The BEST Chaos Space Marine Units & Tournament Lists for 10th Edition Warhammer 40k
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Today we'll be going through all of what I consider the best Chaos Space Marine units, along with any of the Legions or combos they work particularly well with. I've also put together a few competitive / tournament army lists so you guys can see what's currently winning the most in 10th edition wh40k
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The new CSM Codex has already hit 10th edition like a storm, now it's time to go through each of the datasheets to pick out which ones are the best, for what's arguably currently the best army in Warhammer 40k.
Whether you're going to RTT's / GT's or Majors & mainly play competitively, or you just want to have some fun with the friends with some casual garagehammer, this army review should give you some pointers on the top units & options to pick from.
What's beautiful about our new book is just how many GREAT options we have access to. I'd be hard pressed to pick out a bad unit profile (ok, aside from Chaos Spawn lol) & to top it off we have *EIGHT* different legions to pick from, all with their own powerful combos & strengths.
Are you a Daemon Engine fanatic like myself? Soulforged Warpack. Maybe you like to roleplay as a space pirate from time to time? Renegade Raiders (Red Corsairs). Perhaps you're all about Warhammer 40k's excellent lore? Pactbound Zealots (Word Bearers) it is! Do you like the plodding destruction? Fellhammer Siege Host (Iron Warriors)! On & on it goes with barely any duds in the entire codex.
This channel is all about spreading info on how to improve at 40k so don't hesitate to reach out with any questions you have along the way. If you think I missed a good unit or combo, let us know!
The channel's already expanded far beyond what I thought would ever be possible but I'm hoping to expand further as we go along. Whether it's 40k Battle Report's, going over some of the background lore for Horus Heresy / Warhammer, tier lists etc, I'd love to be on the same level as Auspex Tactics or Tabletop Titans etc one day.
Checkout some of my backlog for more info on Chaos tactics as well as general tactics, 40k strategy & new player guides as well
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*CHAOS SPACE MARINE ARMY LISTS:*
Army List 1 - Trimble's Renegade Raiders 2k List (5W-0L):
Abaddon the Despoiler
Chaos Lord
Master of Executions w/Mark of the Hound
Master of Executions
Cultists Mob
Legionaries x10
Legionaries
Legionaries
Chosen x10
Warp Talons x10
Warp Talons x10
Venomcrawler
Venomcrawler
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Rhino
Army List 2 - James Carmona's Pactbound Zealots 2k List (5W-0L):
Chaos Lord (Slaanesh)
Chaos Lord (Slaanesh)
Legionaries (Slaanesh)
Legionaries (Slaanesh)
Accursed Cultists (Nurgle)
Accursed Cultists (Slaanesh)
Accursed Cultists (Slaanesh)
Warp Talons x10 (Nurgle)
Warp Talons x10 (Slaanesh)
Helbrute (Nurgle)
Chaos Predator Destructor (Nurgle)
Chaos Predator Destructor (Nurgle)
Forgefiend (Nurgle)
Forgefiend (Nurgle)
Chaos Rhino (Slaanesh)
Chaos Rhino (Slaanesh)
Nurglings
Army List 3 - Matt Robertson's Soulforged Warpack Army List
Warpsmith w/Temping Addendum
Warpsmith
Cultists Mob
Raptors
Warp Talons x10
Predator Destructor
Predator Destructor
Forgefiend
Forgefiend
Forgefiend
Maulerfiend
Venomcrawler
Venomcrawler
Venomcrawler
Nurglings
Nurglings
Nurglings
CSM Army List 4 - Ben Isenhoff's Renegade Raiders 2000pt (4W-1L)
Vahstorr the Arkifane
Master of Executions
Chaos Lord
Cultist Mob
Cultist Mob
Cultist Mob
Legionaries
Legionaries
Legionaries
Legionaries
Legionaries
Havocs
Rubric Marines w/Warpflamers
Chaos Bikers
Warp Talons
Warp Talons
Predator Destructor
Predator Destructor
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Rhino
Chaos Rhino
Nurglings
Nurglings
Find out more about the lists at 40kstats.goonhammer.com/
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:30 INFANTRY
01:36 Cultist Mob
03:39 Accursed Cultists
05:41 Legionaries
08:03 Chosen
10:21 Possessed
12:24 Havocs
13:51 Raptors
16:54 Warp Talons are best
19:09 Chaos Bikers
20:25 VEHICLES
20:33 Chaos Rhino
21:52 Predator Destructor
23:08 Chaos Vindicator
25:12 Venomcrawler
27:12 Helbrute
29:20 Maulerfiend
31:37 Forgefiend
33:30 CHARACTERS
33:40 Abaddon the Despoiler
37:10 Vashtorr the Arkifane
39:56 Fabius Bile
42:48 Chaos Lord
44:48 Master of Executions
47:02 Terminator Sorcerer
49:55 Dark Commune
51:37 Warpsmith is chad
54:01 HONORABLE MENTIONS
54:18 Defiler
55:05 Rubric Marines
55:50 Daemon Prince
56:53 Lord Discordant
58:47 Lucius the Eternal
59:49 Huron Blackheart
01:00:45 TOURNAMENT LISTS
01:00:57 Renegade Raiders
01:02:35 Pactbound Zealots
01:04:57 Soulforged Warpack
01:06:31 Renegade Raiders (2)
01:07:55 Recap & Outro
Appreciate you guys!! - เกม
CSM genuinely have such a great book when you think about it, not just from all the detachments but the fact that like 90%+ of our unit profiles are at the very least serviceable & no matter what *FUN*. Aside from Chaos Spawn & the Heldrake (RIP) it's hard to point out any units that are just downright terrible. That said I'd be very curious if you guys think I missed any hidden gems or if I overrated a particular profile - lemme know what you guys think!
Also: Gotta give a shout out to my newest members, Sellers & Timothy! Appreciate the support, it's awesome to know ya'll are getting a kick out of all these
As a brand new csm player, THANK YOU so much, your making life so much easier!
Woot, you're exactly the kind of player this is made for!! Glad this made it your way & tyvm for the comment :)
Ditto, this guys videos are gold.
A squad of Havocs with nothing but Reaper Chaincannons is nuts. That's 32 attacks at STR 5, hitting on 3+. If you're using Renegade Raiders, you get +1 AP to enemies on Objectives, and can shoot even after Advancing.
Oh yeah, and that's BEFORE you give them Sustained or Lethal from Dark Pacts.
Most people know it but another clever use is for those rare cases when you have 6" tall Ruins in your DZ. Means you can get an *additional* +1AP from the Plunging Fire. Toss in a Termie Sorc with Red Corsairs & you're up to AP3 on a 120pt blender!
On the topic of Raptors
* Black Legion - 10 man brick of Raptors with 4 Flamers + Jump Pack Lord + Let the Galaxy Burn (0CP) = extreme anti-Infantry
* Night Lords - 10 man brick of Raptors with 4 Meltas + Jump Pack Lord with Warp-Fueled Thrusters + Screaming Descent (1CP) + Pitiless Hunters (0CP) = tank hunting squad that is always in Melta range.
Raptors are one of the most underrated units in the codex.
Ohoo, I see you're a man of taste yourself 😜 Great combos & yes Raptors are very much S tier when it comes to all the utility they bring along (imho!)
Coming back to the hobby and I have to say, you rule. You seem so genuinely excited talking about this stuff and it makes me excited to come back. Thank you for going so in depth on this !! Subscribed
Shoot, yeah I do get pretty hyped on CSM but the idea I can help get someone hyped up too - pretty awesome to hear! 😜 Appreciate the comment & tyvm for the kind words. That's definitely 'up there' as one of the better comments I've gotten
Reminder to all new players that if your going for more of a lost and the damned style army please don't be afraid to recycle those traitor ogryns and commissars to proxy as other characters. Traitor ogryns can easily stand in for a torment in Accursed Cultists, or a master of executions etc.
as for the Vindicator, i got the HH Vindicator and used some spare Chaos Bits from my Predators, and BOOM a chaos vindicator with a more vintage look
I have checked with my local game stores (plural). There are some that does not accept HH Vindis due to lack of dozer. Hence, may wanna check with one's LGS before making the purchase.
@ernest1337wong then you will say it is GW tournament legal as it is a GW Vindicator
@@NecroGoblin-yl2fx Thank you for that. I much prefer HH vehicles as it is a newer sculpt
@@ernest1337wong also if you look at it, it got a Dozer and the size difference is miniscule.
if they are not allowed all conversions should be banned.
recently started into the hobby with the CSM Codex and found this channel. Really great content. Speaking about synergies that might not be that obvious to a new player 👍
Thank you Mage! A huge focus of the channel is new players so I always try to explain how to actually use the units / combos - it's great to hear that's getting through with the vids :)
Fine work, but more than just your review and analysis I truly appreciate how upbeat you are, it is refreshing.
Thanks Elk, yeah I'm big on being positive about things. There's enough drama channels out there as it is :P
Can you do an after action battle report? Like explain how each matchup played out and when the tide turned in your favor but not show every dice roll?
It's funny I was just talking to my buddy the other day about doing some Battle Reports with me, I'm trying to expand into some other topics so we'll see what we can do! Appreciate the suggestion
Considering with Deceptors a few things for characters myself. Thematically I'd love to take Huron for the redeployment shenanigans (just make him an AL Huron) vs taking a Terminator Sorcerer for my termies. With the Terminator Sorcerer, I'd have my Chaos Lord with Soul Link to snatch that reroll charges and advances as he leads Chosen if I feel like I need it to get to close combat.
Isn't Soul Link fantastic? I think it's the best enhancement GWs put out so far, not from a power level (tho it's strong for only 5pt) but just the fun / variety / utility factor. It can be army defining imo!
Great combos you're cooking up, Termie Sorc is my favorite thing ever hah
Great video! Thanks for posting this! Noobs to 40k and csm like myself benefit greatly from these videos! Keep up the great work!
Don't forget your chaos icons, people! They are free!!!
Thank you MotorCity! Glad you dug it 😎 & yeah man gotta toss in those Icons, I always toss it on whoever has the Heavy Melee Weapon / Powerfist
I really like Plague Marines in Renegade Raiders... full melee gets ap-3 on objectives and with full hit and wounds re-roll when getting out of a transport is super good on them.
Oh man, I had them & Noise Marines listed at first but I knew the video was going to be long so I cut them :( But yeah you're spot on, especially with the rr's they're fantastic little melee bombs! I shoulda tossed them in honorable mentions, love my little Plague Boys so good call
New night lords player, great video man, you are a natural at this!
Thank you brother! It's such a great feeling to get comments like this / see the channel growing so fast so, yeah, appreciate ya saying that man
Great video, lots of useful information. Don't know how you managed to keep up your energy and pace for such a long video! Couple of questions though:
Legionaries, what load out do you give them? I haven't played since the Index when legionaries weren't worth a look compared to chosen and possessed.
Predator Destructor, which sponsons do you give it?
I think part of my secret is the bucket of caffeine I chug directly beforehand lol 😜 Probably need to cut back on that again though... Anywho!
For Legos you want to go full-on melee + x1 ranged option of your choice (almost always either a Lascannon and/or Reaper Chaincannon). I usually go LC but now that hordes are making a small resurgence the chaingun is valid too. Aside from those it's always x2 Heavy Melee Weapon & the rest chainswords. That way their VotLW ability works to it's max. FYI a modeling tip: pretty much anything that's not a chainsword counts as a Heavy Melee Weapon - don't sweat looking for 2 handed axes or whatever
At 80pts they kinda put the others to shame tho they definitely still have their place
For the Predator, I pretty much go with LC sponsons 99.9% of the time as it makes him a legit anti-everything. I have seen some arguments for Heavy Bolters & using Lethals as then you get both Lethal + Sustained on them but really I'd only really consider that with Pactbound Zealots for the 5+Crits & even then personally I stick with LCs (have had to many lucky rolls vs Knights & the sort)
Hope that helps & by all means shoot me any other questions ya might come up with!
Feel like mentioning it here cause alot of people have mentioned but haven't realised. Both abbadon's dark destiny rule and the venomcrawlers soul eater rule are incorrect on the datacards/codex. If you check the 40k app (which I believe is the most up to date version) you'll see they're both still have the old iteration of their rules, so abby still gets his cp on a 2+ and the crawler still gets extra attacks at the end of any phase.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the GW app is notorious for using the wrong info (they love to copy/paste apparently lol). Tournaments will always use whatever's printed in the Codex aside from points. Tbh with your friends I doubt it'd be a huge deal so long as they're cool with it but yeah it's always been funny how the official app can be wrong 😜
oh ok. Yeah that seems odd thats its not accurate cause I'm sitting here looking at the app this thinking am i crazy or has no one noticed this. Its fine though my abby ain't out of his box and I haven't tested the book yet. Thanks for the heads up. 👍
What you didn't mention about the Chaos Rhino (and Cult Legion Rhinos), which is a thing that often goes over people's heads, is that for some reason it comes with TWO combi-bolters (or a combi-bolter and a combi weapon), unlike every other Rhino in the game.
It is a bit of a challenge to convert if you want everything WYSIWYG (the kit only includes one and has only two hatch hardpoints that are also shared by the Havoc launcher), but that setup makes it pretty much the best Rhino in the game. 8+d6+Blast shots when in rapid fire range, with a Dark Pact, is a legitimate threat to light infantry and means you can ease up on anti-infantry weapons elsewhere in the list.
Oh damn I always forget that, good looking out!! Yeah man at 75pt with everything else it brings to the table I'd agree it's one of the best transports
Apparently I need to start printing up some combi bolters (tbh I doubt that's one of the things people would get anal about tho, my combi just shoots more than most :P)
In the decimator attachment. Grab a brick of terminators with a lord for the -1cp. Use the reactive strat to move when sowmone falls back. Just melee lock a unit. Its so fun
Oh man that's nasty! Yeah I love that strategem just baseline, reducing the cost though... Damn
Possessed are incredible in raiders, the extra AP really gets them to where they need to be
Great point! Yeah AP1 is pretty much their only real downside but we have so many ways to improve it that it's not even that big of deal. That profile is just so damn good at 125pt, a lot of people stick with Pactbound with em but I think they can work pretty much anywhere. Renegades they'd definitely pop with tho
Possessed are my favorite, especially being a WB player. Making once per day should had upgraded to ap -2 d2. Math shows possessed and chosen do comparable damage with possessed being tougher. Being in MoP vs CL attached and Chosen win out.
Possessed have 2 ap in renegade Raiders
@@marcelozjasz721 only if they attack a unit on strategic point.
I know a lot of people are upset about MOPS nerf but hear ne out. Brick of Chosen with MOP as lead and MOE as Lieutenant. +1 to advance and charge with a decent melee option, on top of MOE damage increase on damaged units. With it being a melee focused unit i think it could do some nasty damage.
Never seen your channel here before,enjoyed the video though.
@fatarchon Hey I have a rules question! does Havocs stabilization Talons work with Overwatch? P.S love your work!
Thanks Goofy! So, sadly it doesn't work ☹️ The Overwatch strategem says "can only hit on unmodified 6 regardless of BS skill or any modifiers" - I wish it worked, they'd be one of the top units if that was the case hah
@@fatarchon thank you! Rules can be a little confusing at times
Thanks for the video. How would you build a brick of plague marines? Is there even a reason to use them over legionnaires and/or should I just get rubrics if I want cult marines?
Plague Marines are essentially the melee version of Rubrics, so they're just as valid depending on the legion / strategy you use
My favorite way is to kit them out with as much melee as possible, toss them in a Rhino & then run them Renegade Raiders. From there they can flip objectives really well - +1AP from Renegade Raiders then spend 1CP to rr all hits/wounds after hopping out the Rhino. They become incredibly deadly that way
Another route is Veterans of the Long War with a bunch of flamers. That'd let you use the Let the Galaxy Burn strat to max their flamer shots
But yeah a brick of PMs is a great choice! Especially if you're a man if taste & prefer Nurgle 😜
@@fatarchon I'm going through an odd dilemma where I like Tzeentch more, but I don't like Tsons. The idea of bunch of heavy armor fellas rushing out and hacking everything down with specialized melee weapons is also real cool.
What about both...
I'm kinda in a similar boat, I have a Tsons army but I haven't played them for ages yet I love my Tzeentch Daemons & Rubrics hah
I think you could totally get away with running both PMs & the Rubrics though. They're both powerful & best all, look cool af
Another home run Archon.
Since this is a place where people are looking to run comp lists with the new detachments, I was wondering if everyone was running more infantry focused deceptors list like this
Chaos Lord (90pts): Warlord, Daemon hammer, Plasma pistol
Chaos Lord (90pts): Daemon hammer, Plasma pistol
5x Dark Commune (65pts)
Master of Executions (90pts): Axe of dismemberment, Bolt pistol, Cursed Fang
Master of Executions (85pts): Axe of dismemberment, Bolt pistol, Soul Link
Master of Executions (80pts): Axe of dismemberment, Bolt pistol
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour (105pts): Chaos Familiar, Force weapon, Infernal Gaze, Shroud of Obfuscation, Combi-weapon
20x Cultist Mob (100pts)
20x Cultist Mob (100pts)
10x Cultist Mob (50pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Legionaries (80pts)
5x Havocs (120pts)
5x Havocs (120pts)
10x Warp Talons (220pts)
Helbrute (130pts): Close combat weapon, Helbrute fist with heavy flamer, Heavy flamer, Helbrute fist, Helbrute plasma cannon
Chaos Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher, Combi-bolter
I don't think it'd hurt to toss Huron in there, the redeploy is such a big deal with Deceptors I think it'd only help (tho ofc we all have our own playstyles / pov!). Otherwise looks fine! x3 Helbrutes is a fun choice, normally their 6" move is a big issue but if you're going nearly pure infantry then it wouldn't be so big of drawback I don't think
Just finnished my 1k and 2k Chaos army lists ❤🔥
Hell yes! You'd better throw your Chaos-ified Squat Biker into one of those lists :P Which Legion did you decide on?
with warp talons you would need to make that 9 inch charge which is not reliable, so I guess you do rapid ingress but still you are sitting there balls out in the wind. so do you deploy them behind a wall or something? what makes this useful?
Well there's the Rapid Ingress like you mentioned, but otherwise yeah you can spread your opponent out or drop down & do actions, or hope for the 9" charge etc. Some of the legions give you a boost to your charge too! But yeah there's more to it than just charging stuff
Most importantly tho - it keeps them alive. If you're able to reliably wipe squads on the charge your Talons become invulnerable essentially
I played a game without legionaires...i tell you i was missing my legionaires.
Man, the Chosen used to turn me off because of their functionally mandatory mixed weapon loadout, but my opinion totally flipped when I thought of them a sort of super elite killteam.
Lot of kitbash potential. When I make one of my own you can bet each mini is getting their own lore.
Yeah Chosen were just *bad* before 10th. Weird loadouts & only 1W on an "elite" profile meant they didn't really feel elite at all. You're spot on with the kitbash potential, then & Chaos Lords are some of my favorite conversions. Possessed too but it can be hard to find tentacles & the sort hah
I'm thinking of making my "possessed" just regular CSM in dramatic poses sharing a base with daemons posing like Jojo stands.
can i have the link to the model(TTS)?
Links should be in the description of my TTS tutorial :)
th-cam.com/video/I6zkJ91WEiw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ppBI5Tg-TJMvZSHX
Pro tip: if you’re considering using chaos spawn, grab a beast of nurgle instead. It regens per phase, so getting them outta corners etc is a pain
That's a great point, same points but infinitely better in the scheme of things
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His personality 🤣
You mention terminator sorcerer leading chosen and/or possessed but they can only lead a terminator squad
I was talking about them taking advantage of his Death Hex ability 😜 The entire army gains the extra AP not just any attached units (I normally run him solo tbh!)
as a tsons player I want to run maxed out rubrics in raiders
QUESTION Professor, I mean you're young, but my second semester of calculus was taught by a 19 year old Chinese girl that did not talk, but whatever ... I read Goonhammer Competitive Innovations, wake up to Auspex Tactics and now you, but I am not up to speed on the Mathhammer, though I intuitively agree, that combi-bolters are superior to combi-weapons with devastating wound - Machine guns in combat, not deer rifles. HOW?
Hit something! I do not care if a head wound is a peach of a shot after 3 days, Sucking chest wounds in 5 of the adversary is preferable, at 12", less of the enemy likely to shoot back, does that track?
Well! It really depends on the target selection, if it's some meaty ~T7 2+ sv monstrosity then yeah the combi-weapon probably eeks ahead ever so slightly but even then it's still only x2 shots hitting on 4's versus the x4 shots hitting on 3's.
Mainly though it's because I mostly use my Rhino's shooting for taking out chaff or screens & the like. Preferably like T3 5+ or worse saves 😜 I kinda hate the profile GW gave combi-weapons this edition, like even with Termies I'd be tempted to stick with the bolters for that fire output. I'm horrible at math (maybe that's why I like them?! Lmao) but I wouldn't be surprised if bolters beat them out in almost every situation considering DOUBLE the # of shots so double the chances of landing a wound (well... sorta)
Still combi-weapons have their uses esp on characters or one off models. Getting an unsaveable wound has a good feel to it sometimes ya know?
Thank You.
With so much Anti Tank in the army, I take 5 man Legos in Rhinos with Chaincannons x2 love em
We're spoiled with some of the best battleline AND one of the best transports - yeah I'd say that's a sound strategy you're using hah
I think that's a good call with the chaincannons too, we're usually stuff with AT so yeah maybe that's a better route to take
Can you have 2 chaincannons in a squad of 5?
@@wayoflifefitness5622No, but you can run two legionnaire squads, each with a chaincannon, in a single rhino.
@wayoflifefitness5622 Sorry, 2 Rhinos, 2 5man squads. Sorry that was unclear.
Terminators not any good?
They can be! For me it's a playstyle thing, they're just a taaaad more expensive than I like but I've definitely seen lists run them really well before. They're great bodyguards for a Termie Sorcerer for example & are incredibly chunky in Fellhammer Siege Host etc. They also have a boatload of 2D output which is really valuable compared to Chosen or the sort
Thing is I can bring x2 squads of Raptors or almost a brick of Warp Talons for around the same cost so when you start looking for points to spare they're often one of the first units you look at cutting
I really love my terminators in renegade raiders. But they are so expensive unfortunately.
I love disco lord but at current point maulerfiend or venomcrawler is just better than him. Hopefully gw ll buff his points or give him anti vehicle to his melee weapons just like warpsmith or i dont see a point in a unit that only can use his abilities on vehicles when he cant deal enough dmg to them.
Nah you're totally right, I usually include the Disco Lord in my vids for the memes :P Well, that & the fact I genuinely love him. 11/10 model
But yeah even though I built him up he has waaaaay too high of cost to be competitive atm so you're spot on... Sadly
@@fatarchon Dont worry my chaos brother. Lord disco also one of my top favorite models. Maybe next points update ll do some favor for him.
I'm hoping him & the Heldrake get some love. Hell maybe even Spawn will be usable - GW specifically said they'd be looking at OC 0 profiles to reduce points costs on now that Pariah Nexus is here so pray to the dark gods with me hah
Dark commune 65pt
At least I was close 😜