did you tested the Pimax 4k for this kind of purpose? I really would enjoy to watch a review from you including this one. Cheerios and thanks again!
oculus tracking is fine don't be a scaremonger!
but vive tracking better of course (play area = base station area). But i like good games more than big roomscale, so i sold Vive.
Oculus tracking is acceptable, much better than Sony's PSVR. But Vive's setup is the best currently going. Even when you do get Oculus' constellation perfectly set up and bug free, the cameras don't have the range and field of view to compare to the Vive's laser lighthouse.
But, Oculus takes the edge in other areas, particularly value.
In my experience Oculus tracking has been perfect with 2 sensors in a 3x3 room scale configuration I'm not sure how they can improve on it?
When you say "perfect", have you used a Vive? Most Oculus owners think their tracking is perfect until asked to upload a video of it, and suddenly many flaws are found.
you are going on very old information, tracking bugs have been solved for months, yes when a rift user says their tracking is perfect it actually is in comparison to a vive
smh what a biased opinion from a reviewer
Finally, a video I was looking for! Thank you.
I know it's been a bit, but the Vive is actually $600 now, with the Rift + touch controllers now being $400. Just an updated price for everyone.
Also, when I demoed the Vive, the particular model had the deluxe audio strap. I'm not much of a fan. The earpieces sit really loosely on your ears and you can hear everything around you quite easily. I'm already leaning towards the Vive and I feel as if it'd be better accompanied by a good wireless headset.
Thank you for a very unbiased rundown on the pros/cons of each set.
Glad you liked it! In fact, other commented have accused me of being a shill for both Oculus and Vive ;)
Thanks this was a great review, I like how you presented it and will subscribe and like!
I'm still deciding myself on which to go with, though from everything I've heard the Vive is the way to go for what I want.
I want to be able to have a decent amount of play area, the room I'm going to be using is 11x10 foot play space, which sounds to be perfect with the Vive, as well as having better tracking, as I think PvP and action type games will be coming out very soon.
The down side honestly, is by the look of things I would much rather the Rifts controller, having the ability to use my fingers would be incredible and just fun all around.
The other up-side of the Rift, from what I've seen is their non gaming features, which are geared towards and may eventually be the future of game development (in my opinion).
Honestly, I'm just going to see how far away the Vive is from releasing their prototype controller, because so far, that is what I'll go with.
Oculus have great discount right now only 399$ for VR and Touch together. Half price of HTC Vive. Do you recommend just buy this?
Yes, but you might have to wait a while as they've run out of stock.
Just discovered your vid. True craftsmanship ! Clear and unbiased straightforward comparison. 5 stars !
By any chance, have you already been able to experience DCS world (flight combat sim ) with OculusR or Vive ?
Not a fan of real flight sims I'm afraid so passed on that one, more into space combat ;)
Old video but great point of view ( I'm just late in finding it ) Thanks for taking the time. Probably end up with one of each eventually as hardware improves over time. PSVR has been a great start but the recent price drop means the Vive is next, used both the Rift and Vive and its hard to go wrong on either of them.
I plan to use a VR headset for developing games, which should i go for?
That surely depends on what platform you're targeting.
I recently bought the HTC Vive, but I bought it on sale from Vive which it comes with the Vive + GTX 1070 + Fallout 4 VR for $799. I believe it was a solid deal.
So if I'm just playing elite dangerous would the oculus be a good idea without buying any extras?
Should be noted that the Rift and Vive has opposite sensors (Vive has tracker in headset while rift has the camera as the tracker). And it kinda seems like rifts "space movement" was an afterthought and Vive had it as a selling point from day one (whether you need/want it or not) at least you get the option from Oculus.
I bought both with my own money plus PS VR plus this year the Samsung version Mixed Reality ( forget this as it just VR). I give the Vive an edge up since as you pointed out the sensors just need power. as for controllers I find the Vive grip in Overkill VR are too sensitive I keep unloading my guns. PS VR has the best game in Resident Evil Bio shock maybe it is just me but the chainsaw spilling my guts was the most intense emotion I have had from any VR game on any system.
Thank you for the explanation between the two. It was very helpful :)
Thank you for the great in-depth review of both headsets.This does help me make a choice of what I will spend my money on
What a great review! I wish more stores did demos but as of yet, I've found NONE!
Fantastic comparison. It seems like the Vive is the way to go if you have the money and space. I personally went with the Rift because of that current sale, and I have a tiny room. I have used both and much prefer the Touch controllers for gun-based games (Robo Recall, Super Hot, etc), but that room scale in the Vive is awesome. I have also had some technical hiccups with the Rift (mostly consisting of me having to re-seat the connector running into the headset) and it would be nicer with the Vive and not really ever having to do that.
Thanks for all your thoughts on this.