Am somone who plays both Tyranids and GCS, I find it so frustrating when other peopels core army rules jsut works every turn. Tyranids Shadow in the warp does nothing against any marine army 99% of the time, and sometimes does something agaisnt other armies on one turn of the game. GCSE sometimes brings back a unit but most of the time seams to barly help. Then on the other wise you have things like Oath of Moment or For the Greator Good, which ALWAYS do something. The new changes do something to help, Tyranids get that +1 strength and GCS if they get the army back, they can always deepstrike it. But still, Having your core army rule not contrabute to a game feels like you are playing a very differnt game to your opponent most of the time.
@@antoniogilromero1981 Yeah. It's a very good Voice. If he ever voices in a 40k game, it would be awesome (I prefer a great unclean one, those can be wholesome and scary at the same time)
@@yamato9753 He has done many episodes! We specifically use his voice for our narrative spectacle games because of how well his voice leans into that style.
I was just counting up roll totals for an average roll, Tycho rolled an average of 4.9 and nick was on 3.1 - those orange dice need to be binned. (i didn't count all the rolls in the video but for a period).
You know, for all the absolute whiffs the dice dealt Nick, kudos to him on keeping up with the scoring even mid-tilt! Amazing work, you got dealt a nasty hand
Funnily enough my homebrew csm warband took over a forge world that had a gsc bellow cooking up some mad max looking vehicles. I try when I make new armies make it all connected on one planet.
GSC are meant to be a sort of horde with low damage who win via smart tactics and having like 20 different things going on, problem is they can't kill shit in shooting, their melee is strong but dies to a soft breeze, they just don't have tankiness at all, they just can't get hit, and whilst they can bring units back, it's so unreliable, they're meant to be the smart and highly, highly tactical army, but they can't actually survive long enough and can't hit hard enough to actually carry out a full game plan
Exactly, he was even outnumbered on units when Tycho had almost all vehicles too. No wonder GSC have entirely disappeared now, they won't see play for 6 months and will barely see any play until 11th now
GSC right now is a slot machine, all your units are overpriced liked they automatically come back but you'll only get that on a 4+ ! Plus the nerf to the killing power of the demo charge wich are point and CP intensive to use AND the nerf to the aberrants killing and survivability is too much for the little point decrease they got. maybe we will get a mechanicus treatment for the next erratum but as of right now i have not seen a single battle report where the GSC wins/ had decent chance to do a plan.
@@arturorenault6181 Actually sir, I should probably remind you that your troops can only come back in 5+ after the 2nd turn...🤦🏻♂️ Man I hate that writer🤦🏻♂️
Who wins: an army with a fun codex and roster focusing around a vehicle detachment, or a very bad codex with mediocre units who now can’t kill vehicles anymore?
@@alb1n0burrit0 I very much get the vibe that it's the terminator detachment, though I haven't had a chance to play it yet... still assembling and painting my first army
@@epiceg9464 that’s fair the detachments are fun, but the units themselves are mediocre at best unless it’s the ridgerunner. It’s like reverse Custodes; instead of a poor house on solid foundations it’s a nice looking house on paper foundations
That’s the kinda game that would make me put the army on eBay afterwards. Gg lads especially nick for keeping a level head that would be so infuriating 😂
I’m not trying to be rude here, but that game was decided by the end of turn 1. Nick just didn’t have an answer to all the monsters that Tycho had, and his reinforcements never came. That said: the game ended closer than I thought. Huge props to Nick for putting up one hell of a fight, considering the hand he was dealt. I’m a space marines player, and I thought we core codex marines had it bad, but I feel for the GSC right now. They seem *really* anemic, and far too dependent on rolling high numbers to accomplish anything - but specifically what they need in order to stay in the fight/win their fights.
GSC needs something different to bring something back as this was so tragic, something like a token point system or a set amount of bring backs as they feel so underpowered. Just felt like a rebellion with no reinforcements and a bit of a cleansing than a uprising
This was more entertaining than such a one way battle had any right to be. From Tycho's heart felt, "Aww sorry Nick" to Nick sportingly and slightly hysterically dealing with quite literally biblically bad dice. This episode is probably a mathamaticians dream. I recall Steve Box having a dice rolling nightmare with his Blood Angels during his inaugural match here, but I think Nick has just taken that title. Nick, my tip would be more shooty deep strike ambushes. Get those hand flamers roasting infantry. Goliaths might be a better way to get metamorphs and acolytes into melee too. Oh and there is no way you are ever going to be that unlucky with your reinforcement rolls again. 😊
Rise, scaly brothers! As an aside, one army depends on making 4+'s on one dice. One army full of multi-wound models powers up every turn, with a chance of taking wounds failing a 7+ on 2D6. Math.
Man genestealers have a rough mechanic since it got nerfed. Their whole army is balanced around it and they made it unreliable in general so damn that sucks. I know people say they are a high skill cap army but they don’t do anything better than anyone else with that high skill so not sure why they don’t get some buffs.
It’s standard back and forth rules for 40k. Armies go from rule buffs that make them meta to rule nerfs that make them unplayable. I believe this is marketing strategy, where Games Workshop don’t want players to just have a good army but rather constantly need to buy additional troops or an additional army for the current edition. Genestealer cult were second only to Eldar (who will be nerfed badly) for a time, so unfortunately now they get punished for it. In a few years, GSC will be meta again.
This hurt to watch so much, especially cause i relate to it as a GSC player. Having dozens of units die off and then just not coming back is the worst feeling. Although I'm 100% feeling for nick, I do feel like there was a fault or two in his strategy. Firstly with the patriarch not having a full 10 man squad. Considering how squishy GS are, a 10 man squad will be reduced to a 5 man very quickly. But the other thing is not utilizing any of the, very good, enhancements that we got. Infiltrate on Abominant, plush one to damage and AP for the patriarch, both units become pretty strong. It does feel like the general army has suffered a lot in recent times, and I'm really hopping that the next update will see us buffed, at least a little in our detachments, and maybe, if we're lucky in the army rule too.
I feel like the Genestealer Blips should be guarunteed the first time a blippable unit is wiped out, then for the rest of the game it becomes a 2+, a 3+, and then a 4+ after the 4th time a unit is wiped out (this would be global, not per-unit, just kind of hard to write it down). I get the reason why it's random, but it feels too random for being a core part of the army.
Always love watching your battles. You guys have great production values, easy to see how much you guys love the game. I wonder how long it takes you to do on of these videos.
dear nick: your kelermorph is awesome, it gives off necromunda vibes and I really like that if you havent already, necromunda is an awesome setting that has some GSC in it, and even though you have to workshop your people to look like GSC in the games (like underhive wars) its still awesome to have them be apart of the setting at large. I hope you see this recommendation and appreciate it!
Nick's Turn 2 is what my last seven games of ninth edition were across the board. I haven't played 10th edition. It was that defeating and demoralizing. I haven't painted or put anything together either. lol
A big win for the -Word Bearers- Iron Warriors (I think?). Well, _the Black Legion in the IW-style detachment_ at any rate. GW themselves said paint schemes don't matter any more. Only the plastic. So long as it was bought from GW and only features what came in the box.
My headcanon for this match is that the Iron Warriors did Iron Warriors things. They had already "forcibly recruited" so many people as cannon fodder that the Genestealer uprising was just like thirty dudes and their work trucks. "Where is everyone else?" "We are everyone else."
Would love to see Space Wolves with their newly buffed detachment. This was a hilarious game, I’ve never seen such bad RNG for one person all game long, so glad it stayed friendly because that has to me stomach knot tying to feel that unlucky.
Geez, I guess the lucky Genestealers found out what the Emperor's Mercy was last time they tried to revolt. Also wow Tycho is great at Dark Pacts, at least on camera. Great energy as usual.
Like 90% of GSC games I’ve played myself or watched on YT lol. Basically we have all the tricks to score, so our dice just don’t bring back any lost units to make it more “balanced”. At least that’s the way it seems.
Need another tournament style knock out series on the channel! With our FAVOURITES! TYCHO. NICK. MR INITIATIVE. SPACE MARINE STEVE. MICHAEL. JT. TAK. MUBIN. ALL OUT WAR!!!
We root for chaos because genestealers are just not it. Edit: btw ofc genestealers couldnt come back... their souls were consumed on death. Chaos gobbling them up ;)
I feel so bad for Nick!! That really sucks. Half way through the game Tycho seemed off. Is he ok?? His mood went from 10 to like a 5. Over all, amazing game PlayOn!!
I feel bad for both Tycho and Nick on this one... it's always rough to play against someone whose rules are already pretty bad and then their rolls suck. In a friendly game it makes you feel bad on either side of the table.
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Nick was rolling like me.
Oof, I've never felt so much compassion for a genestealer player like this before!
I felt so bad for him. I think all of those 4+ he needed to bring units back were all 3s. So not only it failed, but it taunted as well.
Am somone who plays both Tyranids and GCS, I find it so frustrating when other peopels core army rules jsut works every turn. Tyranids Shadow in the warp does nothing against any marine army 99% of the time, and sometimes does something agaisnt other armies on one turn of the game. GCSE sometimes brings back a unit but most of the time seams to barly help.
Then on the other wise you have things like Oath of Moment or For the Greator Good, which ALWAYS do something.
The new changes do something to help, Tyranids get that +1 strength and GCS if they get the army back, they can always deepstrike it. But still, Having your core army rule not contrabute to a game feels like you are playing a very differnt game to your opponent most of the time.
What is it with Tycho´s voice being so perfectly villainous? He really does live up to his title as THE child of chaos.
Meanwhile you can also hear how much of a nice dude he is. Really jolly and gleefull!
@@yamato9753 True, but MAN can he seem scary. When I heard him speak for the first time, his laugh alone almost made me think he was a psyhco
@@antoniogilromero1981 Yeah. It's a very good Voice.
If he ever voices in a 40k game, it would be awesome (I prefer a great unclean one, those can be wholesome and scary at the same time)
@@yamato9753 Amen to papa Nurgle
@@yamato9753 He has done many episodes! We specifically use his voice for our narrative spectacle games because of how well his voice leans into that style.
That Hellbrute model is so old I remember when it was a dreadnought.
It’s old enough to have a mortgage and a kid
I was also laughing about it cause it’s the one that I still use too!
For a second there I thought you were gonna hit me with a yo mama joke xD
"These are the wrong kind of Mutants, folks, the wrong kind! *shrimp-flavoured* "
That sent me, Tycho is such a funny dude😂
Tycho is always fun to watch
I...don't think I've ever seen Nick so demoralized.
I was just counting up roll totals for an average roll, Tycho rolled an average of 4.9 and nick was on 3.1 - those orange dice need to be binned. (i didn't count all the rolls in the video but for a period).
And yet he still did his best to be hype.
You know, for all the absolute whiffs the dice dealt Nick, kudos to him on keeping up with the scoring even mid-tilt! Amazing work, you got dealt a nasty hand
that was rough to watch, poor nick those genestealers forgot to have their wheaties before battle
"An uprising? That's the wrong kind of chaos! Our kind of chaos... er... serves the masters. Anyway, to battle!"
Funnily enough my homebrew csm warband took over a forge world that had a gsc bellow cooking up some mad max looking vehicles. I try when I make new armies make it all connected on one planet.
Curent state of codex GSC. Can't kill anything, can't survive anything, and you've got a 50% chance for your units to be overcosted. Grim, indeed.
First time seeing Iron Warriors on this channel and not one hazard stripe in sight. It's definitely Iron Without smh 😮💨
Right?? There were more hazard stripes on the Genestealers!
Iron warriors inspired?
Word Bearers with iron warrior rules
@oldAzekai "Have faith Word Bearer lmao"
@@PlayOnTabletopDon’t even try to say their Iron warriors inspired
GSC are meant to be a sort of horde with low damage who win via smart tactics and having like 20 different things going on, problem is they can't kill shit in shooting, their melee is strong but dies to a soft breeze, they just don't have tankiness at all, they just can't get hit, and whilst they can bring units back, it's so unreliable, they're meant to be the smart and highly, highly tactical army, but they can't actually survive long enough and can't hit hard enough to actually carry out a full game plan
Exactly, he was even outnumbered on units when Tycho had almost all vehicles too. No wonder GSC have entirely disappeared now, they won't see play for 6 months and will barely see any play until 11th now
GSC right now is a slot machine, all your units are overpriced liked they automatically come back but you'll only get that on a 4+ !
Plus the nerf to the killing power of the demo charge wich are point and CP intensive to use AND the nerf to the aberrants killing and survivability is too much for the little point decrease they got. maybe we will get a mechanicus treatment for the next erratum but as of right now i have not seen a single battle report where the GSC wins/ had decent chance to do a plan.
@@arturorenault6181
Actually sir, I should probably remind you that your troops can only come back in 5+ after the 2nd turn...🤦🏻♂️
Man I hate that writer🤦🏻♂️
Who wins: an army with a fun codex and roster focusing around a vehicle detachment, or a very bad codex with mediocre units who now can’t kill vehicles anymore?
True
Fellhammer Siegehost detachment rule actually benefits lower toughness models more than vehicles. So t4 infantry etc loves the -1 to wound.
@@alb1n0burrit0 I very much get the vibe that it's the terminator detachment, though I haven't had a chance to play it yet... still assembling and painting my first army
@@epiceg9464 Eh, the Brood Brothers one is also not exactly strong.
@@epiceg9464 that’s fair the detachments are fun, but the units themselves are mediocre at best unless it’s the ridgerunner. It’s like reverse Custodes; instead of a poor house on solid foundations it’s a nice looking house on paper foundations
Seeing the lack of reserves makes me wonder if those Genestealers thought they had more support on their planet than they really did.
That’s the kinda game that would make me put the army on eBay afterwards. Gg lads especially nick for keeping a level head that would be so infuriating 😂
I’m not trying to be rude here, but that game was decided by the end of turn 1. Nick just didn’t have an answer to all the monsters that Tycho had, and his reinforcements never came. That said: the game ended closer than I thought. Huge props to Nick for putting up one hell of a fight, considering the hand he was dealt.
I’m a space marines player, and I thought we core codex marines had it bad, but I feel for the GSC right now. They seem *really* anemic, and far too dependent on rolling high numbers to accomplish anything - but specifically what they need in order to stay in the fight/win their fights.
GSC needs something different to bring something back as this was so tragic, something like a token point system or a set amount of bring backs as they feel so underpowered. Just felt like a rebellion with no reinforcements and a bit of a cleansing than a uprising
Good sport but I have yet to see GSC win a single batrep online *anywhere*
Nick won against tak a while ago. Gsc vs white scars.
@@useralert3043not with the new codex.
@@useralert3043 So before the codex ?
This was more entertaining than such a one way battle had any right to be. From Tycho's heart felt, "Aww sorry Nick" to Nick sportingly and slightly hysterically dealing with quite literally biblically bad dice. This episode is probably a mathamaticians dream. I recall Steve Box having a dice rolling nightmare with his Blood Angels during his inaugural match here, but I think Nick has just taken that title. Nick, my tip would be more shooty deep strike ambushes. Get those hand flamers roasting infantry. Goliaths might be a better way to get metamorphs and acolytes into melee too. Oh and there is no way you are ever going to be that unlucky with your reinforcement rolls again. 😊
Wow that hurt. The outcome was clear in round two :-/
aww Nick, I feel for ya buddy. GSC army rule is no army rule, and everything got hit with the curse of the B-team Codex
Have to love the fact that the GSC army rule simply will not apply in matches.
Nick scouted the metamorph truck with a biophagus, no bueno
Rise, scaly brothers!
As an aside, one army depends on making 4+'s on one dice.
One army full of multi-wound models powers up every turn, with a chance of taking wounds failing a 7+ on 2D6.
Math.
21:49 "Huhh? Hmmm??" 😂 Dude I love Nick's vocalizations. He needs to do voicework for a video game.
The “Nick! Make more robo calls!”
Has me ROLLING. Tycho, you’re such gem. You are too, Nick. Love seeing you guys play together.
Nick said he isn’t quite where he needs to be for a high skill cap army but he just needed to not whiff basically every 50/50 roll
Man genestealers have a rough mechanic since it got nerfed. Their whole army is balanced around it and they made it unreliable in general so damn that sucks. I know people say they are a high skill cap army but they don’t do anything better than anyone else with that high skill so not sure why they don’t get some buffs.
LOL When high skill meets random dice rolls, stories are born :P
A mate in my group plays GSC. The different before and after the codex is night and day.
It’s standard back and forth rules for 40k. Armies go from rule buffs that make them meta to rule nerfs that make them unplayable.
I believe this is marketing strategy, where Games Workshop don’t want players to just have a good army but rather constantly need to buy additional troops or an additional army for the current edition.
Genestealer cult were second only to Eldar (who will be nerfed badly) for a time, so unfortunately now they get punished for it. In a few years, GSC will be meta again.
@@Dragon_Fyre I dont think that is the "standard". Most armies have ups and down, but it is rare for them to swing as wildly as this.
@@fendelphi I began playing 40k in 2nd edition and that has been my experience with every new rules edition.
This hurt to watch so much, especially cause i relate to it as a GSC player. Having dozens of units die off and then just not coming back is the worst feeling.
Although I'm 100% feeling for nick, I do feel like there was a fault or two in his strategy. Firstly with the patriarch not having a full 10 man squad. Considering how squishy GS are, a 10 man squad will be reduced to a 5 man very quickly. But the other thing is not utilizing any of the, very good, enhancements that we got. Infiltrate on Abominant, plush one to damage and AP for the patriarch, both units become pretty strong.
It does feel like the general army has suffered a lot in recent times, and I'm really hopping that the next update will see us buffed, at least a little in our detachments, and maybe, if we're lucky in the army rule too.
Thanks for trying Nick. GSC codex is in a terrible state and you braved it admirably ❤
I feel like the Genestealer Blips should be guarunteed the first time a blippable unit is wiped out, then for the rest of the game it becomes a 2+, a 3+, and then a 4+ after the 4th time a unit is wiped out (this would be global, not per-unit, just kind of hard to write it down). I get the reason why it's random, but it feels too random for being a core part of the army.
This is what happens when you try to steal the pants from chaos
You guys really do have the best format for batreps out there! 40mins is the sweet spot boys!
Tycho should be a voice actor, the man has wild range
Damn. How does one learn anything from a defeat that bad? Except humility of course
Nick got all of Tzeentch's attention this game.
Always love watching your battles. You guys have great production values, easy to see how much you guys love the game. I wonder how long it takes you to do on of these videos.
I edited this video in about 7 days
dear nick: your kelermorph is awesome, it gives off necromunda vibes and I really like that
if you havent already, necromunda is an awesome setting that has some GSC in it, and even though you have to workshop your people to look like GSC in the games (like underhive wars) its still awesome to have them be apart of the setting at large. I hope you see this recommendation and appreciate it!
That land raider looks amazing!!!
I mean they all do but especially that, so creepy. Reminds me of a Mimic
2x5 Genestealers in a detachment meant for them. 😢
And the 3xAberrants, and the Biophagus...
Nick's Turn 2 is what my last seven games of ninth edition were across the board. I haven't played 10th edition. It was that defeating and demoralizing. I haven't painted or put anything together either. lol
It's very cute how they all pretended that there was still a game after round 2 xD Except Nick, with Copium he did keep it real though!
Good for Nick!
All the monsters of Hell versus... some dudes. They have a truck. And hammers.
I have yet to see GSC win a Battlerep on youtube! Big yikes!
Even Tycho was feeling sympathy for those atteocious dice rolls 🤣
Outro music must be what it's like to live in JT's head all the time :)
"Hey babe, how was your day at work?" "Eh."
My two favourite players on the channel, love the battles that these two have!
"babe wake up nick is back in the tabletop studio"
me asf: 🏃♂💨
Nick AND Tycho? Oh the energy, oh the enthusiasm.... so much fun to watch!
I'm just here for that outro music
10 minutes left and i feel for nick, we've all had games where the dice just do not cooperate and it's brutal.
Iron within iron without 😅
A big win for the -Word Bearers- Iron Warriors (I think?). Well, _the Black Legion in the IW-style detachment_ at any rate. GW themselves said paint schemes don't matter any more. Only the plastic. So long as it was bought from GW and only features what came in the box.
Haha so true
I love tycho faces when he does the commercial
Nick needs a couple of more generations before the uprising takes hold.
My headcanon for this match is that the Iron Warriors did Iron Warriors things. They had already "forcibly recruited" so many people as cannon fodder that the Genestealer uprising was just like thirty dudes and their work trucks. "Where is everyone else?" "We are everyone else."
Would love to see Space Wolves with their newly buffed detachment. This was a hilarious game, I’ve never seen such bad RNG for one person all game long, so glad it stayed friendly because that has to me stomach knot tying to feel that unlucky.
The flip of the cards by Nick was perfect lol ... ive never felt so heartbroken for Nick lol
Ah yes, never getting anything back with cult ambush. Not something I know anything about, I always get my units back.
_Goes to corner and cries_
Our Plantet ! ✊
Our Galaxy !✊
Our Biomass ! ✊
Consume Comrade !✊
Consume Everything !✊
15:50 sounds straigt out of Dawn of War! Tycho sounds just like an Iron Warrior should!!
Iron withins!
One of Nicks gunners is aiming like... IDK, like an anemic puppy nursing a wounded dewclaw.
My two favorite armies squaring up? Sign me up!!
Didn't Tycho become the Tween of chaos recently? Never forget everyone!
Very lore-accurate battle lol. Genestealers strategize and fight perfectly, but chaos has too much goddamn plot armor to die.
Nick must of pissed off the star children to be rolling like this
Doesn’t look iron warriors , but it is a list for it for sure haha . Love his nurgle land raider
Could you consider putting the card graphics under the title as it blocks the paint jobs
Geez, I guess the lucky Genestealers found out what the Emperor's Mercy was last time they tried to revolt. Also wow Tycho is great at Dark Pacts, at least on camera. Great energy as usual.
Like 90% of GSC games I’ve played myself or watched on YT lol. Basically we have all the tricks to score, so our dice just don’t bring back any lost units to make it more “balanced”. At least that’s the way it seems.
appreciate Nick taking one for the team and continuing to show how bad GsC (and his dice rolls) are
So, is there a battle report somewhere where the GSC actually win a game?
Has Tycho ever lost a battle in recent years, damn his dice are on (hell)fire.
dude... nick roll a year of bad luck with those dice XD
Need another tournament style knock out series on the channel! With our FAVOURITES! TYCHO. NICK. MR INITIATIVE. SPACE MARINE STEVE. MICHAEL. JT. TAK. MUBIN. ALL OUT WAR!!!
I'd like that with a different game each round. Legion, Conquest, 40K, AoS...
The kelermorph gives me Cad Bane in 40k vibes.
These are some word bearer-looking Iron warriors
Steve must have licked those dice....
tycho really likes his mechanised infantry, huh
Finally, some Iron Warrior love.
That was some atrocious rolling, but an incredible game!
GW needs to let TYCHO voice a chaos space marine in one of their anime
A Tycho and Nick video!
stop, please. I can only get so hyped.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Tycho fail a Dark Pact.
Apparently they really jumped the gun on the day of ascension, because nobody was coming to help Nick's boys.
Wow Nic. Just so unlucky. Took it like a champ though!
I wanna see Black Templars against Tycho. The most pious(probably spelling that wrong) against the child of chaos. The Emperor will protect
Tycho. this is 40k. Nick needs to make more SERVO calls.
We root for chaos because genestealers are just not it.
Edit: btw ofc genestealers couldnt come back... their souls were consumed on death. Chaos gobbling them up ;)
Wow,poor GSC...damn...
I feel so bad for Nick!! That really sucks.
Half way through the game Tycho seemed off. Is he ok?? His mood went from 10 to like a 5.
Over all, amazing game PlayOn!!
Ayoo, Nick man. He cursed or something. I suggest taking him to a sear or something. Get this bad luck off him.
Yes, two of my favorite factions
"ALL GUNS DEVASTATE!!!"
Curse of the orange dice strikes again.
I feel bad for both Tycho and Nick on this one... it's always rough to play against someone whose rules are already pretty bad and then their rolls suck. In a friendly game it makes you feel bad on either side of the table.
Don't worry Nick, everyone had game when dices just said no
This game was Khorne's plan to make Nick fall for Chaos all along.
The poof when Nick was talking about the new objective scared me tbh
Ah yes Iron warriors known for their use of Possessed