@@billx4266 IQ is almost the same although I think high iso noise performance is slightly improved. It's mostly autofocus, speeds, video, and the benefits of a stacked cmos sensor (which are a LOT) so blackout free, silent no wear shooting at up to 30fps
@@learningcameras Hey Dan, you're the first to mention the grip. I noticed it looks like it's a little closer to the original EOS R in shape vs. the R5, which I think would be an improvement; is that how it feels?
Appreciate that! Not surprised...It took me a while to figure it out and we had so much we were trying to do in 1 day with only a 4hr sports shoot...but I use Canon cameras often so I knew something wasn't right when I was adjusting the focus system sensitivity and not noticing a difference in performance so at that point I had to investigate. Most of the other youtubers had a team though to help...I was solo for this event so it was a crazy day trying to test everything and still get enough A-roll to make a semi good vid
Very clear and concise, honest and informative review. Thank you! Not like many biased "reviewers", like PetaPixel guys, for example, according to whom it's a rather mediocre camera lagging behind the competition which is clear falsehood. It's quite clear Canon R5 Mark II is going to be one of the best-selling cameras for wildlife, sports, weddings photographers especially, most probably even the best-selling camera of the near future.
After a long hiatus, I upgraded my old 7D to enter the mirrorless world last year with the R6m2 and I didn't think there was any way Canon could entice me to throw another 4.3K at them...but the R5m2 is going to do exactly that.
@@learningcameras for sure and it will make a great second body to compliment the R5m2. I just wasn't prepared for the sheer number of upgrades Canon was going to offer: 45MP BSI, Action Priority focusing, implementing CLog 2 (which I was convinced they'd gate to their Cinema line), full sized HDMI (which everyone else had done but thought maybe Canon had just dug in their heels here). One of my favorite lenses to use is the RF 50 1.2 but I can tell on my R6m2 the limiting factor is the sensor. I'm looking forward to seeing all the additional resolution the lens is capable of on the R5m2's sensor.
@@joewise1400 possibly but most tripods would block this partially too and both cameras were on the ledge. Panasonic did it best, they vent next to the hotshoe
@@RayValdezPhotography Technically these cameras all warn you not to touch the camera when the overheat warning is set to high so in all of these tests, they would need to be fixed to something
I wonder if you setting it on something totally flat impacted the passive cooling since it has an intake vent on the bottom? Obviously no fan built in.
Potentially...didn't have a tripod to mount these but I feel like some tripod plates or rigs would block some of that vent anyway and the R5II has a second vent on the side that wasn't blocked
Thank you for your first impressions. Once you have the chance to do some testing I would be delighted to learn: - Are the AF possibilities/features also 1:1 avaliable in video mode? If not which are missing? - Is the 4k 120fps 8k downsampled, or 4K crop or 8K line-skipped/binned? - Are 10Bit 422 codecs available with Canon colors or only in LOG formats? - Does the electronic shutter allow exposures > 0,5 sec? These are the main issues I have with my R5 and would like to see them solved before upgrading. And btw. when you test overheating, give the R5 MII a chance and do not block the airflow inlet in the bottom. 🙂
So all the AF possibilities and features are available in 1:1 but 1:1 is not a true 1:1...it's still shooting a 16x9 video and just chopping off the sides so I would rather do this in post. Canon doesn't allow native multiple aspect ratios (open gate). 4k is only oversampled up to 30fps...everything else is binned or line skipped. 4k60 in the APSC crop mode is oversampled 10bit 422 is only in LOG and HDRPQ Not sure on the slow exposures on the E shutter Hope that helps! Yeah, didn't have tripods with me to mount them but there is also an inlet on the side and my original R5 has no inlets so still surprised it overheated faster than the R5. Also worried some tripods/rigs would block that bottom airflow inlet anyway
@@dwanelkemprai4983 No to the video centric features...Canon typically holds those back and creates a cinema version of the camera. They had the R5C which was a cinema R5 so there is a solid chance we see a cinema version of this with those video features. But you can shoot 4k60 without a crop or with a crop!
I have had my A7r lll for the last six years. but I was looking back at some of my images from my Canon 5Dlll witch I still own. and there is something about the colors and overall look of the images that I really like. and this R5ll has me actually considering Canon again. and I still have my Canon mount glass. so I am wondering how older glass works with the R5 ll. and some of my lenses are Tamron and Sigma. because when adapted to the Sony A7r lll they do not focus as good as native glass. and the focus points are limited and they don't video focus. but my biggest question is how does the colors of the R5 ll compare to the newer Sony cameras like the A7rV or the A1. The main reason I find myself sticking to Sony is because of all the high quality 3rd party glass.
Awesome! So I've tested EF glass adapted to my original R5 and they work extremely well with the adapter. Canon's adapter is my favorite adapter and they also have versions with built in ND which is pretty cool if you shoot video. The focus works very well although keep in mind most old lenses aren't tuned for video so they can be a bit more jumpy but Canon will focus for video. Focusing will work much better with EF adapted to the R5 than Sony's adapters. I think Sony finally fixed color issues with the A7RV which actually has a newer color profile to the A1. I still prefer Canon's colors personally but I think it's more of a preference these days and the color issues that Sony had early on are gone so you could go either way.
Yes and no. There are 2 vents and this bottom vent would absolutely be blocked by any normal video tripod plate anyway. Plus both cameras were positioned the same with the original R5 having no vents so I'm sure blocking it didn't help but I can't say I like the location of the vent. I'll definitely do a real test when I get it in and actually have 2 tripods lol but this was more to compare the original r5 to the r5ii
As always Dan thanks for this useful information. Is the 4k60 on the r5 mkii fine or oversampled, or is it line skipped? I’ve watched a number of reviews, and there are considerable inconsistencies in the available reviews. I do suspect that the 4k60 is line skipped, but in your opinion, is the 4k60 on the r5 mkii viable, or is it entirely too soft/compromised. Your opinion please.
Thanks! I do not believe 4k60 has a FINE mode so it should be line skipped. That said I used it almost entirely and I thought it looked solid. I WISH we had more time with the camera. I hope Canon regrets giving us 1 day to review 2 cameras because it's almost impossible to test/verify everything in that time
@@learningcamerasI have to say this. I typically view TH-cam videos by the comments sections of their videos. Your comment section is probably the most supportive and informative TH-cam channel I’ve ever seen. This is awesome and you deserve praise for that.
If the Z8 didn’t exist, the R5II would have looked so much better. That Z8 reliability for video recording still amazes me, and it doesn’t even need a fan to achieve it. While those new cameras are now going spec for spec with it, the Z8 seems even more impressive LOL!
Hey Dan, could you confirm if the 8K oversampling is limited to 4K 30p only? Since this camera is able to record in 8K 60p I thought 4K 60p oversampled is a given but I saw in an article that 4K 60p on the R5 Mark II is subsampled. If so that seems to be the only drawback this camera has at this price. Its a great iteration otherwise with all the right incremental updates. Great video as always. 😊
Hey...you do get oversampling in 4k60 in the APSC crop mode but full frame 4k60 is not oversampled. The R1 which is a 6k sensor will oversample 4k60. It's more of a drawback to having a high resolution sensor...it's just too much information to oversample. The A7RV can't oversample at all in full frame but lower resolution cameras like the Canon R1, R6II, & Sony A9III can oversample 4k60 since they only have 24mp sensors. I don't know of any 45mp+ camera that can oversample 4k60 yet in full frame and it would probably overheat quickly
@@suchetdas5392 honestly 4k24 oversampled already overheats fast so running more than 2x that processing power doesn't seem possible without something being different like active cooling, bigger battery, or better processors. But the R1 can oversample 4k60 as can the cheaper R6II so I use that camera a lot
@@learningcameras Yeah, I think the running times would improve with firmware though. My friend has an R5 and it could shoot 4K 24p oversampled for an hour atleast in direct sunlight after 3 or 4 firmware updates. Btw, I think the Nikon Z8 also has 4K 60p oversampled from 8K but it overheats. Thanks for replying.😀
I'm a longtime Canon user- all my high-end lenses are Canon, and I have a Canon C300, an old Canon DSLR but I've been wanting something smaller that is a hybrid for my content creation. Been leaning towards Sony A1 but these reviews of the R5 have me rethinking... if you had only Canon lenses would that sway you to go Canon R5 or stick with the instinct to go Sony A1?
Honestly I think the R5II has better hardware than the A1, better autofocus thanks to being newer, and very few negatives compared to the A1 despite being significantly cheaper. Sony did it first (by years) but the R5II is probably the better camera and I don't think paying $6000 for the A1 is worth it. I'm sure there will be an A1 mark II at some point that blows us away (although likely $6500+) but if I had to get a camera today, I'd take the R5II over the A1 and I currently have both. I think both companies make good lenses but Sony definitely has more native choices and tend to be smaller. I'm sure Canon will have more over the next year but even right now, they have all the lenses I need so just make sure the options you need are covered. I love how compact the Canon 70-200 F2.8 is and Canon has a 24-105 F2.8 which is insane
Means a lot! I think dynamic range is going to be almost the same as the R5. Going to a stacked cmos sensor increases readout speed but does not improve dynamic range.
Great video thank you. I do have a question. I shoot wedding videos with a A7SIII. My photography camera is a A7R5 and I was wondering your thoughts on this. Do you think I could definitely use my A7R5 as a back up video camera in case my A7SIII failed/broke during a wedding video shoot?
Thanks!! So the A7RV works as a backup camera, especially for 4k24, but the issue with it is no 4k60 full frame or any higher frame rates. Also 4k24 isn't oversampling the entire sensor in full frame though, you have to use the APSC crop modes for that. But the quality is still solid in general
Dan, coming from a Nikon D810 and it's ridiculous DR for photos (I got spoiled), then buying a Canon R8 for video and being shocked at how good it's photo DR was compared to what I had experienced in the past with Canon, I'm wondering, were you able to push/pull shadows/highlights with your testing and how did the RAW files seem to handle it? Thanks in advance!
Hey! So you definitely got spoiled with the D810 and DR because that camera is still among the top for image quality. Canon went through a rough patch with dynamic range for a while but they are finally on the other side. They still tend to trail a bit compared to the Sony & Nikon sensors but not by enough to be a big issue. The R5II seemed to handle pushing/pulling no problem but I was mostly shooting indoors and higher ISO so not a great example. But I have used the original R5 which was great with dynamic range (though slightly behind the Sony A7RV) and I will have the R5II back in my hands this week for better dynamic range tests for a full review
Another question Dan. Why did you place the cameras down on the concrete ledge in hot 100 degree air temperature? The surface was most likely reflecting temps well above 200 degrees and weren't you blocking the vents? Confused about your testing method. Maybe have them off the concrete would be better?
Oh, and why the R5ll? Well the intake vent is on the bottom of the camera. The heat from the hot toaster concrete just shoots straight up through those bottom vents. Ya basically sat the vents on a frying pan. Heat travels from hot to cold.
Because I didn't have tripods and I had 0 time to test this so this was the best I could do in the 1 day I had. Also, if the vent is on the bottom I'm blaming Canon for that...it shouldn't be. A tripod plate would cover that up as well. Expect a better test soon. But I wasn't trying to see how fast it overheated...I didn't even put the time for that reason. I wanted to see if it was BETTER than the R5 and I think the test was suitable for that
@@joaomarveloso1049 It does have a noticeable improvement over the original R5 but I also own the Canon R6II which also has the updated Ibis system so I'm used to it. It's not quite up to Panasonic levels of stability but it's definitely better than Sony's IBIS. If you're coming from the original R5, you would probably notice the improvement
As a running photographer I'm curious to know if there is an easy way to toggle between faces if the camera autofocuses on one runner but you want the focus to be on another runner in view
One other quick question...can you do a one-button custom white balance in video mode? Or are we still switching to photo mode, grabbing a still, then switching back and setting.
I did not test the wobble specifically but I did throw on my 15-35 and just checked my video and was not seeing that wobble on the ends. Definitely not conclusive though. I did not see a custom LUT option but I'll see if I can verify. You do have a standard rec709 gamma correction for the display though
Great Video! On the overheating test, the Mark ii 's heat dissipation system (without the fan grip) is from the bottom of the camera up and out the side port. So basically by setting it on the ledge of the pool, you blocked the vent and what, if any air that did move thru the camera was superheated but the concrete it was sitting on as I have shot all through Nevada and by 10 am everything is 100+ degrees just sitting in the sunlight... Do the same test only on a tripod/mini pod, etc... (I know you didn't have much time at all, so I'm not pointing a finger, just pointing out what might have happened during the quick test.) Thanks for this great first look Dan! : D
That's true but when I mount a large tripod plate and other support systems, I would likely cover up a lot of that bottom as well. But yeah, that's why I said definitely not conclusive and I didn't have tripods with me at the event to mount it, but I was still surprised it overheated faster than my R5 without a vent. But definitely will be testing when I get it back in to make sure it has improved.
you mentioned there isn’t anything that is as good at photo and video and referenced the Z8 as a possibility. What about the R5c... Maybe not quite as good on the photo side but pretty close
@@CrunchGaming the R5c was definitely priority video. The ergonomics, battery life, and menu structure are definitely video centered. I think the way I worded it is that the R5II was the best photo centric camera that was also good at video
This overview is well done, like your honesty. I have always thought Canons niche was the glass not their bodies. I have an R5 and ordered the 6am wake up call R1. I’m hoping canon announce the 200-500 in the next couple of weeks, my 100-300 is outstanding, but I still need the 500 reach
I don't believe there is a cropped 120 mode...just full frame but I can't remember for sure. Yes, you no longer have to shoot ALL-I in 120p so it's way more useful
Turn off the Sports recognition autofocus. It prioritizes "action" regardless of where the autofocus point is or what your trying to focus on. It was a little too "auto" for me
The regular Canon R5...was surprised it was that bad too!! Hunted like crazy. I was using the new Canon RF 35mm F1.4 so maybe it was the lens but it was absolutely horrible
Thank you. So, independent of price, for stills, how do you compare it to the Sony A1 that is stacked 50 Mpixel at 30 FPS? I own the current R5 and the Sony A1 and A7RV at the moment and you can get a lightly used A1 for about the same price. Really like your presentation. Take care.
@@stevenwaldstein2249 thanks! So basically this is the same speed and resolution as the A1 for $2000 less. The A7RV is amazing, I just think it's only amazing at a smaller subset of photography jobs where the R5II is good at everything
@@stevenwaldstein2249 Not really. The A1 did what the R5 did first...it's just $2000+ more expensive. Plus there is a good chance the A1 gets updated in the next year anyway.
Hi Dan. I think I saw many other reviews show that you can record in multiple 10 bit formats that are not Log, including Canon 709 and their standard picture profiles like Neutral and Standard etc.... Is that not the case?
@@sajjanreshami they were both set to high. Again, not surprising it overheated since it was 110 degrees and I was shooting oversampled 4k on a hot concrete wall but a bit surprised my original R5 didn't overheat first
@@learningcameras If you don't mind, would you please share how long does R5 mark ii actually record before overheated. On Canon R5 in your video show 8 minutes 49 seconds, does that mean the mark ii overheated before 8 minutes Or the original R5 was re-recording after the 30 minutes of time limit? I hope you will make it clear for all of us. Thank youi.
@@sajjanreshami So I have the camera coming back tomorrow so I'll be sure to do a fair test to see (very curious myself). That test was in crazy 115 degree heat and the cameras were just set on a ledge so it was mostly to see how the R5 compared to the R5II in identical tests. I'll test them in more real world examples over the next few days!
Great first look Dan! I have a question. When playing back Clog captured video, does it give you the option of a gamma support assist where you can playback the footage with a rec 709 look or something similar, or does it only playback with the log look? Thanks for all the great work!
Holy cow, Dan. Thanks for that over-heating test in the heat. This is the true test of the overheating, especially for event shooters. We have to be able to shoot out in 90+ weather sometimes. Not shocking this beast over-heated without active cooling but disappointing nevertheless.
Yeah, definitely not conclusive with them just sitting on a floor but I didn't have tripods and keep in mind it was 110 degrees outside lol. I was mostly curious if it outlasted my old R5 and it didn't. Some think it was because the R5II has a vent on the bottom but I feel like that could be blocked with tripods too and there is also a vent on the side where my original r5 has no vents
For videography only, I still tend to rely on the FX3 because it's more purpose built for that. But the FX3 is almost useless as a photo camera where the R5II is one of the best wedding photo cameras you can buy so for anything hybrid, I'd take the R5II in a heartbeat over the FX3
Fantastic video Dan, huge fan of your work! Just a small correction that the R5 ii is marginally heavier than the R5, the weight of 656g is without card and battery.
Appreciate that! I double checked my spec sheet that I got from Canon corporate for the R5II and it says it is only 588g without a card and battery....670g with
@@learningcameras that’s so strange! Canon UK website says 656g without, 746g with, just ever so slightly different to the R5 weight. Did the camera feel lighter than the R5?
For my personal work, I've used everything but I currently shoot Sony the most for video and Canon the most for photo work. My wife is a wedding/portrait photographer and she mostly shoots Canon. But 3 years ago I shot primarily Nikon and 5 years a primarily Panasonic so like to keep it fresh lol
How high in ISO do you feel ok with for clean imagines in the m2 and the m1? For the m1, I usually stay under 2500 and shoot in c-RAW. I am really hoping for better low light performance? Are the upscaled photos very clean compared to something like TOPAZ?
Based on what I've seen, it's slightly better but not a massive difference so expect maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of a stop improvement although apparently I have a higher tolerance for noise because I have no issues using these above 6400 ISO. Noise reduction these days in LR is impressive. I haven't compared it to Topaz but I would imagine Topaz would be better, but Canon allows you to do it in camera which could be helpful in some situations
How’s it enough time to review two cameras in one day? You could barely get a feel of it. Then I stumbled across Gerald’s critique on YT reviewer culture.
That's why this isn't a full review. Personally I prioritized the R5II because yeah, 1 day was not enough. But would you rather we not make this video and you are forced to get your information from the Canon press release? I definitely would have liked more than a day but we take what we can and it's better than nothing. Once I get the camera in again, expect a full review. But this has nothing to do with Geralds video...he doesn't make real world hands on videos so of course he wouldn't like this
@@michaels3003 assuming you are talking about a screen, there are multiple companies with 4 axis screens. And basically every camera has a 3 axis screen. Highly doubt there is a patent they can't get around on how many hinges a screen can have
@@learningcameras , unfortunately we don't know how companies make decisions. I would like to know the percentage of buyers who use this camera to make a living. Old medium format Hasselblats cost as much as a car, but professional photographers kept buying them. This is an "all around" camera that tries to please all kinds of buyers. This is why it costs "only" $4k.
No tilt screen makes this a terrible camera for Street, Landscape and Reportage Photography. I was hoping for a 4-axis screen, Canon. I own the A1 and I wanted Canon to force Sony to do better and they failed with the R1 and R5ii in a massive way all due to the flappy screen.
For what I do, a tilt screen alone is not workable. I have the A1 and never use it. I shoot cars and a low down vertical or high up vertical is mandatory and impossible with the A1. I need either a fully articulating screen or the 4 axis screen on the A7RV but a tilt only screen is unusable for me
When it comes to street I agree with you that a tilt screen is perhaps more favourable but as a person who has been taking landscapes for many years I don't see it ever being an issue. When it comes to reportage I have friends who hardly ever fiddle with the screen, they are in the habit of using the viewfinder in most cases. What you mention is a very niche case scenario. But the A7RV has the best of both worlds and is a great innovation covering all bases, I hope other companies take a hint from it.
@@millerrd0725 it doesnt have an on-axis tilt screen for Photojournalism like the A1 & A9iii. This does nothing to bring A1 & A9iii owners over to Canon. I am not going to use a camera that forces me to look off-axis from my subject
What??? It's declared...I checked the video settings. I also made very clear in the video that soundstripe sponsored the video. Not true. Also, I appreciate Soundstripe for actually sponsoring this video and helping me pay rent while also creating these videos because otherwise it would be impossible to deliver free content to you that took almost a week to create that required me to spend 3 unpaid days sweating in Arizona just to get access to the camera
So I'm going to tamper that slightly with that it CAN overheat. I overheated mine on a 110 degree day so that's maybe a little unfair lol and I was also in a mode that oversamples from an 8k sensor which most cameras don't even have a mode that high. If you turn off oversampling, it can record without overheating most likely...although I think 110 degrees will overheat almost every camera, it's just a matter of how long.
I don’t understand getting this over the Z8. First of all, the R5 having a worse readout speed than the Z8 makes it an automatic fail for me cuz u can get the Z8 for far less money. And you have to buy canons overpriced glass on top of that.
Nikon definitely put out a winner with the Z8 and I pointed out at the end that at the Z8's sale price ok $3500, that's an insane deal. But a lot of people prefer Canon so it's their version of the Z8 and the R5II definitely has the win on AF and frame rates if you depend on either of those. Nikon's lenses are great but they are massive, heavy, and a few vital lenses are still missing so they need to do some catching up on the lens side. Opening up the mount to more 3rd party options will definitely help
02:10 This is the reason I will never buy a Canon camera. That damn side hinged pull out, flippy, flappy, take forever screen. How many pro’s shoot themselves at a sports event or a wedding etc? This trend has been forced on us by TH-cam reviewers who want to film themselves. Canon… it’s about time you gave us a choice and stop forcing this damn rear screen on us.
I mean, before this flip screen, the screen was literally stuck to the back of the camera which you can absolutely STILL DO! So all a flip screen did is give you the option to flip out and to protect your screen by flipping it closed. Also, a tilt only screen sounds like a decent option but tilt ONLY works if you are keeping the camera horizontal. Try shooting a vertical image low to the ground or high up in the air with a tilt screen which is a mandatory thing for us car photographers...it's impossible. So no, the flip screen is more valuable to any vertical shooting photographer than it is to youtube reviewers that want to film themselves. But I agree, the 4 axis options that have both are amazing
That's not crippling. I think there is maybe 1 camera right now that can even oversample 4k60 from 8k and that camera overheats very quickly when doing it. Crippling is when Canon has the ability to do something but pulls it intentionally to save it for a higher priced item. While the R1 can oversample in 4k60, it only has a 6k 24mp sensor so it's MUCH easier to do that. Canon's R6II has oversampled 4k60 so obviously Canon doesn't cripple this ability. There are legitimate downsides to having too many pixels for video. It will actually oversample using the APSC crop mode in 4k60 and Sony's A7RV can't even shoot full frame 4k60 at all!
@@learningcameras Fair enough. However for example the sony A1 doesn't oversample it's 4k from 8k in FF mode. Yet if I remember correctly Gerald Undone stated on his review or in some comparison with that camera that the 4k quality on A1 camera is similar to the A7S3 while R5M1 LQ 4K was considerably worse than A7S3 in your review. So i guess there must be a variety of methods for aquiring a 4k image from 8k image when not doing oversampling if the results seem to vary considerably. I think the difference in A1 4K and R5M1 LQ 4K is larger than the megapixel difference between those cameras could explain if A1 is as good as a7S3. So i wonder could canon have improved their LQ 4K image from the R5 mark1 even without supersampling so that it would at least be at the A7S3 level?
@@playlistneo1584 The reason the A1 pulls that off is it has exactly 2x the pixels it needs for 4k so it can downsample with much better quality without having to oversample. The A7RV does something similar in 4k60 where it does almost a 1.3x crop to go from 61mp to around 50mp where it can do that same downsample. The R5 uses oversampling which offers more detail but takes more processing power so just a trade off.
Just curious, what feature will that give you that you don't have here and is it worth the extra $2000+ because I can't see Sony making the A1 II cheaper than the current one
All it shows to me is that the sensor technology is behind SONY sensor technology to be a technology ĺeader. Shooting A9III and A1, I am not impressed by these new cameras. No GS puts the R1 well behind the A9III.
Absolutely...Sony is a sensor company and that is showing with the crazy sensor tech they are throwing out. Sony is just overpricing their high end cameras. The R5II is now the same speed and resolution as the A1 with hardware and features that are just as good, but priced over $2000 less despite the Sony being 2+ years old! Sony knew they were ahead with stacked CMOS and now GS so they priced their cameras accordingly. Where Canon is in trouble is the R1 which I completely believe Sony will blow away with the next A1
@@TJIzzy That's not completely true. It's only below 400 ISO where Sony takes a dynamic range hit. At 400 ISO or more, it's almost identical to other cameras. So yeah, I wouldn't pick the A9III for landscape photography but sports and wildlife would often be at 400iso or more to keep shutter speeds topped off and dynamic range on the A9III is absolutely fine there
@@learningcamerastry shooting sports with the sun overhead. Underexpose and bring up shadows in post. It was a nightmare with the Nikon D5,it’s a nightmare with the a9III.
That's not a compromise...that's personal preference. I'd prefer a flip screen any day than a tilt only screen like the Sony A1. I have to shoot vertical photographs low to the ground and at high angles for photography and tilt screens like the A1 are a no go. The new 4 axis screens are great but only Panasonic used them for years until Sony finally put it on the A7RV
I mean Canon took 5 years to update....and still cannot include a cooling system in the body ... 8k sensor without active cooling system in the body ..its surprising....That battery grip cooling looks after thought 🤔. I am keeping my s5iix 😅 .
Watched the video and still have no clue what you are referring to as "uncompromised" . Assuming its just clickbait because there are a ton of compromises!
Such as? It really had everything I wanted that I would expect. I guess oversampled 4k60 would be nice but no high resolution photo camera has pulled that off without overheating like crazy so I don't completely blame Canon for that
Are you buying one??
Is the IQ better then from the R5? If not, im not gonna upgrade... So tell me?
@@billx4266 IQ is almost the same although I think high iso noise performance is slightly improved. It's mostly autofocus, speeds, video, and the benefits of a stacked cmos sensor (which are a LOT) so blackout free, silent no wear shooting at up to 30fps
The reason I sold my original r5 was because of DR in video. I have pre-ordered. Will sell My A1, so I will have the R5 ii and A7R V
@@learningcameras thanks, i mostly shoot in good light and the video, i shoot 4k HQ and its very good, think im gonna stay with my R5.
@@learningcameras Hey Dan, you're the first to mention the grip. I noticed it looks like it's a little closer to the original EOS R in shape vs. the R5, which I think would be an improvement; is that how it feels?
I love how comprehensive your vids are. Watched 3 other youtubers and they did not mention the auto focus hierarchy like you did.
Appreciate that! Not surprised...It took me a while to figure it out and we had so much we were trying to do in 1 day with only a 4hr sports shoot...but I use Canon cameras often so I knew something wasn't right when I was adjusting the focus system sensitivity and not noticing a difference in performance so at that point I had to investigate. Most of the other youtubers had a team though to help...I was solo for this event so it was a crazy day trying to test everything and still get enough A-roll to make a semi good vid
I hope for oversampled 4K60 to be added via firmware update some day soon!
Could you test the 4K60 RAW lite?
The battery is slightly higher voltage and has more consistent output throughout its discharge.
You had the best R5II video with the most thorough breakdown. Appreciate you bro!!!
Means a lot!!!
Very clear and concise, honest and informative review. Thank you! Not like many biased "reviewers", like PetaPixel guys, for example, according to whom it's a rather mediocre camera lagging behind the competition which is clear falsehood. It's quite clear Canon R5 Mark II is going to be one of the best-selling cameras for wildlife, sports, weddings photographers especially, most probably even the best-selling camera of the near future.
After a long hiatus, I upgraded my old 7D to enter the mirrorless world last year with the R6m2 and I didn't think there was any way Canon could entice me to throw another 4.3K at them...but the R5m2 is going to do exactly that.
Hahaha...the R6II is great though you made a good choice
@@learningcameras for sure and it will make a great second body to compliment the R5m2. I just wasn't prepared for the sheer number of upgrades Canon was going to offer: 45MP BSI, Action Priority focusing, implementing CLog 2 (which I was convinced they'd gate to their Cinema line), full sized HDMI (which everyone else had done but thought maybe Canon had just dug in their heels here). One of my favorite lenses to use is the RF 50 1.2 but I can tell on my R6m2 the limiting factor is the sensor. I'm looking forward to seeing all the additional resolution the lens is capable of on the R5m2's sensor.
On your overheating test, do you think the fact that you set them on a ledge, and blocked the R5II's vent maybe led to the quicker overheating?
@@joewise1400 possibly but most tripods would block this partially too and both cameras were on the ledge. Panasonic did it best, they vent next to the hotshoe
@@learningcameras i said the same thing on another video. People act like you will hand hold a camera for an hour straight...
@@RayValdezPhotography Technically these cameras all warn you not to touch the camera when the overheat warning is set to high so in all of these tests, they would need to be fixed to something
I wonder if you setting it on something totally flat impacted the passive cooling since it has an intake vent on the bottom? Obviously no fan built in.
Potentially...didn't have a tripod to mount these but I feel like some tripod plates or rigs would block some of that vent anyway and the R5II has a second vent on the side that wasn't blocked
Thank you for your first impressions. Once you have the chance to do some testing I would be delighted to learn:
- Are the AF possibilities/features also 1:1 avaliable in video mode? If not which are missing?
- Is the 4k 120fps 8k downsampled, or 4K crop or 8K line-skipped/binned?
- Are 10Bit 422 codecs available with Canon colors or only in LOG formats?
- Does the electronic shutter allow exposures > 0,5 sec?
These are the main issues I have with my R5 and would like to see them solved before upgrading.
And btw. when you test overheating, give the R5 MII a chance and do not block the airflow inlet in the bottom. 🙂
So all the AF possibilities and features are available in 1:1 but 1:1 is not a true 1:1...it's still shooting a 16x9 video and just chopping off the sides so I would rather do this in post. Canon doesn't allow native multiple aspect ratios (open gate).
4k is only oversampled up to 30fps...everything else is binned or line skipped. 4k60 in the APSC crop mode is oversampled
10bit 422 is only in LOG and HDRPQ
Not sure on the slow exposures on the E shutter
Hope that helps! Yeah, didn't have tripods with me to mount them but there is also an inlet on the side and my original R5 has no inlets so still surprised it overheated faster than the R5. Also worried some tripods/rigs would block that bottom airflow inlet anyway
Full size HDMI and C- log 2!! 😍😍😍
Finally haha!
@@learningcameras 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Direct Ssd recording?? And the video centric features?? Like a shutter angle, False colour, histogram.
Can it do 4k 60 un crop ??
@@dwanelkemprai4983 No to the video centric features...Canon typically holds those back and creates a cinema version of the camera. They had the R5C which was a cinema R5 so there is a solid chance we see a cinema version of this with those video features. But you can shoot 4k60 without a crop or with a crop!
@@dwanelkemprai4983it got waveform
I have had my A7r lll for the last six years. but I was looking back at some of my images from my Canon 5Dlll witch I still own. and there is something about the colors and overall look of the images that I really like. and this R5ll has me actually considering Canon again. and I still have my Canon mount glass. so I am wondering how older glass works with the R5 ll. and some of my lenses are Tamron and Sigma. because when adapted to the Sony A7r lll they do not focus as good as native glass. and the focus points are limited and they don't video focus. but my biggest question is how does the colors of the R5 ll compare to the newer Sony cameras like the A7rV or the A1. The main reason I find myself sticking to Sony is because of all the high quality 3rd party glass.
Awesome! So I've tested EF glass adapted to my original R5 and they work extremely well with the adapter. Canon's adapter is my favorite adapter and they also have versions with built in ND which is pretty cool if you shoot video. The focus works very well although keep in mind most old lenses aren't tuned for video so they can be a bit more jumpy but Canon will focus for video. Focusing will work much better with EF adapted to the R5 than Sony's adapters.
I think Sony finally fixed color issues with the A7RV which actually has a newer color profile to the A1. I still prefer Canon's colors personally but I think it's more of a preference these days and the color issues that Sony had early on are gone so you could go either way.
@16:00 Maybe because you blocked the air intake on the bottom of the camera? Of course you set the R5II overheating tolerance limit to high?
Yes and no. There are 2 vents and this bottom vent would absolutely be blocked by any normal video tripod plate anyway. Plus both cameras were positioned the same with the original R5 having no vents so I'm sure blocking it didn't help but I can't say I like the location of the vent. I'll definitely do a real test when I get it in and actually have 2 tripods lol but this was more to compare the original r5 to the r5ii
As always Dan thanks for this useful information. Is the 4k60 on the r5 mkii fine or oversampled, or is it line skipped? I’ve watched a number of reviews, and there are considerable inconsistencies in the available reviews. I do suspect that the 4k60 is line skipped, but in your opinion, is the 4k60 on the r5 mkii viable, or is it entirely too soft/compromised. Your opinion please.
I’d love to know too
Thanks! I do not believe 4k60 has a FINE mode so it should be line skipped. That said I used it almost entirely and I thought it looked solid. I WISH we had more time with the camera. I hope Canon regrets giving us 1 day to review 2 cameras because it's almost impossible to test/verify everything in that time
Yeah, I was hoping it did, but that’s ok. The camera still looks pretty good though. As always Dan, many thanks for your efforts. 😎👍
@@learningcamerasI have to say this. I typically view TH-cam videos by the comments sections of their videos. Your comment section is probably the most supportive and informative TH-cam channel I’ve ever seen. This is awesome and you deserve praise for that.
If the Z8 didn’t exist, the R5II would have looked so much better. That Z8 reliability for video recording still amazes me, and it doesn’t even need a fan to achieve it. While those new cameras are now going spec for spec with it, the Z8 seems even more impressive LOL!
YES !!! 4 axes flip screen - It's about time they do it - also maybe a 4" inch screen
Hey Dan, could you confirm if the 8K oversampling is limited to 4K 30p only? Since this camera is able to record in 8K 60p I thought 4K 60p oversampled is a given but I saw in an article that 4K 60p on the R5 Mark II is subsampled. If so that seems to be the only drawback this camera has at this price. Its a great iteration otherwise with all the right incremental updates. Great video as always. 😊
Hey...you do get oversampling in 4k60 in the APSC crop mode but full frame 4k60 is not oversampled. The R1 which is a 6k sensor will oversample 4k60. It's more of a drawback to having a high resolution sensor...it's just too much information to oversample. The A7RV can't oversample at all in full frame but lower resolution cameras like the Canon R1, R6II, & Sony A9III can oversample 4k60 since they only have 24mp sensors. I don't know of any 45mp+ camera that can oversample 4k60 yet in full frame and it would probably overheat quickly
@@learningcameras I think the R5C could oversample in 4K 60P.. Not complaining though Canon gave us a lot.. Pre-ordered just after the release.
@@suchetdas5392 honestly 4k24 oversampled already overheats fast so running more than 2x that processing power doesn't seem possible without something being different like active cooling, bigger battery, or better processors. But the R1 can oversample 4k60 as can the cheaper R6II so I use that camera a lot
@@learningcameras Yeah, I think the running times would improve with firmware though. My friend has an R5 and it could shoot 4K 24p oversampled for an hour atleast in direct sunlight after 3 or 4 firmware updates. Btw, I think the Nikon Z8 also has 4K 60p oversampled from 8K but it overheats. Thanks for replying.😀
@@learningcameras how soon does 4k60 overheat on your R6ii?
I'm a longtime Canon user- all my high-end lenses are Canon, and I have a Canon C300, an old Canon DSLR but I've been wanting something smaller that is a hybrid for my content creation. Been leaning towards Sony A1 but these reviews of the R5 have me rethinking... if you had only Canon lenses would that sway you to go Canon R5 or stick with the instinct to go Sony A1?
Honestly I think the R5II has better hardware than the A1, better autofocus thanks to being newer, and very few negatives compared to the A1 despite being significantly cheaper. Sony did it first (by years) but the R5II is probably the better camera and I don't think paying $6000 for the A1 is worth it. I'm sure there will be an A1 mark II at some point that blows us away (although likely $6500+) but if I had to get a camera today, I'd take the R5II over the A1 and I currently have both. I think both companies make good lenses but Sony definitely has more native choices and tend to be smaller. I'm sure Canon will have more over the next year but even right now, they have all the lenses I need so just make sure the options you need are covered. I love how compact the Canon 70-200 F2.8 is and Canon has a 24-105 F2.8 which is insane
Comparison video between sony a1 vs canon r5m2 in depth
Would really like to see this as well.
My favorite channel for this kinda of stuff! For stills shooters, what do you estimate the dynamic range to be for stills? Much better than the R5?
Means a lot! I think dynamic range is going to be almost the same as the R5. Going to a stacked cmos sensor increases readout speed but does not improve dynamic range.
Great video thank you. I do have a question. I shoot wedding videos with a A7SIII. My photography camera is a A7R5 and I was wondering your thoughts on this. Do you think I could definitely use my A7R5 as a back up video camera in case my A7SIII failed/broke during a wedding video shoot?
Thanks!! So the A7RV works as a backup camera, especially for 4k24, but the issue with it is no 4k60 full frame or any higher frame rates. Also 4k24 isn't oversampling the entire sensor in full frame though, you have to use the APSC crop modes for that. But the quality is still solid in general
Can the R5II shoot bracketed exposures with the electronic shutter?
Dan, coming from a Nikon D810 and it's ridiculous DR for photos (I got spoiled), then buying a Canon R8 for video and being shocked at how good it's photo DR was compared to what I had experienced in the past with Canon, I'm wondering, were you able to push/pull shadows/highlights with your testing and how did the RAW files seem to handle it? Thanks in advance!
Hey! So you definitely got spoiled with the D810 and DR because that camera is still among the top for image quality. Canon went through a rough patch with dynamic range for a while but they are finally on the other side. They still tend to trail a bit compared to the Sony & Nikon sensors but not by enough to be a big issue. The R5II seemed to handle pushing/pulling no problem but I was mostly shooting indoors and higher ISO so not a great example. But I have used the original R5 which was great with dynamic range (though slightly behind the Sony A7RV) and I will have the R5II back in my hands this week for better dynamic range tests for a full review
@@learningcameras THANK YOU!!
Another question Dan. Why did you place the cameras down on the concrete ledge in hot 100 degree air temperature? The surface was most likely reflecting temps well above 200 degrees and weren't you blocking the vents? Confused about your testing method. Maybe have them off the concrete would be better?
Oh, and why the R5ll? Well the intake vent is on the bottom of the camera. The heat from the hot toaster concrete just shoots straight up through those bottom vents. Ya basically sat the vents on a frying pan. Heat travels from hot to cold.
Because I didn't have tripods and I had 0 time to test this so this was the best I could do in the 1 day I had. Also, if the vent is on the bottom I'm blaming Canon for that...it shouldn't be. A tripod plate would cover that up as well. Expect a better test soon. But I wasn't trying to see how fast it overheated...I didn't even put the time for that reason. I wanted to see if it was BETTER than the R5 and I think the test was suitable for that
Thank you Dan, did you notice any major improvements on the IBIS?
@@joaomarveloso1049 It does have a noticeable improvement over the original R5 but I also own the Canon R6II which also has the updated Ibis system so I'm used to it. It's not quite up to Panasonic levels of stability but it's definitely better than Sony's IBIS. If you're coming from the original R5, you would probably notice the improvement
@@learningcameras Thanks 🙂
As a running photographer I'm curious to know if there is an easy way to toggle between faces if the camera autofocuses on one runner but you want the focus to be on another runner in view
One other quick question...can you do a one-button custom white balance in video mode? Or are we still switching to photo mode, grabbing a still, then switching back and setting.
Didn't check that but during all the press conferences and presentations we got, that was never mentioned so I doubt it has changed
Great first look video, thanks for details! How is the IBIS on wide angle lenses? Does it still ‘wobble’ like the R5? Also, any display LUT support?
I did not test the wobble specifically but I did throw on my 15-35 and just checked my video and was not seeing that wobble on the ends. Definitely not conclusive though. I did not see a custom LUT option but I'll see if I can verify. You do have a standard rec709 gamma correction for the display though
Great Video! On the overheating test, the Mark ii 's heat dissipation system (without the fan grip) is from the bottom of the camera up and out the side port. So basically by setting it on the ledge of the pool, you blocked the vent and what, if any air that did move thru the camera was superheated but the concrete it was sitting on as I have shot all through Nevada and by 10 am everything is 100+ degrees just sitting in the sunlight... Do the same test only on a tripod/mini pod, etc... (I know you didn't have much time at all, so I'm not pointing a finger, just pointing out what might have happened during the quick test.) Thanks for this great first look Dan! : D
That's true but when I mount a large tripod plate and other support systems, I would likely cover up a lot of that bottom as well. But yeah, that's why I said definitely not conclusive and I didn't have tripods with me at the event to mount it, but I was still surprised it overheated faster than my R5 without a vent. But definitely will be testing when I get it back in to make sure it has improved.
Give us an R5M2 in an R1 body with global shutter and call it R5M3.
That would be R1😂 this now is more like R3mkii
you mentioned there isn’t anything that is as good at photo and video and referenced the Z8 as a possibility. What about the R5c... Maybe not quite as good on the photo side but pretty close
@@CrunchGaming the R5c was definitely priority video. The ergonomics, battery life, and menu structure are definitely video centered. I think the way I worded it is that the R5II was the best photo centric camera that was also good at video
This overview is well done, like your honesty. I have always thought Canons niche was the glass not their bodies. I have an R5 and ordered the 6am wake up call R1. I’m hoping canon announce the 200-500 in the next couple of weeks, my 100-300 is outstanding, but I still need the 500 reach
Thanks!!
all i wanna know. can you shoot 120p in CROPPED mode AND full frame, and if you can shoot in various codecs while doing so
I don't believe there is a cropped 120 mode...just full frame but I can't remember for sure. Yes, you no longer have to shoot ALL-I in 120p so it's way more useful
@@learningcameras not filming 120p with all I is worth the price alone.
@@wildwedding agree lol...120p is WAY more usable now
Not sure if I missed it being explicitly stated in the video, but I’m assuming there’s no more 30 minute record limit on the R5ii?
@@DangAlvinFilms record limit is thankfully gone!
@@learningcameras Lets go!!! I'll pick up an R5ii in 4 years when it's affordable on the used market 🤣
What setting did you have to turn off for the jumpy autofocus?
Turn off the Sports recognition autofocus. It prioritizes "action" regardless of where the autofocus point is or what your trying to focus on. It was a little too "auto" for me
So i take dog action photos all outside would the 5 II work better than the R1 or R3
Any one of those would be insane so get whichever is cheaper lol. I'd go with the R5 II but right now you can get the R3 on a massive sale
@@learningcameras Thx u!!
Thanks for the 1080 information . No one is saying that
Is the vertical light meter a new thing? 10:09 on the right of the screen
Thanks Dan for a balanced, factual initial review, as usual! Btw, I couldn’t find the link to your JPEG samples.
I still don't understand if Canon is giving us a clean 4K 60P, or is it all line skipped?
4k60 full frame is not oversampled but most cameras can't oversample 45mp at 60fps...especially without overheating quickly
Dan what camera was you filming this piece. On the f was hunting a bit?
The regular Canon R5...was surprised it was that bad too!! Hunted like crazy. I was using the new Canon RF 35mm F1.4 so maybe it was the lens but it was absolutely horrible
@@learningcameras interesting. thanks
Thank you. So, independent of price, for stills, how do you compare it to the Sony A1 that is stacked 50 Mpixel at 30 FPS? I own the current R5 and the Sony A1 and A7RV at the moment and you can get a lightly used A1 for about the same price. Really like your presentation. Take care.
@@stevenwaldstein2249 thanks! So basically this is the same speed and resolution as the A1 for $2000 less. The A7RV is amazing, I just think it's only amazing at a smaller subset of photography jobs where the R5II is good at everything
@@learningcamerasSo if you have an A1, like me, do you see any reason to consider the R5 II ?
@@stevenwaldstein2249 Not really. The A1 did what the R5 did first...it's just $2000+ more expensive. Plus there is a good chance the A1 gets updated in the next year anyway.
Hi Dan. I think I saw many other reviews show that you can record in multiple 10 bit formats that are not Log, including Canon 709 and their standard picture profiles like Neutral and Standard etc.... Is that not the case?
I didn't see anything and my spec sheet seems to suggest 10bit is in LOG and HDRPQ only
@@learningcameras Got it. Maybe I misunderstood you in the video saying that only Log could record in 10 bit, like the original R5. Thx sir!
Was the camera tempreature set to high or standard mode while you are doing overheating test?
@@sajjanreshami they were both set to high. Again, not surprising it overheated since it was 110 degrees and I was shooting oversampled 4k on a hot concrete wall but a bit surprised my original R5 didn't overheat first
@@learningcameras If you don't mind, would you please share how long does R5 mark ii actually record before overheated. On Canon R5 in your video show 8 minutes 49 seconds, does that mean the mark ii overheated before 8 minutes Or the original R5 was re-recording after the 30 minutes of time limit? I hope you will make it clear for all of us. Thank youi.
@@sajjanreshami So I have the camera coming back tomorrow so I'll be sure to do a fair test to see (very curious myself). That test was in crazy 115 degree heat and the cameras were just set on a ledge so it was mostly to see how the R5 compared to the R5II in identical tests. I'll test them in more real world examples over the next few days!
Great first look Dan! I have a question. When playing back Clog captured video, does it give you the option of a gamma support assist where you can playback the footage with a rec 709 look or something similar, or does it only playback with the log look? Thanks for all the great work!
I'm almost positive there is a gamma assist...wish I had it to verify. But I don't remember seeing custom LUTS so it would be a straight rec 709 look
Holy cow, Dan. Thanks for that over-heating test in the heat. This is the true test of the overheating, especially for event shooters. We have to be able to shoot out in 90+ weather sometimes. Not shocking this beast over-heated without active cooling but disappointing nevertheless.
Yeah, definitely not conclusive with them just sitting on a floor but I didn't have tripods and keep in mind it was 110 degrees outside lol. I was mostly curious if it outlasted my old R5 and it didn't. Some think it was because the R5II has a vent on the bottom but I feel like that could be blocked with tripods too and there is also a vent on the side where my original r5 has no vents
Hi Dan,
Which camera you would pick for wedding Videography -
Sony fx3 or canon R5ii
For videography only, I still tend to rely on the FX3 because it's more purpose built for that. But the FX3 is almost useless as a photo camera where the R5II is one of the best wedding photo cameras you can buy so for anything hybrid, I'd take the R5II in a heartbeat over the FX3
The overheading of the R5II faster: Maybe the R5 was fresh and with the R5II, you played a lot with it before you took the test with both cameras...
Hi sir can we shoot off camera flash with electronic shutter? If so what was the speed sync ?
Yes, up to 1/320 I believe and it's 1/250 in 1st curtain mechanical so not much difference
@@learningcamerasin ES is 1/160 on the R5 II
What about image noise?
Fantastic video Dan, huge fan of your work! Just a small correction that the R5 ii is marginally heavier than the R5, the weight of 656g is without card and battery.
Appreciate that! I double checked my spec sheet that I got from Canon corporate for the R5II and it says it is only 588g without a card and battery....670g with
@@learningcameras that’s so strange! Canon UK website says 656g without, 746g with, just ever so slightly different to the R5 weight. Did the camera feel lighter than the R5?
Hey Dan, can you tell us if the R5II supports Look Files as does the R5c and C70? Allowing one to use the LUTs from our C70 etc. That would be awsome.
It has a ‘custom picture’ option now that sounds like it might be what you want.
Which camera brand you favour 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
For my personal work, I've used everything but I currently shoot Sony the most for video and Canon the most for photo work. My wife is a wedding/portrait photographer and she mostly shoots Canon. But 3 years ago I shot primarily Nikon and 5 years a primarily Panasonic so like to keep it fresh lol
How high in ISO do you feel ok with for clean imagines in the m2 and the m1? For the m1, I usually stay under 2500 and shoot in c-RAW. I am really hoping for better low light performance? Are the upscaled photos very clean compared to something like TOPAZ?
Based on what I've seen, it's slightly better but not a massive difference so expect maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of a stop improvement although apparently I have a higher tolerance for noise because I have no issues using these above 6400 ISO. Noise reduction these days in LR is impressive. I haven't compared it to Topaz but I would imagine Topaz would be better, but Canon allows you to do it in camera which could be helpful in some situations
Are you shooting in mostly jpeg? I mostly use c-RAW. Thank you.
@@collinh8911 No, I only shoot in RAW like you
Any idea if you can program in user LUTs and bake in LUTs?
I'm almost positive you don't have custom LUTS. You would need to use an external monitor or wait for a R5IIC haha
How is the battery life?
Not amazing...worse than the R5 for sure and with video, I struggled to get more than 75 minutes of recording on a battery
Now i just hope canon will add clog2 and enable use of the new battery for the R5C. Clog2 to R3. I know i am dreaming, ok i will wake up lol.
CLog2 is included in both R5MkII and R1.
is the 30min limit gone
Yep!
R5mk2和R3mk2(不...是R1)發佈了, 大叔來個雲評測不?
Now let Sigma in so a 500mm F5.6 can go on this. Canon's F11 are forever a NO.
How’s it enough time to review two cameras in one day? You could barely get a feel of it. Then I stumbled across Gerald’s critique on YT reviewer culture.
That's why this isn't a full review. Personally I prioritized the R5II because yeah, 1 day was not enough. But would you rather we not make this video and you are forced to get your information from the Canon press release? I definitely would have liked more than a day but we take what we can and it's better than nothing. Once I get the camera in again, expect a full review. But this has nothing to do with Geralds video...he doesn't make real world hands on videos so of course he wouldn't like this
Dream camera for Canon users for sure.
Companies cannot copy other companies' designs. They have to buy licenses or come up with different designs that do not violate the patent protection.
@@michaels3003 assuming you are talking about a screen, there are multiple companies with 4 axis screens. And basically every camera has a 3 axis screen. Highly doubt there is a patent they can't get around on how many hinges a screen can have
@@learningcameras , unfortunately we don't know how companies make decisions. I would like to know the percentage of buyers who use this camera to make a living. Old medium format Hasselblats cost as much as a car, but professional photographers kept buying them. This is an "all around" camera that tries to please all kinds of buyers. This is why it costs "only" $4k.
No tilt screen makes this a terrible camera for Street, Landscape and Reportage Photography. I was hoping for a 4-axis screen, Canon. I own the A1 and I wanted Canon to force Sony to do better and they failed with the R1 and R5ii in a massive way all due to the flappy screen.
For what I do, a tilt screen alone is not workable. I have the A1 and never use it. I shoot cars and a low down vertical or high up vertical is mandatory and impossible with the A1. I need either a fully articulating screen or the 4 axis screen on the A7RV but a tilt only screen is unusable for me
When it comes to street I agree with you that a tilt screen is perhaps more favourable but as a person who has been taking landscapes for many years I don't see it ever being an issue. When it comes to reportage I have friends who hardly ever fiddle with the screen, they are in the habit of using the viewfinder in most cases. What you mention is a very niche case scenario. But the A7RV has the best of both worlds and is a great innovation covering all bases, I hope other companies take a hint from it.
The canon R5mk2 is the samung galaxy s24 ultra of cameras it has EVERYTHING
@@millerrd0725 it doesnt have an on-axis tilt screen for Photojournalism like the A1 & A9iii. This does nothing to bring A1 & A9iii owners over to Canon. I am not going to use a camera that forces me to look off-axis from my subject
@@millerrd0725 haha
Includes undeclared paid promotion to Soundstripe. The video should be tagged with Includes paid promotion
What??? It's declared...I checked the video settings. I also made very clear in the video that soundstripe sponsored the video. Not true. Also, I appreciate Soundstripe for actually sponsoring this video and helping me pay rent while also creating these videos because otherwise it would be impossible to deliver free content to you that took almost a week to create that required me to spend 3 unpaid days sweating in Arizona just to get access to the camera
Very informative video! I am looking forward to your final review. 👍👍
thanks!!
Still overheats with out that cooling grip
So I'm going to tamper that slightly with that it CAN overheat. I overheated mine on a 110 degree day so that's maybe a little unfair lol and I was also in a mode that oversamples from an 8k sensor which most cameras don't even have a mode that high. If you turn off oversampling, it can record without overheating most likely...although I think 110 degrees will overheat almost every camera, it's just a matter of how long.
I don’t understand getting this over the Z8. First of all, the R5 having a worse readout speed than the Z8 makes it an automatic fail for me cuz u can get the Z8 for far less money. And you have to buy canons overpriced glass on top of that.
Nikon definitely put out a winner with the Z8 and I pointed out at the end that at the Z8's sale price ok $3500, that's an insane deal. But a lot of people prefer Canon so it's their version of the Z8 and the R5II definitely has the win on AF and frame rates if you depend on either of those. Nikon's lenses are great but they are massive, heavy, and a few vital lenses are still missing so they need to do some catching up on the lens side. Opening up the mount to more 3rd party options will definitely help
R5 2 is overheated faster than R5 1? Man, that's terrible!!!
02:10 This is the reason I will never buy a Canon camera. That damn side hinged pull out, flippy, flappy, take forever screen. How many pro’s shoot themselves at a sports event or a wedding etc? This trend has been forced on us by TH-cam reviewers who want to film themselves.
Canon… it’s about time you gave us a choice and stop forcing this damn rear screen on us.
I mean, before this flip screen, the screen was literally stuck to the back of the camera which you can absolutely STILL DO! So all a flip screen did is give you the option to flip out and to protect your screen by flipping it closed. Also, a tilt only screen sounds like a decent option but tilt ONLY works if you are keeping the camera horizontal. Try shooting a vertical image low to the ground or high up in the air with a tilt screen which is a mandatory thing for us car photographers...it's impossible. So no, the flip screen is more valuable to any vertical shooting photographer than it is to youtube reviewers that want to film themselves. But I agree, the 4 axis options that have both are amazing
All the standard profiles are still 8 bit???!! My god, Canon 🤦♂
They have always done this but you definitely want to shoot LOG, RAW, or HDRPQ on most Canon cameras to get the most from them
CANON CRIPPLE HAMMER! No oversampled 4K60.
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That's not crippling. I think there is maybe 1 camera right now that can even oversample 4k60 from 8k and that camera overheats very quickly when doing it. Crippling is when Canon has the ability to do something but pulls it intentionally to save it for a higher priced item. While the R1 can oversample in 4k60, it only has a 6k 24mp sensor so it's MUCH easier to do that. Canon's R6II has oversampled 4k60 so obviously Canon doesn't cripple this ability. There are legitimate downsides to having too many pixels for video. It will actually oversample using the APSC crop mode in 4k60 and Sony's A7RV can't even shoot full frame 4k60 at all!
@@learningcameras Fair enough. However for example the sony A1 doesn't oversample it's 4k from 8k in FF mode. Yet if I remember correctly Gerald Undone stated on his review or in some comparison with that camera that the 4k quality on A1 camera is similar to the A7S3 while R5M1 LQ 4K was considerably worse than A7S3 in your review. So i guess there must be a variety of methods for aquiring a 4k image from 8k image when not doing oversampling if the results seem to vary considerably. I think the difference in A1 4K and R5M1 LQ 4K is larger than the megapixel difference between those cameras could explain if A1 is as good as a7S3. So i wonder could canon have improved their LQ 4K image from the R5 mark1 even without supersampling so that it would at least be at the A7S3 level?
@@playlistneo1584 The reason the A1 pulls that off is it has exactly 2x the pixels it needs for 4k so it can downsample with much better quality without having to oversample. The A7RV does something similar in 4k60 where it does almost a 1.3x crop to go from 61mp to around 50mp where it can do that same downsample. The R5 uses oversampling which offers more detail but takes more processing power so just a trade off.
The rolling shutter is awful, still overheats like crazy, with all that power in a small body.. Nahh
Not impressive enough, i guess ill wait for the Sony A1ii
Just curious, what feature will that give you that you don't have here and is it worth the extra $2000+ because I can't see Sony making the A1 II cheaper than the current one
All it shows to me is that the sensor technology is behind SONY sensor technology to be a technology ĺeader. Shooting A9III and A1, I am not impressed by these new cameras. No GS puts the R1 well behind the A9III.
Absolutely...Sony is a sensor company and that is showing with the crazy sensor tech they are throwing out. Sony is just overpricing their high end cameras. The R5II is now the same speed and resolution as the A1 with hardware and features that are just as good, but priced over $2000 less despite the Sony being 2+ years old! Sony knew they were ahead with stacked CMOS and now GS so they priced their cameras accordingly. Where Canon is in trouble is the R1 which I completely believe Sony will blow away with the next A1
Sonys global shutter cameras have terrible dynamic range compared to something like RED
@@TJIzzy That's not completely true. It's only below 400 ISO where Sony takes a dynamic range hit. At 400 ISO or more, it's almost identical to other cameras. So yeah, I wouldn't pick the A9III for landscape photography but sports and wildlife would often be at 400iso or more to keep shutter speeds topped off and dynamic range on the A9III is absolutely fine there
@@TJIzzy So what. Can I use it as a stills camera?
@@learningcamerastry shooting sports with the sun overhead.
Underexpose and bring up shadows in post.
It was a nightmare with the Nikon D5,it’s a nightmare with the a9III.
It is compromised, yet again Canon impose that damn side hinged flippy screen on us yet again. It’s time to give us a choice Canon!
That's not a compromise...that's personal preference. I'd prefer a flip screen any day than a tilt only screen like the Sony A1. I have to shoot vertical photographs low to the ground and at high angles for photography and tilt screens like the A1 are a no go. The new 4 axis screens are great but only Panasonic used them for years until Sony finally put it on the A7RV
I mean Canon took 5 years to update....and still cannot include a cooling system in the body ... 8k sensor without active cooling system in the body ..its surprising....That battery grip cooling looks after thought 🤔.
I am keeping my s5iix 😅 .
I actualy find that a genius solution.
First time being first for me!😉👍
Watched the video and still have no clue what you are referring to as "uncompromised" . Assuming its just clickbait because there are a ton of compromises!
Such as? It really had everything I wanted that I would expect. I guess oversampled 4k60 would be nice but no high resolution photo camera has pulled that off without overheating like crazy so I don't completely blame Canon for that