0:28, you have to remember in endgame. Howard tells Tony that he’s about his wife being pregnant (with Tony). Also, that was Tony’s birth year cap and him landed in
I was talking about that the other day Tony looked confused that she was pregnant because it wasnt near his birthday. From what I heard is they tried to have a baby but had a miscarriage. So Howard ended up adopting Tony for her. In the alternate time line he doesn’t get adopted by Howard this time he is born into slavery or poverty making him doom
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
I think it is the opposite, Doom is a variant of Stark. His motivations would be he is jealous that Stark is in the prime timeline and wants to destroy it.
Nah, there's nothing sympathetic in there, I think it will be Doom's solution to the convergence, and we will sympathize because all he wants to do is save everyone but he's gotta crack a few eggs to make that omelette.
My idea I had was that Tony-Doom was just about the same as Tony-Iron man at least uptil the end of Age of Ultron. There Tony stayed in Sokovia and helped rebuild it with his iron man bots and took scarlet witch under his wing and got interested in her magic. That means everything in that world that took place after that never happend. No civil war, no spider-man mentoring, and when Thanos came, Tony became Dr Doom and effed Thanos up. Of course, I dont think they will go that route. Instead they will have Doom coming from the FF4 verse is what I think
I’m betting either tony stark was adopted to begin with and he was actually born to latverian parents, or in the F4 timeline tony was born to the starks but was then adopted by latverians and became dr doom
Making Stark a variant of Doom is such a cop out. Honestly, variants themselves are. Everything is a variant these days. Doom deserves to stand as his own character, his own legacy, and the writers need to be able to write a compelling story for it or just not do it. It would be better if they don’t even acknowledge that the characters themselves look alike because they’re played by the same actor.
First off saying variants is a retcon or cop out is wrong because in the comics different characters came back because of the multiverse. The multiverse is way bigger in the comics and i can see why marvel wants them so “dead” characters like iron man dead in one universe we can cast the actor to play it again for money.
This is why I've always said that the MCU is not the 616, we can't have a solid timeline without all characters being available, with these crazy combined stories in each film, this is a new timeline, a separate universe
No the main comics timeline starting in the 50s-60s has always been 616 (616 meaning the main and original timeline), marvel just changed it to MCU being 616 because the movies got crazy popular @@timsimpson6019
I love it! I went back and watched scenes from Iron Man 2 and it all makes sense. The child Maria Stark was pregnant with died, either through miscarriage or some other way when he was very young. Howard adopted/stole/acquired Victor Von Doom from Latveria's royal family (we'll get that information later on I assume or hope), and named him Anthony Stark. He grew up as his son but Howard never felt that connection with him. That's why Howard went from "He's not even here yet and there's nothing I wouldn't do for him" in Endgame to "He was cold, he was calculating. He never told me he loved me, he never even told me he liked me." as Tony describes him in Iron Man 2. Howard calls Tony "his greatest creation", perhaps he meant he created the Tony Stark persona by merging Victor and the son he hoped to have into Tony Stark, the nature and nurture combination that was pointed out by Josh in the video. I liked that the Sacred Timeline had the ONLY Tony Stark in the Multiverse and now he's dead. That's why Victor won't be able to find himself in the 616. I'm curious to see if the 838 ever had a Tony Stark or only a Victor Von Doom.
Here me out, the doom stark doesn't get kidnapped so he doesn't become iron man, he keeps going down the dark path of making weapons, he finds out that he's adopted and that people close him knew, this leads him to stop trusting people, and he decides the best way to feel safe in a world where he doesn't trust people is to have control over them
The only problem I have with this. Is that if RDJ is the definitive doom, who in the world is the definitive Tony Stark, can we really have doom without Iron man?
Doom and Iron Man have little connection, none at all in their origin, as they never were in the same tales until the first time he conflicted with the Avengers.
@nvfury13 Though that is true but what I was referring to was if we're getting into the doom arc ALL of the Avengers would have to be present to take him down, that includes Iron Man
When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
Peter Parker in this timelin, can't catch a break. He lost Uncle Ben, he lost Aunt May and then lost his mentor Tony Stark. I wouldn't be surprised if he joins RDJ's Dr Doom at this point.
Wait- Did you just stumble upon the reason they cast RDJ at all? If Doom was a villain who just showed up, with less build than Thanos had- Any "sympathetic" part of his character would be hard to sell. It would just feel "odd" for ANYONE to help him out during his first appearance UNLESS he looked like and, in some weird way, WAS another version of an older character we're all familiar with... Maybe? Spiderman has unwittingly helped out a villain from "another universe" in the past, so-... I guess recognizing his face/other hackneyed details (Doom unknowingly quoting Tony) would be enough to have Spidey willingly make what COULD be the same mistake he's made before... (Holy shit this is BAD. Fell apart as soon I pieced it together).
The biggest Easter egg Marvel gave us about Tony was when his father told him how far along his wife was with her pregnancy. The look on Tonys face said it all that he realized it wasn’t him she was pregnant with.
@ when he was in the basement collecting the teseract. On the way going up his father had flowers and something else for Tony’s mother and then he mentioned how far along his wife was and that’s when Tony had that strange look on his face like it didn’t match up to when he was born
I hate to even think it but I think they're twins separated at birth and they're going to say the mom's maiden name was von doom or something like that. Could yal imagine?? Wtf?? Hopefully it's closer to Secret Wars 2018, they have all the characters finally, and that comic is fuckin legendary to say the least
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
Hear me out.. the Starks lost a baby who was meant to grow up and look like Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise was meant to originally play him and maybe cruise will end up playing supreme iron man in secret wars.. because the real Tony Stark is played by Tom Cruise and they adopted a kid from Latveria that is RDJ aka DD
yeah Idk. I think they're taking the story where Tony and Doom switch bodies and lives in college. To undo the ironman trilogy by saying "hey, this was Victor Von Doom you've been rooting for since day one" is just insane. The fact that the comic story exists is the Occam's razor to all this for now.
Take some pretty strong gymnastics to explain that Tony was adopted after his father in end game literally mentioned his mom was pregnant with him. Unless she was having entanglements with Dooms father. The stretching will be wild.
If you watch the scene again Tony looks confused and keeps asking questions, because it doesn’t line up with his own birth date. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on TH-cam where people thought it could be a mention of Arno Stark, Tony’s messed up brother. But now with this theory, it kinda answers that question. Plus the Russo’s made both films so they might’ve slipped that little Easter egg in that scene for this plot line now
Not really a strech miscarriages are common and a super rich billionaire adopting a kid after the trauma of the miscarriage isnt much of a stretch pretty simple and easy retcon
The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
Iron Man was Iron Man lol when 1st movie came out. these goofy writers they hire just keep screwing things up, so now iron man was dr doom ! lol. I would prefer simple good stories instead of all this timeline BS and multiverse crap. Secret wars was a joke as a comic. In the original FF comics Doom, was a great villian, we will never see that doom in a movie. I see also they are making the silver surfer a female lol.
@@Catman-ke2dx Iron Man was never Doom in the MCU. In fact, ever since RDJ's been cast, Marvel has been denying any relation between Tony Stark and Victor von Doom. He's just playing a brand new character. We should be blaming the casting department for that. Is the script going to acknowledge that Doom looks like Stark? We don't know. I hope the characters recognize him, because if they don't, then Marvel Studios has retconned the face of his first hero.
The comment I was looking for. They say it will be a soft reboot of characters after both big movies. I think we meet the new Tony during secret wars along with the arrival of the mutants
Even without the supposed adoption storyline (which I personally do not buy) there has always been a fully open door for a recast of Iron Man (or any other character) from a different universe. Remember the three Spidermen in the last Spiderman movie? All looked completely different. Or the different-looking Loki Variants in the Loki series. If 10 Tony Stark Variants suddenly showed up, each played by a different actor, no one should be surprised.
Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Here's what you do. RDJs Doom is all like, "HIT look it's Galactus! He want to kill us all! Let's escape into the Sacred Timeline. Ok we're safe here. but he'll follow us and kill us, he's going from universe to universe destroying them. We need to REMOVE THE MULTIVERSE TO SAVE LIFE FROM GOING EXTINCT!" So it's essentially Tony Starts suit of armor around the world, but instead around the timeline, by removing all other timelines. I'd call that sympathetic.
Exactly this is what we need to set expectations for he is going to act his ass off and be Victor von doom nothing at all to do with Tony Stark. They do not need to taint that at all. He will still look completely different but it will be RDJ clearly lol
He didn't actually kill everyone, they disappeared. It's a kids comic remember. And at the end, thanos was still alive on that planet, just all the superheros came back.
I keep going back to Endgame when Tony helps up Cap and says, "When you mess with time, it tends to mess back... You'll see..." Whether he's Tony or Victor in that moment, he knows more than he's letting on. This has to be a call back in Doomsday!
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
@ wasn’t tryin to be too heavy in semantics. Basically they have a cause they believe in which isn’t villainy in itself but the way they go about it is
I like the idea of RDJ was actually meant to be Doom this entire time, and maybe Tom Cruise's Superior Ironman is the true Ironman. And Spiderman being the leader of the Avengers to take on Doom in the next two team-up films sounds like a hit waiting to happen.
Perhaps what would make Doom a truly sympathetic villain is he becomes aware of the tony stark that fought thanos, realises either he was adopted by the dooms, or had he been adopted by the starks he’d prefer that life
@@cameronbolden5064but you can do that just by him being a Doom that looks like Tony Stark no? I think it’s an awful idea just let the characters be their own.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Makes perfect sense. In Endgame, the elevator scene with Howard and Howard (lol) Howard tells Tony his wife is expecting and this confuses Tony. If it’s April 7th when you’re speaking to your father in the past and you know your birthday is a month away, it wouldn’t take a genius to figure the rest out. But instead, “Tony” seemed a little more than confused. I would be too if I was born January 19th 1970 and hear that my “mother” is expecting me to be born May 29th 1970. In this time line, she most likely miscarried Tony, then adopted Victor a short time later and raised him as Tony Stark. If miles morales from Earth-42 is a variant of spider man as Prowler, then Earth-616’s Tony stark is both a variant of Victor Von Doom and Dr. Doom the moniker. Instead of having his “spider” taken to another dimension, he had his upbringing upgraded by the Starks. Variant Doom will probably resent Tony Dooms upbringing too.
It's setting up to have the celestial in the ocean will be the god killer suit. He's gonna find out he has a secret brother. It makes sense why he looked confused in endgame when his dad said how far long his mom was.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
13:54 ok, I can get with that (the anger)… actually might be a pretty solid storyline to explain away the obvious. And the Spiderman part is something I’ve been saying from the beginning 💯
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Im obviously pumped for secret wars. Wish it wasn’t so rushed. Not sure what’s after this lol I guess the reboot and X-men but seems like they are pulling their best card early out of desperation.
At 10:50 you said that Earth-616 is not the sacred timeline, but then at 13:00 you say that it is. This is contradicting. I’m confused. Please explain.
My only question how would Marvel explain the scene between Tony and his Dad in Endgame? Where is the real Tony Stark? That leaves room to cast another Iron Man 🤔
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
@@davidjones8043What if the son died and they’ve adopted a child from Latveria. In the 616 universe Victor is actually Tony, but in the every other universe the variants that look like him are Doom. I mean it doesn’t completely destroy Tony’s past history in the films and adds context to why he would become Doom.
Yeah I don't want to see Tony and Peter story I want something epic.i feel like endgame is overrated it was good initially but infinity war was the better movie. Going back in time was just lazy and Thanos who is OP with the gauntlet is nearly killied for snapping his fingers with it lol like as long as you don't snap your fingers while wearing it you're good
NOT A FAN OF THIS CHOICE💯I GET WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR BUT IMO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE WAS JUST DOOM💯NOT A TONY STARK VARIANT, NOT A RDJ CLONE, BUT JUST DR DOOM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE WITH NO TIES TO ANYTHING WOULDVE BEN BEST IMO💯😮💨BUT ULTIMATELY IM SURE THEY WILL MAKE IT WORK REGARDLESS
My friend I really think normie audience wont get this complicated theory. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Our Tony stark was a clone/son from Dr Doom in other universe. Howard Stark and Reed Richards thought if they were able to raise him, he could be a hero of some kind. Some technomancy and bam, they stranded Dr Doom in Reeds universe and 'Tony stark"(as a kid or sample or whatever) in our main universe. Doom finds this, and fights for his son back. but has to destroy our universe to undo his death. EDIT: In first avengers movie when Tony went through the portal to space, That is when Doom was able to track him.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
I like this a lot. People wanted Ironman variants in MoM and Deadpool but that never happens, leading credibility to this Doom theory, it will punch the MCU in the gut and that's what Infinity War did but this will be almost worse because it will be harder for fans because we knew infinity stone magic (time travel) would bring back those snapped out of existence.
Ah, I see this is just like the storyline with Tony, where we find out that Tony isn’t actually a Stark, he was just adopted. The Starks son is Arno a super genius super weapon.
Watched the first 30 seconds of this video, paused it to write this comment, and now I’m done with this channel. This is so fucking ridiculous. Must be a very slow news day.
theres nothing "cringe" about making a theory, especially one that very well could be correct. your comment, however, genuinely is cringe, since you only said it cuz you dislike the theory lmao.
Dr. Doom is going to be a dope character, we (as fans) are all going to root for RDJ even if he's the "villain"... completely different dynamic than the MCU.
Aha My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
One of my favorite lines in Age of Ultron seems so telling.. Tony Stark: And I'm the man who killed the Avengers. I saw it. I didn't tell the team, how could I? I saw them all dead, Nick. I felt it. The whole world, too. It's because of me. I wasn't ready. I didn't do all I could. Nick Fury: The Maximoff girl, she's working you, Stark. Playing on your fear. Tony Stark: I wasn't tricked, I was shown. It wasn't a nightmare, it was my legacy. The end of the path I started us on.
One thing that studios don't get (AND DISNEY REALLY DOESN'T GET) is that when fans figure out the overall plot points and they seem satisfying, you DON'T have to scrap it and make something way worse. Several people have pointed out that fan theories sometimes can be to blame why movies turn out bad. This is because the studios think there won't be any interest in a movie people figured out. It's the OPPOSITE. Fans love to be right. Fans love to see the stories they know on screen. Nobody will hate the movie if RDJ turns out to be an alternate version of Tony from another universe. They will hate the movie if that was a good script and it got tossed for a lousey one, just because people figured it out.
also off topic slightly, I see Tony using the gauntlet not as a growth of character type sacrifice, but an egotistical move to be the one who gave his life to save the entire species and be remembered for it as a legend. That is definitely where Tony and Victor would overlap in a ven diagram of the two’s character.
Plot twist: RDJ becomes an oldschool rapper for [as].
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The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Iirc, in deadpool and wolverine, the timelines slowly dies when the anchor being is dead, while in Loki, he grabbed a bunch of timelines altogether to allow multiverse to happen, solving the loom problem of having only the sacred timeline by destroying other timelines 🤔 …. Right?
RDJ was brought back to "save" the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's all.
Yup
They still need to make a story tho 😂
@loveandpowereternal117 It doesn't take a writer to understand why he was brought back.
@user-wd8ne5pr4r I guess I'm smarter than you.
Basically...we'll see if it actually works
I think we, ourselves, actually branched off into an alternate universe where RDJ is doom. lol
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Agreed. It Makes More Sense That Way. Then It Will Hit In The Feels.
0:28, you have to remember in endgame. Howard tells Tony that he’s about his wife being pregnant (with Tony). Also, that was Tony’s birth year cap and him landed in
I was just thinking. This video's theory is canon-breaking and makes no sense.
I was talking about that the other day Tony looked confused that she was pregnant because it wasnt near his birthday. From what I heard is they tried to have a baby but had a miscarriage. So Howard ended up adopting Tony for her. In the alternate time line he doesn’t get adopted by Howard this time he is born into slavery or poverty making him doom
@@JoshPetersonso what you are saying is that it will most definitely happen?!
It could just be a variant born to those parents &still end up being a variant...
@@JoshPeterson All things are canon in an infinite multiverse.
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
@@thanerosfacts I even think it time to recast black panther
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
I feel you bro :/ Fuck the old Disney ceo he ruined everything
How old are you if you don’t mind me asking
I think it is the opposite, Doom is a variant of Stark. His motivations would be he is jealous that Stark is in the prime timeline and wants to destroy it.
Could be, this is had been my personal opinion too, but realistically we have no clue lol.
Nah, there's nothing sympathetic in there, I think it will be Doom's solution to the convergence, and we will sympathize because all he wants to do is save everyone but he's gotta crack a few eggs to make that omelette.
My idea I had was that Tony-Doom was just about the same as Tony-Iron man at least uptil the end of Age of Ultron. There Tony stayed in Sokovia and helped rebuild it with his iron man bots and took scarlet witch under his wing and got interested in her magic. That means everything in that world that took place after that never happend. No civil war, no spider-man mentoring, and when Thanos came, Tony became Dr Doom and effed Thanos up.
Of course, I dont think they will go that route. Instead they will have Doom coming from the FF4 verse is what I think
@@Delta9ChurchYeah since it’s the sacred timeline he just needs to save and conquer this one to survive. Not hard to understand at all.
I’m betting either tony stark was adopted to begin with and he was actually born to latverian parents, or in the F4 timeline tony was born to the starks but was then adopted by latverians and became dr doom
Making Stark a variant of Doom is such a cop out. Honestly, variants themselves are. Everything is a variant these days. Doom deserves to stand as his own character, his own legacy, and the writers need to be able to write a compelling story for it or just not do it. It would be better if they don’t even acknowledge that the characters themselves look alike because they’re played by the same actor.
I agree it is a lame retcon.
I agree. Doom should've been the focus after Endgame. He is the sort of villian you build up slowly.
First off saying variants is a retcon or cop out is wrong because in the comics different characters came back because of the multiverse. The multiverse is way bigger in the comics and i can see why marvel wants them so “dead” characters like iron man dead in one universe we can cast the actor to play it again for money.
Eww.. let's hope not
Also there is a story arc that iron man is victor von doom and tony is doom soo we might be getting that story
This is why I've always said that the MCU is not the 616, we can't have a solid timeline without all characters being available, with these crazy combined stories in each film, this is a new timeline, a separate universe
Interesting
Except it’s literally confirmed the mcu is 616 lol.
@@timsimpson6019 😅 we never know... What if, yes WHAT IF it's all part of the plan tho 😊
No the main comics timeline starting in the 50s-60s has always been 616 (616 meaning the main and original timeline), marvel just changed it to MCU being 616 because the movies got crazy popular @@timsimpson6019
The MCU is supposed to be Earth 199999 according to Marvel Comics but in the MCU itself the call it 616 which is fucking stupid.
I love it! I went back and watched scenes from Iron Man 2 and it all makes sense. The child Maria Stark was pregnant with died, either through miscarriage or some other way when he was very young. Howard adopted/stole/acquired Victor Von Doom from Latveria's royal family (we'll get that information later on I assume or hope), and named him Anthony Stark. He grew up as his son but Howard never felt that connection with him. That's why Howard went from "He's not even here yet and there's nothing I wouldn't do for him" in Endgame to "He was cold, he was calculating. He never told me he loved me, he never even told me he liked me." as Tony describes him in Iron Man 2. Howard calls Tony "his greatest creation", perhaps he meant he created the Tony Stark persona by merging Victor and the son he hoped to have into Tony Stark, the nature and nurture combination that was pointed out by Josh in the video. I liked that the Sacred Timeline had the ONLY Tony Stark in the Multiverse and now he's dead. That's why Victor won't be able to find himself in the 616. I'm curious to see if the 838 ever had a Tony Stark or only a Victor Von Doom.
Here me out, the doom stark doesn't get kidnapped so he doesn't become iron man, he keeps going down the dark path of making weapons, he finds out that he's adopted and that people close him knew, this leads him to stop trusting people, and he decides the best way to feel safe in a world where he doesn't trust people is to have control over them
The only problem I have with this. Is that if RDJ is the definitive doom, who in the world is the definitive Tony Stark, can we really have doom without Iron man?
Tom Cruise will be the real Tony Stark in SECRET WARS
Doom and Iron Man have little connection, none at all in their origin, as they never were in the same tales until the first time he conflicted with the Avengers.
@nvfury13 Though that is true but what I was referring to was if we're getting into the doom arc ALL of the Avengers would have to be present to take him down, that includes Iron Man
When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
Who was surprised? There was no surprise. The father didn’t know how far along she was by months, only by size. That’s no indication of adoption.
@@WawaMarvel the timing seemed to Surprise Tony.
Tony's reaction to that always bothered me. We was very surprised
Doesn’t Tony have a brother? Maybe in Endgame Howard was talking about the brother, not Tony
Peter Parker in this timelin, can't catch a break. He lost Uncle Ben, he lost Aunt May and then lost his mentor Tony Stark. I wouldn't be surprised if he joins RDJ's Dr Doom at this point.
Wait- Did you just stumble upon the reason they cast RDJ at all? If Doom was a villain who just showed up, with less build than Thanos had- Any "sympathetic" part of his character would be hard to sell. It would just feel "odd" for ANYONE to help him out during his first appearance UNLESS he looked like and, in some weird way, WAS another version of an older character we're all familiar with... Maybe? Spiderman has unwittingly helped out a villain from "another universe" in the past, so-... I guess recognizing his face/other hackneyed details (Doom unknowingly quoting Tony) would be enough to have Spidey willingly make what COULD be the same mistake he's made before... (Holy shit this is BAD. Fell apart as soon I pieced it together).
Henry Cavill as Mister Sinister BECAUSE he was Superman.
He would make such a great Sinister
@@ashackatak finally, the brains are showing up in the conversation.
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Good choice 👍 but I’ve always prefer Jon Hamm playing Nathaniel Essex aka Mr Sinister
The biggest Easter egg Marvel gave us about Tony was when his father told him how far along his wife was with her pregnancy. The look on Tonys face said it all that he realized it wasn’t him she was pregnant with.
Wait, what??? Please explain, and I’m being so genuine right now 🍿🍿🍿
That, I can't remember which part it was in though.
@ when he was in the basement collecting the teseract. On the way going up his father had flowers and something else for Tony’s mother and then he mentioned how far along his wife was and that’s when Tony had that strange look on his face like it didn’t match up to when he was born
I hate to even think it but I think they're twins separated at birth and they're going to say the mom's maiden name was von doom or something like that. Could yal imagine?? Wtf??
Hopefully it's closer to Secret Wars 2018, they have all the characters finally, and that comic is fuckin legendary to say the least
No way, it just meant he was emotional about himself being born soon
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
My brain isn't braining anymore in order to watch and understand the next avengers movie...
The mustache made him a hero!
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Hear me out.. the Starks lost a baby who was meant to grow up and look like Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise was meant to originally play him and maybe cruise will end up playing supreme iron man in secret wars.. because the real Tony Stark is played by Tom Cruise and they adopted a kid from Latveria that is RDJ aka DD
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yeah Idk. I think they're taking the story where Tony and Doom switch bodies and lives in college. To undo the ironman trilogy by saying "hey, this was Victor Von Doom you've been rooting for since day one" is just insane. The fact that the comic story exists is the Occam's razor to all this for now.
Try reading the "Infamous Iron Man" comic. It'll make sense.
Not to mention that Iron Man 3 already did the "Ha ha! Just kidding! (X) was an imposter the whole time!" BS, and got raked across the coals for it😅
Take some pretty strong gymnastics to explain that Tony was adopted after his father in end game literally mentioned his mom was pregnant with him. Unless she was having entanglements with Dooms father. The stretching will be wild.
If you watch the scene again Tony looks confused and keeps asking questions, because it doesn’t line up with his own birth date. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on TH-cam where people thought it could be a mention of Arno Stark, Tony’s messed up brother. But now with this theory, it kinda answers that question. Plus the Russo’s made both films so they might’ve slipped that little Easter egg in that scene for this plot line now
Not really a strech miscarriages are common and a super rich billionaire adopting a kid after the trauma of the miscarriage isnt much of a stretch pretty simple and easy retcon
The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
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And erasing doom or turning him into a hero made it easier for him because Doom would have made 💩 very difficult lol Hall Of Fame Crash Out lmao
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If iron man was always dr doom how come nobody ever talked about but now?
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If pumpkin pie eas pumpkins all along how come it doesn't look like a pumpkin
Because it's a bs theory.
Iron Man was Iron Man lol when 1st movie came out.
these goofy writers they hire just keep screwing things up, so now iron man was dr doom ! lol.
I would prefer simple good stories instead of all this timeline BS and multiverse crap.
Secret wars was a joke as a comic.
In the original FF comics Doom, was a great villian, we will never see that doom in a movie.
I see also they are making the silver surfer a female lol.
@@Catman-ke2dx Iron Man was never Doom in the MCU. In fact, ever since RDJ's been cast, Marvel has been denying any relation between Tony Stark and Victor von Doom. He's just playing a brand new character. We should be blaming the casting department for that. Is the script going to acknowledge that Doom looks like Stark? We don't know. I hope the characters recognize him, because if they don't, then Marvel Studios has retconned the face of his first hero.
That also leaves the door open for a recast of iron man that comes from another universe where a real Tony Stark was born.
The comment I was looking for. They say it will be a soft reboot of characters after both big movies. I think we meet the new Tony during secret wars along with the arrival of the mutants
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Tom Cruise has his chance now.
Tom Cruise.
Even without the supposed adoption storyline (which I personally do not buy) there has always been a fully open door for a recast of Iron Man (or any other character) from a different universe.
Remember the three Spidermen in the last Spiderman movie? All looked completely different. Or the different-looking Loki Variants in the Loki series. If 10 Tony Stark Variants suddenly showed up, each played by a different actor, no one should be surprised.
Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
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@@ThePorterStyle Yes. Thank you.
Too True, only Arno's DNA could activate the special battle suit I think.
@@ThePorterStyle also in the 616 comics Tony is adopted.
Ever hear of a miscarriage?
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
Bro is REACHING with this one
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BIG TIME!!!
Reaching with a 1100 ft broom lol.
Oh, fo sho!
This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Disney is flushing Marvel down the toilet.
Just like starwars
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Grow up.
That and they can’t even keep up with themselves. They’re trying to do a star wars type releasing and they’re dropping the ball.
That would be fitting! Disney is giving the HERO of the MCU the good ol’ Luke Skywalker treatment😢
Green milk straight from the giant cow giraffe critter's tits... 😂
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Here's what you do. RDJs Doom is all like, "HIT look it's Galactus! He want to kill us all! Let's escape into the Sacred Timeline. Ok we're safe here. but he'll follow us and kill us, he's going from universe to universe destroying them. We need to REMOVE THE MULTIVERSE TO SAVE LIFE FROM GOING EXTINCT!" So it's essentially Tony Starts suit of armor around the world, but instead around the timeline, by removing all other timelines. I'd call that sympathetic.
That would be ridiculous. We are just trying to fit things in. He’s a different person like Jonny storm
Exactly this is what we need to set expectations for he is going to act his ass off and be Victor von doom nothing at all to do with Tony Stark. They do not need to taint that at all. He will still look completely different but it will be RDJ clearly lol
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He didn't actually kill everyone, they disappeared. It's a kids comic remember. And at the end, thanos was still alive on that planet, just all the superheros came back.
In the The Ultimates comics Tony Stark is Kang!
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@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019 Yes
@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019right did you look it up
endgame when tony met his father , his dad told him that "my wife is expecting", shows tony was born not adopted.........
This would actually be a great reasoning! Great job, hopefully this is similar to what we get! 🔥
RDJ can play Doom, but he's been Ironman since 2008. How can you expect some people not to only view him as Ironman
I keep going back to Endgame when Tony helps up Cap and says, "When you mess with time, it tends to mess back... You'll see..." Whether he's Tony or Victor in that moment, he knows more than he's letting on. This has to be a call back in Doomsday!
“A suit of armor around the world” still sits in my head
So when Tony went back to the 70s and met Howard and Howard was talking about his wife being pregnant, that wasn't Tony? Who was it?
Arno Stark.
Lost the pregnancy?
@@samagog Arno Stark. Look him up.
Yall looking into this too much. All they gonna do is try to make sense of this casting. Nothing in past movies is a hint to now
@WawaMarvel Bruh. References, or connective tissue, is exactly how the MCU works.
OMG, I would love your story to be true, this is the way! Fantastic video Josh! Can't wait for next ones.
That's gonna make recasting tony stark so much easier.
Thought the same thing exactly
@@DeviIGundamit’s a great idea
The entire MCU is Doom 4D chess just so he could get his hands on the gauntlet...
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
If it was survival of the fittest he wouldn’t have said the snap would be “indiscriminate”
@ wasn’t tryin to be too heavy in semantics. Basically they have a cause they believe in which isn’t villainy in itself but the way they go about it is
Video starts at 12:05
I like the idea of RDJ was actually meant to be Doom this entire time, and maybe Tom Cruise's Superior Ironman is the true Ironman. And Spiderman being the leader of the Avengers to take on Doom in the next two team-up films sounds like a hit waiting to happen.
Perhaps what would make Doom a truly sympathetic villain is he becomes aware of the tony stark that fought thanos, realises either he was adopted by the dooms, or had he been adopted by the starks he’d prefer that life
That's like undoing the whole character. Just give me regular, simple to Follow Doom.
Yeah it seems like erasing Tony Stark's story.
No it doesn’t if anything it give dual purpose and shows you how differently things can turn out if one things is changed
@@cameronbolden5064but you can do that just by him being a Doom that looks like Tony Stark no? I think it’s an awful idea just let the characters be their own.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
@@donsmith6722 as it should be.
Avengers taking on Victor Von Doom is like a noob taking on the wither in Minecraft with a wooden sword
Money made them come back.Robert Downey Jr came back for money .
Makes perfect sense. In Endgame, the elevator scene with Howard and Howard (lol) Howard tells Tony his wife is expecting and this confuses Tony. If it’s April 7th when you’re speaking to your father in the past and you know your birthday is a month away, it wouldn’t take a genius to figure the rest out. But instead, “Tony” seemed a little more than confused. I would be too if I was born January 19th 1970 and hear that my “mother” is expecting me to be born May 29th 1970. In this time line, she most likely miscarried Tony, then adopted Victor a short time later and raised him as Tony Stark. If miles morales from Earth-42 is a variant of spider man as Prowler, then Earth-616’s Tony stark is both a variant of Victor Von Doom and Dr. Doom the moniker. Instead of having his “spider” taken to another dimension, he had his upbringing upgraded by the Starks. Variant Doom will probably resent Tony Dooms upbringing too.
It's setting up to have the celestial in the ocean will be the god killer suit. He's gonna find out he has a secret brother. It makes sense why he looked confused in endgame when his dad said how far long his mom was.
??? Now I have to rewatch Endgame
Man. Imagine if they kept John Krasinski as Reed Richards and cast Pedro Pascal as Victor von Doom.
Wait so RDJ is actually playing a variant of Dr Doom and not the actual character Dr Doom?
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
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@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 what's so funny?
Variants of characters are those characters still
13:54 ok, I can get with that (the anger)… actually might be a pretty solid storyline to explain away the obvious. And the Spiderman part is something I’ve been saying from the beginning 💯
I hope that RDJ is not the real Doctor Doom.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
It makes sense, even in the comics, I think Tony Stark was revealed as adopted, and Howard Stark's biological son was catatonic or something.
Although there are other stories where Doom swaps consciousness with Stark, and Stark turns Latveria into a Silicon Valley of medical technology.
Im obviously pumped for secret wars. Wish it wasn’t so rushed. Not sure what’s after this lol I guess the reboot and X-men but seems like they are pulling their best card early out of desperation.
At 10:50 you said that Earth-616 is not the sacred timeline, but then at 13:00 you say that it is. This is contradicting. I’m confused. Please explain.
13:32 a Dr disrespect you might say
My only question how would Marvel explain the scene between Tony and his Dad in Endgame? Where is the real Tony Stark? That leaves room to cast another Iron Man 🤔
See if this happens so many people are going to be fucking piss off. Just make Robert Downey Jr. variant of Tony Stark turn into Doom
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Your Tony… your Ironman.
I am your Doom
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Expect for when Tony and Cap went back in time in Endgame. Howard Stark said his wife was pregnant, and it was just about Tony's time of birth
Easily could've been Arno Stark. Look him up if you're not familiar.
@@chillininthebasementit was definitely TONY smh what a lame theory
@@davidjones8043 Look up the story with Arno & get bsck to me when you have the requisite knowledge.
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
@@davidjones8043What if the son died and they’ve adopted a child from Latveria. In the 616 universe Victor is actually Tony, but in the every other universe the variants that look like him are Doom. I mean it doesn’t completely destroy Tony’s past history in the films and adds context to why he would become Doom.
If RDJ was a Doom Variant that would mean the real Tony is somewhere out there in the universe, and could bring us a new Iron Man
So much mental gymnastics for a future flop.
Yeah I don't want to see Tony and Peter story I want something epic.i feel like endgame is overrated it was good initially but infinity war was the better movie. Going back in time was just lazy and Thanos who is OP with the gauntlet is nearly killied for snapping his fingers with it lol like as long as you don't snap your fingers while wearing it you're good
The "Infamous Iron Man" comic already explains everything
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NOT A FAN OF THIS CHOICE💯I GET WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR BUT IMO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE WAS JUST DOOM💯NOT A TONY STARK VARIANT, NOT A RDJ CLONE, BUT JUST DR DOOM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE WITH NO TIES TO ANYTHING WOULDVE BEN BEST IMO💯😮💨BUT ULTIMATELY IM SURE THEY WILL MAKE IT WORK REGARDLESS
My friend I really think normie audience wont get this complicated theory. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Our Tony stark was a clone/son from Dr Doom in other universe. Howard Stark and Reed Richards thought if they were able to raise him, he could be a hero of some kind. Some technomancy and bam, they stranded Dr Doom in Reeds universe and 'Tony stark"(as a kid or sample or whatever) in our main universe. Doom finds this, and fights for his son back. but has to destroy our universe to undo his death.
EDIT: In first avengers movie when Tony went through the portal to space, That is when Doom was able to track him.
Retconing OUR Tony to be a Doom variant is so dumb, at this point they should just cancel everything and reboot
I agree. It will be a lame retcon.
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@13:04 .. Amazing point here. Chef’s kiss. Well done, Josh! 👍
This would be the only way it would make sense
Absolutely love the theory!
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
I just wish they wouldn’t have told us who was playing Doom. The reveal of rdj in theaters would’ve been incredible to experience.
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
How? The Tony we knew was still a hero. It makes perfect sense, and is way better than the idea that Doom is a Stark variant.
It’s not on the eyes of most veiwers people will hate it if they do that
They already hate mom for messing wandas character up imagine them messing the whole history of one of the most popular heroes up
I like this a lot. People wanted Ironman variants in MoM and Deadpool but that never happens, leading credibility to this Doom theory, it will punch the MCU in the gut and that's what Infinity War did but this will be almost worse because it will be harder for fans because we knew infinity stone magic (time travel) would bring back those snapped out of existence.
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Ah, I see this is just like the storyline with Tony, where we find out that Tony isn’t actually a Stark, he was just adopted. The Starks son is Arno a super genius super weapon.
Plz no. This would ruin Tony's arc.
Plz Yes! This is much more good arc for him 😂
I hate when this guy is right 😢😂
Watched the first 30 seconds of this video, paused it to write this comment, and now I’m done with this channel. This is so fucking ridiculous. Must be a very slow news day.
Throw so many shits at the wall and eventually one will stick.
“And that’s what motivated us.” Ah, yes, hundreds of millions of dollars is a powerful motivator.
Lame
He's definitely going to be Infamous Iron Man.
cringe. you can still delete this..
how? bro is giving a theory. he is entitled to it
@@KingAmir34a cringe theory tho 😅
@@dr.richardson2195 how tho? or r u just gonna call it cringe
@@KingAmir34cringe.. am I right?
theres nothing "cringe" about making a theory, especially one that very well could be correct. your comment, however, genuinely is cringe, since you only said it cuz you dislike the theory lmao.
Man u remind me of the boys
Does this have anything to do with the Marvel Rivals plot??
Dr. Doom is going to be a dope character, we (as fans) are all going to root for RDJ even if he's the "villain"... completely different dynamic than the MCU.
When RDJ flew into space to get rid of that nuke... he was hit with some space powers bla blah. Thats the best i got
RDJ as the definitive Dr Doom just killed it
When I'm immediately clicking on a Warstu video, you know you've brought up this same theory tooo many times.
Aha My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Doesn’t matter who the actor is, just excited to see DOOM on the big screen!
One of my favorite lines in Age of Ultron seems so telling..
Tony Stark: And I'm the man who killed the Avengers. I saw it. I didn't tell the team, how could I? I saw them all dead, Nick. I felt it. The whole world, too. It's because of me. I wasn't ready. I didn't do all I could.
Nick Fury: The Maximoff girl, she's working you, Stark. Playing on your fear.
Tony Stark: I wasn't tricked, I was shown. It wasn't a nightmare, it was my legacy. The end of the path I started us on.
One thing that studios don't get (AND DISNEY REALLY DOESN'T GET) is that when fans figure out the overall plot points and they seem satisfying, you DON'T have to scrap it and make something way worse. Several people have pointed out that fan theories sometimes can be to blame why movies turn out bad. This is because the studios think there won't be any interest in a movie people figured out. It's the OPPOSITE. Fans love to be right. Fans love to see the stories they know on screen. Nobody will hate the movie if RDJ turns out to be an alternate version of Tony from another universe. They will hate the movie if that was a good script and it got tossed for a lousey one, just because people figured it out.
also off topic slightly, I see Tony using the gauntlet not as a growth of character type sacrifice, but an egotistical move to be the one who gave his life to save the entire species and be remembered for it as a legend. That is definitely where Tony and Victor would overlap in a ven diagram of the two’s character.
Plot twist: RDJ becomes an oldschool rapper for [as].
The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
I personally love the comic reasoning behind thanos as I believe it is a great representation of how far men will go for love
Iirc, in deadpool and wolverine, the timelines slowly dies when the anchor being is dead, while in Loki, he grabbed a bunch of timelines altogether to allow multiverse to happen, solving the loom problem of having only the sacred timeline by destroying other timelines 🤔 …. Right?
is this a prediction of what you think is going to happen, or a suggestion from you about what you think should happen
Doom wouldn't have a problem with his variant being a hero. Doom is the hero of his own story.
I Agree I have been saying this! And Imagine Morgan Stark Turmoil Not Stark but Morgan DOOM!!