Hi Gnosisman---yeah, I'm a psychotherapist---though I'm ending my practice in the Spring of 2010. I think your two quotations are relevant to my video---similar idea. Also, I once made up this line: "The road to heaven leads straight through hell..." all the best, Daniel
Daniel, your two parts uploaded here are undoubtedly the best overview on psychological damage and healing that I've yet come across. They make perfect sense of so much that I've been glimpsing and partially understanding for many, many years yet never entirely grasping. The symbiotic relationship between dissociation and social "normality" and beyond to faux-enlightenment, between depression and treatments that bring you back into dissociative states, and the finally transcendent route that can be discovered through genuine self-inquiry and grieving including the acceptance of anger. Somehow you've really nailed it all down. Thank you.
I am listening closely to a great many of your discussions and I am appreciative for them. The photo of yourself as a boy holding the turtle upside down is clearly an image of a wounded person who is dissociated. It is understood why you chose to present that particular photo in this video. It took courage as well as clarity to present your younger self as lacking empathy and compassion for other beings. It certainly is a powerful statement, the opening and exposing of this aspect of yourself. Thank you for sharing your work.
My half sister is totally fine. My dad divorced my mother when I was about 8 sad thing is that he actually knows nothing about me or my brother. My brother has him in his life for his son. I shut my father out because he continues to blame me and not look at his own mistakes every time I call him out on his past mistakes. He’s been in denial sense forever now lying about cheating on my mother. It’s been a blessing to know my boyfriend we don’t have to hide who we are. My dad confronts me for doing him harm yet when I confront him he lashes out. This is how it goes. Me: dad we should get together and talk about past things. Him: yes we should in person about all these texts you’ve sent me. (Sends all the hurtful text I’ve sent him). I told my boyfriend that’s who I don’t want to be like him. No thank you! So he calls me out on my stuff which I’m grateful for and blessed by. And I’m a way he does the same thing but if I see he has done nothing wrong then I let him know. He also guides me away from bizarre Christian religious teachings like how some people have devils in them known as the Jezebel spirit. Lol! Love how he can bring me back to reality.
It is sad that so few are self-actualized or working on becoming so. Our culture/society teaches us to buy escapes--cable tv, advertised foods, certain styles of clothes--to temporarily shift the focus off suffering. I believe that's why we see so much "hoarding" now. The temporary "remedy" is bought, then can't be parted with because it somehow is associated with the pain-relief that only love and nurturing could ever provide
(cont) and that definitely is not a popular thing to do. you also speak it in a way that is easy to understand and *non-judgmental* for anyone who even wants to try, which you have either learned how to do, or is a natural gift. you have done something very worthy of respect and you definitely have mine. "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" -Krishnamurti. sadly, too many people don't or WON'T see how sick our society really is. again, Thank you Daniel.
Daniel, that is absolutely beautiful on so many levels, especially your concept of enlightenment and the cessation of the unconscious. I agree. I was also thinking as I watched that, that 'a shield' against dealing with overtly destructive, hate-filled people, is thinking "THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME" - and your level of healing would be reflected by how deeply you were able to resonate with that truth ie., not get pulled into the 'dance of death' - for Life Is Love, so any interaction that isn't loving, flows out of death - death of that other person's soul/spirit/will etc., That was deep!!! I choose to dance. And I choose to dance with L†I†F†E.
Am presently hosting a nephew in mid-twenties who's the only family member with enough pain and suffering to connect with his aunt who lives across the continent in California. She (me) understands something. Daniel's videos help ME understand my young man's state and level of dissociation. Our work together is intense (I have some experience with deep work with young people) and no doubt he will return to his artificial world with more awareness than when he got here. I am grateful for the commentator David G who brought up the issue of upsidedown turtle photo. My nephew's manner with animals is, more than anything else, most painful for me, most visceral witnessing of dissociation. Requiring all my patience & compassion to address this aspect.
okay, wow. i have watched quite a few videos now and i was going to send this as a personal message, but i wanted it to be as open and visible to others as i could.THANK YOU for doing this work, for taking the risks you feel in making these videos. i assure you they are helpful *to anyone who truly wants help* and you're doing something wonderful, courageous, and *aware* that few people are ever capable of or even *think* of trying to be. you speak truth in a culture of deceit and lies.(cont)
totally agree except for the part about the subconscious mind. i'm not really a fan of freud, i'm more of a jungian. i think it's very obvious there are also many very good and positive things going on in the subconscious. it's just how the mind operates. you can't absorb all information or you would not be able to function.
Lovely! Thank you very much. About Carl Jung: I like some of his work, but I must admit that I don't know it all that well. Most of my ideas were formed before I'd read almost anything of his. But from what I've read about the "collective unconscious," I think it holds some merit. What do you think about it? all the best, Daniel
Fear stunts the growth of our soul and our mind Ripping through the darkness Threatening all of mankind With fear we play it safe, at least that's what we think But while we hide amongst the darkness All our feelings we do sink Into the depths of nowhere, no light to help us see The spark of our existence That grants us creativity With fear there comes anger, fears closest friend Anger fights the right Until the bitter end When will fear stop, it's torture and it's pain? We have to release the fear For our spark to grow again.
I was severely dissociative in my childhood and teenagers years .. starting suffering at 18 years and on..lately in my late twenties started grieving 😢
hey daniel,i'm the one you talked about as the fully dammaged, the is to be some with a right ego that you can developed or as i can say a self identity and true friends,after that i developed an understanding of the selves of others and i'm still recovering but i am recovering but it's more possible than other people i know so have confident in that. the second thing is that before i watched the interview about not forgiving,and it is true!!! sadly you wouldn't make more videos i think and it's
you are welcome. i myself don't know his work as much as i would like to but am working on it. the collective unconscious is very interesting as it consists of specific symbols, and 'archetypes' that are present in some way in societies of all kinds, even those that seem very different on the surface, yet if you look deeper you see that the symbols and 'archetypes' are often very similar. known through the unconscious of all of humanity really. (cont)
Hi Dmackler 58, Thanks for your thoughts. You mentioned about being a (psycho? )therapist . In this respect, I have a question. In the Gnostic book -The Acts of John- which is not included in the New Testament, there is a passage that says, "If thou hadst known how to suffer, thou wouldest have been able not to suffer.Learn thou to suffer, and thou shalt be able not to suffer" The above passage ties in with Carl Jung who said that "all neurosis is a substitute for legitamate suffering"
Fear stunts the growth of our soul and our mind Ripping through trauma he darkness Threatening all of mankind With fear we play it safe, at least that's what we think But while we hide amongst the darkness All our feeling do we sink Into the depths of nowhere, no light to help us see The spark of our existence The hat grants us creativity With fear there comes.anger, fears closest friend Anger fights the fight, unti the bitter end When will.fear.stops, its.torture and it's pain? We have to release the fear For.our spark to grow.again.
(cont 4) dream symbolism was so important,that it was our sub/unconscious trying to give us awareness/understanding that we would not otherwise see. the collective unconscious represents humanity as a whole and so contains 'archetypes' that are universally understood such as mother/father/hero/victim/angel/devil/etc. the ancient Roman and Grecian gods were all representative of archetypes and in comparative religion you can see them under the surface of seemingly very different religions (cont)
Jung himself said "The collective unconscious - so far as we can say anything about it at all - appears to consist of mythological motifs or primordial images, for which reason the myths of all nations are its real exponents. In fact, the whole of mythology could be taken as a sort of projection of the collective unconscious... We can therefore study the collective unconscious in two ways, either in mythology or in the analysis of the individual." i believe that what he is saying (cont)
Beautiful to see the parts of your childhood where your face says: I'm happy, I'm allowed to smile, to express myself, to make interests in my own directions... At that picture I see totally different look in the eyes - look of freedom, calmness, joy. Even in this video now, I don't see it; its still like you're hiding behind something, like you have some fearful look. But in that picture in red shirt, even its profile, those eyes are not in the fog, behind some 'walls'. Thanks. By the way, are there any moments in your videos that you're mentioning books that are helpful in self-recovery, self-awareness of healing the 'Self'? Thanks again!
(cont 2) is that there are certain symbols and 'archetypes' that are so innate to humanity that no matter where you are or how you are brought up there are certain 'primordial images' that all of humanity shares in the unconscious. He believed that they needed to be studied and integrated into our actual conscious and that the collective unconscious of all of humanity is one in and of itself and will project itself in recognizable symbols/images in any culture. (cont)
(cont again) of course i should add that we are all responsible for how the collective unconscious effects us, and how we effect it. it takes awareness, of the self, and of all that is beyond the self. the collective unconscious is the equivalent to humanity as the unconscious self is to an individual. doing enough work to be able to access our sub/unconscious layers is difficult but enlightening. i guess this is why on the level of humanity it is often associated with religion (cont)
(cont 6) As Jung said this can be on an individual level too so how we perceive ourselves also determines our own outcomes. this can be and is obviously easily influenced. archetypes and symbols are used everywhere including ads telling us what we want to eat/wear/etc. they themselves are neither good or bad but they can be used for either purpose, how we see them. individually or as a whole. though we all add to the collective. okay, nutshell there. gotta be brief or this takes over your vid.
I don’t think act out(your anger )is a bad thing. If we only work inside, we could never make the world fairer and more humane. But the point is, you should confront /revenge on the real perpetrators .you need to know the power contrast , and you need to be brave and resourceful.
I only recently discovered Daniel's videos and am trying to understand. This video on healing is useful to me but I get lost on some of the terms. Daniel says to learn to "love yourself" but I do not understand what that means. Growing up the word "love" was a negative to me and as an adult is only meaningless. If the word "love" could not be used then how do you describe the state of "loving yourself?"
Could you elaborate in another video about this "core of truth"? Is this similar to the concept of the greek "logos"? Or in Christian terms, the Holy Spirit?
oh, and by the way, i wanted to ask you, if you care to reply, what you think about Carl Jung's theories about the "collective unconscious". it is something i am quite interested in, and i would like to know your thoughts (or anyone else who cares to share them) about this theory.
I find it a liberating theory. If we can only heal if we come across a good therapist, that’s like our healing being dependent on finding a needle in a haystack. Incredibly disempowering.
(cont 3) the collective unconscious would be made up of all of that which humanity does not want to consciously deal with or cannot and as the human experience in itself at core is so closely knit, so will be the things we delegate to the unconscious, or create symbols for since we can not truly express them in a fully aware way.. symbols that speak to the mind directly bypassing our conscious ability to negate it. they are the same symbols we see in our dreams and why he also believed (cont)
(cont) however, this can go both ways. the collective unconscious if unhealthy will cause all of humanity to be unhealthy in some way that needs to be worked out through symbolism/dreams/therapy (self or not) as a whole and individually. were it to be healthy of course there is Utopia or Heaven. but if it is unhealthy you have "fallen humanity" and Hell. i believe as long as we see humanity in terms of good/evil as opposed to awareness/unawareness we will continue the 'fallen' archetype (cont)
Word to the wise - enlightenment is just another layer of dissociation. There's actually no such thing as enlightenment, at least not any more than simply going through the process of learning anew.
The only way out is through. The process of coming to know ourselves will take us to the depths of all our experiences and our reactions to them. Be well.
(cont) and spirituality though it touches every level/layer of humanity just as our own unconscious touches every layer of us. i just read what GnosisMan50 wrote and that is true of Jung. there are real reasons we suffer however if we do not learn to do it in a progressively healing way, if we do not grieve what is necessary to grieve properly it will become neurotic. this again is true not only of us, but the whole of humanity in the collective unconscious. i hope i made some sense. im no Jung!
Underneath all anger is sadness.
Hi Gnosisman---yeah, I'm a psychotherapist---though I'm ending my practice in the Spring of 2010. I think your two quotations are relevant to my video---similar idea. Also, I once made up this line: "The road to heaven leads straight through hell..."
all the best,
Daniel
Daniel, your two parts uploaded here are undoubtedly the best overview on psychological damage and healing that I've yet come across. They make perfect sense of so much that I've been glimpsing and partially understanding for many, many years yet never entirely grasping. The symbiotic relationship between dissociation and social "normality" and beyond to faux-enlightenment, between depression and treatments that bring you back into dissociative states, and the finally transcendent route that can be discovered through genuine self-inquiry and grieving including the acceptance of anger. Somehow you've really nailed it all down. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you for helping me.
I am listening closely to a great many of your discussions and I am appreciative for them. The photo of yourself as a boy holding the turtle upside down is clearly an image of a wounded person who is dissociated. It is understood why you chose to present that particular photo in this video. It took courage as well as clarity to present your younger self as lacking empathy and compassion for other beings. It certainly is a powerful statement, the opening and exposing of this aspect of yourself. Thank you for sharing your work.
what a neat guy
He’ll be a very important guy to world history one day.
My half sister is totally fine. My dad divorced my mother when I was about 8 sad thing is that he actually knows nothing about me or my brother. My brother has him in his life for his son. I shut my father out because he continues to blame me and not look at his own mistakes every time I call him out on his past mistakes. He’s been in denial sense forever now lying about cheating on my mother. It’s been a blessing to know my boyfriend we don’t have to hide who we are. My dad confronts me for doing him harm yet when I confront him he lashes out. This is how it goes.
Me: dad we should get together and talk about past things.
Him: yes we should in person about all these texts you’ve sent me.
(Sends all the hurtful text I’ve sent him).
I told my boyfriend that’s who I don’t want to be like him. No thank you! So he calls me out on my stuff which I’m grateful for and blessed by. And I’m a way he does the same thing but if I see he has done nothing wrong then I let him know. He also guides me away from bizarre Christian religious teachings like how some people have devils in them known as the Jezebel spirit. Lol! Love how he can bring me back to reality.
It is sad that so few are self-actualized or working on becoming so. Our culture/society teaches us to buy escapes--cable tv, advertised foods, certain styles of clothes--to temporarily shift the focus off suffering. I believe that's why we see so much "hoarding" now. The temporary "remedy" is bought, then can't be parted with because it somehow is associated with the pain-relief that only love and nurturing could ever provide
(cont) and that definitely is not a popular thing to do. you also speak it in a way that is easy to understand and *non-judgmental* for anyone who even wants to try, which you have either learned how to do, or is a natural gift. you have done something very worthy of respect and you definitely have mine. "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" -Krishnamurti. sadly, too many people don't or WON'T see how sick our society really is. again, Thank you Daniel.
Daniel, that is absolutely beautiful on so many levels, especially your concept of enlightenment and the cessation of the unconscious. I agree.
I was also thinking as I watched that, that 'a shield' against dealing with overtly destructive, hate-filled people, is thinking "THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME" - and your level of healing would be reflected by how deeply you were able to resonate with that truth ie., not get pulled into the 'dance of death' - for Life Is Love, so any interaction that isn't loving, flows out of death - death of that other person's soul/spirit/will etc.,
That was deep!!!
I choose to dance. And I choose to dance with L†I†F†E.
beautiful!
Am presently hosting a nephew in mid-twenties who's the only family member with enough pain and suffering to connect with his aunt who lives across the continent in California. She (me) understands something. Daniel's videos help ME understand my young man's state and level of dissociation. Our work together is intense (I have some experience with deep work with young people) and no doubt he will return to his artificial world with more awareness than when he got here.
I am grateful for the commentator David G who brought up the issue of upsidedown turtle photo. My nephew's manner with animals is, more than anything else, most painful for me, most visceral witnessing of dissociation. Requiring all my patience & compassion to address this aspect.
This is so helpful, thank you very much
okay, wow. i have watched quite a few videos now and i was going to send this as a personal message, but i wanted it to be as open and visible to others as i could.THANK YOU for doing this work, for taking the risks you feel in making these videos. i assure you they are helpful *to anyone who truly wants help* and you're doing something wonderful, courageous, and *aware* that few people are ever capable of or even *think* of trying to be. you speak truth in a culture of deceit and lies.(cont)
totally agree except for the part about the subconscious mind. i'm not really a fan of freud, i'm more of a jungian. i think it's very obvious there are also many very good and positive things going on in the subconscious. it's just how the mind operates. you can't absorb all information or you would not be able to function.
Lovely! Thank you very much. About Carl Jung: I like some of his work, but I must admit that I don't know it all that well. Most of my ideas were formed before I'd read almost anything of his. But from what I've read about the "collective unconscious," I think it holds some merit. What do you think about it? all the best, Daniel
yes, what you write makes sense. nicely expressed! thanks for sharing it --- daniel
Thank you so much for this video.
Fear stunts the growth of our soul and our mind
Ripping through the darkness
Threatening all of mankind
With fear we play it safe, at least that's what we think
But while we hide amongst the darkness
All our feelings we do sink
Into the depths of nowhere, no light to help us see
The spark of our existence
That grants us creativity
With fear there comes anger, fears closest friend
Anger fights the right
Until the bitter end
When will fear stop, it's torture and it's pain?
We have to release the fear
For our spark to grow again.
I was severely dissociative in my childhood and teenagers years .. starting suffering at 18 years and on..lately in my late twenties started grieving 😢
Thank you! Your videos are very insightful!
hey daniel,i'm the one you talked about as the fully dammaged,
the is to be some with a right ego that you can developed or as i can say a self identity and true friends,after that i developed an understanding of the selves of others and i'm still recovering but i am recovering but it's more possible than other people i know so have confident in that.
the second thing is that before i watched the interview about not forgiving,and it is true!!!
sadly you wouldn't make more videos i think and it's
you are so wise!
Yes. Purpose of life is making beauty from ashes
thank you!
And a part of you is enlightened. You left that out.
you are welcome. i myself don't know his work as much as i would like to but am working on it. the collective unconscious is very interesting as it consists of specific symbols, and 'archetypes' that are present in some way in societies of all kinds, even those that seem very different on the surface, yet if you look deeper you see that the symbols and 'archetypes' are often very similar. known through the unconscious of all of humanity really. (cont)
Hi Dmackler 58,
Thanks for your thoughts. You mentioned about being a (psycho? )therapist . In this respect, I have a question. In the Gnostic book -The Acts of John- which is not included in the New Testament, there is a passage that says,
"If thou hadst known how to suffer,
thou wouldest have been able not to suffer.Learn thou to suffer, and thou shalt be able not to suffer"
The above passage ties in with Carl Jung who said that "all neurosis is a substitute for legitamate suffering"
Fear stunts the growth of our soul and our mind
Ripping through trauma he darkness
Threatening all of mankind
With fear we play it safe, at least that's what we think
But while we hide amongst the darkness
All our feeling do we sink
Into the depths of nowhere, no light to help us see
The spark of our existence
The hat grants us creativity
With fear there comes.anger, fears closest friend
Anger fights the fight, unti the bitter end
When will.fear.stops, its.torture and it's pain?
We have to release the fear
For.our spark to grow.again.
(cont 4) dream symbolism was so important,that it was our sub/unconscious trying to give us awareness/understanding that we would not otherwise see. the collective unconscious represents humanity as a whole and so contains 'archetypes' that are universally understood such as mother/father/hero/victim/angel/devil/etc. the ancient Roman and Grecian gods were all representative of archetypes and in comparative religion you can see them under the surface of seemingly very different religions (cont)
The subconscious serves other functions besides shielding trauma. It's like a computer that allows you to run multiple programs in the background.
Jung himself said "The collective unconscious - so far as we can say anything about it at all - appears to consist of mythological motifs or primordial images, for which reason the myths of all nations are its real exponents. In fact, the whole of mythology could be taken as a sort of projection of the collective unconscious... We can therefore study the collective unconscious in two ways, either in mythology or in the analysis of the individual." i believe that what he is saying (cont)
fascinating.....
Beautiful to see the parts of your childhood where your face says: I'm happy, I'm allowed to smile, to express myself, to make interests in my own directions... At that picture I see totally different look in the eyes - look of freedom, calmness, joy. Even in this video now, I don't see it; its still like you're hiding behind something, like you have some fearful look. But in that picture in red shirt, even its profile, those eyes are not in the fog, behind some 'walls'. Thanks.
By the way, are there any moments in your videos that you're mentioning books that are helpful in self-recovery, self-awareness of healing the 'Self'? Thanks again!
Very true
(cont 2) is that there are certain symbols and 'archetypes' that are so innate to humanity that no matter where you are or how you are brought up there are certain 'primordial images' that all of humanity shares in the unconscious. He believed that they needed to be studied and integrated into our actual conscious and that the collective unconscious of all of humanity is one in and of itself and will project itself in recognizable symbols/images in any culture. (cont)
Daniel do you follow Murray Bowmen Family Theory?
(cont again) of course i should add that we are all responsible for how the collective unconscious effects us, and how we effect it. it takes awareness, of the self, and of all that is beyond the self. the collective unconscious is the equivalent to humanity as the unconscious self is to an individual. doing enough work to be able to access our sub/unconscious layers is difficult but enlightening. i guess this is why on the level of humanity it is often associated with religion (cont)
(cont 6) As Jung said this can be on an individual level too so how we perceive ourselves also determines our own outcomes. this can be and is obviously easily influenced. archetypes and symbols are used everywhere including ads telling us what we want to eat/wear/etc. they themselves are neither good or bad but they can be used for either purpose, how we see them. individually or as a whole. though we all add to the collective. okay, nutshell there. gotta be brief or this takes over your vid.
I don’t think act out(your anger )is a bad thing. If we only work inside, we could never make the world fairer and more humane. But the point is, you should confront /revenge on the real perpetrators .you need to know the power contrast , and you need to be brave and resourceful.
I don't know what you will think of this Daniel. But you sound pretty much like my coach, Lisa A. Romano author of "The Road Back to Me".
One is wallowing in your dirty diaper, one is cleaning yourself up.
I only recently discovered Daniel's videos and am trying to understand. This video on healing is useful to me but I get lost on some of the terms. Daniel says to learn to "love yourself" but I do not understand what that means. Growing up the word "love" was a negative to me and as an adult is only meaningless. If the word "love" could not be used then how do you describe the state of "loving yourself?"
Hi! Maybe this helps: th-cam.com/video/1q5MwkCAFx4/w-d-xo.html I define healthy versus unhealthy love, or at least I try to...
Could you elaborate in another video about this "core of truth"? Is this similar to the concept of the greek "logos"? Or in Christian terms, the Holy Spirit?
Now I’ve watched the second part , I realise I’m the 3rd stage
oh, and by the way, i wanted to ask you, if you care to reply, what you think about Carl Jung's theories about the "collective unconscious". it is something i am quite interested in, and i would like to know your thoughts (or anyone else who cares to share them) about this theory.
So you can do your own healing, without a therapist?
Absolutely. Watch all of Daniel’s vids.
I find it a liberating theory. If we can only heal if we come across a good therapist, that’s like our healing being dependent on finding a needle in a haystack. Incredibly disempowering.
(cont 3) the collective unconscious would be made up of all of that which humanity does not want to consciously deal with or cannot and as the human experience in itself at core is so closely knit, so will be the things we delegate to the unconscious, or create symbols for since we can not truly express them in a fully aware way.. symbols that speak to the mind directly bypassing our conscious ability to negate it. they are the same symbols we see in our dreams and why he also believed (cont)
Theyr watching you I'm sure ,I'm wandering what theyr thoughts of you are after watching you explain life on you tube .I'm referring to your parents.
if it was me, I'd try to learn and become better and keep trying to reach out in love....
Self-Restructure of schizophrenic hallucinations.
(cont) however, this can go both ways. the collective unconscious if unhealthy will cause all of humanity to be unhealthy in some way that needs to be worked out through symbolism/dreams/therapy (self or not) as a whole and individually. were it to be healthy of course there is Utopia or Heaven. but if it is unhealthy you have "fallen humanity" and Hell. i believe as long as we see humanity in terms of good/evil as opposed to awareness/unawareness we will continue the 'fallen' archetype (cont)
Word to the wise - enlightenment is just another layer of dissociation. There's actually no such thing as enlightenment, at least not any more than simply going through the process of learning anew.
Can we just connect to our selves and not have to resolve our traumas
The only way out is through. The process of coming to know ourselves will take us to the depths of all our experiences and our reactions to them. Be well.
Why wouldn't you want to resolve your trauma?
(cont) and spirituality though it touches every level/layer of humanity just as our own unconscious touches every layer of us. i just read what GnosisMan50 wrote and that is true of Jung. there are real reasons we suffer however if we do not learn to do it in a progressively healing way, if we do not grieve what is necessary to grieve properly it will become neurotic. this again is true not only of us, but the whole of humanity in the collective unconscious. i hope i made some sense. im no Jung!