I wouldn’t say that this is bad - I sometimes missed similar questions in other media, when the characters are often not surprised by what they see and hear. BUT - Marvel partly abuses such jokes, which is why their humor has become a household word - in a bad way. It’s just that after Endgames, all the existing problems began to worsen, because the franchise began to feel pointless and a parody of itself. I mean, let's be honest - Loki and Agatha All Along do not look like a Marvel series, but rather like a random series that feature Marvel characters. This enhances the feeling that the viewer is watching a parody, and a bad one at that.
@ahoramazda6864 I agree with you, it used to get a chuckle out of me but now like you said they have used it to the point where it's about as funny as an amy Schummer special
“They fly now” is the worst dialog I have ever heard in a big budget action movie. You just know the writer thought it was brilliant comedy. Not only is it unfunny, it makes no sense that they wouldn’t already know that.
I also took it as a wink and a nod from the writers that they KNOW the movie they’re writing is trash. It’s like they’re acknowledging the fact that the movie is doing something stupid, with no precedent in the story world, for no other reason than somebody thought it would be cool. So they basically write the audience’s reaction into the characters mouth-Huh? They fly now?-partly as your typical meta joke, but also partly as a defense mechanism, where they think if they acknowledge their own bad writing first, then that shields them from other people pointing it out and criticizing it. That’s become a very common strategy with modern trash movies.
@@therainman7777 That's called lampshade hanging. But just like with soyboys, being self-aware your writing is trash doesn't make it any less trash. If anything, it's worse cause it means you're lazy and refuse to improve.
@@G.McAllen That was really bad as well. They had to shove it in there so she could girl boss in front of the man that had been operating the Millennium Falcon for years. Mary Sue, indeed.
It’s so immersion breaking and makes me feel like it’s somehow supposed to substitute the actual writing. It’s gives off the impression that even the writers themselves don’t care about what they are writing and feel forced to make it (in their minds anyways) painfully “bearable” by inserting this trash everywhere. It makes we want to puke. The thought of going to a movie theater to devour an entire gallon of coke and popcorn only too…🤢😭
Race-swapping a character is an insult to both races. "Whitey - you're out - yesterday's news! Black guy - literally put on the used, hand-me-down outfit that white guy hands you!"
Raceswapping is often just Hollywoods way of basically saying "We're not hiring Black People to direct their own movies and stories, so here's a race swapped version of a beloved character to make you guys shut up."
People don't see the hypoceisy and double standard unfortunately. It's disrespectful to both races and dumbs everything down to their skin color being their only characteristic. Barely any character complexity anymore
/s As if... a white man wouldn't be able to 'hand' it to the black guy... it's transported from the white dressing room to the colored dressing room... Again, just in case you missed the first one /s
Marvel "humor" is at the point where the very INSTANT something serious happens (or is about to happen) onscreen, you can practically hear the 10 second countdown timer before we get a "LOL Joke" moment. (i like to play the 'Jeopardy' theme in my head while this is happening).
It's the Joss Whedon effect. It was OK in Buffy, then it caught on and everyone uses it wrong now. Buffy undercut tension at times, but never completely destroyed it or had characters talking out of character for the sake of a clever quip.
@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDayIt was fine in the first Avengers movie, because they put Whedon on a leash. They balanced the comedy and serious moments so it still felt impactful. Then they completely let him off the leash in Avengers 2. It was so bad that even the villains were quipping.
I think the only joke that aged well was the one from Dr. Strange. "How long have you been at Kamartaj Mr..." "Doctor." "Mr. Doctor?" "It's Strange." "Maybe, who am I to judge?" That joke still makes me laugh, but the rest of them just make me groan now.
@@MitchTaylor-x8c Whenever I heard about this scene I always wonder if it actually happened, kinda like all of those morbius jokes. I'm not gonna watch either to find out tho
Its the fact _every single character_ has to be a comedian, probably explains why i dislike MCU Spiderman cause he no longer feels like rhe jokester hero now 😂
This should be spoken about more I believe. It feels like no characters are serious anymore especially the character who have the fates of their worlds on the line
The biggest issue for me is that 'Marvel Humour' isn't meant to be appreciated, it's meant to be consumed. You hear it once, laugh and move on. I laughed at the jokes when I heard them the first time but when I go back and rewatch, I'm just disappointed that what could be phenomenal scenes are about to be interrupted by a joke I've heard before.
"Well that just happened. He's right behind me, isn't he? Guys, a little help here!" None of that. Have someone earnest and stoic, not everyone needs to be Tony Snark.
I remember, many years ago, one of the reasons a friend gave for disliking Godzilla 1998 was: "They never stop making jokes, not even when they're in danger." I should have thought of those words as a prophecy.
That annoying quip garbage was always a staple of Roland Emmerich movies. Independence Day included. In fact, it's just Will Smith doing it all the time. Wait. Did Fresh Prince create millennial writing? Every millennial I know was obsessed with that awful show.
@@squirrelsyrup1921yeah all 90s sitcoms have the same iM qUiRkY humor, not just fresh prince Also have ya seen full house? Seinfeld? Cheers? The Brady bunch? Almost every sitcom from the first to the last is just full of “aw jeez I’m such a dork uwu” humor. It’s kinda the point of sitcoms. Just like how hallmark movies are always sickeningly cutsy wutsy. There’s a whole niche of people dedicated to watching those “romance” movies
@@squirrelsyrup1921not just awful but racist. Fresh prince of bell air never had any good or cool white people in it. They’re either bad guys or lame dorks.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Bad writing doesn't have a face. Just saying someone is bad at story writing and comedy when it is their entire job and life is a pretty good insult enough.
It's just lazy writing is what it is. Why bother trying to craft an emotional and memorable moment with depth when you can go halfway and then say "psych" and just go to the next scene?
Taika Waititi is a child who's been given too much freedom with expensive toys. How he's been allowed to make an idiot out of one of the greatest cast Marvel characters ever is absolutely beyond me. He should go back to making goofy student films, that's right up his alley.
I really enjoyed Thor Ragnarok but holy shit Love and Thunder was a huge step backwards. He went from making the best Thor film in the series, to the worst one right after.
@@DamningTooth1 That's because apparently he was being reigned in by serious story bits in Ragnarok which, along with the humour, worked out similarly to what Gunn is so good at doing. But Love & Thunder is all Taika's baby.
I personally blame guardians for it. Up until that point it the marvel humor was there but it was manageable. Then guardians happened, was a shocking success and marvel was never the same
@@splicer0169 ok, yeah, I'll give you that. Gunn's Guardians are funny characters, and it makes sense that some of the superheroes are funny. Tony Stark was always saucy, Peter Parker is an awkward kid and Spider-Man quips are iconic. Guardians kinda started it, the MCU heroes are funny, Deadpool kinda cemented it, superheroes are funny and they break the fourth wall. Maybe Joss Whedon deserves more blame here; Whedon's Justice League and Snyder's Justice Leaugue are like night and day. Snyder's movie still has some humour, but it's not that insufferable Marvel Humour that exists in the Whedon version.
Deadpool is the only character who genuinely makes sense to make those kinds of jokes. He’s that funny and quippy character. Now every superhero character feels like a rehash of Deadpool.
@@therealspeedwagon1451it's eventually going to have a bad effect on dead pool too because people are just gonna get worn out on that type of thing even in areas where the expectation for that has been set.
Not just that, he totally ruined the incredible planet hulk storyline to make that piece of shite overrated monstrosity Thor ragnarok, the good reception of that film was the beginning of the end of smart humor in Hollywood.
@@amalekedomite Isn't it strange. Non Js have to change their name to things like goldberg to get ahead in showbiz. Js seem to need to change their name too. I wonder why? They get ahead just fine.
They're trained on it. That's like saying george martin needs to stop killing characters as a shock factor xd except everyone learned how to write jokes from george martin.
This is why shrek, unironically, a great movie. It blends everything together, from comedy, drama, romance, action, into one goofy ahh animation. But it's so good, it got heart and soul.
This humour has had a huge effect on me though. During my wife's C section I said, "Wow, and she tells me I should open up more." Then, when the doctor handed me my son I quipped, "Looks like he's inherited my love of crying when I come out to the family." Finally, as I was removed from the ward by the medical team I shouted, "I can't wait to have the love of my life back home: Morphine." Bu bum Tiss.
@@DespotofAntrim So this is how it feels to brainstorm a Marvel movie. Despot, I feel strange. I feel a bubbling hatred and contempt for the fans of this channel.
This reminds me of the time I was at my son’s funeral, as I looked down at his 3 foot casket , I glanced at my limited edition Deadpool and wolverine funko pop and quipped, “Save some timber for the rest of us.” I lol’d but I was ejected from the premises and can no longer visit my dead child’s gravestone.
Funny enough, the aliens’ destruction scene from Independence Day still had a bit of appropriate dark humor in the form of David’s boss watching the firewave come toward him and just going “Oh, crap” because he knows he’s screwed.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Agreed. Scary Movie knew how to time jokes specially well, it's a parody of Scream that doesn't shy away from doing comedy with uncomfortable death scenes and the jokes land.
Also Josh weadon. The entire trope of millennial dialog where everyone constantly talks at eachother with references and short quips is weadon speak 101.
You know it's a problem when you're watching Transformers One, Sentinel gets ripped in fucking half in fucking slow motion, and all you can think about is "hey where's the out of place one-liner? There was supposed to be an out of place one-liner!"
@@EclipseHedgehog yeah but that as cool and showed how strong Megs was in that movie but when someone with way more screen time dies and your ment to be sad there shouldn’t be a oneliner
TF One was so fuckin good for this exact reason. They're silly and fun for a time but then it just keeps getting gradually darker and darker and it just does not go back (up until Megatron gets banished and then Bumblebee joked about getting to work for the government but you know what I meant)
I’ve never watched transformers one but either way, the fact that bayformer movies have less meta humor than marvel really shows how the franchise still tops the superhero movies.
It's really become so predictable. You can feel it coming. Like there's a part of your brain waiting for the bad line to come, or the interrupt, or deflation of tension or atmosphere. It's a genuine talent. Disney is so afraid of having a real scene that nobody is fooled anymore and it happens like water going down hill. It shows a complete lack of faith in their writing and actors to carry a scene, so they just avoid having a good scene at all and ruin it with the most base idea to deflate it. A man lost his child to an unforgiving world. Instead of trying to do what the original did. Have Gor be tempted by a creature that tricks him into killing the gods. He simply discovers a god so comically uncaring and aloof that he is laughing with animated flowers. Why make a tense scene where Gor comes to the descision himself that he hates the gods? The cruel trick of finding an oasis right after his daughter dies doesn't cause him to have crisis of faith. Or have evil bring him to this conclusion. No just make the god so comically uncaring that he literally is laughing at Gor. The irony is stuff like this works.... when you don't expect it. When it's not in every movie and most of the scenes. It's why the 'kevin bacon' joke from the first guardians worked. Cause it wasn't something you expected. But in modern disney it's a given. So it's never funny cause you saw it coming a mile away.
It seems the target demographic has changed since the early days of the mcu. And I'm not saying that the fans are what changed. It's been forced upon the movies to a point where it's shifted from being for comic fans, and instead appeals to the brain rot crowd that needs near nonstop noise to stay engaged.
I agree with everything except for your first point. I think this one of few cases where seemingly misplaced humor is actually appropriate. Gorr is hungry, grieving, and desperate. In stark contrast, the god is flippant and condescending, disregarding Gorr’s plight. It’s all a joke to him, which is what shatters Gorr’s illusions about the gods.
@@DespotofAntrim tbh i don't know what you were on about in the beginning. To me the gor intro was the best part of the movie. The jokes aren't meant to be funny they are ment to convey that the gods don't care about their followers seeing them like vermin. What you tried to do was so nonsensical.
Mr Despot sir. I would also like you to know that Mr Reflection of myself is also way wrong. Mr reflection is talking about sega genesis in the 90s in the 80s the Nintendo nes game super tecmo bowl had black athletes in screen along side whites and did a pretty good job or representation. It is worth noting Mr Reflection is wrong and annoying.
Whedon started it, but kept it balanced in Avengers 1, but then went overboard in Age of Ultron. I'd say it's comparable to Thor: Ragnorak because even the villains were doing it. This was back in 2015 before Ragnorak came out. Even when Thor is being beaten up by Ultron, there's no need to worry because even that was treated as a joke. Hulk vs Iron man should've felt urgent, but constant quipping by Tony ruined it. There's maybe like a couple scenes that are actually serious, but that's really it.
Girl: “Oh Jesus FUCK ME HARDER!” Guy: “I’m sorry, I totally respect your right to religious freedom but it’s just very triggering and kind of offensive how you just ASSUMED I wanted you to cry Jesus when I shoved my fist up your ass.”
@@jaykimmerman8608 this reminds me of that one infamous “video” that ends with “oh my God did you just [REDACTED] in your stepsister?” When I think about it, that was the true genesis of marvel humor, only it was actually funny
I wish people who burn 200 mil. dollars and make shit out of great potential get the balls to sit down with the writers and such critics and TALK, so we see wtf was going through their minds.
I have never been able to appreciate Marvel movies because of it even as far back as the first Avengers. I think this is one big reason why the Netflix Marvel shows were such a breath of fresh air at their time and will be timeless.
i've argued with my friends, James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy was the worst thing to happen to Marvel Studios. because the studio suits learned the wildly wrong lesson. "every character has to have a quippy joke."
Naw, Guardians saved the MCU if anything. It was a complete breath of fresh air to a franchise that was starting to operate by rote. It's also one of the most consistent side trilogy in that one person was in total control of it from beginning to end rather than the obvious by committee films we've gotten over the last decade. The fact that the studio learned the wrong lessons from the success of Guardians isn't Gunn's fault. Honestly the blame is Whedon's. He lucked out with the first Avengers, but totally botched it with the second film. Gunn if anything showed how what Whedon was trying to do could work if you knew your characters and had a good screenplay.
Nah, the Guardians movies still hold up (much as I hate to admit it because of how much I loathe and despise James Gunn), and they still have serious moments. That insane Kiwi with kuru was the worst thing to happen to films.
its sad because Chris Hemsworth is VERY body shy and against nudity for the sake of it. He spoke out against it before Love & Thunder. Then they make the movie with a scene of all the women oggling his body because "mmm yes, naked man is sexy." Tell you what feminists, you want equality? Should of then had Tessa get stripped bare and show us her dark moon, too. Or Natalie Portman's pale rump. But no, they just exploit the man because.
@@MrShadowSmith He was overqualified for the character and Marvel didn't know what to do with that. Which is ironic given this entire Cinematic Universe started with overqualified actors embodying the characters so well they changed how people viewed the characters.
This is why Deadpool was such a breath of fresh air. It wasn’t just lame cliche jokes, it was actual funny stuff. Even the “he’s right behind me isn’t he” fit in so well and felt like satire
@@couchman-sw6jy Nice opinion, but there’s just one small problem. Who asked? Like, genuinely, who asked? Who gave YOU the talking stick I’ll tell you, NOBODY did. Nobody asked you. There are zero people who asked among us. Look I invited everyone who asked to this party! AYO group photo of everyone who asked! Hey check it out it’s a bus full of everyone who asked! You know what man, I’ll do you a favor. Clearly, we can’t see who asked, so I’m gonna do it myself. I’m gonna find out who asked! Sailing the seven seas to find out who asked. YOOO I literally found the one piece before I found who asked! I literally climbed to the top Mount Everest and didn’t find who asked! Keep searching boys, we gotta find who asked. I just infiltrated the largest satellite in the world and still can’t locate who asked! I LITERALLY FOUND THE CURE TO CANCER BEFORE I FOUND WHO ASKED! I’m on maximum render distance and still can find who asked! I witnessed the collapse of human society resulting from a global nuclear war and now life in the grave of the broken world ravaged radiation for years on end before I found who asked. I visited EVERY planet in no man’s sky and still didn’t find who asked. Doctor Strange looked through fourteen million different timelines and not in one of them did anyone ask. I literally searched through every backrooms level and didn’t find who asked. I LITERALLY DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN AND GOD HIMSELF DIDNT KNOW WHO ASKED. Leaving earth’s atmosphere to expand the range of our search. I literally found EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE on MARS before I found who asked! I have achieved intergalactic travel before I found who asked. I just found a DYSON SPHERE before I found who asked. I found the edge of the universe before I found who asked. I literally visited every single planet in the entire universe before I found who asked. I am literally witnessing the death of almost every star around me before I found who asked. The light of the earth is slowly fading. I have searched across galaxies leaving no stone unturned, yet I am afraid my time in this universe is finally running out. It’s a shame, really. I’ve witnessed stars being birthed, and those same stars dying. I’ve seen everything there is to see in this beautiful universe. This whole time, I’ve been caught up with such a petty task. Instead of enjoying my time while it lasted, I was distracted by the beauty of it all. I don’t regret what I’ve done though. The question that started it all, who asked, has finally been answered. I’ve searched every nook and cranny in this ENTIRE UNIVERSE. I can confidently say, better than anybody, that truly NOBODY ASKED.
Deadpool is my favorite comic book character of all time. I thought they pretty much nailed the character in the first Deadpool movie. Both the second and third movies however completely fail to make Deadpool special. Every single character is making jokes nonstop the entire movie, when it's supposed to be that everyone is serious while Deadpool is the wacky one. They've made him not special in his own movies now.
i agree with what u said in the video but when you talk about the same joke being repeated over and over again its like 75% of this video is the same skit over and over again and just as overindulgent as the scenes you complain about.
Ironically, Saving Private Ryan does insert humor into battle scenes. They shoot surrendering Czech conscripts and quip, "Look, I washed for supper!", the German propagandist on the loudspeaker is quipped at ("'The Statue is Liberty is kaput.' That's disconcerting."), and the build-up to the final battle consists of two separate scenes of soldiers telling funny stories. Spielberg really was a master at making those things feel grounded and real.
Also in the Two Towers. Before the battle of Helmsdeep, we get Gimli providing some comedic relief, but it still feels appropriate in the moment and doesn't ruin the tone.
Yeah no one ever really mentions that the guys the Americans were facing at Omaha weren't even Germans mostly, they were older men and boys, and foreign troops more or less forced to go fight for the Wehrmacht and posted in places like the Atlantic Wall to free up the prime units for the Eastern Front and as a counterartacking force, which was Germany's primary method of defeating attacks: wait to see where it falls, let the troops in the front line delay it as well as they can, then send a smashing attack into it after they are disorganized and depleted by the advance. So all those men were wiped out by a few terrified old men and teenagers, who were then shot without mercy or burned alive by the men who made it past. Not to blame the soldiers, they didn't know, just it gets old hearing how all the tragic stuff was because of what the bad guys did. US soldiers didn't always cover themselves with glory. Because that's how war is. Also interesting that no one ever mentions the tens of thousands of French citizens killed in bombing raids on occupied cities, both before Normandy and during the heavy bombing leading up to the invasion. A bombing raid was considered very successful if half the bombs fell into a mile wide circle centered on the target, on the assumption that least a few hit the actual target. Thats a whole mile of urban city, and the other half fell wherever outside the circle. And that's a "successful" raid where they aimed and dropped correctly, and that's by the US standard for "precision" bombing. The RAF was content to just hit the right area of the city mostly. All those bombs went into French cities, the areas around the rail yards were leveled before the invasion. And you read about the fighter bombers raiding France and Holland in advance of the attack, they just blasted anything they saw on the road, or anywhere, on the assumption that it was a German military vehicle or train, even individuals. But it seems unlikely to me that every French or Dutch citizen just stayed at home for weeks and the only people going anywhere were soldiers. A lot of those trains were full of citizens, a lot of the vehicles and wagons were just farmers and people transporting goods to the towns. Just weird no one ever talks about it, although they will talk about the German citizens killed when German cities were bombed. There were a lot more of them obviously, but they were at least nominally "bad guys" (even if just because they were born in the wrong place and didn't personally stop Hitler from taking power).
I’ve seen a number of movies where the combat quips aren’t even intended to get a laugh. Like real life gallows humor it’s people trying to cope with a messed up scenario, the jokes in bad taste and doesn’t even make sense, and if done right like in movies such as full metal jacket and generation kill it actually makes the scene even more uncomfortable that it would if you just had a bunch of stoic hardassds.
@@darthdaddy3071 I was thinking about the 'You have to toss me' scene. I think part of why it works is how its played, the joke ends there (no 2 minutes of banter) and the joke's payoff is a really badass moment that propels you right back into the action.
The Joss Whedon effect has been a disaster for storytelling and will echo throughout history as the worst thing to happen to Hollywood since Weinstein, Diddy, and that Mel Gibson rant that got him blackballed.
@@marktyler3381 Oh yeah, Joss Whedon is normally fine. The issue is people trying to ape him and doing it iteratively worse each time. It's like cloning a clone, we're 3 Whedons removed from the original.
@@simon123222Exactly. The first _Avengers_ is a masterclass in how to do humor right. Whedon gave each Avenger a different style of humor that was consistent with their previous characterizations: Iron Man is flippant, Cap is clean and understated, Banner makes dark jokes about the Hulk, and Thor doesn’t joke at all - he’s the butt of jokes about his earnestness and his lack of familiarity with Earth. Most importantly, Black Widow is dead serious for most of the movie, because she’s worried about Hawkeye and well aware that she’s out of her depth compared to Loki and the superpowered Avengers. Whedon knew and respected these characters, and that was why the humor was hardly, if ever, out of place.
Iron man 1 had humor and so did Winter Soldier, just balanced well. Many acting like humor is new for comics related movies, hence the word comic. lol Tony Stark was full of jokes in his serious first movie.
Also great analysis. The 2000s superhero film attempt era went serious as possible and what eased the mainstream public for the 2010s superhero boom. And now has regressed back to 90s cheese, but ACTUALLY not fun to watch. At least Batman and Robin was fun cheese and over the top, almost like it was self-aware it was cringe and had fun with it. The M-She-U humor ACTUALLY thinks it's good or cool, which in turn makes it not fun because they're not in on the joke, they ACTUALLY think they're being cool.
_Batman & Robin_ WAS self-aware. John Glover, who played Dr. Woodrue, has said that Joel Schumacher would tell the cast and crew “Remember, this is a cartoon!” before each take. And I don’t think any movie that crams in that many Arnold puns is trying to be the next _Dark Knight._
Batman and Robin did a fantastic job capturing the campy era of Batman. You could watch that movie and Batman: The Brave and the Bold show, and it almost feels like a companion. I think the problem now is that they're gojng too far to the gritty/grounded side that they've basically removed all of the fun. No room for campiness, even though it's part of the character. In the next adaptation, they'll probably make him even more grounded by removing his grappling hook and making him take th stairs.
@ShadowSonic2 the women were never treated poorly, both the characters and the female audience. The female characters have always been made to be badass. And the female audience has been appeased with several shirt off moments from the guys. So I don't know wtf you're talking about.
Marvel humor was epitomized in the first Avengers, where Hulk just throws Loki around, and these dudes on both sides of me were laughing so hard they were were doing that dainty little "gently patting away the laugh tears" that you see women do when they dont want to mess up their makeup. I genuinely couldnt figure out why I was the only one who didnt think it was the funniest thing that had ever been filmed. It was just sudden and out of place, and a showcase of noticably terrible fucking CGI. It felt like being around children laughing at Paw Patrol, and you laugh back because you dont want the kids to feel bad for laughing
I never thought it was supposed to be a joke, more something satisfying. You have this manipulative psychopath who’s been using others as his tools this entire time, condescending to the Hulk because he’s having a breakdown and clinging to his own inflated ego and sense of superiority, then he gets pulverized. It has the same energy as watching a little asshole harass a bigger guy, slapping his hat off his head and trying to steal his things, only to get laid out by a single punch when the big guy finally retaliates.
Listening to Despot’s MCU humour examples made me want to relocate my head several kilometres away from my torso with the assistance of a freight train. That’s all to say GREAT JOB WITH THE SCRIPT!
To be fair to Love and Thunder, the god cracking jokes and being indifferent to his plight COULD have worked as a breaking point to start the god slaughtering. But still worse than what was originally done with a god dearing to beg him for help being the breaking point.
Yeah I actually liked that, how the god didn't care at all about the mortal's suffering and even mocked it with his celestial peers. The original one sounds better though.
@@brandonscott9747is this scene not supposed to be awkward? His worldview is shattered and he is left there being ridiculed. The tone is reflective of him being left to both mourn his daughter and to face the reality that his god doesn’t actually care.
They massively over-egged the pudding with this. The Winter Soldier was one of the best films I've ever seen, more of a thriller than a super-hero movie. They blended the action and intrigue with a tiny amount of humor perfectly.. now, its just absolutely shocking. Like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air mixed with Shaolin Soccer! 😂😂
Nah, Winter Soldier and early MCU were genuinely good movies and knew when to be serious vs humorous. Now it's so humorous that the heavier moments are severely undercut
The Winter Soldier also dropped some major red pills (altho with hollyweird, red pill droppage is really just a victory lap-confession because they've already won), such as *a certain group of coincidental people* really being in control of all of politics and media since the end of WW2 (remember at the beginning of Avengers when Steve says something like "when they woke me up, they told me we won, but they didn't tell me what we lost?), population control algorithms, MK Ultra, etc.
boba fett surviving and escaping the sarlacc pitt vastly predates the current trend of 'somehow palpatine returned', and i take objection to classifying it under that disgusting heading.
Even though I've always hated Bat-Bale, I have to admit that he does throw himself 100% into his roles. Gorr was a religious devotee who lost everything and then lost his mind, and Christian Bale sells it.
A couple humorous gags in guardians of the Galaxy volume two actually had me rolling. The first was when Drax was giving Starlord advice, and he was sounding all wise until he mentioned his nethers; like, where did that come from? 😂 And then later on, Drax told him about his father telling the children about making it with his mom!😂🤣”It was beautiful!”😂😂 those were actually pretty funny!
The thing with Thor Love and Thunder. The director did everything in his power to make the movie suck to comic and veteran MCU fans. It's not incompetence. It's by design and that IMHO makes it worse.
Overindulgence as well. He knew he had FAR more free reign than pretty much every other Director in the MCU's employ (Besides maybe the Russo brothers), because he managed to hit a homerun with Ragnarok (Which, in retrospect benefited from what WAS considered the worst MCU film before it in Thor: The Dark World, and because the film actually showed us a full-powered and proper King of Asgard Thor which would pay off even better in Infinity War only to be terribly wrecked in Endgame for jokes.). And what did he do with that liberty? He made a 4+ hour film the entire crew reportedly enjoyed making . . . but was a monster to edit into any cohesive narrative because you were cutting the movie AT LEAST in half. The result: Massive tone dysfunction, Thor set right back into the same holding pattern his character ALMOST got out of at the end of Ragnarok and Infinity War, a total waste of a great villain concept with Gorr and Bale's performance, and the cinematic equivalent of the Director beating off on camera.
@@GideonRavenor712 People have actually forgotten that Bale was a villain in the movie. When you talk about Thor Love and Thunder I have rarely seen people talk about Christian Bale. That's how much the movie wasted his talent.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp They Made Thor a Joke from the word Jump. the first two movies tried to have serious pay-offs for him, but they were not good movies. They made him the butt of Jokes through out the MCU, he got some good moments occasionally, but that was it. This partly stems from Hemsworth who seems to want to be a comedian more than a serious actor from all the things I've seen him in, which I admit hasn't been much. And if the MCU wasn't building up to Infinity Gauntlet, they could have done a bunch of solo movies for Thor that could have covered his best era, the first one covering his super hero Origin, the next three covering The Ragnarok storyline with the Cask of Ancient Winters, the Dark Elves, and Finally the big pay-off with Surtur. But no, they pissed that up a tree
@daishikaze3986 No, having him be a fish out of water doesn't make the entire things comedies. The first movie was the most serious one because it was very Shakespearean. Lots of conflict with his family, and with himself. The 2nd movie failed because they had no clue what to do with him. They should've embraced the fantasy world more. And the 3rd movie was definitely a poor adaptation of the Ragnorak story, but it did leave him in a good place to build up. Infinity War built him up. Endgame broke the character beyond repair. They completely obliterated Thor and everything that they had previously set up, and then Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
Okay, I know your jokes were meant to illustrate inappropriately timed humor as a bad thing but I gotta say the Titanic and Star Wars scenes were indeed hilarious. Generic Movie TH-camr was terrifying though.
The star wars meme could absolutely have worked if they just made the battle scene longer and put in something that sectioned off the funny bit from the death star blowing up.
@@brandonhelcher3691except he said "cross the Titanic with the Atlantic" which triggered my inner obsessive-compulsive. It doesn't work when you say it that way. And I can't see any real reason to change that intentionally.
I hated the ending. "killing bad, never kill, there is no difference between murdering children and killing the guy who murdered children, all bad, all equal" So fucking sick of that Sodom-tier trope. No, if Batman killed Joker, that wouldn't make him JUST AS BAD, that'd make him ten million times BETTER.
2:39 is it incompetence due to writing by committee where everyone needs to have a say or is it a lack of confidence? Perhaps lack of confidence, talent and a writing committee all together creates these abominations. Seriousness is not allowed when millennials write. They always has to throw in a "oh THAT just happened hurr durr!".
The return of Mr. Reflection using subject matter covered in the video shows greater planning between seemingly separate videos than the explicit sequential saga extension of the sequel trilogy. You achieve so much in one go that must be commended, outclassing the things you critique by example.
@@KTK44I do think The Batman is too far in the gritty/grounded direction. They removed all the fun of the character, and even his villain the Riddler. It really limits the character and his world. I just found it boring. To me it just felt like he was trying to outdo Nolan and Snyder. Almost like an amalgamation of both. I don't want full on campy or full on gritty, but a nice balance.
imagine making this unfunny overused hackneyed dogshit joke in the comment section of this exact video without any apparent irony. presumably while thinking “heh heh this would play well on the reddit with the updoots edit rip my inbox I also choose this guys dead wife eh heheh heh heh”
The God Butcher comic was amazing, dark, and absolutely worth reading. It had Thor from 3 time periods, distant past, present, and far future, working together, to defeat Gor, a truly terrifying, and nearly invincible villain.Jane and Valkyrie were not in the story, at all, and neither were The Guardians. The adaptation in Love and Thunder was a complete sacrilegious travesty. Taika, or whatever the hell his name is, deserves a shot, below the belt, from Stormbreaker, or Mjolnir, with Thor’s full strength behind it.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowdude fr, they could've at least had the rebellion against the Red King/Grnadmaster be the reason they get off the planet. At least include a bit more from that storyline.
I am tired of the marvel humour too, but the humour in this video is also not great. It's kind of ironic being told how the humour sucks in big budget films then proceeds to have long winded jokes and skits land flat. I understand some of it is in the taste or irony but I also feel a genuine attempt at humour is there. I like the commentary as there are a lot of good points but when the American accent comes out multiple times for those skits I'm left rolling my eyes tbh.
I don't even watch Marvel movies and never watched Buffy (he wrote for that show), not my cup of tea. Yet I still see the "Whedonesque dialogue" effect on other pieces of media. It even started to invade woman focused literature and adjacent media (visual novels/webcomics). The amount of snarky, non-serious and "har har making references to real life pop-culture media and memes(US focused) that the reader may know of" heroines that cropped up over the last 7 years are exhausting. I want to stuff them all into a shredder. Doesn't even matter if a character like that has a minor role in a story, they deflate any tension the story has and are fourth wall breaking. They are like some really shitty isekai character that gets thrown in there for yucks without the author's knowledge despite writing this very character.
The problem with imitation is that it's not genuine, it think the Avengers is a very good amd well written story I think the humor is perfect, but when people try to copy it... it just feels fake and forced. I can tell when someone isn't writing with their own genuine style.
I don't know what happened to that guy... he is fully capable of well timed good jokes and dramatic and high tension scenes and proper payoffs within the same movie. firefly is still one of my favorite movies. I'd recommend he goes back and watches it
@@omalleycaboose5937the first Avengers had a balnce between the humorous moments and serious moments, but Avengers 2 they let the director off the leash. The quipping was so bad that even all the villains were doing it.
The ultimate example of marvel humour was the ironman vs hulk fight. It would have been a great moment where Stark is genuinely terrified to fight an out of control Hulk, the tension could build until Stark realises he's going to win THEN he makes a joke. Or if he just left in the 'go to sleep' joke and the rest was him thinking on his feet and frantically trying to get the hulk out of the city while protecting people. instead Stark was treating the experience like it was a mild inconvenience and it made the whole scene pointless
Really? I found it to be great. Tony’s basically frozen in wide-eyed panic. In every other scene he has a wide range of emotions, but here he’s totally blank and monotone, essentially showing that when he can’t deflect with humor - and he has no audience to deflect - he loses something of himself.
@@Vherstinae blank and monotone?! He expresses plenty of emotion when he's mouthing off. The constant jokes removed theweight from the scene and with it, the emotional payoff.
Thor: Love and Thunder is the MCU equivalent of Cars 2 or Planet Sheen. Marvel and Disney made two rookie mistakes: they gave the director no direction and made the comic relief the main star. Korg is now the textbook example of milking a joke. He’s completely overstayed his welcome and is a sign of how making Thor a jokey character was a bad move.
31:53 That line was so bad, I wrote a bunch of different alternate lines they could have gone with instead! These are my Top 5. "Did you really think you could kill me that easily?" "Not even death is going to be enough to stop me from defeating you!" "Ready for Round 2, Witch?" "Did you think your actions wouldn't come back to haunt you!?" "You didn't think I was going to stay dead, did you?"
Spot on, Despot. Some humor is good, but endless comedy using quirky personalities without substantial character conflict and a solid plot underlying the comedy does not work.
The best humor is derived from the very situations the characters find themselves in and their genuine reactions to them, not from jokes you tell your friends while sucking down fried mozz sticks at [big chain goyslop restaurant]. The best example I can think of: "There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that." That sounds EXACTLY like something Steve Rogers in that situation would say without even thinking about it or trying to be clever, and the situation still has me thinking about it 12 years later.
I was actually laughing at the Titanic stand up bit. _"That to do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."_ LOOOOOL! Never heard that one, that's really good one lol.
That MoM joke is not the worst joke in the movie. "Heydaguy Heydathere" is the worst joke in the movie. It's a completely and thoroughly nonfunctional joke on so many levels
I don't mind the fourth-wall breaking in Deadpool movies. It's legitimately done as well is it ever can be, and it's MILES ahead of all the times Deadpool has appeared in more kid-friendly media like video games and cartoons. But everywhere else, it gets tiresome, and fast. It happened because it was Whedon's signature style, and it worked in Avengers for the exact same reason. Once we were dealing with people trying ot copy Whedon as "the Marvel style," it became insufferable probably 9/10 times. Your full-circle comment is spot-on.
Deadpool was never good/funny. Comedic fourth wall breaking is always cringe unless it's done very subtly; either way they're the laziest jokes possible.
The first movie still had a lot of serious moments. Then they basically just did the same joke, but more in the sequels. I've honestly just had my fill of Deadpool. Can we get back to actual serious superhero films again?
When Capt in Avengers 1 said "There's only one God ma'me and Im pretty sure he doesnt dress like that" That was one of the greatest lines in MCU. The threat is very serious but there is enough room to play but even the joke is still a reaffirmation of our beliefs so we take it seriously. That moment doesnt lose any intensity even with Iron man's "I have a plan, attack" and then Capt dives out of the plane. Dope
It's a joke for the audience, but it was just a serious matter of fact statement for Steve. THAT'S great humor. When it's derived from the internal constistencies of the characters and the situations they're in, THAT is when humor is great.
Marvel's humour:
A character with wierd name exists
The other characters: That's your name?!😂😂😂
I wouldn’t say that this is bad - I sometimes missed similar questions in other media, when the characters are often not surprised by what they see and hear. BUT - Marvel partly abuses such jokes, which is why their humor has become a household word - in a bad way. It’s just that after Endgames, all the existing problems began to worsen, because the franchise began to feel pointless and a parody of itself. I mean, let's be honest - Loki and Agatha All Along do not look like a Marvel series, but rather like a random series that feature Marvel characters. This enhances the feeling that the viewer is watching a parody, and a bad one at that.
@ahoramazda6864 I agree with you, it used to get a chuckle out of me but now like you said they have used it to the point where it's about as funny as an amy Schummer special
Video idea: Make not overusing emojis cool again. I remember when the internet was just variations of this: :)
So it's like a White country boy meeting an inner city black girl?
"Haha, nice one. But seriously, what's your real name?"
'I did a thing' humor needs to die.
By fire.
People who say “tiny hoomans” instead of “children”
@BlueBones8 soy boy Reddit humor in both cases
@@jimjohnson6944millennial humor
Yup millennial humor shit is fuckin sad and cringe
Alien emerges from Kane's chest. Ripley looks at camera, "Well that just happened..."
*insert Seinfeld theme*
And later on:
“He’s behind me, isn’t he?”
"Well, that was awkward"
I guess HE don't like the cornbread either.
Flocking Tuesdays, am I right?
“They fly now” is the worst dialog I have ever heard in a big budget action movie. You just know the writer thought it was brilliant comedy. Not only is it unfunny, it makes no sense that they wouldn’t already know that.
I also took it as a wink and a nod from the writers that they KNOW the movie they’re writing is trash. It’s like they’re acknowledging the fact that the movie is doing something stupid, with no precedent in the story world, for no other reason than somebody thought it would be cool. So they basically write the audience’s reaction into the characters mouth-Huh? They fly now?-partly as your typical meta joke, but also partly as a defense mechanism, where they think if they acknowledge their own bad writing first, then that shields them from other people pointing it out and criticizing it. That’s become a very common strategy with modern trash movies.
"I've bypassed the compressor :D" is a strong second imo
@@therainman7777
That's called lampshade hanging. But just like with soyboys, being self-aware your writing is trash doesn't make it any less trash. If anything, it's worse cause it means you're lazy and refuse to improve.
@@G.McAllen That was really bad as well. They had to shove it in there so she could girl boss in front of the man that had been operating the Millennium Falcon for years. Mary Sue, indeed.
It’s so immersion breaking and makes me feel like it’s somehow supposed to substitute the actual writing. It’s gives off the impression that even the writers themselves don’t care about what they are writing and feel forced to make it (in their minds anyways) painfully “bearable” by inserting this trash everywhere. It makes we want to puke. The thought of going to a movie theater to devour an entire gallon of coke and popcorn only too…🤢😭
Race-swapping a character is an insult to both races. "Whitey - you're out - yesterday's news! Black guy - literally put on the used, hand-me-down outfit that white guy hands you!"
Raceswapping is often just Hollywoods way of basically saying
"We're not hiring Black People to direct their own movies and stories, so here's a race swapped version of a beloved character to make you guys shut up."
Exactly
People don't see the hypoceisy and double standard unfortunately. It's disrespectful to both races and dumbs everything down to their skin color being their only characteristic. Barely any character complexity anymore
And how it’s pushed to black folks like it’s a good thing. “See? We let you have something a white person had. You should celebrate,”
/s
As if... a white man wouldn't be able to 'hand' it to the black guy... it's transported from the white dressing room to the colored dressing room...
Again, just in case you missed the first one /s
Marvel "humor" is at the point where the very INSTANT something serious happens (or is about to happen) onscreen, you can practically hear the 10 second countdown timer before we get a "LOL Joke" moment. (i like to play the 'Jeopardy' theme in my head while this is happening).
It's the Countdown theme for me (British quiz show).
It's the Joss Whedon effect. It was OK in Buffy, then it caught on and everyone uses it wrong now. Buffy undercut tension at times, but never completely destroyed it or had characters talking out of character for the sake of a clever quip.
@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDayIt was fine in the first Avengers movie, because they put Whedon on a leash. They balanced the comedy and serious moments so it still felt impactful. Then they completely let him off the leash in Avengers 2. It was so bad that even the villains were quipping.
*tragic death occurs*
*10 seconds pass*
"Well that just happened!"
"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire countdown song" for those special moments
I think the only joke that aged well was the one from Dr. Strange.
"How long have you been at Kamartaj Mr..."
"Doctor."
"Mr. Doctor?"
"It's Strange."
"Maybe, who am I to judge?"
That joke still makes me laugh, but the rest of them just make me groan now.
true. i can remember almost nothing of that movie but i remember that one scene getting a chuckle out of me
To be fair, Mads Mikkelsen is way too good for that movie.
@enfant00x yeah i agree
Do adults really watch these films?
@@philliusphoggwick8299 At one point, yes. Now children probably are the only ones who would like these films
I feel like Marvel humor is like Looney Tunes humor, but devoid of any charm or timing. I hate it with all my heart.
at least looney tunes was funny
how DARE you slander Looney Tunes humour like that!
Me too especially the twerk scnece from she hulk had absolutely no class or timing at all
@@cellariusmack2595 Because constant slapstick doesn't get old.
@@MitchTaylor-x8c Whenever I heard about this scene I always wonder if it actually happened, kinda like all of those morbius jokes. I'm not gonna watch either to find out tho
Its the fact _every single character_ has to be a comedian, probably explains why i dislike MCU Spiderman cause he no longer feels like rhe jokester hero now 😂
As a nationalist who thinks miscegenation should be a capital crime, even I liked the Home movies, outside of the tail end of No Way.
@@BoozyBeggarWhy should that be a crime my friend?
So much so that he’s not even funny…what a sin
@@BoozyBeggarwhyd u say that and not race mixing lol
This should be spoken about more I believe. It feels like no characters are serious anymore especially the character who have the fates of their worlds on the line
The biggest issue for me is that 'Marvel Humour' isn't meant to be appreciated, it's meant to be consumed. You hear it once, laugh and move on. I laughed at the jokes when I heard them the first time but when I go back and rewatch, I'm just disappointed that what could be phenomenal scenes are about to be interrupted by a joke I've heard before.
thats lame
"Well that just happened. He's right behind me, isn't he? Guys, a little help here!"
None of that. Have someone earnest and stoic, not everyone needs to be Tony Snark.
Oneyplays has a lot of good bits about millennial humor
@@TheThreatenedSwan I love watching highlights of oneyplays tearing forspoken apart, for that exact reason
@@gs4011The best part was when the Oney dudes were pretty much predicting the next line of dialogue by how bad it was.
"ermmmm, awkwaaaard" 🤓
N-nice kitty
I remember, many years ago, one of the reasons a friend gave for disliking Godzilla 1998 was: "They never stop making jokes, not even when they're in danger." I should have thought of those words as a prophecy.
If you think of it as an original kaiju movie instead of a Godzilla one, it can actually be a lot of dumb fun.
That annoying quip garbage was always a staple of Roland Emmerich movies. Independence Day included. In fact, it's just Will Smith doing it all the time. Wait. Did Fresh Prince create millennial writing? Every millennial I know was obsessed with that awful show.
@@squirrelsyrup1921What made Fresh Prince awful? It was another sitcom from the 90s, of course it was gonna have comedy in it.
@@squirrelsyrup1921yeah all 90s sitcoms have the same iM qUiRkY humor, not just fresh prince
Also have ya seen full house? Seinfeld? Cheers? The Brady bunch? Almost every sitcom from the first to the last is just full of “aw jeez I’m such a dork uwu” humor. It’s kinda the point of sitcoms. Just like how hallmark movies are always sickeningly cutsy wutsy. There’s a whole niche of people dedicated to watching those “romance” movies
@@squirrelsyrup1921not just awful but racist. Fresh prince of bell air never had any good or cool white people in it. They’re either bad guys or lame dorks.
It's humor written for 20-year-olds by 30-year-olds with a midlife crisis.
Or single 40 year old cat ladiess chugging box wine.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Bad writing doesn't have a face. Just saying someone is bad at story writing and comedy when it is their entire job and life is a pretty good insult enough.
@@TheFrenchmanCooks PRoblem is that often that's exactly what the people writing most of the garbage today look like.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105Jessica Gao.
It's just lazy writing is what it is. Why bother trying to craft an emotional and memorable moment with depth when you can go halfway and then say "psych" and just go to the next scene?
Taika Waititi is a child who's been given too much freedom with expensive toys. How he's been allowed to make an idiot out of one of the greatest cast Marvel characters ever is absolutely beyond me. He should go back to making goofy student films, that's right up his alley.
a half maori and french dad and a jewish mother. the worst combination ever
a half maori and french dad and a jewish mother. the worst combination ever
I really enjoyed Thor Ragnarok but holy shit Love and Thunder was a huge step backwards. He went from making the best Thor film in the series, to the worst one right after.
@@DamningTooth1 That's because apparently he was being reigned in by serious story bits in Ragnarok which, along with the humour, worked out similarly to what Gunn is so good at doing. But Love & Thunder is all Taika's baby.
jojo rabbit was so fire idk how he dropped the ball on love and thunder so hard
AI Generic TH-camr is terrifying.
What does that mean?
@@A7xeno it means you didn't watch the entire video, i feel
i fucking died, it was spot on
I blame the success of Deadpool for this idea that every superhero needs to radiate cheeky humour. The Rick and Morty writers didn't help
I personally blame guardians for it. Up until that point it the marvel humor was there but it was manageable. Then guardians happened, was a shocking success and marvel was never the same
@@splicer0169 ok, yeah, I'll give you that. Gunn's Guardians are funny characters, and it makes sense that some of the superheroes are funny. Tony Stark was always saucy, Peter Parker is an awkward kid and Spider-Man quips are iconic. Guardians kinda started it, the MCU heroes are funny, Deadpool kinda cemented it, superheroes are funny and they break the fourth wall. Maybe Joss Whedon deserves more blame here; Whedon's Justice League and Snyder's Justice Leaugue are like night and day. Snyder's movie still has some humour, but it's not that insufferable Marvel Humour that exists in the Whedon version.
Deadpool is the only character who genuinely makes sense to make those kinds of jokes. He’s that funny and quippy character. Now every superhero character feels like a rehash of Deadpool.
@@therealspeedwagon1451it's eventually going to have a bad effect on dead pool too because people are just gonna get worn out on that type of thing even in areas where the expectation for that has been set.
I blame iron man
Charges should be brought against Taika Waititi for the character assassination of Thor. It's been painful to watch.
I'm down, but only if we get whoever screwed up the hulk next!
yeah, they completely reversed him to a state worse than Thor 1
Not just that, he totally ruined the incredible planet hulk storyline to make that piece of shite overrated monstrosity Thor ragnarok, the good reception of that film was the beginning of the end of smart humor in Hollywood.
Call him by his real name: Taika David Cohen.
@@amalekedomite Isn't it strange. Non Js have to change their name to things like goldberg to get ahead in showbiz.
Js seem to need to change their name too. I wonder why? They get ahead just fine.
This type of humor stopped working 15 years ago, but they can't stop using it.
Oh they can, easily... they just WON'T.
It never worked
Well it worked again with Deadpool 3 its how fan brain works
They're trained on it. That's like saying george martin needs to stop killing characters as a shock factor xd except everyone learned how to write jokes from george martin.
That humor didn't even really exist 15 years ago tho, all we had was iron man and hulk in 2009
This is why shrek, unironically, a great movie.
It blends everything together, from comedy, drama, romance, action, into one goofy ahh animation.
But it's so good, it got heart and soul.
I genuinely lost my shit when you made the trash can say "well that just happened" at the end of that segment
This humour has had a huge effect on me though. During my wife's C section I said, "Wow, and she tells me I should open up more." Then, when the doctor handed me my son I quipped, "Looks like he's inherited my love of crying when I come out to the family." Finally, as I was removed from the ward by the medical team I shouted, "I can't wait to have the love of my life back home: Morphine." Bu bum Tiss.
Doctor: I think he's coming!
Mother in labour: You should have told me that 9 months ago, then I wouldn't be in this mess!
@@DespotofAntrim So this is how it feels to brainstorm a Marvel movie. Despot, I feel strange. I feel a bubbling hatred and contempt for the fans of this channel.
I both love and hate the pair of you!
im gunna use that morphine one
I bet that's how Joss Whedon's children were born
This reminds me of the time I was at my son’s funeral, as I looked down at his 3 foot casket , I glanced at my limited edition Deadpool and wolverine funko pop and quipped, “Save some timber for the rest of us.” I lol’d but I was ejected from the premises and can no longer visit my dead child’s gravestone.
Wow. Too much man...
Thank you, Ayatollah Khamenei
That doesn't even make sense. If his casket was bigger than normal, that would be a good joke. Good effort, though.
@@DR-sv8ke could replace the son with Kobe.
@@judyhopps9380 his casket would be bigger than normal, good job.
B-b-but market analysis claims that quips every 3 minutes is instant reddit gold!
....But the chart says!
I think I have to fart!!!
You want I should show 'em the chart?
Noticia de última hora: a nadie le importa Reddit.
ITS SO HECCIN WHOLESOME REDDIT CHUNGUS POGGERS 100
Marvel/Millenial humour is like corporate mandatory fun.
Funny enough, the aliens’ destruction scene from Independence Day still had a bit of appropriate dark humor in the form of David’s boss watching the firewave come toward him and just going “Oh, crap” because he knows he’s screwed.
This whole video made me come to realisation. This style of humor comes from the parody movies of the early 2000s. Thats the origin.
Amd even then, it's not nearly as well written
Nah it was shitty 90s shows. Xena, Hercules, Buffy. My genx mom loved that lame shit
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Agreed. Scary Movie knew how to time jokes specially well, it's a parody of Scream that doesn't shy away from doing comedy with uncomfortable death scenes and the jokes land.
Also Josh weadon. The entire trope of millennial dialog where everyone constantly talks at eachother with references and short quips is weadon speak 101.
That was Thor Ragnarok. 'Not another marvel movie'
You know it's a problem when you're watching Transformers One, Sentinel gets ripped in fucking half in fucking slow motion, and all you can think about is "hey where's the out of place one-liner? There was supposed to be an out of place one-liner!"
sheesh even megs said one in he 2007 movie when ripping jazz in half, sounds like tf one has a spine (no pun intended)
@@EclipseHedgehog yeah but that as cool and showed how strong Megs was in that movie but when someone with way more screen time dies and your ment to be sad there shouldn’t be a oneliner
TF One was so fuckin good for this exact reason. They're silly and fun for a time but then it just keeps getting gradually darker and darker and it just does not go back (up until Megatron gets banished and then Bumblebee joked about getting to work for the government but you know what I meant)
I’ve never watched transformers one but either way, the fact that bayformer movies have less meta humor than marvel really shows how the franchise still tops the superhero movies.
@@usagamer4055it helps that everybody else was scared of Megatron in those scenes, he has the confidence to joke but they don't.
that "icy dead people" joke was an ABSOLUTE BANGER
Yeah it was, and I thought the “what do you get when you cross the Atlantic Ocean with the Titanic” was even better. This man is a genius.
It's really become so predictable. You can feel it coming. Like there's a part of your brain waiting for the bad line to come, or the interrupt, or deflation of tension or atmosphere. It's a genuine talent. Disney is so afraid of having a real scene that nobody is fooled anymore and it happens like water going down hill. It shows a complete lack of faith in their writing and actors to carry a scene, so they just avoid having a good scene at all and ruin it with the most base idea to deflate it.
A man lost his child to an unforgiving world. Instead of trying to do what the original did. Have Gor be tempted by a creature that tricks him into killing the gods. He simply discovers a god so comically uncaring and aloof that he is laughing with animated flowers.
Why make a tense scene where Gor comes to the descision himself that he hates the gods? The cruel trick of finding an oasis right after his daughter dies doesn't cause him to have crisis of faith. Or have evil bring him to this conclusion. No just make the god so comically uncaring that he literally is laughing at Gor.
The irony is stuff like this works.... when you don't expect it. When it's not in every movie and most of the scenes. It's why the 'kevin bacon' joke from the first guardians worked. Cause it wasn't something you expected. But in modern disney it's a given. So it's never funny cause you saw it coming a mile away.
It seems the target demographic has changed since the early days of the mcu. And I'm not saying that the fans are what changed. It's been forced upon the movies to a point where it's shifted from being for comic fans, and instead appeals to the brain rot crowd that needs near nonstop noise to stay engaged.
I agree with everything except for your first point. I think this one of few cases where seemingly misplaced humor is actually appropriate. Gorr is hungry, grieving, and desperate. In stark contrast, the god is flippant and condescending, disregarding Gorr’s plight. It’s all a joke to him, which is what shatters Gorr’s illusions about the gods.
There's a million and one examples he could've used about inappropriate humor and then he picks the one scene where it works
Despot, you need to write and direct the modern equivalent o Space Balls.
A bit more practice with AI animation and I might give it a shot and release it on TH-cam.
Space Where My Balls Used To Be
@@DespotofAntrimid watch it
@@DespotofAntrim tbh i don't know what you were on about in the beginning. To me the gor intro was the best part of the movie. The jokes aren't meant to be funny they are ment to convey that the gods don't care about their followers seeing them like vermin. What you tried to do was so nonsensical.
@@spacengunsyou have a sub 80 IQ if you thought any of that was thematically intelligent - let alone funny in any way.
I’m pleased that somehow Mr. Reflection returned, he’s worth the powers known only to the Sith. As always wonderful video by our Despot Supreme.
It was magical.
Mr Reflection deserves Oscar nomination for being Reflection of himself reflected in games for being Black and Gay.
Mr Despot sir. I would also like you to know that Mr Reflection of myself is also way wrong. Mr reflection is talking about sega genesis in the 90s in the 80s the Nintendo nes game super tecmo bowl had black athletes in screen along side whites and did a pretty good job or representation. It is worth noting Mr Reflection is wrong and annoying.
Mirror mirror on the wall.
- Adûnâi
Can he fly now?!
Joss Whedon started it. But Tactless Whytitty perfected it. Thor Ragnarok was when Marvel humor trully metastasized.
And people praised this trash movie back then. Now, after criticizing Marvel became socially acceptable, they trashed Love and Thunder.
Funny piece of trivia about tinywatitty... He is infact jewish. His real name is "Taika David Cohen"
The more you know.
Tourists. He ruined the World breaker Hulk. I hope he gets herpes. Ragnarok drove me up a wall.
Whedon started it, but kept it balanced in Avengers 1, but then went overboard in Age of Ultron. I'd say it's comparable to Thor: Ragnorak because even the villains were doing it. This was back in 2015 before Ragnorak came out. Even when Thor is being beaten up by Ultron, there's no need to worry because even that was treated as a joke. Hulk vs Iron man should've felt urgent, but constant quipping by Tony ruined it. There's maybe like a couple scenes that are actually serious, but that's really it.
@@amadeusagripino6862 People treating Ragnarok as a great film shouldn't be allowed to talk about movies ever again.
You have no idea how happy I'm to see Mr. Reflection return, he is an instrumental part of this channel.
this is THE youtube channel for me. absolutely incredible critisism? Cruelty squad? Good skits? examples? thank you for EXISTING
You're welcome. Welcome to the channel!
If Marvel humor was used in a corn movie:
Girl: He's behind me, isn't he?
Corn movie you mean porn
Girl: “Oh Jesus FUCK ME HARDER!”
Guy: “I’m sorry, I totally respect your right to religious freedom but it’s just very triggering and kind of offensive how you just ASSUMED I wanted you to cry Jesus when I shoved my fist up your ass.”
“It’s inside me, isn’t it?”
@ a big corn
@@jaykimmerman8608 this reminds me of that one infamous “video” that ends with “oh my God did you just [REDACTED] in your stepsister?” When I think about it, that was the true genesis of marvel humor, only it was actually funny
This is probably the best encapsulation of the problems with modern day, humor, and movie making
Fantastic job !
Thanks for the tip skeptic. Much appreciated!
Taika Waititi is so insufferable
Always has been
A racial supremacist who thinks his people, the Maoris, are da sh1t.
He made good small films in the past, before the hollywood crap.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp No, he definitely wasn't he used to be genuinely talented
I wish people who burn 200 mil. dollars and make shit out of great potential get the balls to sit down with the writers and such critics and TALK, so we see wtf was going through their minds.
I have never been able to appreciate Marvel movies because of it even as far back as the first Avengers. I think this is one big reason why the Netflix Marvel shows were such a breath of fresh air at their time and will be timeless.
5:27 Ok, but that titanic joke was really good lmao
i've argued with my friends, James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy was the worst thing to happen to Marvel Studios.
because the studio suits learned the wildly wrong lesson. "every character has to have a quippy joke."
He better not shove that into superman movie next year.
Naw, Guardians saved the MCU if anything. It was a complete breath of fresh air to a franchise that was starting to operate by rote. It's also one of the most consistent side trilogy in that one person was in total control of it from beginning to end rather than the obvious by committee films we've gotten over the last decade. The fact that the studio learned the wrong lessons from the success of Guardians isn't Gunn's fault.
Honestly the blame is Whedon's. He lucked out with the first Avengers, but totally botched it with the second film. Gunn if anything showed how what Whedon was trying to do could work if you knew your characters and had a good screenplay.
Nah it sucked from the beginning
Oddly enough, it's still one of the best trilogy in the brand
Nah, the Guardians movies still hold up (much as I hate to admit it because of how much I loathe and despise James Gunn), and they still have serious moments. That insane Kiwi with kuru was the worst thing to happen to films.
Somehow, Mr. Reflection returned!
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death my die.
It’s like my grandmother told me: if Cleopatra can be black, then why can’t Mr. Reflection be immortal?
Hot take: Did Mr. Reflection make clones of himself to see more reflections of himself to reflect back at himself?
@@DragonEclipseX7 Wait he's cooking
He was obviously somehowpalpatinereturned
No Marvel movie can top the tonal disconnect of Thor: Love & Thunder. It just can’t be done.
My question is this; why is a spiteful kiwi being allowed to tell Norse stories..?
its sad because Chris Hemsworth is VERY body shy and against nudity for the sake of it. He spoke out against it before Love & Thunder. Then they make the movie with a scene of all the women oggling his body because "mmm yes, naked man is sexy."
Tell you what feminists, you want equality? Should of then had Tessa get stripped bare and show us her dark moon, too. Or Natalie Portman's pale rump.
But no, they just exploit the man because.
Yet.
Fr the difference between Christian bale's performance and the rest of the movie was like Oppenheimer and barbie
@@MrShadowSmith He was overqualified for the character and Marvel didn't know what to do with that. Which is ironic given this entire Cinematic Universe started with overqualified actors embodying the characters so well they changed how people viewed the characters.
This is why Deadpool was such a breath of fresh air. It wasn’t just lame cliche jokes, it was actual funny stuff. Even the “he’s right behind me isn’t he” fit in so well and felt like satire
No, Deadpool was especially not funny
@@couchman-sw6jyfunny than most marvel movies, but the movies are for the teenagers anyways
@@couchman-sw6jy Nice opinion, but there’s just one small problem. Who asked? Like, genuinely, who asked? Who gave YOU the talking stick I’ll tell you, NOBODY did. Nobody asked you. There are zero people who asked among us. Look I invited everyone who asked to this party! AYO group photo of everyone who asked! Hey check it out it’s a bus full of everyone who asked! You know what man, I’ll do you a favor. Clearly, we can’t see who asked, so I’m gonna do it myself. I’m gonna find out who asked! Sailing the seven seas to find out who asked. YOOO I literally found the one piece before I found who asked! I literally climbed to the top Mount Everest and didn’t find who asked! Keep searching boys, we gotta find who asked. I just infiltrated the largest satellite in the world and still can’t locate who asked! I LITERALLY FOUND THE CURE TO CANCER BEFORE I FOUND WHO ASKED! I’m on maximum render distance and still can find who asked! I witnessed the collapse of human society resulting from a global nuclear war and now life in the grave of the broken world ravaged radiation for years on end before I found who asked. I visited EVERY planet in no man’s sky and still didn’t find who asked. Doctor Strange looked through fourteen million different timelines and not in one of them did anyone ask. I literally searched through every backrooms level and didn’t find who asked. I LITERALLY DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN AND GOD HIMSELF DIDNT KNOW WHO ASKED. Leaving earth’s atmosphere to expand the range of our search. I literally found EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE on MARS before I found who asked! I have achieved intergalactic travel before I found who asked. I just found a DYSON SPHERE before I found who asked. I found the edge of the universe before I found who asked. I literally visited every single planet in the entire universe before I found who asked.
I am literally witnessing the death of almost every star around me before I found who asked. The light of the earth is slowly fading. I have searched across galaxies leaving no stone unturned, yet I am afraid my time in this universe is finally running out. It’s a shame, really. I’ve witnessed stars being birthed, and those same stars dying. I’ve seen everything there is to see in this beautiful universe. This whole time, I’ve been caught up with such a petty task. Instead of enjoying my time while it lasted, I was distracted by the beauty of it all. I don’t regret what I’ve done though. The question that started it all, who asked, has finally been answered. I’ve searched every nook and cranny in this ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
I can confidently say, better than anybody, that truly NOBODY ASKED.
Deadpool is my favorite comic book character of all time. I thought they pretty much nailed the character in the first Deadpool movie. Both the second and third movies however completely fail to make Deadpool special. Every single character is making jokes nonstop the entire movie, when it's supposed to be that everyone is serious while Deadpool is the wacky one. They've made him not special in his own movies now.
@@thequinlanshow3326 based on this statement I don’t think you really watched the last 2 movies
i agree with what u said in the video but when you talk about the same joke being repeated over and over again its like 75% of this video is the same skit over and over again and just as overindulgent as the scenes you complain about.
I think that’s the point he’s trying to make 😅
Ironically, Saving Private Ryan does insert humor into battle scenes. They shoot surrendering Czech conscripts and quip, "Look, I washed for supper!", the German propagandist on the loudspeaker is quipped at ("'The Statue is Liberty is kaput.' That's disconcerting."), and the build-up to the final battle consists of two separate scenes of soldiers telling funny stories. Spielberg really was a master at making those things feel grounded and real.
Also in the Two Towers. Before the battle of Helmsdeep, we get Gimli providing some comedic relief, but it still feels appropriate in the moment and doesn't ruin the tone.
Yeah no one ever really mentions that the guys the Americans were facing at Omaha weren't even Germans mostly, they were older men and boys, and foreign troops more or less forced to go fight for the Wehrmacht and posted in places like the Atlantic Wall to free up the prime units for the Eastern Front and as a counterartacking force, which was Germany's primary method of defeating attacks: wait to see where it falls, let the troops in the front line delay it as well as they can, then send a smashing attack into it after they are disorganized and depleted by the advance.
So all those men were wiped out by a few terrified old men and teenagers, who were then shot without mercy or burned alive by the men who made it past. Not to blame the soldiers, they didn't know, just it gets old hearing how all the tragic stuff was because of what the bad guys did. US soldiers didn't always cover themselves with glory. Because that's how war is.
Also interesting that no one ever mentions the tens of thousands of French citizens killed in bombing raids on occupied cities, both before Normandy and during the heavy bombing leading up to the invasion. A bombing raid was considered very successful if half the bombs fell into a mile wide circle centered on the target, on the assumption that least a few hit the actual target. Thats a whole mile of urban city, and the other half fell wherever outside the circle. And that's a "successful" raid where they aimed and dropped correctly, and that's by the US standard for "precision" bombing. The RAF was content to just hit the right area of the city mostly. All those bombs went into French cities, the areas around the rail yards were leveled before the invasion. And you read about the fighter bombers raiding France and Holland in advance of the attack, they just blasted anything they saw on the road, or anywhere, on the assumption that it was a German military vehicle or train, even individuals. But it seems unlikely to me that every French or Dutch citizen just stayed at home for weeks and the only people going anywhere were soldiers. A lot of those trains were full of citizens, a lot of the vehicles and wagons were just farmers and people transporting goods to the towns. Just weird no one ever talks about it, although they will talk about the German citizens killed when German cities were bombed. There were a lot more of them obviously, but they were at least nominally "bad guys" (even if just because they were born in the wrong place and didn't personally stop Hitler from taking power).
I’ve seen a number of movies where the combat quips aren’t even intended to get a laugh. Like real life gallows humor it’s people trying to cope with a messed up scenario, the jokes in bad taste and doesn’t even make sense, and if done right like in movies such as full metal jacket and generation kill it actually makes the scene even more uncomfortable that it would if you just had a bunch of stoic hardassds.
Interesting, I always thought they were saying ‘Worscht fer supper!’ as if they were making fun of German axis casualties.
@@darthdaddy3071 I was thinking about the 'You have to toss me' scene. I think part of why it works is how its played, the joke ends there (no 2 minutes of banter) and the joke's payoff is a really badass moment that propels you right back into the action.
The Joss Whedon effect has been a disaster for storytelling and will echo throughout history as the worst thing to happen to Hollywood since Weinstein, Diddy, and that Mel Gibson rant that got him blackballed.
Firefly was fun
@@marktyler3381 Oh yeah, Joss Whedon is normally fine. The issue is people trying to ape him and doing it iteratively worse each time. It's like cloning a clone, we're 3 Whedons removed from the original.
@@simon123222Exactly. The first _Avengers_ is a masterclass in how to do humor right. Whedon gave each Avenger a different style of humor that was consistent with their previous characterizations: Iron Man is flippant, Cap is clean and understated, Banner makes dark jokes about the Hulk, and Thor doesn’t joke at all - he’s the butt of jokes about his earnestness and his lack of familiarity with Earth. Most importantly, Black Widow is dead serious for most of the movie, because she’s worried about Hawkeye and well aware that she’s out of her depth compared to Loki and the superpowered Avengers. Whedon knew and respected these characters, and that was why the humor was hardly, if ever, out of place.
Iron man 1 had humor and so did Winter Soldier, just balanced well. Many acting like humor is new for comics related movies, hence the word comic. lol Tony Stark was full of jokes in his serious first movie.
I’ve never come across anyone that is “acting like humor is new for comics.”
Your social circle must be retarded.
Also great analysis. The 2000s superhero film attempt era went serious as possible and what eased the mainstream public for the 2010s superhero boom. And now has regressed back to 90s cheese, but ACTUALLY not fun to watch. At least Batman and Robin was fun cheese and over the top, almost like it was self-aware it was cringe and had fun with it. The M-She-U humor ACTUALLY thinks it's good or cool, which in turn makes it not fun because they're not in on the joke, they ACTUALLY think they're being cool.
_Batman & Robin_ WAS self-aware. John Glover, who played Dr. Woodrue, has said that Joel Schumacher would tell the cast and crew “Remember, this is a cartoon!” before each take. And I don’t think any movie that crams in that many Arnold puns is trying to be the next _Dark Knight._
Batman and Robin did a fantastic job capturing the campy era of Batman. You could watch that movie and Batman: The Brave and the Bold show, and it almost feels like a companion.
I think the problem now is that they're gojng too far to the gritty/grounded side that they've basically removed all of the fun. No room for campiness, even though it's part of the character. In the next adaptation, they'll probably make him even more grounded by removing his grappling hook and making him take th stairs.
Exactly. I didn't mind the cheesy movies being cheesy because they weren't ever trying to be serious to start with.
Oh, but when it was the M-He-U and women were treated badly, that was fine?
@ShadowSonic2 the women were never treated poorly, both the characters and the female audience. The female characters have always been made to be badass. And the female audience has been appeased with several shirt off moments from the guys. So I don't know wtf you're talking about.
Marvel humor was epitomized in the first Avengers, where Hulk just throws Loki around, and these dudes on both sides of me were laughing so hard they were were doing that dainty little "gently patting away the laugh tears" that you see women do when they dont want to mess up their makeup. I genuinely couldnt figure out why I was the only one who didnt think it was the funniest thing that had ever been filmed. It was just sudden and out of place, and a showcase of noticably terrible fucking CGI. It felt like being around children laughing at Paw Patrol, and you laugh back because you dont want the kids to feel bad for laughing
I never thought it was supposed to be a joke, more something satisfying. You have this manipulative psychopath who’s been using others as his tools this entire time, condescending to the Hulk because he’s having a breakdown and clinging to his own inflated ego and sense of superiority, then he gets pulverized. It has the same energy as watching a little asshole harass a bigger guy, slapping his hat off his head and trying to steal his things, only to get laid out by a single punch when the big guy finally retaliates.
It was funny but it wasn’t a joke. Women don’t understand humor
@eddiejohnson4434 he said dudes btw, maybe eaze off the misogyny
It's like they forgot everything that made Cap: Winter Soldier and Infinity War so good
Joss Whedon, James Gunn and the guy from reddit who got thousands of upvotes have ruined a generation of writers.
I mean... when it's genuine you the writer it's fine, I love Guardians a lot. But when it's a cheap imitation it's grating.
And a hat tip to Quentin Tarantino
With a special “token” to Aaron Sorkin.
Nah, James Gunn's writing is genuinely funny and (usually) doesn't undercut serious scenes. Agree with Joss Whedon though.
It's not his fault. People just over did what he did.
The simple fact is that if a work doesn't take itself seriously, readers/watchers/viewers won't either.
Listening to Despot’s MCU humour examples made me want to relocate my head several kilometres away from my torso with the assistance of a freight train.
That’s all to say GREAT JOB WITH THE SCRIPT!
Indeed
that whole bit with the smash cut to "chatgpt, write a marvel script.." killed me lmfao, so accurate. great content
I gotta be honest with you Despot, those jokes you made in popular scenes cracked me up so hard, you nailed them 100%.
I can't see the 2010's or 2020's being looked back on too fondly in the future. If they are then I guess we really are stuck in a cultural uroboros.
As a whole sure, but about 5-10% was pretty good
@slow-and-steady Early-2010's were okay but you could really start feeling the culture rot by the time 2014 came around.
@@chemergencywhen smartphones came everything turned to shy7e
@@aselliofacchio It wasn't smartphones. Occupy Wall Street scared the tribe in charge and they needed to divide the west immediatly.
@@slow-and-steadyless than that
To be fair to Love and Thunder, the god cracking jokes and being indifferent to his plight COULD have worked as a breaking point to start the god slaughtering.
But still worse than what was originally done with a god dearing to beg him for help being the breaking point.
Yeah I actually liked that, how the god didn't care at all about the mortal's suffering and even mocked it with his celestial peers. The original one sounds better though.
or they could have just kept Gorr's origin the same as the book since he was a fucking awesome Thor villain.
I was saying this to myself as well as that is the only moment in the film were the humor worked.
I agree the idea could have worked, but the execution of it was just terrible. It was a great premise but an awful scene.
@@brandonscott9747is this scene not supposed to be awkward? His worldview is shattered and he is left there being ridiculed. The tone is reflective of him being left to both mourn his daughter and to face the reality that his god doesn’t actually care.
They massively over-egged the pudding with this. The Winter Soldier was one of the best films I've ever seen, more of a thriller than a super-hero movie. They blended the action and intrigue with a tiny amount of humor perfectly.. now, its just absolutely shocking. Like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air mixed with Shaolin Soccer! 😂😂
You poor thing! You should definitely get out more.
@@johnnysilverhand1733 He was in 'the mob'. They get out all the time, and in the best weather!
Weird, I just watched your interview with Nick Buckley right before this video.
Nah, Winter Soldier and early MCU were genuinely good movies and knew when to be serious vs humorous. Now it's so humorous that the heavier moments are severely undercut
The Winter Soldier also dropped some major red pills (altho with hollyweird, red pill droppage is really just a victory lap-confession because they've already won), such as *a certain group of coincidental people* really being in control of all of politics and media since the end of WW2 (remember at the beginning of Avengers when Steve says something like "when they woke me up, they told me we won, but they didn't tell me what we lost?), population control algorithms, MK Ultra, etc.
boba fett surviving and escaping the sarlacc pitt vastly predates the current trend of 'somehow palpatine returned', and i take objection to classifying it under that disgusting heading.
You should've taken offense to the EU writers cynically resurrecting him in the first place. That was D * U * M
@@BoozyBeggar nawwwwwwwwww
**Vader chokes an Imperial Officer**
Palpatine: "I'll have what she's having....."
The “icy dead people” joke got me. That was pretty genius lol
You’re part of the problem
Christian Bale was wasted in Thor Love and Thunder.
He was, but he was also the only good thing in the recalcitrant pile of dren made by the kuru kiwi.
Even though I've always hated Bat-Bale, I have to admit that he does throw himself 100% into his roles. Gorr was a religious devotee who lost everything and then lost his mind, and Christian Bale sells it.
The "Star Wars Ruined" section sounded like a classic game chat conversation😂
Not so much pilots but it sounds like something actual grunts would say.
I really appreciate your content Despot. Great analysis as always.
A couple humorous gags in guardians of the Galaxy volume two actually had me rolling. The first was when Drax was giving Starlord advice, and he was sounding all wise until he mentioned his nethers; like, where did that come from? 😂 And then later on, Drax told him about his father telling the children about making it with his mom!😂🤣”It was beautiful!”😂😂 those were actually pretty funny!
The thing with Thor Love and Thunder. The director did everything in his power to make the movie suck to comic and veteran MCU fans. It's not incompetence. It's by design and that IMHO makes it worse.
And i would add that Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up. Thor was made into a complete joke in that movie.
Overindulgence as well.
He knew he had FAR more free reign than pretty much every other Director in the MCU's employ (Besides maybe the Russo brothers), because he managed to hit a homerun with Ragnarok (Which, in retrospect benefited from what WAS considered the worst MCU film before it in Thor: The Dark World, and because the film actually showed us a full-powered and proper King of Asgard Thor which would pay off even better in Infinity War only to be terribly wrecked in Endgame for jokes.).
And what did he do with that liberty? He made a 4+ hour film the entire crew reportedly enjoyed making . . . but was a monster to edit into any cohesive narrative because you were cutting the movie AT LEAST in half.
The result: Massive tone dysfunction, Thor set right back into the same holding pattern his character ALMOST got out of at the end of Ragnarok and Infinity War, a total waste of a great villain concept with Gorr and Bale's performance, and the cinematic equivalent of the Director beating off on camera.
@@GideonRavenor712 People have actually forgotten that Bale was a villain in the movie. When you talk about Thor Love and Thunder I have rarely seen people talk about Christian Bale. That's how much the movie wasted his talent.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp They Made Thor a Joke from the word Jump. the first two movies tried to have serious pay-offs for him, but they were not good movies. They made him the butt of Jokes through out the MCU, he got some good moments occasionally, but that was it. This partly stems from Hemsworth who seems to want to be a comedian more than a serious actor from all the things I've seen him in, which I admit hasn't been much. And if the MCU wasn't building up to Infinity Gauntlet, they could have done a bunch of solo movies for Thor that could have covered his best era, the first one covering his super hero Origin, the next three covering The Ragnarok storyline with the Cask of Ancient Winters, the Dark Elves, and Finally the big pay-off with Surtur. But no, they pissed that up a tree
@daishikaze3986 No, having him be a fish out of water doesn't make the entire things comedies. The first movie was the most serious one because it was very Shakespearean. Lots of conflict with his family, and with himself. The 2nd movie failed because they had no clue what to do with him. They should've embraced the fantasy world more. And the 3rd movie was definitely a poor adaptation of the Ragnorak story, but it did leave him in a good place to build up. Infinity War built him up. Endgame broke the character beyond repair. They completely obliterated Thor and everything that they had previously set up, and then Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
Okay, I know your jokes were meant to illustrate inappropriately timed humor as a bad thing but I gotta say the Titanic and Star Wars scenes were indeed hilarious. Generic Movie TH-camr was terrifying though.
I think that's probably because of how good the jokes themselves were
The star wars meme could absolutely have worked if they just made the battle scene longer and put in something that sectioned off the funny bit from the death star blowing up.
The protectors of the cosmos had me cackling idc
"What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."
Also: "Well at least my constipation just ended!"
@@brandonhelcher3691except he said "cross the Titanic with the Atlantic" which triggered my inner obsessive-compulsive. It doesn't work when you say it that way. And I can't see any real reason to change that intentionally.
This style of humor tanked Transformers One with the first trailer - which is Greek-level tragic because it is a freaking GREAT film.
I hated the ending. "killing bad, never kill, there is no difference between murdering children and killing the guy who murdered children, all bad, all equal"
So fucking sick of that Sodom-tier trope. No, if Batman killed Joker, that wouldn't make him JUST AS BAD, that'd make him ten million times BETTER.
2:39 is it incompetence due to writing by committee where everyone needs to have a say or is it a lack of confidence? Perhaps lack of confidence, talent and a writing committee all together creates these abominations. Seriousness is not allowed when millennials write. They always has to throw in a "oh THAT just happened hurr durr!".
"Icy dead people."
I fucking died 🤣😂😅
Despot, you managed to make me laugh at one of the saddest scenes in Titanic with you puns. Thanks a lot.
The return of Mr. Reflection using subject matter covered in the video shows greater planning between seemingly separate videos than the explicit sequential saga extension of the sequel trilogy.
You achieve so much in one go that must be commended, outclassing the things you critique by example.
Thanks man, I appreciate you noticing that.
One of the reasons I love Despot is cuz his videos have lore lol
Was watching the Matt Reeves Planet of the Apes movie last night and appreciated their was little to no humor.
I'm sick of quips, self-awar meta gags
Matt Reeves is becoming goated. Home run after home run, whether it's Cloverfield, Apes or The Batman.
@@KTK44But don't expect him to turn in a script on time. Because he never does.
@@KTK44I do think The Batman is too far in the gritty/grounded direction. They removed all the fun of the character, and even his villain the Riddler. It really limits the character and his world. I just found it boring. To me it just felt like he was trying to outdo Nolan and Snyder. Almost like an amalgamation of both. I don't want full on campy or full on gritty, but a nice balance.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I didn't like Catwoman explicitly complaining about my skin colour and saying the name of the colour.
@squirrelsyrup1921 Neither did I. Incredibly stupid scene. I wish they would stop raceswapping Catwoman.
I don't understand how these millennial writers have so much self hatred, yet the ego to fill everything they touch with their bullshit
Your titanic bit was great 😂 honestly though why does every popular romance movie involve a woman cheating on her finance/husband with another guy lol
yeah and men can't be glorified for cheating but woman can if rose had left her husband it would have been fine but she cheated.
Fun fact: Drax was there when MJ kissed Peter for the first time, he was invisible by being totally still.
So was Ant man. Checkmate
imagine making this unfunny overused hackneyed dogshit joke in the comment section of this exact video without any apparent irony. presumably while thinking “heh heh this would play well on the reddit with the updoots edit rip my inbox I also choose this guys dead wife eh heheh heh heh”
The God Butcher comic was amazing, dark, and absolutely worth reading. It had Thor from 3 time periods, distant past, present, and far future, working together, to defeat Gor, a truly terrifying, and nearly invincible villain.Jane and Valkyrie were not in the story, at all, and neither were The Guardians. The adaptation in Love and Thunder was a complete sacrilegious travesty. Taika, or whatever the hell his name is, deserves a shot, below the belt, from Stormbreaker, or Mjolnir, with Thor’s full strength behind it.
He ruined the Sakarsson arc for Hulk too. Dude is a f****ng menace.
His name is "taikia david cohen" stop being anti-semitic!
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowdude fr, they could've at least had the rebellion against the Red King/Grnadmaster be the reason they get off the planet. At least include a bit more from that storyline.
I am tired of the marvel humour too, but the humour in this video is also not great. It's kind of ironic being told how the humour sucks in big budget films then proceeds to have long winded jokes and skits land flat. I understand some of it is in the taste or irony but I also feel a genuine attempt at humour is there.
I like the commentary as there are a lot of good points but when the American accent comes out multiple times for those skits I'm left rolling my eyes tbh.
irony
Yes, complainers are often worse than those they complain to.
During your quippy character skit, I wanted to die. Jesus Christ...
"guys, stay generic" made me lose it 😂😂😂😂
The Joss Whedification of movies has been a disaster for humanity
I don't even watch Marvel movies and never watched Buffy (he wrote for that show), not my cup of tea. Yet I still see the "Whedonesque dialogue" effect on other pieces of media. It even started to invade woman focused literature and adjacent media (visual novels/webcomics). The amount of snarky, non-serious and "har har making references to real life pop-culture media and memes(US focused) that the reader may know of" heroines that cropped up over the last 7 years are exhausting. I want to stuff them all into a shredder. Doesn't even matter if a character like that has a minor role in a story, they deflate any tension the story has and are fourth wall breaking. They are like some really shitty isekai character that gets thrown in there for yucks without the author's knowledge despite writing this very character.
The problem with imitation is that it's not genuine, it think the Avengers is a very good amd well written story I think the humor is perfect, but when people try to copy it... it just feels fake and forced. I can tell when someone isn't writing with their own genuine style.
I don't know what happened to that guy... he is fully capable of well timed good jokes and dramatic and high tension scenes and proper payoffs within the same movie. firefly is still one of my favorite movies. I'd recommend he goes back and watches it
@@omalleycaboose5937the first Avengers had a balnce between the humorous moments and serious moments, but Avengers 2 they let the director off the leash. The quipping was so bad that even all the villains were doing it.
We need a Joss version of Schindler's List to showcase what a joke that movie is..
The ultimate example of marvel humour was the ironman vs hulk fight.
It would have been a great moment where Stark is genuinely terrified to fight an out of control Hulk, the tension could build until Stark realises he's going to win THEN he makes a joke. Or if he just left in the 'go to sleep' joke and the rest was him thinking on his feet and frantically trying to get the hulk out of the city while protecting people.
instead Stark was treating the experience like it was a mild inconvenience and it made the whole scene pointless
"Go to sleep" was not a joke, it was genuine frantic hoping and praying out loud. Have you ever been in any kind of dire straits?
@@BoozyBeggar it was a flippant comment, which is closer to a joke than a legit concern. starks tone didnt convey "frantic" or "desperation"
Really? I found it to be great. Tony’s basically frozen in wide-eyed panic. In every other scene he has a wide range of emotions, but here he’s totally blank and monotone, essentially showing that when he can’t deflect with humor - and he has no audience to deflect - he loses something of himself.
@@Vherstinae blank and monotone?! He expresses plenty of emotion when he's mouthing off.
The constant jokes removed theweight from the scene and with it, the emotional payoff.
We cant allow tension or sense of danger in our movies
Thor: Love and Thunder is the MCU equivalent of Cars 2 or Planet Sheen. Marvel and Disney made two rookie mistakes: they gave the director no direction and made the comic relief the main star.
Korg is now the textbook example of milking a joke. He’s completely overstayed his welcome and is a sign of how making Thor a jokey character was a bad move.
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That line was so bad, I wrote a bunch of different alternate lines they could have gone with instead! These are my Top 5.
"Did you really think you could kill me that easily?"
"Not even death is going to be enough to stop me from defeating you!"
"Ready for Round 2, Witch?"
"Did you think your actions wouldn't come back to haunt you!?"
"You didn't think I was going to stay dead, did you?"
Not even death will save you from me.
“Say hello to Stockton Rush while you’re down there. Tell him I want my Xbox controller back.”
😂🤣 funnier than any joke in any marvel movie ever
The new hour-long Despot video is right behind me, isn't it?
So, that just happened. Little help here, guys?
Spot on, Despot. Some humor is good, but endless comedy using quirky personalities without substantial character conflict and a solid plot underlying the comedy does not work.
The best humor is derived from the very situations the characters find themselves in and their genuine reactions to them, not from jokes you tell your friends while sucking down fried mozz sticks at [big chain goyslop restaurant].
The best example I can think of: "There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that." That sounds EXACTLY like something Steve Rogers in that situation would say without even thinking about it or trying to be clever, and the situation still has me thinking about it 12 years later.
5:08 whoa this room is really dead.
😂😂😂😂😂
This had me me Bro
Everyone froze to death when they heard the joke
@@richardsanchez5444 you could say this is dead silence 😅😅😅
Marvel humor is to Hollywood what the Bubonic Plague was to medieval Europe
8:21 I remember this, all those guys were living together with the woman on the sofa, and they were all her simps. 100% cringe...
Do you remember what happened afterwards?
I blame Ragnarok for this. It was a movie full of dull jokes that accidently worked and after that Marvel thought all movies must be like that.
No, that started with Guardians of the Galaxy. That was the movie that taught the studio to make everything a joke.
It was Ironman 1
"weekend at palpis" Is funnier than any marvel joke 😂😂
I was actually laughing at the Titanic stand up bit. _"That to do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."_ LOOOOOL! Never heard that one, that's really good one lol.
This TH-camrs style of humor never got past middle school
You got him pal, he will never recover from this much EmOtIoNaL dAmAgE
Thanks!
Thank you!
Your titanic jokes were actually pretty solid lmao
Marvel: "As solid as the iceberg! Ba dum tiss"
I'm sure that was just the tip of the iceberg
That MoM joke is not the worst joke in the movie. "Heydaguy Heydathere" is the worst joke in the movie. It's a completely and thoroughly nonfunctional joke on so many levels
"Illumi-whati?"
@@windandfireproductions5358 it's so weird cause that doesn't seem like something Strange would say
I don't mind the fourth-wall breaking in Deadpool movies. It's legitimately done as well is it ever can be, and it's MILES ahead of all the times Deadpool has appeared in more kid-friendly media like video games and cartoons. But everywhere else, it gets tiresome, and fast. It happened because it was Whedon's signature style, and it worked in Avengers for the exact same reason. Once we were dealing with people trying ot copy Whedon as "the Marvel style," it became insufferable probably 9/10 times. Your full-circle comment is spot-on.
also doubly because Deadpool already filled the niche for that kind of humor done well. Now everyone wants to do it poorly.
@@angel_of_rust Exactly. If everyone's Deadpool, no one is.
Deadpool was never good/funny. Comedic fourth wall breaking is always cringe unless it's done very subtly; either way they're the laziest jokes possible.
Deadpool is a comedy. That's why it's acceptable. One can complain they don't like the humour, or it doesn't land, but not that it's there.
The first movie still had a lot of serious moments. Then they basically just did the same joke, but more in the sequels. I've honestly just had my fill of Deadpool. Can we get back to actual serious superhero films again?
This is easily the best analysis of Marvel humor on TH-cam. I hope it becomes the reference video for this story-annihilating plague.
When Capt in Avengers 1 said "There's only one God ma'me and Im pretty sure he doesnt dress like that"
That was one of the greatest lines in MCU. The threat is very serious but there is enough room to play but even the joke is still a reaffirmation of our beliefs so we take it seriously. That moment doesnt lose any intensity even with Iron man's "I have a plan, attack" and then Capt dives out of the plane. Dope
It's a joke for the audience, but it was just a serious matter of fact statement for Steve. THAT'S great humor. When it's derived from the internal constistencies of the characters and the situations they're in, THAT is when humor is great.