0:28, you have to remember in endgame. Howard tells Tony that he’s about his wife being pregnant (with Tony). Also, that was Tony’s birth year cap and him landed in
I was talking about that the other day Tony looked confused that she was pregnant because it wasnt near his birthday. From what I heard is they tried to have a baby but had a miscarriage. So Howard ended up adopting Tony for her. In the alternate time line he doesn’t get adopted by Howard this time he is born into slavery or poverty making him doom
I think it is the opposite, Doom is a variant of Stark. His motivations would be he is jealous that Stark is in the prime timeline and wants to destroy it.
Nah, there's nothing sympathetic in there, I think it will be Doom's solution to the convergence, and we will sympathize because all he wants to do is save everyone but he's gotta crack a few eggs to make that omelette.
My idea I had was that Tony-Doom was just about the same as Tony-Iron man at least uptil the end of Age of Ultron. There Tony stayed in Sokovia and helped rebuild it with his iron man bots and took scarlet witch under his wing and got interested in her magic. That means everything in that world that took place after that never happend. No civil war, no spider-man mentoring, and when Thanos came, Tony became Dr Doom and effed Thanos up. Of course, I dont think they will go that route. Instead they will have Doom coming from the FF4 verse is what I think
Making Stark a variant of Doom is such a cop out. Honestly, variants themselves are. Everything is a variant these days. Doom deserves to stand as his own character, his own legacy, and the writers need to be able to write a compelling story for it or just not do it. It would be better if they don’t even acknowledge that the characters themselves look alike because they’re played by the same actor.
First off saying variants is a retcon or cop out is wrong because in the comics different characters came back because of the multiverse. The multiverse is way bigger in the comics and i can see why marvel wants them so “dead” characters like iron man dead in one universe we can cast the actor to play it again for money.
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
This is why I've always said that the MCU is not the 616, we can't have a solid timeline without all characters being available, with these crazy combined stories in each film, this is a new timeline, a separate universe
No the main comics timeline starting in the 50s-60s has always been 616 (616 meaning the main and original timeline), marvel just changed it to MCU being 616 because the movies got crazy popular @@timsimpson6019
The biggest Easter egg Marvel gave us about Tony was when his father told him how far along his wife was with her pregnancy. The look on Tonys face said it all that he realized it wasn’t him she was pregnant with.
@ when he was in the basement collecting the teseract. On the way going up his father had flowers and something else for Tony’s mother and then he mentioned how far along his wife was and that’s when Tony had that strange look on his face like it didn’t natch up to when he was born
I hate to even think it but I think they're twins separated at birth and they're going to say the mom's maiden name was von doom or something like that. Could yal imagine?? Wtf?? Hopefully it's closer to Secret Wars 2018, they have all the characters finally, and that comic is fuckin legendary to say the least
When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
I hope theres a sherlock holmes style combat, "catch shield and hurl at hawkeye," "avoid spiders web and elbow to sternum, silence incessant noise," "avoid energy blast and redirect at glowing woman." etc
It's setting up to have the celestial in the ocean will be the god killer suit. He's gonna find out he has a secret brother. It makes sense why he looked confused in endgame when his dad said how far long his mom was.
Take some pretty strong gymnastics to explain that Tony was adopted after his father in end game literally mentioned his mom was pregnant with him. Unless she was having entanglements with Dooms father. The stretching will be wild.
If you watch the scene again Tony looks confused and keeps asking questions, because it doesn’t line up with his own birth date. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on TH-cam where people thought it could be a mention of Arno Stark, Tony’s messed up brother. But now with this theory, it kinda answers that question. Plus the Russo’s made both films so they might’ve slipped that little Easter egg in that scene for this plot line now
I figured it all out right here. Howard stark and maria starks sons name is not tony, it is arno. Their adopted sons name is tony. Also by the way howard stark is mephisto and has been the whole time. Maria couldnt deliver a healthy baby so howard went across the planet for any means of saving his unborn son, they meet a member of an alien race the regillian recorders. The alien explains how they wish to insert one of their own into human society to help technology advance. Howard learns that the aliens inserted a killswitch into the hybrid which howard then neuters with a biococktail. When the baby is born it is healthy for 2 days until complications happen. They know they cannot let the regillian know that howard tampered in the birth so they adopt a son to take arnos place. They name this son tony. Arno is in hospice and has been in hospice in new york this whole time. Tony is the son of mephisto.
Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
@@cameronbolden5064but you can do that just by him being a Doom that looks like Tony Stark no? I think it’s an awful idea just let the characters be their own.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
@ wasn’t tryin to be too heavy in semantics. Basically they have a cause they believe in which isn’t villainy in itself but the way they go about it is
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Im obviously pumped for secret wars. Wish it wasn’t so rushed. Not sure what’s after this lol I guess the reboot and X-men but seems like they are pulling their best card early out of desperation.
Hear me out.. the Starks lost a baby who was meant to grow up and look like Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise was meant to originally play him and maybe cruise will end up playing supreme iron man in secret wars.. because the real Tony Stark is played by Tom Cruise and they adopted a kid from Latveria that is RDJ aka DD
Exactly this is what we need to set expectations for he is going to act his ass off and be Victor von doom nothing at all to do with Tony Stark. They do not need to taint that at all. He will still look completely different but it will be RDJ clearly lol
Watched the first 30 seconds of this video, paused it to write this comment, and now I’m done with this channel. This is so fucking ridiculous. Must be a very slow news day.
Yeah I don't want to see Tony and Peter story I want something epic.i feel like endgame is overrated it was good initially but infinity war was the better movie. Going back in time was just lazy and Thanos who is OP with the gauntlet is nearly killied for snapping his fingers with it lol like as long as you don't snap your fingers while wearing it you're good
I like this a lot. People wanted Ironman variants in MoM and Deadpool but that never happens, leading credibility to this Doom theory, it will punch the MCU in the gut and that's what Infinity War did but this will be almost worse because it will be harder for fans because we knew infinity stone magic (time travel) would bring back those snapped out of existence.
I keep going back to Endgame when Tony helps up Cap and says, "When you mess with time, it tends to mess back... You'll see..." Whether he's Tony or Victor in that moment, he knows more than he's letting on. This has to be a call back in Doomsday!
Aha My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
The comment I was looking for. They say it will be a soft reboot of characters after both big movies. I think we meet the new Tony during secret wars along with the arrival of the mutants
Even without the supposed adoption storyline (which I personally do not buy) there has always been a fully open door for a recast of Iron Man (or any other character) from a different universe. Remember the three Spidermen in the last Spiderman movie? All looked completely different. Or the different-looking Loki Variants in the Loki series. If 10 Tony Stark Variants suddenly showed up, each played by a different actor, no one should be surprised.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
This was an awesome break down. At first glance everyone tired of seeing RDJ and was hoping for a fresh face, but after watching the break down I think it would work and it does makes sense. But also he already use to wearing a mechanical suit, shoots lasers from his hands so that part should come easy to him. His personality is perfect too because they both want to be the best/perfect in every way. But who is supposed to defeat him, with his powers. Spiderman definitely can't do it. And this is why it should of been a different actor because think about it Iron Man vs. Doc Doom now that would be a fight to see.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
@@davidjones8043What if the son died and they’ve adopted a child from Latveria. In the 616 universe Victor is actually Tony, but in the every other universe the variants that look like him are Doom. I mean it doesn’t completely destroy Tony’s past history in the films and adds context to why he would become Doom.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
NOT A FAN OF THIS CHOICE💯I GET WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR BUT IMO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE WAS JUST DOOM💯NOT A TONY STARK VARIANT, NOT A RDJ CLONE, BUT JUST DR DOOM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE WITH NO TIES TO ANYTHING WOULDVE BEN BEST IMO💯😮💨BUT ULTIMATELY IM SURE THEY WILL MAKE IT WORK REGARDLESS
My friend I really think normie audience wont get this complicated theory. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
yeah Idk. I think they're taking the story where Tony and Doom switch bodies and lives in college. To undo the ironman trilogy by saying "hey, this was Victor Von Doom you've been rooting for since day one" is just insane. The fact that the comic story exists is the Occam's razor to all this for now.
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
It explains why Tony when further back to get the tesseract. It was tonys birthday BUT when he asked his father when his wife was due and it wasnt for a few more months he looked confused
One of my favorite lines in Age of Ultron seems so telling.. Tony Stark: And I'm the man who killed the Avengers. I saw it. I didn't tell the team, how could I? I saw them all dead, Nick. I felt it. The whole world, too. It's because of me. I wasn't ready. I didn't do all I could. Nick Fury: The Maximoff girl, she's working you, Stark. Playing on your fear. Tony Stark: I wasn't tricked, I was shown. It wasn't a nightmare, it was my legacy. The end of the path I started us on.
theres nothing "cringe" about making a theory, especially one that very well could be correct. your comment, however, genuinely is cringe, since you only said it cuz you dislike the theory lmao.
Never forget what they did to us with Captain Marvel. "You have to see this movie because it will be crucial for endgame" Told myself after endgame was done, I'd never give that franchise another dime, and I'm standing by it.
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The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
also off topic slightly, I see Tony using the gauntlet not as a growth of character type sacrifice, but an egotistical move to be the one who gave his life to save the entire species and be remembered for it as a legend. That is definitely where Tony and Victor would overlap in a ven diagram of the two’s character.
Remember in endgame, Tony looked confused by the due date his father said to him in the past, that's always stuck with me. Idk if it's got anything to do with anything but it was strange.
Our Tony stark was a clone/son from Dr Doom in other universe. Howard Stark and Reed Richards thought if they were able to raise him, he could be a hero of some kind. Some technomancy and bam, they stranded Dr Doom in Reeds universe and 'Tony stark"(as a kid or sample or whatever) in our main universe. Doom finds this, and fights for his son back. but has to destroy our universe to undo his death. EDIT: In first avengers movie when Tony went through the portal to space, That is when Doom was able to track him.
I wanted a casting like this for so long. It could have been bucky being doom or falcon it didn't matter I wanted same face different task. This is going to be legendary
I like the idea of RDJ was actually meant to be Doom this entire time, and maybe Tom Cruise's Superior Ironman is the true Ironman. And Spiderman being the leader of the Avengers to take on Doom in the next two team-up films sounds like a hit waiting to happen.
Hey Den love your videos but I always liked that Theory that Thanos discovered that Celestials are born from a planet when they get a certain amount of life on it. Hence by doing the snap, he delays that from happening. He never said that was the reason because it was easier to get people to follow him with stated reason. His being an Eternal would make even more sense but he didn't have those extra powers the Eternals have so.... maybe not that
Man, I really dig that idea of Stark being a Doom variant. That will also make Tony Stark that much more special because there would only had been one of him
I think we, ourselves, actually branched off into an alternate universe where RDJ is doom. lol
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Agreed. It Makes More Sense That Way. Then It Will Hit In The Feels.
RDJ was brought back to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's all.
Yup
They still need to make a story tho 😂
@loveandpowereternal117 It doesn't take a writer to understand why he was brought back.
@user-wd8ne5pr4r I guess I'm smarter than you.
Basically...we'll see if it actually works
0:28, you have to remember in endgame. Howard tells Tony that he’s about his wife being pregnant (with Tony). Also, that was Tony’s birth year cap and him landed in
I was just thinking. This video's theory is canon-breaking and makes no sense.
I was talking about that the other day Tony looked confused that she was pregnant because it wasnt near his birthday. From what I heard is they tried to have a baby but had a miscarriage. So Howard ended up adopting Tony for her. In the alternate time line he doesn’t get adopted by Howard this time he is born into slavery or poverty making him doom
@@JoshPetersonso what you are saying is that it will most definitely happen?!
It could just be a variant born to those parents &still end up being a variant...
@@JoshPeterson All things are canon in an infinite multiverse.
I think it is the opposite, Doom is a variant of Stark. His motivations would be he is jealous that Stark is in the prime timeline and wants to destroy it.
Could be, this is had been my personal opinion too, but realistically we have no clue lol.
Nah, there's nothing sympathetic in there, I think it will be Doom's solution to the convergence, and we will sympathize because all he wants to do is save everyone but he's gotta crack a few eggs to make that omelette.
My idea I had was that Tony-Doom was just about the same as Tony-Iron man at least uptil the end of Age of Ultron. There Tony stayed in Sokovia and helped rebuild it with his iron man bots and took scarlet witch under his wing and got interested in her magic. That means everything in that world that took place after that never happend. No civil war, no spider-man mentoring, and when Thanos came, Tony became Dr Doom and effed Thanos up.
Of course, I dont think they will go that route. Instead they will have Doom coming from the FF4 verse is what I think
@@Delta9ChurchYeah since it’s the sacred timeline he just needs to save and conquer this one to survive. Not hard to understand at all.
Making Stark a variant of Doom is such a cop out. Honestly, variants themselves are. Everything is a variant these days. Doom deserves to stand as his own character, his own legacy, and the writers need to be able to write a compelling story for it or just not do it. It would be better if they don’t even acknowledge that the characters themselves look alike because they’re played by the same actor.
I agree it is a lame retcon.
I agree. Doom should've been the focus after Endgame. He is the sort of villian you build up slowly.
First off saying variants is a retcon or cop out is wrong because in the comics different characters came back because of the multiverse. The multiverse is way bigger in the comics and i can see why marvel wants them so “dead” characters like iron man dead in one universe we can cast the actor to play it again for money.
Eww.. let's hope not
Also there is a story arc that iron man is victor von doom and tony is doom soo we might be getting that story
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
@@thanerosfacts I even think it time to recast black panther
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
I feel you bro :/ Fuck the old Disney ceo he ruined everything
How old are you if you don’t mind me asking
This is why I've always said that the MCU is not the 616, we can't have a solid timeline without all characters being available, with these crazy combined stories in each film, this is a new timeline, a separate universe
Interesting
Except it’s literally confirmed the mcu is 616 lol.
@@timsimpson6019 😅 we never know... What if, yes WHAT IF it's all part of the plan tho 😊
No the main comics timeline starting in the 50s-60s has always been 616 (616 meaning the main and original timeline), marvel just changed it to MCU being 616 because the movies got crazy popular @@timsimpson6019
The MCU is supposed to be Earth 199999 according to Marvel Comics but in the MCU itself the call it 616 which is fucking stupid.
Henry Cavill as Mister Sinister BECAUSE he was Superman.
He would make such a great Sinister
@@ashackatak finally, the brains are showing up in the conversation.
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Good choice 👍 but I’ve always prefer Jon Hamm playing Nathaniel Essex aka Mr Sinister
The biggest Easter egg Marvel gave us about Tony was when his father told him how far along his wife was with her pregnancy. The look on Tonys face said it all that he realized it wasn’t him she was pregnant with.
Wait, what??? Please explain, and I’m being so genuine right now 🍿🍿🍿
That, I can't remember which part it was in though.
@ when he was in the basement collecting the teseract. On the way going up his father had flowers and something else for Tony’s mother and then he mentioned how far along his wife was and that’s when Tony had that strange look on his face like it didn’t natch up to when he was born
I hate to even think it but I think they're twins separated at birth and they're going to say the mom's maiden name was von doom or something like that. Could yal imagine?? Wtf??
Hopefully it's closer to Secret Wars 2018, they have all the characters finally, and that comic is fuckin legendary to say the least
Bro is REACHING with this one
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When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
Who was surprised? There was no surprise. The father didn’t know how far along she was by months, only by size. That’s no indication of adoption.
@@WawaMarvel the timing seemed to Surprise Tony.
Tony's reaction to that always bothered me. We was very surprised
Doesn’t Tony have a brother? Maybe in Endgame Howard was talking about the brother, not Tony
I hope theres a sherlock holmes style combat,
"catch shield and hurl at hawkeye,"
"avoid spiders web and elbow to sternum, silence incessant noise,"
"avoid energy blast and redirect at glowing woman."
etc
It's setting up to have the celestial in the ocean will be the god killer suit. He's gonna find out he has a secret brother. It makes sense why he looked confused in endgame when his dad said how far long his mom was.
??? Now I have to rewatch Endgame
This would actually be a great reasoning! Great job, hopefully this is similar to what we get! 🔥
Take some pretty strong gymnastics to explain that Tony was adopted after his father in end game literally mentioned his mom was pregnant with him. Unless she was having entanglements with Dooms father. The stretching will be wild.
If you watch the scene again Tony looks confused and keeps asking questions, because it doesn’t line up with his own birth date. There’s a whole bunch of stuff on TH-cam where people thought it could be a mention of Arno Stark, Tony’s messed up brother. But now with this theory, it kinda answers that question. Plus the Russo’s made both films so they might’ve slipped that little Easter egg in that scene for this plot line now
I figured it all out right here. Howard stark and maria starks sons name is not tony, it is arno. Their adopted sons name is tony. Also by the way howard stark is mephisto and has been the whole time. Maria couldnt deliver a healthy baby so howard went across the planet for any means of saving his unborn son, they meet a member of an alien race the regillian recorders. The alien explains how they wish to insert one of their own into human society to help technology advance. Howard learns that the aliens inserted a killswitch into the hybrid which howard then neuters with a biococktail. When the baby is born it is healthy for 2 days until complications happen. They know they cannot let the regillian know that howard tampered in the birth so they adopt a son to take arnos place. They name this son tony. Arno is in hospice and has been in hospice in new york this whole time. Tony is the son of mephisto.
Money made them come back.Robert Downey Jr came back for money .
The mustache made him a hero!
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Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
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@@ThePorterStyle Yes. Thank you.
Too True, only Arno's DNA could activate the special battle suit I think.
@@ThePorterStyle also in the 616 comics Tony is adopted.
Ever hear of a miscarriage?
@13:04 .. Amazing point here. Chef’s kiss. Well done, Josh! 👍
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
I Agree I have been saying this! And Imagine Morgan Stark Turmoil Not Stark but Morgan DOOM!!
If iron man was always dr doom how come nobody ever talked about but now?
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This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
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And erasing doom or turning him into a hero made it easier for him because Doom would have made 💩 very difficult lol Hall Of Fame Crash Out lmao
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That would be fitting! Disney is giving the HERO of the MCU the good ol’ Luke Skywalker treatment😢
Green milk straight from the giant cow giraffe critter's tits... 😂
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Yo that prediction at the end is actually raw. Way to contemplate
That's like undoing the whole character. Just give me regular, simple to Follow Doom.
Yeah it seems like erasing Tony Stark's story.
No it doesn’t if anything it give dual purpose and shows you how differently things can turn out if one things is changed
@@cameronbolden5064but you can do that just by him being a Doom that looks like Tony Stark no? I think it’s an awful idea just let the characters be their own.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
@@donsmith6722 as it should be.
I find myself way more excited for this era after seeing this, thank you for giving me hope 😂
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
OMG, I would love your story to be true, this is the way! Fantastic video Josh! Can't wait for next ones.
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
If it was survival of the fittest he wouldn’t have said the snap would be “indiscriminate”
@ wasn’t tryin to be too heavy in semantics. Basically they have a cause they believe in which isn’t villainy in itself but the way they go about it is
This was a good one!
See if this happens so many people are going to be fucking piss off. Just make Robert Downey Jr. variant of Tony Stark turn into Doom
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
I just wish they wouldn’t have told us who was playing Doom. The reveal of rdj in theaters would’ve been incredible to experience.
Im obviously pumped for secret wars. Wish it wasn’t so rushed. Not sure what’s after this lol I guess the reboot and X-men but seems like they are pulling their best card early out of desperation.
Hear me out.. the Starks lost a baby who was meant to grow up and look like Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise was meant to originally play him and maybe cruise will end up playing supreme iron man in secret wars.. because the real Tony Stark is played by Tom Cruise and they adopted a kid from Latveria that is RDJ aka DD
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That would be ridiculous. We are just trying to fit things in. He’s a different person like Jonny storm
Exactly this is what we need to set expectations for he is going to act his ass off and be Victor von doom nothing at all to do with Tony Stark. They do not need to taint that at all. He will still look completely different but it will be RDJ clearly lol
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I personally love the comic reasoning behind thanos as I believe it is a great representation of how far men will go for love
Watched the first 30 seconds of this video, paused it to write this comment, and now I’m done with this channel. This is so fucking ridiculous. Must be a very slow news day.
Throw so many shits at the wall and eventually one will stick.
My brain isn't braining anymore in order to watch and understand the next avengers movie...
So much mental gymnastics for a future flop.
Yeah I don't want to see Tony and Peter story I want something epic.i feel like endgame is overrated it was good initially but infinity war was the better movie. Going back in time was just lazy and Thanos who is OP with the gauntlet is nearly killied for snapping his fingers with it lol like as long as you don't snap your fingers while wearing it you're good
That would be a slap in the fans’ faces
Disney is flushing Marvel down the toilet.
Just like starwars
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Grow up.
That and they can’t even keep up with themselves. They’re trying to do a star wars type releasing and they’re dropping the ball.
I like this a lot. People wanted Ironman variants in MoM and Deadpool but that never happens, leading credibility to this Doom theory, it will punch the MCU in the gut and that's what Infinity War did but this will be almost worse because it will be harder for fans because we knew infinity stone magic (time travel) would bring back those snapped out of existence.
In the The Ultimates comics Tony Stark is Kang!
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@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019 Yes
@@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019right did you look it up
Filling us full of hype as usual Josh ❤
I keep going back to Endgame when Tony helps up Cap and says, "When you mess with time, it tends to mess back... You'll see..." Whether he's Tony or Victor in that moment, he knows more than he's letting on. This has to be a call back in Doomsday!
When I'm immediately clicking on a Warstu video, you know you've brought up this same theory tooo many times.
Aha My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
So when Tony went back to the 70s and met Howard and Howard was talking about his wife being pregnant, that wasn't Tony? Who was it?
Arno Stark.
Lost the pregnancy?
@@samagog Arno Stark. Look him up.
Yall looking into this too much. All they gonna do is try to make sense of this casting. Nothing in past movies is a hint to now
@WawaMarvel Bruh. References, or connective tissue, is exactly how the MCU works.
The more you (and the live stream chat) got on this theory the better it sounds.
That also leaves the door open for a recast of iron man that comes from another universe where a real Tony Stark was born.
The comment I was looking for. They say it will be a soft reboot of characters after both big movies. I think we meet the new Tony during secret wars along with the arrival of the mutants
Wow that would be cool asf❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Tom Cruise has his chance now.
Tom Cruise.
Even without the supposed adoption storyline (which I personally do not buy) there has always been a fully open door for a recast of Iron Man (or any other character) from a different universe.
Remember the three Spidermen in the last Spiderman movie? All looked completely different. Or the different-looking Loki Variants in the Loki series. If 10 Tony Stark Variants suddenly showed up, each played by a different actor, no one should be surprised.
Ok, huge Dr. Doom fanboy, and I hated this idea… until you explained it. Now I love this idea 😂
That's gonna make recasting tony stark so much easier.
Thought the same thing exactly
@@DeviIGundamit’s a great idea
I'm up for it. I just hope they keep him in his mask for majority of it. I loved when thor had house helmet on for the 1 min of the first movie.
Wait so RDJ is actually playing a variant of Dr Doom not the actual character Dr Doom?
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
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@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 what's so funny?
This was an awesome break down. At first glance everyone tired of seeing RDJ and was hoping for a fresh face, but after watching the break down I think it would work and it does makes sense. But also he already use to wearing a mechanical suit, shoots lasers from his hands so that part should come easy to him. His personality is perfect too because they both want to be the best/perfect in every way. But who is supposed to defeat him, with his powers. Spiderman definitely can't do it. And this is why it should of been a different actor because think about it Iron Man vs. Doc Doom now that would be a fight to see.
I hope that RDJ is not the real Doctor Doom.
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
Makes sense why Ironman had crazy nightmares
Expect for when Tony and Cap went back in time in Endgame. Howard Stark said his wife was pregnant, and it was just about Tony's time of birth
Easily could've been Arno Stark. Look him up if you're not familiar.
@@chillininthebasementit was definitely TONY smh what a lame theory
@@davidjones8043 Look up the story with Arno & get bsck to me when you have the requisite knowledge.
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
@@davidjones8043What if the son died and they’ve adopted a child from Latveria. In the 616 universe Victor is actually Tony, but in the every other universe the variants that look like him are Doom. I mean it doesn’t completely destroy Tony’s past history in the films and adds context to why he would become Doom.
RDJ as the definitive Dr Doom just killed it
This would be the only way it would make sense
Absolutely love the theory!
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
On point with everything you said.
NOT A FAN OF THIS CHOICE💯I GET WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR BUT IMO IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE WAS JUST DOOM💯NOT A TONY STARK VARIANT, NOT A RDJ CLONE, BUT JUST DR DOOM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE WITH NO TIES TO ANYTHING WOULDVE BEN BEST IMO💯😮💨BUT ULTIMATELY IM SURE THEY WILL MAKE IT WORK REGARDLESS
My friend I really think normie audience wont get this complicated theory. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
yeah Idk. I think they're taking the story where Tony and Doom switch bodies and lives in college. To undo the ironman trilogy by saying "hey, this was Victor Von Doom you've been rooting for since day one" is just insane. The fact that the comic story exists is the Occam's razor to all this for now.
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
How? The Tony we knew was still a hero. It makes perfect sense, and is way better than the idea that Doom is a Stark variant.
It’s not on the eyes of most veiwers people will hate it if they do that
They already hate mom for messing wandas character up imagine them messing the whole history of one of the most popular heroes up
If your theory isn't in the script, we're gonna revolt. This is perfect.
Retconing OUR Tony to be a Doom variant is so dumb, at this point they should just cancel everything and reboot
I agree. It will be a lame retcon.
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They could pull it off
Plz no. This would ruin Tony's arc.
Plz Yes! This is much more good arc for him 😂
When they are in the lift retrieving the Tesseract. Tony got confused over the birthday and how far Howard Stark said the baby was.
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I love this theory, except for one part: they're replacing Reed Richards for Peter Parker.
Lame
It explains why Tony when further back to get the tesseract. It was tonys birthday BUT when he asked his father when his wife was due and it wasnt for a few more months he looked confused
I don't like this THEORY at all . Just make doom a variant of Stark
Doom should've been cast by a different actor. Doom was brought back out of desperation.
One of my favorite lines in Age of Ultron seems so telling..
Tony Stark: And I'm the man who killed the Avengers. I saw it. I didn't tell the team, how could I? I saw them all dead, Nick. I felt it. The whole world, too. It's because of me. I wasn't ready. I didn't do all I could.
Nick Fury: The Maximoff girl, she's working you, Stark. Playing on your fear.
Tony Stark: I wasn't tricked, I was shown. It wasn't a nightmare, it was my legacy. The end of the path I started us on.
cringe. you can still delete this..
how? bro is giving a theory. he is entitled to it
@@KingAmir34a cringe theory tho 😅
@@dr.richardson2195 how tho? or r u just gonna call it cringe
@@KingAmir34cringe.. am I right?
theres nothing "cringe" about making a theory, especially one that very well could be correct. your comment, however, genuinely is cringe, since you only said it cuz you dislike the theory lmao.
No way they replacing Kang with Doom...bro is literally doing Tropic Thunder 2
Never forget what they did to us with Captain Marvel. "You have to see this movie because it will be crucial for endgame"
Told myself after endgame was done, I'd never give that franchise another dime, and I'm standing by it.
The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
That actually sounds intriguing...
I love this theory, would definitely help explain why he looks the same
My friend I really think normie audience wont get it. I think the best way is Doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. RDJ will make history playing one of the greatest heros and then the greatest villain. He will out due Thonos He will just have the same face as Stark because he is from a different Universe. Deadpool and Wolverine set the standard perfectly when we got hyped to see Cap for a second but it was Jonny Storm . Thats it 🤞👊 we still get Peter parker being hesitant to fight his Mentor
also off topic slightly, I see Tony using the gauntlet not as a growth of character type sacrifice, but an egotistical move to be the one who gave his life to save the entire species and be remembered for it as a legend. That is definitely where Tony and Victor would overlap in a ven diagram of the two’s character.
Your theory actually makes sense
Remember in endgame, Tony looked confused by the due date his father said to him in the past, that's always stuck with me. Idk if it's got anything to do with anything but it was strange.
I think we forgot that originally the multiverse saga was going to have Kang as the lead villain
Our Tony stark was a clone/son from Dr Doom in other universe. Howard Stark and Reed Richards thought if they were able to raise him, he could be a hero of some kind. Some technomancy and bam, they stranded Dr Doom in Reeds universe and 'Tony stark"(as a kid or sample or whatever) in our main universe. Doom finds this, and fights for his son back. but has to destroy our universe to undo his death.
EDIT: In first avengers movie when Tony went through the portal to space, That is when Doom was able to track him.
I wanted a casting like this for so long. It could have been bucky being doom or falcon it didn't matter I wanted same face different task. This is going to be legendary
I like the idea of RDJ was actually meant to be Doom this entire time, and maybe Tom Cruise's Superior Ironman is the true Ironman. And Spiderman being the leader of the Avengers to take on Doom in the next two team-up films sounds like a hit waiting to happen.
Hey Den love your videos but I always liked that Theory that Thanos discovered that Celestials are born from a planet when they get a certain amount of life on it. Hence by doing the snap, he delays that from happening. He never said that was the reason because it was easier to get people to follow him with stated reason. His being an Eternal would make even more sense but he didn't have those extra powers the Eternals have so.... maybe not that
I still love this theory🤗
I really like this idea. That moment in Endgame when he questions his dad about how far along his pregnant mother is. He got a vague answer
It’s a cool theory. We’ll wait and see
Wow this is a crazy theory I can’t wait to see if it’s right ❤️🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥
Man, I really dig that idea of Stark being a Doom variant. That will also make Tony Stark that much more special because there would only had been one of him
Tony Stark was born to his parents. The time travel date in end game was the day of Tony's birth.
endgame when tony met his father , his dad told him that "my wife is expecting", shows tony was born not adopted.........
That's a dope theory