@El_Eon_ Sorry that I couldn't finish the video. I have to sleep. I have work in the morning. I will finish for sure when I can, though. I like your content.
I do love that you never seem biased and is actually honest when it comes to feats and scaling characters. I never saw you fumble. The fact you give both sides their due and explain you trying for both is great. Shows how strong each character is. Great video
@@silvertongue.242_99 I try to do my best, I know some people are going to call me bias regardless but I'm genuinely trying to be fair to both sides and when a character just doesn't have Feats that are as impressive as another character it can seem like I'm being biased when in fact I'm just calling it for what it is.
The fact that you only have 6.7k subs is crazy. Based on the content recently, it should be at least 5X that at least. It’s seriously great. Keep making videos man❤ For a video idea: Kaguya Otsutsuki vs One Piece Verse
Wow you are the first person to ever send me a super chat donation 😭. Honestly I might make that video soon, after I come back from a small vacation. Thank you so much
@@El_Eon_LMAO you’re welcome bro, I always like to support creators that I like to watch. The reason I recommended that video is, Kaguya vs OP verse is a highly debated topic online, and u did kaido vs madara, Katakuri vs pain, and now this, so it would fit your theme. And it would get good views too I think😁
That I would love since there a lot of way the OP verse can win from planning a trap of using sugar ability to toyify kaguya, cut kaguya into pieces with law abilities, or age kaguya to death with Bonney fruit.
Love the idea, I think it would be cool to make one now. Then make a remaster of this idea once we get the big hitters revealed during the final War arc. Who knows, we might have Garp and Shanks in the first roster, only to be replaced by like Luffy and Zoro later.
One thing which always was hilarious is that shinra tensei wouldn't hurt even low tier of One Piece verse, since pushing power was shown to be much weaker than stuff OP characters can tank. For example we can recall how Buggy was launched by Luffy's bazooka from Orange Town across the ocean and smashed into another island. This feat was repeated on Drum Island where Luffy launched Wapol from Drum Island (which was in winter climate) to another island with another climate where he began building his new kingdom. Can't recall shinra tensei being able to launch human body so far, so we got to the point where even Buggy can tank shinra tensei.
@@Theonethatjusthere But look at those FEETS BRO!!!! But seriously, it's actually pretty solid argument when you face Naruto powerscalers who just scales one character from another. You can get a picture how can i upscale admirals from freaking Buggy.
@@manlight5035If you really scale properly. Luffy has been dealing with pain level fighters since 2002, and at that time, Naruto was still searching for Tsunade. So how come people say Naruto beats Luffy when it's literally so untrue. And while Naruto was fighting Haku, Luffy already dealt with Kuro who's special attack is equal to that of cp9's Soru technique. And if we recall, Luffy at the time needed gear 2 to keep up with soru and Eneru's lightning SAS stated to move at lightspeed. So Luffy literally has lightspeed reaction since Usopp's Arc.
Misinterpretation of Naruto powerscales chakra=power in naruto. Pain had at least half the chakra Naruto had and could barely destroy a village..... Again pain could only make a chibaku tensei that was at least the width of a few mountains, where as madara created 21 meteors that covered an entire country, mind you, unlike pain who could barely be able to build a chibaku tensei, madara made only 21 cos he wanted, since chakra= strength and 10tails Madara was able to reach SO6Ps level in power, he should be able to pull of creating a moon sized chibaku tensei with 10 tails chakra as well unless you think 10 tails
Honestly i think you are the best at doing this kind of "vs" by far, specially because how you indicate your sources and make it extremly easy to understand
@@Gyat_Of_Thunder thank you I made an extra effort to sound as fair as possible for both sides. I was worried because when I couldn't find a way to scale Madara's speed and had written down that Luffy could be at a lowball 900 times faster than light. I'm pretty sure that section of the video is going to get at least a few people to call me biased.
@@El_Eon_ completely understandable, Naruto's speed scaling can be oddly hard at times and one piece is a very fast verse with alot of speed feats compared to Naruto, still a great video and I love the viewer interaction
@@Madhvik-nd9puhe scaled luffys speed for 2min to disprove madara couldn’t touch them essentially and said that they soul and body isn’t in the element not the brain or nothing huh so that the truth seeking orbs couldn’t affect them lol it was interesting but very bias 😂 some honesty in bias would be appreciated
@@anthonymoore7648 he really risregarded haku saying it is not relevant and then proceeded to reference pre timeskip kuma to scale the admirals like he dint just say narutonis irrelevant to scaling maadara
@@petarpetrov2105 he doesnt verse equalize which already destroys narutos biggest haxes that people like to wank like genjutsu and infinite tsukiyomi and funny you say bias when naruto databooks wanks the shit of naruto to multiversal and even saying guys like kakashi is omnipotent and this is just one problem in a haystack of problems naruto has. Even the power system is completely broken by this point that it makes one piece still accurate despite having a few mishaps like logias admiral not using armament.
I use to literally tell folks that the first one piece saga had Luffy and others trucking Sea monsters (Naruto summoning size beasts) with eaze😅💯. One piece isn't the highest in terms of overall strength like DBZ but it definitely has the strength advantage over a plethora of verses(MHa,JJK,Black Clover, Etc) .
Lookin at it more, yeah. Comparing the physical feats of one piece characters compared to the anime you mentioned before, the one piece world is a godamn nightmare to live in with alot of people being extremely strong
How crazy would it be If Film Z was Canon? Then you would have to add in the fact that Kizaru survived a NUKE Sized explosion, To The Face, that not only took out the entire island he was on, but It continued erupting even hours later, which means it was definitely serious, and the only reaction he had on his face was like a “That was close” look💀
@@koblestone1250 I haven't seen Film Red, but I saw a clip where Shanks nearly blitzed Kizaru. Wouldn't that be extra proof that Kizaru may have the light logia, but he is not the fastest person in One Piece considering Shanks not only intercepted his light attacks easily, but was reaching Kizaru so fast even Kizaru was kinda shook.
@@Deode-d4h I feel like it's the other way around. Kizaru was sent by the government to kill Uta which means he's serious and Shank's was able to blitz him meaning characters can certainly move faster than light even without powers
@@El_Eon_ Isn't that what I was saying? Shanks had at least reaction, combat, and arguably travel speed at greater than light to the point even Kizaru wasn't able to really escape/repel Shanks from approaching him. Kizaru even beamed himself back a few hundred or so feet, but still Shanks was able to reach and intercept the next barrage in an instant.
Always appreciate the facts and win conditions you bring for both sides. 3 admirals against madara is just overkill. Also light speed feats exists since foxy appeared. His beams are photons. Luffy speed been increasing since then, therefore the admirals are just beyond any naruto character speed. I really like how you touch a hit on the otsutsuki stuff because a lot of people tend to spread misinformation about them and what they do.
didnt foxy say something about the slow slow beam be mysterious or something he himself doesnt know so idk if its really light speed havent watched that arc in a minute
Also, there's quite a few generous assumption you made for the naruto side honestly. Madara's Pollen: You didn't have to say much of anything except that it can literally be resisted by willpower (see Onoki ) and the Admiral are literally weaponized willpower users (which is what haki is). That's just an example but it was worth mentioning.
I didn't find the exact statement where Onoki said that the pollen could be resisted by willpower or maybe it was a feat itself. I'm aware of it but I couldn't find the panel for it so I just ignored it 😅
And 2 years ago people thought I was crazy for saying that Wano Luffy would beat Sage Naruto. They thought me even crazier for saying that Pre-Timeskip Luffy would wash Part 1 Naruto. Vindicated.
One of the greatest weaknesses of rinnegan are "natural" forces like punches, kicks, magama, ice, etc. Simce most of its abilities only affects chakra based techniques that mimic those substances(ex: fire style is hot chakra)
@@shadowki5687 Pretty much. Which is why One Piece is suited to beating down Rinnegan users. Devil Fruits aren't energy based and elemental fruits are stated by Oda in an SBS to be the real thing. Most One Piece fighters are straight up physical monsters and powerhouses with insane durability and endurance. Like seriously, if you put a jonin level ninja in Thriller Bark Zoro's place, they will die from the pain bubble. Then we got Haki to augment both defense and offense and giving them varying levels of precognition on top of their uniquely strong physique. Or you're Kaido or Big Mom and literally built so different that your bare skin deflects most physical attacks naturally.
15:50 Marcos staments on the number of islands is valid. I can't remember the volume but he was stated is an SBS to have a backgrounds in geography and mapping and loves researching on the world's islands. I mean how many people even with the ability to fly can properly navigate the grand line like Marco.
Brooo your analysis on everything is insane and very detailed. Not many channels out there that put in the work and research, and just your knowledge on the topics alone is crazy. Very entertaining and enjoyable video. You earned a subb and definitely deserve more.
Only contentions I have with this scaling are the G2 multiplier and the “small planet” statement for Ten Tails chakra reserves. I don’t have any contentions with using the “10 steps in an instant” to get a speed multiplier for G2, but as Luffy never specified whether all 10 steps were done by one leg, or that they were divided evenly between both his legs, I think it makes sense to lowball with the latter and assume a 5x speed amp. Not that this changes much as far as the Admirals being faster than Madara, but it probably helps with being a bit more critical of OP scaling. As for the Ten Tails small planetary statement, given what others have pointed out I think this statement is strictly in reference to the size comparison between the water sensing spheres, and not a literal statement about the ten tails having chakra reserves comparable to a small planet. The biggest issue with using this statement is that scalers seem to assume that the water sensing sphere was tracking all chakra across the planet at one time, even though from what I currently understand there is no evidence of this being the case. At best the sensing sphere could only portray individual battlefields at a time (ie, 4 of the Edo Kage causing most of the sphere to bubble even though they didn’t remotely have the greatest concentration of chakra on the planet), and even assuming that the sensors range was expanded I haven’t seen anything in the way of supporting statements or showings to suggest that the sensing sphere represented the planet in its entirety, which likely entails that the ten tails is not even small planetary in chakra reserves. Otherwise, really solid video all around.
i think that it would be no? because characters like hagaromo was fighting kaguya for months and even with a little of the chakra he had left he made a moon is the ten tails really that far off from him what do you think about this
The ten tail is formed when an otsutsuki plants a seedling on a planet, the seedling will grow into a tree by siphoning the life force and energy of that planet until that planet is done for. And then they havest the chakra fruit and eat, that's how the otsutsuki are scaled to planetary and above. They literally go around planet to planet planting and harvesting. This is consistent due to that fact that when naruto tries using sage mode to sense the ten tail what he sense was nature energy itself of the planet. That's how at bare minimum, the ten tail is planetary, not because of its size
“The ten tail is formed when an otsutsuki plants a seedling on a planet, the seedling will grow into a tree by siphoning the life force and energy of that planet until that planet is done for. ” How much energy is that though? You say later that this is how the Ten Tails/Otsusuki scale to planetary energy, but where is that ever demonstrated? Do they absorb enough energy that the planet gets vaporized in its entirety, or is it just absorbing enough energy to the point where that planet can’t sustain life?
@@michaeldorsey9231 the literally eat fruit that contains the life force of a planet and when I mean that planet is done for I mean when it is done for literally, all life form cease to exist and die. Even in the naruto series, when kaguya planted the god tree, it was sucking up not only the nature energy and life force of the planter but also killing the humans, there was increase in the death rate with no natural cause for it. Hagoromo noticed this and saw how the people were dying and only the tree which his mother forbid him from going too seems to be thriving as he didnt even know the tree was not an ordinary tree and why his mother kaguya was obsessed with it
@@michaeldorsey9231 this is proven even further in boruto with the introduction of another otsutsuki and his introduction begins with him eating a chakra fruit and the background displayed planets that has been destroyed and the numerous shinjus that have been harvested.
I really love this channel. I've seen many videos of scaling that only relies on power level but this channel scales speed levels, hax, logic, how the character fights and the interaction of the abilities from both sides. And he backs all of this with research and evidence from manga. but as a fan of both verse I've notice an inconsistency in the speed levels of one-piece characters. For example kuzan blitzing katakuri didnt happened in the manga and there is no solid evidence that both akainu and kuzan have lightspeed. it can be argued that they are lightspeed bc they fought white beard but in the one piece verese speed is complicated lemme explain. The speed system in One Piece is a complex issue with many factors to consider. Some characters are naturally fast, while others rely on Haki or Devil Fruits to increase their speed. There are also different types of speed, such as travel speed, attack speed, and reaction speed. with that being said lets take this for example king is faster than zoro only on movement speed but zoro is faster on reaction speed and attack speed. using this example we can conclude that kuzan and akainu has comparable reaction speed and attack speed that enables them to go toe to toe with whitebeard. thats why i will say as of now their movement speed is barely speed of light or base speed of light bc there is no solid evidence yet supporting that the 2 of the admirals have speed of light. Thats enough yapping I just want to point out the misconception on One piece speed system. but admirals still take the W.
I didn't finish the video before commenting but is still think the admirals will win because their defensive abilities don't require energy at all bc they are the element itself we've seen this a lot of times heads and limbs gets chopped off but they go back to normal but since they're elements they can be countered by elements itself for example magma defeats fire. so with the right elemental jutsu i think madara would be able to damage 2 of the admirals using the right elements. Ik these is all head cannon but if the battle is to last days Madara bound to figure out what to throw at the 2 idk how he will deal with borsalino cause i dont study enough science but it really comes down to admirals haki stamina I really think that akainu only won against kuzan because of more haki reserves but if theyre gonna fight madara they would be only using advance observation bc theyre also bound to figure out madaras healing capabilities bc armament and conquerors will only be a waste of energy. so instead of ten days the admiral can also last a months. Given that madara will be throwing his strongests attacks to try and damage the admirals the month worth of chakra reserves will dwindle down a lot while the admirals are only doing elemental damage and color of observation. inevitably madara will run out of energy before the admirals does. this is all headcannon of whats gonna happen I also see a scenario where madara takes down 2 of the admiral but still loses because of borsalino. but thats enough paragraphs today
Small correction the injecting feat in the novel was by Shusui but you're still correct. It's just a description on how the sharingan works it doesn't change how genjutsu works and doesn't state that a chakra network isn't needed. Like Tayuya's song has chakra in it too which is injected into the ears, so obviously each case of genjutsu still requires a network. People just argue this so they can say "Genjutsu GG" in cross verse battles.
Amazing Video and amazing work, ever since the Kaido vs 5 kage video you’re one of my favorite scalers and youtubers as a whole. Another thing you can use is that luffy should be 4x faster than light on base Sabaody and he should be 10x faster via gear 2, plus another 3x multiplier via gear 4 going of gear 2 putting luffy at 120x speed of light on Dressrosa alone. Also vid idea, what if team 7 were at wano facing off against the beast pirates replacing the Strawhats, while the Strawhats replace team 7 in the war arc against Madara, Ten tails, Kaguya etc.
El_Eon_, your power-scaling is honesty top notch. Almost everyone has bias, and you bring little to no bias. I honestly have a few video ideas: Luffy Vs Naruto, your take would be quite interesting. Sanji Vs Sauske. Buggy Vs five Kage would also be interesting. And if your comfortable with Anime’s other than One Piece and Naruto, then: Kaguya Vs Ban the immortal (Seven Deadly Sins) If you consider any of these then thank you.
@@WingedRaChicken I'm willing to So talk about other anime but for now I just want to build a Sub base. The suggestions are interesting though and I'll definitely be jotting them down
😱 I can’t believe that got you back to me that quickly! And it makes sense that you want to make a sub base, you are fairly new. I honestly thank you for at least considering my ideas. And for Kaguya Vs Ban, I feel like ban would win, only cause of his magical ability. With it, I feel like Kaido would be fodder. Since Ban’s Magical ability allows him to steal your life force and absorb it, making him stronger. (In a fight, he used it, and birds in the air flying above, dropped dead). He did drink the holy grail, but lost it reviving his gf.
@@WingedRaChicken I've seen all of seven deadly sins so I'm aware, I just haven't scaled it so idk how fast the characters really are but once I get a good portion of the content I want to make out of the way I wouldn't mind looking into it.
Great video the admirals win against every other version but not ten tails Madara keep up the good work man don’t listen to the naruto fanboys writing your wrong our characters are universal blah blah
I've been asked to do prime Whitebeard videos and my only reservation is that we only have the 1 feat with Roger who is also featless for the most part. Trust me once we get God valley and get some more concrete Feats for these characters I am more than willing to do some content on these guys.
@@gamemastery3532 That's honestly going to be a different kind of terror. Prime Whitebeard was seen doing his plate shifting just by getting angry, Idk how that works power wise, but that's just insane. Other than that, Whitebeard would probably end the war very fast. No one in the war was doing too well against Madara dropping meteors, and unlike Madara Whitebeard isn't fond of holding back. Also, the sheer destructive power of the Quake fruit makes sheer numbers almost useless.
That shi was crazy, as huge as the op world is its still somehow went through such a huge flood which was probaly man made and with how big it is thats insane
@@WingedRaChicken Marco doesn’t know most the world sank underwater when he said there’s 20 million Island. Now on the most recent chapters because of Vegapunk we know the world flooded and sunk most of the land for the past 800 years. In short the 20 million Island is just what is currently left of the flooding.
Any chance we could get a vid dedicated to every/most instances of power cliffing in One Piece? A lot of scalers seem to underestimate Luffy’s jumps in power through the series, or otherwise overestimate past antagonists relevance/strength compared to current arcs.
Amazing video as always, I wanted to point one thing out though, and that is amado's statement. There are 3 times in the boruto series where a certain energy was called chakra but wasn't chakra. This is also confirmed by these characters (Amado, Sasuke, isshiki, kurama and boruto) and the database in the official naruto website. These are the instances. 1. When naruto used baryon mode - kurama said fusing his chakra with naruto's creates a #new #type of #energy. (However isshiki and Sasuke still called it chakra) 2. When Boruto uses Uzuhiko, Boruto stated that he uses the kinetic energy produced by the planet's rotation and orbit. But he called this energy "planet's chakra", in the database it was stated that #he #calls it "planet's chakra" but its not "nature energy" nor is it "chakra" that's just what he calls it. Which indicates one thing, in Boruto "#chakra" seems to be the default term for "#energy". As we see with Amado, Baryon mode and Uzuhiko. Thus the God tree sucking out all chakra in the planet, means it's sucking out " all energy within the planet, natural energy, spiritual energy, physical energy etc".
@@nobody5066 just because the energy generated from Baryon Mode or the application of Uzuhiko are called chakra it doesn't mean that Amado's statement of all life forms having their chakra stolen could refer to a different type of energy. There is absolutely 0 correlation.
@@El_Eon_ you are misunderstanding me🙏. Also I'm not talking about a "different type of energy" in life forms, it's the energies that already exists within every life form, which are #mental and #physical energy. All life forms have these two energies, stay with me. I'm saying the God tree sucks #all the "energy/chakra" in the planet. That includes #nature energy. Which is why the planet dies afterwards. And that also includes mental and physical energies because Humans or any life form did not have chakra before Haguromo & kaguya, however nothing was said about their #mental and #physical energies, which are fundamentaly separate energies from chakra. Every life form possess both mental energy and physical energy. The God tree sucks in everything, nature energy, mental energy, physical energy and even chakra itself. That is my point, I'm not saying life forms have a different energy out of nowhere.
@@nobody5066 doesn't god tree sucks natural energy along side with chakra of living beings ? I mean momoshiki uses 16 god tree in his dimensions on a planet, i don't think there were people's or humans living on that planet with chakra ! And i also don't think that the planet was made up of Chakra lol ! i think God tree sucks all the nature / natural energy of the planet with chakra of living beings and converts it into a Chakra fruit .
@@nobody5066 That's why infinite tsukuyomi will work ! I mean chakra is a mixture of physical, mental and spiritual energy used as fuel in order to create ninjutsus, shinobi's dies if the uses all of their chakra cause they uses almost every type of energy from their body to create chakra in them and if they uses all of that then any type of energy will not left which would keep them alive, that's why chakra is the life source for shinobies. No one have Chakra or chakra system before kaguya, hagoromo uses his creation of all things or soul sword to create a world of chakra and chakra system in which everyone have chakra even in animals. God tree sucks chakra of living beings + planet's natural energy and converts it into a Chakra fruit, Amado was referring energy in form of chakra which is also a different type of energy exists on a planet of naruto where every people possess chakra cause of kaguya and hagoromo. If God tree just sucks chakra that's mean otsotsukies are travelling in space to find planets where people lives with chakra or every planet is made up of Chakra which is not true. I personally thinks infinite tsukuyomi will work on one piece verse as madara reflects his six paths chakra through the moon light and transplants his so6p chakra into everyone to cast infinite tsukuyomi in their minds and no one can hide from it as it pierces through any physical objects and can see even through the shadows, means this man in the video which claims that IT will not work cause it's effects only Chakra users isn't true.
it's dope seeing you get more and more engagement these days , but something is bothering me and that's the kirin is LS databook thing, in the manga zetsu literally said it was lightning speed and that it was impossible to dodge since it moves too fast for humans but in the databooks its LS? that contradicts the source material. Lastly since we're on speed , opverse speed scaling next video?
Thank you thank you, I'm aware of the Zetsu statement since I had to reread that fight. The only reason I didn't call it lightning speed is because I was already having a hard time scaling Naruto characters to Lightspeed and I didn't want people calling me biased because I didn't use a data book statement As for the speed scaling video I might take a little bit longer doing that because I am going on a vacation soon and I want to have another video at least halfway done before I leave and I'm still not done rereading one piece.
@@halojeff15 should be done with the script and voice over in like a day or two and the editing shouldn't take longer than a week so ya should see a video within a week and a half. I'll finish reading on my vacation so when I return it'll be the first thing I make
@@halojeff15 yeah the only time i feel like its ok to use databook statements from naruto is when the anime backs it up plus it aint hard to get them to light speed because the fodder who got some of kuramas chakra could react to daruis lighting circus he aint foder but comparing to the top tiers he aint much also that doesnt make sense for it just to be lightning speed cause a young kakashi was cutting lighting and stuff so i was confused by what zetsu said
@@Xero488 thank you, I can make the video the only thing that I don't have right now is time. In my opinion the Akatsuki don't stand a chance simply because mihawk is part of the seven the warlords. A lore accurate mihawk would blitz and one shot all of them. There's also the conversation about Obito versus any of the warlords because of his Kamui, The biggest hurdle would simply be them figuring out If they can hit him while he attempts to attack. Considering the massive speed difference especially for the stronger warlords I don't think they would find it very hard to land a hit more so them just figuring out when they need to land it.
Scaling the size of the One Piece planet based off the number of islands on Earth feels flawed. One Piece is entirely islands, where the Earth's landmass is dominated by Continents. Of course, the One Piece world would have more islands than Earth when they make up the entire landmass. Though calcs still put the One Piece planet in that 10-20x Earth range. Given that both of these options end up in that range, I am more willing to grant that interpretation. I also think the Whitebeard destroying the world statement is hax based, not him physically striking that hard. He is utilizing his devil fruit to create a massive area of effect on his attacks. For example, if his AP was mountain level and his fruit spread the area of effect to the entire island they are standing on, it will cause way more damage than a mountain level attack.
Some of these islands are literally the size of our continents and there's over 10 times that amount. Not to mention the massive stretches of Sea between them. Also considering More recent statements in the manga most of the islands are actually just part of one giant supercontinent that's been flooded.
This video was great, you're a great power scaler for both of these series and i can't wait to see more from you. Hey do you think Blackbeard already has a third fruit or do you think we'll see him get one?
He'll probably get a third one soon enough, Right now he does seem to be the weakest of the Yonko. A third fruit can definitely change that and I'm assuming it's going to be a Zoan fruit
You need to use punk hazard to scale the admirals devil fruits. they intentionally held back to not destroy marine ford. with that said...since the admirals are logia types and you stated no verse equalization. there is nothing madara can do to them. so we have a unnecessarily long video for a 1 sided battle....
I have to disagree because several times the raikage has been mentioned to have multiple times the speed of light the data book is wrong it was translation error but the raikage has multiple times the speed of light. Ems madara has multiple times the speed of light. But great video by the way I’m for sure subbing.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I was pretty sure Kirin moves at the speed of lightning. It is a a real thunderbolt as opposed to elemental chakra. Sasuke just guides the lightning, which makes it a lightning speed attack.
@@joshuaanderson7027no you don’t get it I’ll explain it like this Sasuke amped the lightning bc he has lightning affinity chakra can be used on anything no matter what if it’s organic or non organic which is why kakashi can cut a lightning bolt with chidori and not get electrocuted and non organic bc Naruto can pass his chakra through rubber balls during rasengan training chakra works on all level physical, metaphysical, mental, and spiritual
Also that for gear 4 several is not just three, it is as well 7, 8, to even 9 of which already makes luffy multiplier even bigger and this is already insane and its putting him into the 90x SOL, which is already MFTL.
Question: for the TSO ability to destroy the soul doesn’t that idea come from minato soul losing its arm? If so doesn’t that make this soul removal only work due to TSO ability to negate justu which minato was a edo when losing his arm? Also for the aokiji blitzing cracker I’m unsure if that can be used as reliable evidence since it from the anime which isn’t entirely canon and is anime filler. I mean Aokiji still defeated cracker seemingly effortlessly since he frozen so it doesn’t matter. Anyway great video and I think admirals take it in all forms due to their diverse abilities. As long as they have Aokiji they have the win condition of core freezing which I’m unsure if madara can break from 👍
Honestly, I had the same idea. I thought Minato not having arms isn't cause the TSO erased it, but that the Edo Tensei keeping his arms there were nullified, thus sending it back to wherever his soul rests.
@@TyandOnGoing the anime is canon. The animators adding an additional scene to a fight doesn't make it less canon than the manga. As for the Minato part, when the Edo tensei is released and his soul leaves the body he's still missing his arms so I assume that the TSO also destroyed his soul.
@@El_Eon_ Yeah, I think the only truly contentious thing about the added scene in the anime wasn't if Kuzan can one shot Cracker, but if Van Augur was actually that powerful to one shot Cracker's biscuit warriors. Those warriors were so strong, post Dressrosa Luffy was already forced into Gear 4 just to even be capable of fighting it.
@@Deode-d4h I Don't think it's contentious whatsoever, Van Augur potentially scaling above dressRosa Gear 4 Luffy makes perfect sense if you consider that they are part of Blackbeard's crew and his crew is potentially going to be one of if not the final villain so his men scaling above a much weaker version of Luffy isn't that surprising.
New sub here and Love your unbiased approach and the research you put in these videos ❤(oh and sorry but i think kabuto said he modified madara to be stronger than he was in his prime when he brought him back to life not that it makes a difference tho great video as always )
Kabuto said he modified Madara but he also doesn't know what mother's power was during his prime. He has no way of knowing. Hashirama also said Madara was regaining his past power after he got revived.
True but the question is would it destroy their entire bodies only the part of the it made contact with And would they be able to use their double fruit powers to regenerate
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Roshi uses lava release, and several Naruto characters use light which is yin release. also truth seeker orbs have reality-warping meaning they whould be able to interact with elemntal intagibilty.
Truth-seeking orbs are not reality warping, and as one of the comments above said chakra natures are not the same as regular elements, we especially see this in boruto when jigen couldn't absorb regular fire with his karma. Zetsu also mentions that Kirin using natural lightning is many times more powerful than any lightning Jutsu.
@@El_Eon_ Reality Warping (The TSBs are partially comprised of Yin-Yang Release, which is capable of altering reality in a variety of ways) which allows for: Existence Erasure (Can erase Ninjutsu, people, and matter), Transmutation (The TSB can be altered into different states of matter, energy attacks, Chakra Receivers, and more), Shapeshifting and Size Manipulation (The TSB can be morphed into a variety of shapes and sizes), Limited Telekinesis (The TSB can be freely controlled telekinetically, up to a 70 meter radius), and Limited Power Nullification (The Truth Seeking Balls negate and erase all Ninjutsu they come into contact with, which includes energy and elemental based attacks, Edo Tensei, and Dust Release to name a few, with the exception of those imbued with natural energy and space time ninjutsu), Limited Invulnerability (Juubi Jinchūriki are impervious to ninjutsu, which includes energy and elemental attacks, with the exception of those that contain natural energy).
Great video I know madara and admirals top tier characters are attention grabbers but would love to see some videos on more unknown characters like Tobiroppo vs ninja 7 excluding Naruto group.
Interesting scaling. It's really well thought out and fleshed out and it seems like you've done your at most best to be as objective as possible without resorting to faulty assumptions and fallacies unlike most powerscalers eventually succumb to and make bad compromises in massively overscaling a cast of characters and a verse with bad paradigms which they then assert. This is a lot of good standard quality detailed research. You remind of Zaelleaz and his research testing the feats of the Naruto Shippuden series he's a pretty good objective scaler as well. I like your integrity. If I may ask you how do you think the Espada Ulquiorra Cifer from Bleach would fair in the Naruto verse against varies cast and arcs?
@@JohnLevi-t1w I have been asked about making content on bleach and while it is my least favorite of the big three and I'm not as well versed in it as I am in Naruto in one piece, I am willing to eventually make content involving it and other shonen but for now I'm just trying to get my bearings with TH-cam as a whole.
Honestly, if it was 1v1s I would be fine giving Madara the dub for at least 10 Tails Jinchuriki form. All 3 Admirals at once with a clear speed advantage? Not unless we see Madara resisting being melted by magma, then flash frozen, then survive multiple high tier explosives while frozen, then can I safely give him the dub. Otherwise, no deal. Regenerating from being bisected and having near half your body blown to bits from one hit is neat, but extrapolating that to surviving whole body magma hits then being flash frozen then blown to bits is just a bit much.
@@Deode-d4h oh ok so madara is MFLT+ with large planet level of ap and existence erasure, immortal, invisible clones that are as strong as him, soul stealing,
@@jasperking442 Do you have any evidence to back up your AP and speed scaling stats that this video didn't show? Cause as far as I'm concerned, feats wise, Madara is just a few times the speed of light high balled.
Also on whitebeards quakes is that even those of the Sabaody felt it, franky as well. So planetary is not out of the question for him and even then, he is still multi continental without it considering one piece planet has islands like Alabasta of which is the size of australia just from the statement vivi said when they crossed the river and his rivals like Garp and Whitebeard have the physical power to split them and even chinjao can do it via his head. Even then, op planet is still not believed and there have been many downplayers despite many statements and common sense that its just insane.
@@Theonethatjusthere I'd say Wano Sanji, both pre-genetics awakening and after. Sanji has a bit more durability than Katakuri, whilst also being a speed demon in his own right. Sanji's base Observation Haki was so good he could even counter Katakuri's Future Sight.
Had a thought; has there been any instances of Brook attacking and failing to damage a logia, specifically in the post timeskip era? And if there are any instances like that, or any statements by Brook or the Straw Hats that he can’t hurt a logia, could that be a decent argument for logias being resistant to soul damaging attacks?
@@gloopinblopin8830 I can't give that answer until we get some more concrete feats for the top tiers. Especially since Shanks vs kidd and Luffy vs Kizaru are a thing
Well, if we go by names, could be Lucky Roux for now. If I remembered correctly his name was inspired by Lucky Luke a cartoon character stated to shoot faster than his own shadow.
@@Deode-d4h my head canon is that its Attach as he is the one who take most of the bounty photos and the only thing more impressive then fight a really fast character is taking a photo of them while they are fighting a really fast character
I really like this dude. Keep up the unbiased takes you make as its really refreshing to hear compared to others who really are biased and are always using verse equalization and even I do as well of which is really unfair and completely biased to just one character alone and just headcanon altogether. Cant wait as well for new videos to come out and are you as well going to do Luffy vs Naruto in the near future? Because this would be swell to see.
@@Theonethatjusthere it doesnt matter if a lot of people will get mad. People will always get mad, I just want him to do that video along with many I have in mind like; Zephyr vs Jiraiya The Emperors of One piece, the Elder Stars or Imu itself or even better is Yhwach D Roger( ahahahahahaha) vs the higher tiers of the naruto verse like Kaguya for example along with Naruto, Obito and many more because its hard to see what is even a real statement in naruto as some of it is hyperbolic to the point it scales the naruto characters to even multiversal if taken literally whereas one piece has as well hyperbolic statements but at least, they are not universal or multiversal or whatever versal that naruto series says. Naruto has haxes but even then, the one piece has the physicals and mentals in spades and el_eon broke it down for me very easily compared to other vs debaters who just go off and dont even care one piece has to offer and just verse equalizes and I was like this once but now, I am trying to fix it as well as i find it flawed and not respectful at all.
@@Theonethatjusthere but then again, it wll take a long time especially for the elders and imu and many more top tiers one piece has to offer but I can wait as oda seems to be again prolonging the series despite so many saying it is going to end this year.
@@Theonethatjusthere nah, its oda. Guy even said that only marines and emperors luffy would fight and he ended up another more to the hierarchy of the already insane one piece tiers like the warlords. But then again i have to admit thay i am just coping because i dont really want it to end without exploring the entirety of the planet like the straw hats did pre time skip, even the concepts of hollow earths is not very clear to be shown anymore which is a shame considering how large the one piece planet is.
Madara isn’t immortal, madara even says this when he fought might guy "u nearly killed me u bastard" so he can’t regen from everything he’s not fully immortal, also I’d say it’s disingenuous to say Kaguya they fought for months 😂 we saw how much damage happened with the 10 tails and were told by madara multiple times "not to waste all of the 10 tails chakra" then u have the data book saying 9 tails alone would turn the world to ash so ur telling me 3 10 tail lvl beings fought for months and the world was okay ? 😂when akainu and aokiji fought for 10 days they permanently changed the weather like at least some kind of explanation
@@insatiablehunger2138 I don't think it's disingenuous cuz it's a statement coming directly from the anime. I'm also aware of the Madara being nearly immortal since I brought it up in my kaido versus Madara video. I just forgot to add it to the script. As for the world being okay after the months-long Clash from 3 10 tails level beings, They likely controlled the output of their attacks as to not destroy the planet itself but that's just my own personal head Canon.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 no it doesn't the only reason he thought it would is because he couldn't find a statement that said all living thing in the naruto verse have chakra but now that there is one there is no reason to think that it work different form any other genjutsu and genjutsu needs chakra which one piece character don't have
I know you probably do match ups from polls in your community and I haven't been watching long but I would find an explanation and in depth battle between Rock lee vs cp9/0 very entertaining.
Bro can you do one about a "what would happen" if Saturn was the villain of some Naruto Shipuuden arc? For example, Saturn vs all of Konoha in Pain, or in the final war?
@@Castro7676 I could probably make up something with all the five elders. I just like to wait until I get a couple of more images from them so I can sub out the ten tails. But it is an interesting video idea.
I didnt think that the admirals were capable of fighting juubidara... but then the speed gap was just... astonishing. Ive known zoro dodged light as early as thriller bark, but that absurd 900x light speed boost from luffy since sabaody and how admirals are capable of reacting to that speed... How is one even gonna scale madara to 900x ftl!? Especially when juubidara had trouble fighting a just above relativistic naruto and sasuke? Admirals even have future sight to add, so it will take more than just equal speed to actually tag them! And thats assuming there IS a way to prove madara is massively relativistic. And to add one piece characters also have defense bypassing and durability ignoring attacks! Im done... one piece has now officially passed naruto shippuuden.
@@mlmf2012 I'm going to be honest with you when I first started making videos I had reservations about even implying that The one piece verse may be stronger than the Naruto verse but the more I've been making videos and the more I've been trying to scale it I'm starting to come around to that conclusion.
@@mlmf2012 Honestly, Naruto's big weakness especially against One Piece is speed. Most of the Naruto Shippuden top tiers cap out to relativistic to a few times the speed of light high balled. Even the stronger forms as you've seen in the video have pretty dubious higher speed scaling. In One Piece from Skypiea to Sabaody has some of the clearest increasing speed scaling I've seen. And with Luffy's Gears makes it easy to track how much the scaling is in post time skip with all the references to Luffy being blitzed by stronger opponents in his faster forms.
@@Deode-d4h thats the thing. If such relativistic scaling already existed literally NINE HUNDRED chapters ago(luffy dodging photons), then why does most of the vs community not acknowledge it!? There was even a time most people believed pain would low diff dressrossa zoro, and you would be laughed at believing the opposite! Heck there are still people today who believe current wano zoro loses to pain. Its just perplexing that such scaling existed but no one took the time to analyze it for what it really is.
@@mlmf2012 One of the biggest counter points I see to why people refuse to acknowledge light speed feats in One Piece is labeling it as "aim dodging" and saying "Kizaru is fastest and he is light so One Piece capped at light speed". Both arguments being fairly easy to debunk.
@@mlmf2012 I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people wouldn't accept it. Some just don't like lightspeed scaling cause real world logic and physics. Some just don't believe the speed scaling of One Piece or have never seen One Piece. Some just don't want Naruto characters to lose because that's what they love and cherish. I mean, generally speaking, people who have seen most of One Piece are more likely to have seen Naruto as well, but the reverse isn't the true.
I understand the chakra argument, buuuut it makes vs battles less fun by basically just taking away a large portion of a given characters kit. Such as using any character from bleach making them insta neg anyone from another verse just from soul pressure. I think it’s a lot more fun to ask the question what if Madara uses genjitsu would the admirals have an answer would it matter? Its just more interesting that way I think.
I get what you're trying to say, but I think of it like this. If an attack targets the opponent's eyes and the character they're fighting doesn't have eyes. Then that attack shouldn't work. Similarly, if an attack manipulates Chakra in a chair network and their opponent doesn't have one then that attack also shouldn't work. It would be unfair in a sends to save the attack should work. I can get behind stuff like soul absorption working because there's nothing that implies that souls are exclusive to the naruto verse but When something requires a physical organ, then I think it's different. Even still, madara doesn't use genjutsu that much. So I wouldn't say you're taking away a core part of his kit.
@@edisdnilb2501 I completely understand this sentiment, however allow me to push back a bit. Like the comment above mentioned, Madara doesn't use Genjutsu that often. In another video I did the math and if you take away Genjutsu and the other abilities that require the opponent to have chakra then he only loses out on less than 8% of his overall tool kit which isn't really that bad. Personally I also find Genjutsu boring, it's one of those things that people use to argue once a character gets caught in it... it's GGs, like Bleach's soul crush.
Naruto Ngl has gotta has some of the misperceived speed in the big 3 people really take unquantifiable amps and run with it also something I wanted to mention with the Marco thing is that isn’t Marco also a navigator? Which makes him a credible source?
You know this fight, if it ever happens, reminds me of when Shiki stormed marineford with Garp and Sengoku. Madara would lose but the destructione would be very evident if Madara was instead given Haki and one piece physical and mental power considering his haxes are useless because naruto, for all of its haxes, ignored its physical and mental powers that even one piece still has to this very day and it shows very well in the naruto war and onwards. Seriously, even chakra is retconned as now existing everywhere instead of being an alien power in the first place, kinda like the force power of star wars ignoring legends as the force was spread via war and death via an alien empire though i forgot its name which is a bummer but understandable as it is has been some time since i look into legends.
1. I interpreted EMS Madera as planetary because you need Chakra relative to whatever you summon in Naruto. So Madera summoned a full Nine Tails while covering it with a full Susano. Would grant him planetary scaling in my opinion. 2. I wasn't aware of the size of the One Piece world. Because I'm illiterate, I only pull up for fights. I also assumed that DF scaled to the user's power. I wasn't aware of better DFs. 3. By your scaling the power tier in the Big 3. Should be: 1. Bleach 2. One Piece 3. Naruto Godamn, the Naruto fans can't catch a break. First Boruto now this!
Not only did Whitebeard not beat Akainu, he got so absolutely destroyed in head on confrontations that he was basically a walking corpse. He needed a surprise attack to deal any significant damage and Akainu still tanked his strongest attack and came out ready to fight all of his commanders that were left + Crocodile. This might've been the dumbest thing I've heard you say so far.
After fighting Whitebeard Akainu needed to recover, after fighting Akainu Whitebeard just continued his onslaught and defeated Blackbeard in process. Akainu also was using sneak attacks making Squard backstab Whitebeard and attacking Whitebeard during his heart attack, Whitebeard just paid him with the same coin.
@@manlight5035 lmao "needed time to recover". No such a thing as a provided time frame or indication of it in any statement in the manga. For all we know, it could've been 10 seconds and still, I will repeat myself, he went on to barge through all of the commanders left and Crocodile while Whitebeard's death was inevitable. Also, he did not "defeat" Blackbeard, what are you yapping about ☠️
@@ugene77 Akainu appeard on battllefield only after Whitebeard died, so all the time while he was fighting marines, destroying Marienford and owning Blackbeard making him beg for mercy and screaming for his team to save him, Akainu was recovering. And Akainu didn't even defeat any commanders so this feat after recovering doesn't scale him higher than Whitebeard, lol. You are the one who is yapping.
@@manlight5035 embarrassing bias lol, making Blackbeard beg for mercy is a feat? The biggest coward in all of one piece? Also, made him beg by standing menacingly literally half dead lmao ☠️☠️☠️ not by fighting him. You just keep taking things out of context buddy and stick to only watching the anime 😭. Also, as I said twice lmao, no time frame was provided and the longest sequence there was Whitebeard's speech, so Akainu was at best "recovering" for a couple of minutes, unless he has Marco level regeneration, there is no way that attack dealt significant damage to him lol as he wouldn't be able to recover so fast, much less come out with a bruise only ☠️
EMS Madara/Edo Madara(hypothetically not immortal) should be above any single Admiral. But obviously without the Nine-Tails all 3 Admirals would mid-high diff him But EMS/Edo Madara with Nine-Tails vs 3 Admirals is probably an extreme diff either way Revived Madara should mid-high diff the 3 Admirals But the thumbnail shows Juubidara who annihilates the OP verse
@@Theonethatjusthere and even if you wanna pretend that he has: 1. Not by much at all 2. Doesn't help the rest of the verse who are all slower than him
I think the admirals one shot, If you think about it if might guy was 2d Stronger he wouldve probaly killed madraa, and i think the admirals can achieve that AP with how fast they are Tbh i havent watched the while video and my memory of naruto isnt great but even then i dont see any reasson why this wont work seeing how fast they are
"I like your words funny, man."
Holy ...... Damn I was speechless when I saw this. Thank you... Just thank you
@El_Eon_ Sorry that I couldn't finish the video. I have to sleep. I have work in the morning. I will finish for sure when I can, though. I like your content.
@@tinyguy1015 hey listen as long as you enjoy the content that's fine by me but again thank you for the big dono😭
@El_Eon_ Yeah, no problem.
AYEEE We share the same Pfp, Not on here tho, On Instagram
I do love that you never seem biased and is actually honest when it comes to feats and scaling characters. I never saw you fumble. The fact you give both sides their due and explain you trying for both is great. Shows how strong each character is. Great video
@@silvertongue.242_99 I try to do my best, I know some people are going to call me bias regardless but I'm genuinely trying to be fair to both sides and when a character just doesn't have Feats that are as impressive as another character it can seem like I'm being biased when in fact I'm just calling it for what it is.
@@El_Eon_ sometime i feel like your being bais but that more a result of just how different in power level 2 character can be
Dawg i can’t tell you how much I love that fact that you speak fluent FAX
The fact that you only have 6.7k subs is crazy. Based on the content recently, it should be at least 5X that at least. It’s seriously great.
Keep making videos man❤
For a video idea:
Kaguya Otsutsuki vs One Piece Verse
Wow you are the first person to ever send me a super chat donation 😭. Honestly I might make that video soon, after I come back from a small vacation. Thank you so much
@@El_Eon_LMAO you’re welcome bro, I always like to support creators that I like to watch.
The reason I recommended that video is, Kaguya vs OP verse is a highly debated topic online, and u did kaido vs madara, Katakuri vs pain, and now this, so it would fit your theme. And it would get good views too I think😁
That I would love since there a lot of way the OP verse can win from planning a trap of using sugar ability to toyify kaguya, cut kaguya into pieces with law abilities, or age kaguya to death with Bonney fruit.
Love the idea, I think it would be cool to make one now. Then make a remaster of this idea once we get the big hitters revealed during the final War arc. Who knows, we might have Garp and Shanks in the first roster, only to be replaced by like Luffy and Zoro later.
@@TyandOnGoing I don't think one piece would be that coordinated considering how much time they spend fighting each other
One thing which always was hilarious is that shinra tensei wouldn't hurt even low tier of One Piece verse, since pushing power was shown to be much weaker than stuff OP characters can tank.
For example we can recall how Buggy was launched by Luffy's bazooka from Orange Town across the ocean and smashed into another island.
This feat was repeated on Drum Island where Luffy launched Wapol from Drum Island (which was in winter climate) to another island with another climate where he began building his new kingdom.
Can't recall shinra tensei being able to launch human body so far, so we got to the point where even Buggy can tank shinra tensei.
Its always funny to me how much of joke piece power scaling is (not in a way)
@@Theonethatjusthere But look at those FEETS BRO!!!!
But seriously, it's actually pretty solid argument when you face Naruto powerscalers who just scales one character from another. You can get a picture how can i upscale admirals from freaking Buggy.
One piece characters are just ridiculously strong. A normal human like zoro can lift buildings 5x his size
@@manlight5035If you really scale properly. Luffy has been dealing with pain level fighters since 2002, and at that time, Naruto was still searching for Tsunade. So how come people say Naruto beats Luffy when it's literally so untrue. And while Naruto was fighting Haku, Luffy already dealt with Kuro who's special attack is equal to that of cp9's Soru technique. And if we recall, Luffy at the time needed gear 2 to keep up with soru and Eneru's lightning SAS stated to move at lightspeed. So Luffy literally has lightspeed reaction since Usopp's Arc.
Misinterpretation of Naruto powerscales chakra=power in naruto.
Pain had at least half the chakra Naruto had and could barely destroy a village.....
Again pain could only make a chibaku tensei that was at least the width of a few mountains, where as madara created 21 meteors that covered an entire country, mind you, unlike pain who could barely be able to build a chibaku tensei, madara made only 21 cos he wanted, since chakra= strength and 10tails Madara was able to reach SO6Ps level in power, he should be able to pull of creating a moon sized chibaku tensei with 10 tails chakra as well unless you think 10 tails
I don't glaze, but this guy is literally the only unbiased power scaler on this platform and his content is TOP TIER
Honestly i think you are the best at doing this kind of "vs" by far, specially because how you indicate your sources and make it extremly easy to understand
@@raulparrado1547 thank you
You're really one of the best yapper in the anime/scaling community
I love that this guy has no bias to anyone, he speaks only faxs
@@Gyat_Of_Thunder thank you I made an extra effort to sound as fair as possible for both sides. I was worried because when I couldn't find a way to scale Madara's speed and had written down that Luffy could be at a lowball 900 times faster than light. I'm pretty sure that section of the video is going to get at least a few people to call me biased.
@@El_Eon_ completely understandable, Naruto's speed scaling can be oddly hard at times and one piece is a very fast verse with alot of speed feats compared to Naruto, still a great video and I love the viewer interaction
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@@Madhvik-nd9puhe scaled luffys speed for 2min to disprove madara couldn’t touch them essentially and said that they soul and body isn’t in the element not the brain or nothing huh so that the truth seeking orbs couldn’t affect them lol it was interesting but very bias 😂 some honesty in bias would be appreciated
@@anthonymoore7648 he really risregarded haku saying it is not relevant and then proceeded to reference pre timeskip kuma to scale the admirals like he dint just say narutonis irrelevant to scaling maadara
No biased; just saying “bro this is what we have ON PAPER”
Great great stuff.
Thank you that's literally what I'm going for 😂
Best powerscaler on the platform
The scaling is literally horrible, he is bias to One Piece and it’s clear as day😂
@@petarpetrov2105 he doesnt verse equalize which already destroys narutos biggest haxes that people like to wank like genjutsu and infinite tsukiyomi and funny you say bias when naruto databooks wanks the shit of naruto to multiversal and even saying guys like kakashi is omnipotent and this is just one problem in a haystack of problems naruto has.
Even the power system is completely broken by this point that it makes one piece still accurate despite having a few mishaps like logias admiral not using armament.
@@WeaponX8629 ☠️
I use to literally tell folks that the first one piece saga had Luffy and others trucking Sea monsters (Naruto summoning size beasts) with eaze😅💯. One piece isn't the highest in terms of overall strength like DBZ but it definitely has the strength advantage over a plethora of verses(MHa,JJK,Black Clover, Etc) .
Lookin at it more, yeah. Comparing the physical feats of one piece characters compared to the anime you mentioned before, the one piece world is a godamn nightmare to live in with alot of people being extremely strong
How crazy would it be If Film Z was Canon? Then you would have to add in the fact that Kizaru survived a NUKE Sized explosion, To The Face, that not only took out the entire island he was on, but It continued erupting even hours later, which means it was definitely serious, and the only reaction he had on his face was like a “That was close” look💀
@@koblestone1250 I haven't seen Film Red, but I saw a clip where Shanks nearly blitzed Kizaru. Wouldn't that be extra proof that Kizaru may have the light logia, but he is not the fastest person in One Piece considering Shanks not only intercepted his light attacks easily, but was reaching Kizaru so fast even Kizaru was kinda shook.
@@Deode-d4hShanks is a yonko without a DF and can stall Kaido from entering Marineford.
@@Deode-d4h I feel like it's the other way around. Kizaru was sent by the government to kill Uta which means he's serious and Shank's was able to blitz him meaning characters can certainly move faster than light even without powers
@@El_Eon_ Isn't that what I was saying? Shanks had at least reaction, combat, and arguably travel speed at greater than light to the point even Kizaru wasn't able to really escape/repel Shanks from approaching him. Kizaru even beamed himself back a few hundred or so feet, but still Shanks was able to reach and intercept the next barrage in an instant.
@@Deode-d4h my bad, I was replying while my cousin and I were hanging out so I probably misread your comment
Always appreciate the facts and win conditions you bring for both sides. 3 admirals against madara is just overkill.
Also light speed feats exists since foxy appeared. His beams are photons. Luffy speed been increasing since then, therefore the admirals are just beyond any naruto character speed.
I really like how you touch a hit on the otsutsuki stuff because a lot of people tend to spread misinformation about them and what they do.
if foxy wasn't canon fodder he could be one of the strongest one piece character like his devil fruit kinda of broken
He was low balling when light speed was introduced to prove a point..later on the difference in speed is
didnt foxy say something about the slow slow beam be mysterious or something he himself doesnt know so idk if its really light speed havent watched that arc in a minute
also when you say naruto charcters do you mean in boruto to or just naruto cause there the same universe
@@joshuaanderson7027 Foxy said it was a new type of photon that science hasn't discovered yet.
12:41 . In the cover story of chapter 564 ' The man who shakes the world'. Franky also felt the earth quake.
Also, there's quite a few generous assumption you made for the naruto side honestly.
Madara's Pollen:
You didn't have to say much of anything except that it can literally be resisted by willpower (see Onoki ) and the Admiral are literally weaponized willpower users (which is what haki is).
That's just an example but it was worth mentioning.
I didn't find the exact statement where Onoki said that the pollen could be resisted by willpower or maybe it was a feat itself.
I'm aware of it but I couldn't find the panel for it so I just ignored it 😅
And 2 years ago people thought I was crazy for saying that Wano Luffy would beat Sage Naruto. They thought me even crazier for saying that Pre-Timeskip Luffy would wash Part 1 Naruto. Vindicated.
Naruto stomp luffy 😂
@@YOYIOYEN in your wild dreams.
@@ivantheenigma577 kid naruto makes g5 luffy bite the curb in ultra hd 8k 240 fps😭🙏
Bro I LOVE your content bro. Everything is very detailed and always makes sense. Keep up the work gng 🙏🏾
One of the greatest weaknesses of rinnegan are "natural" forces like punches, kicks, magama, ice, etc. Simce most of its abilities only affects chakra based techniques that mimic those substances(ex: fire style is hot chakra)
@@shadowki5687 Pretty much. Which is why One Piece is suited to beating down Rinnegan users. Devil Fruits aren't energy based and elemental fruits are stated by Oda in an SBS to be the real thing. Most One Piece fighters are straight up physical monsters and powerhouses with insane durability and endurance. Like seriously, if you put a jonin level ninja in Thriller Bark Zoro's place, they will die from the pain bubble. Then we got Haki to augment both defense and offense and giving them varying levels of precognition on top of their uniquely strong physique. Or you're Kaido or Big Mom and literally built so different that your bare skin deflects most physical attacks naturally.
15:50 Marcos staments on the number of islands is valid. I can't remember the volume but he was stated is an SBS to have a backgrounds in geography and mapping and loves researching on the world's islands. I mean how many people even with the ability to fly can properly navigate the grand line like Marco.
Brooo your analysis on everything is insane and very detailed. Not many channels out there that put in the work and research, and just your knowledge on the topics alone is crazy. Very entertaining and enjoyable video. You earned a subb and definitely deserve more.
Thank you, that means a lot
Your the only powerscaler I TRUELY respect. You guve absolute facts on these matchups and I'm lovin them.
Only contentions I have with this scaling are the G2 multiplier and the “small planet” statement for Ten Tails chakra reserves.
I don’t have any contentions with using the “10 steps in an instant” to get a speed multiplier for G2, but as Luffy never specified whether all 10 steps were done by one leg, or that they were divided evenly between both his legs, I think it makes sense to lowball with the latter and assume a 5x speed amp. Not that this changes much as far as the Admirals being faster than Madara, but it probably helps with being a bit more critical of OP scaling.
As for the Ten Tails small planetary statement, given what others have pointed out I think this statement is strictly in reference to the size comparison between the water sensing spheres, and not a literal statement about the ten tails having chakra reserves comparable to a small planet.
The biggest issue with using this statement is that scalers seem to assume that the water sensing sphere was tracking all chakra across the planet at one time, even though from what I currently understand there is no evidence of this being the case. At best the sensing sphere could only portray individual battlefields at a time (ie, 4 of the Edo Kage causing most of the sphere to bubble even though they didn’t remotely have the greatest concentration of chakra on the planet), and even assuming that the sensors range was expanded I haven’t seen anything in the way of supporting statements or showings to suggest that the sensing sphere represented the planet in its entirety, which likely entails that the ten tails is not even small planetary in chakra reserves.
Otherwise, really solid video all around.
i think that it would be no? because characters like hagaromo was fighting kaguya for months and even with a little of the chakra he had left he made a moon is the ten tails really that far off from him what do you think about this
The ten tail is formed when an otsutsuki plants a seedling on a planet, the seedling will grow into a tree by siphoning the life force and energy of that planet until that planet is done for. And then they havest the chakra fruit and eat, that's how the otsutsuki are scaled to planetary and above. They literally go around planet to planet planting and harvesting.
This is consistent due to that fact that when naruto tries using sage mode to sense the ten tail what he sense was nature energy itself of the planet. That's how at bare minimum, the ten tail is planetary, not because of its size
“The ten tail is formed when an otsutsuki plants a seedling on a planet, the seedling will grow into a tree by siphoning the life force and energy of that planet until that planet is done for. ”
How much energy is that though? You say later that this is how the Ten Tails/Otsusuki scale to planetary energy, but where is that ever demonstrated? Do they absorb enough energy that the planet gets vaporized in its entirety, or is it just absorbing enough energy to the point where that planet can’t sustain life?
@@michaeldorsey9231 the literally eat fruit that contains the life force of a planet and when I mean that planet is done for I mean when it is done for literally, all life form cease to exist and die. Even in the naruto series, when kaguya planted the god tree, it was sucking up not only the nature energy and life force of the planter but also killing the humans, there was increase in the death rate with no natural cause for it. Hagoromo noticed this and saw how the people were dying and only the tree which his mother forbid him from going too seems to be thriving as he didnt even know the tree was not an ordinary tree and why his mother kaguya was obsessed with it
@@michaeldorsey9231 this is proven even further in boruto with the introduction of another otsutsuki and his introduction begins with him eating a chakra fruit and the background displayed planets that has been destroyed and the numerous shinjus that have been harvested.
I really love this channel. I've seen many videos of scaling that only relies on power level but this channel scales speed levels, hax, logic, how the character fights and the interaction of the abilities from both sides. And he backs all of this with research and evidence from manga. but as a fan of both verse I've notice an inconsistency in the speed levels of one-piece characters. For example kuzan blitzing katakuri didnt happened in the manga and there is no solid evidence that both akainu and kuzan have lightspeed. it can be argued that they are lightspeed bc they fought white beard but in the one piece verese speed is complicated lemme explain. The speed system in One Piece is a complex issue with many factors to consider. Some characters are naturally fast, while others rely on Haki or Devil Fruits to increase their speed. There are also different types of speed, such as travel speed, attack speed, and reaction speed. with that being said lets take this for example king is faster than zoro only on movement speed but zoro is faster on reaction speed and attack speed. using this example we can conclude that kuzan and akainu has comparable reaction speed and attack speed that enables them to go toe to toe with whitebeard. thats why i will say as of now their movement speed is barely speed of light or base speed of light bc there is no solid evidence yet supporting that the 2 of the admirals have speed of light. Thats enough yapping I just want to point out the misconception on One piece speed system. but admirals still take the W.
I didn't finish the video before commenting but is still think the admirals will win because their defensive abilities don't require energy at all bc they are the element itself we've seen this a lot of times heads and limbs gets chopped off but they go back to normal but since they're elements they can be countered by elements itself for example magma defeats fire. so with the right elemental jutsu i think madara would be able to damage 2 of the admirals using the right elements. Ik these is all head cannon but if the battle is to last days Madara bound to figure out what to throw at the 2 idk how he will deal with borsalino cause i dont study enough science but it really comes down to admirals haki stamina I really think that akainu only won against kuzan because of more haki reserves but if theyre gonna fight madara they would be only using advance observation bc theyre also bound to figure out madaras healing capabilities bc armament and conquerors will only be a waste of energy. so instead of ten days the admiral can also last a months. Given that madara will be throwing his strongests attacks to try and damage the admirals the month worth of chakra reserves will dwindle down a lot while the admirals are only doing elemental damage and color of observation. inevitably madara will run out of energy before the admirals does. this is all headcannon of whats gonna happen I also see a scenario where madara takes down 2 of the admiral but still loses because of borsalino. but thats enough paragraphs today
Small correction the injecting feat in the novel was by Shusui but you're still correct. It's just a description on how the sharingan works it doesn't change how genjutsu works and doesn't state that a chakra network isn't needed. Like Tayuya's song has chakra in it too which is injected into the ears, so obviously each case of genjutsu still requires a network. People just argue this so they can say "Genjutsu GG" in cross verse battles.
GENJUTSU >MIDPIECE VERSE
The King is back with another glorious video❤❤❤.
El Eon: It’s time to cook
And cook he did. Made us 34 minute buffet of a video.
@@Deode-d4h With Some Steak, barbecue chicken, and Gordon Ramsay’s perfectly cooked cheese burger.
Amazing Video and amazing work, ever since the Kaido vs 5 kage video you’re one of my favorite scalers and youtubers as a whole. Another thing you can use is that luffy should be 4x faster than light on base Sabaody and he should be 10x faster via gear 2, plus another 3x multiplier via gear 4 going of gear 2 putting luffy at 120x speed of light on Dressrosa alone. Also vid idea, what if team 7 were at wano facing off against the beast pirates replacing the Strawhats, while the Strawhats replace team 7 in the war arc against Madara, Ten tails, Kaguya etc.
El_Eon_, your power-scaling is honesty top notch. Almost everyone has bias, and you bring little to no bias. I honestly have a few video ideas:
Luffy Vs Naruto, your take would be quite interesting.
Sanji Vs Sauske.
Buggy Vs five Kage would also be interesting.
And if your comfortable with Anime’s other than One Piece and Naruto, then:
Kaguya Vs Ban the immortal (Seven Deadly Sins) If you consider any of these then thank you.
@@WingedRaChicken I'm willing to So talk about other anime but for now I just want to build a Sub base. The suggestions are interesting though and I'll definitely be jotting them down
😱 I can’t believe that got you back to me that quickly! And it makes sense that you want to make a sub base, you are fairly new. I honestly thank you for at least considering my ideas. And for Kaguya Vs Ban, I feel like ban would win, only cause of his magical ability. With it, I feel like Kaido would be fodder. Since Ban’s Magical ability allows him to steal your life force and absorb it, making him stronger. (In a fight, he used it, and birds in the air flying above, dropped dead). He did drink the holy grail, but lost it reviving his gf.
@@WingedRaChicken I've seen all of seven deadly sins so I'm aware, I just haven't scaled it so idk how fast the characters really are but once I get a good portion of the content I want to make out of the way I wouldn't mind looking into it.
I like the way you debate it's unique and great
Great video the admirals win against every other version but not ten tails Madara keep up the good work man don’t listen to the naruto fanboys writing your wrong our characters are universal blah blah
Been waiting for this peak to drop, let's go🙏. Keep up the goated content man🫡
i was waiting for a new vid like this for so long
Can you make a video about prime WB or old wb vs Madara?
@@PreciousAdeboye-m3t I can do old WB but I wanna step back a bit from the Madara videos
@@El_Eon_ ok cool
Can you make a Prime WB vs Shinobi alliance
I've been asked to do prime Whitebeard videos and my only reservation is that we only have the 1 feat with Roger who is also featless for the most part. Trust me once we get God valley and get some more concrete Feats for these characters I am more than willing to do some content on these guys.
@@gamemastery3532 That's honestly going to be a different kind of terror. Prime Whitebeard was seen doing his plate shifting just by getting angry, Idk how that works power wise, but that's just insane. Other than that, Whitebeard would probably end the war very fast. No one in the war was doing too well against Madara dropping meteors, and unlike Madara Whitebeard isn't fond of holding back. Also, the sheer destructive power of the Quake fruit makes sheer numbers almost useless.
if we include Naruto in the Shinobi alliance WB get absolutely clap
You are easily the best and most fair scaler on the internet
@@brianharris5077 thank you, I try my best
i hope you get more traction on this channel cus ur underrated
The thing with the 20 million island this was before we found out most the land sunk underneath the ocean.
That shi was crazy, as huge as the op world is its still somehow went through such a huge flood which was probaly man made and with how big it is thats insane
@@edwinquintero4020 Do you mean Marco said that before the Void century?
@@WingedRaChicken Marco doesn’t know most the world sank underwater when he said there’s 20 million Island. Now on the most recent chapters because of Vegapunk we know the world flooded and sunk most of the land for the past 800 years. In short the 20 million Island is just what is currently left of the flooding.
Any chance we could get a vid dedicated to every/most instances of power cliffing in One Piece? A lot of scalers seem to underestimate Luffy’s jumps in power through the series, or otherwise overestimate past antagonists relevance/strength compared to current arcs.
For sure, I'm planning on doing that in the future
Im glad you admit when some things can be contested
@@canned3880 nothing is 100%, some things can be interpreted differently depending on who you ask
Amazing video as always, I wanted to point one thing out though, and that is amado's statement.
There are 3 times in the boruto series where a certain energy was called chakra but wasn't chakra. This is also confirmed by these characters (Amado, Sasuke, isshiki, kurama and boruto) and the database in the official naruto website. These are the instances.
1. When naruto used baryon mode
- kurama said fusing his chakra with naruto's creates a #new #type of #energy. (However isshiki and Sasuke still called it chakra)
2. When Boruto uses Uzuhiko, Boruto stated that he uses the kinetic energy produced by the planet's rotation and orbit. But he called this energy "planet's chakra", in the database it was stated that #he #calls it "planet's chakra" but its not "nature energy" nor is it "chakra" that's just what he calls it.
Which indicates one thing, in Boruto "#chakra" seems to be the default term for "#energy". As we see with Amado, Baryon mode and Uzuhiko.
Thus the God tree sucking out all chakra in the planet, means it's sucking out " all energy within the planet, natural energy, spiritual energy, physical energy etc".
@@nobody5066 just because the energy generated from Baryon Mode or the application of Uzuhiko are called chakra it doesn't mean that Amado's statement of all life forms having their chakra stolen could refer to a different type of energy. There is absolutely 0 correlation.
@@El_Eon_ you are misunderstanding me🙏. Also I'm not talking about a "different type of energy" in life forms, it's the energies that already exists within every life form, which are #mental and #physical energy. All life forms have these two energies, stay with me.
I'm saying the God tree sucks #all the "energy/chakra" in the planet. That includes #nature energy. Which is why the planet dies afterwards. And that also includes mental and physical energies because Humans or any life form did not have chakra before Haguromo & kaguya, however nothing was said about their #mental and #physical energies, which are fundamentaly separate energies from chakra. Every life form possess both mental energy and physical energy. The God tree sucks in everything, nature energy, mental energy, physical energy and even chakra itself.
That is my point, I'm not saying life forms have a different energy out of nowhere.
@@nobody5066 doesn't god tree sucks natural energy along side with chakra of living beings ? I mean momoshiki uses 16 god tree in his dimensions on a planet, i don't think there were people's or humans living on that planet with chakra ! And i also don't think that the planet was made up of Chakra lol ! i think God tree sucks all the nature / natural energy of the planet with chakra of living beings and converts it into a Chakra fruit .
@@x_Lords-Aizen exactly 💯
@@nobody5066 That's why infinite tsukuyomi will work ! I mean chakra is a mixture of physical, mental and spiritual energy used as fuel in order to create ninjutsus, shinobi's dies if the uses all of their chakra cause they uses almost every type of energy from their body to create chakra in them and if they uses all of that then any type of energy will not left which would keep them alive, that's why chakra is the life source for shinobies. No one have Chakra or chakra system before kaguya, hagoromo uses his creation of all things or soul sword to create a world of chakra and chakra system in which everyone have chakra even in animals.
God tree sucks chakra of living beings + planet's natural energy and converts it into a Chakra fruit, Amado was referring energy in form of chakra which is also a different type of energy exists on a planet of naruto where every people possess chakra cause of kaguya and hagoromo. If God tree just sucks chakra that's mean otsotsukies are travelling in space to find planets where people lives with chakra or every planet is made up of Chakra which is not true. I personally thinks infinite tsukuyomi will work on one piece verse as madara reflects his six paths chakra through the moon light and transplants his so6p chakra into everyone to cast infinite tsukuyomi in their minds and no one can hide from it as it pierces through any physical objects and can see even through the shadows, means this man in the video which claims that IT will not work cause it's effects only Chakra users isn't true.
ur the best bro love ur videos
Another banger from blud
damn good video man you dont dissapoint ill say that
it's dope seeing you get more and more engagement these days , but something is bothering me and that's the kirin is LS databook thing, in the manga zetsu literally said it was lightning speed and that it was impossible to dodge since it moves too fast for humans but in the databooks its LS? that contradicts the source material. Lastly since we're on speed , opverse speed scaling next video?
Thank you thank you, I'm aware of the Zetsu statement since I had to reread that fight. The only reason I didn't call it lightning speed is because I was already having a hard time scaling Naruto characters to Lightspeed and I didn't want people calling me biased because I didn't use a data book statement
As for the speed scaling video I might take a little bit longer doing that because I am going on a vacation soon and I want to have another video at least halfway done before I leave and I'm still not done rereading one piece.
@@El_Eon_ oh yeah they thrive off of databook statements and i hate it
alright be safe fam looking forward to the next video whatever it is then
@@halojeff15 should be done with the script and voice over in like a day or two and the editing shouldn't take longer than a week so ya should see a video within a week and a half. I'll finish reading on my vacation so when I return it'll be the first thing I make
@@halojeff15 yeah the only time i feel like its ok to use databook statements from naruto is when the anime backs it up plus it aint hard to get them to light speed because the fodder who got some of kuramas chakra could react to daruis lighting circus he aint foder but comparing to the top tiers he aint much also that doesnt make sense for it just to be lightning speed cause a young kakashi was cutting lighting and stuff so i was confused by what zetsu said
Great content I've seen the 7 Worldlords vs the Akatsuki what are you're thoughts on that
@@Xero488 thank you, I can make the video the only thing that I don't have right now is time. In my opinion the Akatsuki don't stand a chance simply because mihawk is part of the seven the warlords. A lore accurate mihawk would blitz and one shot all of them. There's also the conversation about Obito versus any of the warlords because of his Kamui, The biggest hurdle would simply be them figuring out If they can hit him while he attempts to attack. Considering the massive speed difference especially for the stronger warlords I don't think they would find it very hard to land a hit more so them just figuring out when they need to land it.
@@El_Eon_ thanks for the reply and I agree that the warlords win
@@El_Eon_We also need to see post timeskip Mihawk and Crocodile's strength for good feats to use.
El eon uploads = happy me
ngl I wish ppl could power scale like u. ur goated man keep it up🤝 ( not glazing 💀 )
Out of pocket, but I'd love to see you cover cartoons
I could scale any cartoon as long as the people want it 😂 and how powerful the Looney Toons video would be funny.
great video!
Scaling the size of the One Piece planet based off the number of islands on Earth feels flawed. One Piece is entirely islands, where the Earth's landmass is dominated by Continents. Of course, the One Piece world would have more islands than Earth when they make up the entire landmass. Though calcs still put the One Piece planet in that 10-20x Earth range. Given that both of these options end up in that range, I am more willing to grant that interpretation.
I also think the Whitebeard destroying the world statement is hax based, not him physically striking that hard. He is utilizing his devil fruit to create a massive area of effect on his attacks. For example, if his AP was mountain level and his fruit spread the area of effect to the entire island they are standing on, it will cause way more damage than a mountain level attack.
Some of these islands are literally the size of our continents and there's over 10 times that amount. Not to mention the massive stretches of Sea between them. Also considering More recent statements in the manga most of the islands are actually just part of one giant supercontinent that's been flooded.
So are we just gonna ignore the fact that some of these islands are potentially continent in size like Alabasta?
This video was great, you're a great power scaler for both of these series and i can't wait to see more from you. Hey do you think Blackbeard already has a third fruit or do you think we'll see him get one?
He'll probably get a third one soon enough, Right now he does seem to be the weakest of the Yonko. A third fruit can definitely change that and I'm assuming it's going to be a Zoan fruit
@@El_Eon_ Yeah I do think everyone is expecting it to be a Zoan fruit. Do you think he'll have all his fruits awaken by the end of the story?
You need to use punk hazard to scale the admirals devil fruits. they intentionally held back to not destroy marine ford.
with that said...since the admirals are logia types and you stated no verse equalization. there is nothing madara can do to them. so we have a unnecessarily long video for a 1 sided battle....
Straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Goated scaler even just for the fact that you don't do verse equalization🙏
I have to disagree because several times the raikage has been mentioned to have multiple times the speed of light the data book is wrong it was translation error but the raikage has multiple times the speed of light. Ems madara has multiple times the speed of light. But great video by the way I’m for sure subbing.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I was pretty sure Kirin moves at the speed of lightning. It is a a real thunderbolt as opposed to elemental chakra. Sasuke just guides the lightning, which makes it a lightning speed attack.
It stated in the data book and I didn't want to have people call me biased because I didn't call it Lightspeed
but kakashi cutted a real lightning bolt so that doesnt make sense and this is when he was young too
@@joshuaanderson7027 Kirin wasn't a normal lightning bolt. Kakashi cut a normal lightning bolt
@@joshuaanderson7027no you don’t get it I’ll explain it like this Sasuke amped the lightning bc he has lightning affinity chakra can be used on anything no matter what if it’s organic or non organic which is why kakashi can cut a lightning bolt with chidori and not get electrocuted and non organic bc Naruto can pass his chakra through rubber balls during rasengan training chakra works on all level physical, metaphysical, mental, and spiritual
Also that for gear 4 several is not just three, it is as well 7, 8, to even 9 of which already makes luffy multiplier even bigger and this is already insane and its putting him into the 90x SOL, which is already MFTL.
Question: for the TSO ability to destroy the soul doesn’t that idea come from minato soul losing its arm? If so doesn’t that make this soul removal only work due to TSO ability to negate justu which minato was a edo when losing his arm?
Also for the aokiji blitzing cracker I’m unsure if that can be used as reliable evidence since it from the anime which isn’t entirely canon and is anime filler. I mean Aokiji still defeated cracker seemingly effortlessly since he frozen so it doesn’t matter.
Anyway great video and I think admirals take it in all forms due to their diverse abilities. As long as they have Aokiji they have the win condition of core freezing which I’m unsure if madara can break from 👍
Honestly, I had the same idea. I thought Minato not having arms isn't cause the TSO erased it, but that the Edo Tensei keeping his arms there were nullified, thus sending it back to wherever his soul rests.
@@Deode-d4hit tricky cuz I’m unsure if I can really count TSO as something that can delete souls
@@TyandOnGoing the anime is canon. The animators adding an additional scene to a fight doesn't make it less canon than the manga.
As for the Minato part, when the Edo tensei is released and his soul leaves the body he's still missing his arms so I assume that the TSO also destroyed his soul.
@@El_Eon_ Yeah, I think the only truly contentious thing about the added scene in the anime wasn't if Kuzan can one shot Cracker, but if Van Augur was actually that powerful to one shot Cracker's biscuit warriors. Those warriors were so strong, post Dressrosa Luffy was already forced into Gear 4 just to even be capable of fighting it.
@@Deode-d4h I Don't think it's contentious whatsoever, Van Augur potentially scaling above dressRosa Gear 4 Luffy makes perfect sense if you consider that they are part of Blackbeard's crew and his crew is potentially going to be one of if not the final villain so his men scaling above a much weaker version of Luffy isn't that surprising.
New sub here and Love your unbiased approach and the research you put in these videos ❤(oh and sorry but i think kabuto said he modified madara to be stronger than he was in his prime when he brought him back to life not that it makes a difference tho great video as always )
Kabuto said he modified Madara but he also doesn't know what mother's power was during his prime. He has no way of knowing.
Hashirama also said Madara was regaining his past power after he got revived.
You are a crack in this matter
The truth seeker orbs are composed of all chakra natures which should mean they can interact with elemental intangibility.
True but the question is would it destroy their entire bodies only the part of the it made contact with And would they be able to use their double fruit powers to regenerate
Elemental chakra nature is not the same as elements and I don't think the element include magma and light
@@emmanueladekunle3088 Roshi uses lava release, and several Naruto characters use light which is yin release. also truth seeker orbs have reality-warping meaning they whould be able to interact with elemntal intagibilty.
Truth-seeking orbs are not reality warping, and as one of the comments above said chakra natures are not the same as regular elements, we especially see this in boruto when jigen couldn't absorb regular fire with his karma. Zetsu also mentions that Kirin using natural lightning is many times more powerful than any lightning Jutsu.
@@El_Eon_ Reality Warping (The TSBs are partially comprised of Yin-Yang Release, which is capable of altering reality in a variety of ways) which allows for: Existence Erasure (Can erase Ninjutsu, people, and matter), Transmutation (The TSB can be altered into different states of matter, energy attacks, Chakra Receivers, and more), Shapeshifting and Size Manipulation (The TSB can be morphed into a variety of shapes and sizes), Limited Telekinesis (The TSB can be freely controlled telekinetically, up to a 70 meter radius), and Limited Power Nullification (The Truth Seeking Balls negate and erase all Ninjutsu they come into contact with, which includes energy and elemental based attacks, Edo Tensei, and Dust Release to name a few, with the exception of those imbued with natural energy and space time ninjutsu), Limited Invulnerability (Juubi Jinchūriki are impervious to ninjutsu, which includes energy and elemental attacks, with the exception of those that contain natural energy).
Nice video
Great video I know madara and admirals top tier characters are attention grabbers but would love to see some videos on more unknown characters like Tobiroppo vs ninja 7 excluding Naruto group.
@@tevinssj7609I don't know what you mean by Ninja 7, do you mean the seven swordsmen of the mist or The konoha 9 without Naruto and Sasuke?
Doflamigo vs Pain
Interesting scaling. It's really well thought out and fleshed out and it seems like you've done your at most best to be as objective as possible without resorting to faulty assumptions and fallacies unlike most powerscalers eventually succumb to and make bad compromises in massively overscaling a cast of characters and a verse with bad paradigms which they then assert. This is a lot of good standard quality detailed research. You remind of Zaelleaz and his research testing the feats of the Naruto Shippuden series he's a pretty good objective scaler as well. I like your integrity.
If I may ask you how do you think the Espada Ulquiorra Cifer from Bleach would fair in the Naruto verse against varies cast and arcs?
@@JohnLevi-t1w I have been asked about making content on bleach and while it is my least favorite of the big three and I'm not as well versed in it as I am in Naruto in one piece, I am willing to eventually make content involving it and other shonen but for now I'm just trying to get my bearings with TH-cam as a whole.
Bleach would stomp no question bleach is easily the strongest verse from the big 3
@@CircIeRB
I was specific about Ulquiorra Cifer against the varies Naruto arcs.
Teen Boruto vs 3 Admirals
@@menace7832 this one sounds interesting
Great video
Honestly, if it was 1v1s I would be fine giving Madara the dub for at least 10 Tails Jinchuriki form. All 3 Admirals at once with a clear speed advantage? Not unless we see Madara resisting being melted by magma, then flash frozen, then survive multiple high tier explosives while frozen, then can I safely give him the dub. Otherwise, no deal. Regenerating from being bisected and having near half your body blown to bits from one hit is neat, but extrapolating that to surviving whole body magma hits then being flash frozen then blown to bits is just a bit much.
yay i see it being a simpler situation to lust form full metal alchemist where his body is being destroyed faster then he can regenerate it
Madara is immortal and is fast then all the admirals
@@jasperking442 Oof, gotta try harder than that.
@@Deode-d4h oh ok so madara is MFLT+ with large planet level of ap and existence erasure, immortal, invisible clones that are as strong as him, soul stealing,
@@jasperking442 Do you have any evidence to back up your AP and speed scaling stats that this video didn't show? Cause as far as I'm concerned, feats wise, Madara is just a few times the speed of light high balled.
GOAT!!
I tend towards a higher speed meta than you, but I'd otherwise agree with the video, especially with you not arbitrarily equating Chakra and Haki.
Also on whitebeards quakes is that even those of the Sabaody felt it, franky as well. So planetary is not out of the question for him and even then, he is still multi continental without it considering one piece planet has islands like Alabasta of which is the size of australia just from the statement vivi said when they crossed the river and his rivals like Garp and Whitebeard have the physical power to split them and even chinjao can do it via his head.
Even then, op planet is still not believed and there have been many downplayers despite many statements and common sense that its just insane.
who do you think would win between katakuri and sanji
@@Theonethatjusthere I'd say Wano Sanji, both pre-genetics awakening and after. Sanji has a bit more durability than Katakuri, whilst also being a speed demon in his own right. Sanji's base Observation Haki was so good he could even counter Katakuri's Future Sight.
@@Theonethatjusthere Sanji More than likely beats caught a curry especially since his germa upgrades would make him next to impossible to hurt.
@@El_Eon_ "Caught a curry" is such a funny autocorrect if it wasn't intentional.
@@Deode-d4h I swear I double checked it, how the hell did that happen,😂
@@El_Eon_ Honestly, leave it. It's pretty funny to see anyways.
Had a thought; has there been any instances of Brook attacking and failing to damage a logia, specifically in the post timeskip era?
And if there are any instances like that, or any statements by Brook or the Straw Hats that he can’t hurt a logia, could that be a decent argument for logias being resistant to soul damaging attacks?
Nah op characters are ACTUALLY insane bro💀 it’s actually stupid
Great video man!
I really wish i could talk with you about powerscaling man!
I put up a community post where I'll be doing a stream on Sunday around 4:00 p.m. est. Pull up I'm down to talk to anybody.
Any guessing on who the fastest one piece character might be?
maybe someone like shanks or garp
@@gloopinblopin8830 I can't give that answer until we get some more concrete feats for the top tiers. Especially since Shanks vs kidd and Luffy vs Kizaru are a thing
@@El_Eon_ ayeee the goat replied! Thanks for the info bro keep up the good work! Love the vids!
Well, if we go by names, could be Lucky Roux for now. If I remembered correctly his name was inspired by Lucky Luke a cartoon character stated to shoot faster than his own shadow.
@@Deode-d4h my head canon is that its Attach as he is the one who take most of the bounty photos and the only thing more impressive then fight a really fast character is taking a photo of them while they are fighting a really fast character
I really like this dude. Keep up the unbiased takes you make as its really refreshing to hear compared to others who really are biased and are always using verse equalization and even I do as well of which is really unfair and completely biased to just one character alone and just headcanon altogether.
Cant wait as well for new videos to come out and are you as well going to do Luffy vs Naruto in the near future? Because this would be swell to see.
he said he will do naruto vs luffy as a 10k special and that a lot of people are going to get mad either way
@@Theonethatjusthere it doesnt matter if a lot of people will get mad. People will always get mad, I just want him to do that video along with many I have in mind like;
Zephyr vs Jiraiya
The Emperors of One piece, the Elder Stars or Imu itself or even better is Yhwach D Roger( ahahahahahaha) vs the higher tiers of the naruto verse like Kaguya for example along with Naruto, Obito and many more because its hard to see what is even a real statement in naruto as some of it is hyperbolic to the point it scales the naruto characters to even multiversal if taken literally whereas one piece has as well hyperbolic statements but at least, they are not universal or multiversal or whatever versal that naruto series says.
Naruto has haxes but even then, the one piece has the physicals and mentals in spades and el_eon broke it down for me very easily compared to other vs debaters who just go off and dont even care one piece has to offer and just verse equalizes and I was like this once but now, I am trying to fix it as well as i find it flawed and not respectful at all.
@@Theonethatjusthere but then again, it wll take a long time especially for the elders and imu and many more top tiers one piece has to offer but I can wait as oda seems to be again prolonging the series despite so many saying it is going to end this year.
@tc-channelhobby4051 oda did that we are in the end game of one piece and I predict that there 3-8 arcs left but could be very wrong
@@Theonethatjusthere nah, its oda. Guy even said that only marines and emperors luffy would fight and he ended up another more to the hierarchy of the already insane one piece tiers like the warlords.
But then again i have to admit thay i am just coping because i dont really want it to end without exploring the entirety of the planet like the straw hats did pre time skip, even the concepts of hollow earths is not very clear to be shown anymore which is a shame considering how large the one piece planet is.
Madara isn’t immortal, madara even says this when he fought might guy "u nearly killed me u bastard" so he can’t regen from everything he’s not fully immortal, also I’d say it’s disingenuous to say Kaguya they fought for months 😂 we saw how much damage happened with the 10 tails and were told by madara multiple times "not to waste all of the 10 tails chakra" then u have the data book saying 9 tails alone would turn the world to ash so ur telling me 3 10 tail lvl beings fought for months and the world was okay ? 😂when akainu and aokiji fought for 10 days they permanently changed the weather like at least some kind of explanation
@@insatiablehunger2138 I don't think it's disingenuous cuz it's a statement coming directly from the anime. I'm also aware of the Madara being nearly immortal since I brought it up in my kaido versus Madara video. I just forgot to add it to the script. As for the world being okay after the months-long Clash from 3 10 tails level beings, They likely controlled the output of their attacks as to not destroy the planet itself but that's just my own personal head Canon.
all of those stat are hyperbolic
@@El_Eon_yah as a fan of both it takes a stupid about power to bypass jubie madara regation
Damn mid piece meat riding your whole body I think so.😂
Can you do gaara vs crocodile
@@tinhlun2842 I can cook something up!
With the infinite tsukuyomi no longer working on Kaido does that mean that madara no longer has a realistic wincon against him?
he could win if kaido can't kill him but think he's stronger then night guy if you don't think that then it's a battle of who tires out first
Pretty much tbh. Madara still has soul stealing shenanigans but it's very unreliable especially since it's a slow process.
it still works as he even made this clear in the vs video.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 no it doesn't the only reason he thought it would is because he couldn't find a statement that said all living thing in the naruto verse have chakra but now that there is one there is no reason to think that it work different form any other genjutsu and genjutsu needs chakra which one piece character don't have
Madara oneshots him bro be fr
I know you probably do match ups from polls in your community and I haven't been watching long but I would find an explanation and in depth battle between Rock lee vs cp9/0 very entertaining.
@@easyevil5943 I take comment ideas as well. That's not a bad one
@El_Eon_ Argee at what point do you think sanding surpass lee
@@El_Eon_ thnx for taking my suggestion, I hope it won't be too much of a request power scaling actual power instead of hax abilities.
It depends….
Bro can you do one about a "what would happen" if Saturn was the villain of some Naruto Shipuuden arc? For example, Saturn vs all of Konoha in Pain, or in the final war?
@@Castro7676 I could probably make up something with all the five elders. I just like to wait until I get a couple of more images from them so I can sub out the ten tails. But it is an interesting video idea.
@@El_Eon_ I appreciate it bro, either way I know the video will be great 👌
I didnt think that the admirals were capable of fighting juubidara... but then the speed gap was just... astonishing. Ive known zoro dodged light as early as thriller bark, but that absurd 900x light speed boost from luffy since sabaody and how admirals are capable of reacting to that speed... How is one even gonna scale madara to 900x ftl!? Especially when juubidara had trouble fighting a just above relativistic naruto and sasuke? Admirals even have future sight to add, so it will take more than just equal speed to actually tag them! And thats assuming there IS a way to prove madara is massively relativistic. And to add one piece characters also have defense bypassing and durability ignoring attacks! Im done... one piece has now officially passed naruto shippuuden.
@@mlmf2012 I'm going to be honest with you when I first started making videos I had reservations about even implying that The one piece verse may be stronger than the Naruto verse but the more I've been making videos and the more I've been trying to scale it I'm starting to come around to that conclusion.
@@mlmf2012 Honestly, Naruto's big weakness especially against One Piece is speed. Most of the Naruto Shippuden top tiers cap out to relativistic to a few times the speed of light high balled. Even the stronger forms as you've seen in the video have pretty dubious higher speed scaling. In One Piece from Skypiea to Sabaody has some of the clearest increasing speed scaling I've seen. And with Luffy's Gears makes it easy to track how much the scaling is in post time skip with all the references to Luffy being blitzed by stronger opponents in his faster forms.
@@Deode-d4h thats the thing. If such relativistic scaling already existed literally NINE HUNDRED chapters ago(luffy dodging photons), then why does most of the vs community not acknowledge it!? There was even a time most people believed pain would low diff dressrossa zoro, and you would be laughed at believing the opposite! Heck there are still people today who believe current wano zoro loses to pain. Its just perplexing that such scaling existed but no one took the time to analyze it for what it really is.
@@mlmf2012 One of the biggest counter points I see to why people refuse to acknowledge light speed feats in One Piece is labeling it as "aim dodging" and saying "Kizaru is fastest and he is light so One Piece capped at light speed".
Both arguments being fairly easy to debunk.
@@mlmf2012 I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people wouldn't accept it. Some just don't like lightspeed scaling cause real world logic and physics. Some just don't believe the speed scaling of One Piece or have never seen One Piece. Some just don't want Naruto characters to lose because that's what they love and cherish. I mean, generally speaking, people who have seen most of One Piece are more likely to have seen Naruto as well, but the reverse isn't the true.
I understand the chakra argument, buuuut it makes vs battles less fun by basically just taking away a large portion of a given characters kit. Such as using any character from bleach making them insta neg anyone from another verse just from soul pressure. I think it’s a lot more fun to ask the question what if Madara uses genjitsu would the admirals have an answer would it matter? Its just more interesting that way I think.
Note I still think the admirals have basically every advantage stats wise I just want to know what they would do about the hax.
I get what you're trying to say, but I think of it like this. If an attack targets the opponent's eyes and the character they're fighting doesn't have eyes. Then that attack shouldn't work. Similarly, if an attack manipulates Chakra in a chair network and their opponent doesn't have one then that attack also shouldn't work. It would be unfair in a sends to save the attack should work. I can get behind stuff like soul absorption working because there's nothing that implies that souls are exclusive to the naruto verse but When something requires a physical organ, then I think it's different. Even still, madara doesn't use genjutsu that much. So I wouldn't say you're taking away a core part of his kit.
@@edisdnilb2501 I completely understand this sentiment, however allow me to push back a bit. Like the comment above mentioned, Madara doesn't use Genjutsu that often. In another video I did the math and if you take away Genjutsu and the other abilities that require the opponent to have chakra then he only loses out on less than 8% of his overall tool kit which isn't really that bad.
Personally I also find Genjutsu boring, it's one of those things that people use to argue once a character gets caught in it... it's GGs, like Bleach's soul crush.
@@El_Eon_funny enough bleach and one piece can be verse equalize because of how similar there power systems.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 I don't think the power systems are even remotely similar
eyy its up
Love this !!!!
Naruto Ngl has gotta has some of the misperceived speed in the big 3 people really take unquantifiable amps and run with it also something I wanted to mention with the Marco thing is that isn’t Marco also a navigator? Which makes him a credible source?
let's go
You know this fight, if it ever happens, reminds me of when Shiki stormed marineford with Garp and Sengoku.
Madara would lose but the destructione would be very evident if Madara was instead given Haki and one piece physical and mental power considering his haxes are useless because naruto, for all of its haxes, ignored its physical and mental powers that even one piece still has to this very day and it shows very well in the naruto war and onwards.
Seriously, even chakra is retconned as now existing everywhere instead of being an alien power in the first place, kinda like the force power of star wars ignoring legends as the force was spread via war and death via an alien empire though i forgot its name which is a bummer but understandable as it is has been some time since i look into legends.
1. I interpreted EMS Madera as planetary because you need Chakra relative to whatever you summon in Naruto. So Madera summoned a full Nine Tails while covering it with a full Susano. Would grant him planetary scaling in my opinion.
2. I wasn't aware of the size of the One Piece world. Because I'm illiterate, I only pull up for fights. I also assumed that DF scaled to the user's power. I wasn't aware of better DFs.
3. By your scaling the power tier in the Big 3.
Should be:
1. Bleach
2. One Piece
3. Naruto
Godamn, the Naruto fans can't catch a break. First Boruto now this!
Lol😂
W video
Not only did Whitebeard not beat Akainu, he got so absolutely destroyed in head on confrontations that he was basically a walking corpse. He needed a surprise attack to deal any significant damage and Akainu still tanked his strongest attack and came out ready to fight all of his commanders that were left + Crocodile. This might've been the dumbest thing I've heard you say so far.
After fighting Whitebeard Akainu needed to recover, after fighting Akainu Whitebeard just continued his onslaught and defeated Blackbeard in process.
Akainu also was using sneak attacks making Squard backstab Whitebeard and attacking Whitebeard during his heart attack, Whitebeard just paid him with the same coin.
@@manlight5035 lmao "needed time to recover". No such a thing as a provided time frame or indication of it in any statement in the manga. For all we know, it could've been 10 seconds and still, I will repeat myself, he went on to barge through all of the commanders left and Crocodile while Whitebeard's death was inevitable. Also, he did not "defeat" Blackbeard, what are you yapping about ☠️
@@ugene77 Akainu appeard on battllefield only after Whitebeard died, so all the time while he was fighting marines, destroying Marienford and owning Blackbeard making him beg for mercy and screaming for his team to save him, Akainu was recovering.
And Akainu didn't even defeat any commanders so this feat after recovering doesn't scale him higher than Whitebeard, lol. You are the one who is yapping.
@@manlight5035 embarrassing bias lol, making Blackbeard beg for mercy is a feat? The biggest coward in all of one piece? Also, made him beg by standing menacingly literally half dead lmao ☠️☠️☠️ not by fighting him. You just keep taking things out of context buddy and stick to only watching the anime 😭. Also, as I said twice lmao, no time frame was provided and the longest sequence there was Whitebeard's speech, so Akainu was at best "recovering" for a couple of minutes, unless he has Marco level regeneration, there is no way that attack dealt significant damage to him lol as he wouldn't be able to recover so fast, much less come out with a bruise only ☠️
@@ugene77 whitebeard was old with cancer, and also usopp is mote cowardly than blackbeard.
Agreed, I don't agree with Naruto characters being plannetary , but great video
EMS Madara/Edo Madara(hypothetically not immortal) should be above any single Admiral.
But obviously without the Nine-Tails all 3 Admirals would mid-high diff him
But EMS/Edo Madara with Nine-Tails vs 3 Admirals is probably an extreme diff either way
Revived Madara should mid-high diff the 3 Admirals
But the thumbnail shows Juubidara who annihilates the OP verse
Nah he can't obliterate the op verse he's to slow
@@AljoevincePerez
Op caps at ls movement, Naruto surpassed ls movement back at KCM1. Juubidara blitzes the verse
@@thmistrapillay1811 no it doesn't kizura is shown to Accelerate past the speed of light
@@Theonethatjusthere no he's _never_ done that
@@Theonethatjusthere and even if you wanna pretend that he has:
1. Not by much at all
2. Doesn't help the rest of the verse who are all slower than him
My fav powerscaler❤❤
Yo naruto verse speed is so inconsistent while one piece speed is much more consistent which ir really verse battles between these verses to hard
I hope you cooked this time, buddy.
Edit: Yep, you did. Great job.
No bias this time.
You know I was really trying to not sound biased with this one😂
I think the admirals one shot, If you think about it if might guy was 2d Stronger he wouldve probaly killed madraa, and i think the admirals can achieve that AP with how fast they are Tbh i havent watched the while video and my memory of naruto isnt great but even then i dont see any reasson why this wont work seeing how fast they are