Excellent comparison, very honest and without taking sides. Though to be fair, shooting a person in an empty parking lot is about as simple of an AF case that a camera would ever encounter. I personally shoot motorsports (motorcycle racing to be specific), and that REALLY puts a workout on the AF system. Because unlike people, bikes all look completely different from one another. I owned the R6, R6ii and most recently the R3 (all with native RF lenses), and with each upgrade I saw a marked improvement in subject acquisition speed and tracking consistency (not loosing the focus as subject gets very close). I ordered the R5ii this morning and it should be getting delivered in less than 12 hours. If I see as big of an improvement as going from the R6 to R6ii, I will be ecstatic. I really don't care for the high megapixels, so I might eventually go with R1 come November if that has an even more improved AF system. Like I said, AF performance is everything in racing photography as everything happens so dang fast!
@@davidtan8984 Absolutely in-sane! Way bigger of an upgrade then I even expected. Without a doubt the single biggest improvement to AF the RF system has received to date. When I first switched to RF with the R6, I'd say about 60-70% of my shots were in focus (again, keep in mind I'm only talking about motorsport shots here), usually as the bike got closer (filling the frame), at wide open apertures the R6 would loose focus, almost always. The R6II/R3 saw a marked improvement where maybe 75-85% of shots were pin sharp but still some random focusing anomalies would occur at times. With the R5II, I don't want to go as far as saying 100% of shots are nailed, but at times it sure feels like it. Even after owning the camera for 3 months now it still amazes me when I sit down at my PC to cull through the pictures. At this point, I have zero intentions on going with the R1 as the R5II completely meets my needs. Do keep in mind that I'm using solely native RF glass (namely the RF135mm, RF70-200mm and RF100-500) with the fast linear focus motors. If you're still on EF or adapting 3rd party lenses, then I doubt you'll get perfect hit rate as those lenses' focusing motors just cannot keep the reaction time of the new cameras.
hi David thank you for your tests ! I'm looking forward to getting my r5 mkii...should arrive next Tuesday :) I hope that the improved AF combined with facial recognition will help substantially my not so fast focusing primes in sports shooting situations. ( in family pictures as well ) with the 85 1.2 for instance, if the AF starts to hunt, it's focuzilla guaranted... as I shoot sports indoors, I had lots of banding with my r6 mkii...so I had to stick with the EFC shutter...and 12 fps. it seems that the r5 mkii now offers anti flicker with the ES . 30 fps endlich !
Thank you! Finally, the autofocus comparison everyone has been waiting for! One suggestion - can you compare the tracking capabilities of unrecognized objects? For example, tracking the "ESC" key on the keyboard. Or some part of another non-human or non-animal (in general, not the one the camera is programmed to recognize) object?
Great video. The take away is R5 II can detect better when the subject is farther away. Yes, please test the Action Priority mode which can be a game changer.
My buddy and I both own the R6 II. He recently got the z6III but returned it because the autofocus was 2 steps back from the R6 II. He said it was "good" but he had to work harder to get shots in focus and just liked the reliability of the R6 II more. And for video, the z6III video files can get really noisy.
You can see a direct Nikon Z6 III and R6 II Comparison in my German Video here: th-cam.com/video/YiM8mkac6OY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8HF_gWz4LYo-HNLS&t=1267 What you say is not true, the Z6 III tracks quite a bit better and I never had any out of focus image with it in the 2,5 Months that I have it. Video in N-Log is Noisy as fuck yes, but you don't need to shoot in N-Log all the Time.
@@Tom_Demuth 75mm? Is he using 70-200mm for both lenses? I think he is using tamron for nikon which i don't recall tamron has a 70-200mm 2.8 z mount. In addition, if he is using a third party tamron lens against canon rf native lenses, it may be unfair comparison because native lense is normally better.
@@crhuynh8sorry my fault, at 70mm Sure, the objektive can do difference. For sure. Possibly also the prime lenses can force differences... But what I mean, I find it great that he has record the scene in one move. But finally, I find it impressive that ALL the cams do such a great job!
@@Tom_Demuth yes i agree. Do appreciate his side by side comparison and hard work, which it is how it got me watching as well. But in a comparison, just curious how fair it compares each other because the result can mislead if one is being better than the other one ... if you know what i mean 😅
@@davision-en It’s not, when the Canon executives were asked about the unimpressive specs of the R1 they assured everyone that every R1 owner will know why the camera is more expensive when they get it and be really happy with it. Also, one of the reviews of the non production model talked about the R1’s autofocus system being superior to the R5ii as well as the normal profile 4K video which sounds just like the R5 compared to the R3. The standard video is sharper and the low light capabilities will beat the R5ii again. Canon would be crazy to release this camera damn near Christmas if it turned out to be less impressive than the R5ii
@@janvirtanen9110 Yes but that’s definitely not all, it will be a better performer in everything except for the upped specs with megapixels and 8k 60fps but just like the R5 versus the R3, the R1’s standard video profile will be sharper and better than the R5ii, there was already a review video that confirmed this
Interesting review !!! But autofocus depends of lenses, not only of camera body)) and one more note, if focus frame keeps eye or head on screen, it doesn't mean that the focus is actually where)))
Yes thats what I said. 🤷🏽♂️ I especially said I just can test recognition of subjects nothing else is possible to compare with that much variables like different lenses on each camera.
Do you think the continous AF in photo mode is differ from video mode? I have an R6ii, in photo mode, the focus locks on to the eyes so well, but in video mode it keeps losing track of the eye from time to time.
This test shows it well. Nikon's AF is good, but the darn preview makes it look weak. There have been so many times I would think my shot would not be in focus because the box lags but the shots are perfect. But I feel you should have compared the R5II to the Z8 not the Z6III as the Z8 has a fully stacked sensor and the AF is a tad faster. I loved this video though, shows how the big 3 AF is pretty close, a win for us consumers.
The thing is that from my experience the Z6 III Autofocus is better then the Z8's. I had some pretty heavy issues with the Z8 that I didn't had with the Z6 III. Otherwise from detection they should be same. Z6 III Sensor is already pretty damn fast. :) Thanks for the kind word about the Video.
You mean with each lens. Since the accuracy can’t be determined by the camera alone and since this cameras can’t be used with the same lens it couldn’t be tested in that way unfortunately.
Also if theres some random people walking in frame would be interesting to see how well each camera focuses on intented subject. Like in street situation.
@@davision-en well atleast there needs to be method of seeing how many frames are actually in critical focus. Otherwise cant really tell how good the focus is. When using camera for still photography.
the question about hitrate doesn't make any sense, because a lot depends on the lens and the settings selected for the appropriate scenes. In the case of mirrorless cameras, you usually have +85% of hit shots. It won't help you if you have 5% more or less if you shoot a series. Nobody needs such information...
Great tests. To my eye, canon's video autofocus is too slow for fast action, like at 5:36. My canon R5 took 10 seconds to focus in video mode in low light. Can you test the r5 mk 2 in low light? Thanks!
I haven’t tested the Video Autofocus here anywhere. You can setup your Video AF how you like it, me for example set it extra slow for cinematic AF Movements
@@davision-en i have my canon r5 set to the fastest AF for video, but it still takes 10 seconds to focus in low light! thinking about upgrading to the r5 ii if its significantly faster.
Why did it focus on the background when you were out the frame? This is quite annoying when shooting BIF. This can be easily solved by software. Simply don't allow fast focus shifting beyond a certain distance.
@davision-en just keep to the distance before the loss of the subject. In the field, the subject will return back to the frame soon. And it's meaningless and wasting of time to focus on the background that is far away unless the AF system doesn't know it's the background.
Nice performance from Canon. As for comparison with different brand, I dont think that edge performance is significant in reality. You wouldnt shoot subject in 5% edge of frame anyways or keep camera on tripod without even slightest attempt to follow the subject, so less than 100% coverage is fine. Also comparing it with A1 or Z8 would be more reasonable concidering their market segments and technology. An idea for further testing - how does camera behave with multiple moving subjects? I have seen R5 and R5II compared in-field shooting birds, in that video it looked like R5II was highly successful focusing on static target, but original R5 performed better with multiple subjects and combination of moving and static subjects in the frame. R5II was too fast switching between subjects and sometimes got confused when there were some subjects in background too and started focus hunting. Original R5 held focus properly on originally focused subject.
Curious... What lens did you use for A7R5 since you use f4.0? What RF lens did you compare to? Hope you do know that different type of lens can make a big difference.
I didn’t test AF accuracy, I tested recognition like I said. The Lens doesn’t make a difference for the recognition. It’s RF 24-70/2.8 on R5 II 15-35/2.8 and 79-200/2.8 on the other Canons 20-70/F4 on SONY 28-75/2.8 G2 on Nikon
@@davision-en is sony one also third party lens because it seems like the lens you used for nikon is a third party tamron lens, which native lens is normally better Esp with Sony e mount. In addition, f2.8 is normally faster than f4 because i see a big difference between f1.4 prime and f4 zoom Esp in lower light condition
@@davision-enanyway, i want to say thank you for your hard work and side by side comparison... Since it is a comparison, just curious how fair it compares to each other because the result may mislead of thinking one being better than the other one if you know what i mean 😅... Again, thanks for sharing your video. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work! 👍🙂
@@davision-en doubtful since the Z8 has far more autofocus points and a faster sensor than the Z6III. It is also a direct competitor to the R5 II where the Z6III is almost half the price. It better be worse. 😂
@@EricDesmarais-c5iJared Polin has used both, and he says the R5mk2 AF is very much better. I fail to see why Nikon and Sony fanbois see the need to talk up their cameras in the comments for a Canon vs Canon comparison video. Insecurity?
@@nordic5490 it was a canon vs Sony and Nikon video or did you not watch it? I was simply saying he is using a lower end Nikon camera to compare to Canons. We will never know how the z8 would have handled in this comparison. Which was a super simple and easy autofocus test. I like to look at all of the brands and see what they have going on. Nikon has always lacked in Autofocus behind the other two (Sony and Canon) but the ergonomics and picture quality make up for the slight difference in autofocus. (Z9, Z8, Z6III AND ZF) the older models are hot garbage with autofocus that is.
Canon's autofocus in the past has quit working in low light where Sony autofocus continued to work. How does the R5 MkII's autofocus compare in low light?
@@destinybond cameras older than the R6II, like C200, C70, 70D, R, R5C compared to Sony a7SIII, FX3, FX6. I have not used the R6II. Have you tried shooting video in deep shade under trees or after sunset as it was getting dark and been able to keep a head in focus?
In my Experience Canons AF does way better in the Dark then SONYs. But the Cinema Cameras you Mention have a pretty bad AF over all compared to the Hybrid Bodys.
Canon has jumped ahead of the game big time. I am happy to see Nikon fighting as this is my second most respected brand for photo / video. I have not watched the video till the end, but I don’t think you mention face recognition, which works well with Canon (and not at all with Sony - - on a9III). Canon is way ahead of the game with mirrorless now on autofocus. Very impressive!
The very single reason there are mirrorless cameras with great autofocus is Sony. They were the most innovative in the last 10 years, so you should give them your credit. Otherwise you would have been still shooting with DSLRs with constant focus issues.
@@davision-en It does. I use Tamron 35-150 F2-2.8 and AF speed is a bit slower than native. Final result is what matters. Either way at 8:26 Z6III recognizes faster
Thank you very much.... Yes, the new camera is the best, it is clearly visible.... I have subscribed and am waiting for other videos... I am especially interested in Macro and 100mm Macro 2.8 with converter 1/4 ......
I didn’t test any hitrate or such thing since thats also depending on the Lenses. And since every lens on the cameras is different it couldn’t be nailed down to the cameras performance.
when did you compare z6iii and r6ii? i saw a comparison by an asian channel and the r6ii had more accurate photos, in a 20vs20 photo comparison. the r6ii AF covers the whole sensor, the nikon doesnt
@@davision-en any issues using sigma lenses with the adapter? Any pulsing or lost focus? I'll probably just go for the RF 35mm f1.4 even though it's way overpriced but I'm also interested in something like a Sigma EF 24mm f1.4. Or hopefully Canon releases an RF 24mm f1.4 soon.
I'm pretty sure thats what they do over time do improve it. But otherwise, I haven't seen a Camera doing "much" besser. There are certain hick ups here and there with every brands Animal AF.
It doesn’t! This is a recognition test and not an accuracy test. This is a native lens and from my experience testing more then 200 mirrorless lenses for different systems there is no difference in the recognition but it could be a difference in accuracy.
What is your problem with using a native tamron lens? The camera performed just as good as the R5 II with it. And like I said AF detection and recognition is not influenced by the native lens you are using. And no I can’t use a Nikon lens next time since I don’t own one and will not buy one since someone means it would make a difference even if the nike was close to perfect.
even if the r5 mark 2 has the best AF, not having quality affordable glass options is a deal breaker. Canon glass is grossly overpriced, big and heavy compared to the competition. At this point to be honest, we're splitting hairs when it comes down to AF and all cameras will get you a ton of keepers.
Sure, but what if nobody else can give me the same feeling I have shooting a Canon? I never felt more home with what I do then with my Canon Cameras. I have Top-Cameras from each Brand but Canon is what I love to use. The others are just there for testing and comparison. It's the same as with woman, not everyone has the same preferences. You can say Megan Fox is way better then Taylor Swift but maybe I will disagree since I have other taste in woman and cameras then you.
Thats not true at all, I use Canon exactly because I think SONYs Video looks soft and not crisp. The 8K Downsampling from R5, R5 C or R5 II kills every SONY in terms of 4K Quality.
@davision-en It is true! I'm watching a video right now on youTube shot on the cannon R5ii and it looks soft. I have also been on the other side of canon cameras A LOT and The videos just come out soft!
@@Pjiggyyou should always turn the sharpening off in camera, amd then apply sharpening in post as required.. Once sharpening is baked in tomthe origional footage, it is immpossible to remove. Allways a better stratey to only apply sharpening in post. Canon allows you to full disable the in camera sharpening. I suspect that Sony always applies some in camera sharpening that the user cannot turn off.
@@Pjiggy You are watching a video right now that is shot on a canon and it is crispy like I want it. Maybe you should get a little more educated on Video before making such claims.
@davision-en I have a degree in what I do, Do you have a degree in what you do? Or do you just have a TH-cam channel? I know what I'm talking about when it comes to sharpness in video. I'm watching your video and I STILL feel like it's a little soft compared to Sony's videos. I could give a damn whether you like my opinion or not, because I didn't ask you to like my Opinion!
Really interesting video 🙏🏻 Coming from the Nikon D850, looking for a mirrorless upgrade the R5 (2,5 years ago) was the only camera delivering what I needed, great overall camera, well balanced for literally 95% of all jobs with an outstanding AF still today! Nikon Z series was horrible in that respect and the Z9 announced but not available yet. I haven't regretted switching to Canon for one second ☝🏻
@@davision-enI have both cameras, R5 and Z8. I would not say any camera is better or worse. As a TH-camr, you should compare Apple to Apple and let the viewers decide which camera is better or worse.
@@highdynamicphotographyfilm2235 I tell you that from my experience the Z8 is far worse then the R5 II since I had pretty strange Backfocus Issues with the Z8 when using lenses with a thin DOF like 135/1.8 or 85/1.2 I got eye AF shown but backfocus by 30-50cm in 50% of pictures in one Shoot I did with this combinations. I never experienced anything like this before with any other brand, when canon Shows me Eye AF the AF is on the Eye. When Nikon does in the Z8 it wasn't. I don't let viewers decide, I tell them my Experiences. And I do this since a decade and make a living of it, there is no need to tell me what do to as a youtuber.
@@xdemiurge when you talk about detection and recognition, maybe they are on par. When it come to accuracy not so much like I described it in the other comment above this one here. I never had even a single Out-Of-Focus Picture with the Z6 III until now.
Sorry what? You know why the R5 II still has a Mech. Shutter? So it gets better DR then your Nikon but can also be used without ever using it. So I see the disadvantage with the Nikon not with the Canon.
I also compare a Z6 III to another 24MP Camera. Why I don't use a Z8, since I don't have one. And what is your Problem when the Nikon Z6 III is second close to the brand new canon?
@davision-en the z6iii is nikon's mid-tier 24mp camera while the canon r5 ii and sony a7rv are prosumer range 45mp cameras. you need to compare using same tier cameras = nikon z8 to sony a7rv to canon r5ii
Thats the lenses fault and the quiet low Autofocus of the lens. Thats also why I didn’t test any hitrate or such thing since thats also depending on the Lenses. And since every lens on the cameras is different it couldn’t be nailed down to the cameras performance.
New sub Sony is the clear winner set Sony to a person and let 50 people in and the Sony stays on that person closer or further Sony is king of all cameras period.in today's world 🌎 there all fantastic 👏 👍 but Sony is fantastic in many ways.
Excellent comparison, very honest and without taking sides. Though to be fair, shooting a person in an empty parking lot is about as simple of an AF case that a camera would ever encounter. I personally shoot motorsports (motorcycle racing to be specific), and that REALLY puts a workout on the AF system. Because unlike people, bikes all look completely different from one another. I owned the R6, R6ii and most recently the R3 (all with native RF lenses), and with each upgrade I saw a marked improvement in subject acquisition speed and tracking consistency (not loosing the focus as subject gets very close). I ordered the R5ii this morning and it should be getting delivered in less than 12 hours. If I see as big of an improvement as going from the R6 to R6ii, I will be ecstatic. I really don't care for the high megapixels, so I might eventually go with R1 come November if that has an even more improved AF system. Like I said, AF performance is everything in racing photography as everything happens so dang fast!
Any update? How big was the improvement?
@@davidtan8984 Absolutely in-sane! Way bigger of an upgrade then I even expected. Without a doubt the single biggest improvement to AF the RF system has received to date. When I first switched to RF with the R6, I'd say about 60-70% of my shots were in focus (again, keep in mind I'm only talking about motorsport shots here), usually as the bike got closer (filling the frame), at wide open apertures the R6 would loose focus, almost always. The R6II/R3 saw a marked improvement where maybe 75-85% of shots were pin sharp but still some random focusing anomalies would occur at times. With the R5II, I don't want to go as far as saying 100% of shots are nailed, but at times it sure feels like it. Even after owning the camera for 3 months now it still amazes me when I sit down at my PC to cull through the pictures. At this point, I have zero intentions on going with the R1 as the R5II completely meets my needs. Do keep in mind that I'm using solely native RF glass (namely the RF135mm, RF70-200mm and RF100-500) with the fast linear focus motors. If you're still on EF or adapting 3rd party lenses, then I doubt you'll get perfect hit rate as those lenses' focusing motors just cannot keep the reaction time of the new cameras.
I pick mine up the morning of the 20th. I am looking forward to the focus improvements over the R5.
hi David
thank you for your tests !
I'm looking forward to getting my r5 mkii...should arrive next Tuesday :)
I hope that the improved AF combined with facial recognition will help substantially my not so fast focusing primes in sports shooting situations. ( in family pictures as well )
with the 85 1.2 for instance, if the AF starts to hunt, it's focuzilla guaranted...
as I shoot sports indoors, I had lots of banding with my r6 mkii...so I had to stick with the EFC shutter...and 12 fps.
it seems that the r5 mkii now offers anti flicker with the ES .
30 fps endlich !
Thank you! Finally, the autofocus comparison everyone has been waiting for! One suggestion - can you compare the tracking capabilities of unrecognized objects? For example, tracking the "ESC" key on the keyboard. Or some part of another non-human or non-animal (in general, not the one the camera is programmed to recognize) object?
Great video. The take away is R5 II can detect better when the subject is farther away. Yes, please test the Action Priority mode which can be a game changer.
I already did like I said but I will test it further
My buddy and I both own the R6 II. He recently got the z6III but returned it because the autofocus was 2 steps back from the R6 II. He said it was "good" but he had to work harder to get shots in focus and just liked the reliability of the R6 II more. And for video, the z6III video files can get really noisy.
You can see a direct Nikon Z6 III and R6 II Comparison in my German Video here: th-cam.com/video/YiM8mkac6OY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8HF_gWz4LYo-HNLS&t=1267
What you say is not true, the Z6 III tracks quite a bit better and I never had any out of focus image with it in the 2,5 Months that I have it. Video in N-Log is Noisy as fuck yes, but you don't need to shoot in N-Log all the Time.
You should test how the AF works with small birds/insects jumping about among the bushes and twigs like sunbirds, crickets, bees etc😊😊😊
Right? Sony has had near perfect human eye AF for a long time. It's OTHER eyes the cameras struggle with.
R5ii grabs the eyes really fast. And stays locked. Impressive.
Thank you!
Nice AF-test. For all cams the same situation/conditions, nice job!
Type of lens he usingfor each camera can make a big difference which he didn't mention in his comparison.
@@crhuynh8Only in the comparison with the Nikon 75mm, he mentioned (08:50)
@@Tom_Demuth 75mm? Is he using 70-200mm for both lenses? I think he is using tamron for nikon which i don't recall tamron has a 70-200mm 2.8 z mount. In addition, if he is using a third party tamron lens against canon rf native lenses, it may be unfair comparison because native lense is normally better.
@@crhuynh8sorry my fault, at 70mm
Sure, the objektive can do difference. For sure. Possibly also the prime lenses can force differences...
But what I mean, I find it great that he has record the scene in one move.
But finally, I find it impressive that ALL the cams do such a great job!
@@Tom_Demuth yes i agree. Do appreciate his side by side comparison and hard work, which it is how it got me watching as well. But in a comparison, just curious how fair it compares each other because the result can mislead if one is being better than the other one ... if you know what i mean 😅
Danke, David dass Du an den Tier-AF im Video-Modus gedacht hast! Für mich top interessant! Ich freue mich auf mehr Berichte dazu!
Excellent comparison! I am encouraged by the difference between the R5 and R5ii.
Great comparison, love the side by side. Thank you!
So excited we all know Canon always saves the best for last, Can't wait to get the R1 when it finally comes out this Christmas
It is the same autofocus algorithm with less pixels to detect of. What do you expect?
@@davision-en It’s not, when the Canon executives were asked about the unimpressive specs of the R1 they assured everyone that every R1 owner will know why the camera is more expensive when they get it and be really happy with it. Also, one of the reviews of the non production model talked about the R1’s autofocus system being superior to the R5ii as well as the normal profile 4K video which sounds just like the R5 compared to the R3. The standard video is sharper and the low light capabilities will beat the R5ii again. Canon would be crazy to release this camera damn near Christmas if it turned out to be less impressive than the R5ii
@@davision-enit has cross type AF so its more accurate
So R1 will be much more accurate when doing long bursts of very fast action. So its better for sports.
@@janvirtanen9110 Yes but that’s definitely not all, it will be a better performer in everything except for the upped specs with megapixels and 8k 60fps but just like the R5 versus the R3, the R1’s standard video profile will be sharper and better than the R5ii, there was already a review video that confirmed this
Interesting review !!! But autofocus depends of lenses, not only of camera body)) and one more note, if focus frame keeps eye or head on screen, it doesn't mean that the focus is actually where)))
Yes thats what I said. 🤷🏽♂️ I especially said I just can test recognition of subjects nothing else is possible to compare with that much variables like different lenses on each camera.
Do you think the continous AF in photo mode is differ from video mode?
I have an R6ii, in photo mode, the focus locks on to the eyes so well, but in video mode it keeps losing track of the eye from time to time.
This test shows it well. Nikon's AF is good, but the darn preview makes it look weak. There have been so many times I would think my shot would not be in focus because the box lags but the shots are perfect. But I feel you should have compared the R5II to the Z8 not the Z6III as the Z8 has a fully stacked sensor and the AF is a tad faster.
I loved this video though, shows how the big 3 AF is pretty close, a win for us consumers.
The thing is that from my experience the Z6 III Autofocus is better then the Z8's. I had some pretty heavy issues with the Z8 that I didn't had with the Z6 III. Otherwise from detection they should be same. Z6 III Sensor is already pretty damn fast. :)
Thanks for the kind word about the Video.
Very well done! I enjoyed listening to your video this afternoon!!
Would be interesting to see when shooting burst what is the percentage of shots in focus with each camera.
You mean with each lens. Since the accuracy can’t be determined by the camera alone and since this cameras can’t be used with the same lens it couldn’t be tested in that way unfortunately.
Also if theres some random people walking in frame would be interesting to see how well each camera focuses on intented subject. Like in street situation.
@@davision-en well atleast there needs to be method of seeing how many frames are actually in critical focus. Otherwise cant really tell how good the focus is. When using camera for still photography.
the question about hitrate doesn't make any sense, because a lot depends on the lens and the settings selected for the appropriate scenes. In the case of mirrorless cameras, you usually have +85% of hit shots. It won't help you if you have 5% more or less if you shoot a series. Nobody needs such information...
@@RKusz "Nobody needs such information..." everybody needs that info, because the "jumping boxes" are nice, but the accuracy is what matters.
Great tests. To my eye, canon's video autofocus is too slow for fast action, like at 5:36. My canon R5 took 10 seconds to focus in video mode in low light. Can you test the r5 mk 2 in low light? Thanks!
I haven’t tested the Video Autofocus here anywhere. You can setup your Video AF how you like it, me for example set it extra slow for cinematic AF Movements
@@davision-en i have my canon r5 set to the fastest AF for video, but it still takes 10 seconds to focus in low light! thinking about upgrading to the r5 ii if its significantly faster.
Why did it focus on the background when you were out the frame?
This is quite annoying when shooting BIF.
This can be easily solved by software. Simply don't allow fast focus shifting beyond a certain distance.
Where should it focus then on the Background when nothing detectable is in frame?
@davision-en just keep to the distance before the loss of the subject. In the field, the subject will return back to the frame soon. And it's meaningless and wasting of time to focus on the background that is far away unless the AF system doesn't know it's the background.
I think it's in the setting where you can tell it to just stay in the same spot as the last movement.
Nice performance from Canon.
As for comparison with different brand, I dont think that edge performance is significant in reality. You wouldnt shoot subject in 5% edge of frame anyways or keep camera on tripod without even slightest attempt to follow the subject, so less than 100% coverage is fine. Also comparing it with A1 or Z8 would be more reasonable concidering their market segments and technology.
An idea for further testing - how does camera behave with multiple moving subjects? I have seen R5 and R5II compared in-field shooting birds, in that video it looked like R5II was highly successful focusing on static target, but original R5 performed better with multiple subjects and combination of moving and static subjects in the frame. R5II was too fast switching between subjects and sometimes got confused when there were some subjects in background too and started focus hunting. Original R5 held focus properly on originally focused subject.
Curious... What lens did you use for A7R5 since you use f4.0? What RF lens did you compare to? Hope you do know that different type of lens can make a big difference.
I didn’t test AF accuracy, I tested recognition like I said. The Lens doesn’t make a difference for the recognition.
It’s RF 24-70/2.8 on R5 II
15-35/2.8 and 79-200/2.8 on the other Canons
20-70/F4 on SONY
28-75/2.8 G2 on Nikon
@@davision-en is sony one also third party lens because it seems like the lens you used for nikon is a third party tamron lens, which native lens is normally better Esp with Sony e mount. In addition, f2.8 is normally faster than f4 because i see a big difference between f1.4 prime and f4 zoom Esp in lower light condition
@@davision-enanyway, i want to say thank you for your hard work and side by side comparison... Since it is a comparison, just curious how fair it compares to each other because the result may mislead of thinking one being better than the other one if you know what i mean 😅... Again, thanks for sharing your video. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work! 👍🙂
Great mini review.. well done can’t wait for ours to arrive 👏👏👏
Great video but Why don't you compare with the Nikon z8, it's the only direct competition
Since I don’t have a Z8 and the Z8‘s People AF was in my experience Worse then the Z6 III.
@@davision-en doubtful since the Z8 has far more autofocus points and a faster sensor than the Z6III. It is also a direct competitor to the R5 II where the Z6III is almost half the price. It better be worse. 😂
@@EricDesmarais-c5iJared Polin has used both, and he says the R5mk2 AF is very much better.
I fail to see why Nikon and Sony fanbois see the need to talk up their cameras in the comments for a Canon vs Canon comparison video.
Insecurity?
I used Z8 since it was released and the AF was not reliable. Now I'm waiting for my order of Canon R5 MK2.
@@nordic5490 it was a canon vs Sony and Nikon video or did you not watch it? I was simply saying he is using a lower end Nikon camera to compare to Canons. We will never know how the z8 would have handled in this comparison. Which was a super simple and easy autofocus test.
I like to look at all of the brands and see what they have going on. Nikon has always lacked in Autofocus behind the other two (Sony and Canon) but the ergonomics and picture quality make up for the slight difference in autofocus. (Z9, Z8, Z6III AND ZF) the older models are hot garbage with autofocus that is.
Canon's autofocus in the past has quit working in low light where Sony autofocus continued to work. How does the R5 MkII's autofocus compare in low light?
like how long ago was that? The R6II eye af in low light sticks way better than the A7iv thats why I moved to canon again.
I shoot a lot of concerts
@@destinybond cameras older than the R6II, like C200, C70, 70D, R, R5C compared to Sony a7SIII, FX3, FX6. I have not used the R6II. Have you tried shooting video in deep shade under trees or after sunset as it was getting dark and been able to keep a head in focus?
In my Experience Canons AF does way better in the Dark then SONYs. But the Cinema Cameras you Mention have a pretty bad AF over all compared to the Hybrid Bodys.
Canon has jumped ahead of the game big time. I am happy to see Nikon fighting as this is my second most respected brand for photo / video. I have not watched the video till the end, but I don’t think you mention face recognition, which works well with Canon (and not at all with Sony - - on a9III). Canon is way ahead of the game with mirrorless now on autofocus. Very impressive!
The very single reason there are mirrorless cameras with great autofocus is Sony. They were the most innovative in the last 10 years, so you should give them your credit. Otherwise you would have been still shooting with DSLRs with constant focus issues.
SONY also has Face Recognition as well but SONY switches the the assumed Eye as soon as they see a head.
So maybe if you not pick entry level camera from nikon vs R5?
You need to compare AF of other brands with similar native lenses.
The Lens doesn‘t change anything for the recognition.
@@davision-en That contradicts what you said at 8:50 😉
@@davision-en It does. I use Tamron 35-150 F2-2.8 and AF speed is a bit slower than native. Final result is what matters. Either way at 8:26 Z6III recognizes faster
@@borocotochacha I do not test AF Speed here, nor do I test accuracy here.
@@Rocky_KO Thats not wath I said there, I did talk about the slight breathing and hunting that can be caused by the lens.
What if there’s more than one person in the frame?
then you have to select who you want the focus to be on, what else? The Camera can't decide for you.
Cool thanks. Appreciate the video you make 🙏
Do we need the best autofocus or just autofocus that's good enough? I won't be upgrading my R5.
The best possible.
I think you should rephrase the question, Do I...?
Thank you very much.... Yes, the new camera is the best, it is clearly visible.... I have subscribed and am waiting for other videos... I am especially interested in Macro and 100mm Macro 2.8 with converter 1/4 ......
Nice video🎉 do you have the hit rate for each camera？
I didn’t test any hitrate or such thing since thats also depending on the Lenses. And since every lens on the cameras is different it couldn’t be nailed down to the cameras performance.
when did you compare z6iii and r6ii? i saw a comparison by an asian channel and the r6ii had more accurate photos, in a 20vs20 photo comparison. the r6ii AF covers the whole sensor, the nikon doesnt
I did on my german channel, video will come in English sooner or later as well
What camera and lens do you use for your talking head segments?
Thats shot in the R5C with SIGMAs 35/1.4 Art for EF.
@@davision-en any issues using sigma lenses with the adapter? Any pulsing or lost focus? I'll probably just go for the RF 35mm f1.4 even though it's way overpriced but I'm also interested in something like a Sigma EF 24mm f1.4. Or hopefully Canon releases an RF 24mm f1.4 soon.
What about rolling shutter?
It is a Autofocus comparison
phenomenal video dude!!
Thank you!
Does it heat up in normal use?
If you use 30 FPS Mode and Pre Burst it does
In theory, could Canon train their algorithms with different animals to improve detection over the years and update these cameras via firmware?
I'm pretty sure thats what they do over time do improve it. But otherwise, I haven't seen a Camera doing "much" besser. There are certain hick ups here and there with every brands Animal AF.
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Very informative. Thank you
Great job, thanks!
Great video
Thanks for sharing
Hope you can do another video again using nikon lens and not a third party lens. Thanks
Why? The lens doesn’t play any role in the AF recognition and the nikon was already top here.
@@davision-en it does when using a third party lens on nikon camera
It doesn’t! This is a recognition test and not an accuracy test. This is a native lens and from my experience testing more then 200 mirrorless lenses for different systems there is no difference in the recognition but it could be a difference in accuracy.
@@davision-en even if u think it’s not, hopefully u can use a nikon lens next time when u r doing a comparison brand testing. Thanks
What is your problem with using a native tamron lens? The camera performed just as good as the R5 II with it.
And like I said AF detection and recognition is not influenced by the native lens you are using. And no I can’t use a Nikon lens next time since I don’t own one and will not buy one since someone means it would make a difference even if the nike was close to perfect.
Nikon Z6iii with a tamron lens at 2500 is the winner here.
For far away yes but at close range the Z6 III Struggled way more. Loosing me while in middle of the frame and often no eye AF.
Very useful information 🎉
even if the r5 mark 2 has the best AF, not having quality affordable glass options is a deal breaker. Canon glass is grossly overpriced, big and heavy compared to the competition. At this point to be honest, we're splitting hairs when it comes down to AF and all cameras will get you a ton of keepers.
Sure, but what if nobody else can give me the same feeling I have shooting a Canon? I never felt more home with what I do then with my Canon Cameras. I have Top-Cameras from each Brand but Canon is what I love to use. The others are just there for testing and comparison. It's the same as with woman, not everyone has the same preferences. You can say Megan Fox is way better then Taylor Swift but maybe I will disagree since I have other taste in woman and cameras then you.
Please do video on R5ii vs Z8
The Z6 III has a superior Autofocus for People Photography from my experience.
My only problem with canon is their video always looks softer than Sony's. I want the crispy video!
Thats not true at all, I use Canon exactly because I think SONYs Video looks soft and not crisp. The 8K Downsampling from R5, R5 C or R5 II kills every SONY in terms of 4K Quality.
@davision-en It is true! I'm watching a video right now on youTube shot on the cannon R5ii and it looks soft. I have also been on the other side of canon cameras A LOT and The videos just come out soft!
@@Pjiggyyou should always turn the sharpening off in camera, amd then apply sharpening in post as required.. Once sharpening is baked in tomthe origional footage, it is immpossible to remove. Allways a better stratey to only apply sharpening in post.
Canon allows you to full disable the in camera sharpening.
I suspect that Sony always applies some in camera sharpening that the user cannot turn off.
@@Pjiggy You are watching a video right now that is shot on a canon and it is crispy like I want it. Maybe you should get a little more educated on Video before making such claims.
@davision-en I have a degree in what I do, Do you have a degree in what you do? Or do you just have a TH-cam channel? I know what I'm talking about when it comes to sharpness in video. I'm watching your video and I STILL feel like it's a little soft compared to Sony's videos. I could give a damn whether you like my opinion or not, because I didn't ask you to like my Opinion!
Thank you!
Really interesting video 🙏🏻
Coming from the Nikon D850, looking for a mirrorless upgrade the R5 (2,5 years ago) was the only camera delivering what I needed, great overall camera, well balanced for literally 95% of all jobs with an outstanding AF still today! Nikon Z series was horrible in that respect and the Z9 announced but not available yet.
I haven't regretted switching to Canon for one second ☝🏻
You should have compared it with Nikon Z8
No since from my experience Z8 is worse then Z6 III for people
@@davision-en with latest formware and native lenses ? Z8 is much better than Z6-3
@@davision-enI have both cameras, R5 and Z8. I would not say any camera is better or worse. As a TH-camr, you should compare Apple to Apple and let the viewers decide which camera is better or worse.
@@highdynamicphotographyfilm2235 I tell you that from my experience the Z8 is far worse then the R5 II since I had pretty strange Backfocus Issues with the Z8 when using lenses with a thin DOF like 135/1.8 or 85/1.2 I got eye AF shown but backfocus by 30-50cm in 50% of pictures in one Shoot I did with this combinations.
I never experienced anything like this before with any other brand, when canon Shows me Eye AF the AF is on the Eye. When Nikon does in the Z8 it wasn't.
I don't let viewers decide, I tell them my Experiences. And I do this since a decade and make a living of it, there is no need to tell me what do to as a youtuber.
@@xdemiurge when you talk about detection and recognition, maybe they are on par. When it come to accuracy not so much like I described it in the other comment above this one here. I never had even a single Out-Of-Focus Picture with the Z6 III until now.
My Z8 Camera of the Year is Perfect and leads the way with no Mechanical Shutter >> Canon, Sony and Fuji havent got there yet maybe Canon R5 Mk XI ???
Sorry what? You know why the R5 II still has a Mech. Shutter? So it gets better DR then your Nikon but can also be used without ever using it. So I see the disadvantage with the Nikon not with the Canon.
great job
Are r5 mark ii is good choice if have same price with lumix s5iix ?
It will never have the same price.
comparing a nikon 24mp camera to two 45mp cameras is fair? why don't you use a nikon z8 to compare - apples to apples.
I also compare a Z6 III to another 24MP Camera. Why I don't use a Z8, since I don't have one. And what is your Problem when the Nikon Z6 III is second close to the brand new canon?
@davision-en the z6iii is nikon's mid-tier 24mp camera while the canon r5 ii and sony a7rv are prosumer range 45mp cameras. you need to compare using same tier cameras = nikon z8 to sony a7rv to canon r5ii
@@BernieBautista-g8x No I don't need to do anything anybody in the Internet tells me. 😂
"not me" 🤣🤣🤣
I should do this with my Fujifilm and autofocus from 2006 😂
I love to play Wallyball! 🤣
U can also create a running channel 😂
I have a pretty good running channel. I make a living of camera youtube since 6 years.
@@davision-en how to get fit with your autofocus )
Awesome. Would be very cool to see how it tracks with a 50 at 1.2. The original R5 is good but does have some missed shots in a burst.
Thats the lenses fault and the quiet low Autofocus of the lens. Thats also why I didn’t test any hitrate or such thing since thats also depending on the Lenses. And since every lens on the cameras is different it couldn’t be nailed down to the cameras performance.
Compare them to Fuji AF....lol
New sub Sony is the clear winner set Sony to a person and let 50 people in and the Sony stays on that person closer or further Sony is king of all cameras period.in today's world 🌎 there all fantastic 👏 👍 but Sony is fantastic in many ways.
And others doesn't do that? what is new sub sony?
algo
Nikon sucks as always
Nikon sucks?! What? 😁 it's clearly better then for example the excellent R6 Mark II.
Did you saw the video?? Jesus... It was second best!!! Beats you beloved R6II.