I have AMD build same problem with the Asus Tuf X670E motherboard first dual (kingstom ram 2×16) channel works on 6000mhz. But if use 4 dual channel it not boot up to windows. Strange things is you can see and hear fans spinning plus all ram have rbg light up but black screen. So issue is not the ram stick but need a firmware update ???
XMP my Z790 AORA Master motherboard won't boot with 128G (4x32) G.Skill 6000 MHz and XMP enabled. I want to try 5200 with "manual xmp"... But yeah.. Will changing timings manually help? I assume making the timings 'worse' even a small bit may improve compatability?
Hello. I have the same problem as you but on an Asus HERO Z690. After seeing a video of the ASUS ProArt Z790 where they put 4 sticks of RAM at 6000MT/s running without any problem, I have considered the option of buying that motherboard. However, seeing that you're having problems with a Z790, I'm not sure I do anymore. The video in question is titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified"
I built a 12900KS with the ProArt Z690 and 128GB of DDR5. As you highlighted in this video, I had continuous issues trying to get the sticks to operate at anything above base clock. The system would refuse to POST and usually required me to remove the other two sticks of RAM before it would even boot again. Every time a new BIOS version was released for that board. I immediately installed it, hoping it would correct the issues, but it never did, to include the very latest version with 13th Gen support. I dropped everything on eBay and built a Threadripper PRO 5975WX with 256GB of ECC DDR4. It will be years before I even attempt to mess with DDR5 again. Not impressed.
Good decision. Especially with the ECC rams. You will have an amazingly stable workstation. The only thing I don’t like about Threadripper builds is the lack of nice mainboards. I found most of them not really looking good.
To be fair, on Intel Ark product specification: i9-12900K : Up to DDR5 4800 MT/s i9-13900K : Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s Which leads me to believe that if you have a 13th gen, you can could run 5200 MT/s or even 5600 MT/s. Chip is out thursday officially. On vas bien voir!
Don't forget to read all the specs. 'Up to' 5600 mt/s on 13th gen. That's with 1 dimm per channel. I can't seem to find the damn chart unfortunately, however speeds decrease with increased ram. As in more sticks. Then you have the stress of single vs dual rank ram, dual rank puts more stress on the memory controller. Having all 4 dimms populated 2dpc, also adds more stress. And if you're talking ddr5, then a typical 32gb of ram in 2x16gb is just fine. It's 1dpc and single rank, there are no dual rank ddr5 at 16gb per stick. 32gb sticks and up are dual rank. Tech Notice here is using 4 sticks, 128gb so 32gb per stick. Worst case scenario, dual rank and 2dpc. The most stress on the memory controller. And of course intel's official speeds drop the more stress you add to the system. Hence the 'up to'. Then there's also the consideration that intel's officially supported speeds don't mean people 'can't' run faster ram, just that it's not guaranteed to run. You run a ddr5 1dpc setup of 2x16gb on 13th gen and you get ddr5 6000 it'll probably work. But if it doesn't, if for some strange reason someone got a low end lottery cpu and it will only function at 5600 mt/s, well that's all intel said it would run. They never promised more. There's no rma for that. I imagine if the chip was severely hosed and could only run 5200 mt/s within intel's specs, the cpu could likely be seen as 'faulty' and rma'd. Intel's already been confirming 13th gen working with ddr5 over 7000 mt/s so maybe they'll update their specs? But then they'd have to guarantee all 13th gen will handle it and that might be another story.
@@Mehecanogeesir Intel official specs aren't the 'max', just the confirmed spec. Many people enable xmp and get well over the 'max' on the intel specs but it's not guaranteed. Xmp is never guaranteed. The ram company can promise you 'ddr5 6400'. The motherboard can promise you 'max memory speeds of 7200+!'. But neither gets to dictate what you get. They can only speak for their component. That stick of ram 'can' run that fast, that motherboard 'can' run ram that fast. Ultimately it's up to the integrated memory controller in the cpu. In this case, intel. Some people could run ddr4 4000, others ddr4 3600. Some people put ddr4 3600 in their system and no boot with xmp enabled. It didn't like it. They had to drop to ddr4 3200 which was still technically more than intel promised for ddr4. But it wasn't what they were hoping for and what they were hoping for was a roll of the dice. Silicon lottery, like a good overclocker vs a poor one. The cpu's are all within manufacturing tolerance, a range of performance. Which is why you could have one cpu with a 'max' top end of 3.9ghz at 1.26v running 4.6 or 4.7ghz oc'd. And another with the same model cpu couldn't get 4.4ghz stable even pushing 1.3v core voltage. They had to settle for 4.2 or 4.3ghz. The reference to 'golden' chips meaning those in the same product line that were just the best tolerances and like a lucky lotto winner got a better version of the same thing out of the box.
Thanks for answering why there's no 4 sticks available for DDR5 ram. Creators are going to drag their feet even more in adopting next gen with such a problematic hardware bottleneck.
Yeah DDR5 is still bleeding edge, it's part of the reason why I got a DDR4 board for my build, it's much easier to get high capacity of RAM. I don't think DDR5 will really be worth adopting for about another year.
same with amd ... got 7900x and 16x4 ddr5 6000mhz ram sticks .... only able to run ram @3600 mhz with timings 40 40 76 properly ... 3600+ and pc starts crashing and boot slow downs takes upto 70+ seconds sometimes to boot to windows !! what a waste of money
@@moriyokiri3229 I saw Corsair made 48GB memory modules available recently, not sure if they're compatible with AM5 now but they enable 96GB or 192GB memory total, maybe something to look into!
Wow, at least those of us who tried without knowing all the problems have the consolation of not being alone. Thank you. I tried everything to stabilize Windows 11 running 128GB without XMP on a z790 board. Ok for a few hours, then freeze, freeze, freeze at stock speeds. Latest BIOS. Wasn't a problem with CPU or paste or cooling, just this issue you were talking about four months ago! Cheers!
You’re not doing the correct settings in the BIOS. After you set the XMP profile the next step is to go down to DRAM VDD Voltage and set it the voltage to 1.3. Then change DRAM VDDQ Voltage to 1.3. THE FINAL STEP!!! Go to “AI Tweaker Advance Memory Voltages and go down to PMIC Voltages and change it to “By Per PMIC” save and exit. Restart, it may take some time, and then it will work.
I would love to see you give this a second try with a 13900k instead of the 12900ks (keep the same MB). It would tell us if the problem is in the chipset or the CPU. I think people invested in Z690 will not want to buy a Z790 so you would be answering if a new CPU could allow faster RAM speeds.
I'm running a 13900k and a ROG Maximus z690 Formula. I tried running two kits of CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) @ 5200. I can enable XMP but the system was entirely unstable with BSOD after 15-30 minutes of running, as well as the system taking minutes to POST occasionally. I haven't tried manually setting the profile to try and get both kits running together. I can't be bothered putting in that much effort for it. Just gonna hope some people smarter than me resolve it in an easy manner.
I chatted with Asus tech support and the rep said they are working on a BIOS update to address the XMP issue. I asked if I purchase 128 GB of RAM (x4 32GBs) from the QVL that a BIOS update (to come) would resolve the issue and he said it is in the works. He recommended 5600 or 5800 speeds.
I watched all your videos on DDR5 issues as I came across an issue on my own system. I am running an Asus z690e wifi + I9 12900k + 4 sticks of 16GB T-force ram rated for 6400Mhz. I originally built my PC with 32GB but then amazon had a sale on the same ram, so I added another 2 sticks to make it 64gb all together. Upon adding the 2 new sticks, BSOD started happening. What worked for me was bumping up the voltage from 1.35 to 1.37 and changing ram power deliver system from " synced all 4 " to "per dimm" and reducing my clock speeds from 6400 to 6200 . So far I was able to get stable sessions from my pc and I hope it stays this way ....
Your conclusion is on point. You want to build your PC then use it. Not tune the parts because of glitches from the manufacturer's end. GREAT POINT. This philosophy should be applied to CPUs and GPUs as well unless you're an enthusiast.
This finally answers the questions concerning "Plug and Play," which has often been called "Plug and Pray." I've been building PCs since the late 1980s; remember MS-DOS and early individual memory chips? None of this is new to me. Problems like this are just a part of building a PC. Sometimes you must learn to live with it or go crazy. Don't worry; just let someone else figure it all out. Hot running DRAM? You can purchase small fan DRAM coolers to solve that.
This guy was really helpful for building a new pc, I had my Asus rog mobo, Corsair DDR5 ram (6000mhz) x 4 stick and intel i9 13900k, 13 gen, turn on XMP, and voila no boot. I even update the mobo BIOS and driver on Windows 11 with no luck. I haven’t tried to take out 2 rams yet, but I am pretty sure this will solve my issue. So anyone who wants to buy 4 sticks, do some research first since overclocking is still not stable with gen 12/13th mobo, unless you are confident with changing Voltages for CPU or memory. Good job mate.
Yeah, this explains a lot. I've got 4 sticks of 16GB 6400 MHz Kingston Fury w/ intel 13900k, can't run XMP at all, even at the slowest 4800 MHz profile. Blue screens everywhere. Forced to run stock @4000 MHz. Sucks from a consumers perspective that these chips are advertised at the higher speeds when they're unable to run at that frequency.
Still can’t do it with an MSI Z790-P and 14700K. I’m gonna prolly return the 2x16 sticks I got cuz I couldn’t get all 4 to run at CL 40 6000MT/s. 4000MT/s was the only stable speed.
So many people reported this type of issue on AM5 and 12/13th gen intel. I plan on buying 2x32GB kit for my next build with Zen 5 or 14th gen intel for now until the situation improves with both ram channels populated. Also if you're a scientist, engineer, or creator you really just need rock-solid stability. Even as an enthusiast I am leaning toward running my next rig at stock settings because AMD is pushing their chips to the limit out of the box. Less than 5% of performance uplift on them isn't worth the instability. With Intel, at least for now you still get gains overclocking but at the cost of a ton of power and cooling increases.
Isit a 4 sticks kit? I am running two kits of 2x48 kits because corsair dominator doesn't come with 196 gb of ram and when I XMP I have to keep the voltage at 1.41 and can't go beyond 4800 MT/S. any solutions?
not using 4 sticks but when using 2 sticks of kingston Fury 5600, the XMP did go into windows, done benchmarks right, only once a while crash in MSFS, and don't pass FFT512+ prime 95 over 2 hours at XMP, perfectly fine with 4800MT, ended up the solution, was disabling the dynamic memory boost, now rock solid in prime 95 with XMP
Ditto. I hope we can get that tested when the 13th gen and Z790 come out next week. Anyone know if there's been any announcements for release dates for 64GB DDR5 sticks?
13:32 It would have booted anyway. I'm not sure if you tried because of editing and not live, but I just put 6000 in my 12700K rig, and it did that same thing down to the letter. But when it said it was reset and you pulled that channel of RAM, I did not. Instead, I went into BIOS and turned on XMP (6000), rebooted like normal, and it worked like a charm. Has been running solid ever since. Not sure what that corruption message was, but all it did was reset the BIOS back to the factory, and then I just turned on XMP, and that was it.
This isn't limited to DDR5, or Intel, XMP always was dodgy with more than 2 sticks... It's a synchronization issue... Sometimes you can get around it by shuffling the sticks around, sometimes you can relax the timings manually, sometimes you can lower the frequency by 100-200MHz and then it works fine. Try your XMP 6000 setting, but manually set the clock to 5800 MHz instead.
Indeed, I am having the same issue with 4x32GB in an AM4 B550 board with BIOS from August 2023. Runs at 2133, won't post at 3200 (the one XMP profile). I haven't tried anything in between yet. The RAM is Corsair CMK64GX4M2E3200C16. If you dig, 2133 appears to be the highest frequency at which it is guaranteed to run. It's a scam. They advertise the memory as 3200, include that number in the article number and what it actually means is "if you have no more than two DIMMs, of not too high capacity/density, with a bit of luck you may be able to overclock it to 3200 MHz and make it to a desktop without crashing".
I actually bought 4 sticks of that exact Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM up to 128 GB but haven’t built it into a system yet. Are you saying that without XMP (at base speed) it will be stable but it just can’t be overclocked? If so, that’s not the biggest deal for me since my workflow just requires the capacity to hold lots of music samples. I wasn’t planning to overclock. Are the sticks stable without XMP?
Nope mine would not write correctly with nearly 4000 errors with 4 sticks in system. Wish I would have know this before buying 4 sticks of DDR5 memory. Memory test sent: sent RRWWGET but read RRWWDET errors out the ying yang. 2 sticks of 7200 runs the memory test great, no issues.
On my AMD 7950 running 4 sticks of ram at 5600 MT/S my system bullet stable at this specs but with 4 stick of ram 64 GB total 6000 Mhz NOT STABLE the system boots up but not stable tested with Memtes 86+ , AIDA 64 Stability test , OCCT Test Not stable I tried every method not stable at all none of them worked for 4 sticks of ram ! However for 2 sticks of ram I can go 6200 MT/S stable with all tests but for 6400 Mhz system fails immediately to initialize boot up sequence ! Rams kit Kingston Fury Renegade 6000 MT/S with 3 XMP profile to set, 4800, 5600, 6000
I got 4*16 DDR5 6000MT CL40...with XMP the PC boot but lots of errors in MEMTEST...I lowered the MT to 5200 and CL to 28-34-34-68 1.350v...and works like a charm no errors 😁
You might need to look at the memory support of your board. 4x16GB might be 1R, (heard it could sometimes be 2R which further lowers the potential clock speeds you can reach) and 2DPC 1R could be rated to well under 6000MHz. The board I got for the 2 sticks of 32GB I got is rated for "1DPC 2R Up to 6000+ MHz" so my 5600MHZ should have a high chance of just working fine. If I got another pair It most likely wont run above 4800 as it's only rated for "2DPC 2R Up to 4800+ MHz" which is what 4x32GB sticks function as.
@@JoshM7 2 STICKS of ram can run @6400MT on my board ...But now after the latest BIOS , I can run 4 sticks @5600MT and 28-30-30-60 1.350V without any errors in memtest
Hey! so ive got a 12900k, 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz, Z690 Aorus Master MB, 3080 ti aorus master and this crashes on their own xmp profile i cant even boot and i get a memory code on the motherboard all my games stutter when im streaming in 1080p and playing in 4k max on apex and this is kind of ridiculous because i bought almost the best everything and nothing is working right in either windows 10 or 11
Aesthetics are important to me next to performance. Obviously performance first. That being said I wish Corsair would continue making the fake dimms for DDR5 with all its RGB kits. Vengeance and Doms. A mobo with 2 slots being used out of 4 just doesn’t look good when using RGB ram.
People spend too much time obsessing over the innards of their pc when concerning "keeping up with the Joneses". I remember a time when people just played games without caring so much about what brands were under the hood.
This was surprisingly entertaining to watch someone perform the little tedious details to make a machine function properly. Which is something I do often. Good information. Thank you.
its still early adopter of ddr5, but the headaches and the pricing is why i went ddr4. i belive mr tech notice also mentioned for creation amount is greater than speed. i might be wrong.
Hello. Do you think the DDR5 would make a big difference in comparison with DDR4 using i7 13th g. and Z790 motherboard for music and video production? Worth it?
I was looking for 4 x 16GB or 4 x 32GB kits and there's literally nothing. That the motherboards are advertised as 128GB capable with RAM kits on QVL is hugely misleading if not downright false advertising. How does one get 128GB @ 6,000mhz DDR5 today? You can't. Interesting video!!
@@theTechNotice I have a set of 2x16 GB 5200mhz and 2x16 4800 MHz (ddr5) on a MSI pro z690-a and a i5 12600k, it runs on 4800 just fine, I'm considering about to change my 4800 set to a 2x32gb 5200mhz set, but will I obtain any benefit to the larger amount of ram in davinci resolve studio? I film in 4K...
Brother, can you recommend some tests that can give me an idea or crash my pc if my rams are not stable? Or do I just have to wait until my pc automatically crashes/freezes to know my rams are not stable? I know i'll get bsod but sometimes pc turns on works fine and after some time it crashes and I don't want to spend 10 minutes figuring out if it's stable only to get disappointed 😞 so if there is a software to do some testing, please tell me.
I got a 7800X3D. I went with 4 sticks of T-Create 6000MTs CL30. I get weekly blue screens. Surprisingly stable since it's only weekly. I can work hardcore creator workloads for entire days straight with no issues, but once a week I'll be randomly hit by a blue screen. I've ruled out every other possible cause, and none of the RAM sticks are bad. This is my first time going with 4 sticks and now I wish I went with 2 lol, but I am experimenting now with trying to get it fully stable since it's been surprisingly stable otherwise. I've rolled by speeds to 5600MTs to keep the timings, since AMD seems to respond better to low timings; as opposed to higher speeds. If that doesn't work I'll try 5200MTs at CL30. If that doesn't work maybe I'll try CL34; basically copying the 2x32 spec from teamgroup. If that doesn't work I'll try 5600MT at CL40, or take half the sticks out and call it another learning mistake in PC building lol...like when I built my first & only dual-GPU PC in 2012.
Advertised speeds are for the memory it doesn't guarantee that the mem mb and proc combo can reach that speed. Hint: look at the intel specs for its processor mem speed.
Fantastic video, thank you. I am having the exact same issues with my new computer. Just bought the Corsair Vengeance i8100 that came with 2 sticks of 32Gb Dominator DDR5 ram clocked at 6,000MHz. Tried installing 2 more 32 Gb sticks of the exact same ram. Same speed, size same everything and the new computer would not go more than 3 min. without a crash and need to reboot. I even got 2 blue screens and total system lock up in the first hour. When I pulled the new ram back out, everything started working great. Also, when I removed the added RAM, it was very hot to the touch. About to watch your update video. Hope it has a solution to the problem.
Thanks; just updated my 2x32GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR5-5200 with an extra set on Asus Z690-Plus with i9-12900KF CPU; did not work with the advertised 5200 Mhz. Troubleshooting and found your channel. Already running latest and greatest BIOS. Will keep an eye out here - thank you for the detailed video.
Do you plan to test the crucial 128Gb, which have default speed @4800? It's also listed at the Pugets recommended system for Davinci resolve. Thank you for all the info, keep up the excellent work!
I have the same specs as you have, the exact same Kingston Ram, even the same GPU. I only have a different CPU, an AMD Ryzen 9, 7900x cpu running on an ASUS Prime B650-Plus. According to specs this board also supports that ram, according to the QVL. I have not been messing in the bios at first. Tried 64GB, ran perfectly fine at 4,800Mt/s. Then added the other two dimms for the total of 128GB, but my pc wouldn't boot. I tried turning on Memory Training, but I simply could not get into the bios. Only when removing two dimms it worked again. For me it's not even needed 4 dimms running at 4,800Mt/s. If all of them ran at 3,600Mt/s it would be fine as well, but also this combination is not working. And, I did upgraded the bios a few days ago. It could probably be the motherboard, which is not the most expensive board, but one could assume if the specs say, it can handle 128GB, it should be able to handle 128GB. So currently I have 2 (expensive) Kingston dimms lying here collecting dust. Any suggestion how I get 4 of them working? 128GB on 3,600Mt/s is faster than 64GB on 4,800Mt/s. It did work for a while, but I noticed after the bios update (when all settings are reset, and of course the 4 dimms were set back to auto, the pc refused to boot again), that after removing the 2 extra sticks my video editor is working a lot slower. I do a lot of video effects, encoding on 4K video material. Any suggestions on how to get this working?
i got 4 DIMMs at EXPO to work, i run 4 Gskill Flare x5 5600 on a Asrock X670e Pro Rs , & i actually am using their first initial bios with the motherboard (1.03) & my OC is stable, when i update my bios to their recent versions (1.07) i cant get it to post, took me a day of testing to figure this out
Curious, does 4 sticks of RAM actually outperform 2 sticks of RAM by alot for AM5? Apology if I had provided misinformation, I am not educated enough on this subject, thus I am asking. I just brought 7950X with two sticks of 5200 at 64GB in total, cause I have some concerns with 4 sticks. Your video came a few hours later after I brought it.
4 sticks will give you more memory capacity in return for somewhat slower memory speeds. It will depend on what you are doing whether you will get more or less performance. If your system is frequently fetching data from a storage device you will get greater performance with more memory running at a slower speed.
@@christopherjackson2157 Thank you for your detailed reply. Noted and Understood. Guess I will put on getting the next two sticks till next year, once DDR5 technology gets a little more mature. Thank you once again.
Actual Overclocked did a video on this, saying DDR5 motherboards should only come with 2 dimm slots. Basically, the memory controller for DDR5 is still new, thus overclocking the ram anywhere above 5200M/T is a hit or miss. Now with that said, it depends on your motherboard and the cpu. The 7950X should be fine with 2 sticks at 5200M/T, as AMD pretty much guaranteed it to be able to get 6000M/T as the sweet spot for AM5. However, if you put in another 2 sticks, it will drop down to 3600M/T. Like I've said before, the platform for DDR5 is still new and immature, much like DDR4 in 2015-2017, when getting to 3200M/T was a miracle. You can try to manually overclock 4 sticks to 4800M/T, but it will take quite some time to fiddle with the CAS and timing. As per XMP and EXPO profile, they will be rendered useless once you have 4 sticks. For now, I would recommend you stay with 2 sticks. Probably in 2-3 more years, when DDR5 is more widely distributed, then we will be able to do what we can with 4 sticks of DDR4.
@@dutchmilk That's why I am disappointed in AM5 going DDR5 only. It's not about the price, but the stability. In 2017, I went on my first AM4 build with the X370 Taichi. The fastest I could run on 4 sticks were 2400M/T. After 4 years, with tons of BIOS updates, I managed to get them to run at 3000M/T, after days of meddling with the timings. Still, there would be crashes and BSOD every now and then. My advice for early tech adopters is to be patient. It will take time, a lot of time, for the manufacturers to refine their technology. Congrats on your new build, tho.
@theTechNotice The HP omen 45 does not boot or goes in bios when testing this. I have kingston 2x 64 ddr5 6000mhz running at 4400. would it be better put an extra 64 ram in?
What about running 4 sticks of 32 Set to 3600? Wendel at level one hesitantly said 128GB was stable at 3600. What are your thoughts? And is that 3600 speed reduction even noticeable for creators? Thank you!
yes, it is noticeable. I am stable at 4533mhz with 4x16gb modules(TG UD5-7200 rated for 7200mhz) and it is noticably slow at 4533mhz, while at 5600mhz it seems snappy, and 6400 and above everything seems instantaneous. here are my figures from passmark ram benchmark to illustrate the speed difference: 4533mhz = 3391 ram score 5600mhz = 4001 ram score 6400mhz = 4221 ram score 7200mhz = 4443 ram score Unfortunately anything over 4533mhz is unstable. either boot looping, bsod, or tons of errors in various ram tests. As you can see, the difference between 4533mhz and 5600mhz is 81st percentile vs 99percentile. So the difference between 3600mhz and 5600mhz would be extreme. To me between 5600mhz and 6400mhz are holy grail for 4 dimm ddr5 right now. if you can get it stable. because the hynix a-die chips will support much tighter timings at these speeds, where as 6400+ the timings start getting looser. so you loose speed in favor of bandwidth. that is reflected in the memory scores above. the only reason the scores keep going up is the increased bandwidth, while all other performance characteristics are suffering, like the important one which is latency.
This is the single most helpful comment I have found on the internet about this issue. I have been debating on getting 2 Corsair dominator 6000mhz 64gb (2x32) kits to try and get 128gbs running stable in my system. Do you think I could get 128gbs stable at 5600mhz or would I have to drop the mhz even lower? I have a 13900ks and rog Maximus z790 hero and a 4090
Thanks for the in-depth video. I got a Ryzen 7590x setup myself with 2 sets of 2x32GB kits. Even at the stock bios speeds it was very unstable, and I ended up returning my first motherboard because of it. Having the same issue on the next board, I ended up having to de-clock and up the voltage on the RAM manually to get it stable. So far I have 4200MHz at CL32 stable. Far from the advertised 5800MHz on the sticks. I do hope this is all fixable with future updates, and not hardware limitations.
@@ChatGTA345 with the latest bios update, I've been able to get 4800 cl 36 stable, but I had to increase the voltages and go up to 1.4v to the sticks. I haven't spent a whole lot of time fine tuning the timings, but higher MHz resulted in boot loops. Hopefully things keeps getting better with the updates.
@@insertnamehere4419 I think the issue in this thread is to be able to run 128GB (4 x 32GB) configuration. It's not currently possible to run any kit available on the market above 4,800
im using the same XPG Caster 16x2 with Aorus Z690 Pro. I always suspect whether its the BIOS that cant support or this particular RAM kit is bad. I tried 6000 last time and it was unstable until it kept bluescreen until windows corrupted. finally went for native 4800 and it was stable. now trying 5200 on the same kit. hopefully can slowly go up to 5600 at least or even 6000 with some luck on the bios update. But i still dont know whether the mobo is good enough for future 64gb or not :(
same board. z690 aorus pro. with latest f20b bios? my ram also xpg, but the lancer rgb 6000mhz version, but mine get lucky cause my xmp 6000mhz its works fine since the older bios f8 & f20a and now the latest f20b just run great too. my ram model also in the Qvl memory support from aorus pro
@@SUTH_33 u are indeed one lucky fella! Becos indeed i was on the Lancer too intially when i build the rig from scratch and i got a lemon unit that fried it on the spot LOL. so i took the opportunity to so called upgrade to Caster (due to the additional heatsink advertised). I sincerely hope the F20B is better now cos the F8 was horrible experience for me. and no, my caster was not on the QVL :S
@@waisign how bro? the f20b works? if its stay unstable, u can try gain a little dram voltages. xpg 6000 kit is 1.35v, slowly gain 1.36 - 1.40v. using the gigabyte 'easy tune' software. hope it works 👍
@@waisign your kit is samsung or hynix? mine is samsung, seeing alot of review said the hynix chips is better than the samsung for ddr5 story. better oc capability
tried running 4x 16GB @ 7200 on 13900K ... it will boot. But as soon as any serious load on the system it will crash. I think I will try to bump it down to 6800 or 7000MHz. It seems like it's almost there. It runs perfectly fine @ 7200 MHz with 2 sticks.
I just got the ASUS Proart Z790, I9-13900k, and ASUS RTX 4080. I was planning on 4 sticks 128GB DDR5. Is this just a 12th gen problem? Or will I be running into issues too?
I'm looking to build a similar system just with a MSI 4070 TI Gaming X Trio (card I was able to order while in stock). I saw Kingston Fury Beast 5600 64GB (x2 32GB) for $343 Canadian and thought it was a "reasonable" enough price to purchase to sets for 128 GBs. However, with this video I think I'll just get one set and hope things work out so I can expand to 128GB DDR5 at some point in the future. But I don't yet understand if this is a hard ware issue with just the RAM, MOBO or both? Which RAM are you looking at getting? Thanks!
Your videos have been very helpful and informative! Yes, G. Skill DDR 5 5600 kept getting BSODs (I thought a DIMM slot was bad) running on ProArt Z690 Creator Wifi mobo with i9-12900K, new build Bios 2004 & GeForce RTX 3090..however, runs great on 2 sticks at 5600. I don't want to have to continually do tweaks to run 4 sticks. Thank you for your update!
from what i have heard lately, it is about how 32GB+ sticks are DUAL channels which max out the bandwidth. anything else "overloads" it and really doesnt make much of a difference. i am completely new to the DDR5 quirks but it makes sense. i found that corsair currently sells a 4 stick kit BUT its only 8GB or 16GB but they are only single channel sticks. from how it was explained in a video, a single channel is writing or read only. dual channel can read and write at the same time. there seems to only be 4 channels for a 4 DIMM mobo. the only way that a lay man like me can think of is that mobo will have to have 8 channels for 4 DIMMs. however, i think that would impact the cpu and mobo development quite a bit. hope this might make a little sense. PS- single channel, the ram chips are on ONE side of the stick. dual channel has ram chips on BOTH sides.
I've had CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x3GB 6000MHz and now have CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x48GB 6600MHz running no XMP 4200MHz. When I updated to the latest BIOS Version for ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Dark Hero, PC wouldn't BOOT. When I removed two RAMs, I could BOOT with XMP ON and run at max speed. I updated BIOS back to oringinal and now can BOOT with 4 RAMs. If I remove two RAMs I can run at full speed XMP ON. Question now is run 192GB at 4200MHz or run 96GB at 6600MHz? Tech Notice "What do you think?"
I have T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB Kit 6000MHz whenever I Enable XMP it always take take 2 minutes to boot up always not first time yellow LED light in motherboard as well please help
Hey i just installeed 32 more gb ram into my rig with 4 sticks instead of 2 Had no issue with xmp on 32 gb but after getting new ram my pc restart alot. What Can i do?
The question is: Is this 4 slot problem possible to solve via software (BIOS update) or does this problem require also hardware adjustements (like newer mobos)?
My system won't boot with 64GB or 128GB of G.Skill TridentZ rams in XMP I or XMP II with the ASUS z590-e either, it's just a black screen...any ideas or suggestions?
I bought a new build with a Tuf z790 plus wifi motherboard, I7 13700k cpu, Gigabyte RTX 4080 OC and a 2x16 32gb Corsair Dominator 6200mhz ddr5 kit. Every time I tried to enable the XMP profile the system would fail post. I found a forum thread that mentioned slot population, I removed the dimms and populated the 2 dimms in slots 2 and 4, BANG! XMP working at 6200mhz, no issues at all.
@@n4ul17o yes but apparently thats just DDR5, not sure if correct but the way I understand it is that it needs the extra latency because of how fast it is.
Depends on the bios. Some versions of bios wont allow it properly due to new updates for newer cpus for the MB. I found with mine, i had to manually set the ddr voktage up .2 volts when using XMP. Older bios, xmp will work without voltage change. Something to do with bios uogrades and cpu compatibilities.
@@GainesvilleKen let me disagree. Memory is not a cpu. Like you test a cpu OC in prime95 or Aida, and then get bsod in some game. Memory is an array which can be checked very thoroughly in a statistical and scientifically proven way actually. Same with video vram, drive surface and other memory types. Also if you have 64+ gigs of ram, it would be nearly impossible to occupy it all completely and then check the stored data for consistency.
@@sevezart I believe that in the current situation with 4 sticks not working, while two work great, the memory can test perfectly but then fail to function properly with the CPU, controllers, and Windows competing for cells in the array. So you could pass dozens of tests, but fail in real world--until intel, RAM makers, and motherboard manufacturers work things out together.
@@GainesvilleKen Yeah, in fact I agree. My point is that ideally the memory should be tested in both ways. From my perspective - in my work I would not rely on the memory which hasn't been tested inside and out. For personal gaming rig a light testing is just fine.
@@sevezart Just conjecture, but I see this issue, with z690 and z790 for intel, as a ripple effect of lockdowns around the world. In my opinion, engineers and techs, despite being very tech savvy, don't do much better working remotely than counterparts in other fields. So instead of long days and late nights collaborating in person, they designed latest chipsets etc in a less effective team scenario. Plus quality control with worker stress and other factors. Hope things smooth out!
This is a nightmare. I was running 2x32Gb for some months, running perfectly at 6000Mhz. And now i saved some extra money and got 2 other identical blades. Vengeance 32x2 (64Gb) CL32-6400Mhz. Updated my Msi Bios to latest (It's a AM5 system) 7950x. The full Ram (128Gb) identified at bios, but after the first boot, never POST again. So i had to PHYSICALLY remove 2 blades to be able to see the Bios again, down the speed to 4000Ghz and now they finally Boot. Also the Boot is Soooooo SLOW takes ages to start loading windows. When it start loading it it loads fast.
Just built a system with 128GB DDR5 based on 6600 sticks. Can boot Win11 at 5400. Knew I have to sacrifice clock rate with 4 sticks. Finally can be stable at 4800 with aggressive latency parameters (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS etc.). On the future upgrade path from 64GB two stick, I'm unsure if I can get the exactly same 64GB sticks later. So might as well get 4 sticks now or none.
AMD 7950x here with 128GB (4x32) G.Skill Flare X5 on ASRock x670e, I can occasionally boot with AMD EXPO for my ram but have experienced memory corruption (confirmed with memtest) so I disabled it. The extra speed would be nice but the capacity is essential for me.
i got a question, if i got 2x16 sticks of corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz cl36 and another 2 same but 32x2, can i use 4 of them together? or in order to the pc dual chanel to work properly it has also to have same capacity ? and if can i use them together, can i use xmp for 4 of them together?
I bought my X570 PC before I was aware of the limitations with regard to populating all memory slots. I should have bought 2 16gb sticks. The memory controller has a tough time with maintaining a 1 to 1 "Infinity Fabric" (1,800Mhz) with all memory slots populated. 16gb sticks were somewhat rare and expensive at the time. I bought 4 sticks of 3,600Mhz c14, 15, 15, 15, 35 (Samsung B-die), and though I could get all 4 sticks to operate at their XMP profile, I had WHEA errors. They were incredibly intermittent- sometimes going for days without a reboot even though correctable WHEA errors were happening in the background all the time. This lasted through several different video cards, and 2 CPU's- as I had a 5600x prior to the 5900x. Recently, I bought a new GPU, and while changing it my water pump died. While replacing the water pump, and the GPU, I accidentally ripped the 5900X out of its socket without releasing the bar- ouch. This happened because of how damn well the Thermal Grizzly pink thermal paste was adhering between the CPU, and waterblock. While simply trying to remove the water block, it pulled off the CPU with it. However, there was no damage, it just cleaned the pins, even scraping off a thin layer of gold plating(I wonder where that went). I crossed my fingers and reinstalled everything, and thankfully it posted, and booted just fine, and low and behold- no more WHEA errors.. It's been almost two weeks, now. What the hell? Was one of my pins dirty, and not getting good contact?! Now I'm afraid to change anything.
love the info on ram!b With so many brands out there it is so easy to over spend! All this info is helping me see how much I need, what speeds and what I don't need! Thank you!
Even after all this time , ram, cpu and boards manufacturers really need to solve this with 4 sticks!!! 4 sticks! 128 Gig still will not run at 5000 or 6000 very disappointing
As far i remember from the 12th gen cpu reviews, tt's not a matter of ram or either motherboards. It's the cpu that doesn't support 4 stick of memory in xmp mode
For some reason, I couldn’t change anything in my Gigabyte Bios. But after I unplugged the battery for 20 seconds, with no power cable and turned on my PC with all 4 Ram blocks. It worked perfectly 🙂
Im currently running 4x16gb DDR5 5200mhz sticks of corsair dominator on the asus strix z690e on xmp3 without any issue (bios v2204 - december 2022) After install it booted straight to windows. No boot loops or crashes.
I agree keeping the BIOS up to date is important. It can sometimes have a bad effect if a system is already stable but on new/cutting edge tech it often solves more issues than it causes. As a tip: I found a need on my ASUS boards to also do a clear CMOS and reset to default settings before reconfiguring all the settings again as this had a material impact on performance and stability. Reloading saved profiles or not loading back to defaults would sometimes see strange behaviour.
When you update the bios tbe saved profiles are removed and a cmos is done automatically for you. I learned the hard way and lost all my configs / oc undervolt but figured it back out 😂 and took screenshots of my uief settings
Agree, it wipes the saved profiles when doing an update. I loaded my saved profile from a USB drive I had exported it to assuming it would be fine and found it wasn’t 100%. Reconfiguring the exact same settings after a Clear CMOS manually resulted in a much better stability and slightly more performance.
Currently running a z690 with 128 gigs at 6k mhz. I have a LOT of instability. Iv had days where I tune it and it runs great all day all 4 sticks but usually on restart or idle it crashes and goes into boot loops. Upping voltage helped, I’m going to try a few different things but this process is lengthy
Great video; never knew it was such an issue running 4 dimms on 12th gen. I'm keen to see a comparison video vs 13th gen, to see if it's the same issue, but I suspect you'll have better luck. 13th gen seems to be more stable at higher memory frequencies... whether it's to do with silicon refinement, or a modified IMC design, I'm not sure. Have you tried increasing certain CPU voltages (eg. system agent; VDDQ; VDD2 etc.), and memory voltages (higher than XMP), to see if it will boot/run stable?
The controller on 13th gen cpus was greatly improved and it seems there are no issues even when running 4x32gb @6000mhz or higher, even though it is not probably the best idea to go much further than that for the sake of stability. On the other hand seems like AMD has more problems with ddr5 than expected.
@@mastroitek Yeah definitely; my 13900k (like many others no doubt) can quite easily hit 7000 CL32 (2x 16gb) with Hynix m-die... there's still a bit left in it, haven't tried pushing it to the limits yet :)
@@mastroitek Nothing wrong with DDR4 mate! :) Try OC'ing it (eg. 3200mhz), and extend the life; there's *not* major gains to be made for DDR4 --> DDR5.
@@heyitsjel tbh i don't need faster ram, I rarely game and use the pc for studying and Photoshop. So rn I have 24gb of ram but it comes from 2x4gb kingston + 1x8gb Corsair + 1x8 gskill. I'm too lazy to even try to find a stable OC between all of them 😂.
Here's an update/explanation to this video: th-cam.com/video/wzVZgTP2204/w-d-xo.html
I have AMD build same problem with the Asus Tuf X670E motherboard first dual (kingstom ram 2×16) channel works on 6000mhz. But if use 4 dual channel it not boot up to windows. Strange things is you can see and hear fans spinning plus all ram have rbg light up but black screen. So issue is not the ram stick but need a firmware update ???
XMP my Z790 AORA Master motherboard won't boot with 128G (4x32) G.Skill 6000 MHz and XMP enabled.
I want to try 5200 with "manual xmp"... But yeah..
Will changing timings manually help? I assume making the timings 'worse' even a small bit may improve compatability?
Hello. I have the same problem as you but on an Asus HERO Z690. After seeing a video of the ASUS ProArt Z790 where they put 4 sticks of RAM at 6000MT/s running without any problem, I have considered the option of buying that motherboard. However, seeing that you're having problems with a Z790, I'm not sure I do anymore. The video in question is titled "128GB DDR5-6000 Kingston FURY BEAST Intel XMP Certified"
@@n4ul17o If it's a kit of 128, it should work fine. Combining 2 kits probably wont though, like mine.
having same problem, withn Z790, 3 G.skills DDR5 sticks 16,32 and 16GB (slots used 12,4) not able to enable XMP. currently running at speed of 4000MHZ
I built a 12900KS with the ProArt Z690 and 128GB of DDR5. As you highlighted in this video, I had continuous issues trying to get the sticks to operate at anything above base clock. The system would refuse to POST and usually required me to remove the other two sticks of RAM before it would even boot again. Every time a new BIOS version was released for that board. I immediately installed it, hoping it would correct the issues, but it never did, to include the very latest version with 13th Gen support. I dropped everything on eBay and built a Threadripper PRO 5975WX with 256GB of ECC DDR4. It will be years before I even attempt to mess with DDR5 again. Not impressed.
Good decision. Especially with the ECC rams. You will have an amazingly stable workstation. The only thing I don’t like about Threadripper builds is the lack of nice mainboards. I found most of them not really looking good.
@Ms Moon Boo done mate. I was a little too fast. sorry for that :-)
@Ms Moon Boo I also deleted the other comment.
why are you so rich?
i mean..... the reason is due to ddr5 using 4 seperate channels on 2 sticks.. 4 sticks = 8octo if single sided.
To be fair, on Intel Ark product specification:
i9-12900K : Up to DDR5 4800 MT/s
i9-13900K : Up to DDR5 5600 MT/s
Which leads me to believe that if you have a 13th gen, you can could run 5200 MT/s or even 5600 MT/s. Chip is out thursday officially. On vas bien voir!
ur right, i just got an i9 13thgen , and my ram finally runs at 5600mhz 64gb without any problem
@@rekenops8651 Four sticks?
So how are people getting their systems to work with higher clocks?
Don't forget to read all the specs. 'Up to' 5600 mt/s on 13th gen. That's with 1 dimm per channel. I can't seem to find the damn chart unfortunately, however speeds decrease with increased ram. As in more sticks. Then you have the stress of single vs dual rank ram, dual rank puts more stress on the memory controller. Having all 4 dimms populated 2dpc, also adds more stress. And if you're talking ddr5, then a typical 32gb of ram in 2x16gb is just fine. It's 1dpc and single rank, there are no dual rank ddr5 at 16gb per stick. 32gb sticks and up are dual rank. Tech Notice here is using 4 sticks, 128gb so 32gb per stick. Worst case scenario, dual rank and 2dpc. The most stress on the memory controller.
And of course intel's official speeds drop the more stress you add to the system. Hence the 'up to'. Then there's also the consideration that intel's officially supported speeds don't mean people 'can't' run faster ram, just that it's not guaranteed to run. You run a ddr5 1dpc setup of 2x16gb on 13th gen and you get ddr5 6000 it'll probably work. But if it doesn't, if for some strange reason someone got a low end lottery cpu and it will only function at 5600 mt/s, well that's all intel said it would run. They never promised more. There's no rma for that. I imagine if the chip was severely hosed and could only run 5200 mt/s within intel's specs, the cpu could likely be seen as 'faulty' and rma'd. Intel's already been confirming 13th gen working with ddr5 over 7000 mt/s so maybe they'll update their specs? But then they'd have to guarantee all 13th gen will handle it and that might be another story.
@@Mehecanogeesir Intel official specs aren't the 'max', just the confirmed spec. Many people enable xmp and get well over the 'max' on the intel specs but it's not guaranteed. Xmp is never guaranteed. The ram company can promise you 'ddr5 6400'. The motherboard can promise you 'max memory speeds of 7200+!'. But neither gets to dictate what you get. They can only speak for their component. That stick of ram 'can' run that fast, that motherboard 'can' run ram that fast. Ultimately it's up to the integrated memory controller in the cpu. In this case, intel. Some people could run ddr4 4000, others ddr4 3600. Some people put ddr4 3600 in their system and no boot with xmp enabled. It didn't like it. They had to drop to ddr4 3200 which was still technically more than intel promised for ddr4. But it wasn't what they were hoping for and what they were hoping for was a roll of the dice. Silicon lottery, like a good overclocker vs a poor one. The cpu's are all within manufacturing tolerance, a range of performance. Which is why you could have one cpu with a 'max' top end of 3.9ghz at 1.26v running 4.6 or 4.7ghz oc'd. And another with the same model cpu couldn't get 4.4ghz stable even pushing 1.3v core voltage. They had to settle for 4.2 or 4.3ghz. The reference to 'golden' chips meaning those in the same product line that were just the best tolerances and like a lucky lotto winner got a better version of the same thing out of the box.
Thanks for answering why there's no 4 sticks available for DDR5 ram. Creators are going to drag their feet even more in adopting next gen with such a problematic hardware bottleneck.
Yeah DDR5 is still bleeding edge, it's part of the reason why I got a DDR4 board for my build, it's much easier to get high capacity of RAM. I don't think DDR5 will really be worth adopting for about another year.
@@MistyKathrine Yup 64 GB ram
@@MistyKathrine maybe two years
@@JoeWayne84 Wouldn't surprise me.
@@MistyKathrine There's an easy fix; It's go AMD.
OMG. I was WAITING for someone to mention this! Am so glad that you did.
Thank you for being one of only a few TH-camrs to talk about this issue. If feel like creators have been left out by the manufacturers for this gen 😕
same with amd ... got 7900x and 16x4 ddr5 6000mhz ram sticks .... only able to run ram @3600 mhz with timings 40 40 76 properly ... 3600+ and pc starts crashing and boot slow downs takes upto 70+ seconds sometimes to boot to windows !! what a waste of money
The clock speed of the ram is memory controller/ motherboard dependant. 2 will always clock faster than 4 though. On a like for like comparison.
i'm crying something please think of the "creators"
@@moriyokiri3229 I saw Corsair made 48GB memory modules available recently, not sure if they're compatible with AM5 now but they enable 96GB or 192GB memory total, maybe something to look into!
Wow, at least those of us who tried without knowing all the problems have the consolation of not being alone. Thank you. I tried everything to stabilize Windows 11 running 128GB without XMP on a z790 board. Ok for a few hours, then freeze, freeze, freeze at stock speeds. Latest BIOS. Wasn't a problem with CPU or paste or cooling, just this issue you were talking about four months ago! Cheers!
It's the imc of the CPU, most likely :)
@@theTechNotice Just noticed Asus posted a new BIOS version for Maximus z790 Hero. Like a moth to a flame...
win 11 is a mess but one thing worked better and that was that damn DOCP😮💨but i leave it stock and using w10 whatever it´s not worth it💁♂
You’re not doing the correct settings in the BIOS. After you set the XMP profile the next step is to go down to DRAM VDD Voltage and set it the voltage to 1.3. Then change DRAM VDDQ Voltage to 1.3. THE FINAL STEP!!! Go to “AI Tweaker Advance Memory Voltages and go down to PMIC Voltages and change it to “By Per PMIC” save and exit. Restart, it may take some time, and then it will work.
This did not work for me using 128gb Corsair 5600 (4x32) -- it booted, but I had multiple BSOD and Windows Explorer kept crashing.
@@Synchrodipityhave you found a workaround? I managed to run at most at 4200 stable.
@@angelg3986 I swapped the ram for 64gb of 5600 Kingston that was on the QVL. Stable since then.
@@SynchrodipityI have the same, and it works fine.
I would love to see you give this a second try with a 13900k instead of the 12900ks (keep the same MB). It would tell us if the problem is in the chipset or the CPU.
I think people invested in Z690 will not want to buy a Z790 so you would be answering if a new CPU could allow faster RAM speeds.
13th gen + z790 still can't enable the xmp with 4 sticks
I'm running a 13900k and a ROG Maximus z690 Formula. I tried running two kits of CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) @ 5200. I can enable XMP but the system was entirely unstable with BSOD after 15-30 minutes of running, as well as the system taking minutes to POST occasionally. I haven't tried manually setting the profile to try and get both kits running together. I can't be bothered putting in that much effort for it. Just gonna hope some people smarter than me resolve it in an easy manner.
@@GrimmLynnSH have you tried upping the voltages? VDD & VDDQ
@@SUTH_33 I get at least xmp2 with 5000 with 4x 5200 Corsairs running stable. 5066 runs with crashes, 5200 doesn't boot....
I chatted with Asus tech support and the rep said they are working on a BIOS update to address the XMP issue. I asked if I purchase 128 GB of RAM (x4 32GBs) from the QVL that a BIOS update (to come) would resolve the issue and he said it is in the works. He recommended 5600 or 5800 speeds.
I watched all your videos on DDR5 issues as I came across an issue on my own system. I am running an Asus z690e wifi + I9 12900k + 4 sticks of 16GB T-force ram rated for 6400Mhz. I originally built my PC with 32GB but then amazon had a sale on the same ram, so I added another 2 sticks to make it 64gb all together. Upon adding the 2 new sticks, BSOD started happening. What worked for me was bumping up the voltage from 1.35 to 1.37 and changing ram power deliver system from " synced all 4 " to "per dimm" and reducing my clock speeds from 6400 to 6200 . So far I was able to get stable sessions from my pc and I hope it stays this way ....
Any updates? I am not working at 6000mt/s
On 14700k z790
Your conclusion is on point. You want to build your PC then use it. Not tune the parts because of glitches from the manufacturer's end. GREAT POINT. This philosophy should be applied to CPUs and GPUs as well unless you're an enthusiast.
This finally answers the questions concerning "Plug and Play," which has often been called "Plug and Pray." I've been building PCs since the late 1980s; remember MS-DOS and early individual memory chips? None of this is new to me. Problems like this are just a part of building a PC. Sometimes you must learn to live with it or go crazy. Don't worry; just let someone else figure it all out. Hot running DRAM? You can purchase small fan DRAM coolers to solve that.
This guy was really helpful for building a new pc, I had my Asus rog mobo, Corsair DDR5 ram (6000mhz) x 4 stick and intel i9 13900k, 13 gen, turn on XMP, and voila no boot. I even update the mobo BIOS and driver on Windows 11 with no luck.
I haven’t tried to take out 2 rams yet, but I am pretty sure this will solve my issue. So anyone who wants to buy 4 sticks, do some research first since overclocking is still not stable with gen 12/13th mobo, unless you are confident with changing Voltages for CPU or memory. Good job mate.
why did you get this instead of the 7950x ?!?!?
Is this still an issue with the 13th Gen CPUs??
I have a i9 13900 and I’m running 64 GB DDR5 ram but I would love to increase to 128
Yeah, this explains a lot. I've got 4 sticks of 16GB 6400 MHz Kingston Fury w/ intel 13900k, can't run XMP at all, even at the slowest 4800 MHz profile. Blue screens everywhere. Forced to run stock @4000 MHz. Sucks from a consumers perspective that these chips are advertised at the higher speeds when they're unable to run at that frequency.
Still can’t do it with an MSI Z790-P and 14700K. I’m gonna prolly return the 2x16 sticks I got cuz I couldn’t get all 4 to run at CL 40 6000MT/s. 4000MT/s was the only stable speed.
update now you can launced 128gb 4x32 at 5600mhz
So many people reported this type of issue on AM5 and 12/13th gen intel. I plan on buying 2x32GB kit for my next build with Zen 5 or 14th gen intel for now until the situation improves with both ram channels populated.
Also if you're a scientist, engineer, or creator you really just need rock-solid stability. Even as an enthusiast I am leaning toward running my next rig at stock settings because AMD is pushing their chips to the limit out of the box. Less than 5% of performance uplift on them isn't worth the instability. With Intel, at least for now you still get gains overclocking but at the cost of a ton of power and cooling increases.
Isit a 4 sticks kit? I am running two kits of 2x48 kits because corsair dominator doesn't come with 196 gb of ram and when I XMP I have to keep the voltage at 1.41 and can't go beyond 4800 MT/S. any solutions?
I fixed it and was able to push it to 6000 but I am keeping it at 5200.
not using 4 sticks but when using 2 sticks of kingston Fury 5600, the XMP did go into windows, done benchmarks right, only once a while crash in MSFS, and don't pass FFT512+ prime 95 over 2 hours at XMP, perfectly fine with 4800MT, ended up the solution, was disabling the dynamic memory boost, now rock solid in prime 95 with XMP
Great video! BTW: What keyboard is that in the video? Looks slick!
I wonder if 13th Gen and Z790 will be any better. Or if anyone finally brings out 64gb sticks to get 128gb
I think we will see that in time. I believe DDR5 is capable of up to 256gb per stick.
Ditto. I hope we can get that tested when the 13th gen and Z790 come out next week. Anyone know if there's been any announcements for release dates for 64GB DDR5 sticks?
@@birdman8125 256gb per stick? 🤣🤣😭 are u talking about ddr9 in the years 2045??? 😭😭
13:32 It would have booted anyway. I'm not sure if you tried because of editing and not live, but I just put 6000 in my 12700K rig, and it did that same thing down to the letter. But when it said it was reset and you pulled that channel of RAM, I did not. Instead, I went into BIOS and turned on XMP (6000), rebooted like normal, and it worked like a charm. Has been running solid ever since. Not sure what that corruption message was, but all it did was reset the BIOS back to the factory, and then I just turned on XMP, and that was it.
This isn't limited to DDR5, or Intel, XMP always was dodgy with more than 2 sticks... It's a synchronization issue... Sometimes you can get around it by shuffling the sticks around, sometimes you can relax the timings manually, sometimes you can lower the frequency by 100-200MHz and then it works fine. Try your XMP 6000 setting, but manually set the clock to 5800 MHz instead.
Unstable tried
Indeed, I am having the same issue with 4x32GB in an AM4 B550 board with BIOS from August 2023. Runs at 2133, won't post at 3200 (the one XMP profile).
I haven't tried anything in between yet.
The RAM is Corsair CMK64GX4M2E3200C16. If you dig, 2133 appears to be the highest frequency at which it is guaranteed to run. It's a scam. They advertise the memory as 3200, include that number in the article number and what it actually means is "if you have no more than two DIMMs, of not too high capacity/density, with a bit of luck you may be able to overclock it to 3200 MHz and make it to a desktop without crashing".
Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5 6000 MHz AMD Expo works in a 4x 16GB configuration on my Asus X670E Extreme with AMD 7950X
jesuseffinchrist the price of the mobo is insane :(
BIOS version?
@@fabiob9147 Using latest BIOS version
@thetechnotice
hi there, do you think it can run now the 5600mhz 4x16gb in XMP2 with the newer bios? its now 2024.. thank you!
I actually bought 4 sticks of that exact Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM up to 128 GB but haven’t built it into a system yet. Are you saying that without XMP (at base speed) it will be stable but it just can’t be overclocked? If so, that’s not the biggest deal for me since my workflow just requires the capacity to hold lots of music samples. I wasn’t planning to overclock. Are the sticks stable without XMP?
yess sure, it just can't run the xmp. with the stock speed its just fine
Issue with 7950x and 4 stick
Nope mine would not write correctly with nearly 4000 errors with 4 sticks in system. Wish I would have know this before buying 4 sticks of DDR5 memory. Memory test sent: sent RRWWGET but read RRWWDET errors out the ying yang. 2 sticks of 7200 runs the memory test great, no issues.
On my AMD 7950 running 4 sticks of ram at 5600 MT/S my system bullet stable at this specs but with 4 stick of ram 64 GB total 6000 Mhz NOT STABLE the system boots up but not stable tested with Memtes 86+ , AIDA 64 Stability test , OCCT Test Not stable I tried every method not stable at all none of them worked for 4 sticks of ram ! However for 2 sticks of ram I can go 6200 MT/S stable with all tests but for 6400 Mhz system fails immediately to initialize boot up sequence ! Rams kit Kingston Fury Renegade 6000 MT/S with 3 XMP profile to set, 4800, 5600, 6000
I got 4*16 DDR5 6000MT CL40...with XMP the PC boot but lots of errors in MEMTEST...I lowered the MT to 5200 and CL to 28-34-34-68 1.350v...and works like a charm no errors 😁
Which brand/sku memory did you use? Thx
@@EvenHarmonics Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 6000MT CL40
You might need to look at the memory support of your board. 4x16GB might be 1R, (heard it could sometimes be 2R which further lowers the potential clock speeds you can reach) and 2DPC 1R could be rated to well under 6000MHz.
The board I got for the 2 sticks of 32GB I got is rated for "1DPC 2R Up to 6000+ MHz" so my 5600MHZ should have a high chance of just working fine. If I got another pair It most likely wont run above 4800 as it's only rated for "2DPC 2R Up to 4800+ MHz" which is what 4x32GB sticks function as.
@@JoshM7 2 STICKS of ram can run @6400MT on my board ...But now after the latest BIOS , I can run 4 sticks @5600MT and 28-30-30-60 1.350V without any errors in memtest
28 34 34? are u sure?
Like you said, ram, cpu and boards manufacturers really need to solve this with 4 sticks!!!
ya two cents of copper to make t topology
Hey! so ive got a 12900k, 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz, Z690 Aorus Master MB, 3080 ti aorus master and this crashes on their own xmp profile i cant even boot and i get a memory code on the motherboard all my games stutter when im streaming in 1080p and playing in 4k max on apex and this is kind of ridiculous because i bought almost the best everything and nothing is working right in either windows 10 or 11
Aesthetics are important to me next to performance. Obviously performance first. That being said I wish Corsair would continue making the fake dimms for DDR5 with all its RGB kits. Vengeance and Doms. A mobo with 2 slots being used out of 4 just doesn’t look good when using RGB ram.
People spend too much time obsessing over the innards of their pc when concerning "keeping up with the Joneses".
I remember a time when people just played games without caring so much about what brands were under the hood.
@@whathappenedtoearth6495 ok grandpa
@@juanpineda1446 I'm 39, not a grandpa by any stretch.
@@whathappenedtoearth6495sound like one
This was surprisingly entertaining to watch someone perform the little tedious details to make a machine function properly. Which is something I do often. Good information. Thank you.
Looks like it's not just an AMD problem for 4 sticks of RAM 128gb. Thanks for this
its still early adopter of ddr5, but the headaches and the pricing is why i went ddr4. i belive mr tech notice also mentioned for creation amount is greater than speed. i might be wrong.
I'm waiting for you to test this on 13 gen, very interested in upgrading next spring and thanks for your work!
13th? same. xmp can't works with 4 sticks of ram
@@SUTH_33 AHOC youtube channel got 4 sticks of 16GB sticks running at 6000mhz
Hello. Do you think the DDR5 would make a big difference in comparison with DDR4 using i7 13th g. and Z790 motherboard for music and video production? Worth it?
why not just use a z690 should do the job just fine with 13th gen
I was looking for 4 x 16GB or 4 x 32GB kits and there's literally nothing. That the motherboards are advertised as 128GB capable with RAM kits on QVL is hugely misleading if not downright false advertising. How does one get 128GB @ 6,000mhz DDR5 today? You can't. Interesting video!!
exactly!
@@theTechNotice I have a set of 2x16 GB 5200mhz and 2x16 4800 MHz (ddr5) on a MSI pro z690-a and a i5 12600k, it runs on 4800 just fine, I'm considering about to change my 4800 set to a 2x32gb 5200mhz set, but will I obtain any benefit to the larger amount of ram in davinci resolve studio? I film in 4K...
13900 and ASRock z790 Live Mixer works with 128GB Corsair 5200 memory, even though their website says it won't work with 4 sticks
Brother, can you recommend some tests that can give me an idea or crash my pc if my rams are not stable? Or do I just have to wait until my pc automatically crashes/freezes to know my rams are not stable? I know i'll get bsod but sometimes pc turns on works fine and after some time it crashes and I don't want to spend 10 minutes figuring out if it's stable only to get disappointed 😞 so if there is a software to do some testing, please tell me.
So useful. Thanks for the explanation 🙏🏽
What about 13th gen? Same issue prevails? The issue is only because of the motherboard??
I got a 7800X3D. I went with 4 sticks of T-Create 6000MTs CL30. I get weekly blue screens. Surprisingly stable since it's only weekly. I can work hardcore creator workloads for entire days straight with no issues, but once a week I'll be randomly hit by a blue screen. I've ruled out every other possible cause, and none of the RAM sticks are bad. This is my first time going with 4 sticks and now I wish I went with 2 lol, but I am experimenting now with trying to get it fully stable since it's been surprisingly stable otherwise. I've rolled by speeds to 5600MTs to keep the timings, since AMD seems to respond better to low timings; as opposed to higher speeds. If that doesn't work I'll try 5200MTs at CL30. If that doesn't work maybe I'll try CL34; basically copying the 2x32 spec from teamgroup. If that doesn't work I'll try 5600MT at CL40, or take half the sticks out and call it another learning mistake in PC building lol...like when I built my first & only dual-GPU PC in 2012.
What I love in the Windows ecosystem is a plenty option of customization and upgrades which is similar to car or motorcycle modification.
Advertised speeds are for the memory it doesn't guarantee that the mem mb and proc combo can reach that speed. Hint: look at the intel specs for its processor mem speed.
How can we avoid a blue screen? is it better not to mess with the RAM XMP?(2×32 sticks ddr 5 5600gh)😕🤔
Whats the pc case behind you?...i like the matte black finish
i did the mistake and ordered 4x16 with my 7950x, but it does work, only point is that goes to 5200 and not 6000.
Fantastic video, thank you. I am having the exact same issues with my new computer. Just bought the Corsair Vengeance i8100 that came with 2 sticks of 32Gb Dominator DDR5 ram clocked at 6,000MHz. Tried installing 2 more 32 Gb sticks of the exact same ram. Same speed, size same everything and the new computer would not go more than 3 min. without a crash and need to reboot. I even got 2 blue screens and total system lock up in the first hour. When I pulled the new ram back out, everything started working great. Also, when I removed the added RAM, it was very hot to the touch. About to watch your update video. Hope it has a solution to the problem.
Thanks; just updated my 2x32GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB DDR5-5200 with an extra set on Asus Z690-Plus with i9-12900KF CPU; did not work with the advertised 5200 Mhz. Troubleshooting and found your channel. Already running latest and greatest BIOS. Will keep an eye out here - thank you for the detailed video.
Do you plan to test the crucial 128Gb, which have default speed @4800? It's also listed at the Pugets recommended system for Davinci resolve. Thank you for all the info, keep up the excellent work!
I have the same specs as you have, the exact same Kingston Ram, even the same GPU. I only have a different CPU, an AMD Ryzen 9, 7900x cpu running on an ASUS Prime B650-Plus. According to specs this board also supports that ram, according to the QVL. I have not been messing in the bios at first. Tried 64GB, ran perfectly fine at 4,800Mt/s. Then added the other two dimms for the total of 128GB, but my pc wouldn't boot. I tried turning on Memory Training, but I simply could not get into the bios. Only when removing two dimms it worked again. For me it's not even needed 4 dimms running at 4,800Mt/s. If all of them ran at 3,600Mt/s it would be fine as well, but also this combination is not working. And, I did upgraded the bios a few days ago. It could probably be the motherboard, which is not the most expensive board, but one could assume if the specs say, it can handle 128GB, it should be able to handle 128GB. So currently I have 2 (expensive) Kingston dimms lying here collecting dust. Any suggestion how I get 4 of them working? 128GB on 3,600Mt/s is faster than 64GB on 4,800Mt/s. It did work for a while, but I noticed after the bios update (when all settings are reset, and of course the 4 dimms were set back to auto, the pc refused to boot again), that after removing the 2 extra sticks my video editor is working a lot slower. I do a lot of video effects, encoding on 4K video material. Any suggestions on how to get this working?
Why are 4 sticks (128) at 3600 faster than 2 sticks (64) at 4800?
i got 4 DIMMs at EXPO to work, i run 4 Gskill Flare x5 5600 on a Asrock X670e Pro Rs , & i actually am using their first initial bios with the motherboard (1.03) & my OC is stable, when i update my bios to their recent versions (1.07) i cant get it to post, took me a day of testing to figure this out
Curious, does 4 sticks of RAM actually outperform 2 sticks of RAM by alot for AM5? Apology if I had provided misinformation, I am not educated enough on this subject, thus I am asking. I just brought 7950X with two sticks of 5200 at 64GB in total, cause I have some concerns with 4 sticks. Your video came a few hours later after I brought it.
4 sticks will give you more memory capacity in return for somewhat slower memory speeds. It will depend on what you are doing whether you will get more or less performance. If your system is frequently fetching data from a storage device you will get greater performance with more memory running at a slower speed.
@@christopherjackson2157 Thank you for your detailed reply. Noted and Understood. Guess I will put on getting the next two sticks till next year, once DDR5 technology gets a little more mature.
Thank you once again.
Actual Overclocked did a video on this, saying DDR5 motherboards should only come with 2 dimm slots. Basically, the memory controller for DDR5 is still new, thus overclocking the ram anywhere above 5200M/T is a hit or miss. Now with that said, it depends on your motherboard and the cpu. The 7950X should be fine with 2 sticks at 5200M/T, as AMD pretty much guaranteed it to be able to get 6000M/T as the sweet spot for AM5. However, if you put in another 2 sticks, it will drop down to 3600M/T. Like I've said before, the platform for DDR5 is still new and immature, much like DDR4 in 2015-2017, when getting to 3200M/T was a miracle. You can try to manually overclock 4 sticks to 4800M/T, but it will take quite some time to fiddle with the CAS and timing. As per XMP and EXPO profile, they will be rendered useless once you have 4 sticks. For now, I would recommend you stay with 2 sticks. Probably in 2-3 more years, when DDR5 is more widely distributed, then we will be able to do what we can with 4 sticks of DDR4.
@@luanphan2706 well noted. Thank you very much. Guess that is what all early adopters of new technology would face.
@@dutchmilk That's why I am disappointed in AM5 going DDR5 only. It's not about the price, but the stability. In 2017, I went on my first AM4 build with the X370 Taichi. The fastest I could run on 4 sticks were 2400M/T. After 4 years, with tons of BIOS updates, I managed to get them to run at 3000M/T, after days of meddling with the timings. Still, there would be crashes and BSOD every now and then. My advice for early tech adopters is to be patient. It will take time, a lot of time, for the manufacturers to refine their technology. Congrats on your new build, tho.
Hey do you cover amd content?
Not work with 4 !!!
Ok, asus, gigabyte, msi, sleep or can make bios update to fix this ???
@theTechNotice The HP omen 45 does not boot or goes in bios when testing this. I have kingston 2x 64 ddr5 6000mhz running at 4400. would it be better put an extra 64 ram in?
What about running 4 sticks of 32 Set to 3600? Wendel at level one hesitantly said 128GB was stable at 3600. What are your thoughts? And is that 3600 speed reduction even noticeable for creators? Thank you!
yes, it is noticeable. I am stable at 4533mhz with 4x16gb modules(TG UD5-7200 rated for 7200mhz) and it is noticably slow at 4533mhz, while at 5600mhz it seems snappy, and 6400 and above everything seems instantaneous. here are my figures from passmark ram benchmark to illustrate the speed difference:
4533mhz = 3391 ram score
5600mhz = 4001 ram score
6400mhz = 4221 ram score
7200mhz = 4443 ram score
Unfortunately anything over 4533mhz is unstable. either boot looping, bsod, or tons of errors in various ram tests. As you can see, the difference between 4533mhz and 5600mhz is 81st percentile vs 99percentile. So the difference between 3600mhz and 5600mhz would be extreme. To me between 5600mhz and 6400mhz are holy grail for 4 dimm ddr5 right now. if you can get it stable. because the hynix a-die chips will support much tighter timings at these speeds, where as 6400+ the timings start getting looser. so you loose speed in favor of bandwidth. that is reflected in the memory scores above. the only reason the scores keep going up is the increased bandwidth, while all other performance characteristics are suffering, like the important one which is latency.
This is the single most helpful comment I have found on the internet about this issue. I have been debating on getting 2 Corsair dominator 6000mhz 64gb (2x32) kits to try and get 128gbs running stable in my system. Do you think I could get 128gbs stable at 5600mhz or would I have to drop the mhz even lower? I have a 13900ks and rog Maximus z790 hero and a 4090
Thanks for the in-depth video. I got a Ryzen 7590x setup myself with 2 sets of 2x32GB kits. Even at the stock bios speeds it was very unstable, and I ended up returning my first motherboard because of it. Having the same issue on the next board, I ended up having to de-clock and up the voltage on the RAM manually to get it stable. So far I have 4200MHz at CL32 stable. Far from the advertised 5800MHz on the sticks. I do hope this is all fixable with future updates, and not hardware limitations.
Not even at 4800 stable? I'd totally go for it they worked without XMP at that level, but 4200 CL32 is basically 2x worse than 3600 CL16 😕
@@ChatGTA345 with the latest bios update, I've been able to get 4800 cl 36 stable, but I had to increase the voltages and go up to 1.4v to the sticks. I haven't spent a whole lot of time fine tuning the timings, but higher MHz resulted in boot loops. Hopefully things keeps getting better with the updates.
@@tronotrond I see, what's your latency as measured by AIDA64?
I've had zero issues with my 7700x and 6000mhz xmp. Is the memory you chose on your boards QVL?
@@insertnamehere4419 I think the issue in this thread is to be able to run 128GB (4 x 32GB) configuration. It's not currently possible to run any kit available on the market above 4,800
im using the same XPG Caster 16x2 with Aorus Z690 Pro. I always suspect whether its the BIOS that cant support or this particular RAM kit is bad. I tried 6000 last time and it was unstable until it kept bluescreen until windows corrupted. finally went for native 4800 and it was stable. now trying 5200 on the same kit. hopefully can slowly go up to 5600 at least or even 6000 with some luck on the bios update. But i still dont know whether the mobo is good enough for future 64gb or not :(
same board. z690 aorus pro. with latest f20b bios? my ram also xpg, but the lancer rgb 6000mhz version, but mine get lucky cause my xmp 6000mhz its works fine since the older bios f8 & f20a and now the latest f20b just run great too. my ram model also in the Qvl memory support from aorus pro
@@SUTH_33 u are indeed one lucky fella! Becos indeed i was on the Lancer too intially when i build the rig from scratch and i got a lemon unit that fried it on the spot LOL. so i took the opportunity to so called upgrade to Caster (due to the additional heatsink advertised). I sincerely hope the F20B is better now cos the F8 was horrible experience for me. and no, my caster was not on the QVL :S
@@waisign how bro? the f20b works? if its stay unstable, u can try gain a little dram voltages. xpg 6000 kit is 1.35v, slowly gain 1.36 - 1.40v. using the gigabyte 'easy tune' software. hope it works 👍
@@waisign your kit is samsung or hynix? mine is samsung, seeing alot of review said the hynix chips is better than the samsung for ddr5 story. better oc capability
tried running 4x 16GB @ 7200 on 13900K ... it will boot. But as soon as any serious load on the system it will crash. I think I will try to bump it down to 6800 or 7000MHz. It seems like it's almost there. It runs perfectly fine @ 7200 MHz with 2 sticks.
What's your board?
I just got the ASUS Proart Z790, I9-13900k, and ASUS RTX 4080. I was planning on 4 sticks 128GB DDR5. Is this just a 12th gen problem? Or will I be running into issues too?
I'm looking to build a similar system just with a MSI 4070 TI Gaming X Trio (card I was able to order while in stock). I saw Kingston Fury Beast 5600 64GB (x2 32GB) for $343 Canadian and thought it was a "reasonable" enough price to purchase to sets for 128 GBs. However, with this video I think I'll just get one set and hope things work out so I can expand to 128GB DDR5 at some point in the future. But I don't yet understand if this is a hard ware issue with just the RAM, MOBO or both? Which RAM are you looking at getting? Thanks!
@@upsidedownjim I have trident ddr5 5600 2x32. I only ordered 2 for now. I was planning on getting 2 more when this issue is fixed
@@daveyopp great, thanks! I will take a look at them. Was looking at the Kingston Fury Beast as it’s $100 less than Corsair Vengeance. Cheers!
How did this go for you. I am planning on doing the same build.
@@lawrencenimrichter9471 Anything specific you are looking to know? (sorry, not sure if this is directed at me or not) Cheers
Your videos have been very helpful and informative! Yes, G. Skill DDR 5 5600 kept getting BSODs (I thought a DIMM slot was bad) running on ProArt Z690 Creator Wifi mobo with i9-12900K, new build Bios 2004 & GeForce RTX 3090..however, runs great on 2 sticks at 5600. I don't want to have to continually do tweaks to run 4 sticks. Thank you for your update!
Is this still an issue for 13900k? Excellent
from what i have heard lately, it is about how 32GB+ sticks are DUAL channels which max out the bandwidth. anything else "overloads" it and really doesnt make much of a difference. i am completely new to the DDR5 quirks but it makes sense. i found that corsair currently sells a 4 stick kit BUT its only 8GB or 16GB but they are only single channel sticks. from how it was explained in a video, a single channel is writing or read only. dual channel can read and write at the same time. there seems to only be 4 channels for a 4 DIMM mobo. the only way that a lay man like me can think of is that mobo will have to have 8 channels for 4 DIMMs. however, i think that would impact the cpu and mobo development quite a bit. hope this might make a little sense.
PS- single channel, the ram chips are on ONE side of the stick. dual channel has ram chips on BOTH sides.
I've had CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x3GB 6000MHz and now have CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4x48GB 6600MHz running no XMP 4200MHz. When I updated to the latest BIOS Version for ROG MAXIMUS Z790 Dark Hero, PC wouldn't BOOT. When I removed two RAMs, I could BOOT with XMP ON and run at max speed. I updated BIOS back to oringinal and now can BOOT with 4 RAMs. If I remove two RAMs I can run at full speed XMP ON. Question now is run 192GB at 4200MHz or run 96GB at 6600MHz? Tech Notice "What do you think?"
Is there any fix to use 4 kits now on z790?
witch one is better intel core i9 - 12900ks or intel core i9 13900k ?
Thank you, you're the only one I've found answers the question 2 vs 4 DDR5 sticks
I have T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB Kit 6000MHz whenever I Enable XMP it always take take 2 minutes to boot up always not first time yellow LED light in motherboard as well please help
Hey i just installeed 32 more gb ram into my rig with 4 sticks instead of 2
Had no issue with xmp on 32 gb but after getting new ram my pc restart alot. What Can i do?
The question is: Is this 4 slot problem possible to solve via software (BIOS update) or does this problem require also hardware adjustements (like newer mobos)?
It's not a problem, it's by design. Z790 mobo's on the latest BIOS will be exactly the same.
@@Mapantz1 sad to read this but thanks for your answer :)
My system won't boot with 64GB or 128GB of G.Skill TridentZ rams in XMP I or XMP II with the ASUS z590-e either, it's just a black screen...any ideas or suggestions?
I bought a new build with a Tuf z790 plus wifi motherboard, I7 13700k cpu, Gigabyte RTX 4080 OC and a 2x16 32gb Corsair Dominator 6200mhz ddr5 kit. Every time I tried to enable the XMP profile the system would fail post. I found a forum thread that mentioned slot population, I removed the dimms and populated the 2 dimms in slots 2 and 4, BANG! XMP working at 6200mhz, no issues at all.
Hi, Had you installed the ram sticks wrong? What slots were they originally installed in?
@@n4ul17o Originally in slots 1 and 3 like normal, but they work in 2 and 4 instead
@@pmcomputing2459 That's very weird, isn't it?
@@n4ul17o yes but apparently thats just DDR5, not sure if correct but the way I understand it is that it needs the extra latency because of how fast it is.
Depends on the bios. Some versions of bios wont allow it properly due to new updates for newer cpus for the MB. I found with mine, i had to manually set the ddr voktage up .2 volts when using XMP. Older bios, xmp will work without voltage change. Something to do with bios uogrades and cpu compatibilities.
Interesting experiments, quite educational. Though I’m wondering why not to test the stability without windows using proven memtest86+ ?
Because that memtest is a test, not a real world use.
@@GainesvilleKen let me disagree. Memory is not a cpu. Like you test a cpu OC in prime95 or Aida, and then get bsod in some game. Memory is an array which can be checked very thoroughly in a statistical and scientifically proven way actually. Same with video vram, drive surface and other memory types. Also if you have 64+ gigs of ram, it would be nearly impossible to occupy it all completely and then check the stored data for consistency.
@@sevezart I believe that in the current situation with 4 sticks not working, while two work great, the memory can test perfectly but then fail to function properly with the CPU, controllers, and Windows competing for cells in the array. So you could pass dozens of tests, but fail in real world--until intel, RAM makers, and motherboard manufacturers work things out together.
@@GainesvilleKen Yeah, in fact I agree. My point is that ideally the memory should be tested in both ways. From my perspective - in my work I would not rely on the memory which hasn't been tested inside and out. For personal gaming rig a light testing is just fine.
@@sevezart Just conjecture, but I see this issue, with z690 and z790 for intel, as a ripple effect of lockdowns around the world. In my opinion, engineers and techs, despite being very tech savvy, don't do much better working remotely than counterparts in other fields. So instead of long days and late nights collaborating in person, they designed latest chipsets etc in a less effective team scenario. Plus quality control with worker stress and other factors. Hope things smooth out!
This is a nightmare. I was running 2x32Gb for some months, running perfectly at 6000Mhz. And now i saved some extra money and got 2 other identical blades. Vengeance 32x2 (64Gb) CL32-6400Mhz. Updated my Msi Bios to latest (It's a AM5 system) 7950x. The full Ram (128Gb) identified at bios, but after the first boot, never POST again. So i had to PHYSICALLY remove 2 blades to be able to see the Bios again, down the speed to 4000Ghz and now they finally Boot.
Also the Boot is Soooooo SLOW takes ages to start loading windows. When it start loading it it loads fast.
4 stick max speed limit 3600mhz AMD official specs 😢
2 stick 1 R max speed 5200mhz
Is it still an issue to run 4 sticks of DDR5?
Just built a system with 128GB DDR5 based on 6600 sticks. Can boot Win11 at 5400. Knew I have to sacrifice clock rate with 4 sticks. Finally can be stable at 4800 with aggressive latency parameters (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS etc.). On the future upgrade path from 64GB two stick, I'm unsure if I can get the exactly same 64GB sticks later. So might as well get 4 sticks now or none.
Having the same issue as well. Bought four; worrying in future no being able to procure
AMD 7950x here with 128GB (4x32) G.Skill Flare X5 on ASRock x670e, I can occasionally boot with AMD EXPO for my ram but have experienced memory corruption (confirmed with memtest) so I disabled it. The extra speed would be nice but the capacity is essential for me.
i got a question, if i got 2x16 sticks of corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz cl36
and another 2 same but 32x2,
can i use 4 of them together?
or in order to the pc dual chanel to work properly it has also to have same capacity ?
and if can i use them together, can i use xmp for 4 of them together?
I bought my X570 PC before I was aware of the limitations with regard to populating all memory slots. I should have bought 2 16gb sticks. The memory controller has a tough time with maintaining a 1 to 1 "Infinity Fabric" (1,800Mhz) with all memory slots populated. 16gb sticks were somewhat rare and expensive at the time. I bought 4 sticks of 3,600Mhz c14, 15, 15, 15, 35 (Samsung B-die), and though I could get all 4 sticks to operate at their XMP profile, I had WHEA errors. They were incredibly intermittent- sometimes going for days without a reboot even though correctable WHEA errors were happening in the background all the time. This lasted through several different video cards, and 2 CPU's- as I had a 5600x prior to the 5900x. Recently, I bought a new GPU, and while changing it my water pump died.
While replacing the water pump, and the GPU, I accidentally ripped the 5900X out of its socket without releasing the bar- ouch. This happened because of how damn well the Thermal Grizzly pink thermal paste was adhering between the CPU, and waterblock. While simply trying to remove the water block, it pulled off the CPU with it. However, there was no damage, it just cleaned the pins, even scraping off a thin layer of gold plating(I wonder where that went). I crossed my fingers and reinstalled everything, and thankfully it posted, and booted just fine, and low and behold- no more WHEA errors.. It's been almost two weeks, now. What the hell? Was one of my pins dirty, and not getting good contact?! Now I'm afraid to change anything.
love the info on ram!b With so many brands out there it is so easy to over spend! All this info is helping me see how much I need, what speeds and what I don't need! Thank you!
Even after all this time , ram, cpu and boards manufacturers really need to solve this with 4 sticks!!! 4 sticks! 128 Gig still will not run at 5000 or 6000 very disappointing
Is this video rendered in 24 Fps? Its looking a bit stuttery.
As far i remember from the 12th gen cpu reviews, tt's not a matter of ram or either motherboards. It's the cpu that doesn't support 4 stick of memory in xmp mode
For some reason, I couldn’t change anything in my Gigabyte Bios.
But after I unplugged the battery for 20 seconds, with no power cable and turned on my PC with all 4 Ram blocks. It worked perfectly 🙂
Im currently running 4x16gb DDR5 5200mhz sticks of corsair dominator on the asus strix z690e on xmp3 without any issue (bios v2204 - december 2022) After install it booted straight to windows. No boot loops or crashes.
Is this issue relevant for the new AMD motherboards?
How did you record while your pc is booting?
Good video but what's up with the frame rate of this video.
I agree keeping the BIOS up to date is important. It can sometimes have a bad effect if a system is already stable but on new/cutting edge tech it often solves more issues than it causes. As a tip: I found a need on my ASUS boards to also do a clear CMOS and reset to default settings before reconfiguring all the settings again as this had a material impact on performance and stability. Reloading saved profiles or not loading back to defaults would sometimes see strange behaviour.
When you update the bios tbe saved profiles are removed and a cmos is done automatically for you.
I learned the hard way and lost all my configs / oc undervolt but figured it back out 😂 and took screenshots of my uief settings
Agree, it wipes the saved profiles when doing an update. I loaded my saved profile from a USB drive I had exported it to assuming it would be fine and found it wasn’t 100%. Reconfiguring the exact same settings after a Clear CMOS manually resulted in a much better stability and slightly more performance.
@@Matty-rn5gt yep this is exactly what happened with me so I just took screenshots of my settings
Currently running a z690 with 128 gigs at 6k mhz. I have a LOT of instability.
Iv had days where I tune it and it runs great all day all 4 sticks but usually on restart or idle it crashes and goes into boot loops.
Upping voltage helped, I’m going to try a few different things but this process is lengthy
Great video; never knew it was such an issue running 4 dimms on 12th gen.
I'm keen to see a comparison video vs 13th gen, to see if it's the same issue, but I suspect you'll have better luck. 13th gen seems to be more stable at higher memory frequencies... whether it's to do with silicon refinement, or a modified IMC design, I'm not sure.
Have you tried increasing certain CPU voltages (eg. system agent; VDDQ; VDD2 etc.), and memory voltages (higher than XMP), to see if it will boot/run stable?
The controller on 13th gen cpus was greatly improved and it seems there are no issues even when running 4x32gb @6000mhz or higher, even though it is not probably the best idea to go much further than that for the sake of stability.
On the other hand seems like AMD has more problems with ddr5 than expected.
@@mastroitek Yeah definitely; my 13900k (like many others no doubt) can quite easily hit 7000 CL32 (2x 16gb) with Hynix m-die... there's still a bit left in it, haven't tried pushing it to the limits yet :)
@@heyitsjel hahaha, and I'm still on ddr4 2666mhz 😂😂😂
@@mastroitek Nothing wrong with DDR4 mate! :) Try OC'ing it (eg. 3200mhz), and extend the life; there's *not* major gains to be made for DDR4 --> DDR5.
@@heyitsjel tbh i don't need faster ram, I rarely game and use the pc for studying and Photoshop. So rn I have 24gb of ram but it comes from 2x4gb kingston + 1x8gb Corsair + 1x8 gskill. I'm too lazy to even try to find a stable OC between all of them 😂.
7700x w/ 4 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance 5600 running perfectly fine. Mobo is the Gigabyte x670 Aorus Elite AX on latest bios (December '22)