Pedestrian Causes Death of Cyclist Through 'Hostile Gesticulation' | Auriol Grey Case Analysis
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As soon as I read the title I started speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.
Sometimes it be like that
@@five12man Karens gotta Karen.
Did you also not diagnose anybody?
I appreciate that you are not diagnosing anybody here and only speculating.
@@DearDextra only speculating
I know this woman. She came to our town one day and berated anyone who was walking and using their phones. She took it upon herself to police the sidewalks. It landed her in jail. I'll always remember her for screaming at me what a "little bastard" I was.
Dain bramage she has.
Obviouslhy, she had a lot of pent up hate.
Yeah! I have to get out of the way of people looking at their phones. They aren’t watching where they are going. Then they look up and glare at you for daring to be on the sidewalk at the same time as them.
Were you ?
@@joyandrews3804 Nothing a stiff elbow wouldn't cure, when I see people walk across the street glued to their phone they don't realize so are the people driving cars.
I don't ride a bike anymore. If you ride in the street, you battle vehicles, if you ride on sidewalks you deal with angry pedestrians. There's really no place for bikes anymore.
To be fair, bicycles were an outdated mode of transport about 100 years ago. It's illegal to cycle on the pavement.
How about, idk, bike paths???????
Ever hear of a bike lane?
They’re called ✨bike lanes✨ if you and the other cyclists care so much then petition the city, especially if you live in a city that wasn’t originally built for bicycle traffic. I’ve seen an accident caused by a cyclist who was on a curvy 45 mph road and a driver had to come to a screeching halt behind him. They really have no place in sidewalks, as they are full of strollers and pets and need to be clear for wheelchairs. This lady was dead wrong but the incident would have been prevented with a proper bike lane. The city is washing their hands of responsibility by charging a mentally ill person.
@@Hawthorneheights888 You must live in fantasy, those Bike lanes are even more dangerous, Cars treat bikers just as bad as motorcycles.
Notice how the pedestrian was walking in the middle of the "pavement" and making no attempt to share the sidewalk. To me, this showed an attitude of "owning" the whole of the sidewalk, and a clear intent that she was not about to give the cyclist room - and had every intention blocking her and/or forcing her into the street. Then, as the cyclist passed, she very clearly "assisted" her into traffic. There was plenty of room for both ladies, but no, this "entitled" pedestrian was going to make a point - with deadly consequences. Then, she fled the scene with wanton disregard for the injury she caused and then lied to police. She deserves a lot more than three years IMHO.
Celia needed to slow down in this situation.
Blaming the lobotimized handicapped lady lmao
You stop your bike when in doubt
@@rickytarkowski6564clearly, but that does not change the clear intention of Auriol to cause harm.
Doesn't matter! That makes her guilty of being an asshole, not a murderer!
The one major point that to me appears mostly overlooked is she's lobotomized. Just because she can articulate morality doesn't mean she has the impulse control to adhere to it or the ability to predict the outcome of an action. In my opinion, her history of behavioral problems suggests she needs far more supervision than she receives.
My family is friends with a family who has two sons that have under developed frontal lobes. They are great fellows but lack serious impulse control and need constant supervision.
Agreed. She is not mentally capable of understanding the implications of her actions, and subsequent incidents reinforce this assumption.
One thing that does seem for sure, she needs more supervision for the safety of all, including herself.
Agree! I also think that she walks around in self defense mode because of the bullying. Not because she lacks empathy. People who have to live with that disability often develop that self defense mode because of being bullied at school or whatever. It’s really sad that people can’t see that their mentality is not the same as ours. 😞
Sad, but the family of the victim would not agree.
The elderly cyclist was a retired midwife, she spent her whole life helping people for it to end so awfully, so very sad ❤
why does her job have anything to do with it. The peestrian was mobility impaired. The biker was on the sidewalk.
In my view she had poor control over the bike and shouldn't have been riding it in the first place
So it was a normally nice person who was illegally riding down a sidewalk being a menace in a road-only vehicle? Okay and? If I skydive into an electrical transformer, do I get to sue the power company as long as I opened an orphanage earlier in life?
The cyclist CHOSE to be on the footpath, CHOSE to not look knowing it a busy road, she caused her own death, HOW does a WAVE BE CAUSE OF SOME ELSE DECISIONS?????????
@@serasmiles2 minimal patience/tolerance was all that was needed. But that woman could not muster an iota tolerance. An evil woman. The fact that she left says all.
The fact that she just walked off to go shopping. Doesn't sound like she had any remorse.
SHE WAS LOBOTOMISED
That's like saying someone should have remorse after swatting a fly
What does that even mean? Are you calling the cyclist a fly? That's pretty dehumanizing.
Remorse for what? Pointing with her finger? What's there to feel bad about the other person fell over all by themself.
@@starboard9551 She reached her hand infront of the cyclist causing her swerve into traffic. Her irrational actions resulted in someone death.
Those on here defending Auriol by saying 'it's illegal to ride on the pavement' may technically be correct. However, it's also illegal to protest in the middle of the road, but drivers can't just mow them down, can they?
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They can in Texas
@@mrstatictunes and florida it encouraged
As an avid cyclist, whenever I feel uncertain about safety, I slow to a stop, for my own safety.
I don't condemn Celia, but I would have stopped, waited for Arial to pass, then rode away.
This is the right thing to do.
@mikyl-fo8rh, I'm a cyclist also. I see your point and I might have done the same thing as you. But if I was walking and I saw a bicycle, even though I know I have the right away, I still would just move over, seems like there was plenty of room for both of them on the sidewalk.
@@tomruth9487 me too
was just saying same thing after watching this - mind you, the benefit of hindsight is 20-20 vision. The poor lady victim was prob unaware until she got too close to danger.
@@tomruth9487 yep
Having the right of way doesn't grant you the right to put other people at risk. The fact Auriol causally walked off and went shopping after someone died proves she has no empathy after what she did.
Perhaps - but she is mentally disabled, which may explain her cognitive inability to realise the seriousness of the incident.
There was plenty of space for both of them on the sideway. She clearly walks right into the cyclist's path. She might not have been intending to killer her, but she certain did not care if the cyclist was killed or badly injured. Not to mention the trauma she inflicted on the unfortunate driver. 😢
Good analysis. Well said.
@@sugarspice7768 The side walk is for pedestrians, the cyclist should have gone around the individual with the legally established right of way, the cyclist choose not to and Darwin stepped in and said 'buh bye'.....
@@MrBilly235 Cyclists are pedestrians and need to stay off the road. You must neither cycle or drive where cyclists are. Cycling in the road is extremely dangerous for cyclists as well as drivers having to maneuver around someone going 1/9th their speed. If they are ever actually banned from sidewalks then they should just not be allowed anywhere. Bye bye environment.
She was "flinching" out long before the lady came close to her, and then she left the scene when the victim was hit.
Grey is a cold hearted horrible woman with aggression issues.
You never know what people are going to do! She's walking in the CENTER of the sidewalk, acting like she owns it.
The pedestrian made deliberate contact with the cyclist. As a result of that, the cyclist rode off the sidewalk and crashed into the street where she was hit by a motor vehicle and died on the scene. Meanwhile the pedestrian simply walked away. The pedestrian caused the unnecessary death.
The cyclist could have stopped or swerved away from traffic and been on her way. Aggressive finger wagging!
@@darthmcgee2216Could she? Evidently not.
The video is clear in showing the cyclist lost her balance and fell into the road prior to the pedestrian making physical contact with her. I'm not defending the pedestrian, who I do believe at least contributed to the cyclist's death, but to suggest that the physical contact is why the cyclist fell is simply false and contradictory to the video footage.
Nice theory. But even the prosecution didn't consider the contact relevant. And very unclear if it was deliberate.
@@skyhawk_4526 It is truly remarkable, the people claiming the cyclist was "pushed," or the pedestrian "walked into" the cyclists path. The video apparently means nothing to them. One wonders how the human brain works sometimes, and God save us if they ever get called as a juror.
People often say, he/she/they will have to "live with that for the rest of their lives". A silly auto response,
given so many ppl today, can careless of others. She went grocery shopping afterwards, didn't stay around,
didn't try to help, didn't care. So "she" will have little to no problems the rest of her life!
I thought that when he said it. We have no way of knowing what's going on in Auriel's mind.
He also said she had cognitive impairment so how can we assume she makes reasonable decisions?
depends on the person
Yeah, she immediately went on living with that act in her life to the groceries immediately afterwards.
She care when the day comes where she in a government nursing home where they just as careless as she is. Glad she served time in jail even though it wasn’t the full sentence.
If I’m riding my bicycle at age 77, you better not be hostile to me! 🌵
There was ample room for her to move to her right. She caused the death of that woman and should have been charged.
Was there ample room? In the video, it appeared they met at a narrower portion of the walkway due to a post (lamp post?).
She def sought for a confrontation and conflict. If I fear being hit by a bicycle, i will def not step infront of it.
A: a pedestrian has right of way and does not need to move to the side. B: cycling on the sidewalk is illegal in London so she shouldnt have been there in the first place.
@@PaulStevens-se9lc Sleeping on the streets is also illegal in Britain so I guess I can shove the homeless into traffic as well then?
@@Fuzzira You make a good point. Sidewalks are more than 7 feet wide, that pedestrian could have easily side stepped to let the cyclist past but, no she had to do the homicidal dog act & force the cyclist to her death
When my mother was alive in her last two years I lived with her. She was a horrible person and she felt she had to be the sickest person anywhere (but she would spend her days gambling or shopping). One day I took her grocery shopping and at the store there was another old woman who was using a walker. As we went through the store she obsessively bitched about what a show that woman with the walker was putting on for others and how she (my mother) had way worse health than her. Later as we passed the old woman who was looking at hot dogs my mother (who was now about 25 feet away from me) walked up behind her and without warning lunged forward and checked her right in the back forcing her to faceplant into the hot dog sections. She said "excuse me" and then walked off with a smile. The old woman didn't appear to be hurt (was immediately helped up) and we walked off. Just another in a long line of psychopathic busts of evil that she unleashed over her life. It doesn't surprise me at all that this horrible old woman thought nothing about killing a vulnerable victim. Who knows how many deaths attributed as accidents or unknown causes each one of these evil people wrack up in their lifetime. How a person does one thing is how they do everything. I doubt she killed just once.
Too few of us are mindful that our actions impact others. Some of us don’t care. Sorry about your life with a difficult mother.
So sorry you know people CAN truly be evil from such personal experience. Keep sharing your story though. I think it's important for the people trying to distance themselves from reality.
Sending 💓
So sorry to hear you had a mother like that, seems like you are a good person, i wish you well..
Thanks Dan, i really enjoyed your story !! Which is probably why i am on this channel. Also i am truly relieved hotdog lady was ok 😁
My sister works in a nursing home & she says that dementia type symptoms make a persons personality go to the opposite.
So the once kind & benevolent person turns into a bitchy witch that the family members are shocked seeing because he never showered malevolence in their lives ever
To clarify, in the UK, it is illegal to cycle on the pavement. However, in practice, the law isn't typically enforced. In my opinion, we should show some patience and kindness, especially to more vulnerable cyclists such as the old or the very young.
Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835 states that bikes are legally allowed to be ridden on the sidewalk/pavement in the UK.
Were I live in Canada, it is ilegal for anyone over 18 to ride a bike on a sidewalk. For example, I was walking by my local library, and a man who was in his 30-40 was ridding a bike one handed on the sidealk and using his phone with the other. He was bikeing directly towards a woman with a newborn in a carage. I jumped in, and the guy hit me with his bike wheel a few feet infort of the woman. If i was not so furious, I would have got his details to report him. But i was just happy the baby was safe. He, under my local laws, could be charged with a few crimes. Assult ans battery being some. I have knowticed that it is 90% men who are obviously over 18 on the sidewalks in my town. And cuaseing the issues I see. (I walk a lot). Inthink we should have plates on bikes like with cars. To report issues. My town also y many bike lanes not part of the road and places for bike ridders. So there is no excuse.
I don't like the idea of bikes on sidewalks but I really don't like the idea of children and seniors riding in the road, especially a road like this with no shoulders.
It is fully legal for, in the UK children to ride on the pavement up to the age of 10. No other age concessions are available. So a new law for OAP cyclists would be a great idea.
In this case, the police could not clarify whether that particular stretch of pavement was a shared use cycle/foot path or not. Of course, if it wasn't then it would've added some weight to the argument. I'm presuming that there may have been some sparsely positioned signage. Probably in such a way that it is difficult to determine where it starts and finishes'. that pavement would've been adequate, by the width. I've seen some shared use paths where it was difficult to even walk past somebody so cycling was impossible to do safely.
@@pariacanyon Whoopsie daisy . "Cycling on the footway in England and Wales is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888."
Extraordinary how many people seem completely unable to distinguish between "I don't like this person" and "this person violated the law".
I think there's quite a bit of 'I don't like this person who clearly violated the law' TBH, and that's taking away from the sympathy that might have helped with the debate of intent....
Pushing old ladies into oncoming traffic is in fact violating the law here in the UK believe it or not.
Hum isn’t killing someone violating the law where you live? Do you think that she didn’t know that making her fall in the traffic would probably kill her?…
@@Devi_Seona it seems that this person is not capable of knowing the difference. That's why she continued on her way, having no clue what she'd caused
A 77-year-old woman shouldn't be riding a bike near traffic. But Auriol is a mean nasty person.
Under English law, a person is guilty of involuntary manslaughter when he or she intends an unlawful act that is likely to do harm to the person, and death results which was neither foreseen nor intended. Assault covers a range of actions, from using threatening words to a severe physical attack that leaves the victim permanently disabled. 0:30
I was in Aurea’s corner until she left the scene. That is horrific to me. To leave a woman hit by a car in the street right next to you is callous beyond belief.
I felt this way too, but I think technically, she didn't commit a crime. She seems like a terrible person, but I don't think she's a criminal.
Her heartless decision to leave is irrelevant to the accident and shouldn’t be a factor.
The fact is the old lady fell because she had terrible balance and made poor decisions.
She could have slowed down. Come to a complete stop. Gotten off her bike and walk. Turn around. Ride on the street. Aureas actions would not cause a healthy biker to fall onto the street. A healthy biker would have also made the right choices to not be in a position where they could become unbalanced and fall. This is a classic woman moment of “look what you made me do”. Zero accountability for making the wrong choices and having bad balance. Cars are expected to be mindful of bikers on the street. And bikers are expected to be mindful of pedestrians on sidewalks. It’s not Aurea’s fault the old lady overreacted to the hand gestures. And if the hand gestures were to bad, why did she not stop sooner. Aurea’s only found guilty because she was a rude person. But she’s entitled to be rude it’s her god given right damnit 😤 🇺🇸
@@rumchata6569
I agree to a point but she stayed in the cyclist's path on purpose and waved her hand at her, as if to push her away, knowing there was traffic just on the other side of her. That makes her partly responsible for the cyclist falling over into traffic. Yes, the cyclist should've stopped after seeing how crazy the pedestrian was behaving but maybe she thought she could get around her.
It was a power trip, or in this case a power push. With a duping delight grin, the perp then went shopping. Somebody paid for her life of Misery.
Zero understanding for any accident or struggle the woman on the bike may have been having with her bike? Its like a car pulling over for a problem and someone being able to kick it back into traffic.
it's so tragic. imagine choosing to ride on the sidewalk to avoid being hit by a car, only to end up being hit by a car because you rode on the sidewalk.
Murphy’s law
Bikes aren't supposed to be on sidewalks. If you can't ride on the street, then you shouldn't be riding at all.
I agree this is a very challenging case. I believe she acted inappropriately however I do think accusing her of manslaughter is a stretch. You are correct as a former UK resident I can testify that there is a big feud between cyclist and pedestrians.
@@johndrake3472 it's not that cyclists can't ride in the street. it's that they might die in the street. lol. safety trumps law.
It's called a "pavement" and it is not legal to cycle on in the UK.
How on earth can a case get to court and no one be able to figure out what the law actually is?
Exactly 💯
"Show me the person, I'll figure out a crime."
She's 100% guilty. There was more then enough room for her to step aside. These people 100% know what they are doing.
It is called "buzzing" and it is illegal in the states but it often isnt enforced by police so murderers goes unpunished
Auriol stated in an interview that she “touched her” … so she actually made contact with the bicyclist causing her to fall into the road. Any rational person on the sidewalk would self-preserve and move to the side if they really felt a threat. But I guess you just don’t know who’s missing a portion of their brain.
Not. She said she may have touched her with fingertips.
Either way, stay off the sidewalk while riding a bike
Exactly
That's a lie. Her fingers touching the victim did not cause her to fall, she would have fallen exactly the same if Auriol's fingers hadn't have touched while she was doing "move aside" gestures.
The prosecutor's wording is crafted to be misleading as hell, and to make Auriol sound as awful as possible so people will even think of their own way to interpret in his favour. Dr Grande included a few of the prosecutor's doosies, he basically treated it like a "manipulate the jury" challenge to get a conviction on a technicality.
It's not for nothing that Auriol's appeal succeeded and that the prosecutor was also outright denied the chance to retry the case at all.
If someone can cause you to fall into traffic with a fingertip you shouldn’t be riding a bike. Sorry. That’s ridiculous
I got the impression that her shouting "get off the fu$#ing pavement and waving her hand intimidated Cecilia that Aureila was going to maybe strike her - causing her to lose balance and fall.
I hate cases like this. Neither party was without fault and now a person is dead. Also spare a thought for the driver of the car. Such a tragic accident.
She could see the cars coming, she's not that incapacitated if she is out walking.
Cold and callous to leave and go shopping.
Poor driver.
She affected the life of two others with her madness.
@@rosec6680 my thought is either way she’s dangerous right? Either maliciously or due to her mental incapacity, the result was the same, someone died. What else will she “accidentally” do roaming free in public?
yea, and that driver has to pay for it too, im sure no one else had insurance.
It's a shared space. Legally. Celia was well within her rights to cycle there.
Best comment here.
I have 2 friends that had strokes and it completely changed their personalities
1 had always been a very helpful person before that was always there for everyone in their time of need to being a very combative and only sees things from what’s best for him, it’s very frustrating to everyone around him including his wife that has been considering divorce
The other one has become the complete opposite of this that is always there for everyone
Head injuries are very hard for everyone involved
So true❤
Where I live, it's illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, but the penalty isn't death.
Riding in the street is always risking injury. I've been cut off by cars, crashing in one instance,- the driver took off - and having my hand bruised by the door handle of a car as a teen. That driver stopped, but I asked him to leave me alone.
Do a video about Samuel Landis, the DEA agent that intentionally ran a stop sign. He hit Marganne Allen, 53, a married mom on her bicycle, and he now wants police immunity. He said he was late and needed to catch up with the DEA surveillance team.
Now you're talking. I hope Dr.Grande does heed your suggestion. I couldn't think of a better case video topic for him to do & analyse. Personally, I'm equally torn by mixed feeling of knowing how important it is for the DEA to move efficiently on fresh evidence because it can literally mean months of work down the drain if they don't act before that fleeting window of opportunity closes & the suspect weasels out of it, but I also believe in driving standards & putting the general publics safety & health in jeopardy , especially in this day & age of having the many high tech communication options right at their finger tips , just to rendezvous with colleagues is unacceptable.
As a cyclist who cannot drive, people seem to forget that the person on the bike is a person with family, friends, hopes, and dreams. Every day, before I get onto my bike, I say a prayer that I will make it home alive. Every day. I'm 51 years old, and in 2008, I nearly lost my right leg in a hit-and-run, but I was very lucky, and with physio, I got back on that bike. I love cycling, and I hope to cycle for another 25 years. I do hope that drivers learn to see to the person on the bike before being annoyed by the inconvenience of sharing the road with a bike. In fairness, if there were more people cycling, drivers might be more comfortable and considerate to people on bikes.
@@carpathianken Ya, there was no imminent danger to the agents, so no reason to drive recklessly. He should go to prison, just like any citizen would. He also should be fired.
@@RullXov 👍👍
The difference is he ran a red light which is actually against the law.
In the UK it's against the law cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) But it's not really against the law to wave your arms around however The argument is that her actions directly led to the cyclists death even if those actions by themselves are not illegal and even though the cyclist was legally in the wrong to begin with.
That's why it's more complicated here.
That’s a tough one. I teach my kids to ride on the sidewalk when no bike lane. But, to yield to pedestrians and just get off and walk it if there’s a confrontation.
Children riding for play is a horse of a different color than adults riding.
@@marlenestewart7442 no one said it was for play, children have to get places too. Always ride on the sidewalk when it is not safe to ride on the road, adult or no, playing or no.
This is my understanding.
It's against the law to cycle on a pavement in the UK as far as I know from living in London. If you ask me I feel funny about that law given how dangerous the roads can be for cyclists especially less confident ones.
Edit: Yeah I checked, it's backed by the Highway Act 1835 and it's under Highway Code Rule 64
In my personal experience, people don't care quite often. It's not a major law and police usually just say get off the pavement, you aren't allowed to cycle there. So one will definitely see people breaking this one regularly. Also it's not a severely publicised law either.
It is actually illegal in many cities and counties to ride on sidewalks
She pushed her in front of the car, you can see her foot come up as she turns and changes her center of balance. This lady needs to be in prison and not on the streets.
you do not see contact at all...what you see is a cyclist with no helmet riding illegally on the footpath(law in england) who chooses not to stop for a pedestrian lose her balance(no contact...watch again) and get hit by a car.there are two victims in this scenario-the pedestrian and the car driver.put your feelings aside and watch it again.
The elephant in the room here, is that Auriol was missing HALF HER BRAIN, literally. This fact likely affected everything from her depth perception to her anger issues to her empathy abilities. Also the other woman was too old to be navigating a bicycle that close to deadly traffic. Neither of those women should have been where they were that day,
maybe they should have decent bike lanes and pylons to separate traffic so bicyclists don't get run down by cars or shoved off the pavement by irrational pedestrians.
@@Metqa We both watched the same video. She was not shoved into traffic.
Agree. Not everyone is able to think things through when they have mental issues. Older people are more likely to lose their balance. All in all, a tragedy.
@@mjkarger89 People who watched the longer video say she was pushed.
This video doesn’t show everything but I clearly see her leaning INTO the cyclist, NOT away from her. I don’t buy the self defense argument. Also, just to clarify, only a small “part of” the left hemisphere of her brain was removed to treat her epilepsy, not half of her brain.
I don't know about the situation in the US, but here in the UK, cyclists riding on pavements (the sidewalks) are a real problem. Electric bikes/scooters have made this problem even worse due to their high speeds.
A big part of the problem is the non enforcement of the law against vehicles being ridden on the footway.
I think it's the speeds that's the real problem on shared paths. IIRC there is, or was, a limit IIRC on shared paths of 12mph. I don't use them because I usually go as fast as that or faster. Personally I stick to roads, in the UK even most cycle paths/lanes where pedestrians are not supposed to go are crap- full of glass, and dangerous at junctions- and often pedestrians wandering in and out of them. And don't get me started about pedestrians walking dogs off lead or on long leads on cycle tracks, they're lethal.
Funnily enough in the U.S. it’s the opposite- you’re supposed to remain on the pavement as much as possible with as little interaction on the road as possible (non designated bike lane roads, however when designated you’re meant to use) and you’re supposed to come to a complete stop or veer entirely off onto the grass when a pedestrian is on the same path.
Yes it is the same here. The cyclists don't want to go in the road because it is so dangerous (and it is) for various reasons. One of which is cars are angry the slower bikes are in their way. So the cyclists go on the sidewalk and then they treat the pedestrians on the sidewalk same as the motorists treat them. Living in the city it is not uncommon to have a bike fly by you from behind that you are completely unaware of. They know that if you stepped to the side(not knowing they were coming) they would crash into you and they don't care. You are in there way. There is no communal connection anymore. The propaganda from the media has created all these fake communities and pitted them against each other. The black community gay, feminist, liberal,...People are just too stupid. Just think of how stupid the average person is and realize half the people are stupider than that. George Carlin.
I’m disabled and move very slowly; walking is painful. In the last decade I’ve had four pavement cyclists collide with me and then hurl abuse at me for being in their way. This is a terrifying barrier to leaving my home.
Whatever happened to “love your neighbor as yourself”? All these two women needed to do was say “good morning” and be on their way.
The officials released an incompetent person into an unknowing public, the death of a beloved wife, sister, aunt, grandmother, friend, neighbor was the result.
Right??
Cyclist was endangering herself and everyone on the pavement (sidewalk). You should be able to walk safely on a sidewalk without any kind of vehicle coming at you.
@@htmc2022please explain how a bicycle was going to hurt a pedestrian in a 7 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK! Are you stupid?, or just selfish like the old lady in this video? She pushed her into traffic and then went grocery shopping!
@htmc2022 I respectfully disagree that riding a bike on a sidewalk is wrong. Children ride their bikes on sidewalks. Should they be forced into the street and put in danger so that people can walk "safely"?
Gotta think about it from all angles.
She is obviously guilty. Waving someone off into traffic causing death is murder.
You can wave all day it doesn't mean you have to adhere to the request. She could have easily went to the other side of the sidewalk as well.
She did know when to walk away.....she heard to sirens and walked away.
Thank you for highlighting Anger.
Being angry at someone for one moment in time should not end in that person's death. That person is someone's parent, sibling, child, spouse, etc. I feel so bad for the family and loved ones of Celia. RiP
"should not end that person's life" is what you meant to say, or "should not have resulted in a person's death".
I'm pretty sure sure she said what she meant. Doesn't your comment end with the same conclusion?@@langleywallingford260
I don't understand how her being mad at the woman and waving her hands caused her death, though? The cyclist should have stopped and turned around or gone around her. Why would she continue barreling her bicycle towards a pedestrian? Doesn't make any logical sense.
@@langleywallingford260oh nice 👍
"Should not". But it still might. Have you never lost your temper?
As a cyclist I always had to complain about car drivers.
And now I am into walking. Some cyclist are rude with pedestrians, as if they were car drivers.
The human being 😢
Yes. Too many people are just plain rude and inconsiderate whether they are walking, riding or driving.
Yeah, humanity is 🚮.
I always ride my bike on the sidewalk to be honest, near my house. But I ride really slowly and give all walking people way. And if it's busy I walk besides my bike. It's just a very big shortcut. But where I live people are really tolerant and we look out for each other.
The thing is it's only 1 in a 100 that are aholes and cause all the problems. Most People live and let live and go on thier way.
@@Zeepjeliefsyou’re a great role model. I see so many cyclist abuse me to get out of their way whilst I walk on a footpath. But in this video, I truly feel awful for this particular cyclist.
Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative and entertaining video. ❤❤
As a Brit, I want to give my own opinon. It's law, in the UK that states, unless it clearly has an official, designated "lane" painted on part of the pavement, riding a bike on the pavement is illegal here. Have I done it? Yes, lots. Do other of people? Yes. Does the law state that police should stop & pull over everyone they see in doing so? Yes. Do they? No. It's a very unfortunate case. I feel so bad for the lady who lost her life - particularly her family! However, Aurial was a mentally disabled woman, who because of this, was usually the target of vile boys/kids on scooters who thought it great fun & entertainment to mock her, tease her & taunt the poor woman. I can only imagine the PTSD this caused her. As much as I respect you & your opinion Dr Grande, I have to disagree some what to things. Her actions led up to the cause of the poor cyclists death, but could Aurial have predicted that by acting as she did, something bad might happen? I highly doubt it. Because of the torment she'd suffered, I believe, at that moment, I could see her unconsciously putting on her tunnel vision, wearing invisible "blinkers" & being unaware of everything else going on around her. It was just her & someone riding a bike. Did she need to cuss & automatically go on the defensive? No, but I presume she either done this because her PTSD made her prepare for the inevitable by putting up a front. That her bullies had made her come to loathe any bikes & scooters & that she was either antisocial because of this or probably even her disability. The UK has too many child/teen "gangs & groups" that spend most of their free time on the streets, doing nothing but causing trouble & making others lives a living hell & misery. The shitty government, house these nicknamed "chavs/yobs" alongside the elderly, vulnerable, mentally & physically handicapped. They (the government) wash their hands of them all. They do nothing to help & support those people, especially the most vulnerable. They (the government & politicians) are totally useless. None of them appreciate how life is for these particular people. Most handicapped people have to either cope alone, or, if they're lucky enough, rely on friends & family for care, support & help. If this crime was committed by a typically abked individual, who was "altogether with it " & a mentally sound person, then I would be outraged & would want the person to be locked away for a good, long while. However you look at it, it's heartbreaking. The poor lady lost her life in such an awful way. I also feel for the driver of the car, although, I'm surprised people haven't come for the driver too & accused her of negligence as they'll say that "if they wasn't driving so fast, the accident could have been avoided..?" I know that all actions lead to consequences, what with the lady loosing and her life! But, the offender was victimised & bullied on a regular basis & wasn't in control, nor, of sound mind!
If anything, the government needs to pull their fingers out of ass' & give more help & support to the needy & vulnerable so that another repeat of this doesn't happen. Awful!
being bullied is no excuse for bullying others. We don't absolve adult abusers simply because they were abused as children. That's a cop out.
I've been bullied many times and I have autism but I and millions of others like me don't do stuff like this to people just because of our disability.
"riding a bike on the pavement is illegal here" The same is generally true here in the states. We usually have painted lines on the street for bike lanes. If not, it is still usually illegal to ride a bike on the pedestrian sidewalk as we call it. The cyclist should have yielded (stopped) as the other women passed by. That is actually the better plan of action. Then if she had been shoved into the traffic, the case is clear. But people don't react in real life in manners that would make themselves safer. Being illegal, to cycle on the pavement, it is strange the government charged the pedestrian. Here in the states, people put up old bikes painted all white (ghost bikes) at scenes where bicyclists have died. Simple human interactions can be deadly. Sad case.
@@arkbien9303same here, I was going to leave the same comment 👍
Didnt hear anything about it being the drivers fault so......
this is one of the most heartbreaking incidences i have ever come across.
Glad you kept the snark out of this one. Sad case all around. The perpetrator’s mental disability factors in, in a big way, to her ability to foresee the consequences of her actions.
A disabled person should not have her safety threatened by a cyclist. Cyclists can cause injury to someone on foot, and need to choose the safety of others over their own arrogance. That said, Auriel could also have gotten off to the side to avoid getting hit. All very sad. I missed the snark factor tbh.
@user-kl8lo6rj5i stop defending murderous Karens
I also wonder if her great visual distortion and social isolation contributed to this event.
I may be wrong but people can survive 1/2 of their brain removed due to epilepsy treatment (or functionally, stroke),but when 1/2 of the visual field is wiped out so does 1/2 of their universe.
This has been proven when patients of this sort draw a portrait of someone, they only draw half of a face . To them the other half doesn't exist. This is a tremendous disability, and may have contributed to her fear of the bicycle.
She wasn't too disabled to LIE to police, leave the scene and own the sidewalk!
I like his snark, in other videos. He knows when to use it. I love his dry humour.
This is why in the U.S., in my state, we have a law called "Negligent Homicide". If you assault someone, and due to unforeseen circumstances *as a direct result of your actions* leads to their death, you are charged with this crime. In other words, exactly what this situation is. 15 year minimum sentence.
Dr Todd,
Please update your channel posting, Auriel has been found not guilty on appeal last week.
Thank you
Unfortunately.
@@alisonwilson9749 it’s matter of opinion now. I say fortunately🤷♂️
@@hahna77 Nah, hahna
As a physician, I was struck by the extent of this woman's disability. She had poor vision along with impaired emotional and physical functioning due to her brain surgery. Her behavior can be explained by her disability and should have been taken into account by the court. I am surprised Dr Grande did not mention this in his analysis.
(Joan here). Same surprise here. I was actually going to make this comment. Plus her own experiences in the past with scooters on the sidewalk and bullying and the like - she would have been "informed" by these experiences and been primed accordingly.
I thought the exact same things and I'm not even a physician. It seemed very obvious to me. I have an autistic child and see similarities where, she will do something without thinking and then when I get angry at her, she will just say "sorry" because she doesn't even remember what she did. And if someone falls and gets hurt in front of her, she will continue to do what she was already doing. It's not that she is heartless or cold, that is just how her brain works. Same with Auriol in this video. I've seen another Dr. Grande analysis and I have not been impressed.
I agree to a great extent. This woman seems to have led a lonely life full of difficulty. Where I disagree is your assumption that the court never took her disabilities into account when sentencing her. I think the judge took this into account as manslaughter normally carries a much larger sentence than 3 years. What is disappointing is this was ever charged in the first place (and this has nothing to do with the court).
Nah, it shouldn't be considered. You people are the types that allow serial killers to walk free because they're "neurodiverse"
Because a person is disabled doesnt make them a saint.
Oh my goodness I couldn’t believe you actually looked at a case which is 30 minutes from me here in uk!! Thank you dr grande
What do the locals think?
That's a difficult one. Personally I think that, while she does live on her own, it doesn't mean she's capable of living on her own and without care. Very often, people with disabilities live on their own just because there is no care available or nobody wants to be the carer. And then things like this happen and people say she's fully responsible because she was living on her own, so that means she can be judged like anybody else.
She clearly is a lot to put up with and a danger for the community around her and should not be left on her own like this. Not for her own and certainly not for communities sake.
I've seen several people that are left without care despite disabilities and that are abrasive and exhausting. One lady walking around my workplace frequently accuses all of my male colleagues of being rapists, walks into a nursery and makes a fuss because nobody is considerate about her childlessness and she is blacklisted in all shops around. 😕
Gotta love Dr. Grande!
I agree with your opinion 100% on this one. The only victims here were the older biker & the car driver.
Even though riding a bicycle is AGAINST THE LAW AND A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS ? After all, pedestrians are not permitted to walk in the centre of the road are they? However, the "Entitled ones" such as cyclists think they can do no wrong don't they.....
@@christopherfitzgerald774 if it was a child that she pushed into the road would you have the same opinion & defense?
@@hahna77 Hypotheticals are of no use in this discussion as no-one knows what the lady would have thought or done in any situation except the one that occurred, so stop trying to muddy the waters.
Profoundly Sad nature of Humanity that anyone and everyone feels so entitled to not sharing their space with other's either on the sidewalk or the roadway. For that matter some individuals cannot even walk along side one another in a crowd without expressing hostility and unreasonable territorial insecurities. We all inhabit this world together, and we are all parts of a collective that is interconnected.
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I have done a very similar thing. More than 40 years ago I was a high school kid. I was walking along the sidewalk and a kid from school was cycling towards me on the same sidewalk. I didn't like this kid, he had been mean to me for no reason. So as he got to me I made noise and moved in such a way as to startle him. He fell off his bike and I think that he might have fallen into the roadway. It was a deliberate act intended to cause harm.
Not only is it illegal to ride on the pavement, the victim was old af and clearly unable to effectively keep her balance.
Auriel was literally missing half her brain and all she did was swear a bit and wave her hand. The blame should be placed ENTIRELY on the victim, not Auriel. Simple as that!
People with this type of conditions are MASSIVELY bullied all throughout their lives. They are always on the defensive. Sad story
its not defense when you make the contact, and dont attempt to defensively move out of the way. you never played sports did you? if you had, youd know the difference between offense and defense.
Not completely true. The more successful people with the condition (CP) adapt. Those less successful go around with a chip on their shoulder.
I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.
Love the all the cacti 🌵 you have in the background
I used to ride my bicycle to work (10 miles). I had to protect myself first and I also needed to understand that even though its a bicycle, its a vehicle and needs to be on the road
Son of a senior British judge here. In my father's view, some cases are simply evenly balanced. This is probably why the first jury was hung. That's life I'm afraid - the law isn't always cut and dried.
True that.
The odd part is I have murders granted what I think is called diminished responsibility in the UK and receive ridiculously light sentences. How was this woman not granted that to begin with considering her mental disability
Seems like it's the biker's fault for not driving safely. Pedestrian was quite an idiot, but, it's the biker that was going too fast.
British law at least
It wasnt even though, was it? I work with learning disability residents and they still understand right from wrong. They know aggression is negative. They know not to threaten people verbally or physically. Murder wasnt the intent, but to harass and bully certainly was
This woman was disabled enough to live alone, argue with many people and curse at her elder. Don’t care, think she should have done more time and maybe she’d learn some manners. Poor lady that died and her family
Yes and normally I hate when people are riding on the sidewalk however when I see an older person do it I have enough sense to understand that they are doing so as it's safer. She may have been disabled but the victim was elderly. That woman is just miserable.
Manners?
Surprised that more attention wasn’t paid the cerebral palsy of the perp. Sure she was able to live on her own but people with CP face their own mobility challenges. Grande did do a good job of balancing the case. Thus is a tragedy all around. The cyclist lost her life and the perp lost over a year in prison before he condition was reversed.
Agree, she lived a life of privilege, of getting her way. Even the jury were afraid they'd be seen as unsympathetic towards the mentally disabled. I'm sure Areal knew this too and tried to milk it. Eventually they gave in!
Disgusting. She needs to be in prison. We can't let the public believe that a disability gives you a golden pass to behave however you want and to police other people!
@@stevenblackwood6097 CP does not cause one to be a bully tho, which she has a history of with others in the area. I feel there could have been 20 feet between them and she still would have been yelling and cursing, it's unfortunate she was close enough to try and push her off her bike. I do agree with the mobility issues but the cyclist had some as well, hence why she was puttering slowly on the sidewalk rather than risk the road. The deciding factor for me in this is how she arrogantly went off shopping without checking on the woman or offering help....that is entitlement and cruelty and shows her nature and it wasn't due to her feeling scared because of mobility issues.
He says I'm not diagnosing then always go on to diagnose haha love it Dr big.
Good analysis, Dr. G. Sad case.
You can see her plant her left foot and swivel just as the bicycle meets her.
She was also purposely striding in the middle of the sidewalk.
She was! I cannot believe people defending this awful Auriole woman. She's a foul mouthed liar from her police interview with zero empathy for the people whose lives she has ruined.
How much room was there where the two met? Seems to be an obstruction due to a post. How much space did that take up?
If one moves the video frame by frame one can see that the cyclist was in control and straight when she passed Auriol. The front wheel is straight after it has passed her. Then Auriol stops walking for a moment, her right leg makes a vigoros movement inward and her body moves inward for a moment (visible back not straight as before, but leaning forward for a moment), as if she gives the cyclist a quick push. Only at that moment does the cyclist turn the handlebar to the right to instinctively compensate for the lean to the right which was caused by the push. When the front wheel of thy bicycle enters the road the lean to the right of the cyclist is much steeper than a loss of directional control without a push could possibly have caused in this fraction of second. If she had steered to the right so quickly while going straight then she would have fallen to the left. She falls to the right despite the counteraction of her steering right because the momentum caused to her body by the push was greater than what the countersteering could compensate for. Never mind about the gestures, that happens many times every day, but she was obviously pushed, Why did the prosecution and the court fail to see this quick break of step and leaning over of the body?
They must have seen it and come to a different conclusion to you.
Moving your hand or arm in a non threatening way is not a crime.
Not only did she cause a life to end with no remorse, but the woman driving the car said she suffers from ptsd and will have life long mental health problems due to having been the person to collide with Celia.
No. Bike rider ended her own life by choosing to ride on the sidewalk. And to use your own logic against you, it's illegal to ride on the sidewalks for the same reason it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt or not wear a helmet on motorcycles. You're essentially saying it's illegal to walk on a sidewalk while a bike is coming at you. You have no brain.
She is disabled and snarky. But i don't think she intended for the woman to die.
Sounds like an unfortunate accident. If she delibratley shoved her. Then she would absolutely be at fault. Not knowing her obviously i have no idea how she interprets right from wrong.
Walking away was callous.
I absolutely feel for the victim and her family. And the poor lady that hit her. That has to be weighing on her.
I don’t think he’s no it’s weighing on her.
Her intention is not what is on trial here, it’s her actions.
@@user-lj4xs4gn8u
Probably not. Too bad. Jail is likely when she felt something. It affected her!
@@HypocritesExposd
She had to have intent to generate action!
She must've miserable and her disabled condition . When she died , she wasn't even thinking, doing her own business .... And angry at the same time ....
I’m a mental health social worker and I work with many people with disabilities who are angry at the world and often attack others due to their antisocial attitudes. They should be held accountable. They most often know right from wrong, and they need others to work to earn the taxes used for their care and activities they participate in daily. Everyone has their problems, but to them, theirs are the only ones that matter. We can’t eliminate disabilities, but their lifestyles are better than ever, so these sorts of people need to be less angry at others and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
This is a great point that a lot of people fail to understand. I'm in law enforcement and have been for about 25 years. I also deal with mentally ill individuals on a daily basis. As you said, nearly all mentally ill people do know the difference between right and wrong and act accordingly, knowing the consequences for criminal behavior. When these people commit crimes, they nearly always know what they are doing is wrong and will result in harm and arrest. High levels of psychosis will override this, but it's actually rare in the grand scheme of things as most people with a diagnosed mental disorder do not actually engage in behaviors that physically harm others because they can appreciate that such actions are harmful in the same way that people without a mental disorder can do so. Plenty of mentally ill people commit crimes, but to excuse the crime by virtue of the defendant's mental illness diagnosis is often defense lawyer propaganda to deceive the courts. I know this by talking to mentally ill suspects after they have committed crimes. Most of the time, they admit knowing their actions were unlawful and therefore wrong. It's only in maybe 1 in 100 cases where a mentally ill person is so psychotic that they truly cannot understand the wrongfulness of their actions. (The same is true for children who commit serious crimes.)
It is a conundrum, the right of the mentally ill to exist in our society and the right to expect adult decisions from adults.
She's neurologically impaired due to having half her brain removed, not to mention having cerebral palsy. Mental illness is something else entirely.
I can't take it anymore with these one liners!😂😂😂
I'm still stuck on a few videos back when the HAT WAS STRETCHED TO THE MAX!
We accept risks ridding , driving and walking. It was an accident. We should stay focused and not allow distractions to change what is non negotiable which is losing control of the bike. Tragic.
Here in Japan, pedestrians and cyclists have to share most sidewalks. It’s not pleasant at times, especially because so many people use cellphones while walking/riding, but you learn to deal with the traffic system you have. All lives matter of course, but many cyclists are mothers with small kids.
Cyclists in Japan go super slow compared to European cities. Also the general politeness of Japanese society means that any sort of confrontation or threatening gestures, etc. is extremely unlikely.
😮This reminds me of something that happened to me. While walking on the sidewalk in NYC, I decided to reach into my purse to get my sunglasses. I took maybe 2 steps to the right and stopped walking. I have a habit of making a Hollywood move and moving my left foot a few inches away from my body to sort of balance myself. As I was reaching in my purse, a man walking to my left, walking behind me, tripped over my foot and fell hard on the sidewalk. He had to 6'5" and 275 pounds. I felt so bad. I assume he was fine because he did get up, but not before he gave me a disgusted look. This reminded me of what happened here.
If you look at Auriol's back in the last frame she's visible, it looks like she actually turned towards the bicyclist and leaned towards the roadway. I think she actually pushed her and therefore deliberately caused her death.
To quote Ren Gill "Bittersweet Symphony" (The Verve): "Mad how small altercations can define who we are".
She pushed an old lady into traffic then went shopping
That's cold-blooded
Pushed? Lol no that is a wild exaggeration
@@darthmcgee2216.. "she touched Celia" .. the woman on the bicycle lost control trying to avoid pedestrian who literally forced her off sidewalk by standing in the way.
but Auriel seems to have many internal issues.
sad case.
Nobody at any point even the prosecution, said she pushed anyone. You literally just made that up out of thin air.
@@emmapeel8163 Not getting out of the way of an illegal biker while I'm somewhere bikes are not allowed is not "forcing" anything. If you're eating at a cafe sitting at an outdoor table, and a biker starts biking straight at you, are you obligated to jump up, push the table out of the way, and make room? No? Weird. If the biker swerves to avoid your cafe table and hits a car, is that on you? No? Huh, interesting.
@@emmapeel8163
Given her anger issues and the foul-mouthed order she directed at the victim, I doubt that was merely a touch.
I'm a cyclist. Never ride a bicycle on a pedestrian sidewalk, unless there is specific signage allowing it. Never ride a bicycle across a crosswalk. Either walk the bicycle or ride on the road.
Good advice, but that doesn't justify a pedestrian pushing a cyclist into traffic
@@adrianmizen5070 1) Yes it does if you're pushing them out of the way of crashing into you while they're illegally on the pavement riding into you, 2) Nobody pushed anyone here anyway. So both wrong and irrelevant.
@@gavinjenkins899 we found the Volkswagen driver--it must be you
As a cyclist you must know drivers don’t care about your legal right or duty to ride on the road. They will swear at you and tell you to get on the sidewalk and drive you off the road. That street looked way too dangerous for any old lady to be riding her bicycle on regardless of what the law says. The problem is people are selfish and lack comparison and common sense. She could have easily moved to the side to allow the bike by and not hide behind the law to act like a bully.
In many parts of the world it is permitted to ride on the sidewalk and often recommended.
Why is that a cyclist demands 1 or 1.5 metres of space for safety reasons with cars yet fails to afford the same with pedestrians. If Celia & Auriol made contact that show that Celia was riding recklessly & without any regard to personal safety and much closer to Auriol than 1 metre. This therefore making her the author of her own misfortune.
8 ft wide side walk, seems like more 2 times the space. Auriol had a history of berating people. She like being a bitch.
If i were cycling towards someone gesticulating and shouting at me, I'd stop, get off my bike and wait for them to go past - I certainly wouldn't try to wobble my way around them.
Check out the Last Clear Chance Doctrine. Typically it's used for car accidents and who is liable.
It basically says that just because someone else is doing something wrong, your duty is to avoid an accident if you have a clear chance to do so. Just because you have the right of way doesn't absolve you from all liability.
sounds like a dumb as hell concept designed by people who were salty for being clearly and completely in the wrong.
Cyclists aren't just a danger to pedestrians, they also often violate motor vehicle's right of way too. People seem to believe they're in some law free zone when they get on a bike...
Funny thing is it's not the kids doing this crap either, it's adults, and usually the older the more obtuse they are to traffic laws.
''motor vehicle's right of way'' - you just made that up.
I read about this accident but you had much more info on the pedestrian. It is a difficult situation all around. You did your absolute best to try to be fair. Your admonition at the end allowed this to be a cautionary tale for the hotheads.
It's against the law to ride your bike on the pavement. If breaking the law results in someone's death you're at fault, even if it's your own death. Legally this isn't even a brain teaser. She's not guilty of manslaughter.
Another piece exculpatory evidence is the fact that Aurielle is mentally impaired. That factor informs all of her behaviours. She was being accosted by individuals on scooters, teased because she is mentally impaired. I would say that her mental accuity is that of a 7/8 year old child. Her motivation was immediate, no mens rea. Plus the failed police investigation, which could not determine and gave no evidence to support the legality of the victim riding her bicycle on the pavement. The case could not be tried because the investigation was improper, and the court relied on conjecture, not fact, when determining the outcome of the case.
Irrelevant, a person still died.
I agree. She cannot be held to standards of what a “normal” person would know or do because she was not a normal person.
She gets the tard card. Google Chris Chan.
Agreed. Doctor is way off on this one, and the comments are staggering. A half-blind disabled person waved at someone and killed them? Give me a break. Tragic accident, nothing more.
@@cknut-rw2dm If she's not ''normal'' why is she allowed out unaccompanied? Why hasn't she a carer to protect the public from her rages?
I'm a lifelong cyclist, usually sticking to the sidewalks, I think it's the cyclist's responsibility to avoid hazards and think ahead. I've also had people strike me and pretend to strike me (which is assault) and avoiding them is part of the responsibility,
You ride a bike on the sidewalk? That's absolutely asinine. Jesus christ dude
@@Jeff-sp7bgcry about it
@@poindextertunesyou’re alone. Or your girl is not HWP. Prove me wrong.
@@Jeff-sp7bg No is not, specially if it’s a wide sidewalk with no pedestrians. Much better to avoid a Car accidents in roads that don’t provide a bike lane.
@@Jeff-sp7bg It depends. I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.
In my state, Florida, leaving the scene of an accident causing great injury or death, is a 1st degree felony, I think.
Anyone who rides bicycles knows that you stop for anybody or anything in your way. You don't just keep cycling towards someone. She had more than enough time to get off and walk next to the lady. We stop for pets and dogs unless they are chasing us. There should be no reason anyone should be cycling on the sidewalk expecting to not be stopped by pedestrians. In the US we literally have to follow traffic rules. A kid on a bike could tell you that. Adults have no excuses.
truly a tragic incident. nice analysis btw.
The bullies from before made a mind set of grievance. Imo this is a part of the tragedy.
I feel the same. If this woman lived in Bali, she would not receive any bullying in the community, and her hostility levels would never have ramped up. It is a bloody tragedy all round and I feel for everyone involved and affected, including the poor driver.
Was she actually bullied though?
I think there's a more likely possibility that she was the bully
People would ride their bikes, she would try to take over the entire footpath and she would refer to all interactions as bullying.
I think she often tries to force bikes off the sidewalk and often shoves them. This is just the first time it resulted in death
@@natashamcmullen6559so you think a 46 year old mentally and physically disabled women hasn't endured a lifetime of bullying? I'm not excusing her from all culpability, but it cannot be dismissed as a factor... and she did end up staying in jail for a while. If you think modern English culture (and particularly its youth) could hold a candle to the level of kindness and empathy of the Balinese, you obviously haven't been here. My point is she never would have ended up that hostile living here🙏
To be clear, I went to.. well I won't say which primary school. I have equal fault, or credit regarding her death (as the bullies, or as the disgusting land whale). Maybe the bullies wouldn't have bullied if I didn't go to that primary school many years ago on the other side of the world. Everything is part of this tragedy, this tragedy is part of everything.
I agree. She was always on the defense.
Have just viewed the security camera footage on other websites- shows a little more camera angle - Auriol pivots body to push woman on bicycle into traffic. A danger to society ! ;(
As a caretaker of 2 profoundly Autistic sisters, I can empathize with Auriol Grey. I have often seen my sisters "misinterpret" situations and actions by others. Their version of events is often exaggerated in comparison with my own. I have had one of them panic at "almost getting hit" in parking lots, when a vehicle passes closer than normal, even though I always maintain my place as the traffic-facing walker. I have not even noticed the car when one of them grabs my arm and exclaims, "I almost got hit!" My point being that perception is so very individual, that I would find it difficult to adjudicate such a case.
As a driver, rider and traffic observer; I can also very much understand what happened to Ms. Celia, God rest her Soul. As a rider of two-wheeled vehicles, I can speak personally to not understanding what people may be thinking when they are interacting with me. Not wanting trouble seems that it would have been the cause of her reaction as she veered away, only to be met with a lightpole that seems to have gone unnoticed by the Crown and Ms. Grey. The angle does not make my analysis exact, but I have been in similar situations. Celia goes to make sure that she avoids Auriol, suddenly realizes her trajectory to the pole and instinctively continues turning right. Tragedy is the only thing that's left to happen.
Years of experience for me (including 5 years in law enforcement) have given me the instinct to let things happen. Maintain your lane and perhaps you will live to tell your side of the story. But that's not in everyone's nature. I know this because I have to fight that very instinct on several occasions. I don't want to hurt anyone, anywhere at any time. However, I don't want to die alone in the woods after being cut off by someone who is pissed off with my existence. I'm sure that Celia would have made a different choice if she had known the outcome beforehand. (I guess? Maybe?).
With all that said (tl:dr). I would have supported the conviction, due to the contact made, which probably did not convince Celia that she was doing the right thing. I would however, have recommended some sort of suspended sentence in lieu of mental health treatment and study. I am fully aware of how dangerous mental disability can be if not acknowledged and treated. Getting to the bottom of Auriol's issues can likely prevent something similar happening again; with her or someone else. That's my long story and I'm sticking to it. :) Very interesting case. Thanks Doc! 👍
Watched the BBC report when this news first aired -- a cyclist goes right past the reporter, on the pavement...
I've read that in that street they are supposed to share the pavement with pedestrian- so it's legal
Bicycles, except when ridden by children, should be on the road, if on the sidewalk cyclist, need to dismount. This cyclist was riding on the sidewalk at her own risk.
@@bobl1769 You have dumb logic. If someone rides on the sidewalk, it doesnt mean that any unlawful act that occurs to them is their fault.
@@bobl1769that’s stupid, why put yourself in the path of traffic when there is a sidewalk. People need to be more courteous.
@@OptimusSatanas The pedestrian has right of way in those situations.
Cross country biking has been my sport and as far as rules in America go, to my knowledge bikes are vehicles and we belong in the street with traffic and obeying the laws. If traffic was very dangerous for me, I was WALKING my bike on the sidewalk with deference given to pedestrians.🌿
Doesn't mean you can assault them.
Same here. I was riding my bike as transportation for awhile as a 60 something. There were stretches that the traffic was too busy for me and I went up on the sidewalk--- unless I saw a pedestrian or one entered the walk. Then I stopped and walked it past them. Seems incredible rudeness as well as reckless to ride past a walker.
Don't you think its more dangerous for a cyclist to ride on the road than it is for a pedestrian sharing a sidewalk with a bike?
@@samhilton4173duh! I don't get from the original comment that they think they can or would..
@@proprietarycurez8463 So it may seem like a simple question, but you have to think it through. A bicyclist is in a vulnerable position relative to the motor vehicles on the street, especially when outnumbered. But all the pedestrians are vulnerable to even 1 large metal machine moving at a speed many times faster than they within very close proximity. If the bicyclist cannot ride in the street, it does not give him/her the right to elevate the risks for the pedestrians.
Self defense is not manslaughter, even if you might be handicapped.
So sad :(
For both of those women, and for the others that have been the target of verbal offenses. She is, undoubtedly, difficult to deal with. Where is her family in all this?!?
So sad :(
Bummer they don't have traffic laws figured out over there. A bicycle is a wheeled vehicle and should be following the same traffic laws as cars.
Thank you. The situation is madness. I’m a vulnerable, disabled pedestrian and I have been cycled into by speeding pavement cyclists four times in ten years. I have nightmares about bikes and rarely go out alone on foot. It is difficult to read all the defenders of this kind of behaviour.
LOL. I love the doctor's dry, witty humor.
NOT A JOKE!
With that picture, I don't doubt you do.
I’m British and as far as I’m aware - and we were taught this in school during cycling classes - that you’re not supposed to ride on a pavement and if a pedestrian is using the pavement, they have priority over the cyclist.
The lady on the bicycle could have stopped but she didn't and it was a freak accident
That almost happened to me one time. I was riding my bike on the sidewalk because there was no shoulder on the road. The sidewalk was about to come to an end, so I steered over into the road. I was riding along the curb, but there was a drainage ditch in front of me. I would've swerved around it, but I could hear cars coming up behind me. I had to make a split second decision on whether to ride over the drainage thingy or swerve around it. My inability to make the split second decision resulted in my tires hitting the edge of the dip between the road and the drainage thing, and this caused me to fall over into the road. My head was in the road, and my shoes were still clipped into the pedals, making it impossible for me to move. There was a truck coming right up behind me, and I just knew I was going to die. The truck swerved and barely missed me, though. That's why I'm leaving this comment. . .because I'm still alive.
I don't know about this area, but in the UK there are many designated cycling and pedestrian areas - which is asking for accidents to happen. Not much chance of a pedestrian knocking another pedestrian over, but when a bike comes flying past you at speed from behind, it can give you the fright of your life!!! I have seen people getting knocked over by cyclists on these designated areas. It is ridiculous, but the local council designates the areas and really don't give a hoot about accidents (probably less accidents than having cycling on the road)!!!
THANK YOU KENN AND WELL SAID👏👏👏
Someone above responded that apparently the cyclist was allowed to be on the sidewalk in this particular area (it seemed like she is from that area). I did write my own opinion as well regarding what I call 'hybrid' cyclists who jump on sidewalks and then ride on the street and back and forth. I am writing from the perspective of the US where cyclists are supposed to (I was also taught years ago long before I could legally drive) follow the same general rules of the road as motorized vehicles, yet rules are rarely enforced against cyclists riding poorly or on the sidewalks. It muddies the rules in my opinion, making it just as potentially dangerous to pedestrians as rules expressly allowing cyclists to 'share' the sidewalks.
Cyclists are a dangerous mix with pedestrians. Let's face it the cyclists are the bullies in than space in the same way that they're bullied in mainstream traffic. Our neighbour had one of her dogs put down last month after it was injured by a cyclist that didn't bother to stop. If they're approaching a pedestrian or a child in a pushchair, the cyclists don't care because they aren't the ones getting hurt. They are much more respectful of the heavier powered wheelchairs, or a horse because they aren't confident of the consequences of getting things wrong. It's just selfishness.
@@CC-hx5fz 👏👏👏👏Thank you for sharing. So sad about the dog and it's owner.
If they were right behind you were probably jay walking in the wrong lane .
This is my home town and I remember it happening.
This happened outside the mental health centre in Huntingdon , Cambs.
It was an awful incident and should never have happened.
I hope their families are doing okay.
She was guilty of manslaughter.
If not for her actions.
The road is a ring road circling our town.
The traffic does not exceed 30 miles per hour and there was a pedestrian crossing around 12 feet from the incident.
This should never have happened.
I’ve thought on so many occasions when on a sidewalk that we are so trusting that the person passing by won’t do something to cause us to crash or fall into the oncoming traffic. Case in point.
Case and point quit illegally riding bikes on sidewalks and then whining when something like this happens
@@shamancredible8632 I meant us as in people generally, I don’t ride bikes illegally on a sidewalk. But the exact same thing could happen to a pedestrian. One trip or shove is all it takes.