Ok so I’m sure many will immediately skip the disclaimer which is only 30 seconds long. If you comment anything that could have been answered by simply looking at the disclaimer I will not reply to it.
Great vid, question, how do you feel about observation haki countering genjustu. I would assume the very definition of observation haki counters it, considering that a basic sharingan could provide some resistance to it
@@avoidgel1685 verse equalization would have to be applied since basically every character that isn't from Naruto would be immune to Genjutsu. But I think that if the Genjutsu does work they could probably still sense where the opponent is and what they would do since it isn't reliant on the 5 senses
@@El_Eon_ Bra you did alot of things wrong not only did you use the lowest interpretation of narutos speed to get One piece higher But the thing showing the One piece planet with moons and such also really exists in Our world at a time we're people thought everything revolved around the earth you can even see pictures of it on Google that's what Oda was inspired by the One piece planet ain't that. Big thirdly you used Off scaling for kaido which is scaling kaido higher than weaker characters or relative characters feats but you did not do the same for the naruto verse interms of Ap or shit you just used fucking calcts Madara using selective gravity to pull a meteor from outer space is calcts to planetary levels of kinetic energy and even half of the ninetails being stated to have the power to turn the world to ash are we serious kaido gets stomped stop praising him
@@p_rnhubnah, its just it's category being a fish isn't really a part of the fruits awakening cycle; an example would be the cat cat fruit model leopard, or ox ox fruit model giraffe. Both didn't need to be their base animals, they are just classifications. ( Which would also explain why momonosuke immediately was a dragon, rather then being a fish.)
@@p_rnhub yeah No. So much for Uchiha's being normal human. If you think about it. Uchiha is no different than Oni or other races in fiction. I think that assessment is not a good assessment. Uchiha is no different than Oni or heck might has far more natural potential than normal oni's😅
Hate people being so negative in power scaling. It’s fun no matter who you like more. I’d hope if you’re clicking on the video, you like both One Piece and Naruto, and aren’t just clicking on it to defend your favorite series. I think it’s especially stupid to complain about cross series power scaling, as it will have literally no effect on the characters in their overall stories
I 100% appreciate the disclaimer! Can't wait to watch the whole video, I'm a make my prediction and just so ya know even tho Madara is my favorite anime villain all time, kaido is my favorite one piece villain thus far. I got my money on Madara but this should be a real tough fight. Edit: Alright so this is after watching the whole thing I'm feeling some type of way that 😅 your saying Madara wins cuz of hax and he cant keep up with Kaido but at the same time ngl a lot of it made sense tho i disagree. I think Kaido definitely has more strength than him but speed i feel there at the very least relative to each other. Then Madara has his hax and kaido has his strength and they both counter act each other in that way. Madara wins if he's fullpowered 10 tails sage mode for sure. Any other form i would have to agree with you that kaido wins tho i still think it would be a tough match up for kaido but kaido wins mid to high dif. Imo. Yo I'd like to say you made a great vid I'm a follow your channel just cuz how well thought of this video was and I'm so glad your not one of those bias youtubers that just picks one piece or naruto as the winner bc of bias. Thanx for that i really enjoyed it!
based on current reveals and overall one piece world building, Oda 100% planned on the One Piece world to be massive (explains the world sinking, wild seasons/weather, the red line being massive, original wano being submerged, etc...)
8:04 7- Madara can nerf your resistance, this was already demonstrated when he weakened himself so as not to tank his meteor. And the tsunade attacked a clone of him
I mean back when they were younger it actually was a close fight, the only reason moria is weak now is bc Kaido beat him, but they were closely matched
@@boxlad7583 That still messes me up thinking Moria was somehow at any point in the story close to Kaido. It's still wild knowing how trash Moria is in Thriller Bark.
@@pep4338I agree, but at the same time moria was also young and not in his prime, he just stopped training and lost his will after Kaido beat him. If moria kept training he could've had advanced armament and future sight by now and he would actually be Yonko commander level at the very least
18:34 this is a fantastic point that most people don’t make. Kaido loves to fight, but not in the way of respecting his opponent and letting them pop off. He goes 100% from the start and is happy if they survive.
This is not top tier scaling. He didn’t really account for any verse equalization at all. And the “they’re in character” is just a massive cop out imo.
I'm not gonna lie, no one does Naruto vs One Piece as well as you. I watched your Kaidou video twice because it was so well made and the humor got to me. 😂😂😂
@@hlua_bawitlung3829 I've watched One piece you can see the stupidity in here the Entails itself when the ninja alliance was sensing it's power it was shown already to be the size of a small planet Then Madara absorbed that and added power from nine and eight tails plus sage mode which is a huge 100 to 10 times multiplier and the nine tails itself being stated twice to have enough power to turn the world to ash And kaidos strongest One time attack is calcts by himself to be a small planet level power So how is kaido beating Madara when his outstated
I'm only 7 minutes in but you've clearly put a lot of in-depth thought into analyzing sources and comparative values. Props to you my guy, this video is very well-done.
27 minutes in now, and I have some additional remarks. I believe the fact that Might Guy was able to destroy the truth-seeking orbs and not be injured is because he had an aura of intense chakra (red). Similarly, the orbs in the fights of Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya were destroyed because of interactions between 6 Paths Chakra/Sage Mode Chakra. Hence, I actually think Kaido would be unable to deal with Madara's TSO. Furthermore, I think the final form of Madara, even if blitzed and reached by Kaido, would not succumb to death purely via blunt force and pummeling. Madara has many defensive techniques on top of the Human Path to extract the soul, and even in his weaker forms (the past two you talked about), he displayed massive feats of pure strength such as completely overpowering the Tailed Beasts that weigh tens of gigatons. Pulling from the VS Battles Wiki that you cited a few times, they are each listed at category 5-C, which is quite interesting. However, due to the nature of how impervious and specific someone must be to deal with Jubidara, I would ultimately declare him the victor in most confrontations with Kaido. Yes, as mentioned at 27:00, TSO should one-shot Kaido.
One more thing, as you addressed a lot of what I said in your final few questions. You mention Madara may need a controller plugged in to properly hit his TSO or human path soul extraction, but I would instead argue Madara is an extraordinary genius in terms of learning amidst battle and chakra control/techniques (stated on VS Battle as well). Having this higher battle IQ would allow him to manipulate Kaido into being encircled or trapped by the TSO and inevitably hit, or at the very least stalled long enough for soul-extraction to begin. Furthermore, if we apply TSO's properties of being indestructible without being interacted with by 6-Paths chakra, then Madara can theoretically mega-expand the TSO to simply reach Kaido, or shield himself indefinitely.
@@RoboShaoran You know I have a personal rule that I'm going to enforce my next video onward but in this case just cuz you seem to have a very level take about this and I appreciate it. I'm going to let you know. I think I just figured How strong Luffy actually is. I'll have to put a lot of thought into this one. But here's the thing I don't disagree that Madara can win. I'm cool with either answer. But saying that his battle genius or whatever is going to get him out of this is disingenuous because it doesn't consider that Madara and Sasuke both have the same pattern of EMS. That told him a lot about Sasuke, and he did figure out that they had six paths powers but that didn't help him much. He got blitzed by Sasuke while understanding how Sasuke fights and with SP senjutsu. Their fight never hunted at him being ahead of them. He was running away after he fought out he couldn't win with his second rinnegan. And even then Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything he threw at them. They were never in a bad position or out of control. And as I mentioned we never saw his full strength so you can't argue for a hypothetical. Only for what's given. In his strongest quantifiable form 2 Rinnegan 10 tails Madara is still only weaker than Kaguya and so are Naruto and Sasuke, the best argument you can make for Madara is that he's relative to Naruto and Sasuke who still high diff struggled with Kaguya with Help from DMS Kakashi. Kaguya. Madara is weaker than that and I don't believe he could figure a specific situation to deal with a power system that he's never even heard of or would have any idea of how it works. Kaido would just be a guy that can see in the future, he still has to dodge or block his hits. When they are faster. And he hits about his hard. I'm giving Madara everything. I just don't see how he gets out of this.
@@El_Eon_ Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your clarification in some of the sentiments! I've been talking it over with some friends and it might come up in a future podcast down the road if we ever do one, as this was an interesting topic. I agree that Madara is likely disadvantaged but maybe my personal bias just wants him to win a little bit more...that being said, Kaido IS Him. Hope your personal stuff was taken care of smoothly and I look forward to future vids!
@RoboShaoran -you know guy never touches TSO if he touch them then he will be erased from the existence, that wasn't might guy who broke TSO, that was kakakshi who made a hole inside TSO by kamui and guy just went through it and break madara's backbone and then he lost to maintain his TSO cause guy just come out of the blue and break his bones and madara's whole body is made up of six path chakra and sage mode that's the reason why TSO was destroyed cause these are the weaknesses of TSO, they just have two weaknesses sage mode and 4D attack potency which can manipulate 4D space just like kamui, kaido will be neg diff by TSO and these aren't the all abilities of madara, also madara tanked teen naruto puch with some of his TSO defence while being almost died from night guy and that puch of teen naruto made cracks on the god tree and then also survived easily from lava style rasenshuriken which totally cut and destroyed the god tree and i tell you that god tree contains almost planet level durability, i am not seeing kaido having that much of strength or AP and bypassing this even with any type of his haki and most of this video's statements can easily be debunked and the list of madara's abilities will be continue.
Kaido wasn’t called the “strongest creature” for nothing or the phrase “It’s it’s 1v1, always bet on Kaido” Kaido is the only person so far shown fighting on par and getting the better of gear 5
@@aceclover758PTS One Piece was not gearing up to be this strong except for when WB shifted tectonic plates/the entire ocean, when Kuzan froze the entire ocean, WB can crack an island in two, Akainu can tank said punches, BB gaining WB's power albeit weaker. Other than the Marineford war, OP was never that strong. (Closest you can imply is Croc actually awakened and effected all of alabasta which is calculated as the same size as Australia).
@@mr.bubbletea6428 bro one piece planet is estimated to be 100+ times bigger than ours and you have island busters all around with the islands being countriy sized in their verse, and somehow only naruto fans like to try high balling everything they see into planetary
Kaido really be that late game fed Nasus with over 1000 stacks. The moment he gets you, you die or lose 80% of your health instantly. That's Kaido in league terms.
This was a very good breakdown. You don't see many people power scaling one piece outside the verse, but once you do the scale of their battles is absolutely massive. In Naruto the 5kage get overwhelmed by a meteor, meanwhile one piece characters are dealing with them in dressrosa. Kaido is truly built differently
You are actually good at power scaling, most people just glaze which anime they like more and wont accept when their anime character is weaker, but this is actually really accurate, and i don't see any bias.
@@simpledude6969 it's been 2 weeks+ now, i don't remember this video, also, madara will win and if you don't believe this then just know the powerscaling, abilities and hax of madara.
This is probably my favorite video comparing Naruto and One Piece. This was incredibly fair and unbiased, and you've honestly earned my sub for the sheer amount of effort you put in
@@scottiecurrie7927 We both know that kaido is getting shit smacked litterly he used off scaling for kaido and calcts for naruto characters Off scaling is basically saying a certain character is above a certain character so that should go in speed and strength Why was he biased at the end of the video he stats kaidos strongest attack is about small planetary level Why is this Bad because the sheer Chakra pool of the ni Tentails was almost as big as the entire planet of naruto and that wasn't even it at full power Than Madara gets it and adds the eight and ninetails to his collection what do you think will happen
In my opinion, verse equalization simply does not work within the context of versus battles. I get that some may make the argument that it does at least for some specific scenarios, but ultimately it puts the characters in a disingenuous position. Not to mention that it then creates many arguments based on head canon.
@@El_Eon_but without verse equalization verses battles are pointless. How can you put a bleach character against another character without verse equalization? Because it would not be possible to see or sense them unless you’re one of them or if they let you see them. Verse equalization is good in verse battles because it levels the field. All you literally have to equalize is their power system. E.g mana=chakra, cursed energy=chakra.
@@DiepreyeMoses you don't need verse equalization for any of those examples. Plenty of characters in other verses can see and interact with spirits and the soul like Naruto, DB, Yuyu Hakusho etc. You can also just have a stipulation that says character A can see and interact with the bleach character. It's not good for versus battle because it doesn't equal the playing field. I already mentioned it to the other guy. It gives one person a massive advantage and more than likely doesn't give any advantage to the other or even worse can put them at a disadvantage. It also makes a bunch of arguments that now have to be made out of head canon. Would Gojo's eyes inform him about how bleach characters Zanpakuto work even before Bankai is used? Because he can do that with CTs. Would Madara or Pain be capable of absorbing Haki attacks or Devil fruit attacks? Because Haki and DFs aren't the same and only one of those can equal chakra. Can Haki force you out of Genjutsu? There is no way to argue any of these without it being an argument based on headcanon. Starting to get my point Verse equalization does not work
@@El_Eon_Similarly, though, many power systems allow you to suppress another via possessing more of some energy than another (like basically killing people through virtue of having more reiatsu) than another. I think rather than being disingenuous, verse equalization is just another discussion entirely; at least that’s how I see it. Sure, you could talk through the nitty gritty of what would work and what wouldn’t when comparing two different power systems, but that in-of-itself is merely a form of attempting to integrate two different power systems together.
@@El_Eon_ I think in certain situations, Equalization can work, because otherwise it just makes the versus battle boring, in said situations. An example I like to use are logia DFs from One Piece. Because the user of the fruit is immune to almost all forms of damage, except in specific situations, like being wet for Crocodile, rubber for Enel, or something hotter than the flames produced by the Mera Mera no Mi for Ace/Sabo, as well as Haki in general. Verse Equalization makes the fruit user be able to be hit by characters that don't have a way to use the elemental weakness of the fruit, but have acces to something similar to Haki, which is most anime characters. Another example is Percy Jackson, compared to the JJK Verse. Percy Jackson's main weapon is his sword made out of Celestial Bronze. Weapons made of Celestial Bronze can only harm monsters, gods, and demigods, but don't do anything against normal humans. He still can harm normal humans in other ways, like using water manipulation, but without Equalization, he loses his main form of offense. Using Equalization, where Percy's sword can hit users of Cursed Energy, the matchup is a lot fairer. (That being said, Percy still loses, he has no answer to someone like Sukuna or Gojo)
No way an attack that couldn't destroy Onigashima is small planetary attack. Luffy's banjrank clash with Kaido's attack should obliterate the island if it was what you calculate it to be. But all we saw where shockwaves that weren't that big. When Minato teleported Ten tails bomb to a far away place, the shinobi alliance still felt the shockwave. No way an attack of small planetary level would produce such small waves. And if it were planetary, Kaido going through the Island should destroy the Island. I feel feat scalers try to apply physics to scenes where they bring about a lot of assumptions and omit newtons third law.
The Bajarang Gun was going to destroy Onigashima, that's why Momo had to get it out of the way. Comparing a bomb explosion to the clash of two attacks that don't have an area of effect beyond their designated target isn't exactly an equal comparison. Kaido went straight through the ground and kept traveling till he hit magma.
@@El_Eon_ and that is exactly what I'm trying to say. These are two attacks that are calculated to be small plant. The speed and strength of these attacks, upon collision should create a massive shockwave due to the release of the high pressure air. For a small planetary attack, these shockwaves should be really felt. I believe even the island should have shook. But there was nothing like that. From a scientific point, it doesn't make sense, except we don't scale those attacks to planetary. If shockwaves of merely offensive grenade could hurt, shouldn't shockwaves of small planetary attacks have significant impact?
@@kweku_tate07 The issue I'm having with this assessment is that you're inputting too much real world logic. You got to remember that this is a world where people can eat fruits that can turn them into elements and animals. If you apply enough scientific logic to it, they shouldn't be light speed, Luffy shouldn't be capable of applying the qualities of rubber onto solid objects around him, the samurai and leftover fighters should be burning up from the intense heat that kaido's flame dragon bagua generating considering the proximity. There's A lot of things that don't make sense if you're trying to apply real world scientific logic. It's fiction, You can argue, for example that the Indra's arrow and tailed beast rasenshuriken explosion should be way larger and more destructive considering the two people that threw them and the fact that the two people that threw them are stronger than the 10 tails but All they did was create a crater larger than the one Hashirama made. You'll have an easier time accepting a couple of things in fiction if you don't try to apply real science to everything. That being said, I only claimed that if you want to accept the calc as a planetary feat, then you can do so. It's not exactly something that needs to be accounted for. The only reason why we use calcs is to quantify how powerful these attacks would hypothetically be if real world math is used.
@@El_Eon_ I totally agree with you on this, we can't apply absolute scientific logic to fictional movies. But you see, in the context of vs battles, there are always going to be bias esp of different verses. An example is how some Naruto fans scale the god tree to planetary just because it absorbs chakra of all living beings on earth. At to a certain degree, they might be right. And in that situation, it makes Naruto's lava rasenshuriken a planetary attacks. But that is clearly bullocks imo. So to me, so far as we aren't using enough real life logic, some of these vs battles are actually meaningless which is why I've always not been a fan of scaling feats. But great video, much respect to your research and effort to stay neutral as much as possible
@@kweku_tate07 I Don't know if I completely agree with the idea that versus battles are inherently meaningless. To an extent, yes that is true. However, I think they are interesting thought experiments when done properly. Obviously there's always going to be a certain amount of bias regardless of a person, but even then if done in a "proper way" then an argument can be made for any two characters battling it out. My biggest problem with the versus battle community as a whole is just the explicit bias that some people seem to have when it comes to their favorite characters or stories. I don't understand how some people can look at some facts or information as it's presented and always make excuses just because they can't or don't want to see their character lose. It's not the end of the world and power scaling as a whole is an ever-changing meta. I for one and someone that believes that the one piece verse is catching up to the Naruto versus in terms of power, but whether or not Luffy can beat Naruto is not something that ultimately means anything. Whether or not the end of one piece ends up having characters that are more powerful than Naruto characters is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Both stories are fantastic for their own specific reasons.
The last thing I should mention is TSO Their weakness is senjutsu, Sasuke and kaguya had senjutsu to break them. Not only that TSO are also "Space-Time" but looking at the kanji they are only separate "space" as stated by Zatsu. And Guy didn't break a TSO, They broke because they came in contact with madara, kamui opened up a hole in that TSO, Guy went in and punched madara and madara came into contact with his own TSO (and because they are weak to senjutsu, of which madara had) they broke.
@@nobody5066 I think what the guy is saying is that once Guy was inside the TSO with Madara, Guy used Madara's body like a Senjutsu glove to break the TSO from within using his own strength.
Bro i recently make little research and find that 10tails have enough power to destroy whole albasta wano marinford etcand can defeat any non logia like kido expect luffi with ease or lufii maynot survie this Ok hear is proof Dei dara himself told that the diameter of hus strongest bomb is 20 km in dia meter in manga 9tail bomb =all5tail beast bomb comboned Ok i think biju bomb must stronger then that deidara bomb but u can consider as equal or less then it no problem as it not stated dedara bomb can destroy half of albasta with ease so u can compare how strong will biju bomb will be MOST IMPPRTANT part is kisimoto draw a monga pannel where explosion created by 10 tail bomb and creater created all tailed beast is showen In that pannel it is clearly can be seen that area cover by 10 tail bomb is 50 to 100 bigger then normal tailed beast bomb all blast area are too small to see in lowest ball mean it atlest 200km but it must be greater then 1000km at low ball as it was blast on another continent And its height is insane if 9tail bomb blast height is 1 cm them it will be at least 40 cm and u can see cloudes floting at its foot mean it cross tropospere and go exospere or atlest thermospere mean at low ball it will be at least 500km high but it normally will be 4000km high Before u told it all are head canon iwant to say first see the image u can by youself intersept how big is the bomb is just as lufii is continetal by destrying dressrossa If u find mistake then u can tell me uwill hear if iam wrong And most important thing is it was the smallest bomb of 10 tail u can make it bigger like obito So in conclusion iwill say if madera throw that small bomb then whole wano will destroy with easr and some big island of one piece also destroy with ease if not then big vesion is enough And kaido cant survive blast of that level nither wb roger and u have a doubt for luffi And tos orb can handle 4giant version of it so kaido cant brake it Iit also prove naruto world must be bigger then we think
I really like the quality of the video and information not to calc heavy like a physics class but more grounded and enjoyable to watch nice I will be adding this channel to my must watch
I read the disclaimer but, I think the scaling is good except for the speed. Obviously neither character is ACTUALLY lightspeed and in reality they are probably similar speed. So the excuse of "kaido is speed of light so he can dodge any attack that isn't speed of light" is kind of a bs argument imo.
(Also just because your TOP speed is calculated at lightspeed doesn't mean you are always moving at lightspeed, so by your argument of them trying to enjoy the fight they probably wouldn't be at lightspeed dodging attacks)
@@tristangettingtickled49 I made a whole video on why characters can move at Lightspeed. The tldr images that they can because the author said so. No matter how one chooses to argue if the author keeps making light speed Feats and statements then they're light speed.
@@lmperator it makes perfect sense, fiction doesn't follow the same logic that the real world follows. If the author says something is Lightspeed then it's lightspeed.
Insane quality and very enjoyable to watch. Since i havent watched Naruto ive found it hard to scale it compared to the One Piece verse. But this video and "Kaido vs 5 Kage" video, paints a really nice picture.
Interesting video. Personally I wouldn't use vsbattle as a valid source of information. They have made huge mistakes due to misconceptions in the past and some characters still get wanked to this day. It's also good to post your sources so they may be analyzed for accuracy and potential scrutiny due to potentially needing to correct mistakes.
@@arslanabbasi888 For a general idea of how some of the site users views the character, sure but it's still safer to do your own information gathering and try to be as objective as possible without assumption. I just checked and a city level character is still scaled to universal due to a misconception. This could be biased due to the small sample size so I checked a few more random characters I thought of and most seemed fine. The issue is when you use a wrongly scaled page or one that's controversal. You end up mindlessly regurgitating false information or outlier feats that really shouldn't have happened and the character doesn't scale near to that end in the future or consistently. EDIT: Forgot to add that video game characters has been scaled incorrectly too since gameplay may not be accurate to the lore or in general media there is gag scenes or visuals/wordings used to hype up a move/character.
if madara is affected by kaidos COC it’s over immediately if kaido gets trapped in infinite Tsukyomi it’s over immediately idk how kaido would deal with limbo clones… 10 tails madara is stupidly powerful. but until madara gets 10 tail… idk. he doesn’t have the output to damage kaido or really enough defense to withstand a barrage from kaido. even with 9 tails in susano… its not really fair for madara. we don’t even know his EMS ability… which would be a major factor in the fight.
I love your channel and its crazy seeing the Naruto fans don't their best to downgrade kaido and over hype madara loke they always do. Naruto and One Piece are comparable but One Piece charecters are stronger and faster, naruto charecters judt have way more haxs
Truth be told, I would say that the Naruto verse is still way stronger than the one piece verse especially if you include the boruto era. Kaguya does scale above anything that any of the characters in one piece can do so far. But I'd say one piece is catching up
@@El_Eon_ just finished the video , love the fact you didn't downplay either side besides genjutsu not working, which i agree with but i think even if genjutsu works haki is a 6th sense and can still souls/spirits without sight and can outright neg abilities Devilfruit powers are actual abilities which change dna etc. Also lastly nature based elements are stronger than charka based things for example kirin is actually lightning not charka based lightning so its superior and the same for standard fire and charka based fire like fireball jutsu for example I'm saying that to say kaido elemental control is more devastating than madara own based off of narutoverse lore on average and basically at both peaks. 10/10 video bro
@@halojeff15 yeah there's a whole argument that could be made that Kaido would also be immune to infinite tsukuyomi IF it's true that the cats and all other life forms also have chakra but I couldn't find any info on that in time. As for the way chakra and natural elements interact, it's interesting because they can even affect Otsutsuki characters like Jigen granted he was at the weakest point possible.
@@El_Eon_ true isshiki was weakened at the time but will you do a luffy vs naruto video one day? i feel like it's played out but i am interested in your take , also outside op and naruto would you do other verses? like jjk, aot or bleach? it would be dope if you did a big 3 video as well.
@@halojeff15 I may do Luffy vs Naruto after a sub goal! My reason being that It's been an internet debate for a while now and I'd also like to wait till Luffy gets some better feats since this is the third arc of One piece. Not so much because I'd rather luffy win, but because This is an end of series version of Naruto and Luffy is only at the start of the third arc. I do think they are somewhat close at this point. Ask for other verses. I do watch JJK and I have seen bleach though I'm not the biggest fan of bleach for a couple of reasons. I could make a video on that if people are interested but ultimately I don't know where exactly to get a lot of scans for bleach. The amount of nice things that I have to say about bleach more or less end at music and character design 😅. And if you go by the series itself, there isn't really a lot of concrete evidence that helps scale many attacks or feats without calcs. Like I really haven't been able to find a light speed in the series but I haven't done that much research anyway. As for JJK, I could do some versus battles on it, but it's also another case where I don't know where to get any scans. Dragon Ball is extremely high tier in terms of power levels. I'd have to compare it to something like sailor Moon or Saint seiya for any fight to be fair and I have never watched any of those. As for AOT, I'm not entirely done with the series, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. I only started liking the show after episode 64 or 65
Massive madara downplay boooooooo I dont like one piece so i never got to kaido but madara scaling above the 9 tails and the 9 tails being planetary means gg for kaido. Majestic attire is an instant gg. Even if you wanted to pretend madara doesnt have the ap to deal with him the full 9 tails definitely does and madara can summon and mind control the 9 tails whenever. Also any version of madara can and will just genjutsu kaido. Idk why people keep saying genjutsu doesnt work on chakraless beings in 2024 but it literally does. Sharingan/rinnegan genjutsu work fine, Manda is a sage creature with nature energy instead of chakra and gets genjutsu'd by sasuke. In the novel itachi puts a hive of bees under genjutsu, and lets get something very clear... hagoromo spread chakra to his followers after kaguya was sealed. we know kaguya placed the planet under Infinite Tsukuyomi. Nobody on the planet had chakra when they got genjutsu'd to hell by kaguya. Every version of madara clears
when you have no idea of other character you should not debate. first kiado also scale to start level because being relative to white beard. second every thing in naruto planet have chakra because of first infinite sukayomi caused by kaguya. in verse equation kiado can simply resist ant for of genjutsu because of haki.
I love your other videos but the one piece bias in this one wild. Madara blitz by raikage? Is like saying kaido was getting beat by luffy pre prison training arc. Did we forget the whole madara viewed the fight as adults vs children abd what adult would go all out against a child?
Those two are not even remotely similar examples. He did get blitzed by the raikage twice. He never dodged him. Read the chapters, watch the fights. He never dodges the raikage. He can view them as children, doesn't mean He's faster than Ay. Also, I appreciate you liking my videos
@@El_Eon_brother that isn't what he is talking about. The speed difference and strength that you portrayed for madara is horrible. Madara never tagged raikage becz it is in character for him to tank attacks and gauge the strength of his enemies. He couldn't care less about attacks from raikage as his attacks wouldn't effect him either way. He was taking the whole fight as a warm up and to top things up raikage's speed was amped unquantifiably by onoki as he made him lighter. Ms sasuke pre danzo fight tagged and doged attacks form raikage and madara scales like much much higher than that, Ms sasuke(raikage fight) < Ms sasuke (danzo fight)
If madara isnt edo i dont see how he wins Don chinjao split the ice continent with his head, this same attack traded evenly with dressrosa luffy elephant gun Kaido is just so so far above madara physically
I never like these face off battles, especially these Naruto battles they always go for these brain dead terms like "no dif, this character slams this verse or solos this verse, blitzes this character" like what's the point in these battles if you won't even look at what these characters can do and just high ball one character while low balling the other. But your videos are a godamn breath of fresh air, I don't hear glazing I actually hear a reasonable amount of scaling.
One thing I will say is the One Piece planet doesn't have multiple moons and that's most likely a Geocentric model so those are probably planets in the Library of Ohara, cuz Oda has made it a point to show the moon and it's phases to show the passage of time specifically in the pre-time skip and he's never shown multiple Moons in the sky, however he could reveal something about the physical planet in the next couple of chapters cuz the manga is going crazy rn lmao 🤣
Most likely Aizen would one shot Kaido. 1. Kaido cant perceive someone in a higher dimension 2. Spiritual pressure will vaporize him (aizen is top 1 in his verse when it comes to spiritual pressure) 3. Ichigo can destroy dimensions like hell or hueco mundo. He even destroyed a pocket dimension just by activating his bankai. Aizen is supposed to be strong as or stronger than ichigo at this point. 5. Aizen is literal immortal. No one could kill aizen in soul society. Not even Yamamoto, who can be scaled to atleast solar system level. (Stated to be strong enough to destroy soul society with his bankai activation) 6. SPEED. Much faster than light. For example; flash steps are faster than light speed as we have seen shinigamis dodging lights like nothing. And aizen literally slammed almost all of gotei 13 without much effort at a time. (Note: every one of them are faster than light) 7. HAX. Kyoka suigetsu. Perfect hypnosis. Anyone who sees him puts into this perfect hypnosis. It can manipulate all 5 senses without regard. If KAIDO got in kyoka suigetsu, kaido cannot reliable in his senses anymore. He has to solely rely on his observation haki from this point. KAIDO is most likely got defeated after affected by this ability.
When u nerf Marada to say he can’t dmg or react when he’s reacting to instant tp ,ftl movement, and his sasanou swinging a sword destroying mountain ranges 😂😂😂 . Also you are taking about haki like chakra can’t do the same thing while Madara is head and heels overall just smarter .
Dude, Doflamingo with no future sight could react on instant tp from Law and was able to blitz Luffy who called light beams too slow. G4 Luffy could match Doflamingo and both are already much faster than Madara whose level is base post timeskip Luffy at most. Kaido is much faster than all of this.
You do such a good job with scaling, and I’m a bit disappointed in the community for downplaying Kaido since his defeat. Also, unrelated but how much do you think Edo Tensei nerfs a character?
Thank you and yeah people will continue to perpetrate this notion that because one piece has been the weakest out of the big three, it will always be the weakest out of the big three, but a mid-series villain like kaido is already catching up to some of the top tiers of the verse. So I don't know. I'm not going to outright state that one piece characters are starting to become more powerful than Naruto characters but soon enough There may be some contention. As for Edo tensei, It's honestly unquantifiable. Maybe they come back at 8/10 of their strength idk, I've seen some other power scalers argue that the Edo tensei nerfs stronger characters more rather than weaker ones because the mid tier fighters Don't seem to be that much weaker than when they were alive.
idk man kaido is said to be the strongest so he aint by no means getting topped any time soon many of one peices high tiers sit around the same level also i dont know what the one peice characters are gonna do against people like kaguya who just has a instant win condition with the ETSO@@El_Eon_
@@joshuaanderson7027 I agree, that's why I can't say one piece characters are stronger or will be stronger only that they are catching up. Eternal true seeking orb is definitely a technique that probably every single one piece character can't handle
Hence why I wrote a paragraph stating that I'm not sure because normal animals shouldn't have chakra but some cats were affected by the I.T. In some sources like Naruto wiki it's stated that "all life forms have chakra" which would then include the cats, therefore justifying the argument that Kaido wouldn't be affected by I.T. But I can't really use the wiki as a valid canon source and I didn't have enough time to double check the whole series
@@El_Eon_ Everyone got chakra from kaguya coming to earth, when she first arrived with and used infinite sukoyomi when none had chakra. She still had everyone induced in the genjutsu.
@@El_Eon_it makes sense for rinnegan/sharingan genjutsu to work on people without chakra because they use it to conquer universes where people and animals dont have chakra systems. They probably have the physical and spiritual energies that make up chakra even if they dont have a "chakra system" given that ninshu can crrate chakra systems for people that dont have it. We know that genjutsu used by various dojutsu users works on animals that existed before kaguya came to the elemental nations that just used natural energy, like sage animals.
@@weafy6007 and I went over that in either this video or my vs Kage video. EMS Madara is NOT holding back against Kaido. Perfect Susanoo is stronger than 25 full body Susanoos. He can't make 25 perfect Susanoo and he only ever did it with Wood clones but even if I let him do it with Shadow clones it wouldn't matter because if Tsunade and Ay can somewhat deal with them, then Kaido is one shotting them. As for Durability he scales much higher than damage his damage output since he can tank his own blast breath without damage
I can already see the Naruto glazers talking like this is biased. They say that Naruto characters are planetary and use certain data books to justify all the power scaling. Using the same logic with One Piece, in the data books the One Piece planet is 3 times bigger that the damn sun. Thus their physical capabilities are far better than Naruto characters when put together since either Naruto characters get no diffed by gravity, or they get speed/power blitzed.
One piece planet is not 3 times bigger than our earth ajs no one on one piece is planet level. Naruto blocked a moon splitting attack with ease and otsusukis are easily planet level lol
@@FireGodSlayerAccording to statements such as Marco's, one piece planet contains more than 20 million islands which puts raw ground of OP planet to be 30 times bigger than Earth and 3 times bigger than Jupiter. Islands takes about 10% of OP verse so having full size of OP verse litteraly gives OP planet at very least size of Star. Old Whitebeard who is by far the weakest yonko with his casual punch shook islands all over Sun size planet in chapter 556 page 4, this feat alone outscales all feats of Naruto verse. Moon splitting attack is multi continental level at most and it's not canon, since it was taken from non canon movie. And even if it was Moon level attack, it's thousands times weaker than Old Whitebeard casual punch. And there is no a single Ootsutsuki who is higher than building level. Even Isshiki with his rods just slightly damaged stone roof after using several rods.
@@manlight5035"This feat alone outscales Naruto" Ah yes lets ignore Kaguya creating a space time continua (canon to the dub and is accurate translation" that has solar systems and stars in it. This feat alone isnt even wanking unlike your statement.
@@neopy1578 Let's ignore Databooks which basically say that her dimensions aren't solar systems but just planets, let's ignore that in order to create another planet she needed to absorb chakra from entire Naruto verse, let's ignore that in One Piece there is side character who according to Databooks can create parallel universes and yet he is still outmatched by base pre Wano Luffy, let's ignore that creating something doesn't defy battle capability.
@manlight5035 Lmao I never used "databooks" feats tf you mean? I'm saying that ingames and in the anime solar systems and stars were shown countless times. And a creation feat is way more impressive then a DC feat, she's manifesting a whole new universe and threatening to destroy it.
Depends how the fights go it can be kaido or madara im one piece fan still I say madara has the edge but still kaido has speed and strength so it can go ehither whey
Got an exam tomorrow, and I am studying Madara vs Kaido 😭 To be honest, this was the best and most fair way of comparing 2 characters we love. I found your channel by random and this for sure, needs more attention! The fact that everything was canon and presented with facts and sources, it was just like an elegant dish served to our minds.
Not to hate but I feel like you heavily down played the naruto scaling, Kurama has planetary level statements in the databooks (“power to easily turn the world to ash” and his biju bomb having “earth shattering power”) with madara scaling quite a bit higher than Kurama, with the ten tail’s chakra being shown to be have planet levels. And you have 10 tails madara scaling lot too far away from kaguya who could create dimensions with stars In them And when it comes to speed, there’s possible light speed scaling for characters like haku, mifune, and the Samari , whom all scale quite a bit below the raikage. I’m not sure if it would be enough to say that EMS madara would blitz Kaido, but given how much stronger and faster 10tails makes a character, I feel like it wouldn’t be far fetched to say 10 tails madara could blitz. I know a lot of these feats have interpretations, but I feel like you ignored a pretty solid interpretation for the naruto characters
Tailed beasts are weaker than their jinchuriki counterparts, The statement that he can turn the world to Ash is from a full power Kurama. All of his best feats come from KCM 2 Naruto. The 10 tails isn't as strong as Kaguya. The ten tails has a planet's worth of chakra that doesn't mean that all of its attacks scale to planetary. Haku and mifune only have light speed scaling when using specific Jutsu. The raikage is stated verbatim to be able to reach the speed of light, If you're going to use data book statements. Don't skip over that. The raikage also tagged Madara multiple times. As for Kurama, turning the world into ash, two things can be said about that either. It's a hyperbolic statement. Or it can be interpreted that he can turn the world's surface into ash by firing tailed beast bombs over a certain period of time. None of his attacks have even remotely proven that he could just wipe out the planet itself if he wanted to. Being planetary doesn't mean that you can destroy a planet in one shot. You can be planetary by destroying a planet over a period of time. I could just as easily argue that Kurama is planetary if he were to continuously fire tailed beast bombs as he crosses through the entire planet and even then at best he'd only be destroying the surface given actual feats. Also, Madara is un-quantifiably faster as the 10 tails Jinchuriki. He was getting blitzed by attacks that weren't light speed with the Sekizo. And as I said in the video, the best you could scale night guy to is light speed because it warped space.
@El_Eon reply to this now i had so much fax and u removed all the comments when i debunked everyting you said and added what madara could also do your a scammer
@@walnutstudio502 haki and chakara are not similar at all, haki is will power that you can use to harden your skin and do dmg chakara is basically just energy
@@bboytwo9482 Chakra is created when two more primal energies, known collectively as one's stamina are moulded together. Physical energy and SPIRITUAL ENERGY. Haki originates from an individual's SPIRIT and not their physical body best shown when smoker and tashigi switched bodies.
Every human in naruto has some innate chakra, Otherwise it wouldnt explain why kaguya just sacced alot of ppl to be sucked dry by the god tree if they never had any chakra to begin in the first place We also know the otsutsukis travel around space and suck energy from various planets. if they never had any chakra how exactly did they accquire chakra and condense it into a fruit?
@El_Eon_ I've pointed to all the evidence you needed. You're the one writing Inconsistent walls of texts that don't prove anything. This is incorrect genjutsu doesnt disrupt your opponent's chakra flow to their brain and making them see illusions it causes the victims to see illusion which in turn disrupts the chakra in their brain and by erasing this disruption you can erase the genjutsu. You are confusing the cause and effect of the genjutsu it's the illusion that is the cause, and the disruption the effect not the other way around If the chakras flow towards the brain is how genjutsu works, then how can a sealed tailed beast be controlled by genjutsu or that matter normally tailed beast since they don't even have any biological components Genjutsu works by disrupting your senses which in turn affect chakra network, which all living beings have but not all individuals are able to utilize and thus lack a chakra network if not traiend. Chakra doesn't just affect ninjas with chakra network but people who are living beings with energy. Haki is akin to chakra in general. Itachi put a regular human in his genjutsu. Deal with it. One piece characters are affected. Kaido is a being who is susceptible to being caught in genjutsu. Deal with it. Him not having a chakra network doesn't prove that he won't be affected when he's a living being with haki which at its base is akin to chakra. Prove to me that not having a chakra network will allow you to not be affected by genjutsu? You have absolutely no evidence and you're arguing like a moron.
Shouldn’t the ten tails tailed beast bomb be taken into account? I mean, do you think juubi madara can’t replicate the same effect with his susanno or be able to tank multipe of it as he absorbed the ten tails? I jus doubt kaidos final attack could outweigh multiple of those. Then we could compare sasukes susanno to the ten tails as that susanno was having an equal clash with a tailed beast bomb by kurama and the tailed beast bomb is much more destructive that those slices madara showed against the Kage.
@@faith4657 bro are dum he literally tank gamma ray and walk it off 10 tens is getting folded by him madara and ten tails is better fight and can go ehither whey
@@faith4657 I think dum do really think kaido would get 1 shot by 10 tails bro compare kaido size and speed and strength kaido takes bigger then 10 tails he stronger hes mftl plus bro i hate people that down play one piece character
One thing I noticed in theese naruto vs op debates is that naruto fans usually relay on scaling the ap and not dc ( like you did) so there are like planetary feats and more and end the debate like that, on the other hand op fans usually compleatly ignore ap scaling and give arguments on how they're hax can overcome everything. That said Im not saying you are biased but it really just depends on how you do the math and wich method you decide to use, most people just say "well madara is star level because ... So kaido who only scales to planet highball cant do shit to him" So overall I enjoyed your video and I likee how you talked about basically everything in they're arsenal and how it would be utilized, not many people consider the "in character" stuff ypu did. The only thing I can say that I disagree with is the naruto speed scaling ( tbh everyone has a different opinion about this and you picked the most reliable) but back in part 1 itachi used a jutsu on kakashi that was stated to be light speed... So if you consider this the speed gab is to reconsider but idk if this feat got debunked or something so idk if you could give me a motivation it would be nice. (Also people who say kid naruto is light speed because of the haku statement are biased because they litteraly fight against sound ninjas the arc after and cant dodge until some powerups, but I could see kakashi and itachi being light speed at that point)
Your comment is quite fair, all things considered. Say that the Madara being a star level threat is something I can't agree with for a couple of reasons. The only star level feats in the entire Naruto series is Kaguya's ever expansive truth seeking orb. Madara does not scale to that because he's weaker than her. He never displayed an attack That's even remotely that destructive. He also hasn't tanked anything, even remotely close to a star level attack and Naruto and Sasuke who I believe are actually stronger than him based on their performance against them before he was betrayed couldn't have tanked that truth seeking orbit. As for the Itachi statement, I'm not sure what jutsu you're referring to unless it's tsukuyomi which requires direct eye contact and isn't so much a light speed attack more so it distorts the target sense of time.
@@El_Eon_ the star scaling I gave him was something I made up on the moment because tbh idk where he scales at😅, it was simply to explain how I feel about the people that talk about this debate, as for the itachi move it was some sort of water bullet jutsu that in the databooks is stated to be light speed, or at least this is what I heard from other people who made naruto scaling videos. I think the water bullet light speed feat could be a good one because haku was stated to be able to move at light speed but the arc after with the sound ninjas kinda proves that, at least against naruto and sasuke he didnt. Thats why I like to connect the "he possibly can move at light speed" from haku with the itachi jutsu statement, because haku was able to move fast enought to step in front of kakashi's chidori (wich gives the user more speed if im not mistaken) and kakashi later was able to react to a possible light speed jutsu. Kakashi was kinda rusty during the land of waves arc and thats why I feel like haku did go light speed to block kakashi's chidori and thats why the databook says he could but naruto and sasuke are obviously not light speed at that moment but kakashi could've. So kakashi noticed he was rusty (especially after his encounter with kabuto) and I believe by the point he encountered itachi He would have most likely reached that light speed required to dodge the jutsu. Its kinda tricky how I view it but most people just straight up ignore theese statements calling them hyperbolys or take them too seriously, since I dont think either of theese is fun I tried connecting what I could and I ended up with this... Oh also one other thing, how do you feel about the kurama statement "he could burn the world to ash" because idk how to judge that one.
@@PinoHolly04 well so here's the thing right, Itachi's water bullets have never been stated to be light speed and I don't think there's any data book entry that even remotely hints at the fact that they are. Haku's ice mirror Jutsu specifically allows him to move from a mirror to mirror at the speed of light. And to be fair, that is the only light speed statement in all of part 1. As for Kakashi, I don't think he was rusty and I'm not sure as to what may have hinted at that. As for the kurama being capable of turning the world to ash, i am 90% sure that refers to the full nine tails. And even then there's a massive misconception that people seem to have where being a certain tier of power automatically means that you have the capacity to destroy something instantly. Being a planet, buster does not mean that you can one shot a planet. It means that you have the capability to destroy a planet over a period of time. The Kurama statement can be considered true because it was stated in a data book, however, considering he hasn't shown any feats that even remotely hint at this means that he can destroy the world or at least the surface of the planet by blasting it constantly with tailed beast bombs as he travels across the planet. It's all a matter of interpretation at the end of the day. That would still make him planetary, but more or less surface level, unless you believe that his tailed beast bombs could throughout a time frame Carve way at the world itself, but I don't think he can just do that by volleying in one consecutive wave of blasts.
@@El_Eon_ fair enought, as for the water bullet statement I saw it from other youtube videos and if you google "naruto water bullet light speed statement" you should see it too, but it could be a misstranslation and at that point what I said is basically useless. As for what hinted about kakashi being rusty we know that in his anbu days he was able to constantly use the sharingan even without covering it(like for example in the war arc) but when we see him in the land of waves arc, after the fight against zabuza he basically faints because he overused the sharingan for this reason a lot of people that made videos about this (and me) think that kakashi was actually stronger as an anbu menber than he was back in part 1, after he realized he was rusty he started training again because he thought he needed to in order to "save" sasuke and thats why he is stronger in shippuden and can use the mangekio.
@@PinoHolly04 are you sure you aren't confusing it with the jutsu used against naruto during the war arc? that one has a data book entry of being lightspeed...
U forgot to include madaras tree expansion jutsu it’s considered planetary as the roots traveled across the planet, now I will say ppl love including this feat but it’s not relative to everything else he’s done, like it’s a function that the god tree does it’s not like madara is synching up with every human seeing there dreams and feeling the chakra he stole 😂 naw it’s more like he turned on the washer machine and it did it’s thing. Cuz if it truly was him he could have used those same roots that have planetary range to slap saskue and Naruto out of orbit giving them the pillar man finisher 😂
Yeah the Jutsu definitely seemed to be more of a byproduct of the I.T. I didn't want to even think about a hypothetical combat application since it seemed to only be used to turn people into zetsu. I really wish we got to see his full power
it isn't used for combat, but that doesn't change that madara used a hand sign to actually spread the roots across the planet since everyone was already affected by the IT.
i see you use vs wiki i like vs wiki but kaidos ap is a little bit low he is large planet and on vs wiki small planet its finde but he is ftl+ with a lifting strength y madara is moon level with relavistic+ speed kaido is massivly faster and stronger then guy with future sight before madara do anything he get speed blittzzzzzz and one shotet hes body gets destroyd with one attack frome kaido i explain you the large planet the world from one piece is 12 times bigger then the earth and whitebeards statement was not debunked and kaido Should be almost on the same level and good video
There's instances of GENJUTSU working on beings without chakra in Naruto such as Manda. An argument can be made due to this, A GENJUTSU against A One Piece character would end up using their Haki to perform said Genjutsu. Madara doesn't really use Genjutsu in character anyway, he only uses it on fodder. He prefers to actually fight.
He said no verse equalization in the video. Which actually helps the Naruto verse more since Haki can power nullify abilities place on their bodies. Even observation Haki could be argue to see pass illusion.
Yeah the genjutsu that comes from the sharingan isn't necessarily controlling person's chakra as other types of genjutsu in naruto that are made by a none uchiha cz the sharingan and its genjutsu take over the mind and not the chakra better say but long time genjustsu it's what effect the chakra that doesn't even exist in op
@@StudyFors4 Every genjutsu affects the brain or the body. But the way they achieve that is through perturbing the enemy's chakra or injecting their own chakra into their opponents. Either of those will be either ineffective or noticed by One Piece characters. The only thing they will not notice is Izanagi or Izanami (unless they have future sight)
Honestly bro i think your downplaying Madara quite a bit honestly especially with the 5 kage fight feats you're bringing up. Madara as stated himself was toying with them the entire time "What adult would go full force when fighting mere children?" to say you think the Raikage is faster than Madara is laughable. I don't think it changes much but still some of these are just straight up downplays. Also the 10tail feats Naruto and Saskuke were fighting a much weaker version of Madara when they were beating him down. Both Rinnegan together are stronger than both of them are individually when Madara got both he was handling them boys pretty easily.
Madara never dodged the Raikage's attacks. Look at the whole fight he landed every attack. He was not handling them both pretty easily, Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything that he threw at them. Not to mention he went straight for the infinite tsukuyomi he wasted no time. All he did was slow them down. And they defeated a more powerful individual Kaguya.
Lool op fans just be riding 🥩. And the op fans in the comments gassing you up🤣🤣 Madara with rinnegan will end kaido🤦🏾♂️ it’s like no one watched the anime smh
Bro stop I’m a naruto fan but even I admit kaido wins (I watch both anime btw not just one or the other). Naruto and sasuke still solo the verse though if that makes you feel better.
@@El_Eon_ Where do you think he scales at, Also do you think your Kaido videos are repetitive slightly since Its mostly Kaido 😅, Its still good video. For me Luffy is multi continental with ftl+
@@Chillersnowman his ap acales way higher than multi Continental..hw was aleeady continettal plus at dessarosa..he is atleast moon level and low planetary with bajarang gin according to vs battle wiki
@@emmanueladekunle3088 That's true as I did try to lowball Luffy, He should be in that Moon lvl to small planet category if he did a bajrang gun gatling.
can we stop using the pacifistas as a valid light speed indicator because it is very obviously shown in both anime and manga to not be light speed nor is kizaru's.. light wouldnt be shown as little orbs it would be a straight beam due to its speed its either that isnt light speed or light works differently in one piece edit : we should also not try to calculate how much attack potency an attack would have by the speed and attack, considering a needle going light speed would have an impact comparable to a meteorite, which is obviously not the case. in conclusion neither one piece or naruto universe was made to be scaled as there are imperfections and bringing real life physics into fiction would just be dumb
@@grimpler5341 you say that there are problem with bringing real life physics into fiction but arguing that a needle going light speed would have an impact comparable to a meteorite is bringing real life physics into fiction when an a author says something is lightspeed that the end of decussation
@@asmiledcrocodile when the calculations dont compare to what is being shown thats going against the author aswell. im sure if luffy had the power of a death star in his every punch the author would make it known.
Well, if you were to ask oda, he a joke about it, but I get where you're coming from because the power of night guy or flame dragon bagua was never stated or shown you have to take some liberties so it understandable if you disagree as for lightspeed an author or really an artist can show light however they want if floating island over bottomless pits massive vertical mountains and an ocean made of clouds are fair game then I don't see way showing light as little orbs isn't
🗣 oskustki kaguya was easily planet. Lvl she can create her own dimensions & her black ⚫️ truth seeking orbs is existence eraser, aka it negates all durability. She made a huge on & that would've destroyed the earth said in manga. This anime naruto shippuden kaguya btw. She's foddar compared to momoshiki from boruto. Momoshiki is star level. He scales above kaguya which was basically star level. Bc kaguya was making moons & suns in her dimensions. Literally jigen a weaker isshiki would foddarize momoshiki lol. Might isshiki. G5 luffy cant even Power scale passed kaguya bro😭😭😭
Susanoo is capable of literally withstanding temperatures six times hotter than the surface of the sun. Tsunade, in managing to crack Susanoo, demonstrates an extraordinary level of power that surpasses any feat in One Piece. And wasn't there a technique something like Wood Style Flower Jutsu, designed to induce sleep, that could effortlessly subdue someone as formidable as Kaido. This powerful jutsu would easily bypass his defence. And you just literally ignored the flower jutsu
Even if we stay kiddo doesn't have the brute force to breakthrough the Susanoo which he definitely does he can just use advanced armament haki to bypass the Susanoo entirely As for the flower jutsu he has to wait for the flowers to bloom and there's nothing That would stop kaido from completely obliterating the entire forest. Also correct me if I'm wrong on this but I heard somewhere that you can ignore the flowering forest if you have strong enough willpower and if that's the case then haki being willpower should also allow him to ignore it but fact check me on that
@@asmiledcrocodilelate reply but madara would undoubtedly be able to withstand any attack Kaido could throw at him. His Susanoo has already proven its durability, surviving Amaterasu, which, according to the canon novel, burns with heat comparable to the sun. Even without the protection of Susanoo, Madara's physical fortitude, especially after being revived without the Ten-Tails, is formidable enough to endure Kaido's strongest blows. Moreover, the sword that pierced Madara's hand was no ordinary weapon as the video descripes it to be as it was capable of clashing with Kinshiki's chakra blade a blade powerful enough to slice through planets, as stated in the lore. In contrast, Kaido lacks any comparable weaponry or techniques to kinshiki kaido,Madara Uchiha's physical strength is exceptional, particularly when compared to other shinobi. Consider Ōnoki, who is significantly weaker yet managed to lift an entire island without fully relying on his jutsu, which can reduce an object's weight. Despite his ability to manipulate weight, Ōnoki still carried the island's considerable mass. This is evident from the panel showing the island turtle falling into the water after he releases it,also because of kumo statement. Given that Madara surpasses Ōnoki in both power and strength, it’s reasonable to conclude that Madara could perform such a feat with far greater ease.but the only problem he has is dura neg he coupd also probably withstand it because of 1st hokage cells and this all ain't even compariable to juubi madara lol he outscales alive madara by a large margins
@@shahib805 Thank you for replying 1 It was stated that Amaterasu High temperatures is like the sun And that it was named after the goddess of the sun as it continues to burn. Neither of these outrights state that it is has hot as the sun (But it can be interpreted that way) I would furthermore argue that luffy is also the Sun God and also has fire based attacks So if it's reasonable to conclude that Madera has survived attacks as hot as the sun then it's also reasonable to conclude that Kaido has done the same. 2 Madara doesn't have that many feats of tanking attacks outside of his Susanoo. Even as the 10 tails he got cut in half by Naruto and Sasuke. He didn't tank the attack you mentioned And even if you did clashing with something doesn't automatically make you as powerful as that thing and if you want to argue it does There's nothing implying that an attack needs to be that powerful for it to hurt madara 3 Ōnoki Lifted up a meteor not an island and kaido Was able lift up onigashima (Which is larger than most real life mountains) with his flame clouds For several hours while fighting Luffy 4 There's still the issue of speed 5 Have a great day 😁
@@asmiledcrocodile no problem 😁 but 1. If something is stated to be "like the sun," it could vary from 6,000°C to as high as 15 million°C. So, I'm not sure how you concluded that it wasn't as hot as the sun when it was directly compared to it. The name doesn't contradict the statement of it being as hot as the sun.moreover, Luffy didn't use any sun-based attacks in his Gear 5 against Kaido, so it's safe to assume that Kaido wouldn't be able to withstand a literal sun. 2. As I mentioned, Madara could survive the heat of the sun, even in his base form, simply by covering his body with chakra similar to how Naruto did when fighting Sasuke. Since Kaido can't survive the heat of the sun, it's unlikely he could tank those slashes from Sasuke either. 3. Onoki lifted Turtle Island and flew with it across several kilometers probably. The meteor part happened when he was fighting Madara, but that's not what I'm referring to
@@asmiledcrocodile one more thing didn't madara tank directs hits from naruto and sasuke after awakaning his third eyes blud wasn't even fazed also while staping sakura
Haven't watched the vid but I got a question. When ppl use Star level OP scaling, wouldn't comparing the size of the planet to a star to upscale the verse be arbitrary false? Since Stars are much denser than a planet? Also couldn't you interpret WB's statement as life wiping?
I see what you mean. But that depends on the context. If the attack calcs to do enough damage to blow up a star, then it is star level, regardless of the surface of area it targets ( a good example would be saint seiya characters, where their attacks are so controlled that they do no collateral damage). In the context of One Piece, explaining the size of the planet to non fans is important. Because a feat that would seam to be "city level" could actually be continent level and a non fan wouldn't know.
This was good. More One Piece vs Naruto content. Maybe something like the Admirals vs Konoha or one of the Yonkou and their entire Empire vs a Shinobi village.
One MAJOR mistake you made in comparing Susanoo Sword to Kaido's Breath....... The full power of Kaido's Breath is what destroyed the single mountain..... But it was the _shockwave_ of the _power_ of the sword swing that bisected the mountains in half. These mountains where not close to him, his Susanoo is just _that_ big. Those mountains were at minimum a few kilometers away from the battlefield from which the Kage were fighting. So you can't compare the full blast of Kaido to the shockwaves of the sword swing and then say since Kaido can tank his own blast then he can tank a _DIRECT_ cut from Perfect Susanoo Sword Swing. You can make the argument he'd tank the shockwaves, not the actual strike
I could possibly agree that the actual Blast Breath doesn’t calc as impressively as Madara’s mountain cut, even if only because I haven’t bothered to calc the feat myself. That being said, given the calc I saw from Zaelleaz’s Naruto Scaling videos, Madara’s full power Susanoo swing would pale in comparison to even the Dressrosa cast (ie. Zaelleaz got Madara’s mountain cut up to mountain level destruction, meanwhile at a low end G4 Luffy uprooting parts of Dressrosa were already at island level) and Kaido scales far above them.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Try unsheathing a sword with a friend to the side of you, ask them how much damage it did then slice them. Lol. Fast air doesnt = actual material force = mass * acceleration all that mass was air imagine how much more damage it would be with a condensed material.
@@kaianimations675 I am more than aware of the difference in power between air pressure and whatever object is generating it. The problem is that even accounting for that difference in power, with how low Madara’s mountain cut actually calcs, even if we assumed that the air blade was 1000x weaker Madara’s Susanoo still wouldn’t be any stronger than mountain level. And considering how even at a low end several One Piece characters calc to island level (ie, Mihawk’s frozen tidal wave cut, Zoro cutting Onigashima’s horn even on a low end size for the island, Dressrosa Luffy uprooting sections of Dressrosa), I do not believe that Madara’s Susanoo would make a difference
I feel like you're downplaying Madara. He should be relative to KCM2 Naruto who at the bare minimum is twice as fast as the Naruto that speed blitzed V2 Raikage, though it's probably more. Also he should scale well above the full 9 tails because he's relative to Hashirama who literally picked it up and put it to sleep. And just half of the 9 tails was said to be able to turn the world to ash. And that statement is probably not an outlier because there are other databook statements reaffirming this and it's also backed up by the fact that the 9 tails is a large chunk of Kaguya's power.
@@oliveragag8576 okay so there's a couple of problems, Let's just say KCM2 Naruto is twice as fast as light going off of the raikage dodging feat and him being at least twice as strong as KCM. Madara only reacted to him, there is no way you can argue that he can move/run at those speeds especially since nothing implies it. Reaction and movement speed are two different things. Post time skip Luffy is at least Lightspeed in base and second gear is a 10 times amp to that. Fourth gear is a several times amp beyond his limits so at the lowest interpretation it's 30 times Luffy's base and that's if you don't factor in a possible multiplier for Armament haki. Kaido blitzed and one shot that version of Luffy. He doesn't scale above the nine tails and he needed it to fight hashirama who just put down the nine tails. All he did to take over the nine tails and you can look this up because it's anime only is have a conversation with Kurama and then put him under genjutsu. He never overpowered Kurama. The Kurama planetary statement could be interpreted as he can turn the surface of the world into Ash and this is backed up by Feats because none of his attacks have ever shown the capacity to just outright destroy the planet at least the base story. He also can't turn the world to Ash in a single attack he would have to do it over a period of time and again this is better backed up by Feats from the animated and some statements from data books. Hashirama also put down the nine tails by suppressing its chakra And even if you still want to argue that Madara is at least as strong as the nine tails he does not have the destructive capacity to destroy the planet like Kurama. None of his attacks are giant explosive blasts. Is we're talking EMS Madara or OS Madara he gets blitzed in one shot there's just no way to even argue that he can keep up with someone like kaido who in base can blitz a version of Luffy that is at least 30 times faster than light And he usually goes for the head.
@@El_Eon_ He didn't really need the 9 tails to fight Hasirama since it got taken out very early and most of the damage done to Hashirama was from Madara himself, I use that to scale the 9 tails below Madara. And it wouldn't make sense for Madara to scale below any Biju because he's consistently portrayed as the equal to Hashirama, the man who collected them and who was said to have more chakra than them. And even if you don't consider Madara above the 9 tails he can still summon it at will, even after being revived after generations his contract with the 9 tails was still in effect, the only reason edo Madara never summoned him was because Kurama was inside Naruto.
@@El_Eon_ bro uforget to add amp in naruto with increse in tails after 1tail form u direct jump to chakra mood In data book it said with increse in each tail power of naruto increase vastly in magnitude so we should give 10time am to each tail increase 3tail is faster 20 then light =saske 2nd cursemark which is 20amp in speed So how raikage is below light speed If your statement is true then all naruto character stated to light speed minato to raikage and sand but there is huge diff in speed so it should be wrong
Now q is why naruto matters to determine speed As only half of kurama give him enough speed to surpass raikage if alltailed beast is inside u u must be 1000time faster then light For madera all tailed beast are inside him and he can fly also Infact speed =chakra reserve 😊 He is fast enough kakshi even can't react with sharingan 😊
So I don't buy the calcs about Kaido being stronger than Night Guy but I believe he doesn't need to be so to win Kaido durability negation should make up for the lack of AP since I don't think Madara showed that he can tank attacks that target his insides, he can regenerate from some of them but I think that Kaido performing consecative bonks would probably overwhelm him Good video anyway
Didn't Kaido fight Big Mom for 3 days? Big Mom, the woman who manipulates souls? Can the human path even move his soul? Personally, I think Haki comes from ones soul/spirit. So i don't think his soul is being removed.
The thing about Big Mom’s soul abilities is that her soul stealing can be resisted if the opponent lacks any fear of Big Mom; being able to resist that unfortunately doesn’t entail being able to resist other soul based abilities, because that weakness for Big Mon doesn’t translate to a weakness for Nagato or Madara.
I watched the whole video, I agree that Kaido could defeat Madara if the information you gathered is correct since the guy is stronger than MightGuy but Madara's tricks could buy him an infinite amount of time if Kaido just plays with him. As we have already seen, Kaido has let Luffy go several times after knocking him down thinking that he would not return, he does not give him the killing blow, therefore Madara could escape death countless times by being smarter than Luffy. This duel would last an eternity
That's not necessarily true, look back at the fights. He imprisoned Luffy after their first fight. He was gonna kill Luffy after he ran out of Gear 4 on the Rooftop but Zoro saved him. And after he got hit with Ragnarok Kaido was gonna kill him but Zoro stopped him with Deadman's gamble. Luffy kept coming back for plot related reasons like getting saved but Kaido Legit threw him off the rooftop and even thought he killed him. Like I said in the video: Kaido enjoys a fight IF the opponent can take on his full strength
The whole guy bending space time yea thats cool an all but that’s more about how fragile the universe is look at it like this flash is able to bend space and time going at the speed of light yet some anime characters that move at that same speed don’t go back on time or warp reality so its more about the universe
@@Packirup1234 uh, law? you do realize his k-room is literally the devil fruit equivalent of internal destruction? or what about any shockwave based attack? like impact dials, fishman karate, tremor fruit, sengoku's shockwaves, etc? and then someone like caesar can't "hurt" kaido, but he could theoretically kill him by removing oxygen. durability is EASILY beaten with hax, and in the one piece world, hax are known as devil fruits.
@@asianpersuasion4901 internal dmg that ignores durability is diffrent from actual physical dmg idg where ur going at but kid is the only known character to hurt kaido with physical dmg than internal destuction
@@Packirup1234 I said "specialized devil fruit or technology" and you basically said no, so I gave you examples. but you seem to be talking about kidd's judo throw/crushing attacks, so let me disprove that too. what you and the youtuber seem to fail to realize is that advanced armament and internal destruction are not the same thing. luffy has advanced armament: internal destruction. the scabbards and zoro have JUST advanced armament, which raises ap and defense. and what did they do with their advanced armament? wound kaido. that's already 10 extra people who can wound kaido with just physical damage. Oh right, there's also yamato, who doesn't have internal destruction. so make that 11 extra.
I guess it depends on one thing. Which gets activated first, the Flaming Drum Dragon or the Infinity Tsukuyomi? Likely not the latter, since it takes time and distraction that are also not guaranteed to work on Kaido. It's a close fight, but imo, Madara loses at least 8 out of 10 fights against Kaido.
Would a genjutsu not stop Kaido? Uchiha ocular genjutsu insert the users chakra into the victims body so Kaidos lack of a chakra network would stop the genjutsu
actual really fair and good video, if I ever have argument about character vs character, it's honestly one of the most toxic experiences I have, I even had situation when somebody downplayed sasuke sharingan because he couldn't predict/see haku.... while he wasn't even using said sharingan and then he proceed to have 10 excuses on to why haku couldn't move at light speed between mirrors or that sasuke somehow dodged his attacks without seeing him moving because yes
EMS Madara did have the Nine Tails, which he could lace the Bijuu bombs with his Susano-o sword (multiple times) to create Rasenshuriken-like attacks. he could launch dozens if not hundreds of these, matching Hashirama's 1000 arm Buddha statue. think of this like a hyper charged AAH coated King Kong Gatling Gun. now, do i think this would actually hurt Kaido let alone kill him? i dunno. you weren't very convincing that Juubidara would win, even with both Rinnegan. i do wanna point out, i don't think his Limbo clones didn't use Susano-o because they couldn't. i think they didn't use it because of the time limit. also, what do you think about Kaido vs Kaguya? she has more chakra than Madara, arguably a trickier moveset, and a controller shoved up her ass in the form of Kuroi Zetsu. i think it might be a closer fight.
I went by the moveset that's canonically shown, so I didn't add Limbo Susanoo. As for the tailed beast bomb sword barrage, I don't believe it'll land if Kaido chooses to dodge. It's coming from one direction and Kaido could dodge an omnidirectional attack that's Faster while drunk. As for the damage It lost in quantity and matched in force with the 1000 arms which also broke due to the force of their own punches. It's that attack that created the final valley but if the final valley is smaller than Onigashima which Luffy would've punched right through then Flame dragon Bagua one shots. As for Kaguya I don't think Kaido wins, I don't think she'll land the all killing ash bone cause of the speed difference but Kaido has no answer to Kill her or beat the ever expansive TSO
@@El_Eon_ yeah in terms of your Madara stuff, i agree. in terms of Kaguya, she can augment her speed in a couple ways. the speed of her attacks. one of the things she could do is transport the battlefield to the Ice Dimension around Kaido. he would be able to break out pretty quickly, but probably not instantly. this would buy her enough time to open up one of her portals from within the ice. and launch an Ash Bone at him directly. or she could transport to the gravity dimension and launch one that way. or she could transport to a random dimension, activate ETSO, reform herself from the ring of white... stuff. and then move herself to the original dimension the battle took place in. this would count as battlefield removal. which some people consider a win con in these battles. but even if you don't? the ETSO will kill him. none of this is out of character for her. although one thing to note about her character when she was revived in the War Arc was that her primary objective was returning all Chakra to herself. but since Kaido doesn't have Chakra, she might just ignore him. then again, we do have the controller shoved up her ass in the form of Kuroi Zetsu. so, there is that.
I liked this video 👍 Although I don't particularly like Vsb wiki scaling cause they changed every year, in 2017 madara was at multi continental, last year madara was at planetary and this year his at moon level, so it's hard to really go on wht they're saying if it keeps changing, and it will change again next year. Other then that I enjoyed this video, you explained everything you could and with possible scenarios which I liked. You remained unbiased and tried listing out everything you know, can't wait to see wht you post in the future ☺
Yeah vs battle wiki are really annoying by changing multiple time the scale of Naruto characters every years. Like it doesn't even make sense they make Kaguya 4-C Large Star but Momoshiki is moon level, and baryon mode naruto, Code NL, Daemon and Isshiki are small planet level bruh '-'
Well if you include pixel calls then you could eat ride Naruto to the point of: In Naruto Manga Vol #57 Chapter #544 Naruto fights the 3rd Raikage. Raikage tries to Punch Naruto. And Naruto dodges the attack. The special thing about this feat is that Raikage has a combat Speed near the Speed of Light. It's been consistently stated that Raikage has near the Speed of Light combat in the manga, the anime and the guides. Near the Speed of Light could be anywhere from 90% to 99% of the Speed of Light. But we will use the Lowball and say 4th Raikage moves at 90% of the Speed of Light. There are couple of things we need 1st Size of Naruto's face. 2nd Distance between 4th Raikage's Punch and Naruto's Face. 3rd Distance between Naruto and Raikage after Naruto dodged Raikage's Punch. 1 - Naruto has a official height of 1.66 Meters in Part II. Let's see what is the size of Naruto's face Using Pixel Scaling we get 0.12528301886 Meters which is the size of Naruto's Face. 2 - Now that we have the size of Naruto's face now we can pixel scale the distance between the Punch and Naruto's Face. Using Pixel Scaling the Distance between 4th Raikage's Punch and Naruto is 0.0425489498 Meter. 3 - We have size of Naruto's Face and we have 4th Raikage's Official Height which is 1.982 Meters pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl67XeZWsAAX7vQ.jpg Naruto's Face is at a Pixel size of 96.17692. Raikage is at a Pixel size of 185 Using the scaling it becomes - Using 2atan(atan(90/2)*(1.982/0.12528301886)) = 3.06000123 Radian 3.06000123 Radian = 175.3251557843 Degrees. Using this calculator we can find the distance. In which α = 175.3251557843 Degrees and g = 1.982 Meter. The distance between Naruto's Face and Raikage = 3.776 Meters. The Calculation The Timeframe of Raikage's Punch at 90% of the Speed of Light. Speed = Distance / Time Time = Distance / Speed Time (Second) = 0.0425489498 (Meter) / 299792458 (Meters per Second) Time (Second) = 0.0425489498 (Meter) / 299792458 (Meters per Second) Time (Second) = 1.41928019e-10 Second. KCM Naruto's Feat. KCM Naruto moved 3.776 Meters in the time-frame of 1.41928019e-10 Second. Speed (Meters per Second) = Distance (Meter) / Time (Second) Speed (Meters per Second) = 3.776 (Meter) / 1.41928019e-10 (Second) Speed (Meters per Second) = 26,605,035,613.2 Meter per second or 88.745 x The Speed of Light. Btw I copied it off a site so that’s why it’s phrased so weird and tbh it’s the epitome of meat riding.
Fair enough, The problem with this calc is that the third Raikage doesn't scale to the 4th raikage in terms of speed. It's implied that Ay is faster than his dad because his Dad's cloak is implied to be more defensively oriented. The calc requires his dad to be relativistic to his son in terms of speed but we never see them race against each other and his father is never once named or implied the fastest ninja in the world even before his son took the title. It's one of those weird situations like chidori and lightning blade where it's essentially the same. Jutsu but it's used slightly differently
Ok so I’m sure many will immediately skip the disclaimer which is only 30 seconds long.
If you comment anything that could have been answered by simply looking at the disclaimer I will not reply to it.
Pls make a vidoe of sukkuna vs shigaraki 😅
Great vid, question, how do you feel about observation haki countering genjustu. I would assume the very definition of observation haki counters it, considering that a basic sharingan could provide some resistance to it
@@greatminikwu9089 I probably could but I don't like My hero, not to say I'd be biased but I have no idea where the scaling even starts
@@avoidgel1685 verse equalization would have to be applied since basically every character that isn't from Naruto would be immune to Genjutsu. But I think that if the Genjutsu does work they could probably still sense where the opponent is and what they would do since it isn't reliant on the 5 senses
@@El_Eon_ Bra you did alot of things wrong not only did you use the lowest interpretation of narutos speed to get One piece higher
But the thing showing the One piece planet with moons and such also really exists in Our world at a time we're people thought everything revolved around the earth you can even see pictures of it on Google that's what Oda was inspired by the One piece planet ain't that.
Big thirdly you used Off scaling for kaido which is scaling kaido higher than weaker characters or relative characters feats but you did not do the same for the naruto verse interms of Ap or shit you just used fucking calcts
Madara using selective gravity to pull a meteor from outer space is calcts to planetary levels of kinetic energy and even half of the ninetails being stated to have the power to turn the world to ash are we serious kaido gets stomped stop praising him
The fact that madara have to absorb many things to power up and for kaido power up is just him being drunk is just funny
Kaido build different
Like rock lee
Madara is human. Kaido is an oni that ate a fruit that possibly made him a carp and then into a dragon.
@@p_rnhubnah, its just it's category being a fish isn't really a part of the fruits awakening cycle; an example would be the cat cat fruit model leopard, or ox ox fruit model giraffe. Both didn't need to be their base animals, they are just classifications. ( Which would also explain why momonosuke immediately was a dragon, rather then being a fish.)
@@p_rnhub yeah No. So much for Uchiha's being normal human. If you think about it. Uchiha is no different than Oni or other races in fiction.
I think that assessment is not a good assessment. Uchiha is no different than Oni or heck might has far more natural potential than normal oni's😅
Hate people being so negative in power scaling. It’s fun no matter who you like more. I’d hope if you’re clicking on the video, you like both One Piece and Naruto, and aren’t just clicking on it to defend your favorite series. I think it’s especially stupid to complain about cross series power scaling, as it will have literally no effect on the characters in their overall stories
@@wordedhalo6746 This
The worst part of it is that sometimes people remove well written character traits or weaknesses just to make them stronger for versus battle
You can't win against Kaido if your attacks can't "SCALE" his durability 😂
Ok, that made me laugh 😂
bro is glazing tf outta one piece madara blitz this guy
This guy is stupid 😂 I refuted his dumb video
@@FireGodSlayerjust say that your terrible at debating, and only use head canon for feats.
How is he glazing??? Maybe watch the damn video lmao
@@Yuh_zhimmy I can school you at debating. Cope
Kaido is easily mftl which madara is not
been waiting for u to upload
I'll try to be more consistent!
I 100% appreciate the disclaimer! Can't wait to watch the whole video, I'm a make my prediction and just so ya know even tho Madara is my favorite anime villain all time, kaido is my favorite one piece villain thus far. I got my money on Madara but this should be a real tough fight.
Edit: Alright so this is after watching the whole thing I'm feeling some type of way that 😅 your saying Madara wins cuz of hax and he cant keep up with Kaido but at the same time ngl a lot of it made sense tho i disagree. I think Kaido definitely has more strength than him but speed i feel there at the very least relative to each other. Then Madara has his hax and kaido has his strength and they both counter act each other in that way. Madara wins if he's fullpowered 10 tails sage mode for sure. Any other form i would have to agree with you that kaido wins tho i still think it would be a tough match up for kaido but kaido wins mid to high dif. Imo.
Yo I'd like to say you made a great vid I'm a follow your channel just cuz how well thought of this video was and I'm so glad your not one of those bias youtubers that just picks one piece or naruto as the winner bc of bias. Thanx for that i really enjoyed it!
based on current reveals and overall one piece world building, Oda 100% planned on the One Piece world to be massive (explains the world sinking, wild seasons/weather, the red line being massive, original wano being submerged, etc...)
You did a great work and covered almost everything ❤
8:04 7- Madara can nerf your resistance, this was already demonstrated when he weakened himself so as not to tank his meteor. And the tsunade attacked a clone of him
I read the title as "Kaido vs Moria is closer than you think" and I was ready to see what you were cooking lmao.
😂😂😂
I mean back when they were younger it actually was a close fight, the only reason moria is weak now is bc Kaido beat him, but they were closely matched
@@boxlad7583 That still messes me up thinking Moria was somehow at any point in the story close to Kaido. It's still wild knowing how trash Moria is in Thriller Bark.
@@boxlad7583Kaido wasn't that strong back then , I'd argue he's in his prime or barely past it during the raid
@@pep4338I agree, but at the same time moria was also young and not in his prime, he just stopped training and lost his will after Kaido beat him. If moria kept training he could've had advanced armament and future sight by now and he would actually be Yonko commander level at the very least
18:34 this is a fantastic point that most people don’t make. Kaido loves to fight, but not in the way of respecting his opponent and letting them pop off. He goes 100% from the start and is happy if they survive.
no
@@mrstrangeworld5977 fym no?
@@mrstrangeworld5977 he gets sad if the fight end 💀💀
True villains always holding back thinking they the shit
well Madara would one shot him before he's happy imao
Why is it always the smaller channels with top tier scaling 😭 I thought the five kage video had a ton of effort put in but this wild
Preciate it, hopefully I can grow the channel!
@@El_Eon_you must💯
It’s almost as if people with logic are in the minority 😂 this guy doesn’t miss!
Because majority of people find echo chambers relatable and it feels incredibly bad.
This is not top tier scaling. He didn’t really account for any verse equalization at all.
And the “they’re in character” is just a massive cop out imo.
I can't even imagine the ninja village konoha vs Big Mom that would be an amazing fight
Man... see now I gotta get back to work, good idea😂
@@El_Eon_ just imagining her using the souls of ninjas to bring the Hokage statues to life 😅
@@deathGod252 idk what the statue would do exactly but it would be funny🤣
@@El_Eon_ oh probably nothing but it would be funny 😁
lmao it would only take a couple of the strongest members of the village, and it wouldn't be much of a fight
I'm not gonna lie, no one does Naruto vs One Piece as well as you. I watched your Kaidou video twice because it was so well made and the humor got to me. 😂😂😂
Nah he BS at power scaling he biased as fuck
@@orpheemulemo8053Typical Naruto fans who haven't watched any other anime ☝️🥱.
@@orpheemulemo8053 Not really, a bs biased fan puts kaido at planetary+ to swarf star lol
@@hlua_bawitlung3829 I've watched One piece you can see the stupidity in here the Entails itself when the ninja alliance was sensing it's power it was shown already to be the size of a small planet
Then Madara absorbed that and added power from nine and eight tails plus sage mode which is a huge 100 to 10 times multiplier and the nine tails itself being stated twice to have enough power to turn the world to ash
And kaidos strongest One time attack is calcts by himself to be a small planet level power
So how is kaido beating Madara when his outstated
@@orpheemulemo8053buddy the fire dum version kaido is bigger then the 10 tails and fire melts everything
I'm only 7 minutes in but you've clearly put a lot of in-depth thought into analyzing sources and comparative values. Props to you my guy, this video is very well-done.
27 minutes in now, and I have some additional remarks.
I believe the fact that Might Guy was able to destroy the truth-seeking orbs and not be injured
is because he had an aura of intense chakra (red).
Similarly, the orbs in the fights of Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya
were destroyed because of interactions between 6 Paths Chakra/Sage Mode Chakra.
Hence, I actually think Kaido would be unable to deal with Madara's TSO.
Furthermore, I think the final form of Madara, even if blitzed and reached by Kaido,
would not succumb to death purely via blunt force and pummeling.
Madara has many defensive techniques on top of the Human Path to extract the soul,
and even in his weaker forms (the past two you talked about),
he displayed massive feats of pure strength such as
completely overpowering the Tailed Beasts that weigh tens of gigatons.
Pulling from the VS Battles Wiki that you cited a few times,
they are each listed at category 5-C, which is quite interesting.
However, due to the nature of how impervious and specific someone must be to deal with Jubidara,
I would ultimately declare him the victor in most confrontations with Kaido. Yes, as mentioned at
27:00, TSO should one-shot Kaido.
One more thing, as you addressed a lot of what I said in your final few questions.
You mention Madara may need a controller plugged in to properly hit his TSO or human path soul extraction, but I would instead argue Madara is an extraordinary genius in terms of learning amidst battle and chakra control/techniques (stated on VS Battle as well). Having this higher battle IQ would allow him to manipulate Kaido into being encircled or trapped by the TSO and inevitably hit, or at the very least stalled long enough for soul-extraction to begin. Furthermore, if we apply TSO's properties of being indestructible without being interacted with by 6-Paths chakra, then Madara can theoretically mega-expand the TSO to simply reach Kaido, or shield himself indefinitely.
@@RoboShaoran You know I have a personal rule that I'm going to enforce my next video onward but in this case just cuz you seem to have a very level take about this and I appreciate it. I'm going to let you know. I think I just figured How strong Luffy actually is. I'll have to put a lot of thought into this one. But here's the thing I don't disagree that Madara can win. I'm cool with either answer. But saying that his battle genius or whatever is going to get him out of this is disingenuous because it doesn't consider that Madara and Sasuke both have the same pattern of EMS. That told him a lot about Sasuke, and he did figure out that they had six paths powers but that didn't help him much. He got blitzed by Sasuke while understanding how Sasuke fights and with SP senjutsu. Their fight never hunted at him being ahead of them. He was running away after he fought out he couldn't win with his second rinnegan. And even then Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything he threw at them. They were never in a bad position or out of control. And as I mentioned we never saw his full strength so you can't argue for a hypothetical. Only for what's given. In his strongest quantifiable form 2 Rinnegan 10 tails Madara is still only weaker than Kaguya and so are Naruto and Sasuke, the best argument you can make for Madara is that he's relative to Naruto and Sasuke who still high diff struggled with Kaguya with Help from DMS Kakashi. Kaguya. Madara is weaker than that and I don't believe he could figure a specific situation to deal with a power system that he's never even heard of or would have any idea of how it works. Kaido would just be a guy that can see in the future, he still has to dodge or block his hits. When they are faster. And he hits about his hard. I'm giving Madara everything. I just don't see how he gets out of this.
@@El_Eon_ Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your clarification in some of the sentiments! I've been talking it over with some friends and it might come up in a future podcast down the road if we ever do one, as this was an interesting topic. I agree that Madara is likely disadvantaged but maybe my personal bias just wants him to win a little bit more...that being said, Kaido IS Him.
Hope your personal stuff was taken care of smoothly and I look forward to future vids!
@RoboShaoran -you know guy never touches TSO if he touch them then he will be erased from the existence, that wasn't might guy who broke TSO, that was kakakshi who made a hole inside TSO by kamui and guy just went through it and break madara's backbone and then he lost to maintain his TSO cause guy just come out of the blue and break his bones and madara's whole body is made up of six path chakra and sage mode that's the reason why TSO was destroyed cause these are the weaknesses of TSO, they just have two weaknesses sage mode and 4D attack potency which can manipulate 4D space just like kamui, kaido will be neg diff by TSO and these aren't the all abilities of madara, also madara tanked teen naruto puch with some of his TSO defence while being almost died from night guy and that puch of teen naruto made cracks on the god tree and then also survived easily from lava style rasenshuriken which totally cut and destroyed the god tree and i tell you that god tree contains almost planet level durability, i am not seeing kaido having that much of strength or AP and bypassing this even with any type of his haki and most of this video's statements can easily be debunked and the list of madara's abilities will be continue.
One Piece power system has grown enourmously since the time skip
Honestly Wano was the biggest power cliff in One Piece I've seen. It's actually crazy how many power ups Luffy needed just to compete with Kaido.
@@msaag5490facts
Kaido wasn’t called the “strongest creature” for nothing or the phrase
“It’s it’s 1v1, always bet on Kaido”
Kaido is the only person so far shown fighting on par and getting the better of gear 5
@@aceclover758PTS One Piece was not gearing up to be this strong except for when WB shifted tectonic plates/the entire ocean, when Kuzan froze the entire ocean, WB can crack an island in two, Akainu can tank said punches, BB gaining WB's power albeit weaker.
Other than the Marineford war, OP was never that strong. (Closest you can imply is Croc actually awakened and effected all of alabasta which is calculated as the same size as Australia).
@@JT-km6th Those were all devil fruits you mentioned
Haki trumps all
This is literally one of the most sensible Madara Vs Kaido scaling videos on the platform, if the The most sensible...
No it’s not bruh he literally didn’t even use any of the planetary feats from the final arc
not verse equalization just makes this invalid
Cry verse equalization is stupid@@Reem-yr1tj
@@Reem-yr1tjit's a vs, if you need to verse equalize then it wasn't a valid fight in the first place
@@mr.bubbletea6428 bro one piece planet is estimated to be 100+ times bigger than ours and you have island busters all around with the islands being countriy sized in their verse, and somehow only naruto fans like to try high balling everything they see into planetary
Big bonk works pretty well 😂
Yep 💪🏾
Kaido really be that late game fed Nasus with over 1000 stacks. The moment he gets you, you die or lose 80% of your health instantly. That's Kaido in league terms.
Ooga into booga is a true combo.
Remember to turn on Caveman mode for extra damage.
Best (only good) powerscaling vid I've seen in like a year. Seriously we need more people like you.
This was a very good breakdown. You don't see many people power scaling one piece outside the verse, but once you do the scale of their battles is absolutely massive. In Naruto the 5kage get overwhelmed by a meteor, meanwhile one piece characters are dealing with them in dressrosa. Kaido is truly built differently
You are actually good at power scaling, most people just glaze which anime they like more and wont accept when their anime character is weaker, but this is actually really accurate, and i don't see any bias.
Time skip boruto cooks kaido
@@UnT4untedwell boruto is destined to kill gods
@@josephswanson3510 madara > this video's statements can debunked very easily.
@@x_Lords-Aizenthen debunk it 🤷♂️
@@simpledude6969 it's been 2 weeks+ now, i don't remember this video, also, madara will win and if you don't believe this then just know the powerscaling, abilities and hax of madara.
Mannn excellent video, you once again did a lot on research and was very fair with this match up. Can't wait for even more videos.
Already got a couple of good ideas so be on the lookout. Thank you!
Unsheathing a sword is different from swinging said sword.
Cutting the top of a mountain is also different from completely destroying a top of a mountain so I believe it's a fair comparison
Unseathing a sword is also different from spitting. Which in the manga was what Kaido did
@@rafaeldias3785it was MULTIPLE MOUNTAINS
@@Thenoble1jMountain Tops, Not even half of the mountains
A chakra sword cutting madara, is different than a regular sword cutting madara.
This is probably my favorite video comparing Naruto and One Piece. This was incredibly fair and unbiased, and you've honestly earned my sub for the sheer amount of effort you put in
Thank you, and I'll keep putting out the same level of quality
It was straight up One piece biased
@@orpheemulemo8053 Just because Madara didn't win doesn't mean he was biased
@@scottiecurrie7927 We both know that kaido is getting shit smacked litterly he used off scaling for kaido and calcts for naruto characters
Off scaling is basically saying a certain character is above a certain character so that should go in speed and strength
Why was he biased at the end of the video he stats kaidos strongest attack is about small planetary level
Why is this Bad because the sheer Chakra pool of the ni
Tentails was almost as big as the entire planet of naruto and that wasn't even it at full power
Than Madara gets it and adds the eight and ninetails to his collection what do you think will happen
@@orpheemulemo8053 He gave extensive reasoning from both Mangas where each character scales. Cope and seethe
I'm grateful this man didn't use equalization, because it's freaking stupid and I can't believe youtubers actually pull that BS.
In my opinion, verse equalization simply does not work within the context of versus battles. I get that some may make the argument that it does at least for some specific scenarios, but ultimately it puts the characters in a disingenuous position. Not to mention that it then creates many arguments based on head canon.
@@El_Eon_but without verse equalization verses battles are pointless.
How can you put a bleach character against another character without verse equalization?
Because it would not be possible to see or sense them unless you’re one of them or if they let you see them.
Verse equalization is good in verse battles because it levels the field. All you literally have to equalize is their power system. E.g mana=chakra, cursed energy=chakra.
@@DiepreyeMoses you don't need verse equalization for any of those examples.
Plenty of characters in other verses can see and interact with spirits and the soul like Naruto, DB, Yuyu Hakusho etc.
You can also just have a stipulation that says character A can see and interact with the bleach character.
It's not good for versus battle because it doesn't equal the playing field. I already mentioned it to the other guy. It gives one person a massive advantage and more than likely doesn't give any advantage to the other or even worse can put them at a disadvantage.
It also makes a bunch of arguments that now have to be made out of head canon.
Would Gojo's eyes inform him about how bleach characters Zanpakuto work even before Bankai is used? Because he can do that with CTs.
Would Madara or Pain be capable of absorbing Haki attacks or Devil fruit attacks?
Because Haki and DFs aren't the same and only one of those can equal chakra.
Can Haki force you out of Genjutsu?
There is no way to argue any of these without it being an argument based on headcanon.
Starting to get my point
Verse equalization does not work
@@El_Eon_Similarly, though, many power systems allow you to suppress another via possessing more of some energy than another (like basically killing people through virtue of having more reiatsu) than another. I think rather than being disingenuous, verse equalization is just another discussion entirely; at least that’s how I see it. Sure, you could talk through the nitty gritty of what would work and what wouldn’t when comparing two different power systems, but that in-of-itself is merely a form of attempting to integrate two different power systems together.
@@El_Eon_ I think in certain situations, Equalization can work, because otherwise it just makes the versus battle boring, in said situations. An example I like to use are logia DFs from One Piece. Because the user of the fruit is immune to almost all forms of damage, except in specific situations, like being wet for Crocodile, rubber for Enel, or something hotter than the flames produced by the Mera Mera no Mi for Ace/Sabo, as well as Haki in general. Verse Equalization makes the fruit user be able to be hit by characters that don't have a way to use the elemental weakness of the fruit, but have acces to something similar to Haki, which is most anime characters.
Another example is Percy Jackson, compared to the JJK Verse. Percy Jackson's main weapon is his sword made out of Celestial Bronze. Weapons made of Celestial Bronze can only harm monsters, gods, and demigods, but don't do anything against normal humans. He still can harm normal humans in other ways, like using water manipulation, but without Equalization, he loses his main form of offense. Using Equalization, where Percy's sword can hit users of Cursed Energy, the matchup is a lot fairer. (That being said, Percy still loses, he has no answer to someone like Sukuna or Gojo)
putting some respect on one piece name ppl quick to think the characters weak😭
No way an attack that couldn't destroy Onigashima is small planetary attack. Luffy's banjrank clash with Kaido's attack should obliterate the island if it was what you calculate it to be. But all we saw where shockwaves that weren't that big. When Minato teleported Ten tails bomb to a far away place, the shinobi alliance still felt the shockwave. No way an attack of small planetary level would produce such small waves. And if it were planetary, Kaido going through the Island should destroy the Island. I feel feat scalers try to apply physics to scenes where they bring about a lot of assumptions and omit newtons third law.
The Bajarang Gun was going to destroy Onigashima, that's why Momo had to get it out of the way. Comparing a bomb explosion to the clash of two attacks that don't have an area of effect beyond their designated target isn't exactly an equal comparison. Kaido went straight through the ground and kept traveling till he hit magma.
@@El_Eon_ and that is exactly what I'm trying to say. These are two attacks that are calculated to be small plant. The speed and strength of these attacks, upon collision should create a massive shockwave due to the release of the high pressure air. For a small planetary attack, these shockwaves should be really felt. I believe even the island should have shook. But there was nothing like that. From a scientific point, it doesn't make sense, except we don't scale those attacks to planetary. If shockwaves of merely offensive grenade could hurt, shouldn't shockwaves of small planetary attacks have significant impact?
@@kweku_tate07 The issue I'm having with this assessment is that you're inputting too much real world logic. You got to remember that this is a world where people can eat fruits that can turn them into elements and animals. If you apply enough scientific logic to it, they shouldn't be light speed, Luffy shouldn't be capable of applying the qualities of rubber onto solid objects around him, the samurai and leftover fighters should be burning up from the intense heat that kaido's flame dragon bagua generating considering the proximity. There's A lot of things that don't make sense if you're trying to apply real world scientific logic. It's fiction, You can argue, for example that the Indra's arrow and tailed beast rasenshuriken explosion should be way larger and more destructive considering the two people that threw them and the fact that the two people that threw them are stronger than the 10 tails but All they did was create a crater larger than the one Hashirama made. You'll have an easier time accepting a couple of things in fiction if you don't try to apply real science to everything. That being said, I only claimed that if you want to accept the calc as a planetary feat, then you can do so. It's not exactly something that needs to be accounted for. The only reason why we use calcs is to quantify how powerful these attacks would hypothetically be if real world math is used.
@@El_Eon_ I totally agree with you on this, we can't apply absolute scientific logic to fictional movies. But you see, in the context of vs battles, there are always going to be bias esp of different verses. An example is how some Naruto fans scale the god tree to planetary just because it absorbs chakra of all living beings on earth. At to a certain degree, they might be right. And in that situation, it makes Naruto's lava rasenshuriken a planetary attacks. But that is clearly bullocks imo. So to me, so far as we aren't using enough real life logic, some of these vs battles are actually meaningless which is why I've always not been a fan of scaling feats. But great video, much respect to your research and effort to stay neutral as much as possible
@@kweku_tate07 I Don't know if I completely agree with the idea that versus battles are inherently meaningless. To an extent, yes that is true. However, I think they are interesting thought experiments when done properly. Obviously there's always going to be a certain amount of bias regardless of a person, but even then if done in a "proper way" then an argument can be made for any two characters battling it out. My biggest problem with the versus battle community as a whole is just the explicit bias that some people seem to have when it comes to their favorite characters or stories. I don't understand how some people can look at some facts or information as it's presented and always make excuses just because they can't or don't want to see their character lose. It's not the end of the world and power scaling as a whole is an ever-changing meta. I for one and someone that believes that the one piece verse is catching up to the Naruto versus in terms of power, but whether or not Luffy can beat Naruto is not something that ultimately means anything. Whether or not the end of one piece ends up having characters that are more powerful than Naruto characters is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Both stories are fantastic for their own specific reasons.
Consecutive BONK is the best thing I've ever herd in power scaling
The last thing I should mention is TSO
Their weakness is senjutsu, Sasuke and kaguya had senjutsu to break them. Not only that TSO are also "Space-Time" but looking at the kanji they are only separate "space" as stated by Zatsu.
And Guy didn't break a TSO, They broke because they came in contact with madara, kamui opened up a hole in that TSO, Guy went in and punched madara and madara came into contact with his own TSO (and because they are weak to senjutsu, of which madara had) they broke.
He literally punched through it and exited the other side with Madara meaning he broke it with taijutsu
@@GG-mr6cq he didn't, Kakashi was the one who opened that whole guy never made contact with it, hack minato even told him not to touch those orbs.
@@nobody5066 I think what the guy is saying is that once Guy was inside the TSO with Madara, Guy used Madara's body like a Senjutsu glove to break the TSO from within using his own strength.
That’s a mistranslation it said Space not Space time
@@Chillchildren999 I literally said that, go read again.
Bro i recently make little research and find that 10tails have enough power to destroy whole albasta wano marinford etcand can defeat any non logia like kido expect luffi with ease or lufii maynot survie this
Ok hear is proof
Dei dara himself told that the diameter of hus strongest bomb is 20 km in dia meter in manga
9tail bomb =all5tail beast bomb comboned
Ok i think biju bomb must stronger then that deidara bomb but u can consider as equal or less then it no problem as it not stated
dedara bomb can destroy half of albasta with ease so u can compare how strong will biju bomb will be
MOST IMPPRTANT part is kisimoto draw a monga pannel where explosion created by 10 tail bomb and creater created all tailed beast is showen
In that pannel it is clearly can be seen that area cover by 10 tail bomb is 50 to 100 bigger then normal tailed beast bomb all blast area are too small to see in lowest ball mean it atlest 200km but it must be greater then 1000km at low ball as it was blast on another continent
And its height is insane if 9tail bomb blast height is 1 cm them it will be at least 40 cm and u can see cloudes floting at its foot mean it cross tropospere and go exospere or atlest thermospere mean at low ball it will be at least 500km high but it normally will be 4000km high
Before u told it all are head canon iwant to say first see the image u can by youself intersept how big is the bomb is just as lufii is continetal by destrying dressrossa
If u find mistake then u can tell me uwill hear if iam wrong
And most important thing is it was the smallest bomb of 10 tail u can make it bigger like obito
So in conclusion iwill say if madera throw that small bomb then whole wano will destroy with easr and some big island of one piece also destroy with ease if not then big vesion is enough
And kaido cant survive blast of that level nither wb roger and u have a doubt for luffi
And tos orb can handle 4giant version of it so kaido cant brake it
Iit also prove naruto world must be bigger then we think
I really like the quality of the video and information not to calc heavy like a physics class but more grounded and enjoyable to watch nice I will be adding this channel to my must watch
Thank you, I'll keep putting out videos with the same or even better level of quality. Still getting my bearings together
I read the disclaimer but, I think the scaling is good except for the speed. Obviously neither character is ACTUALLY lightspeed and in reality they are probably similar speed. So the excuse of "kaido is speed of light so he can dodge any attack that isn't speed of light" is kind of a bs argument imo.
(Also just because your TOP speed is calculated at lightspeed doesn't mean you are always moving at lightspeed, so by your argument of them trying to enjoy the fight they probably wouldn't be at lightspeed dodging attacks)
@@tristangettingtickled49 I made a whole video on why characters can move at Lightspeed. The tldr images that they can because the author said so. No matter how one chooses to argue if the author keeps making light speed Feats and statements then they're light speed.
How would you make a character in ftl then or speed of light? Just make the anime light then without movement XD
@@El_Eon_it just doesn't make sense though at all
@@lmperator it makes perfect sense, fiction doesn't follow the same logic that the real world follows. If the author says something is Lightspeed then it's lightspeed.
Insane quality and very enjoyable to watch.
Since i havent watched Naruto ive found it hard to scale it compared to the One Piece verse. But this video and "Kaido vs 5 Kage" video, paints a really nice picture.
Interesting video.
Personally I wouldn't use vsbattle as a valid source of information. They have made huge mistakes due to misconceptions in the past and some characters still get wanked to this day. It's also good to post your sources so they may be analyzed for accuracy and potential scrutiny due to potentially needing to correct mistakes.
Vsbattles is very good in terms of calculations.
@@arslanabbasi888 For a general idea of how some of the site users views the character, sure but it's still safer to do your own information gathering and try to be as objective as possible without assumption. I just checked and a city level character is still scaled to universal due to a misconception.
This could be biased due to the small sample size so I checked a few more random characters I thought of and most seemed fine. The issue is when you use a wrongly scaled page or one that's controversal. You end up mindlessly regurgitating false information or outlier feats that really shouldn't have happened and the character doesn't scale near to that end in the future or consistently.
EDIT: Forgot to add that video game characters has been scaled incorrectly too since gameplay may not be accurate to the lore or in general media there is gag scenes or visuals/wordings used to hype up a move/character.
give your lives to Christ, oh ye people from lands far and wide
You’re very detailed with your work, I really enjoy it cuz I can tell you love both series
Thank you thank you
if madara is affected by kaidos COC it’s over immediately
if kaido gets trapped in infinite Tsukyomi it’s over immediately
idk how kaido would deal with limbo clones… 10 tails madara is stupidly powerful.
but until madara gets 10 tail… idk. he doesn’t have the output to damage kaido or really enough defense to withstand a barrage from kaido.
even with 9 tails in susano… its not really fair for madara.
we don’t even know his EMS ability… which would be a major factor in the fight.
you just earned a new sub👍🏾 i like hardworking content creators
Thank you so much, I'm trying my best 😭
I love your channel and its crazy seeing the Naruto fans don't their best to downgrade kaido and over hype madara loke they always do. Naruto and One Piece are comparable but One Piece charecters are stronger and faster, naruto charecters judt have way more haxs
Truth be told, I would say that the Naruto verse is still way stronger than the one piece verse especially if you include the boruto era. Kaguya does scale above anything that any of the characters in one piece can do so far. But I'd say one piece is catching up
oh wow i thought it was going to be a different video first then this one , but i won't complain can't wait to see your opinions on this matter
The other one is coming but I felt inspired to finish this one first😂
@@El_Eon_ just finished the video , love the fact you didn't downplay either side besides genjutsu not working, which i agree with but i think even if genjutsu works haki is a 6th sense and can still souls/spirits without sight and can outright neg abilities Devilfruit powers are actual abilities which change dna etc. Also lastly nature based elements are stronger than charka based things for example kirin is actually lightning not charka based lightning so its superior and the same for standard fire and charka based fire like fireball jutsu for example I'm saying that to say kaido elemental control is more devastating than madara own based off of narutoverse lore on average and basically at both peaks. 10/10 video bro
@@halojeff15 yeah there's a whole argument that could be made that Kaido would also be immune to infinite tsukuyomi IF it's true that the cats and all other life forms also have chakra but I couldn't find any info on that in time. As for the way chakra and natural elements interact, it's interesting because they can even affect Otsutsuki characters like Jigen granted he was at the weakest point possible.
@@El_Eon_ true isshiki was weakened at the time but will you do a luffy vs naruto video one day? i feel like it's played out but i am interested in your take , also outside op and naruto would you do other verses? like jjk, aot or bleach? it would be dope if you did a big 3 video as well.
@@halojeff15 I may do Luffy vs Naruto after a sub goal! My reason being that It's been an internet debate for a while now and I'd also like to wait till Luffy gets some better feats since this is the third arc of One piece. Not so much because I'd rather luffy win, but because This is an end of series version of Naruto and Luffy is only at the start of the third arc. I do think they are somewhat close at this point.
Ask for other verses. I do watch JJK and I have seen bleach though I'm not the biggest fan of bleach for a couple of reasons. I could make a video on that if people are interested but ultimately I don't know where exactly to get a lot of scans for bleach. The amount of nice things that I have to say about bleach more or less end at music and character design 😅. And if you go by the series itself, there isn't really a lot of concrete evidence that helps scale many attacks or feats without calcs. Like I really haven't been able to find a light speed in the series but I haven't done that much research anyway.
As for JJK, I could do some versus battles on it, but it's also another case where I don't know where to get any scans.
Dragon Ball is extremely high tier in terms of power levels. I'd have to compare it to something like sailor Moon or Saint seiya for any fight to be fair and I have never watched any of those.
As for AOT, I'm not entirely done with the series, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. I only started liking the show after episode 64 or 65
This, was actually a good video, I respect your honesty on the vid
this was pure shit he used vs battle wiki a joke of a site
Really good video, honestly better and more in-depth than most powerscalers on TH-cam, keep it up.
Massive madara downplay boooooooo
I dont like one piece so i never got to kaido but madara scaling above the 9 tails and the 9 tails being planetary means gg for kaido. Majestic attire is an instant gg. Even if you wanted to pretend madara doesnt have the ap to deal with him the full 9 tails definitely does and madara can summon and mind control the 9 tails whenever.
Also any version of madara can and will just genjutsu kaido. Idk why people keep saying genjutsu doesnt work on chakraless beings in 2024 but it literally does. Sharingan/rinnegan genjutsu work fine, Manda is a sage creature with nature energy instead of chakra and gets genjutsu'd by sasuke. In the novel itachi puts a hive of bees under genjutsu, and lets get something very clear... hagoromo spread chakra to his followers after kaguya was sealed. we know kaguya placed the planet under Infinite Tsukuyomi. Nobody on the planet had chakra when they got genjutsu'd to hell by kaguya.
Every version of madara clears
when you have no idea of other character you should not debate.
first kiado also scale to start level because being relative to white beard. second every thing in naruto planet have chakra because of first infinite sukayomi caused by kaguya. in verse equation kiado can simply resist ant for of genjutsu because of haki.
I love your other videos but the one piece bias in this one wild. Madara blitz by raikage? Is like saying kaido was getting beat by luffy pre prison training arc.
Did we forget the whole madara viewed the fight as adults vs children abd what adult would go all out against a child?
Those two are not even remotely similar examples.
He did get blitzed by the raikage twice. He never dodged him. Read the chapters, watch the fights. He never dodges the raikage. He can view them as children, doesn't mean He's faster than Ay.
Also, I appreciate you liking my videos
@@El_Eon_brother that isn't what he is talking about.
The speed difference and strength that you portrayed for madara is horrible.
Madara never tagged raikage becz it is in character for him to tank attacks and gauge the strength of his enemies. He couldn't care less about attacks from raikage as his attacks wouldn't effect him either way. He was taking the whole fight as a warm up and to top things up raikage's speed was amped unquantifiably by onoki as he made him lighter.
Ms sasuke pre danzo fight tagged and doged attacks form raikage and madara scales like much much higher than that,
Ms sasuke(raikage fight) < Ms sasuke (danzo fight)
I can tell you did a lot reseach for making this video and I loving for it. Regarless of who would win, it would be a interesting fight.
I agree, it’s extremely close when you get to six paths madara and honestly the answer really can vary
@El_Eon_ no it cant lol madara shitstomps
@@thatdude659care to make an actual argument. Cause we can do the same then. Kaido shitstomps no diff while handstanding
If madara isnt edo i dont see how he wins
Don chinjao split the ice continent with his head, this same attack traded evenly with dressrosa luffy elephant gun
Kaido is just so so far above madara physically
10tail every attack u can count
For ems majestic atire susanoo or simply perfectsusanoo but it may be draw 😊
I never like these face off battles, especially these Naruto battles they always go for these brain dead terms like "no dif, this character slams this verse or solos this verse, blitzes this character" like what's the point in these battles if you won't even look at what these characters can do and just high ball one character while low balling the other. But your videos are a godamn breath of fresh air, I don't hear glazing I actually hear a reasonable amount of scaling.
One thing I will say is the One Piece planet doesn't have multiple moons and that's most likely a Geocentric model so those are probably planets in the Library of Ohara, cuz Oda has made it a point to show the moon and it's phases to show the passage of time specifically in the pre-time skip and he's never shown multiple Moons in the sky, however he could reveal something about the physical planet in the next couple of chapters cuz the manga is going crazy rn lmao 🤣
Underrated comment
Powerscalers when one character is crushingly more powerful than the other: “they’re in character”
Like the previous videos it is very enjoyable to watch
Thank you! Means a lot
Ok kaido defet naruto villan then what about kaido vs aizen 😊
Most likely Aizen would one shot Kaido.
1. Kaido cant perceive someone in a higher dimension
2. Spiritual pressure will vaporize him (aizen is top 1 in his verse when it comes to spiritual pressure)
3. Ichigo can destroy dimensions like hell or hueco mundo. He even destroyed a pocket dimension just by activating his bankai. Aizen is supposed to be strong as or stronger than ichigo at this point.
5. Aizen is literal immortal. No one could kill aizen in soul society. Not even Yamamoto, who can be scaled to atleast solar system level. (Stated to be strong enough to destroy soul society with his bankai activation)
6. SPEED. Much faster than light. For example; flash steps are faster than light speed as we have seen shinigamis dodging lights like nothing. And aizen literally slammed almost all of gotei 13 without much effort at a time. (Note: every one of them are faster than light)
7. HAX. Kyoka suigetsu. Perfect hypnosis. Anyone who sees him puts into this perfect hypnosis. It can manipulate all 5 senses without regard. If KAIDO got in kyoka suigetsu, kaido cannot reliable in his senses anymore. He has to solely rely on his observation haki from this point. KAIDO is most likely got defeated after affected by this ability.
U are right
@Angygoku do u know madera 3 eyes can defeat him😊
Ican prove
When u nerf Marada to say he can’t dmg or react when he’s reacting to instant tp ,ftl movement, and his sasanou swinging a sword destroying mountain ranges 😂😂😂 . Also you are taking about haki like chakra can’t do the same thing while Madara is head and heels overall just smarter .
Dude, Doflamingo with no future sight could react on instant tp from Law and was able to blitz Luffy who called light beams too slow. G4 Luffy could match Doflamingo and both are already much faster than Madara whose level is base post timeskip Luffy at most. Kaido is much faster than all of this.
You do such a good job with scaling, and I’m a bit disappointed in the community for downplaying Kaido since his defeat. Also, unrelated but how much do you think Edo Tensei nerfs a character?
Thank you and yeah people will continue to perpetrate this notion that because one piece has been the weakest out of the big three, it will always be the weakest out of the big three, but a mid-series villain like kaido is already catching up to some of the top tiers of the verse. So I don't know. I'm not going to outright state that one piece characters are starting to become more powerful than Naruto characters but soon enough There may be some contention.
As for Edo tensei, It's honestly unquantifiable. Maybe they come back at 8/10 of their strength idk, I've seen some other power scalers argue that the Edo tensei nerfs stronger characters more rather than weaker ones because the mid tier fighters Don't seem to be that much weaker than when they were alive.
idk man kaido is said to be the strongest so he aint by no means getting topped any time soon many of one peices high tiers sit around the same level also i dont know what the one peice characters are gonna do against people like kaguya who just has a instant win condition with the ETSO@@El_Eon_
@@joshuaanderson7027 I agree, that's why I can't say one piece characters are stronger or will be stronger only that they are catching up. Eternal true seeking orb is definitely a technique that probably every single one piece character can't handle
@@El_Eon_do think Imu from one piece is strong or weak
@@Mimihon-c1l I think Imu has to be strong especially if he's the potential final villain
I have a question if genjutsu only works in people with chakra is that not the same with infinite sukoyomi
thats a fair question honestly
Hence why I wrote a paragraph stating that I'm not sure because normal animals shouldn't have chakra but some cats were affected by the I.T.
In some sources like Naruto wiki it's stated that "all life forms have chakra" which would then include the cats, therefore justifying the argument that Kaido wouldn't be affected by I.T.
But I can't really use the wiki as a valid canon source and I didn't have enough time to double check the whole series
@@El_Eon_ Everyone got chakra from kaguya coming to earth, when she first arrived with and used infinite sukoyomi when none had chakra. She still had everyone induced in the genjutsu.
@@kaianimations675 That just means kaido would be affected by the infinite tsukuyomi
@@El_Eon_it makes sense for rinnegan/sharingan genjutsu to work on people without chakra because they use it to conquer universes where people and animals dont have chakra systems. They probably have the physical and spiritual energies that make up chakra even if they dont have a "chakra system" given that ninshu can crrate chakra systems for people that dont have it.
We know that genjutsu used by various dojutsu users works on animals that existed before kaguya came to the elemental nations that just used natural energy, like sage animals.
Your drunk ems madara susanoo rips him apart. You are implying the scabbards can hit harder than a perfect susanoo lol
No I'm implying that the scabbards have an easier time bypassing his durability. Which ems Madara has no options for. Susanoo is never landing a hit
@@El_Eon_ the sharingan has precog to say a susanoo isn't landing a hit is pretty crazy considering he can make like 25 all with the sharingan
Also what are you scaling Kaidos durability to?
@@weafy6007 and I went over that in either this video or my vs Kage video. EMS Madara is NOT holding back against Kaido. Perfect Susanoo is stronger than 25 full body Susanoos. He can't make 25 perfect Susanoo and he only ever did it with Wood clones but even if I let him do it with Shadow clones it wouldn't matter because if Tsunade and Ay can somewhat deal with them, then Kaido is one shotting them. As for Durability he scales much higher than damage his damage output since he can tank his own blast breath without damage
I can already see the Naruto glazers talking like this is biased.
They say that Naruto characters are planetary and use certain data books to justify all the power scaling.
Using the same logic with One Piece, in the data books the One Piece planet is 3 times bigger that the damn sun.
Thus their physical capabilities are far better than Naruto characters when put together since either Naruto characters get no diffed by gravity, or they get speed/power blitzed.
One piece planet is not 3 times bigger than our earth ajs no one on one piece is planet level. Naruto blocked a moon splitting attack with ease and otsusukis are easily planet level lol
@@FireGodSlayerAccording to statements such as Marco's, one piece planet contains more than 20 million islands which puts raw ground of OP planet to be 30 times bigger than Earth and 3 times bigger than Jupiter. Islands takes about 10% of OP verse so having full size of OP verse litteraly gives OP planet at very least size of Star.
Old Whitebeard who is by far the weakest yonko with his casual punch shook islands all over Sun size planet in chapter 556 page 4, this feat alone outscales all feats of Naruto verse.
Moon splitting attack is multi continental level at most and it's not canon, since it was taken from non canon movie.
And even if it was Moon level attack, it's thousands times weaker than Old Whitebeard casual punch.
And there is no a single Ootsutsuki who is higher than building level. Even Isshiki with his rods just slightly damaged stone roof after using several rods.
@@manlight5035"This feat alone outscales Naruto" Ah yes lets ignore Kaguya creating a space time continua (canon to the dub and is accurate translation" that has solar systems and stars in it. This feat alone isnt even wanking unlike your statement.
@@neopy1578 Let's ignore Databooks which basically say that her dimensions aren't solar systems but just planets, let's ignore that in order to create another planet she needed to absorb chakra from entire Naruto verse, let's ignore that in One Piece there is side character who according to Databooks can create parallel universes and yet he is still outmatched by base pre Wano Luffy, let's ignore that creating something doesn't defy battle capability.
@manlight5035 Lmao I never used "databooks" feats tf you mean? I'm saying that ingames and in the anime solar systems and stars were shown countless times. And a creation feat is way more impressive then a DC feat, she's manifesting a whole new universe and threatening to destroy it.
Just from the disclaimers I can tell Madara is winning. Let's see if I'm right lol
Depends how the fights go it can be kaido or madara im one piece fan still I say madara has the edge but still kaido has speed and strength so it can go ehither whey
@@Mimihon-c1l They should have comparable speeds, he screw madara over with the speeds.
@@faith4657 naw kaido is faster and stronger one piece character are known for strength Naruto character are mostly haxs
@user-lk5lg2jn8x and naruto characters also have strength peep ohonki, raikage, and literally kinship the world spliter, so?
Got an exam tomorrow, and I am studying Madara vs Kaido 😭
To be honest, this was the best and most fair way of comparing 2 characters we love.
I found your channel by random and this for sure, needs more attention!
The fact that everything was canon and presented with facts and sources, it was just like an elegant dish served to our minds.
it came from verse battle wiki a shit site
thanks for the info, why is it shitty though?@@eddieboston6540
SAME
Not to hate but I feel like you heavily down played the naruto scaling,
Kurama has planetary level statements in the databooks (“power to easily turn the world to ash” and his biju bomb having “earth shattering power”) with madara scaling quite a bit higher than Kurama, with the ten tail’s chakra being shown to be have planet levels. And you have 10 tails madara scaling lot too far away from kaguya who could create dimensions with stars In them
And when it comes to speed, there’s possible light speed scaling for characters like haku, mifune, and the Samari , whom all scale quite a bit below the raikage. I’m not sure if it would be enough to say that EMS madara would blitz Kaido, but given how much stronger and faster 10tails makes a character, I feel like it wouldn’t be far fetched to say 10 tails madara could blitz.
I know a lot of these feats have interpretations, but I feel like you ignored a pretty solid interpretation for the naruto characters
Tailed beasts are weaker than their jinchuriki counterparts, The statement that he can turn the world to Ash is from a full power Kurama. All of his best feats come from KCM 2 Naruto. The 10 tails isn't as strong as Kaguya. The ten tails has a planet's worth of chakra that doesn't mean that all of its attacks scale to planetary.
Haku and mifune only have light speed scaling when using specific Jutsu. The raikage is stated verbatim to be able to reach the speed of light, If you're going to use data book statements. Don't skip over that. The raikage also tagged Madara multiple times. As for Kurama, turning the world into ash, two things can be said about that either. It's a hyperbolic statement. Or it can be interpreted that he can turn the world's surface into ash by firing tailed beast bombs over a certain period of time. None of his attacks have even remotely proven that he could just wipe out the planet itself if he wanted to. Being planetary doesn't mean that you can destroy a planet in one shot. You can be planetary by destroying a planet over a period of time. I could just as easily argue that Kurama is planetary if he were to continuously fire tailed beast bombs as he crosses through the entire planet and even then at best he'd only be destroying the surface given actual feats. Also, Madara is un-quantifiably faster as the 10 tails Jinchuriki. He was getting blitzed by attacks that weren't light speed with the Sekizo. And as I said in the video, the best you could scale night guy to is light speed because it warped space.
you overscale naruto
@@SukixChaos I’m sure I do
@El_Eon reply to this now i had so much fax and u removed all the comments when i debunked everyting you said and added what madara could also do your a scammer
I didn't delete your comments, you didn't debunk anything. How am I a scammer?
Conq haki could probably just breaks through it
ELON genjutsu works kaguya did it on people without chakra and madara used it on animals madara is immortal
Yeah chakra is also spiritual energy which is vey similar to haki
@@walnutstudio502 haki and chakara are not similar at all, haki is will power that you can use to harden your skin and do dmg chakara is basically just energy
@@bboytwo9482 Chakra is created when two more primal energies, known collectively as one's stamina are moulded together. Physical energy and SPIRITUAL ENERGY. Haki originates from an individual's SPIRIT and not their physical body best shown when smoker and tashigi switched bodies.
Every human in naruto has some innate chakra, Otherwise it wouldnt explain why kaguya just sacced alot of ppl to be sucked dry by the god tree if they never had any chakra to begin in the first place
We also know the otsutsukis travel around space and suck energy from various planets. if they never had any chakra how exactly did they accquire chakra and condense it into a fruit?
@El_Eon_ I've pointed to all the evidence you needed.
You're the one writing Inconsistent walls of texts that don't prove anything.
This is incorrect
genjutsu doesnt disrupt your opponent's chakra flow to their brain and making them see illusions it causes the victims to see illusion which in turn disrupts the chakra in their brain and by erasing this disruption you can erase the genjutsu.
You are confusing the cause and effect of the genjutsu it's the illusion that is the cause, and the disruption the effect not the other way around If the chakras flow towards the brain is how genjutsu works, then how can a sealed tailed beast be controlled by genjutsu or that matter normally tailed beast since they don't even have any biological components
Genjutsu works by disrupting your senses which in turn affect chakra network, which all living beings have but not all individuals are able to utilize and thus lack a chakra network if not traiend. Chakra doesn't just affect ninjas with chakra network but people who are living beings with energy. Haki is akin to chakra in general. Itachi put a regular human in his genjutsu. Deal with it. One piece characters are affected.
Kaido is a being who is susceptible to being caught in genjutsu. Deal with it. Him not having a chakra network doesn't prove that he won't be affected when he's a living being with haki which at its base is akin to chakra. Prove to me that not having a chakra network will allow you to not be affected by genjutsu? You have absolutely no evidence and you're arguing like a moron.
Shouldn’t the ten tails tailed beast bomb be taken into account? I mean, do you think juubi madara can’t replicate the same effect with his susanno or be able to tank multipe of it as he absorbed the ten tails? I jus doubt kaidos final attack could outweigh multiple of those. Then we could compare sasukes susanno to the ten tails as that susanno was having an equal clash with a tailed beast bomb by kurama and the tailed beast bomb is much more destructive that those slices madara showed against the Kage.
Naw kaido would easily dodge or just tank it
@@Mimihon-c1l dodge sure, tank i don't know bro.
@@faith4657 bro are dum he literally tank gamma ray and walk it off 10 tens is getting folded by him madara and ten tails is better fight and can go ehither whey
@user-lk5lg2jn8x 10 tails madaravisnt getting folded, and I can't believe you tried comparing gamma knife to something that literally 1 shots you.
@@faith4657 I think dum do really think kaido would get 1 shot by 10 tails bro compare kaido size and speed and strength kaido takes bigger then 10 tails he stronger hes mftl plus bro i hate people that down play one piece character
One thing I noticed in theese naruto vs op debates is that naruto fans usually relay on scaling the ap and not dc ( like you did) so there are like planetary feats and more and end the debate like that, on the other hand op fans usually compleatly ignore ap scaling and give arguments on how they're hax can overcome everything.
That said Im not saying you are biased but it really just depends on how you do the math and wich method you decide to use, most people just say "well madara is star level because ... So kaido who only scales to planet highball cant do shit to him"
So overall I enjoyed your video and I likee how you talked about basically everything in they're arsenal and how it would be utilized, not many people consider the "in character" stuff ypu did.
The only thing I can say that I disagree with is the naruto speed scaling ( tbh everyone has a different opinion about this and you picked the most reliable) but back in part 1 itachi used a jutsu on kakashi that was stated to be light speed... So if you consider this the speed gab is to reconsider but idk if this feat got debunked or something so idk if you could give me a motivation it would be nice.
(Also people who say kid naruto is light speed because of the haku statement are biased because they litteraly fight against sound ninjas the arc after and cant dodge until some powerups, but I could see kakashi and itachi being light speed at that point)
Your comment is quite fair, all things considered. Say that the Madara being a star level threat is something I can't agree with for a couple of reasons. The only star level feats in the entire Naruto series is Kaguya's ever expansive truth seeking orb. Madara does not scale to that because he's weaker than her. He never displayed an attack That's even remotely that destructive. He also hasn't tanked anything, even remotely close to a star level attack and Naruto and Sasuke who I believe are actually stronger than him based on their performance against them before he was betrayed couldn't have tanked that truth seeking orbit.
As for the Itachi statement, I'm not sure what jutsu you're referring to unless it's tsukuyomi which requires direct eye contact and isn't so much a light speed attack more so it distorts the target sense of time.
@@El_Eon_ the star scaling I gave him was something I made up on the moment because tbh idk where he scales at😅, it was simply to explain how I feel about the people that talk about this debate, as for the itachi move it was some sort of water bullet jutsu that in the databooks is stated to be light speed, or at least this is what I heard from other people who made naruto scaling videos.
I think the water bullet light speed feat could be a good one because haku was stated to be able to move at light speed but the arc after with the sound ninjas kinda proves that, at least against naruto and sasuke he didnt.
Thats why I like to connect the "he possibly can move at light speed" from haku with the itachi jutsu statement, because haku was able to move fast enought to step in front of kakashi's chidori (wich gives the user more speed if im not mistaken) and kakashi later was able to react to a possible light speed jutsu.
Kakashi was kinda rusty during the land of waves arc and thats why I feel like haku did go light speed to block kakashi's chidori and thats why the databook says he could but naruto and sasuke are obviously not light speed at that moment but kakashi could've.
So kakashi noticed he was rusty (especially after his encounter with kabuto) and I believe by the point he encountered itachi
He would have most likely reached that light speed required to dodge the jutsu.
Its kinda tricky how I view it but most people just straight up ignore theese statements calling them hyperbolys or take them too seriously, since I dont think either of theese is fun I tried connecting what I could and I ended up with this...
Oh also one other thing, how do you feel about the kurama statement "he could burn the world to ash" because idk how to judge that one.
@@PinoHolly04 well so here's the thing right, Itachi's water bullets have never been stated to be light speed and I don't think there's any data book entry that even remotely hints at the fact that they are.
Haku's ice mirror Jutsu specifically allows him to move from a mirror to mirror at the speed of light. And to be fair, that is the only light speed statement in all of part 1. As for Kakashi, I don't think he was rusty and I'm not sure as to what may have hinted at that.
As for the kurama being capable of turning the world to ash, i am 90% sure that refers to the full nine tails. And even then there's a massive misconception that people seem to have where being a certain tier of power automatically means that you have the capacity to destroy something instantly.
Being a planet, buster does not mean that you can one shot a planet. It means that you have the capability to destroy a planet over a period of time. The Kurama statement can be considered true because it was stated in a data book, however, considering he hasn't shown any feats that even remotely hint at this means that he can destroy the world or at least the surface of the planet by blasting it constantly with tailed beast bombs as he travels across the planet. It's all a matter of interpretation at the end of the day. That would still make him planetary, but more or less surface level, unless you believe that his tailed beast bombs could throughout a time frame Carve way at the world itself, but I don't think he can just do that by volleying in one consecutive wave of blasts.
@@El_Eon_ fair enought, as for the water bullet statement I saw it from other youtube videos and if you google "naruto water bullet light speed statement" you should see it too, but it could be a misstranslation and at that point what I said is basically useless.
As for what hinted about kakashi being rusty we know that in his anbu days he was able to constantly use the sharingan even without covering it(like for example in the war arc) but when we see him in the land of waves arc, after the fight against zabuza he basically faints because he overused the sharingan for this reason a lot of people that made videos about this (and me) think that kakashi was actually stronger as an anbu menber than he was back in part 1, after he realized he was rusty he started training again because he thought he needed to in order to "save" sasuke and thats why he is stronger in shippuden and can use the mangekio.
@@PinoHolly04 are you sure you aren't confusing it with the jutsu used against naruto during the war arc? that one has a data book entry of being lightspeed...
U forgot to include madaras tree expansion jutsu it’s considered planetary as the roots traveled across the planet, now I will say ppl love including this feat but it’s not relative to everything else he’s done, like it’s a function that the god tree does it’s not like madara is synching up with every human seeing there dreams and feeling the chakra he stole 😂 naw it’s more like he turned on the washer machine and it did it’s thing.
Cuz if it truly was him he could have used those same roots that have planetary range to slap saskue and Naruto out of orbit giving them the pillar man finisher 😂
Yeah the Jutsu definitely seemed to be more of a byproduct of the I.T. I didn't want to even think about a hypothetical combat application since it seemed to only be used to turn people into zetsu.
I really wish we got to see his full power
it isn't used for combat, but that doesn't change that madara used a hand sign to actually spread the roots across the planet since everyone was already affected by the IT.
i see you use vs wiki
i like vs wiki but kaidos ap is a little bit low he is large planet and on vs wiki small planet its finde but he is ftl+ with a lifting strength y
madara is moon level with relavistic+ speed kaido is massivly faster and stronger then guy with future sight before madara do anything he get speed blittzzzzzz and one shotet hes body gets destroyd with one attack frome kaido i explain you the large planet the world from one piece is 12 times bigger then the earth and whitebeards statement was not debunked and kaido Should be almost on the same level and good video
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There's instances of GENJUTSU working on beings without chakra in Naruto such as Manda. An argument can be made due to this, A GENJUTSU against A One Piece character would end up using their Haki to perform said Genjutsu. Madara doesn't really use Genjutsu in character anyway, he only uses it on fodder. He prefers to actually fight.
He said no verse equalization in the video. Which actually helps the Naruto verse more since Haki can power nullify abilities place on their bodies. Even observation Haki could be argue to see pass illusion.
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Manda has chakra
Yeah the genjutsu that comes from the sharingan isn't necessarily controlling person's chakra as other types of genjutsu in naruto that are made by a none uchiha cz the sharingan and its genjutsu take over the mind and not the chakra better say but long time genjustsu it's what effect the chakra that doesn't even exist in op
@@StudyFors4 Every genjutsu affects the brain or the body.
But the way they achieve that is through perturbing the enemy's chakra or injecting their own chakra into their opponents.
Either of those will be either ineffective or noticed by One Piece characters.
The only thing they will not notice is Izanagi or Izanami (unless they have future sight)
No, it's Genjutsu ÷ Chakra - Haki.
Holy damn. Well! Can’t argue with the facts, man. It is what it is. That boy Kaido is like that.
Honestly bro i think your downplaying Madara quite a bit honestly especially with the 5 kage fight feats you're bringing up. Madara as stated himself was toying with them the entire time "What adult would go full force when fighting mere children?" to say you think the Raikage is faster than Madara is laughable. I don't think it changes much but still some of these are just straight up downplays. Also the 10tail feats Naruto and Saskuke were fighting a much weaker version of Madara when they were beating him down. Both Rinnegan together are stronger than both of them are individually when Madara got both he was handling them boys pretty easily.
Madara never dodged the Raikage's attacks. Look at the whole fight he landed every attack.
He was not handling them both pretty easily, Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything that he threw at them. Not to mention he went straight for the infinite tsukuyomi he wasted no time. All he did was slow them down.
And they defeated a more powerful individual Kaguya.
i just know bro's favorite part of making the kaido vids is saying "UNGA BUNGA" 😂
Lool op fans just be riding 🥩. And the op fans in the comments gassing you up🤣🤣 Madara with rinnegan will end kaido🤦🏾♂️ it’s like no one watched the anime smh
Little kid trying not to ragebait: challenge level impossible
Bro stop I’m a naruto fan but even I admit kaido wins (I watch both anime btw not just one or the other). Naruto and sasuke still solo the verse though if that makes you feel better.
Can you make a how powerful is Luffy scaling??
I could!
@@El_Eon_ Where do you think he scales at, Also do you think your Kaido videos are repetitive slightly since Its mostly Kaido 😅, Its still good video. For me Luffy is multi continental with ftl+
@@Chillersnowman his ap acales way higher than multi Continental..hw was aleeady continettal plus at dessarosa..he is atleast moon level and low planetary with bajarang gin according to vs battle wiki
@@emmanueladekunle3088 That's true as I did try to lowball Luffy, He should be in that Moon lvl to small planet category if he did a bajrang gun gatling.
Luffy should be well into planetary ranges and faster light plus or massively faster than light 🤷🏾♂️
Awesome vid bro. Watched the entire thing. Good effort on your part with all your research and respect for both characters
Ty ty
can we stop using the pacifistas as a valid light speed indicator because it is very obviously shown in both anime and manga to not be light speed nor is kizaru's.. light wouldnt be shown as little orbs it would be a straight beam due to its speed its either that isnt light speed or light works differently in one piece
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we should also not try to calculate how much attack potency an attack would have by the speed and attack, considering a needle going light speed would have an impact comparable to a meteorite, which is obviously not the case.
in conclusion neither one piece or naruto universe was made to be scaled as there are imperfections and bringing real life physics into fiction would just be dumb
@@grimpler5341 this comment is very contradicting
@@El_Eon_ explain
@@grimpler5341 you say that there are problem with bringing real life physics into fiction but arguing that a needle going light speed would have an impact comparable to a meteorite is bringing real life physics into fiction when an a author says something is lightspeed that the end of decussation
@@asmiledcrocodile when the calculations dont compare to what is being shown thats going against the author aswell. im sure if luffy had the power of a death star in his every punch the author would make it known.
Well, if you were to ask oda, he a joke about it, but I get where you're coming from because the power of night guy or flame dragon bagua was never stated or shown you have to take some liberties so it understandable if you disagree as for lightspeed an author or really an artist can show light however they want if floating island over bottomless pits massive vertical mountains and an ocean made of clouds are fair game then I don't see way showing light as little orbs isn't
🗣 oskustki kaguya was easily planet. Lvl she can create her own dimensions & her black ⚫️ truth seeking orbs is existence eraser, aka it negates all durability. She made a huge on & that would've destroyed the earth said in manga. This anime naruto shippuden kaguya btw. She's foddar compared to momoshiki from boruto. Momoshiki is star level. He scales above kaguya which was basically star level. Bc kaguya was making moons & suns in her dimensions. Literally jigen a weaker isshiki would foddarize momoshiki lol. Might isshiki. G5 luffy cant even Power scale passed kaguya bro😭😭😭
So6p madara vs kaido is not close AT ALL💀💀💀💀
Itachi says “AmateratsuVictSaysWhat?”
Kaido:
“What”
‘Nuff said.
@@m.caeben2578 He says "too slow"
@@animeworld5847water style kaido drowns💀
@@g.x.a.t..6408when do you see madara use water style?
@@May9ine just because he never did it doesn’t mean that he can’t, he does have control of all chakra natures
Susanoo is capable of literally withstanding temperatures six times hotter than the surface of the sun. Tsunade, in managing to crack Susanoo, demonstrates an extraordinary level of power that surpasses any feat in One Piece. And wasn't there a technique something like Wood Style Flower Jutsu, designed to induce sleep, that could effortlessly subdue someone as formidable as Kaido. This powerful jutsu would easily bypass his defence. And you just literally ignored the flower jutsu
Even if we stay kiddo doesn't have the brute force to breakthrough the Susanoo which he definitely does he can just use advanced armament haki to bypass the Susanoo entirely As for the flower jutsu he has to wait for the flowers to bloom and there's nothing That would stop kaido from completely obliterating the entire forest. Also correct me if I'm wrong on this but I heard somewhere that you can ignore the flowering forest if you have strong enough willpower and if that's the case then haki being willpower should also allow him to ignore it but fact check me on that
@@asmiledcrocodilelate reply but madara would undoubtedly be able to withstand any attack Kaido could throw at him. His Susanoo has already proven its durability, surviving Amaterasu, which, according to the canon novel, burns with heat comparable to the sun. Even without the protection of Susanoo, Madara's physical fortitude, especially after being revived without the Ten-Tails, is formidable enough to endure Kaido's strongest blows. Moreover, the sword that pierced Madara's hand was no ordinary weapon as the video descripes it to be as it was capable of clashing with Kinshiki's chakra blade a blade powerful enough to slice through planets, as stated in the lore. In contrast, Kaido lacks any comparable weaponry or techniques to kinshiki kaido,Madara Uchiha's physical strength is exceptional, particularly when compared to other shinobi. Consider Ōnoki, who is significantly weaker yet managed to lift an entire island without fully relying on his jutsu, which can reduce an object's weight. Despite his ability to manipulate weight, Ōnoki still carried the island's considerable mass. This is evident from the panel showing the island turtle falling into the water after he releases it,also because of kumo statement.
Given that Madara surpasses Ōnoki in both power and strength, it’s reasonable to conclude that Madara could perform such a feat with far greater ease.but the only problem he has is dura neg he coupd also probably withstand it because of 1st hokage cells and
this all ain't even compariable to juubi madara lol he outscales alive madara by a large margins
@@shahib805 Thank you for replying
1 It was stated that Amaterasu High temperatures is like the sun And that it was named after the goddess of the sun as it continues to burn. Neither of these outrights state that it is has hot as the sun (But it can be interpreted that way) I would furthermore argue that luffy is also the Sun God and also has fire based attacks So if it's reasonable to conclude that Madera has survived attacks as hot as the sun then it's also reasonable to conclude that Kaido has done the same.
2 Madara doesn't have that many feats of tanking attacks outside of his Susanoo. Even as the 10 tails he got cut in half by Naruto and Sasuke. He didn't tank the attack you mentioned And even if you did clashing with something doesn't automatically make you as powerful as that thing and if you want to argue it does There's nothing implying that an attack needs to be that powerful for it to hurt madara
3 Ōnoki Lifted up a meteor not an island and kaido Was able lift up onigashima (Which is larger than most real life mountains) with his flame clouds For several hours while fighting Luffy
4 There's still the issue of speed
5 Have a great day
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@@asmiledcrocodile no problem 😁 but
1. If something is stated to be "like the sun," it could vary from 6,000°C to as high as 15 million°C. So, I'm not sure how you concluded that it wasn't as hot as the sun when it was directly compared to it. The name doesn't contradict the statement of it being as hot as the sun.moreover, Luffy didn't use any sun-based attacks in his Gear 5 against Kaido, so it's safe to assume that Kaido wouldn't be able to withstand a literal sun.
2. As I mentioned, Madara could survive the heat of the sun, even in his base form, simply by covering his body with chakra similar to how Naruto did when fighting Sasuke. Since Kaido can't survive the heat of the sun, it's unlikely he could tank those slashes from Sasuke either.
3. Onoki lifted Turtle Island and flew with it across several kilometers probably. The meteor part happened when he was fighting Madara, but that's not what I'm referring to
@@asmiledcrocodile one more thing didn't madara tank directs hits from naruto and sasuke after awakaning his third eyes blud wasn't even fazed also while staping sakura
Haven't watched the vid but I got a question. When ppl use Star level OP scaling, wouldn't comparing the size of the planet to a star to upscale the verse be arbitrary false? Since Stars are much denser than a planet?
Also couldn't you interpret WB's statement as life wiping?
Watch the vid. It has nothing to do with what you just said.
@@Ahhhhh638 What I said wasn’t meant to be directly related to the video but ok.
@@sosa8549 if you didn't mean it as a question about the video and didn't watch the video then why are you commenting
@@Ahhhhh638 because I can… Why tf do you even care?
I see what you mean. But that depends on the context.
If the attack calcs to do enough damage to blow up a star, then it is star level, regardless of the surface of area it targets ( a good example would be saint seiya characters, where their attacks are so controlled that they do no collateral damage).
In the context of One Piece, explaining the size of the planet to non fans is important. Because a feat that would seam to be "city level" could actually be continent level and a non fan wouldn't know.
I disagree some of it but Ms Madara have no chance against kaido but after Ms Madara Madara takes it that mine 🎉
Throws Space Rock
Raises large bonk club
‘NANI!’
This was good. More One Piece vs Naruto content. Maybe something like the Admirals vs Konoha or one of the Yonkou and their entire Empire vs a Shinobi village.
I was considering doing Big Mom vs the leaf, will most likely start work on the research and script
@@El_Eon_Thats good news.
One MAJOR mistake you made in comparing Susanoo Sword to Kaido's Breath.......
The full power of Kaido's Breath is what destroyed the single mountain.....
But it was the _shockwave_ of the _power_ of the sword swing that bisected the mountains in half. These mountains where not close to him, his Susanoo is just _that_ big. Those mountains were at minimum a few kilometers away from the battlefield from which the Kage were fighting.
So you can't compare the full blast of Kaido to the shockwaves of the sword swing and then say since Kaido can tank his own blast then he can tank a _DIRECT_ cut from Perfect Susanoo Sword Swing. You can make the argument he'd tank the shockwaves, not the actual strike
I could possibly agree that the actual Blast Breath doesn’t calc as impressively as Madara’s mountain cut, even if only because I haven’t bothered to calc the feat myself.
That being said, given the calc I saw from Zaelleaz’s Naruto Scaling videos, Madara’s full power Susanoo swing would pale in comparison to even the Dressrosa cast (ie. Zaelleaz got Madara’s mountain cut up to mountain level destruction, meanwhile at a low end G4 Luffy uprooting parts of Dressrosa were already at island level) and Kaido scales far above them.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Try unsheathing a sword with a friend to the side of you, ask them how much damage it did then slice them. Lol.
Fast air doesnt = actual material
force = mass * acceleration
all that mass was air imagine how much more damage it would be with a condensed material.
@@kaianimations675 I am more than aware of the difference in power between air pressure and whatever object is generating it.
The problem is that even accounting for that difference in power, with how low Madara’s mountain cut actually calcs, even if we assumed that the air blade was 1000x weaker Madara’s Susanoo still wouldn’t be any stronger than mountain level.
And considering how even at a low end several One Piece characters calc to island level (ie, Mihawk’s frozen tidal wave cut, Zoro cutting Onigashima’s horn even on a low end size for the island, Dressrosa Luffy uprooting sections of Dressrosa), I do not believe that Madara’s Susanoo would make a difference
@@michaeldorsey9231what are you saying, the waves that wiped mountains are mountain level but 1000x that is no stronger?
Are you stoned bro
@@ciarangallagher9330 bro thought he was cooking but burnt the kitchen down
I feel like you're downplaying Madara. He should be relative to KCM2 Naruto who at the bare minimum is twice as fast as the Naruto that speed blitzed V2 Raikage, though it's probably more. Also he should scale well above the full 9 tails because he's relative to Hashirama who literally picked it up and put it to sleep. And just half of the 9 tails was said to be able to turn the world to ash. And that statement is probably not an outlier because there are other databook statements reaffirming this and it's also backed up by the fact that the 9 tails is a large chunk of Kaguya's power.
@@oliveragag8576 okay so there's a couple of problems, Let's just say KCM2 Naruto is twice as fast as light going off of the raikage dodging feat and him being at least twice as strong as KCM. Madara only reacted to him, there is no way you can argue that he can move/run at those speeds especially since nothing implies it. Reaction and movement speed are two different things.
Post time skip Luffy is at least Lightspeed in base and second gear is a 10 times amp to that. Fourth gear is a several times amp beyond his limits so at the lowest interpretation it's 30 times Luffy's base and that's if you don't factor in a possible multiplier for Armament haki. Kaido blitzed and one shot that version of Luffy.
He doesn't scale above the nine tails and he needed it to fight hashirama who just put down the nine tails. All he did to take over the nine tails and you can look this up because it's anime only is have a conversation with Kurama and then put him under genjutsu. He never overpowered Kurama. The Kurama planetary statement could be interpreted as he can turn the surface of the world into Ash and this is backed up by Feats because none of his attacks have ever shown the capacity to just outright destroy the planet at least the base story. He also can't turn the world to Ash in a single attack he would have to do it over a period of time and again this is better backed up by Feats from the animated and some statements from data books. Hashirama also put down the nine tails by suppressing its chakra And even if you still want to argue that Madara is at least as strong as the nine tails he does not have the destructive capacity to destroy the planet like Kurama. None of his attacks are giant explosive blasts.
Is we're talking EMS Madara or OS Madara he gets blitzed in one shot there's just no way to even argue that he can keep up with someone like kaido who in base can blitz a version of Luffy that is at least 30 times faster than light And he usually goes for the head.
@@El_Eon_ He didn't really need the 9 tails to fight Hasirama since it got taken out very early and most of the damage done to Hashirama was from Madara himself, I use that to scale the 9 tails below Madara. And it wouldn't make sense for Madara to scale below any Biju because he's consistently portrayed as the equal to Hashirama, the man who collected them and who was said to have more chakra than them. And even if you don't consider Madara above the 9 tails he can still summon it at will, even after being revived after generations his contract with the 9 tails was still in effect, the only reason edo Madara never summoned him was because Kurama was inside Naruto.
@@El_Eon_ bro uforget to add amp in naruto with increse in tails after 1tail form u direct jump to chakra mood
In data book it said with increse in each tail power of naruto increase vastly in magnitude so we should give 10time am to each tail increase
3tail is faster 20 then light =saske 2nd cursemark which is 20amp in speed
So how raikage is below light speed
If your statement is true then all naruto character stated to light speed minato to raikage and sand but there is huge diff in speed so it should be wrong
Now q is why naruto matters to determine speed
As only half of kurama give him enough speed to surpass raikage if alltailed beast is inside u u must be 1000time faster then light
For madera all tailed beast are inside him and he can fly also
Infact speed =chakra reserve 😊
He is fast enough kakshi even can't react with sharingan 😊
So I don't buy the calcs about Kaido being stronger than Night Guy but I believe he doesn't need to be so to win
Kaido durability negation should make up for the lack of AP since I don't think Madara showed that he can tank attacks that target his insides, he can regenerate from some of them but I think that Kaido performing consecative bonks would probably overwhelm him
Good video anyway
My only regret is not making popcorn before watching this video! Absolutely amazing work!
Bro this is the only power scaling that make sense , u deserve 10x the views and subscribers u have now (sry for my bad English)
nice vid mate, but I think the Deva path soul rip would be instant as Kaido never trained to "tug of war" his soul like Naruto did when taming Kurama.
Didn't Kaido fight Big Mom for 3 days? Big Mom, the woman who manipulates souls? Can the human path even move his soul?
Personally, I think Haki comes from ones soul/spirit. So i don't think his soul is being removed.
The thing about Big Mom’s soul abilities is that her soul stealing can be resisted if the opponent lacks any fear of Big Mom; being able to resist that unfortunately doesn’t entail being able to resist other soul based abilities, because that weakness for Big Mon doesn’t translate to a weakness for Nagato or Madara.
I watched the whole video, I agree that Kaido could defeat Madara if the information you gathered is correct since the guy is stronger than MightGuy but Madara's tricks could buy him an infinite amount of time if Kaido just plays with him. As we have already seen, Kaido has let Luffy go several times after knocking him down thinking that he would not return, he does not give him the killing blow, therefore Madara could escape death countless times by being smarter than Luffy. This duel would last an eternity
That's not necessarily true, look back at the fights. He imprisoned Luffy after their first fight. He was gonna kill Luffy after he ran out of Gear 4 on the Rooftop but Zoro saved him. And after he got hit with Ragnarok Kaido was gonna kill him but Zoro stopped him with Deadman's gamble. Luffy kept coming back for plot related reasons like getting saved but Kaido Legit threw him off the rooftop and even thought he killed him. Like I said in the video: Kaido enjoys a fight IF the opponent can take on his full strength
The whole guy bending space time yea thats cool an all but that’s more about how fragile the universe is look at it like this flash is able to bend space and time going at the speed of light yet some anime characters that move at that same speed don’t go back on time or warp reality so its more about the universe
You earned a subscriber good shit this was welp not stupid congratulations on that
kidd is underatted how many people in the verse can hurt younkos without using haki ?
anyone with a specialized devil fruit...or technology.
@@asianpersuasion4901 lol if you say so but so far only kidd can do this which says alot considering that luffy cant hurt kaido without it
@@Packirup1234 uh, law? you do realize his k-room is literally the devil fruit equivalent of internal destruction? or what about any shockwave based attack? like impact dials, fishman karate, tremor fruit, sengoku's shockwaves, etc?
and then someone like caesar can't "hurt" kaido, but he could theoretically kill him by removing oxygen. durability is EASILY beaten with hax, and in the one piece world, hax are known as devil fruits.
@@asianpersuasion4901 internal dmg that ignores durability is diffrent from actual physical dmg
idg where ur going at but kid is the only known character to hurt kaido with physical dmg than internal destuction
@@Packirup1234 I said "specialized devil fruit or technology" and you basically said no, so I gave you examples.
but you seem to be talking about kidd's judo throw/crushing attacks, so let me disprove that too.
what you and the youtuber seem to fail to realize is that advanced armament and internal destruction are not the same thing. luffy has advanced armament: internal destruction. the scabbards and zoro have JUST advanced armament, which raises ap and defense. and what did they do with their advanced armament? wound kaido.
that's already 10 extra people who can wound kaido with just physical damage. Oh right, there's also yamato, who doesn't have internal destruction. so make that 11 extra.
I guess it depends on one thing. Which gets activated first, the Flaming Drum Dragon or the Infinity Tsukuyomi? Likely not the latter, since it takes time and distraction that are also not guaranteed to work on Kaido. It's a close fight, but imo, Madara loses at least 8 out of 10 fights against Kaido.
Would a genjutsu not stop Kaido? Uchiha ocular genjutsu insert the users chakra into the victims body so Kaidos lack of a chakra network would stop the genjutsu
actual really fair and good video, if I ever have argument about character vs character, it's honestly one of the most toxic experiences I have, I even had situation when somebody downplayed sasuke sharingan because he couldn't predict/see haku.... while he wasn't even using said sharingan and then he proceed to have 10 excuses on to why haku couldn't move at light speed between mirrors or that sasuke somehow dodged his attacks without seeing him moving because yes
EMS Madara did have the Nine Tails, which he could lace the Bijuu bombs with his Susano-o sword (multiple times) to create Rasenshuriken-like attacks. he could launch dozens if not hundreds of these, matching Hashirama's 1000 arm Buddha statue. think of this like a hyper charged AAH coated King Kong Gatling Gun. now, do i think this would actually hurt Kaido let alone kill him? i dunno. you weren't very convincing that Juubidara would win, even with both Rinnegan.
i do wanna point out, i don't think his Limbo clones didn't use Susano-o because they couldn't. i think they didn't use it because of the time limit.
also, what do you think about Kaido vs Kaguya? she has more chakra than Madara, arguably a trickier moveset, and a controller shoved up her ass in the form of Kuroi Zetsu. i think it might be a closer fight.
I went by the moveset that's canonically shown, so I didn't add Limbo Susanoo. As for the tailed beast bomb sword barrage, I don't believe it'll land if Kaido chooses to dodge. It's coming from one direction and Kaido could dodge an omnidirectional attack that's Faster while drunk.
As for the damage It lost in quantity and matched in force with the 1000 arms which also broke due to the force of their own punches. It's that attack that created the final valley but if the final valley is smaller than Onigashima which Luffy would've punched right through then Flame dragon Bagua one shots.
As for Kaguya I don't think Kaido wins, I don't think she'll land the all killing ash bone cause of the speed difference but Kaido has no answer to Kill her or beat the ever expansive TSO
@@El_Eon_ yeah in terms of your Madara stuff, i agree.
in terms of Kaguya, she can augment her speed in a couple ways. the speed of her attacks. one of the things she could do is transport the battlefield to the Ice Dimension around Kaido. he would be able to break out pretty quickly, but probably not instantly. this would buy her enough time to open up one of her portals from within the ice. and launch an Ash Bone at him directly. or she could transport to the gravity dimension and launch one that way.
or she could transport to a random dimension, activate ETSO, reform herself from the ring of white... stuff. and then move herself to the original dimension the battle took place in. this would count as battlefield removal. which some people consider a win con in these battles. but even if you don't? the ETSO will kill him.
none of this is out of character for her. although one thing to note about her character when she was revived in the War Arc was that her primary objective was returning all Chakra to herself. but since Kaido doesn't have Chakra, she might just ignore him. then again, we do have the controller shoved up her ass in the form of Kuroi Zetsu. so, there is that.
I liked this video 👍
Although I don't particularly like Vsb wiki scaling cause they changed every year, in 2017 madara was at multi continental, last year madara was at planetary and this year his at moon level, so it's hard to really go on wht they're saying if it keeps changing, and it will change again next year.
Other then that I enjoyed this video, you explained everything you could and with possible scenarios which I liked.
You remained unbiased and tried listing out everything you know, can't wait to see wht you post in the future ☺
Yeah vs battle wiki are really annoying by changing multiple time the scale of Naruto characters every years. Like it doesn't even make sense they make Kaguya 4-C Large Star but Momoshiki is moon level, and baryon mode naruto, Code NL, Daemon and Isshiki are small planet level bruh '-'
calcs improve, results change. it's how it goes.
Well if you include pixel calls then you could eat ride Naruto to the point of:
In Naruto Manga Vol #57 Chapter #544 Naruto fights the 3rd Raikage.
Raikage tries to Punch Naruto.
And Naruto dodges the attack.
The special thing about this feat is that Raikage has a combat Speed near the Speed of Light. It's been consistently stated that Raikage has near the Speed of Light combat in the manga, the anime and the guides.
Near the Speed of Light could be anywhere from 90% to 99% of the Speed of Light. But we will use the Lowball and say 4th Raikage moves at 90% of the Speed of Light.
There are couple of things we need 1st Size of Naruto's face. 2nd Distance between 4th Raikage's Punch and Naruto's Face. 3rd Distance between Naruto and Raikage after Naruto dodged Raikage's Punch.
1 - Naruto has a official height of 1.66 Meters in Part II. Let's see what is the size of Naruto's face Using Pixel Scaling we get 0.12528301886 Meters which is the size of Naruto's Face.
2 - Now that we have the size of Naruto's face now we can pixel scale the distance between the Punch and Naruto's Face. Using Pixel Scaling the Distance between 4th Raikage's Punch and Naruto is 0.0425489498 Meter.
3 - We have size of Naruto's Face and we have 4th Raikage's Official Height which is 1.982 Meters pbs.twimg.com/media/Dl67XeZWsAAX7vQ.jpg Naruto's Face is at a Pixel size of 96.17692. Raikage is at a Pixel size of 185 Using the scaling it becomes - Using 2atan(atan(90/2)*(1.982/0.12528301886)) = 3.06000123 Radian 3.06000123 Radian = 175.3251557843 Degrees. Using this calculator we can find the distance. In which α = 175.3251557843 Degrees and g = 1.982 Meter. The distance between Naruto's Face and Raikage = 3.776 Meters.
The Calculation
The Timeframe of Raikage's Punch at 90% of the Speed of Light. Speed = Distance / Time Time = Distance / Speed Time (Second) = 0.0425489498 (Meter) / 299792458 (Meters per Second) Time (Second) = 0.0425489498 (Meter) / 299792458 (Meters per Second) Time (Second) = 1.41928019e-10 Second.
KCM Naruto's Feat. KCM Naruto moved 3.776 Meters in the time-frame of 1.41928019e-10 Second. Speed (Meters per Second) = Distance (Meter) / Time (Second) Speed (Meters per Second) = 3.776 (Meter) / 1.41928019e-10 (Second) Speed (Meters per Second) = 26,605,035,613.2 Meter per second or 88.745 x The Speed of Light.
Btw I copied it off a site so that’s why it’s phrased so weird and tbh it’s the epitome of meat riding.
Fair enough, The problem with this calc is that the third Raikage doesn't scale to the 4th raikage in terms of speed. It's implied that Ay is faster than his dad because his Dad's cloak is implied to be more defensively oriented. The calc requires his dad to be relativistic to his son in terms of speed but we never see them race against each other and his father is never once named or implied the fastest ninja in the world even before his son took the title.
It's one of those weird situations like chidori and lightning blade where it's essentially the same. Jutsu but it's used slightly differently