I started playing when it first came out. I really enjoyed it and made some good friends. Later my mom was diagnosed with cancer. I played Eve for awhile but found I was using the game to escape my depression. I decided than that I had to stop playing and deal with real life. It was the best thing I could have done. I took care of my mom until she passed away. My advice to my beloved gamer community, please take care of yourselves and make the right decisions about how you play the game. Wonderful video!
I played EVE from 2005 to 2012. Spent countless hours, participated in fleets (my alliance was an ally of goons) in the middle of the night and so on. But, in 2012 my father passed away. That made me reconsider my life choices. And it was about time I got my life on the right track.
He was toxic to the game and the community. He was extremely charismatic, and his effect on the game was beyond belief. His ouster is a tremendous boost to positive game-play, regardless of what The Imperium does in the future. I walked away from EvE in December of last year because I realized we (PAPI) weren't going to be able to break Delve. My return to the game this last month is a direct result of his absence.
He was a very effective leader, he understood how to manage and manipulate a HUGE number of people... he was also an egocentric douche.. So are lots of other actual people.. He will be missed, by some.. not me though. Only ever heard the rhetorhic and vitriol.
hi, this is fnln the goon who drew attention to the harassment coverup stuff that led to mittani's ousting, i was checking to see if he'd started trying to sneak back into eve & this makes me happy to see. while it's not the worst thing he did, he ruined eve for a lot of people & I'm glad you're able to enjoy it again. have a great day :) not to you but to folks in general: do not tolerate Mittani in any setting online or IRL. don't give him a chance, do warn people if he tries to insert himself into a community you're in. he is uniquely harmful, manipulative, and predatory in how he targets others, both irl & online The guy in the video wasn't kidding about the details of all mittani did being bad. not being dramatic, it's disgusting. he's a monster.
@@simonmallet5212he actually didn't do much, the intelligence state compartmentalization of goonfleet aswell as the diplomatic arm, the two things that led to goonfleet/swarm becoming a superpower were made by vilerat(rip) the logistics people the multiple people who designed the different levels of bureaucracy and logistics keeping things running and organized are the ones who really made stuff happen after the first year the FCs are the ones who led to all the combat victories the mass-newbie-focused -day1pvp+external-recruitment model that goonfleet was launched on which allowed for the crazy growth and new player retention was made by myself his cult of personality stuff that led to his superstar status was cooked up by goonfleet intel members he's like a way creepier and less successful Elon musk, he just stole credit. he wasn't even actually a goon registered to SA until *after* goonfleet was formed, lol. credit everyone but him
Can't say I'm unhappy to see the back of Mittani. I feel he really started the trend of Goons being massive hypocrites when it comes to Eve. They can mess you around as much as they like but if you retaliate you're a troll and whatever else. Mittani has had thin skin and a desire to cause drama for far too long.
I want the goons to go back and be true to their original goal of just having fun. the bees can sting, thats what they do but thats what EVERYONE does in EVE when they so choose.
Mittani is a lawyer irl (in Washington DC, no less), so he lives a life of hypocrisy and lies already. Anything he accuses someone of, he is just projecting what he is doing himself. Anything he claims he is trying to do, he is probably working to undermine it. He is a class A scumbag, all around.
@@zeehero7280 I played about 20 years ago and to me Goonswarm just seemed like the anarchists of EVE. Basically, lets try this and see if we can get away with it. Tho they were trolls back then too and heh likely still are.
As I understand it, Goons originally started out as a veterans-led organization which was pretty effective and tight-knit, but then pretty much all the leadership got deployed. What ended up happening is that the most toxic and vile narcissists then rushed in to fill the power vacuum and we ended up with the Goons we know and hate today. For a while, I was a spy and would listen in on Goon's voice coms and it was the most toxic, childish, scream-filled fest you can possibly imagine, with groups of 5-6 people just all screaming insults at each other. I have no idea how they are even remotely effective in combat. They are hands down some of the most disgusting human beings I have ever witnessed and I'm surprised they haven't imploded. My killboard has thousands of Goons on it and I keep it that way.
Hmm weird I’ve been In almost every sig and squad and the largest corp in the alliance for many years. Never heard any toxicity besides some sperg once in awhile mostly to just add levity to 10 hr organized comms without sperg or losing a fight and leadership wanting to leave us with a fun experience. However just like any other group There are always bad apples. I’ve heard way more toxicity in pandemic legion comms when they were relevant and nc when they were relevant. Anyone can get into any groups comms and one dumbass who likely gets kicked from corp 2 days after and say that the entire group is toxic. I would argue that if toxicity was going to come out in droves it would be while we were getting blue balled while getting invaded by the entire game for what seemed like forever, But nope comms was pretty chill. However hatred fuels content and being in a group who spends a year of your time barely taking fights then all you see is people from said groups shitting on your group tends to cause a bad reaction towards your group and goons hold a grudge. What is funny though is peoples hatred towards mittens has fueled hundreds of wars and endless hours of content and brought out the darkest hatred in humans. If anything non goons should thank him for endless content and goons should thank him for being the poster child and taking all of the hatred and putting it on his back for so many years.
I was in goons for several years, went on many a group, and what you are saying is a flat out lie. Do arguments happen, yes, humans are involved, but what you are describing never happened in the years I played. I'm guessing you heard something once or twice and just completely made up the rest.
1. Goons never started as veteran specific 2. They formed from SA an out of eve forum. Everything you said literally never happened. I was in countless fleets while Goons were in Dek to Delve. Never have I heard a personal attack on someone in the fleet by anyone else in the fleet. No screaming matches, and no harassment. Making fun of someone for doing something dumb maybe. Everything you said is BS
Mittani should have been life - banned from the game years earlier, the day he SWATTED a player he didnt like. The ONLY reason he didnt get arrested for it, was the SWATTING took place outside of the US (in a US military hospital). CCP wouldnt lift a finger to help the SWATTED player, the guy had to move home, abandon his accounts, and start new ones with completely different credentials, due to repeated death threats.
Goons will not break up. I'm hopeful they will move away from their toxic attitudes though, Mittani really was a stain on the Imperium (especially with all the IRL stuff he has been on record as doing) and honestly is why I joined Horde (functionally the antithesis of Goons). Mittani leaving GSF leadership is a blessing for the game in my opinion.
Wishful thinking, but they have been toxic for ages now.. even going as far as to put as many of their own representatives into the CSM so they can not only have advantage on upcoming information, but warp it to suit them more than anyone else. Goons era has ended, they need to depart like BoB did... and just become history.
Goons are super nice while on their side and almost all my encounters with ph, before and after i joinedtrhe imperium, was filled with toxic local messages. Used to think goons are the worst scum and ph was a bunch of great guy, both sides do seem to have their toxicity, nothing is really black and white in life at the end of the day. Excuse the semi random rant, just a little random line member's thoughts on the whole rivalry
I never played that much, but I have encountered enough proud Goons too doubt that 'we're not ruining the game, we're ruining your game" attitude will leave just because The Mitanni is gone.
I played EVE Online for many years back at the beginning. I did not mind being pummeled for being weaker with resources. That's the game. I quit when a number of us were targeted for annihilation for not joining the "right" people. I did not complain. But that was the turning point for me playing, it was no longer fun. And I was a small miner/explorer. When I left, I swore not to come back. And I have not been back, nor will. I will admit it is a fun game, but not when you are targeted.
So then dont set yourself up to be such a big target. Eve at its core is easy game and not hard to avoid any sort of pvp as long as you try and not cry when the game doesnt suit you specifically.
@@balla2172 you can , but i have to admit i spent years doing t4 missions and mining scordite but my most special story was also my greatest loss out exploring null sec because I managed too grow a pair. I was in my t3 that i had spent a bunch of cash on in isk. it was all dead spaced, and i was out exploring, all was going well till i ran into one of those camps, Well what followed was the most intense game of cat and mouse lasting over an hour, Id get webbed neuted name it kill the neuter cause i was a dick with auto target missiles as a backup, slip away jump i finally cloaked , in a panick.... i double clicked it, right as they are about too jump away ther i was pants down and stuck. friend in his Golem., was too scared too come from 3 jump out because then there would be 2 multi bulion setup ships as sweet targets for the rest of their friends, that alone often makes me want to come back . i did rebuild her just havent sent her into the flames yet.
Take a chess player, and their play is ruthless. The game is played in real life, each opponent sitting across from the other. After the game is over, instead of shaking the opponent's hand, they "flip off" their opponent and laugh at them. The point is that there is a difference, a boundary between the game and behavior outside the game. Additionally, in the case of the in-person chess match, the opponents aren't anonymous, and they are in each other's physical presence. Meaning that there is more risk for acting in a mean or demeaning manner. In MMORPGs, the boundary is much less clear. Additionally, the people are protected by anonymity; no one in their real lives need know how they behaved. I have heard the excuse, "Its just a game," and if they didn't want something bad to happen, they shouldn't have been playing Eve (or some other game). The problem is that humans are physical, emotional, social beings and how you treat others and how you are treated matters. No one deserves to be treated badly in any of these areas of life. Additionally, abusive, toxic people will always have some sort of excuse: If they didn't want to be shaved, they shouldn't have been sheep. Because on-line is nearly entirely anonymous, that is when acting kindly and avoiding taking advantage or abusing others is the most important. Just like when you give your word is more important than your name on a legal contract. I doubt this Mitten person would be ok with his behavior being known to everyone in his off-line life. If his mother knew what he had done, would she have been happy? My rule I try and follow is I never do anything I wouldn't want everyone in my life to know about. To be clear, I'm not an angel and I haven't always acted in a manner that is consistent with this. But the exceptions to this have been just that: exceptions. When you live your life, day to day, being a mean-spirited, toxic abusive jerk, you have a really screwed up value system. I would even go so far as to say that you are a really screwed up person. Plus, when the time comes when someone has more power than you and you become a victim, can you look yourself in the mirror realizing that you effectively did the same thing to someone else, that you did so regularly? How you conduct yourself in all areas of your life matters and, "its only a game" doesn't cut it. Those are real people at the end other end of those keyboards. .
I had someone try to doxx me about my online behavior once. I laughed at them and told them I wouldn't even look at their doxx because whatever I said online I would say to anyone's face IRL, which is true. I simply DGAF, at all. Not even a little.
I guess that is the one thing Themeparks have over Sandboxes. You might be able to go back in time to Vanilla Wow, but you can't go back in time to Pre-Goon Eve.
Personally I think the extremely low class of the person that is talked about sets the bar for the average comments, cant expect them to be classy when the subject is someone barely worth the energy to type out a few choice words about. I can only hope karma finally came and did its rounds and the reason for his resignation was something suitably bad happening to him, just as he has wished and done upon so many others for his own enjoyment.
overall, i'd say its bad. why? because he was one of the big faces of EVE, and we're so short on those at the moment. Eve runs on hate and grudges It's what drives conflict and thus content. From its earliest days in the northern war, to the greatest wars, ideological clash and personal grudges made it memorable And to cause these were people with big notoriety Yet where are all of them now? Sir Molle gone, Gigx banned, PGL a joke, Mittani gone, Gobbins is around, but he's always been more of a figure in the shadows, not a public face. wheres the big name people in current eve generating memorable conflicts.... right now the only conflcits are for desperation for content, and have little impact or memory. they forgotten so fast as they not clashes with meaning past wanting something to shoot at. not saying Mittani was a good person, but he was a well known face and thus a reason to go to war against him.
In the twilight of my Eve Online gameplay, I started to get more and more into Roleplay, particularly during the Triglavian Invasion. I got introduced to many roleplay communities and participated with them. Its then that I learned the true face of much of the Roleplay in Eve. Styling myself as an ally of the Triglavians, I was naturally subject to opposition from those roleplayers on the other side. I maintained my character and never crossed the line, I didn't even walk the line. Those opposed however took every opportunity to hurl abusive and demeaning comments towards me and others, using Roleplay to justify it. And the same could be said from people on my side of the roleplay. I put up with it longer than I should, but finally broke character one day to call these people out for their disgusting behaviour, and many took my side. I took no further part in Eve Online roleplay, now that I saw its true face.
I found that people playing asshole "characters" are typically assholes in real life. I'm glad he's gone but unfortunately his type is now unfortunately prevalent in many online communities, not just in EVE.
This is not an isolated incident, but, an example of the current culture within EVE Online. It's become a ganking game where older players think it's funny to mess with newer players. Along with the price increase and pay to play it is one of the major reasons numbers are taking a dive.
@Exillius too bad man. In my case while there were people who destroyed my ship in low sec, all of the people I met were helpful and even generous. I just started the game almost a week ago though
yeah Im a prospective player but I just saw it was £16 a month lol, that combined with the smug elitist attitude that basically everyone in eve seems to have is super offputting
With all of these big MMOs it's always the same, 'it was immensely popular, but had a toxic player base and there was lots of abuse...' and then that gets 'fixed' with new rules and moderators, etc., so it's 'so much better now' but then 'unfortunately, the game started to lose popularity and the player numbers dropped down...'. Same pattern, over and over. It's almost as if the backbone of any MMO is the kind of people who play for hours everyday and spend most of their extra money on game related activities, almost as though those people have almost no IRL social life outside the game and the game is the one place they feel like they can be themselves. It's almost like creating new rules for the benefit of occasional players or to impress IRL media creeps that don't really like games but just play games to review them as their job, ie, the kind of people who demand IRL social rules to apply to every game and hobby, will drive out the people who love the game the most and leave mostly the people who don't really play that much so the game dies down. Companies need to stop doing this, stop catering to what are really non-players, stop listening to reviews or media creeps talking about a popular game's 'toxic repuation', thinking they're going to bring in new players by 'cleaning up' when it's the 'toxic elements' in the game that made it popular to begin with. 'Games journalists' are not gamers, their opinions should always be ignored, following advice from 'games journalists' will destroy a game, they should know that, the pattern has repeated over and over enough for companies to know that.
I totally agree. I played from 2004 for 15 years but after that, and considering the state of the game, I couldn't find a way to continue without selling my soul to the faceless, massive alliances. That is not a sandbox, just another form of fascism and I'm fucked if I'm playing that game.
@@CMDR_Verm i am not played in EVE online and tbh don't want but just watched some videos and was reading comments. I am played in Overwatch 2 though enough long and i guess i am sucks as person i had some friends with which i am played as Mercy main guy pocketed them 24/7 and they protected/saved me as damage dealers but i deleted enough friends don't remember sure but like at least 4-5 and didn't feel regret. And now i am still have one friend which protected/saved me too its gave me dopamine and feeling myself that i am so important and idk i feel like i can delete him too in future but with other side some part of me want we will be friends. And yeah most heroes in Overwatch 2 i am hate/dislike and its annoyed me not so rare
That's why I have an avid dislike of lowsec pirates. Sure it fair play to do what they do gate camping and dock camping... doesn't make them good... just effective scum. Like highsec gankers... I wish there was a better way to oppose these guys. Currently, the only way to fight highsec hanker I know of, is to survive them until concord comes. Even if you survive them, they rarely lose much in the attempt, so for them, it's like whatever. But if they succeed, the cost to you is far more substantial. Guess it is what it is.
@@ickebins6948 OK, how does that affect the truth of my statement? Are they not scum? If I came to your house and vandalized your car, can I say, "don't drive what you can't afford to lose," and that would make me less scum? Sure it's just a game, but the costs are still real, but smaller in a way maybe. The spiritual corruption is every bit present in the people who approve of such things and do them. I don't really play the game. Only thing there seems to be to do is chip rocks and wait to be victimized by you. I don't want to be a victim, but I am also not looking to ruin other people's day. I'll stick to CO-op games
beeing fair Gigx just always wanted content for his alliance, more often then not that was at odds with people wanting to make a big blue donugt. He always said if you can not defend what you have you have no claim in having it in the first place. that is also the principle he lead by and pople either hated or loved him for it.
Great vid, very comprehensive. I hate toxicity and bullying, CCP have no issues with either, they even reward players who use same. Another top notch content creator halted his activities last week and it was a disgrace caused by one sociopath who forgot to grow up but who is good at skirting the limits of the terms of service. I blow up plenty of ships. And if they're new I reimburse the pilots and give them fits and advice then send them to good corps. Its not easy being civil when the environment rewards bad behaviour but at the end of it all we're all accountable to our conscience. I hope in these people's final breaths they reflect on what a butthead they've been.
Been playing for just less than a year an beem blown up a LOT before joining a smaller alliance. Your actions/philosophy is what I am striving/working towards. Getting blown is not NEAR as painful if the one popping your ship tells you why you died and gives advice on how not to die in the future.
@@jesseamaya4413 Gibbs' Rule #42: ''Never accept an apology from someone who just sucker punched you.'' Someone blowing up your ship and then "giving you advice" is the height of condescension.
Hi, interesting take. But on your “the victim becomes the bully“ narative just a small observation from experience and knowledge about social systems and communication. (Important note! Not talking about the Mittani here, just your example) Every bully lives in an specific social environment, that encourages/ enables/ “psycjologically forces“ him or her to act out the bully lurking in the dark. Victims, who “overthrow“ a bully will find themselves in a very short lived place of power as the new (revenge/ reverse)-bully. If they really were victims of bullying, then they, by design, will not want or be able to keep up their bullying position and someone else will fill that role asap. (Not saying, that former victims cant go on to become bitter bullies themselves --but they need a new social environment for that.) So wheretf am I going with this? As much as I understand it, if a victim can become the new topdog, then what you wittnessed was not bullying, but a powerstruggle between two ppl fighting for the leadership. The big diffence being, that a powerstruggle is between two people (sucking in the group), while bullying is a group problem (sucking in the bully and the victim). The former ends when there is a winner, the latter can only end, when the whole group changes.
That's probably true in a way. I just remember a couple of guys from highschool that were not physical AT ALL...but had a lot of social power through trolling and ridicule. Damn I was lucky to have taken karate or I might have turned out like them. :D
@@resurrectedstarships Funny how you see it, as if being physically threatening ever kept ppl from becoming bullies'. :))) On the mittany - I always thought of him as a very talented propagandist. In the end he did the same mistake, they all do - he believed his own propaganda.
i started this game on launch , ended up in Goons, ( in the end) it was so much fun. never cared about the meta game that some people are doing. ps my first corp was in BOB :) and i was there when they welped we just moved into rent space only t loose all my shit .) Great times..
I wouldn't go so far. He retaired after playing this game 16 years. I put his footmark on the Galaxy and we miss him deeply. The new guy he is more like a Hands on FC and Director of the Goonswarm Federation. He is our new Emperor.
It all comes down to how effective the new leader is at providing engaging content for the swarm. If he can then many of them will remain and be happy in a newer less toxic way. If he can't then he will be ousted or ignored and they will put someone in who fits Goon's "culture" or they will fracture into smaller groups and battle it out in a civil war. Which actually sounds like it could be way cool to watch happen. Regardless the Mittani had to go. It was just too much and couldn't be tolerated any longer. There were the usual bs about he said she said and I wasn't really involved... it was a mess in reddit the day it went down. But there is a huge opportunity here. Also can't wait to see the FW re work. Tried it last year and it was semi cool but felt really stale and empty of real meaning.
When Howard Stern hit the radio with his shock jock style , the people who loved it said “ we listen because we don’t know what he’s gonna say/do next” the people who hated him were asked the same question and there response was “ we don’t know what he’s gonna say next”…… Love him or hate him he is an Eve legend
The ideia that a suicidal person is playing Eve to escape or sending help letters to Mittami is ridiculous. Eve is a harsh game where most people will screw you up. You will lose everything and see many hours of your time go down the drain in an instant many times. It is not an environment where people who are depressed will get any better or be able to stay for long. The letter was obviously fake and Mittami knew it, thus his tirade about it. Either way what made Eve different was that it was a real sandbox. Starting to police speech behavior no matter e how egregious you may think it is will ultimately destroy it. There is no such a thing as hate speech. There is just speech you don't like, and when you start defining things as "hate speech" there is nothing that cannot be classified as such.
Just like any new emerging tech/economy there are bad actors, and the game is progressing. Eve was shaped by this person and the way people view the game! So ultimately its bad he’s gone, but also a good thing because it allows the game to reshape itself into something new.
I played for around 10 years since the start in ASCN. Sir Molle and BOB annihalated us, then Goons came. Back then I wasnt happy about loosing but what would EVE be without those guys? No stupid censorship like in many games now. I dont like bullying and stuff but if you cant handle it, dont play. The community tend to take care of that sooner or later anyways.
It's called karma. If you act like or are a PoS sooner or later, one way or another, it comes full circle. You reap what you sow. The Goons are better off without that PoS.
How far away from Jita and Perimeter is your Corp located? Many past experiences have put a horrid taste in my mouth for null sec. I prefer operating in high sec
I not sure if Cribba still plays I used to do a lot of Indy and even titans under older pos rules - haven’t actively played eve now for several years although keep up with events, but price or subs, cost of Indy locations and all the new mats and new BPO meant I never found getting back into the game as I cannot even do what I used to in game as they kept moving goal posts on investments - one day with a lot of support I like to return to advanced industry stuff again - I met the Mattani in 2015 fanfest strange guy
Blind devotion is with CODE and entities alike. Those play EULA on very thin line between griefing and harassment masked with role playing. Mittani was only poster boy for alliance, a walking talking billboard that ultimately have little to nothing to alliance itself. Majority of people in goons do their mandatory fleets etc but are there by convenience not by loyalty like with any bigger alliance. Thing is with mandatory fleets (i think 3 fleets minimum per month per player) and their SRP system that mostly contribute to the feeling of loyalty since srp covers like 50 to 100% ship value so sometimes loosing ship in fleet earns you money and taking that fear of loosing money from eve player makes them eager to pvp more. But CODE and things like ex SNUFF etc etc are just in game to see it burn and forced even eve creators to quit making content due to griefing. Compared to them goons are amateurs in being bad.
I have been playing EvE on and off, in very minor roles, for many years. One thing that M got right was that he embraced the chaotic nature of the sandbox. But he couldn't stop there. I suppose he was the most hated player, even though you could never find him in space, anywhere. I am glad he is gone.
When the cowboy bebop movie came out when I was 16 17 I dreampt of such a game where I could be a space cowboy, be anything I wanted, I found eve and have been playing since 2007. It's so sad how once pay to play showed up and now with pay to win mechanics, you can see the decline in the authenticity of the original outlook. I spent my first year in hs and then I immediately became an information broker. I found pleasure in building connections earning trust, then turning around and selling your trade routes, store hubs and on occasion have led fleets to your doorsteps. In the later years, I opened 14 other accounts and paid a lot of money to skill them into what I jeered to become am independent capital builder Corp solo, with the express purpose to pump out dozens of capitals a week for the war effort to anyone who contracted me out. I have fought my brothers and sisters as well as thrown my coffers st their war efforts as well, most of the time playing sides against another so I could sell more ships. Eve in the last 3 years has disappointed me update after update. This game was NEVER supposed to be touched by pay to win mechanics and that at its core was why we were there. The eve economy was instantly fucked by the pay to win mechanics directly affecting the entire eve market place. My corporation became obsolete. So sad the empire I built. CCP sold out and took us vets with them. Which sucks because it came at a time the game needed massive overhauling.
A lot of CCP dev's used to be very close with BOB, rumor was they all had characters in there, tech 2 BPO's spawned, silly things. I remember when goons first started, fleets of frigates would chase you down, everyone laughed, what can they do, they only fly frigates, then it wasn't funny anymore, they were in bigger ships, and better fleets. But they were always nasty, scamming was a way of life. When BOB fell, all we did is replace one overlord with another, you went into BOB space you got killed, you went in to goon space you got killed. The Mittani always struck me as a nasty bully, if he has a job I'll bet he treats his colleague the same. the trouble is the main dev's who formed what Eve was mostly went on to other projects, the remaining Dev's now fully embrace and encourage the goon play style, when I started playing the wonder of seeing a Dominix with fifteen drones swarming around it, as I flew past, wondering how people landed on the gate (insta bookmarks) escrow, It was an immersive game, now its just a gankfest.
EVE never seemed to be compatible with someone who has to work a job and provide for a family, or maybe I would have joined it. Final Fantasy XI used to be this way, and then they changed it all around so I can actually play a hour a week, and still make reasonable progress. I like to read the stories about events that happened in EVE, but that is as far as I will ever go.
@@SmalltimR Ok, I forgot to mention I can't justify, nor afford pay to win games. Pay to play fine, I can justify and afford one of those, hence Final Fantasy XI, but pay to win, no. Never have, never will. Spending money on an item, in a game, that when the game is over the item is gone is lunacy to me. I would rather make friends, and spend time working to get something. At least when the game is over I still have the relationships I forged, and I can say that is the case for Final Fantasy XI. I still talk to and play other games with many of the people I used to play FFXI with, which makes them memories I have of old school FFXI all more special.
The Mittani did a bad. We all know this. But even after giving a genuine apology to the person he wronged, Mittens still isnt forgiven for 2012. Its 2022. THAT is the true toxic behavior that poisons online communities. It's almost as if apologies are never accepted.
Mittens gave people a free pass to be as horrible as he is. So - they were only too happy to prop him up for it. It isn't a game - the moment you're one person speaking to another. Hiding behind 'it's a game' is outright cowardice.
It really doesn't have to be though. I like to talk to people after fights, whether i won or lost, even made friends that way. It's a game, I have zero anger at losses.
@@malango255 It doesnt have to be, but it is. its the sad reality pvp breeds negative traits in humanity over the long term. No one likes to lose deep down, and maybe there are some that can handle it for a while, everyone has a limit especially when you are paying to play the game. The only pvp games ive seen that has had a reduced negative presence are those that are totally free to play and have absolutely no capability of losses in resources like Fortnite, but even that game has its share of trolls.
If you think eve is toxic you haven't played very many video games online. LoL, GTA 5 Online, CoD, etc, are much, much worse than EVE ever has been. I've been playing EVE since 2005, and yes there's toxic people, I mean, just walk out your front door for 5 minutes and you'll see how toxic people are in general these days anyway. With that being said, though, EVE is relatively calm in comparison to so many other games I've played/still playing.
I stopped playing the game in 2012, and during my time in Eve Mittani came across as just a self righteous a-hole who believed his own hype. Now I am retired I might go back this year, or sometime next year when I've built a new PC. As for Mittani what he publicly did was disgusting, and shows what kind of person he is, the game and Goon is better off without him.
I just want to point out that Delta Sqad's record of achievements in the last couple of years is off the charts: first, the Sqad of (what started as) like twelve people turned the Beeitnam War around, kickstarting the defeat of the PAPI megacoalition three times Goonswarm's size. Then, having sent PAPI fleeing in disarray after their year-long campaign, Delta Sqad turned around and did in three weeks what PAPI couldn't accomplish with 150k people over the course of a year: they defeated Mittani. Delta Sqad: 2. The entire rest of nullsec: 0. Just let that sink in.
he was grabbing or stopping short \ bumping into women at bar's, people were literally warning each other about him on facebook and people recognised it was mittani , pretty good laugh how pathetic that is , sort of surprised people refuse to mention it , not sure why
Allot things changed since then Better then with MIttani. Some things that our old Leader would not improve but he is gone now the Real Golden Age of Goonswarm is evolving.
EvE was one of the MMOs I considered until I heard of the Mittani and his reputation. Since the current MMO I am playing is in maintence mode I might consider EvE again.
God everyone hates on mittens for a comment he made back in 2012....... its been 10 years everyone grows in that time his no different forgive and forget
The price of playing eve has become a little steep to especially for us lads and ladies not in America or Europe I've been apart of the eve community since 2006 odd probably longer.
Since I heard about BoB incident I was frustrated. This meant I should be keeping myself away from game where something so horrible could be done so easily. Now that I know this ugly insect is smashed I can rest in piece and play the game.
Eve is toxic no matter how you slice it. Mittani could not have been what he is without thuosands backing him who are the same. I joined EVE at 2008 and left about a decade later seeing how a game about cooperation became a game about unchecked toxicity in the guise of ''player controlled eden''
My Eve story is a bit similar, I left a while after being ganked in high sec a few times by some multiboxer that just threw like 5-8 cheap ships at me at a time worth barely anything. It was not the losses that drove me to quit, I had lost plenty of ships before that. It was the fact that every single character/account there were obvious multibox/bot accounts, I had no clue who was really behind them so I had no way of retaliating. They could just keep using their other "real" account to farm money and fuel endless suicide waves on these accounts with literally no risk of losing anything they were not already willing to suicide into a target to kill it. It broke the entire illusion of actions having consequences and made everything in the game seem completely pointless, a week or two of that thought rolling around and I cancelled my sub and never returned.
I tried getting into this game but you literally have to wait like a year or more to get ships good enough to fight in PVP or even just PVE. Getting into this game now is not fun at all. As a brand new player who got destroyed out of the starter system for being a new player. I'm not going to even try to play this game anymore.
I can see where you got that impression but it's not really true. Faction warfare fights can be fun with frigates. And if you have a good training program you can have a compotent character in about a month. But even before that you can have fleet fun.
Me thinks the mittani still has the rights to goonswarm merch so he will probably stay quiet until that cash flow dries up then i would not be surprised if he pulls the plug on all the goon assets
Eve is just a very very heavy game ,,, am wore out the amount of concentration it requires and daily specifics for years ,, I cant even force myself to log in anymore
Yes but doesn't mean you have to do it. Eve brings out the true nature in people. Hence why i'm nice in-game. I like pvp, I don't like mining but I'm nice to all types of players. I don't enjoy being ''bad'' in game because it goes against my nature. mattini is insidious in-game and out. It's his nature. look at him relishing in the suicidal player story.
@@richard38618 who said i don't associate? what are you talking about. i sent my fave ganker streamer 1 bil last week. i simply give isk instead of steal it. crime is ok in eve. Being a douche isn't.
There is a lot to unpack about "The Mittani" but keep in mind that he went to as many player meet ups as he could and often was verbally and sometimes physically assaulted by people who were opposed to goons in the game. Also there is a huge difference between the character and the person behind the character. At irl meet ups he promoted everyone to hang out together as Eve players and if you were insulting to anyone he would call it out and remind people that out of game was "fun" time and that "in game divisions" were for game time not irl. If you haven't ever gone to an Eve meet as an Eve player you are missing out. Unless you cannot separate irl from the game, then stay home you should look for help from a mental health professional.
I always dreamt of being in the goons, for years, probably a decade, when I finally got my chance, I learned it was the most toxic environment I've ever seen before or since leaving. I left everything down there, eventually sold it all at a huge discount but man. The goons. I did get a peak behind the veil at their operations. I hadn't done any espionage for years by that time, but my instincts still kicked in. Going through their maim systems and seeing how their "war room" was was inspiring and terrifying. I have seen organizatioknfor power like that on scale since reading emoyrean age and knowing that the goons were doing something even larger. I'm in dronelands solo now, making 10 bil every 8 active hours running escalations in total silence. But if i see a goon, I'm following and tryna risk it for the KM.
I started playing when it first came out. I really enjoyed it and made some good friends. Later my mom was diagnosed with cancer. I played Eve for awhile but found I was using the game to escape my depression. I decided than that I had to stop playing and deal with real life. It was the best thing I could have done. I took care of my mom until she passed away. My advice to my beloved gamer community, please take care of yourselves and make the right decisions about how you play the game.
Wonderful video!
I played EVE from 2005 to 2012. Spent countless hours, participated in fleets (my alliance was an ally of goons) in the middle of the night and so on. But, in 2012 my father passed away. That made me reconsider my life choices. And it was about time I got my life on the right track.
@@shaitanmo wonderful!
Did exactly the same thing with my dad. It can become unhealthy.
He was toxic to the game and the community. He was extremely charismatic, and his effect on the game was beyond belief. His ouster is a tremendous boost to positive game-play, regardless of what The Imperium does in the future. I walked away from EvE in December of last year because I realized we (PAPI) weren't going to be able to break Delve. My return to the game this last month is a direct result of his absence.
You think that he is gone you will be able to break delve now? LUL
He was a very effective leader, he understood how to manage and manipulate a HUGE number of people... he was also an egocentric douche.. So are lots of other actual people.. He will be missed, by some.. not me though. Only ever heard the rhetorhic and vitriol.
mitani best leader ever
hi, this is fnln the goon who drew attention to the harassment coverup stuff that led to mittani's ousting, i was checking to see if he'd started trying to sneak back into eve & this makes me happy to see. while it's not the worst thing he did, he ruined eve for a lot of people & I'm glad you're able to enjoy it again.
have a great day :)
not to you but to folks in general: do not tolerate Mittani in any setting online or IRL. don't give him a chance, do warn people if he tries to insert himself into a community you're in.
he is uniquely harmful, manipulative, and predatory in how he targets others, both irl & online The guy in the video wasn't kidding about the details of all mittani did being bad. not being dramatic, it's disgusting. he's a monster.
@@simonmallet5212he actually didn't do much, the intelligence state compartmentalization of goonfleet aswell as the diplomatic arm, the two things that led to goonfleet/swarm becoming a superpower were made by vilerat(rip)
the logistics people
the multiple people who designed the different levels of bureaucracy and logistics keeping things running and organized are the ones who really made stuff happen after the first year
the FCs are the ones who led to all the combat victories
the mass-newbie-focused -day1pvp+external-recruitment model that goonfleet was launched on which allowed for the crazy growth and new player retention was made by myself
his cult of personality stuff that led to his superstar status was cooked up by goonfleet intel members
he's like a way creepier and less successful Elon musk, he just stole credit. he wasn't even actually a goon registered to SA until *after* goonfleet was formed, lol. credit everyone but him
Man it's been years, if the swarm breaks up it'll be the most significant event to happen since test got burned.
More like a BoB subversion scale of impact imo.
Can't say I'm unhappy to see the back of Mittani. I feel he really started the trend of Goons being massive hypocrites when it comes to Eve. They can mess you around as much as they like but if you retaliate you're a troll and whatever else. Mittani has had thin skin and a desire to cause drama for far too long.
I want the goons to go back and be true to their original goal of just having fun. the bees can sting, thats what they do but thats what EVERYONE does in EVE when they so choose.
Mittani is a lawyer irl (in Washington DC, no less), so he lives a life of hypocrisy and lies already. Anything he accuses someone of, he is just projecting what he is doing himself. Anything he claims he is trying to do, he is probably working to undermine it. He is a class A scumbag, all around.
@@zeehero7280 I played about 20 years ago and to me Goonswarm just seemed like the anarchists of EVE. Basically, lets try this and see if we can get away with it. Tho they were trolls back then too and heh likely still are.
As I understand it, Goons originally started out as a veterans-led organization which was pretty effective and tight-knit, but then pretty much all the leadership got deployed. What ended up happening is that the most toxic and vile narcissists then rushed in to fill the power vacuum and we ended up with the Goons we know and hate today. For a while, I was a spy and would listen in on Goon's voice coms and it was the most toxic, childish, scream-filled fest you can possibly imagine, with groups of 5-6 people just all screaming insults at each other. I have no idea how they are even remotely effective in combat. They are hands down some of the most disgusting human beings I have ever witnessed and I'm surprised they haven't imploded. My killboard has thousands of Goons on it and I keep it that way.
Hmm weird I’ve been In almost every sig and squad and the largest corp in the alliance for many years. Never heard any toxicity besides some sperg once in awhile mostly to just add levity to 10 hr organized comms without sperg or losing a fight and leadership wanting to leave us with a fun experience. However just like any other group There are always bad apples. I’ve heard way more toxicity in pandemic legion comms when they were relevant and nc when they were relevant. Anyone can get into any groups comms and one dumbass who likely gets kicked from corp 2 days after and say that the entire group is toxic. I would argue that if toxicity was going to come out in droves it would be while we were getting blue balled while getting invaded by the entire game for what seemed like forever, But nope comms was pretty chill. However hatred fuels content and being in a group who spends a year of your time barely taking fights then all you see is people from said groups shitting on your group tends to cause a bad reaction towards your group and goons hold a grudge. What is funny though is peoples hatred towards mittens has fueled hundreds of wars and endless hours of content and brought out the darkest hatred in humans. If anything non goons should thank him for endless content and goons should thank him for being the poster child and taking all of the hatred and putting it on his back for so many years.
OG goonswarm/goonfleet were members of the forum “something awful”. Not really veteran specific.
@@DatDudeVince they certainly have lived up to the forum name.
I was in goons for several years, went on many a group, and what you are saying is a flat out lie. Do arguments happen, yes, humans are involved, but what you are describing never happened in the years I played. I'm guessing you heard something once or twice and just completely made up the rest.
1. Goons never started as veteran specific 2. They formed from SA an out of eve forum. Everything you said literally never happened. I was in countless fleets while Goons were in Dek to Delve. Never have I heard a personal attack on someone in the fleet by anyone else in the fleet. No screaming matches, and no harassment. Making fun of someone for doing something dumb maybe. Everything you said is BS
Mittani should have been life - banned from the game years earlier, the day he SWATTED a player he didnt like.
The ONLY reason he didnt get arrested for it, was the SWATTING took place outside of the US (in a US military hospital).
CCP wouldnt lift a finger to help the SWATTED player, the guy had to move home, abandon his accounts, and start new ones with completely different credentials, due to repeated death threats.
Goons will not break up. I'm hopeful they will move away from their toxic attitudes though, Mittani really was a stain on the Imperium (especially with all the IRL stuff he has been on record as doing) and honestly is why I joined Horde (functionally the antithesis of Goons). Mittani leaving GSF leadership is a blessing for the game in my opinion.
They will break eventually when the pressure of the game becomes too much.
Wishful thinking, but they have been toxic for ages now.. even going as far as to put as many of their own representatives into the CSM so they can not only have advantage on upcoming information, but warp it to suit them more than anyone else. Goons era has ended, they need to depart like BoB did... and just become history.
yeah he's a total wanker.
Hey I'm in PH as well glad to see a fellow alliance member
Goons are super nice while on their side and almost all my encounters with ph, before and after i joinedtrhe imperium, was filled with toxic local messages. Used to think goons are the worst scum and ph was a bunch of great guy, both sides do seem to have their toxicity, nothing is really black and white in life at the end of the day. Excuse the semi random rant, just a little random line member's thoughts on the whole rivalry
as a member of Init, I think the Goons will only lack a public speaker/ promoter, but will remain an effective fighting force to be recconded with.
I'm looking forward to where asher takes goons, mittens always seemed toxic to me and not healthy for the CFC then and imperium now.
I never played that much, but I have encountered enough proud Goons too doubt that 'we're not ruining the game, we're ruining your game" attitude will leave just because The Mitanni is gone.
innit = goon pets
@@fencer39 by that logic panfam are frat pets
@@mmyatt9560 aren't they?
I played EVE Online for many years back at the beginning. I did not mind being pummeled for being weaker with resources. That's the game. I quit when a number of us were targeted for annihilation for not joining the "right" people. I did not complain. But that was the turning point for me playing, it was no longer fun. And I was a small miner/explorer. When I left, I swore not to come back. And I have not been back, nor will. I will admit it is a fun game, but not when you are targeted.
To be fair to Eve, isn't *every* mmo a bit unfun when you're targetted? :P
So then dont set yourself up to be such a big target. Eve at its core is easy game and not hard to avoid any sort of pvp as long as you try and not cry when the game doesnt suit you specifically.
@@umadbroimatroll7918 you can be ganged pvp in any area of the game.. whatbare you talking about
@@balla2172 you can , but i have to admit i spent years doing t4 missions and mining scordite but my most special story was also my greatest loss out exploring null sec because I managed too grow a pair. I was in my t3 that i had spent a bunch of cash on in isk. it was all dead spaced, and i was out exploring, all was going well till i ran into one of those camps, Well what followed was the most intense game of cat and mouse lasting over an hour, Id get webbed neuted name it kill the neuter cause i was a dick with auto target missiles as a backup, slip away jump i finally cloaked , in a panick.... i double clicked it, right as they are about too jump away ther i was pants down and stuck. friend in his Golem., was too scared too come from 3 jump out because then there would be 2 multi bulion setup ships as sweet targets for the rest of their friends, that alone often makes me want to come back . i did rebuild her just havent sent her into the flames yet.
It can still be fun - I like running away and hiding! However, I quit Eve because I prefer games based on walking around. I like scenery.
Take a chess player, and their play is ruthless. The game is played in real life, each opponent sitting across from the other. After the game is over, instead of shaking the opponent's hand, they "flip off" their opponent and laugh at them. The point is that there is a difference, a boundary between the game and behavior outside the game. Additionally, in the case of the in-person chess match, the opponents aren't anonymous, and they are in each other's physical presence. Meaning that there is more risk for acting in a mean or demeaning manner. In MMORPGs, the boundary is much less clear. Additionally, the people are protected by anonymity; no one in their real lives need know how they behaved.
I have heard the excuse, "Its just a game," and if they didn't want something bad to happen, they shouldn't have been playing Eve (or some other game). The problem is that humans are physical, emotional, social beings and how you treat others and how you are treated matters. No one deserves to be treated badly in any of these areas of life. Additionally, abusive, toxic people will always have some sort of excuse: If they didn't want to be shaved, they shouldn't have been sheep. Because on-line is nearly entirely anonymous, that is when acting kindly and avoiding taking advantage or abusing others is the most important. Just like when you give your word is more important than your name on a legal contract.
I doubt this Mitten person would be ok with his behavior being known to everyone in his off-line life. If his mother knew what he had done, would she have been happy? My rule I try and follow is I never do anything I wouldn't want everyone in my life to know about. To be clear, I'm not an angel and I haven't always acted in a manner that is consistent with this. But the exceptions to this have been just that: exceptions. When you live your life, day to day, being a mean-spirited, toxic abusive jerk, you have a really screwed up value system. I would even go so far as to say that you are a really screwed up person. Plus, when the time comes when someone has more power than you and you become a victim, can you look yourself in the mirror realizing that you effectively did the same thing to someone else, that you did so regularly?
How you conduct yourself in all areas of your life matters and, "its only a game" doesn't cut it. Those are real people at the end other end of those keyboards.
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I had someone try to doxx me about my online behavior once. I laughed at them and told them I wouldn't even look at their doxx because whatever I said online I would say to anyone's face IRL, which is true. I simply DGAF, at all. Not even a little.
I guess that is the one thing Themeparks have over Sandboxes.
You might be able to go back in time to Vanilla Wow, but you can't go back in time to Pre-Goon Eve.
There's a lot of complicated things going on with this issue!! Let's keep comments classy please space frands!!
Not easy when you're talking about such a massive douche though lol.
Personally I think the extremely low class of the person that is talked about sets the bar for the average comments, cant expect them to be classy when the subject is someone barely worth the energy to type out a few choice words about.
I can only hope karma finally came and did its rounds and the reason for his resignation was something suitably bad happening to him, just as he has wished and done upon so many others for his own enjoyment.
overall, i'd say its bad.
why? because he was one of the big faces of EVE, and we're so short on those at the moment.
Eve runs on hate and grudges
It's what drives conflict and thus content.
From its earliest days in the northern war, to the greatest wars, ideological clash and personal grudges made it memorable
And to cause these were people with big notoriety
Yet where are all of them now?
Sir Molle gone, Gigx banned, PGL a joke, Mittani gone,
Gobbins is around, but he's always been more of a figure in the shadows, not a public face.
wheres the big name people in current eve generating memorable conflicts....
right now the only conflcits are for desperation for content, and have little impact or memory. they forgotten so fast as they not clashes with meaning past wanting something to shoot at.
not saying Mittani was a good person, but he was a well known face and thus a reason to go to war against him.
In the twilight of my Eve Online gameplay, I started to get more and more into Roleplay, particularly during the Triglavian Invasion.
I got introduced to many roleplay communities and participated with them.
Its then that I learned the true face of much of the Roleplay in Eve.
Styling myself as an ally of the Triglavians, I was naturally subject to opposition from those roleplayers on the other side.
I maintained my character and never crossed the line, I didn't even walk the line.
Those opposed however took every opportunity to hurl abusive and demeaning comments towards me and others, using Roleplay to justify it.
And the same could be said from people on my side of the roleplay.
I put up with it longer than I should, but finally broke character one day to call these people out for their disgusting behaviour, and many took my side.
I took no further part in Eve Online roleplay, now that I saw its true face.
Always love to see a video from you, keep doing topics important to you. Keep up the great work!
"Hesitant to make this video, made it anyways." Haven't heard of this before.
Seems as though people forgot their (goon) entry into the game was to break it.
my thoughts exactly
can't comprehend how someone can choose to be a goon knowing all this
I found that people playing asshole "characters" are typically assholes in real life.
I'm glad he's gone but unfortunately his type is now unfortunately prevalent in many online communities, not just in EVE.
Ah yes, when real life nerds gets power in a game. Feeling accomplished when they force you to log off.
Imagine being forced to do anything by anyone on the internet 😂 you lost when you began
This is not an isolated incident, but, an example of the current culture within EVE Online. It's become a ganking game where older players think it's funny to mess with newer players. Along with the price increase and pay to play it is one of the major reasons numbers are taking a dive.
@@ExilliusYTyour mistake was living in high sec
@Exillius The forum is also full of toxic smug a-holes, who think all posters are experienced players.
@Exillius too bad man. In my case while there were people who destroyed my ship in low sec, all of the people I met were helpful and even generous. I just started the game almost a week ago though
@@ExilliusYT nowhere is safe in eve there are ways to easily avoid getting killed but hisec is probably THE most dangerous place to mine
yeah Im a prospective player but I just saw it was £16 a month lol, that combined with the smug elitist attitude that basically everyone in eve seems to have is super offputting
Eve is an amazing game but it requires too much commitment. I'd rather live life.
It sounds like you forgot to have fun fren.. It's a video game.
With all of these big MMOs it's always the same, 'it was immensely popular, but had a toxic player base and there was lots of abuse...' and then that gets 'fixed' with new rules and moderators, etc., so it's 'so much better now' but then 'unfortunately, the game started to lose popularity and the player numbers dropped down...'. Same pattern, over and over.
It's almost as if the backbone of any MMO is the kind of people who play for hours everyday and spend most of their extra money on game related activities, almost as though those people have almost no IRL social life outside the game and the game is the one place they feel like they can be themselves.
It's almost like creating new rules for the benefit of occasional players or to impress IRL media creeps that don't really like games but just play games to review them as their job, ie, the kind of people who demand IRL social rules to apply to every game and hobby, will drive out the people who love the game the most and leave mostly the people who don't really play that much so the game dies down.
Companies need to stop doing this, stop catering to what are really non-players, stop listening to reviews or media creeps talking about a popular game's 'toxic repuation', thinking they're going to bring in new players by 'cleaning up' when it's the 'toxic elements' in the game that made it popular to begin with.
'Games journalists' are not gamers, their opinions should always be ignored, following advice from 'games journalists' will destroy a game, they should know that, the pattern has repeated over and over enough for companies to know that.
That's the best news I've heard coming from Eve in years, better than any content or graphics upgrades. I might even sub and play again.
I've always said that a person's true personality can be seen in a game, and EVE shows this quite clearly.
I totally agree. I played from 2004 for 15 years but after that, and considering the state of the game, I couldn't find a way to continue without selling my soul to the faceless, massive alliances. That is not a sandbox, just another form of fascism and I'm fucked if I'm playing that game.
@@CMDR_Verm i am not played in EVE online and tbh don't want but just watched some videos and was reading comments. I am played in Overwatch 2 though enough long and i guess i am sucks as person i had some friends with which i am played as Mercy main guy pocketed them 24/7 and they protected/saved me as damage dealers but i deleted enough friends don't remember sure but like at least 4-5 and didn't feel regret. And now i am still have one friend which protected/saved me too its gave me dopamine and feeling myself that i am so important and idk i feel like i can delete him too in future but with other side some part of me want we will be friends. And yeah most heroes in Overwatch 2 i am hate/dislike and its annoyed me not so rare
That's why I have an avid dislike of lowsec pirates. Sure it fair play to do what they do gate camping and dock camping... doesn't make them good... just effective scum.
Like highsec gankers... I wish there was a better way to oppose these guys. Currently, the only way to fight highsec hanker I know of, is to survive them until concord comes. Even if you survive them, they rarely lose much in the attempt, so for them, it's like whatever. But if they succeed, the cost to you is far more substantial. Guess it is what it is.
@@jonathanbaker4361 Old tipps still apply.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose...
@@ickebins6948 OK, how does that affect the truth of my statement? Are they not scum?
If I came to your house and vandalized your car, can I say, "don't drive what you can't afford to lose," and that would make me less scum?
Sure it's just a game, but the costs are still real, but smaller in a way maybe. The spiritual corruption is every bit present in the people who approve of such things and do them.
I don't really play the game. Only thing there seems to be to do is chip rocks and wait to be victimized by you. I don't want to be a victim, but I am also not looking to ruin other people's day. I'll stick to CO-op games
To quote the Goons themselves: "One less in fleet"
As someone who knows Gigx, I wouldn't put him on the same level here. He is actually an alright guy and not as toxic as Mittens.
Free Gigx
@@sixteenpennynails Yes! Free Him!
beeing fair Gigx just always wanted content for his alliance, more often then not that was at odds with people wanting to make a big blue donugt. He always said if you can not defend what you have you have no claim in having it in the first place. that is also the principle he lead by and pople either hated or loved him for it.
As someone who loved being in co2 I completely agree.
you may not be a tactical genius but you are one of the guys ive ever known ;)
this is on epf the comments I have ever read
@@richard38618 In an odd coincidence, that is the comment I have read all day.
I’ve been a casual player for a long time. Would love to get back into this more and find friends to relearn the game with!
Great vid, very comprehensive. I hate toxicity and bullying, CCP have no issues with either, they even reward players who use same. Another top notch content creator halted his activities last week and it was a disgrace caused by one sociopath who forgot to grow up but who is good at skirting the limits of the terms of service. I blow up plenty of ships. And if they're new I reimburse the pilots and give them fits and advice then send them to good corps. Its not easy being civil when the environment rewards bad behaviour but at the end of it all we're all accountable to our conscience. I hope in these people's final breaths they reflect on what a butthead they've been.
Been playing for just less than a year an beem blown up a LOT before joining a smaller alliance. Your actions/philosophy is what I am striving/working towards. Getting blown is not NEAR as painful if the one popping your ship tells you why you died and gives advice on how not to die in the future.
@@jesseamaya4413 Glad to hear. :)
@@jesseamaya4413 Gibbs' Rule #42: ''Never accept an apology from someone who just sucker punched you.''
Someone blowing up your ship and then "giving you advice" is the height of condescension.
Mittens was not ousted, he resigned.
This!
Yeah wtf he just resigned for his own reasons, no one saked him, god bless mittens!!
Bring back Remedial
More like he jumped before he got pushed.
Hi, interesting take. But on your “the victim becomes the bully“ narative just a small observation from experience and knowledge about social systems and communication. (Important note! Not talking about the Mittani here, just your example) Every bully lives in an specific social environment, that encourages/ enables/ “psycjologically forces“ him or her to act out the bully lurking in the dark. Victims, who “overthrow“ a bully will find themselves in a very short lived place of power as the new (revenge/ reverse)-bully. If they really were victims of bullying, then they, by design, will not want or be able to keep up their bullying position and someone else will fill that role asap. (Not saying, that former victims cant go on to become bitter bullies themselves --but they need a new social environment for that.)
So wheretf am I going with this? As much as I understand it, if a victim can become the new topdog, then what you wittnessed was not bullying, but a powerstruggle between two ppl fighting for the leadership. The big diffence being, that a powerstruggle is between two people (sucking in the group), while bullying is a group problem (sucking in the bully and the victim). The former ends when there is a winner, the latter can only end, when the whole group changes.
That's probably true in a way. I just remember a couple of guys from highschool that were not physical AT ALL...but had a lot of social power through trolling and ridicule. Damn I was lucky to have taken karate or I might have turned out like them. :D
@@resurrectedstarships Funny how you see it, as if being physically threatening ever kept ppl from becoming bullies'. :)))
On the mittany - I always thought of him as a very talented propagandist. In the end he did the same mistake, they all do - he believed his own propaganda.
i started this game on launch , ended up in Goons, ( in the end) it was so much fun. never cared about the meta game that some people are doing. ps my first corp was in BOB :) and i was there when they welped we just moved into rent space only t loose all my shit .) Great times..
I wouldn't go so far. He retaired after playing this game 16 years. I put his footmark on the Galaxy and we miss him deeply. The new guy he is more like a Hands on FC and Director of the Goonswarm Federation. He is our new Emperor.
It all comes down to how effective the new leader is at providing engaging content for the swarm. If he can then many of them will remain and be happy in a newer less toxic way. If he can't then he will be ousted or ignored and they will put someone in who fits Goon's "culture" or they will fracture into smaller groups and battle it out in a civil war. Which actually sounds like it could be way cool to watch happen.
Regardless the Mittani had to go. It was just too much and couldn't be tolerated any longer. There were the usual bs about he said she said and I wasn't really involved... it was a mess in reddit the day it went down. But there is a huge opportunity here.
Also can't wait to see the FW re work. Tried it last year and it was semi cool but felt really stale and empty of real meaning.
3 of those other characters moved to our Coalition and live among us. But which ones is for you to find out.
Good. The mitarni was always toxic and I'm glad he's gone.
Oh great! I can't watch this yet but I'll savour it later. Love your work.
When Howard Stern hit the radio with his shock jock style , the people who loved it said “ we listen because we don’t know what he’s gonna say/do next” the people who hated him were asked the same question and there response was “ we don’t know what he’s gonna say next”……
Love him or hate him he is an Eve legend
The ideia that a suicidal person is playing Eve to escape or sending help letters to Mittami is ridiculous.
Eve is a harsh game where most people will screw you up. You will lose everything and see many hours of your time go down the drain in an instant many times. It is not an environment where people who are depressed will get any better or be able to stay for long.
The letter was obviously fake and Mittami knew it, thus his tirade about it.
Either way what made Eve different was that it was a real sandbox. Starting to police speech behavior no matter e how egregious you may think it is will ultimately destroy it.
There is no such a thing as hate speech. There is just speech you don't like, and when you start defining things as "hate speech" there is nothing that cannot be classified as such.
Just like any new emerging tech/economy there are bad actors, and the game is progressing. Eve was shaped by this person and the way people view the game! So ultimately its bad he’s gone, but also a good thing because it allows the game to reshape itself into something new.
I played for around 10 years since the start in ASCN. Sir Molle and BOB annihalated us, then Goons came. Back then I wasnt happy about loosing but what would EVE be without those guys? No stupid censorship like in many games now. I dont like bullying and stuff but if you cant handle it, dont play. The community tend to take care of that sooner or later anyways.
It's called karma. If you act like or are a PoS sooner or later, one way or another, it comes full circle. You reap what you sow. The Goons are better off without that PoS.
How far away from Jita and Perimeter is your Corp located?
Many past experiences have put a horrid taste in my mouth for null sec. I prefer operating in high sec
What you need a corp for then?
@@ickebins6948 what kind of silly question is that.
@@BlueBoxRevan Why would you need a corp in highsec? For what purpose exactly?
You're doing much better alone in HS.
Oh just remembered, you should do a comparison between SNW episode 10 and the TOS episode it's based on, I think that would be awesome!
I not sure if Cribba still plays I used to do a lot of Indy and even titans under older pos rules - haven’t actively played eve now for several years although keep up with events, but price or subs, cost of Indy locations and all the new mats and new BPO meant I never found getting back into the game as I cannot even do what I used to in game as they kept moving goal posts on investments - one day with a lot of support I like to return to advanced industry stuff again - I met the Mattani in 2015 fanfest strange guy
Hi am returning viewer but still not playing cause of real life thanks for the update. Quick question you ever going to try eve echoes
Blind devotion is with CODE and entities alike. Those play EULA on very thin line between griefing and harassment masked with role playing.
Mittani was only poster boy for alliance, a walking talking billboard that ultimately have little to nothing to alliance itself.
Majority of people in goons do their mandatory fleets etc but are there by convenience not by loyalty like with any bigger alliance. Thing is with mandatory fleets (i think 3 fleets minimum per month per player) and their SRP system that mostly contribute to the feeling of loyalty since srp covers like 50 to 100% ship value so sometimes loosing ship in fleet earns you money and taking that fear of loosing money from eve player makes them eager to pvp more.
But CODE and things like ex SNUFF etc etc are just in game to see it burn and forced even eve creators to quit making content due to griefing. Compared to them goons are amateurs in being bad.
Coming for you man, we're all coming for you.
I have been playing EvE on and off, in very minor roles, for many years. One thing that M got right was that he embraced the chaotic nature of the sandbox. But he couldn't stop there. I suppose he was the most hated player, even though you could never find him in space, anywhere. I am glad he is gone.
Your content is always top notch .
When the cowboy bebop movie came out when I was 16 17 I dreampt of such a game where I could be a space cowboy, be anything I wanted, I found eve and have been playing since 2007. It's so sad how once pay to play showed up and now with pay to win mechanics, you can see the decline in the authenticity of the original outlook. I spent my first year in hs and then I immediately became an information broker. I found pleasure in building connections earning trust, then turning around and selling your trade routes, store hubs and on occasion have led fleets to your doorsteps. In the later years, I opened 14 other accounts and paid a lot of money to skill them into what I jeered to become am independent capital builder Corp solo, with the express purpose to pump out dozens of capitals a week for the war effort to anyone who contracted me out. I have fought my brothers and sisters as well as thrown my coffers st their war efforts as well, most of the time playing sides against another so I could sell more ships. Eve in the last 3 years has disappointed me update after update.
This game was NEVER supposed to be touched by pay to win mechanics and that at its core was why we were there. The eve economy was instantly fucked by the pay to win mechanics directly affecting the entire eve market place. My corporation became obsolete. So sad the empire I built. CCP sold out and took us vets with them. Which sucks because it came at a time the game needed massive overhauling.
A lot of CCP dev's used to be very close with BOB, rumor was they all had characters in there, tech 2 BPO's spawned, silly things. I remember when goons first started, fleets of frigates would chase you down, everyone laughed, what can they do, they only fly frigates, then it wasn't funny anymore, they were in bigger ships, and better fleets. But they were always nasty, scamming was a way of life.
When BOB fell, all we did is replace one overlord with another, you went into BOB space you got killed, you went in to goon space you got killed. The Mittani always struck me as a nasty bully, if he has a job I'll bet he treats his colleague the same. the trouble is the main dev's who formed what Eve was mostly went on to other projects, the remaining Dev's now fully embrace and encourage the goon play style, when I started playing the wonder of seeing a Dominix with fifteen drones swarming around it, as I flew past, wondering how people landed on the gate (insta bookmarks) escrow, It was an immersive game, now its just a gankfest.
10:45 are those character count figures or real player figures?
Still have a bunch to learn about the game, but always have a blast on our roams.
Don’t forget the big subscription price increase.
“Kicked” still running it 100%
EVE never seemed to be compatible with someone who has to work a job and provide for a family, or maybe I would have joined it. Final Fantasy XI used to be this way, and then they changed it all around so I can actually play a hour a week, and still make reasonable progress. I like to read the stories about events that happened in EVE, but that is as far as I will ever go.
@@SmalltimR Ok, I forgot to mention I can't justify, nor afford pay to win games. Pay to play fine, I can justify and afford one of those, hence Final Fantasy XI, but pay to win, no. Never have, never will.
Spending money on an item, in a game, that when the game is over the item is gone is lunacy to me. I would rather make friends, and spend time working to get something.
At least when the game is over I still have the relationships I forged, and I can say that is the case for Final Fantasy XI. I still talk to and play other games with many of the people I used to play FFXI with, which makes them memories I have of old school FFXI all more special.
You can even pay now for just 2 days omega for a weekend, it's about $3
Best game I'll never play, bad people doing bad things.
Oh you are “recruiting by the way “😂
The Mittani did a bad. We all know this. But even after giving a genuine apology to the person he wronged, Mittens still isnt forgiven for 2012. Its 2022.
THAT is the true toxic behavior that poisons online communities.
It's almost as if apologies are never accepted.
Mittens gave people a free pass to be as horrible as he is. So - they were only too happy to prop him up for it. It isn't a game - the moment you're one person speaking to another. Hiding behind 'it's a game' is outright cowardice.
You're an idiot
wow surprised this guy was still the leader. Feel like seen that name in random internet Eve drama video for a decade
PVP will always breed toxic behavior, im just glad the worst went to EVE so i could avoid most of em in the games i do play.
indeed! ;D
It really doesn't have to be though. I like to talk to people after fights, whether i won or lost, even made friends that way. It's a game, I have zero anger at losses.
@@malango255 It doesnt have to be, but it is. its the sad reality pvp breeds negative traits in humanity over the long term. No one likes to lose deep down, and maybe there are some that can handle it for a while, everyone has a limit especially when you are paying to play the game. The only pvp games ive seen that has had a reduced negative presence are those that are totally free to play and have absolutely no capability of losses in resources like Fortnite, but even that game has its share of trolls.
If you think eve is toxic you haven't played very many video games online. LoL, GTA 5 Online, CoD, etc, are much, much worse than EVE ever has been. I've been playing EVE since 2005, and yes there's toxic people, I mean, just walk out your front door for 5 minutes and you'll see how toxic people are in general these days anyway. With that being said, though, EVE is relatively calm in comparison to so many other games I've played/still playing.
Eve for me, has the most grown up pvp action in all the games I played...
I stopped playing the game in 2012, and during my time in Eve Mittani came across as just a self righteous a-hole who believed his own hype. Now I am retired I might go back this year, or sometime next year when I've built a new PC. As for Mittani what he publicly did was disgusting, and shows what kind of person he is, the game and Goon is better off without him.
I just want to point out that Delta Sqad's record of achievements in the last couple of years is off the charts: first, the Sqad of (what started as) like twelve people turned the Beeitnam War around, kickstarting the defeat of the PAPI megacoalition three times Goonswarm's size. Then, having sent PAPI fleeing in disarray after their year-long campaign, Delta Sqad turned around and did in three weeks what PAPI couldn't accomplish with 150k people over the course of a year: they defeated Mittani. Delta Sqad: 2. The entire rest of nullsec: 0. Just let that sink in.
We are now again the Biggest Corporations and Membership in eve without the one and Only. approx. 46.342 Members But the Bad reputation is gone.
he was grabbing or stopping short \ bumping into women at bar's, people were literally warning each other about him on facebook and people recognised it was mittani , pretty good laugh how pathetic that is , sort of surprised people refuse to mention it , not sure why
I like the Space Pope. spread the love- uh Lasers!
power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolutely
What happened to good vs evil
You alright if I dm ya? been wanting to get back into EvE and try something new for once.
I’ve always been interested in the romance of the game. Kinda sorry I left. Time for revisiting.
How can I join your pvp lowsec corp?
Check the video description.
LONG LIVE B.O.B
Eve players love to throw words like "important" around loosely.
Alex was the best. The alliance doesn't feel the same without him anymore. And Asher? He will never be able to emerge from Mitten's shadow.
Fought BOB, and goonswarm, and at times joined both, its all part of the fun, Mittani was a force lol, leaving it at that
They are bigger than ever. No cascade fail.
Allot things changed since then Better then with MIttani. Some things that our old Leader would not improve but he is gone now the Real Golden Age of Goonswarm is evolving.
EvE was one of the MMOs I considered until I heard of the Mittani and his reputation. Since the current MMO I am playing is in maintence mode I might consider EvE again.
So you didnt try EVE because of Mittani?
Mittani is a horrible person in-game and out.
God everyone hates on mittens for a comment he made back in 2012....... its been 10 years everyone grows in that time his no different forgive and forget
The price of playing eve has become a little steep to especially for us lads and ladies not in America or Europe I've been apart of the eve community since 2006 odd probably longer.
Since I heard about BoB incident I was frustrated. This meant I should be keeping myself away from game where something so horrible could be done so easily. Now that I know this ugly insect is smashed I can rest in piece and play the game.
Now why would Delta Sqad do this?
none of these ppl are even close to being toxic goons are like a bunch of 3 year old that just learned the f word
Eve is toxic no matter how you slice it.
Mittani could not have been what he is without thuosands backing him who are the same.
I joined EVE at 2008 and left about a decade later seeing how a game about cooperation became a game about unchecked toxicity in the guise of ''player controlled eden''
My Eve story is a bit similar, I left a while after being ganked in high sec a few times by some multiboxer that just threw like 5-8 cheap ships at me at a time worth barely anything.
It was not the losses that drove me to quit, I had lost plenty of ships before that. It was the fact that every single character/account there were obvious multibox/bot accounts, I had no clue who was really behind them so I had no way of retaliating.
They could just keep using their other "real" account to farm money and fuel endless suicide waves on these accounts with literally no risk of losing anything they were not already willing to suicide into a target to kill it. It broke the entire illusion of actions having consequences and made everything in the game seem completely pointless, a week or two of that thought rolling around and I cancelled my sub and never returned.
I tried getting into this game but you literally have to wait like a year or more to get ships good enough to fight in PVP or even just PVE. Getting into this game now is not fun at all. As a brand new player who got destroyed out of the starter system for being a new player. I'm not going to even try to play this game anymore.
I can see where you got that impression but it's not really true. Faction warfare fights can be fun with frigates. And if you have a good training program you can have a compotent character in about a month. But even before that you can have fleet fun.
Coming back Oct 09 2022 Caldari spec
Me thinks the mittani still has the rights to goonswarm merch so he will probably stay quiet until that cash flow dries up then i would not be surprised if he pulls the plug on all the goon assets
Eve is just a very very heavy game ,,, am wore out the amount of concentration it requires and daily specifics for years ,, I cant even force myself to log in anymore
1:18
so many people don't realize this lol
Yes but doesn't mean you have to do it. Eve brings out the true nature in people. Hence why i'm nice in-game. I like pvp, I don't like mining but I'm nice to all types of players. I don't enjoy being ''bad'' in game because it goes against my nature.
mattini is insidious in-game and out. It's his nature. look at him relishing in the suicidal player story.
@@malango255 "I'm nice and perfect and It goes against my nature to even associate myself with people that scam others in a game"
gtfo out man lol
@@richard38618 who said i don't associate? what are you talking about. i sent my fave ganker streamer 1 bil last week. i simply give isk instead of steal it. crime is ok in eve. Being a douche isn't.
@@malango255 ok
@@richard38618 very ok.
Don't think for 2 seconds that Goons will lack diplomats...Goons is likely the most organized team in Eve
There is a lot to unpack about "The Mittani" but keep in mind that he went to as many player meet ups as he could and often was verbally and sometimes physically assaulted by people who were opposed to goons in the game. Also there is a huge difference between the character and the person behind the character. At irl meet ups he promoted everyone to hang out together as Eve players and if you were insulting to anyone he would call it out and remind people that out of game was "fun" time and that "in game divisions" were for game time not irl. If you haven't ever gone to an Eve meet as an Eve player you are missing out. Unless you cannot separate irl from the game, then stay home you should look for help from a mental health professional.
jesus I thought he was cool
never meet your heroes I guess
@@richard38618 well, that's where you are wrong, he IS cool, he didn't die, just stepped away from the game after 10 years as "the guy".😛
@@kagtonblackmoon9425 I mean I get joking around but physically assaulting someone isn't really a cool thing even if it's an act
@@richard38618 you did understand that it was other people assaulting or trying to assault Mittani?
@@kagtonblackmoon9425 and the time at fanfest he encouraged people to tell a guy to off himself?
I can tell you irl I would never hire him for any roll in my company. Actions even in game have consequences irl
Well personally Mittani is kinda like Darth Vader of Eve online
I quit when the devs allowed people to gank people who didn’t pay for the right to mine in high sec.
no need to overanalyze his psyche hes just a stereotypical 4chan troll, u either have that sense of humor or u dont
I always dreamt of being in the goons, for years, probably a decade, when I finally got my chance, I learned it was the most toxic environment I've ever seen before or since leaving. I left everything down there, eventually sold it all at a huge discount but man. The goons. I did get a peak behind the veil at their operations. I hadn't done any espionage for years by that time, but my instincts still kicked in. Going through their maim systems and seeing how their "war room" was was inspiring and terrifying. I have seen organizatioknfor power like that on scale since reading emoyrean age and knowing that the goons were doing something even larger. I'm in dronelands solo now, making 10 bil every 8 active hours running escalations in total silence. But if i see a goon, I'm following and tryna risk it for the KM.
WHOA WHAT MITTENS IS GONE?!