As a owner of a 2018 M3 Competition and a BMW employee, I will definitely say the G80 is more of a “daily” and more comfortable. If you are looking for a more hardcore daily with raw power I would go for the DCT F80/F82/F83. The G80/G82 have plenty of power and it’s a great track car with better handling capabilities for sure. But again the F80 is gonna give you more of that “race car” feel with the DCT.
I’m in an F80, Yas Marina Blue Ike yours. I just ordered a G80 competition in Santorini Blue w/ M exhaust. I agree with all 5 of your reasons and am now thinking I’ll keep my F80 around.
I’ve had the e46,e92, f82 and G82 all are competition models and the best car for feel is the e92 2013 competition I have. The second best overall is the g82 competition. You have valid points on the transmission dct better the the zf8 speed, but technologically the g82 is so much more advanced and better build quality then the f82. I didn’t not feel like I had control of the vehicle and it almost killed me on the track couple times. I think bmw did increase the size as they have with each generation, and mostly due to safety and compliance with USA laws and other markets. Haven’t you noticed that each year the newer generation of every car is heavier, and bigger. I don’t know how they can’t go down in weight or keep it the same. The 2013 e92 comp m3 weighs 50-80lb less then the 2016 f82 m4. However they say that the best hp/Lb ratio is the f80/82 series. With all that said the new m4 csl is 3400lb. Carbon ceramics, the car in fiber and lighter glass as well as other components make the car come in with less weight. It has 550hp and we all know that’s around 530-550 whp, bc bmw lies and downplays their numbers. I opted for this eta awd g82 over a 911 turbo S bc fully speced it weighs 3780 and a turbo s weighs 3680lb. Their is a 150,000 difference in price. Fully loaded a m4 awd is 115,000 that’s without any m performance part upgrades. The 911 turbo S 992 series is 300,000. It does not feel like it is worth it. You can get a fully loaded m4, and a m4 csl, and have money for taxes and mods left over then getting the turbo s. The point I’m getting at is I have taken the 911 turbo S 991.2 to the limits and it is an amazing car, that feels secure, but the new one is heavier by 200lb just like the new g80/ g82 are as well. 6spd g82 weighs 3670lb and comp with Rwd is 3700, the x drive is 3780. Yet all the issues with the f series have been resolved. The car feels more rigid and planted and finally has 6 piston rotors when amg had been doing that for years. Maybe drive a g80 and see how it feels, before judging it. Because just like you, I thought it wasn’t as pretty, ugly grill, heavier, No dct, and too big. After driving it , my mind changed so much I bought one. Now thinking of getting another.
Your opinion which is cool. However look into Design Monkey, Donut and at least one other channel breaks out how unequal the lines are and other flaws in the design. The G80 is definitely more polarizing.
comfort and tech wise its no doubt, but once on the track if f80 is same power even w/o modding suspension, g80 isn't going anywhere and its extra weight disadvantage will start to come out
Having owned both cars, I'd say I loved the look of the F80 a lot more. DCT was very special and gave you a nice jolt with every shift. F80 was a lot more erratic and you had to really watch how far you pushed the car because it could end up on top of a tree. G80 xDrive is a lot more civilized. Feels more comfortable, and you could launch with far less effort. The look of the car has really grown on me, and I get a lot of compliments on it. If I had to pick one, I'd pick the G80 mainly because of the xDrive.
i own a manual g80 isle of man green with sunroof and normal seats it's lovely mate. i will give it a 9.5/10 my previous car was a 2015 m4 Dct also very very good car overall score 7.8/10
I own both a F82 and a G80 Comp. F82 gives you that raw power especially with the DCT. The G80s power is more linear and less raw with the ZF, but the G80 outperforms the F8X in everything. Tune for Tune, the G80 destroys the F8X. Love both cars.
You do have a point, as far as looks are concerned. The f80 m3 looks way better in the front than the g80. Yeah, it's warming up to me now , but the truth is the truth. Thanks for the comparison.
That’s too bad Evan 😎 I choose the G80 😈 Lovely F80 though! We’ll link up once I take delivery of it 👌🏼 Hits the port August 25th after waiting about 5 months! Should take delivery about a week later after it gets its PPF/Ceramic treatment. Oh and it’s the lovely IOMG/KO Spec in a 6MT of course 💚🧡💙
No, no thanks...I traded my f80 for a g80...and I now love the big grills. You do not feel the extra weight, and all other aspects the g80 iS a much, much better driving car. Unless you have owned both, you are talking out of your A../
I'm chinese, having a big grill is not a thing here, we all find the G80 disgusting, don't let media fool you, big grills on chinese made knock off cars, sure, on a proper BMW? hell no
Not only is the f80 a better looking car it certainly will hold its value over the g80! yes the g80 is quick reliable (so far) I’ve had my f80 4 years daily driver mods does 190mph bullet proof tbh won’t be buying the new one that’s for sure.
1. I love not being able to get traction. 2. I love other slower cars being faster than me because I can’t get the power down. 3. I love spending money on new tires because I keep shredding my old ones. 4. I love a car that can NEVER fulfil its potential. 5. Older, slower cars with dates interiors are much better. Sorry for the sarcasm but the G80 x drive is leaps and bounds ahead of the f80. The g80 is a TRUE m3 because it Leads the class and all others on performance like a true m3 should! Where the f80 was quick but due to it being an able to put the power down it was the leader in nothing, and therefore was not worthy of the m3 badge. My friends stage 1 golf r could keep up with me. Hardly the envy and bench mark for all other performance cars like the history of all other m3’s
The LCI competition model has a different power curve. My F80 puts power down and would smoke a Golf R. Also it’s not all about straight line performance on a circuit it’s a an animal. 7:50 Nurburgring ring time is not worthy? That was the fastest M3 at the time. The competition model does it a little faster and the CS was 7:39 i believe. I didn’t compare at the time the x drive it wasn’t out yet.
Go plaid! Just kidding unless you roll that deep. I’m not sure what is next for me. I doubt I’d go electric because of the inability to drive hours at time on country back roads. I’d love a Porsche but it’s not in my 5 year plan.
@@AttheApex Id love to get the plaid but it’s a bit too rich. I was eyeing the 992 Carrera S 7mt but plaid would kill it. Plus electricity is much cheaper and there are superchargers all over SoCal.
Regardless of the looks (which I actually think the G80 looks a lot better than the F80), having owned 2 F80s including an M3 CS, I can relate the G80 is night and day better in almost every aspect. I was disappointed in the F80 overall - steering dead spot, spongey breaks, its inability to put power down, mediocre exhaust note, the jerky DCT gear box in low speed everyday driving situations, etc. The G80 solves most of these problems, is faster and feels just as big/heavy as the f80 and in general the G80 is much more well put together/higher quality compared to the f80... So if you want a return to the old m3s in terms of size and feel, get an M2 comp or CS over the f80 and if you don't want to spend too much money get the slower but better e92 M3 over the f80.
@@AttheApex Sure, so just left/right of center (prob 1 inch) there is a lot of allowable steering input that affects very little movement of the actual car (Motortrend actually talks about this in their in class comparison vid). The comp and CS corrected for this a bit but the general lack of steering feel was still prevalent in my CS unfortunately... Im surprised you feel that way about the F80 being able to put the power down. Its one of the main criticisms from f80 owners and the first thing most of the G80 reviewers discuss saying that the G80 can actually put the power down unlike the F80. Don't get me wrong tho, it was fun to get the tail out in my F80s but most of the time you just want a car that hooks up well and the F80 just didn't do it. It was frustrating getting beat off the line by cars that cost half with half the hp... For the brake feel, I may be being a bit harsh on this aspect but it felt more like my Audi s5 brakes rather than my 991 911 brakes and I get that the 911 costs double but for a M performance car, I wanted it to feel closer to the 911 in terms of brake bite and feel.... I love M3s and have owned 4 in my lifetime but the f80 just wan't that good - there are a lot of inexcusable problems. I did love that it was the only car in its class that offered a manual (which was super fun) but I got rid of it for a CS less than a year in thinking the CS would correct all the other problems that it had. And even though the CS was an epic canyon carver it still failed to correct some of the f80 problems... as such, if you're not looking to get a G80/G82, I would definitely recommend an M2 comp over an f80/f82 M3/M4.
@@js002003 steering was a concern of mine. I went with the Competition for the better steering input/feel. Putting power off the line is not really a concern of mine. I drive on country/mountain roads and tracks. I think you understating it’s launching ability.
@@mushy1983123 I didn’t realize your reference was xDrive. That’s a game changer. It’s cool they offer it. Very handy if you want best launching and to drive safely in all climates. Did you see the throttle house test vs RWD?
I’d take an E9X over either one but like It or not each generation is technically superior to the previous one. If you want the crazy fast high torque turbo M3 experience you may as well skip over the F80.
Had f80 now I own g80 …… g80 is far more superior in every aspect, I will take the zf8 over DCT anyday ……when you buy the g80 that’s when you gonna realize .
@@AttheApex Have you already been driving the M3/M4 CS? If yes, whats your conclusion regarding the additional price? I‘m considering buying an F80 M3 CS, but they are rare and I haven’t been able to drive one yet
It's your obvious choice but that bigger grill is grown on you because it's grown in size literally and so for that reason grown on everyone, those grills are fire and going back to those wittle baby grills nahh not having it, so people get use to those grills because that's the future and they look way better than those little ass grills that the car barely gets cooled off with them so big grills people support them so they can come up with newer styles and modifications for those grills.
Dct Better design (wayyyyy better design) Lighter More performance than youll ever need in the f8x More analog things like the dash (digital gets outdated extremely fast) That grill though is absolutely disgusting. That cant be fixed. The csl lightly fixed with the shape and hood indents (continuing the length into the hood).
@@AttheApex haha I don't. I'm not targeting you specifically. A lot of the times though some people try to justify not being able to move on to the new car as previous car being superior. The only thing I like about f80 over g80 is the dct and the look. Everything else has been hugely improved on the g80.
As a owner of a 2018 M3 Competition and a BMW employee, I will definitely say the G80 is more of a “daily” and more comfortable. If you are looking for a more hardcore daily with raw power I would go for the DCT F80/F82/F83. The G80/G82 have plenty of power and it’s a great track car with better handling capabilities for sure. But again the F80 is gonna give you more of that “race car” feel with the DCT.
Exactly! It’s crazy how many F80 owners commented your thoughts on the F80 Facebook group. Glad you mentioned it here.
G80 doesn’t have the crank hub issues though.
I’m in an F80, Yas Marina Blue Ike yours. I just ordered a G80 competition in Santorini Blue w/ M exhaust. I agree with all 5 of your reasons and am now thinking I’ll keep my F80 around.
A few people have both on IG, check out luckym3girl. I don’t know anyone who personally kept the F80.
I’ve had the e46,e92, f82 and G82 all are competition models and the best car for feel is the e92 2013 competition I have. The second best overall is the g82 competition. You have valid points on the transmission dct better the the zf8 speed, but technologically the g82 is so much more advanced and better build quality then the f82. I didn’t not feel like I had control of the vehicle and it almost killed me on the track couple times. I think bmw did increase the size as they have with each generation, and mostly due to safety and compliance with USA laws and other markets. Haven’t you noticed that each year the newer generation of every car is heavier, and bigger. I don’t know how they can’t go down in weight or keep it the same. The 2013 e92 comp m3 weighs 50-80lb less then the 2016 f82 m4. However they say that the best hp/Lb ratio is the f80/82 series. With all that said the new m4 csl is 3400lb. Carbon ceramics, the car in fiber and lighter glass as well as other components make the car come in with less weight. It has 550hp and we all know that’s around 530-550 whp, bc bmw lies and downplays their numbers. I opted for this eta awd g82 over a 911 turbo S bc fully speced it weighs 3780 and a turbo s weighs 3680lb. Their is a 150,000 difference in price. Fully loaded a m4 awd is 115,000 that’s without any m performance part upgrades. The 911 turbo S 992 series is 300,000. It does not feel like it is worth it. You can get a fully loaded m4, and a m4 csl, and have money for taxes and mods left over then getting the turbo s. The point I’m getting at is I have taken the 911 turbo S 991.2 to the limits and it is an amazing car, that feels secure, but the new one is heavier by 200lb just like the new g80/ g82 are as well. 6spd g82 weighs 3670lb and comp with Rwd is 3700, the x drive is 3780. Yet all the issues with the f series have been resolved. The car feels more rigid and planted and finally has 6 piston rotors when amg had been doing that for years. Maybe drive a g80 and see how it feels, before judging it. Because just like you, I thought it wasn’t as pretty, ugly grill, heavier, No dct, and too big. After driving it , my mind changed so much I bought one. Now thinking of getting another.
F80 looks better - love my my f80 2018 competition -
Not really
@@nubtubbert it's all subjective but design standards considered, your opinion is wrong lol
Facts❤
The g80 looks awesome in person. Side by side it makes the f80 look downright plain and boring.
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Your opinion which is cool. However look into Design Monkey, Donut and at least one other channel breaks out how unequal the lines are and other flaws in the design. The G80 is definitely more polarizing.
@@ShhEchoes not cap
Coming from f80 , g80 is next lvl more comfort , more performance , much stiffer and I don’t feel the extra weight
That’s fair. It’s more HP, more performance capable.
comfort and tech wise its no doubt, but once on the track if f80 is same power even w/o modding suspension, g80 isn't going anywhere and its extra weight disadvantage will start to come out
Ya f80 was too jumpy diff needs to be more planted
Having owned both cars, I'd say I loved the look of the F80 a lot more. DCT was very special and gave you a nice jolt with every shift. F80 was a lot more erratic and you had to really watch how far you pushed the car because it could end up on top of a tree. G80 xDrive is a lot more civilized. Feels more comfortable, and you could launch with far less effort. The look of the car has really grown on me, and I get a lot of compliments on it. If I had to pick one, I'd pick the G80 mainly because of the xDrive.
💯agree with you comment
i own a manual g80 isle of man green with sunroof and normal seats it's lovely mate. i will give it a 9.5/10 my previous car was a 2015 m4 Dct also very very good car overall score 7.8/10
I own both a F82 and a G80 Comp. F82 gives you that raw power especially with the DCT. The G80s power is more linear and less raw with the ZF, but the G80 outperforms the F8X in everything. Tune for Tune, the G80 destroys the F8X. Love both cars.
You do have a point, as far as looks are concerned. The f80 m3 looks way better in the front than the g80. Yeah, it's warming up to me now , but the truth is the truth. Thanks for the comparison.
I’m from China and I HATE big grills
Keeping my F80. Great for the canyons. It's all preference too. The G80 is a great all arounder, but still a boat😂, but is potentially faster.
love all your comparison videos on why you choose this m3 over others! great job!
Thank you! I appreciate it.
That’s too bad Evan 😎 I choose the G80 😈 Lovely F80 though! We’ll link up once I take delivery of it 👌🏼 Hits the port August 25th after waiting about 5 months! Should take delivery about a week later after it gets its PPF/Ceramic treatment. Oh and it’s the lovely IOMG/KO Spec in a 6MT of course 💚🧡💙
Amen, I can't wait to see it.
Driving both F82 and G82... The g82 is much more refined and better
Spot on.
Thank you!
F82 all day !
No, no thanks...I traded my f80 for a g80...and I now love the big grills. You do not feel the extra weight, and all other aspects the g80 iS a much, much better driving car. Unless you have owned both, you are talking out of your A../
I'm chinese, having a big grill is not a thing here, we all find the G80 disgusting, don't let media fool you, big grills on chinese made knock off cars, sure, on a proper BMW? hell no
Thanks for the insight.
Not only is the f80 a better looking car it certainly will hold its value over the g80! yes the g80 is quick reliable (so far) I’ve had my f80 4 years daily driver mods does 190mph bullet proof tbh won’t be buying the new one that’s for sure.
1. I love not being able to get traction.
2. I love other slower cars being faster than me because I can’t get the power down.
3. I love spending money on new tires because I keep shredding my old ones.
4. I love a car that can NEVER fulfil its potential.
5. Older, slower cars with dates interiors are much better.
Sorry for the sarcasm but the G80 x drive is leaps and bounds ahead of the f80. The g80 is a TRUE m3 because it Leads the class and all others on performance like a true m3 should! Where the f80 was quick but due to it being an able to put the power down it was the leader in nothing, and therefore was not worthy of the m3 badge.
My friends stage 1 golf r could keep up with me. Hardly the envy and bench mark for all other performance cars like the history of all other m3’s
The LCI competition model has a different power curve. My F80 puts power down and would smoke a Golf R. Also it’s not all about straight line performance on a circuit it’s a an animal. 7:50 Nurburgring ring time is not worthy? That was the fastest M3 at the time. The competition model does it a little faster and the CS was 7:39 i believe. I didn’t compare at the time the x drive it wasn’t out yet.
Yes but the G80 looks hideous.
I think the f80 is a more defined look consistent with the distinctive M look.
I can’t stand the looks of the g8x. Keeping my f80 6mt. Next car likely a Model S LR.
Go plaid! Just kidding unless you roll that deep. I’m not sure what is next for me. I doubt I’d go electric because of the inability to drive hours at time on country back roads. I’d love a Porsche but it’s not in my 5 year plan.
@@AttheApex Id love to get the plaid but it’s a bit too rich. I was eyeing the 992 Carrera S 7mt but plaid would kill it. Plus electricity is much cheaper and there are superchargers all over SoCal.
Regardless of the looks (which I actually think the G80 looks a lot better than the F80), having owned 2 F80s including an M3 CS, I can relate the G80 is night and day better in almost every aspect. I was disappointed in the F80 overall - steering dead spot, spongey breaks, its inability to put power down, mediocre exhaust note, the jerky DCT gear box in low speed everyday driving situations, etc. The G80 solves most of these problems, is faster and feels just as big/heavy as the f80 and in general the G80 is much more well put together/higher quality compared to the f80... So if you want a return to the old m3s in terms of size and feel, get an M2 comp or CS over the f80 and if you don't want to spend too much money get the slower but better e92 M3 over the f80.
I disagree with inability to put down power and spongey brakes. Steering dead spot care to expand on what you mean?
@@AttheApex Sure, so just left/right of center (prob 1 inch) there is a lot of allowable steering input that affects very little movement of the actual car (Motortrend actually talks about this in their in class comparison vid). The comp and CS corrected for this a bit but the general lack of steering feel was still prevalent in my CS unfortunately... Im surprised you feel that way about the F80 being able to put the power down. Its one of the main criticisms from f80 owners and the first thing most of the G80 reviewers discuss saying that the G80 can actually put the power down unlike the F80. Don't get me wrong tho, it was fun to get the tail out in my F80s but most of the time you just want a car that hooks up well and the F80 just didn't do it. It was frustrating getting beat off the line by cars that cost half with half the hp... For the brake feel, I may be being a bit harsh on this aspect but it felt more like my Audi s5 brakes rather than my 991 911 brakes and I get that the 911 costs double but for a M performance car, I wanted it to feel closer to the 911 in terms of brake bite and feel.... I love M3s and have owned 4 in my lifetime but the f80 just wan't that good - there are a lot of inexcusable problems. I did love that it was the only car in its class that offered a manual (which was super fun) but I got rid of it for a CS less than a year in thinking the CS would correct all the other problems that it had. And even though the CS was an epic canyon carver it still failed to correct some of the f80 problems... as such, if you're not looking to get a G80/G82, I would definitely recommend an M2 comp over an f80/f82 M3/M4.
@@js002003 steering was a concern of mine. I went with the Competition for the better steering input/feel. Putting power off the line is not really a concern of mine. I drive on country/mountain roads and tracks. I think you understating it’s launching ability.
Completely disagree ! I had the F80 and this generation is an improvement overall. Transmission is perfect ! Fast and smooth. DCT clunk isn’t better.
YMB FTW! Love the channel, I film similar content, you have a new sub 🙋♂️
Sweet dude, your videos are great. Love the F80 content. I subbed too.
After owning both there is no way in hell I would choose a F80 over a G80..The G80 is WAYYYYY better in every aspects. This is laughable..
How could u choose f80 over g80 I own a f80 I'd choice g80 all day everyday u get more car
How much more car do you need? That’s what the M5 was for. It’s hard to use all the F80 HP on roads and track.
@@AttheApex u can't go wrong with xdrive g80 best of both worlds
@@mushy1983123 I didn’t realize your reference was xDrive. That’s a game changer. It’s cool they offer it. Very handy if you want best launching and to drive safely in all climates. Did you see the throttle house test vs RWD?
@@AttheApex nah didn't see the throttle house test might have to check it out
G80 ia way better looking fhan f80 except the grills. interior ? G80 is the winner for sure
The G80 interior is better. I prefer the analog gauges.
The m4 looks like shit
I’d take an E9X over either one but like It or not each generation is technically superior to the previous one. If you want the crazy fast high torque turbo M3 experience you may as well skip over the F80.
F80
Had f80 now I own g80 …… g80 is far more superior in every aspect, I will take the zf8 over DCT anyday ……when you buy the g80 that’s when you gonna realize .
DCT>>>TC
You forgot the most important reason to choose the F80. The sound
I am mixed on it. I love the cold start and when it rips hard. The regular driving sound is ok.
@@AttheApexI agree, but don‘t you think it‘s still way better than the G80‘s sound?
Definitely better!
@@AttheApex Have you already been driving the M3/M4 CS? If yes, whats your conclusion regarding the additional price? I‘m considering buying an F80 M3 CS, but they are rare and I haven’t been able to drive one yet
I never drove one. I see a few for sale in the NY/NJ area. @@TheKeev90
It's your obvious choice but that bigger grill is grown on you because it's grown in size literally and so for that reason grown on everyone, those grills are fire and going back to those wittle baby grills nahh not having it, so people get use to those grills because that's the future and they look way better than those little ass grills that the car barely gets cooled off with them so big grills people support them so they can come up with newer styles and modifications for those grills.
A grill size between the F80 and G80 would be fine but the current G80's look hideous.
I love my G80 best purchase i ever made, the f80 is cool but deff not on G80 level
Dct
Better design (wayyyyy better design)
Lighter
More performance than youll ever need in the f8x
More analog things like the dash (digital gets outdated extremely fast)
That grill though is absolutely disgusting. That cant be fixed. The csl lightly fixed with the shape and hood indents (continuing the length into the hood).
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G80 with xdrive that's whole new lewel
Off the line for sure. I love the video that Throttle House did to show it.
@@AttheApex of the line and everything. S58 is so much beter engine and 8hp ❤️, limitless tuning potential, interior...
#1 reason: cant afford the new car.
How do you know what I can and can’t afford? 😃
@@AttheApex haha I don't. I'm not targeting you specifically. A lot of the times though some people try to justify not being able to move on to the new car as previous car being superior. The only thing I like about f80 over g80 is the dct and the look. Everything else has been hugely improved on the g80.
@@chanhyung88 i can afford the G82, but I'm keeping the F82.
@@chanhyung88it's a valid point. I can't afford the G80 but even if I could I wouldn't buy it due to its look, I would buy a used M5 Competition.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong 😅
hell nah you are wrong F80 is slower, interior outdated, and doesn't look modern
The exterior still looks good today. It's a timeless design.
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