@@theohuntt A lot of it has to do with how it was done. Glenn dies like this in the comics. However, what people took an issue with was how they initially gave Abraham Glenn's death, yet another fake-out, then they completely shut off Daryl's brain and had him make one of the dumbest decisions a character has ever made on the show and this is what led to Glenn dying. It wasn't Glenn's death people took an issue with. It was all the stupidity surrounding it.
I had already known that he dies in the comic and I hoped Glenn would live. I did continue watching a bit after he died but I couldn’t handle it because I was so sad.
While I definitely agree that this was the turning point for the show, I always felt that people left for the wrong reason. Many I know left because they were upset about Glenn and how brutal his final scene was. Sadly, that is canon to the source material and is what needed to happen for proper character development. As much as I wish it weren't true, it really was his time in the story arc. For me, what killed the show was how the storytelling/design changed in Seasons 7&8. We had several episodes where we went around 4 weeks before getting back to the previous plot points. Battles and action sequences became even more absurd (Rick and crew wasted hundreds of bullets just shooting windows). Killing other people became meaningless: instead of it being a big deal when someone took a life, we had scenes where the group killed Saviours by the hundreds. Rick, Daryl, and Carol probably have kill counts of 100+ at this point. That, to me, is what made me eventually tune out around season 9 or so. As we lost touch with those more character-driven plots and focused on action ones, I just stopped caring. (Let's not even bring up elephant in the "Coral" reef...)
Agreed, it wasn't so much that Glenn's death extinguished the hope within the show, it was the horrible shift in the storytelling that occurred around the same time that did. We were already seeing evidence of this shift in Seasons 4 and 5, but it just got worse as the show went on. (Season 6 was surprisingly good despite the shift in storytelling)
If they showed Abe get killed in the finale of s6 and showed glen get killed in the flashback in S7 ep1 I think it would’ve gone over a lot better with the fan base
This is a great video bro , Glenn marked those early seasons, it’s really strange he isn’t brought up much in the present like the ones who live and Daryl Dixon
Should've let him live, it ruined Maggie's character, overshadowed Abe's death and the show lost too many viewers, well, it's easy to say in hindsight.
my thing that makes me hate his death the most is it permanently ruined maggies characters, from that point on all the way to dead city s1, all maggie cared about was hating/killing negan, it became so exhausting that i wish glenn was alive just so maggie would get over it lmao
If you know Glen then there is a chance that you might think that Glen got his revenge, and that’s Negan’s redemption by being humbled for all of the terrible things he did as a savour
Glen’s death wasn’t the turning point for me it was Abraham’s death, and the gruesome manner of Glen’s death.. In my opinion most the fan’s were expecting Negan to Kill Glen, if the series followed the comics , and many times they didn’t. I prepared my self for Glen leaving the show , but the gruesome-ness of Abraham’s head being pulverized was my turning point “it was overkill for shock value, then beating Glen’s eye out to ensure the audience got it”,, I was done . I finished the rest of the season, then I dipped.
I stopped watching a little after Glenn's death, but it was definitely because of it. My two favourites had just died back to back, one because of a character I'd never liked. For me, as I was watching TWD, reading the comics and playing the games, I started to care less about the overall narrative and more for the characters to the point where the only reason I'm engaging is for the characters I like and it got to the point where the ammount of characters I didn't care about out weighed the characters I did so I didn't care about the world and stopped engaging with it.
I didn’t stop watching because of Glenn’s death as tragic and sad it was. I stopped watching because after that death a trend started when they saw their viewership spiked.
I don't really read the comic, but I'm aware that he dies in it. My problem is that it was bad enough that they killed early seasons' characters who don't die in the comic like Sophia and Andrea (though Andrea dies much _much_ later). So when it's finally time for him to die like in the comic, I just knew something far worse will happen, such as some other important characters who don't die in the comic will die in the show. And it happened, didn't it? My fear came true when they killed Carl, directly contradicts the comic when he, like Sophia, survives the whole thing. Heck, they even f-ing killed Jesus, yet another character who survive the comic. To hell with these writers and showrunners.
What is 10:52 😂 That aside, I'm probably one of the few that don't hate Glenn's death. I always hear about the discourse it caused, but really, it gave us _so_ much more rich plot developments to follow with the later seasons. It's part of the reason that incited why Negan and Maggie still have an ongoing 'relationship' 💀. With Glenn still around, he would eventually be given more to do but would be more like Daryl or Gabriel by S9. Really, it ended at the right narrative moment, and it happened in both mediums(comic and tv). The graphic violence doesn't really seem like the reason itself, but the message it subliminated to fans that saw themself in Glenn(and that part of themself died with the show). What contributed to the downfall was moreso the depressing mood and slow progression of S7 and 8. Had it picked up right away, so much steam and momentum would not be lost otherwise for such a great premiere(S7E1, one of the highest rated episodes on the show).
Whats annoying for me is they HAD to stay steadfast for some of the comic characters like maggie/glenn/Michonne/rick meanwhile the actors who played them were trying to leave, especially Maggie. Want a good story? Show glenn after negan kills maggie, or makes her his wife, or something. Maggie wanted to leave and did leave the show for MULTIPLE seasons, so having glenns death be a big breakthrough plot point for maggie didn't really work. Now theyre pushing multiple years of spin-offs for Maggie and how she cant forgive negan, even though that story is over done and a decade long in the story universe and IRL time as well
People found out that humanity was the enemy and not the Walkers in season 7? I knew that humanity was an enemy in season 1 when we found out Shane was screwing Lori, and Lori was Rick's wife!!! 🤦🏾♀️
Some thinking the death was too violent and went too far and was over excessive, well it was comic accurate. Too violent, far, and over excessive would be doing more than just smashing his head too mush after he was already dead. P.S. Season 6 cliff hanger was incredibly dumb.
His actual death I had no problem with. Saddest death in the series imo. I just wish he had more interactions with more people in the group since it would be the last time we would see him. I agree Maggie’s character definitely became trash as a result. That didn’t have to be the case but the writers messed that up. His death was symbolic and it was a fitting time for his character. Ngl when I first saw it I had to take 2 weeks off before watching on but it was a good death.
It's not Glenn's death only that make me stop following the show, it's Abraham too, I could've forgive the show if they only kill Glenn because I was prepared for that, and the promotion for S7 was that any of the characters can die, so I was prepare for Abraham to die also because he died way earlier in the comic, I was prepared for one of them to die, but 2 deaths in one sitting, honestly would've say dammit man and move on if the 2nd death wasn't disrespectful and at least another eeny meeny miny moe to give Glenn a chance to say goodbye, but nope, they just straight up kill Glenn without a second for him to say goodbye like Abraham for the shockvalue.
Glenn's death genuinely broke my heart he was the heart of the show. I knew it was going to happen but I wasn't ready for it. I still miss Glenn he was a great character. Steven Yeun is a talented actor and I wish him nothing but the best. He's fantastic in Invincible he's the only reason I watch it.
The whining and phoney critics of the 1st episode of the 7th season surely did NEVER read the books... And it makes me sick of their whines and complains of the violence... The books are uncensored... it was about time since the Governor was censored. Fragile, phoney and fake fans destroyed the franchise by themselves... until Carl's death!
Personally I didn’t care about Glenn getting killed off. The only reason I wish he didn’t get killed is for an indirect reason. So many OTHER PEOPLE did care and stopped watching the show and i think it was the beginning of a snowball effect of less and less effort going into the show from then on. Had Glenn not been killed off maybe Rick would’ve stuck around for a few more seasons. Him leaving paired with the huge gaps in episodes due to COVID was the death blow to the shows ratings and popularity. Back to my personal feelings about Glenn getting killed, Abraham was much more of a loss in my opinion. After Glenn and Maggie started dating almost every bit of dialogue from him was worrying about Maggie’s safety nonstop. All the other people in the group had lost people they loved and had to be concerned for the safety of people they cared about who were still around. Despite everyone else being in a similar position at least they could talk about something else and have personality. Glenn was a killjoy all the time. Glenn was a great character all until him and Maggie got serious
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Unfortunately I know a lot of people who stopped watching after his death
Yeah that always confused me, because his death made sense from a narrative perspective so I don’t get why people didn’t stick around
I guess they wanted glenn to grow up with his kid and now they couldnt do that since he died they would have to watch him grow without a father figure
@@theohuntt A lot of it has to do with how it was done. Glenn dies like this in the comics. However, what people took an issue with was how they initially gave Abraham Glenn's death, yet another fake-out, then they completely shut off Daryl's brain and had him make one of the dumbest decisions a character has ever made on the show and this is what led to Glenn dying. It wasn't Glenn's death people took an issue with. It was all the stupidity surrounding it.
When I rewatch TWD its up to Glenn's death then that's it
@@theohuntt if u dont get it problay u didn't like him as much as the other people did
I had already known that he dies in the comic and I hoped Glenn would live. I did continue watching a bit after he died but I couldn’t handle it because I was so sad.
Darly is my favourite chracter but knowing glenn died because of him still hurts
Yeah I have no idea what Daryl was thinking :/
Glen died in the comics, and Daryl wasn’t even in the comics
@@theohuntt Simple. He wasn't thinking, at all.
@@rayb.1180 I'm tired of people like you thinking Daryl didn't get Glenn killed.
even daryl still mad at himself for that and he even told maggie why he protects her
While I definitely agree that this was the turning point for the show, I always felt that people left for the wrong reason. Many I know left because they were upset about Glenn and how brutal his final scene was. Sadly, that is canon to the source material and is what needed to happen for proper character development. As much as I wish it weren't true, it really was his time in the story arc.
For me, what killed the show was how the storytelling/design changed in Seasons 7&8. We had several episodes where we went around 4 weeks before getting back to the previous plot points. Battles and action sequences became even more absurd (Rick and crew wasted hundreds of bullets just shooting windows). Killing other people became meaningless: instead of it being a big deal when someone took a life, we had scenes where the group killed Saviours by the hundreds. Rick, Daryl, and Carol probably have kill counts of 100+ at this point.
That, to me, is what made me eventually tune out around season 9 or so. As we lost touch with those more character-driven plots and focused on action ones, I just stopped caring. (Let's not even bring up elephant in the "Coral" reef...)
Agreed, it wasn't so much that Glenn's death extinguished the hope within the show, it was the horrible shift in the storytelling that occurred around the same time that did. We were already seeing evidence of this shift in Seasons 4 and 5, but it just got worse as the show went on. (Season 6 was surprisingly good despite the shift in storytelling)
If they showed Abe get killed in the finale of s6 and showed glen get killed in the flashback in S7 ep1 I think it would’ve gone over a lot better with the fan base
Yeah I totally agree they each deserved there own moment
This is a great video bro , Glenn marked those early seasons, it’s really strange he isn’t brought up much in the present like the ones who live and Daryl Dixon
Thank you bro and yeah he doesn’t really get mentioned by Daryl anymore :(
Should've let him live, it ruined Maggie's character, overshadowed Abe's death and the show lost too many viewers, well, it's easy to say in hindsight.
It did ruin her character XD
@@brianachim2670 It made her one dimensional, all she cares about is hating on Negan, lmao.
@@DaLegend-nz6li Hate and obsess. Good Lord I really hope those humors I heard aren’t true.🤣
Glen was an amazing character
Yeah he really was RIP Glenn :(
my thing that makes me hate his death the most is it permanently ruined maggies characters, from that point on all the way to dead city s1, all maggie cared about was hating/killing negan, it became so exhausting that i wish glenn was alive just so maggie would get over it lmao
@@toastyspaghetti4839 yeah I totally agree Maggie became so unbearable for the later seasons of the show after being so likable for so long :(
😂😂
His original “death” at the start of season 6 was much better than what happened to him
Nah
I thought he was... INVINCIBLE.
😭😭😭
His fakeout death with Nicholas was where I started checking out of TWD; used to watch weekly with friends.
His death still brings me to tears. 😭
Glenn was a fantastic character played amazingly by Steven Yeun. His death had a lot of my friends stop watching TWD.
If you know Glen then there is a chance that you might think that Glen got his revenge, and that’s Negan’s redemption by being humbled for all of the terrible things he did as a savour
Yeah, changed in the bad way, TWD never recovered from this, ever.
Glen’s death wasn’t the turning point for me it was Abraham’s death, and the gruesome manner of Glen’s death.. In my opinion most the fan’s were expecting Negan to Kill Glen, if the series followed the comics , and many times they didn’t. I prepared my self for Glen leaving the show , but the gruesome-ness of Abraham’s head being pulverized was my turning point “it was overkill for shock value, then beating Glen’s eye out to ensure the audience got it”,, I was done . I finished the rest of the season, then I dipped.
I stopped watching a little after Glenn's death, but it was definitely because of it. My two favourites had just died back to back, one because of a character I'd never liked. For me, as I was watching TWD, reading the comics and playing the games, I started to care less about the overall narrative and more for the characters to the point where the only reason I'm engaging is for the characters I like and it got to the point where the ammount of characters I didn't care about out weighed the characters I did so I didn't care about the world and stopped engaging with it.
I didn’t stop watching because of Glenn’s death as tragic and sad it was. I stopped watching because after that death a trend started when they saw their viewership spiked.
I don't really read the comic, but I'm aware that he dies in it. My problem is that it was bad enough that they killed early seasons' characters who don't die in the comic like Sophia and Andrea (though Andrea dies much _much_ later). So when it's finally time for him to die like in the comic, I just knew something far worse will happen, such as some other important characters who don't die in the comic will die in the show.
And it happened, didn't it? My fear came true when they killed Carl, directly contradicts the comic when he, like Sophia, survives the whole thing. Heck, they even f-ing killed Jesus, yet another character who survive the comic. To hell with these writers and showrunners.
What is 10:52 😂
That aside, I'm probably one of the few that don't hate Glenn's death. I always hear about the discourse it caused, but really, it gave us _so_ much more rich plot developments to follow with the later seasons. It's part of the reason that incited why Negan and Maggie still have an ongoing 'relationship' 💀. With Glenn still around, he would eventually be given more to do but would be more like Daryl or Gabriel by S9. Really, it ended at the right narrative moment, and it happened in both mediums(comic and tv). The graphic violence doesn't really seem like the reason itself, but the message it subliminated to fans that saw themself in Glenn(and that part of themself died with the show). What contributed to the downfall was moreso the depressing mood and slow progression of S7 and 8. Had it picked up right away, so much steam and momentum would not be lost otherwise for such a great premiere(S7E1, one of the highest rated episodes on the show).
Whats annoying for me is they HAD to stay steadfast for some of the comic characters like maggie/glenn/Michonne/rick meanwhile the actors who played them were trying to leave, especially Maggie. Want a good story? Show glenn after negan kills maggie, or makes her his wife, or something. Maggie wanted to leave and did leave the show for MULTIPLE seasons, so having glenns death be a big breakthrough plot point for maggie didn't really work. Now theyre pushing multiple years of spin-offs for Maggie and how she cant forgive negan, even though that story is over done and a decade long in the story universe and IRL time as well
People found out that humanity was the enemy and not the Walkers in season 7?
I knew that humanity was an enemy in season 1 when we found out Shane was screwing Lori, and Lori was Rick's wife!!! 🤦🏾♀️
And The Governor, Terminus, and the Claimers as well.
Lori thought Rick was dead because Shane told her i would’ve thought so to
@@RONALDOTHEGOAT-gl1tl Lori may have thought Rick was dead, but she screwed Shane weeks after they left Atlanta.That's unforgivable 🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️
@@king-of-draic8745 Yessssss, the walkers are just background threat. It was always humanity unfortunately 🤷🏾♀️
Some thinking the death was too violent and went too far and was over excessive, well it was comic accurate. Too violent, far, and over excessive would be doing more than just smashing his head too mush after he was already dead.
P.S. Season 6 cliff hanger was incredibly dumb.
Well. We still have daryl
Maybe change the title so it doesn’t spoil literally the most major death in the show
His actual death I had no problem with. Saddest death in the series imo. I just wish he had more interactions with more people in the group since it would be the last time we would see him. I agree Maggie’s character definitely became trash as a result. That didn’t have to be the case but the writers messed that up. His death was symbolic and it was a fitting time for his character. Ngl when I first saw it I had to take 2 weeks off before watching on but it was a good death.
They kept many other characters who died in the comics, why not Glenn?
It's not Glenn's death only that make me stop following the show, it's Abraham too, I could've forgive the show if they only kill Glenn because I was prepared for that, and the promotion for S7 was that any of the characters can die, so I was prepare for Abraham to die also because he died way earlier in the comic, I was prepared for one of them to die, but 2 deaths in one sitting, honestly would've say dammit man and move on if the 2nd death wasn't disrespectful and at least another eeny meeny miny moe to give Glenn a chance to say goodbye, but nope, they just straight up kill Glenn without a second for him to say goodbye like Abraham for the shockvalue.
Anybody who completely abandons a series solely because of a single character death is extremely childish.
Glenn's death genuinely broke my heart he was the heart of the show. I knew it was going to happen but I wasn't ready for it. I still miss Glenn he was a great character. Steven Yeun is a talented actor and I wish him nothing but the best. He's fantastic in Invincible he's the only reason I watch it.
The whining and phoney critics of the 1st episode of the 7th season surely did NEVER read the books...
And it makes me sick of their whines and complains of the violence...
The books are uncensored... it was about time since the Governor was censored.
Fragile, phoney and fake fans destroyed the franchise by themselves... until Carl's death!
This is god tier gatekeeping and glazing.
How did it change the walking death if the source material has him killed the exact same way? lmao
Did you not watch the video 😭😭😭 I was talking about viewership from the show at least watch the video before commenting 😁
@@theohuntt Not referring to your title or the video. I guess my reply didn't go to the comment mentioning what I asked lol
Personally I didn’t care about Glenn getting killed off. The only reason I wish he didn’t get killed is for an indirect reason. So many OTHER PEOPLE did care and stopped watching the show and i think it was the beginning of a snowball effect of less and less effort going into the show from then on. Had Glenn not been killed off maybe Rick would’ve stuck around for a few more seasons. Him leaving paired with the huge gaps in episodes due to COVID was the death blow to the shows ratings and popularity.
Back to my personal feelings about Glenn getting killed, Abraham was much more of a loss in my opinion. After Glenn and Maggie started dating almost every bit of dialogue from him was worrying about Maggie’s safety nonstop. All the other people in the group had lost people they loved and had to be concerned for the safety of people they cared about who were still around. Despite everyone else being in a similar position at least they could talk about something else and have personality. Glenn was a killjoy all the time. Glenn was a great character all until him and Maggie got serious