How about a tech tip for you guys: If you make charts that compare things, put them both on the screen at the same time, so you can actually compare them.
true. There is space in the graphs to combine both figures into one, like putting the results of one test for CS:GO next to the results for the ther test, side by side.
It's freaking me out how they compare ram configurations solely by making videogame fps benchmarks. I mean thats absolutely a key point for gamers, but probably isn't an overall good measurement.
@@marvingudel605 Gaming is one of the most demanding things you can ask a computer to do for most people. For most people this will be the hardest their computer is ever going to be pushed, so for this, it is a very good metric. (Was just playing anno 1800 and was using 17 GB or RAM before investors) If your 4K video editing or using 3-D rendering like auto-cad your either leveraging the power of servers or you've been able to acquire the high end memory module kits that would be required for such tasking, and not watching this video to educate yourself about mixing modules.
I've been using 32gb (4x8gb) of ram with my b450 and Ryzen 5 5600 for over a couple months with 100% reliability, 2 sticks are 3200 and the other 2 are 2666. I don't care a terrible about about speed, so I set them all to run slower at 2666 and have had absolutely no issues
When bios sports to 8 gb ram and you have 4 on laptop and there is only 2 slots and 1 is fled by 4gb you will think like me 2 4 gb or 1 8gb ram whic one is beter?
@@fahrimertdincer8421 two 4gb sticks are better if your motherboard supports dual channel mode (which it likely will). It performs better in gaming and overall workload consumption.
40 years old and just now getting into tech. Thank you so much for this. I paid a local kid to build be a gaming computer. my ram is very minimal and buffrs sometimes during youtube.
I've been mixing RAM since the second year of owning a PC. I've never gone for anything too crazy different between them, but different manufacturers, different brands and so forth. Honestly never noticed any issues. It was much later down that people cautioned against mixing ram, but I never really paid it much heed since I'd never had any problems. The minor performance issues probably matter more to someone trying to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their system, but I guess I'm just easy to please.
few of my RAM sticks died... it could be related to mixing... DDR3. I just test different configurations and see if they boot. I haven't even checked timings
@Biorider does that work for laptops too? If i were to upgrade because the stock ram on my laptop is a samsung and most local pc stores in our city does not sell samsung ram. Is it okay if i buy a different brand as long as it has the same speed?
So wait, you're saying I've been wasting time trying to find a matching kit of 2x4 HyperX 2666 CL15 to add to my two sticks, and I should buy a vastly more popular 2666 CL16 version and it will 100% run in dual channel with my CL15 sticks, even with a mild overclock? That's a serious question by the way, I really am anxious about buying a mismatching kit. I heard a few years back, I think even from some tech TH-camr, that unless the speed and *every single timing* is matching on the second kit of ram, the dual channel won't work. And this video sounds kinda inconclusive, like what if I don't want to match a 2666 and 4000 kits like in the example. P. S. You know a person is desperate when they seek tech advice from strangers on TH-cam.
Hey people! I want to add some personal experience to this this video - long story short - secondary and tertiary timings matter a lot as well when mixing and long term system instability can happened (random crashed no matter what after a few hours). But can be tuned to make the modules work together. The complete story is as follows - I have 2 different sticks from Kingston due to a needed upgrade to my system 2 years ago for the ultimate minecraft mod pack (yeahhh, 600+ mods and 8GB of RAM wasn't enough and yeah, I like minecraft) - I was on a very tight budget so a set of dual 8GB modules was out of the question and the original cheap stick was not available at all, even second hand. So I went second hand hoping to get lucky. The "new" one is rated at 2400, while the old one is 2133, both Kingston with the same primary timings. However, unpredictable crashes started happening after random amount of hours - might be after 1, might be 2, might be 10, which stress tests didn't reveal. And the frequency of them was growing month after month (I wounder why). I tracked it down to the the memory mismatch and had to actually down speed them to 1833 and get a lot worse timings to get the system to stop crashing so often. Worse yet, the crashing was not completely gone, just happened very, very seldom. A couple of months ago I got a second hand Z170 motherboard and got the exact same problem. So I decided to tackled this again and asked the wonderful folks at the LTT forum for some help. And someone suggested it could be the secondary and tertiary timings that are causing problem. So I set aside a weekend, read up on those timings (tuns out motherboard BIOS holds them, not the sticks), plugged in each module individually and recorded the 2ndary and 3iary timings. After comparing them, they didn't seem that off, but decided to stick with the slowest ones from both (basically mixed them) and decreased the refresh interval. Aaaaand all worked! The system was stable for 24 hours at 2400MHz none the less! ^^ Buuuut it doesn't end there - I overclocked the 2 modules to 2666 without a problem, 2800 was also possible, but not completely stable (even with more voltage). Maybe again the 2nd and 3rd timings? :p Best part - the H110 motherboard I have also allows for tweaking the secondary and tertiary timings! (but no overclocking for the RAM, soooo 2133 max speed). I hope someone finds this helpful and sorry for the long comment! Love your vids and wonderful community Linus and all that help make them! ^^
so ur saying, if u check to see which has the lowest timing, adjust the others to match, u can get them to operate at a better frequency? if that is so, then uve cracked the code. tnx
for i am too lazy to read, i will copy and paste this and read it later just so you know, you are one good person and i aspire to be as kind as you are, have a good day
One time, I mixed memory by taking DDR3 and putting it in a DDR4 motherboard with a hammer. A few additional DDR4 sticks and it didn’t turn on at all. (In seriousness though in my experience mixing ram, it usually is limited by the weakest link. The slowest RAM will slow down other sticks that can run faster) I would love to see a video where you guys mix DDR3 & DDR4 on some of those systems that support both. Ps: ily Linus.
I've mixed before and as long as the speed and timings match I've honestly always been able to run dual channel.. Both on AMD and Intel systems. I know this was a problem 10+ years ago but nowadays it's not that bad at all.
Well, to be fair binning is not really super specific. SO chances are you can relate to that without extended context/information. So it's easy to mention for 5 seconds and go on.
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly you are the one hitting the nostalgia juice a bit too hard pops. Things are 100% better these days, and crts are dead for a reason.
@@ScReamOut93 Yeah, I get that it's much simpler to explain. It's just pointless and poor form. Imagine if a calculus textbook took a moment to explain what a slope is but then completely gloss over derivatives. Lately it just doesn't seem like LTT has a good grasp of the knowledge their audience has and the level of detail they go into is all over the place.
@@Endonae but if you're watching a video about RAM it's not unreasonable to know what latency is, because you should research before buying. correct me if I'm wrong
20 years ago it was the same problem with Cas timing. Size of MB or GB was not important... the chip on the module were! As long as u had the minimum recommendation, it worked and upgrade were easier. Hundreds of my customers were happy and they all thought I had magic special upgrades for their computers🤣Samsung and Micron were King👑 back then. Great test Linus ✊ Running Pentium 3 and Tx motherboards Cas and Latency were and still are important 😎
@@xxJOKeR75xx She has applied for jobs there even before she did that video. She was employed because she was the best person for the job. Her being on that video may have helped slightly but that is unknown.
I mean it's common sense to use the same type of company hardware. However it is nice to know that if you know how to tweak sh*t then maybe you can get away with it while it all working properly.
I mixed 2 sets of 2x4 ddr3, different speeds. Only thing that caused issues was having XMP enabled, but I was able to OC the lower speed ram manually and have been running it like that for at least 3 years
It has to not exceed *twice* the capacity of the smallest module, acually, and even when it does that extra is just going to run as single channel, which is presumably the alternative anyway.
The question i want answered is what the implications are for anyone with soldered ram in their laptop.... If i have 4gb on board and need more than 8gb in total what does that mean for dual channel operation and if you want to get faster ram how do you know what the modules on board will handle??
@@HonkForLife098 But if you have 2x8GB and 2x1GB in their respective Dual Channel configs, (just as an example) that shouldn't impact performance in the same way...
Same here. Worst case has been running them both at the speed of the slowest module. Works great for non gaming systems that don't really need the extra speed.
I had a laptop which has mismatched ram in it and i think the timings arn't even the same either ... still works ( at least teh last time i checked it...)
I always mixed my RAM and never encountered a problem. Back when every single MB counted I had 3 different sticks of RAM (512, 256, and 128MB) from different brands and running at different speeds.
The only thing that doesnt work is when they run at different speeds. Your bios will automatically set them all to the lowest one you have. You could also overclock it tho
EXACTLY. Linus said it, normally it takes a couple years to even be able to get in front of the camera at LTT! Maybe they let her get on early bc of her history on the LTT channel; that and she is kinda made for the camera, she’s super funny lmao 😂
Pff... in our first PC back then (Pentium with 133 MhZ) we chuged in all the RAM we could, had 2 2 MB and 1 4 MB EDO-RAM or something like that in the end... worked just fine :D
I always thought Linus was just a lucky rich dude. Now I realize how cost efficient he is and doesn't waste. Weird how I forgot he was human just because he's an online content creator. Thanks for teaching me how to actually make my very first PC run. I've watched your videos enough to build my very first PC without any help lol. Thanks :)
Works even better in linux: Just need to enter: echo "Successfully installed `head -n 1 /proc/meminfo | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " " | awk '{print $1*2}'` kB" That will be 75$ ... pretty please
@@svgPhoenix Why? The bot isn't OP, its reply will get removed, and so for now we might aswell point out it's a bot and create some humor out of it. Win-win-win situation.
I remember many moons ago I had done this (back when I had ZERO clue about Speeds/Timings etc) I was surprised to find that I could successfully run 2x Kingston Hyper X 8GB and 2x Ripjaw 8GB DDR3's (unfortunately I no longer have these sticks and still to this day have no clue what the clock speeds or the timings were), never once had a bluescreen (that I am aware of) in regards to the RAM and never had to tweak anything in the bios it was just simply plug and play. I am pleased to announce that I am no longer working with a $0 budget and using every hammy down possible to upgrade my system I now have fully populated 4x 8gb Corsair Vengeance and it looks a lot nicer than having 2x Mid Sized Black Ram Sticks and 2x Jumbo Red Ram Sticks :P
@@serebbi when mixing RAM, it's always a gamble, sometimes it works without issues, other times it will make your system crash. Even now days when chips are all randomised you could buy 2 boxes of 8gb RAM from the same manufacturer and exactly the same type, but one set may be using crappier chips and may not be compatible with the other set. So again it's just a guessing game, only way to find out is try it 👍
Somebody at edition thought that we wouldn't notice Madison's gloves disappearing on that memory close up XD. Seems that they won't let her really touch a computer lol.
I used to have a PC with athlon 64 3400+; it supported (barely) the instruction codecs windows 8.1 uses, so I installed it. Ran surprisiungly OK considering its age.
Thanks for another very informative computer related video. I was always told mixing RAM modules would cause problems, but I have an ASUS E35M1-M Pro motherboard from 2011, which has two sticks of DDR3 4 GB RAM; one Corsair XMS-3 and one 'no-name' stick of DDR3 4 GB RAM. They've worked happily alongside each other in my Spare PC since 2015, when I built my gaming PC. So much for all the warnings of 'dire consequences' from various 'experts'. Keep'em coming. Russ. UK
Linus I have an interesting idea about the next Secret Shopper. Use a decoy shopper. Make one well-known person call the company's and also make another not-so-known employee do the same thing. Do this on all stages of Secret Shopper and compare how the company's (Dell I'm looking at you) behave when they know Linus is calling them and how they behave when they don't.
Upgraded my GF's HP all-in-one PC awhile back with a memory module (and an SSD too) that I had laying around in the 'ol spares box, worked great. And just bought myself a lenovo T580 laptop and upped it from 8 GB to 24 GB using the OE 8 GB stick and a new16 GB stick and it's cruising along just perfectly. So it can be done.
Newbie here. Would it hurt or help to have 3 sticks of ddr4 in my hp office machine? (Used for light gaming, eventually there’s a possibility of streaming)
I tried upgrading from 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 (16-18-18-36) to add another kit of the same and couldn't get it to run stable above 2600 MHz. Turned out my CPU was the problem, as I found plenty of posts saying the integrated memory controller on Zen+ wasn't that great, so I ended upgrading from my 2700X to a 5700G.
Exactly my experience, tried at least 4 kits of memory and none of them worked properly on my Ryzen 2700X, switched to 5600X and even 48 GB (32+16) is running stably.
Adding this for other enthusiasts that may run into this oddness.. I build systems typically with older hardware to save on costs. Recently built an Unraid system for my home that I have been very happy with, but recently ran into sporadic parity issues. Assisted by that great community, we tracked in back to the RAM, but not for the usual reasons. I am using an ASUS X99-a USB 3.1 with an Intel Core i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz. This is a quad channel motherboard with 8 DIMM slots. As per the ASUS manual, I installed 4 Kingston HyperX Fury 8 Gb modules all in one quad channel. My mistake; I bought two dual channel kits, not one quad channel kit. Turns out, everything worked... most of the time. But running Memtest pointed to issues and errors with the setup. When I reinstalled the same RAM as dual channel in the top DIMM slots of quad channel bank, everything ran smooth. Weird, eh?
@@h1ghe3a44 As technology advances, bots are going to get continually worse. I’m pretty sure it’s a direct result of capitalism. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen in other countries, it’s just to say that if everyone has access to a free market this is going to happen a lot. It’s annoying as hell.
I think this is an interesting issue when addressing “upgrading” a laptop, I had success upgrading a laptops RAM a few years back when I replaced its free slot with a 16gb ddr4 that was the same speed as the soldered 8 but in the long run I’m not sure if the slight performance improvement I experienced were worth the hassle or getting it working, however it’s still something I find interesting and ends up influencing my purchasing decisions when buying a laptop.
My work laptop has 8GB soldered and our IT upgrades them with 32gb DIMMs in the free slot, no issues so far but web development isn't super heavy on memory.
yeah most of the time if you don't buy ram that's been certified by your laptop vendor for that model, you'll get super slow speeds and timings looser than a crack hoe.. and there's no way to change it in bios like you can w/ a desktop so you're just stuck w/ what you get. sux.
Back when ddr3 was just comming out, it was quite expensive and I was on a budget so I got ddr2. My motherboard, however, had 2 slots of ddr2 and 2 slots of ddr3. Sometime later I needed more memory so I got 2 sticks of ddr twice the capacity that I had. It actually worked with both, it didn't have the full combined capacity and I don't remember what speed it ran at but it was very stable.
I got 16 MB SIMM RAM from my 80386 to my P1 PC. Then I got a Celeron PC that was better than this P1, its motherboard had both SIMM and DIMM slots, and I've used these two SIMM and.. one newer DIMM I think. Also I gotta note somewhere at that time I had an ISA soundcard that had SIMM slots to expand its MIDI bank loading capabilities, so I used those here too.
I have 8gb ram 2133mhz and 4gb ram 2666mhz , so it's 12gb ram, and Ram speed in Task manager is 2667mhz in windows 10 enterprise Ltsc 2019, but if I install windows 10 or 11 pro , I have 12gb ram BUT with lower speed 2133mhz. So I think it depends by system itself . I don't have any problem with Days gone, Cyberpunk 2077, and Death stranding. Fps is about 45, with gtx 1050 2gb with I3 10100f and h510m-k .
@@yanni-duff well, I had 8gb ram before and Days gone and Cyberpunk were very hard to play because of stuttering , so 12 gb ram is fine to me. Even Horizon zero dawn has 45 fps now with 12gb ram so it's so much better than with 30fps and 8gb ram. I guess I can play with 45fps or 50, depends of level details in game.
@@yanni-duff Anything over 30 fps is playable, just like in the games of old that we used to play on those heavy CTR TV's. Not everyone have the money and/or the desire to dump copious amounts of money on PC hardware every years just to play whatever new title at 144 or more fps at ultra settings, budget and casual gamers are happy with 30-60 fps at middle or low settings as long as the game moves smoothly.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 You don't need that much money for 1080p 60fps gaming. My 700 EUR pc from 6 years ago does that. If you get 30 fps just go out and do something better for your time, its completely unplayable.
Exactly this. Most people having 4 RAM slots get at start 2 stick to run in dual channel and then as time goes there's option to put another 2 sticks which are different. They should test this but they did not. I would like to get an answer what configuration of slots is optimal for pairing different sticks for dual channel. Should each channel should be exactly the same (so 2 different sticks per channel) or is it better to put one brand in first channel and other is second channel?
@@ademiravdic yeah, I really didn't get what they were going for. Obviously you're not going to be able to clock way above the slowest stick, so that was hardly news (getting a 2666 stick up to 4000?). I'd be more interested in what happens if you're running at 3600 or whatever (maybe XMP), and you buy another set of 3600 RAM with comparable timings, or maybe a faster set. Does that cause issues? That seems like the sort of scenario an enthusiast would actually run into. And of course run it at the slower of the two timings.
@@RichFreeman Agreed. I can't be bothered manually messing around with overclocking, but might want to upgrade from basic XMP 16GB to 32GB and just happy if I don't see a performance drop. You're unlikely to be able to overclock a *matched pair* of 2666 sticks up towards 4000 without a lot of luck and much manual tweaking, why would they choose that as their test scenario for unmatched sticks/pairs? Out of touch will real users comes to mind.
Free RAM is open-source, so you should be able to find multiple sites with compatible RAM. Just make sure the toolbar you install looks the same and you should be good
I have mixed memory but only 2 of each type to fill all four slots and there have been no issues for 4 and a half years of gaming and watching your channel among others !
LTT has given up on actually segueing to their sponsor, now they segue to the segue and cut abruptly to the sponsor spot. The word segue has lost meaning and I love it.
it's cringe as hell and made for elementarty school children. insults anyone with any level of inteligence and makes me want to not even click anymore. especially when he puts those nasty underwear ads up. i mean, if your making content for kids why include that crap? no one wants to see that crap, gross. maybe start selling womens underwear or something if you're that desperate. i'm getting to the point of almost avoiding their content. but i am not a child so...
trance dj What's wrong with undies though? Also the laid back vibe is good sometimes. Why so serious? They don't take themselves too seriously, and neither do we. Why do you?
@@XX-121 just stop watching bruh it's clear you just aren't a fan anymore. Nobody cares about an underwear ad, cause everyone wears it. Unless you don't, which is why you find it gross... anyways, you have an L key. Use it next time you see someone mention anything about a sponsor, it'll change your life. Also, if the content is made for children, then how would avoiding it make you a child? It's questions like these which are why I say you aren't a fan anymore. When critiques don't hold much logic behind them, it usually means there's a form of bias instead
The camera zoomed in so close. The character model glitches and the gloves faded away. Take it up with Support...though good luck. I've been trying to get my T-Rex Build unbanned for 3 billion years....no replies. I broke no rules!
I think I’ve had matching dims in like two PCs over the years. I always got killer performance doing the Frankenstein method but would have loved to build machines like this. I could waste a week in this shop having a blast sleeping on a cot lol. I’d be very interested in building a super computer again but this time out of a portable desk.. so thin light and strong and most importantly, super portable.
In general as long as the frequency is the same you're fine with plug and play. Been a rule since my first laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8600. Wouldn't boot with 2 different frequencies. Swapped the smaller one out with one to match the bigger one. Ran beautifully
@vincentmarcellino7183 i have a Dell Inspiron with 4gb Ddr4 -2666v Ram stick I'm planning on getting a 8gb Ddr4 -3000v should it be fine ? or i should instead get a 8gb -2666v to match it?
I had 4 8gig sticks from the same manufacturer but 2 were a different model from the other 2 and slightly slower, ran them in the PC for about 3 years no stabilitty issues, upgraded to faster memory is the only reason i swapped it out, I hadn't even bothered to mess with the BIOS settings.
Benchmarking provokes stability problems, if present. If linus had stability issues, he'd have to explain why he doesn't have any benchmarking data to offer
Everything will be perfectly stable as long as you don't overclock the memory. It will just run at the speed of your slowest module. Note that XMP counts as overclocking, the actual DDR4 standard only goes up to 3200 MT/s.
08:52 - Linus spit tips 😀? I've run various different RAM sticks in many PCs and never encountered a substantial problem. Sure, timings should be equal and they will only run as fast as the slowest stick - but many times it was just an upgrade for a "family PC" that mostly did word processing.
In the words of the wise... "Like the legend of the phoenix, All ends with beginnings, What keeps the planet spinning, The force from the beginning" Stay up all night, you'll get it ;)
I just tried to add a 4gb ddr3 1600mhz ram to my already 3 X 4gb 1333mhz and let's just say it wasn't pretty. Instant boot fails, blue screens, random crashes/restarts. Wiped out my fortnite and lost my graphics card drivers on recovery. Wont be doing that again. That's for sure.
in my old pc i had 2x8gb 1600 cl9 and put in an additional 2x8gb 1600 cl9 from a different brand a bit later. zero problems. as long as the ram sticks have pretty much the exact same specifications and run at the same speed, you shouldnt run into any problems, from my experience. what LTT tested here, were very different ram speeds and memory modules slammed into one system, i cannot recommend that.
I've been mixing ram for years... People like to talk about timing difference, DDR speed,etc but really doesn't matter !!! just remember your board will underclock too your slowest stick in system
I mean...I've tried this twice, All same speed, & timings. But oof...every time it royally fucked up my computer and led to near constant crashes or trouble even booting in the first place.
Mixed 2 different sets of ram twice in my life, both times that was kingston modules. First time - old ddr3 sticks, 2x2GB and 2x4GB. Worked fine. Second time - a month ago, bought 2x8 Kingston Fury modules to my pair of HyperX Renegade, also 2x8. Both was 3200ghz, both working OK on 3200 GHZ together.
It's funny how in the beginning it shows madison putting the ram stick on the motherboard wearing gloves and it cuts to a closer angle of a gloveless hand
"Linus, we have those weird scarfs. What now?" "Run hours of memory benchmarks, compile results, and write a quick script. Stop asking stupid questions."
I really appreciate that you include pricing with all of your plugs!. Glad LTT is transparent and isn’t just trying to lure me into their Store trying to figure out the price!
What isn't quite clear for me, regarding dual channel and XMP, when using two different sets is: Should I put set #1 in A2-B2 and set #2 in A1-B1? Or set #1 in A1-A2 and set #2 in B1-B2? Does it matter?
"B-Die is bettah, I eat up voltage and slam timings into the ground." "Rev. E is bettah, I run high frequencies shilky and shmooth." *Slamming DIMMs together* "Stop looking at me, Hynix."
One of my first computers back in the early 2000s was a Frankenstein computer, running a set of random 256 meg ram slots I found in a box. I got it to run Morrowind so it was a solid success for teenage me
Didnt really get what i was hoping for with this one... my main concern is with running different sets of dual-channeled ram. (so 4gx2 + 8gx2 at different Mhz). Most ram comes in sets of two nowdays
@fahmialikhsan8477 I'm planning on doing the same,Do you think it will effect my decent gaming? or it should be just fine 4+8GB both of different frequencies
I recently built a gaming rig for myself, i9 14900KF (Overkill, almost useless for gaming, but I didn't wanted to upgrade for a long time) But I did the error of buying 2 separate kits 2x16GB (Corsair Vengeance 6400) they were running maximum at 5600 but stable at 5400, then I had a lot of BSOD, random Crashes in games, at some point I wasn't able to reinstall window anymore, so, I downgraded the CPU to an i7 14700 (the 14700k wasn't available) because in the meanwhile I realized that the i9 was too much of a waste and probably mine was also faulty, I changed the rams with a single kit 4x16GB DDR5 6000 (prior to checking on my MB compatibility list) and now I have 0 problems with the rams running at 6000mhz, Fury Beast
I've been building computers since the days it required schematics and a soldering iron. But since the advent of memory slots, I've been a stickler to only buy motherboards with (at least) four RAM slots and using only half for the initial build - usually splurging slightly in the now in anticipation for what will be more likely available in the future. Where memory is concerned, I always look at the newest modules with the best overall performance I can get for a reasonable price. My current main rig is somewhat ancient (i7-5820K w/ASROCK X99 Extreme4) with a pair of Ripjaws F4-3200C15G-32GVKs, (2x16GB) which had recently come out and were the best I could afford at the time. Bought another pair about two years ago (now at 64GB total) and, in fact, the exact same modules are still available today - more than five years after my initial build. Granted one can't predict the future but, if you splurge a bit in certain places (mobo & RAM in particular), you can reliably expect plenty of upgrade avenues for yourself in the future.
@@nicolasg6983 It varies by board/chipset but, in general, everything syncs with the lowest performance - the lowest speed and highest latency among whatever RAM modules you have installed. Most boards/chipsets will still access the full capacities, but the issue really comes down to if that extra capacity justifies the performance hit.
Madison playing the role of a mad scientist is quite fitting
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Yeah she knows how to create big oof moments
Seeing Madison in LTT videos make me happy
Madison is the best LTT employee yet
@@belknapbrothers3971 Antony
How about a tech tip for you guys: If you make charts that compare things, put them both on the screen at the same time, so you can actually compare them.
Jeez you fuckin killed him
true. There is space in the graphs to combine both figures into one, like putting the results of one test for CS:GO next to the results for the ther test, side by side.
They've been doing it for so long, I don't think they know how to do it properly.
It's freaking me out how they compare ram configurations solely by making videogame fps benchmarks.
I mean thats absolutely a key point for gamers, but probably isn't an overall good measurement.
@@marvingudel605 Gaming is one of the most demanding things you can ask a computer to do for most people. For most people this will be the hardest their computer is ever going to be pushed, so for this, it is a very good metric. (Was just playing anno 1800 and was using 17 GB or RAM before investors) If your 4K video editing or using 3-D rendering like auto-cad your either leveraging the power of servers or you've been able to acquire the high end memory module kits that would be required for such tasking, and not watching this video to educate yourself about mixing modules.
MTT? I'm down.
Oh good to see you here. Love your vids clockner :)
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@@hukama6911 @Info Brokerz
I'm afraid you guys got that first letter wrong. Just saying...
I've been using 32gb (4x8gb) of ram with my b450 and Ryzen 5 5600 for over a couple months with 100% reliability, 2 sticks are 3200 and the other 2 are 2666. I don't care a terrible about about speed, so I set them all to run slower at 2666 and have had absolutely no issues
this is excatly what ive been researching! lol thanks!
What od i place cl16 ram to cl14 Rama triple chanells,that Work or not,sorry for my bad English...
All Rams is 3200mhz
i have a qs can i overclock my 3000 mghz ram to 3200 and pair it with a 3200
@@thecuzzy3571 I don't think so...
"You've got to be very careful about how you populate your slots."
Good general life advice, honestly.
My brother wasn't careful and he is now paying the price xd
linus life tips
sounds like something you would say in china
Lol
ALLES DEUTSCHE, MUHAHAHAHAHA
Shout out to the notebooks with unremovable 4GB RAM and one extra slot when they support up to 32GB of RAM 🚮
absolute worst!
When bios sports to 8 gb ram and you have 4 on laptop and there is only 2 slots and 1 is fled by 4gb you will think like me 2 4 gb or 1 8gb ram whic one is beter?
@@fahrimertdincer8421 two 4gb sticks are better if your motherboard supports dual channel mode (which it likely will). It performs better in gaming and overall workload consumption.
@@gdhplays3166 So if I have 4gb on board already, I should go for another 4gb (4+4=8) instead of 8gb (4+8=12)?
@@shrey768 yes
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Haha lol im right next to one with all ryzen 5000s in stock lol
Arizona gang
Boston has one....but iv never been becuase 15 minutes is to far . . .
Just moved to a city that is 20 minutes away from the only one in my state 😎
Florida here, never heard of micro center until I saw LTt
40 years old and just now getting into tech. Thank you so much for this. I paid a local kid to build be a gaming computer. my ram is very minimal and buffrs sometimes during youtube.
Ram and youtube buffering is not related dude.
@@arslanrasit he’s 40 bro
@@Rykerz_ yeah I'm just trying to help
Seemed a bit condescending tho just being honest@@arslanrasit
I've been mixing RAM since the second year of owning a PC. I've never gone for anything too crazy different between them, but different manufacturers, different brands and so forth. Honestly never noticed any issues. It was much later down that people cautioned against mixing ram, but I never really paid it much heed since I'd never had any problems. The minor performance issues probably matter more to someone trying to squeeze every last drop of performance out of their system, but I guess I'm just easy to please.
I'm buying a prebuilt and it only comes with 1 stick of 8gb ram should I get another 8 gb stick? Or will it not work
few of my RAM sticks died... it could be related to mixing... DDR3. I just test different configurations and see if they boot. I haven't even checked timings
@Biorider does that work for laptops too? If i were to upgrade because the stock ram on my laptop is a samsung and most local pc stores in our city does not sell samsung ram. Is it okay if i buy a different brand as long as it has the same speed?
So wait, you're saying I've been wasting time trying to find a matching kit of 2x4 HyperX 2666 CL15 to add to my two sticks, and I should buy a vastly more popular 2666 CL16 version and it will 100% run in dual channel with my CL15 sticks, even with a mild overclock? That's a serious question by the way, I really am anxious about buying a mismatching kit. I heard a few years back, I think even from some tech TH-camr, that unless the speed and *every single timing* is matching on the second kit of ram, the dual channel won't work. And this video sounds kinda inconclusive, like what if I don't want to match a 2666 and 4000 kits like in the example.
P. S. You know a person is desperate when they seek tech advice from strangers on TH-cam.
@@warpspace7871 Same thing happened to my friend after a couple weeks of having mixed rams
Hey people! I want to add some personal experience to this this video - long story short - secondary and tertiary timings matter a lot as well when mixing and long term system instability can happened (random crashed no matter what after a few hours). But can be tuned to make the modules work together.
The complete story is as follows - I have 2 different sticks from Kingston due to a needed upgrade to my system 2 years ago for the ultimate minecraft mod pack (yeahhh, 600+ mods and 8GB of RAM wasn't enough and yeah, I like minecraft) - I was on a very tight budget so a set of dual 8GB modules was out of the question and the original cheap stick was not available at all, even second hand. So I went second hand hoping to get lucky. The "new" one is rated at 2400, while the old one is 2133, both Kingston with the same primary timings.
However, unpredictable crashes started happening after random amount of hours - might be after 1, might be 2, might be 10, which stress tests didn't reveal. And the frequency of them was growing month after month (I wounder why). I tracked it down to the the memory mismatch and had to actually down speed them to 1833 and get a lot worse timings to get the system to stop crashing so often. Worse yet, the crashing was not completely gone, just happened very, very seldom.
A couple of months ago I got a second hand Z170 motherboard and got the exact same problem. So I decided to tackled this again and asked the wonderful folks at the LTT forum for some help. And someone suggested it could be the secondary and tertiary timings that are causing problem. So I set aside a weekend, read up on those timings (tuns out motherboard BIOS holds them, not the sticks), plugged in each module individually and recorded the 2ndary and 3iary timings. After comparing them, they didn't seem that off, but decided to stick with the slowest ones from both (basically mixed them) and decreased the refresh interval.
Aaaaand all worked! The system was stable for 24 hours at 2400MHz none the less! ^^
Buuuut it doesn't end there - I overclocked the 2 modules to 2666 without a problem, 2800 was also possible, but not completely stable (even with more voltage). Maybe again the 2nd and 3rd timings? :p
Best part - the H110 motherboard I have also allows for tweaking the secondary and tertiary timings! (but no overclocking for the RAM, soooo 2133 max speed).
I hope someone finds this helpful and sorry for the long comment! Love your vids and wonderful community Linus and all that help make them! ^^
so ur saying, if u check to see which has the lowest timing, adjust the others to match, u can get them to operate at a better frequency? if that is so, then uve cracked the code. tnx
What's a secondary and tertiary timing? I've never seen that in the BIOS settings.
There are of course a whole set of timing values.
secondary and tertiary timings huh? that sounds complicated
for i am too lazy to read, i will copy and paste this and read it later
just so you know, you are one good person and i aspire to be as kind as you are, have a good day
Great point man
One time, I mixed memory by taking DDR3 and putting it in a DDR4 motherboard with a hammer. A few additional DDR4 sticks and it didn’t turn on at all. (In seriousness though in my experience mixing ram, it usually is limited by the weakest link. The slowest RAM will slow down other sticks that can run faster)
I would love to see a video where you guys mix DDR3 & DDR4 on some of those systems that support both.
Ps: ily Linus.
HEY IM SUBBED TO U
Ily jay
@@xb7778 ME TOO
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Kitguru did an article on the Asrock B150M Combo-G. It supports DDR3 and DDR4, although not simultaneously. No need for a hammer.
I've mixed before and as long as the speed and timings match I've honestly always been able to run dual channel.. Both on AMD and Intel systems. I know this was a problem 10+ years ago but nowadays it's not that bad at all.
I'm waiting for another Mean Comments video where it's just Madison reading all of them to Linus, then she shows the cards and they're all blank.
No, she shows the cards and it's all "qupons"! Muahahahah
Linus 🐧
PERFECTION
Nah the cards contain a collection of Linus' segue's....... That truly is a fate worse than death.
We need to make this happen
I love how you take an extra moment to briefly explain binning, but then just expect the viewer to know all about CAS latencies and such.
Well, to be fair binning is not really super specific. SO chances are you can relate to that without extended context/information. So it's easy to mention for 5 seconds and go on.
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly you are the one hitting the nostalgia juice a bit too hard pops. Things are 100% better these days, and crts are dead for a reason.
@@ScReamOut93 Yeah, I get that it's much simpler to explain. It's just pointless and poor form. Imagine if a calculus textbook took a moment to explain what a slope is but then completely gloss over derivatives.
Lately it just doesn't seem like LTT has a good grasp of the knowledge their audience has and the level of detail they go into is all over the place.
@@Endonae but if you're watching a video about RAM it's not unreasonable to know what latency is, because you should research before buying. correct me if I'm wrong
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly sure grandpa, please go on with the war stories.
But really we get it you’re a hipster and different
Oh no, I hope Madison didn't mix the blender and gaming RAM.
Big oof
why does this random comment have 4 separate korean spambots
@@aclonymous idk man
@TheReal_Yash they were all deleted
@TheReal_YΛSH when the:
20 years ago it was the same problem with Cas timing. Size of MB or GB was not important... the chip on the module were! As long as u had the minimum recommendation, it worked and upgrade were easier. Hundreds of my customers were happy and they all thought I had magic special upgrades for their computers🤣Samsung and Micron were King👑 back then. Great test Linus ✊ Running Pentium 3 and Tx motherboards Cas and Latency were and still are important 😎
I love how madison is acting like she is installing the ram in the intro and then we zoom into some else's fingers pushing it into the slot.
actually it can be seen clearly because she is wearing a white gloves and the next footage is of fingers with no gloves
so is she now an intern at LMG ? :D
@@SuperFischboy yeah, I'm pretty sure she manages the LTT tik tok
But why could you tell tho?
@@GOGOROBOv2 the sass
Madison is probably one of the only LTT employees being featured in videos this soon after employment. She was even on a video before employment
Typically they do a probationary period before they can be public iirc
she basically has the job because of that video and her being crazy.
@@birkk yeah, I think it is a year or two. It is because she was so great on ROG rig reboot obviously
@@xxJOKeR75xx She has applied for jobs there even before she did that video. She was employed because she was the best person for the job. Her being on that video may have helped slightly but that is unknown.
@@errorcode503 it definitely put her on the map. Linus didn’t want to employ her just because but if something that fits would come up...
Linus videos:
Linus: it doesn't matter
Linus: or does it?
Also Linus: 10 minutes of content explaining why it does not matter but still does.
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classic LTT vid format really.
I mean it's common sense to use the same type of company hardware. However it is nice to know that if you know how to tweak sh*t then maybe you can get away with it while it all working properly.
Does it work?
*YESN'T*
Well, I'd rather know why than just get a hollow talking point without some substance behind it to chew on.
I mixed 2 sets of 2x4 ddr3, different speeds. Only thing that caused issues was having XMP enabled, but I was able to OC the lower speed ram manually and have been running it like that for at least 3 years
"As long as your workload doesn't exceed the capacity of the smallest module"
Ah, maybe that extra 2 GB stick in my computer isn't a good idea...
It has to not exceed *twice* the capacity of the smallest module, acually, and even when it does that extra is just going to run as single channel, which is presumably the alternative anyway.
The question i want answered is what the implications are for anyone with soldered ram in their laptop.... If i have 4gb on board and need more than 8gb in total what does that mean for dual channel operation and if you want to get faster ram how do you know what the modules on board will handle??
It only creates a performance impact, not compatibility errors
I have two 1gb module just to fill the slots, guess I should remove them then
@@HonkForLife098 But if you have 2x8GB and 2x1GB in their respective Dual Channel configs, (just as an example) that shouldn't impact performance in the same way...
LTT is like an addiction for u to keep opening ur pc and make a heart surgery on it
Swapping ram compared to heart surgery. Aham, lego for adults
@@zonkedmc lmao
Lol
Or in my case, a head transplant
growtopia man
I feel like Madison is the only one that can truly revive channel super fun
Channel big oof :'D
what about Dennis "live laugh" Liao?
The only one able to do that task is Nicky V
@@err nice fake verification bot
Dennis "live laugh" Liao with Madison it would be mix that would produce a nuclear bomb :D
thank god there is linus to answer all of our random computer questions
I just can't believe Madison is actually Linus' employee.
I never saw her again after that one ep until now lol.
@@jhonnythejeccer6022 She is graphic designer of ltt
@@mariosiroky5454 Graphic designer/social media manager
Shame, she's insufferable.
@@mariosiroky5454 lol didn't know that :D
I've done mis-matched RAM for years. As long as my Frequency and Timing matched I've never had an issue.
Same here. Worst case has been running them both at the speed of the slowest module. Works great for non gaming systems that don't really need the extra speed.
@@espanalibre9505 Wouldn't check out four links without anyone mentioning why.
@@espanalibre9505 Spam...
I had a laptop which has mismatched ram in it and i think the timings arn't even the same either ... still works ( at least teh last time i checked it...)
@@hdezn26 yeah, generally they should all just down time to match.
One day he's gonna say "We don't need a segue, thanks to our sponsor, Segway!"
Legit though lol
Unfortunately segway is Insolvent.
@@m0epinator That sucks :/
Underrated joke
Who’s gonna tell them?
I always mixed my RAM and never encountered a problem.
Back when every single MB counted I had 3 different sticks of RAM (512, 256, and 128MB) from different brands and running at different speeds.
Do you think i can throw a trident x royal 64gb on a ddr5 board?
@@brandonscherrer6487 depends on how good at welding you are
@@jamesr9400 lol
The only thing that doesnt work is when they run at different speeds. Your bios will automatically set them all to the lowest one you have. You could also overclock it tho
@@brandonscherrer6487 No since it is ddr4. Which will not work on a ddr5 board.
Madison is everywhere now. Has to be the fastest a new employee got onto LTT vids. True power behind the throne at LMG XD
Thats still yvonne... but madison may be an apprentice or similar
I mean, she is so fast that she was on ltt before she was even hired!
@@the_retag No, it was Madison at the start of the video and is a full time employee
EXACTLY. Linus said it, normally it takes a couple years to even be able to get in front of the camera at LTT! Maybe they let her get on early bc of her history on the LTT channel; that and she is kinda made for the camera, she’s super funny lmao 😂
@@nickevans8977 i was talking about power behind the throne. I may be short sighted, but im not that blind that i cant keep yvonne and madison apart
“Just how smoothly Linus here...” *Skips 20secs*
@DIDIER MATEO RAMIREZ - ARCE well no shit
@@gamingtopps8975 😂😂
@DIDIER MATEO RAMIREZ - ARCE Gee, Nice observation Einstein...
@@DaneH64 hahah
That is a good wisdom
"You've got to be very careful about how you populate your slots"
Agreed.
@Linus Tech Tips what
Pff... in our first PC back then (Pentium with 133 MhZ) we chuged in all the RAM we could, had 2 2 MB and 1 4 MB EDO-RAM or something like that in the end... worked just fine :D
@@ethanlai1044 It's a scam, don't do it! Look how that account is missing the checkmark!
@@ethanlai1044 Scammer using look-alike letters
@Linus Tech Tips
You arent fooling anyone
I always thought Linus was just a lucky rich dude. Now I realize how cost efficient he is and doesn't waste. Weird how I forgot he was human just because he's an online content creator. Thanks for teaching me how to actually make my very first PC run. I've watched your videos enough to build my very first PC without any help lol. Thanks :)
Being cost efficient doesn’t mean you’re not rich.
He did say in the review of the steam deck teardown that he’ll be modding his because he’s lucky to be able to afford to break it
@@kx7500 Probably helps that Linus didn't start out rich, he and his team worked for what they have.
What? He was testing it for the sake of a video, not to be cost efficient
@@hare_ware yeah, still very lucky tho
LTT: Posts one video featuring Maddison in the intro
Viewers: "MTT?"
He's teasing us with 5secs of appearance XD
Was she from the ROG Rig Reboot
@@TheMsdos25 she was, yes
@@thealien_ali3382 chill bruh
she was also in a other video with the old server where she made sub to linus on wooden blocks
I mean that's all nice and all Linus but
DID KNOW YOU CAN DOWNLOAD MORE RAM?🐏🐏
And that's why I have 69000 ram stored in my hdd!!
@@VERSA6969 Pffftt I have 69420.
Works even better in linux:
Just need to enter:
echo "Successfully installed `head -n 1 /proc/meminfo | tr -s " " | cut -f 2 -d " " | awk '{print $1*2}'` kB"
That will be 75$ ... pretty please
@@VERSA6969 I'll bite.
bUt ThErE's No WaY tO dOwNlOaD rAm, YoU'rE iNfEcTeD wItH vIrUs nOw!
Lmao some ppl take this seriously. Anyway thats haliarous
"if you try it and there's no performance difference, then there's unlikely to be a performance difference"
@Linus Tech Tips Not even a half decent try, bot.
Ah the floor is made out of floor
Every sixty seconds in Africa a minute passes
The archer clan really is made up of archers!
@@svgPhoenix Why? The bot isn't OP, its reply will get removed, and so for now we might aswell point out it's a bot and create some humor out of it. Win-win-win situation.
I remember many moons ago I had done this (back when I had ZERO clue about Speeds/Timings etc) I was surprised to find that I could successfully run 2x Kingston Hyper X 8GB and 2x Ripjaw 8GB DDR3's (unfortunately I no longer have these sticks and still to this day have no clue what the clock speeds or the timings were), never once had a bluescreen (that I am aware of) in regards to the RAM and never had to tweak anything in the bios it was just simply plug and play. I am pleased to announce that I am no longer working with a $0 budget and using every hammy down possible to upgrade my system I now have fully populated 4x 8gb Corsair Vengeance and it looks a lot nicer than having 2x Mid Sized Black Ram Sticks and 2x Jumbo Red Ram Sticks :P
What about a 4gb stick + 8 gig stick ? Will it work ? Thats the question.
@@serebbi when mixing RAM, it's always a gamble, sometimes it works without issues, other times it will make your system crash. Even now days when chips are all randomised you could buy 2 boxes of 8gb RAM from the same manufacturer and exactly the same type, but one set may be using crappier chips and may not be compatible with the other set. So again it's just a guessing game, only way to find out is try it 👍
@@FuryFight3r Yup i will try it myself. If it crashes, i just put back my old stick right ?
It will not affect any other component?
@@serebbi your computer will be fine from my past experience I haven't had an issue when testing types of rams together
Who else checked the comments to see how many people are hyped about Madison coming back
Edit: holy crap 1.1k likes
She runs LTT tiktok as well
Lol
yep same just saw her and was like yep people are gonna comment about this right away
who?
@@joshuahendricks3552 Linus Tok Tips
Somebody at edition thought that we wouldn't notice Madison's gloves disappearing on that memory close up XD. Seems that they won't let her really touch a computer lol.
Lmao
There's some creature on your profile picture
Linus: “increasing your RAM speed is important for performance”
Me, using mismatched 400Mhz DDR2: “interesting”
What are you running? A TI-86?
@@leakingamps2050 Windows 10 Pro 64-bit on an AMD Phenom II X4 920, 4 2GB sticks
@@leakingamps2050 The computer was a custom built in 2009, it’s seen Windows 7 come and go, and runs 24/7 as a server for the past 18 months or so.
I used to have a PC with athlon 64 3400+; it supported (barely) the instruction codecs windows 8.1 uses, so I installed it. Ran surprisiungly OK considering its age.
Ouch, even my first system was 800mhz
Thanks for another very informative computer related video. I was always told mixing RAM modules would cause problems, but I have an ASUS E35M1-M Pro motherboard from 2011, which has two sticks of DDR3 4 GB RAM; one
Corsair XMS-3 and one 'no-name' stick of DDR3 4 GB RAM. They've worked happily alongside each other in my Spare PC since 2015, when I built my gaming PC. So much for all the warnings of 'dire consequences' from various 'experts'. Keep'em coming. Russ. UK
Linus I have an interesting idea about the next Secret Shopper. Use a decoy shopper. Make one well-known person call the company's and also make another not-so-known employee do the same thing. Do this on all stages of Secret Shopper and compare how the company's (Dell I'm looking at you) behave when they know Linus is calling them and how they behave when they don't.
From watching those videos, I have serious doubts that Dell tech support would have any idea who Linus is.
they woud have to spend 2x mony on it. It woud be cool but, you know mony is money
Madison is so freaking powerful that she can remove her gloves and put them back in less than a second ! Continuity my friends, continuity ...
cinema sins ding.mp3
It was just Dr. Maddison and Mr. Linus
That was only a fraction of her true power.
Small production. They don't have the resources to catch small mistakes like this....if only Linus had more staff.
@@smoothcortex video next week: "we're hiring for a continuity manager..."
So, we are not gonna talk about how Madison suddenly didn't have gloves on at the start?
They thought we wouldn't notice...
U a redditor
@@sr_bob m dawg sounds more gen z, imo
I thought she'd still technically be under probation...
Upgraded my GF's HP all-in-one PC awhile back with a memory module (and an SSD too) that I had laying around in the 'ol spares box, worked great.
And just bought myself a lenovo T580 laptop and upped it from 8 GB to 24 GB using the OE 8 GB stick and a new16 GB stick and it's cruising along just perfectly. So it can be done.
I love how Madison didn't actually insert the ram in the intro.
I didn’t notice that 🤣
who is that girl
You should let Madison help a ROG winner build their pc. So she can feel how Linus felt when he helped Madison build hers.
Pretty sure ASUS pays a lot of money for the Linus factor though.
Like a contract kinda thing
Who were the ROG winners because I could not find my email😉
Lol i dont think madisons gotten good enough at building for that
Evil genious
“Dude, what are you doing? We need to finish building the computer”
*rubs the sticks of ram together* “...it’s for good luck”
jake.
jake.
lol. wouldn't it kill the ram? (static)
meanwhile...
“It’s not dying, who designed this stupid RAM?”
Jake.
Like chopsticks
my personal server is running 4 sticks from 3 different vendors with chips from at least 2 manufacturers. It's a minor miracle
someone needs to stop the sponsors linus is starting to refer to himself in the third person
ikr what the frick
Linus is getting upset!
@@b00gyman1 man I really want to know the context for that clip
That's because Linus is now sponsoring Linus.
@@liambergstrom8183 you got it man th-cam.com/video/tL9JgMt4okM/w-d-xo.html
I've mixed memory for years and never had issues in hundreds of computers and servers by just matching the MHz
I have i system with 6 different sticks (ALL are different size, speed, latency) overclocked it to the moon and it just works (DDR2)
@@vincentschumann937 Is it weird that I wanna see thia?
@@BigBoronto it isn't if you're into computers and it only works in one order for me but my combination is a bit brutal
Newbie here. Would it hurt or help to have 3 sticks of ddr4 in my hp office machine? (Used for light gaming, eventually there’s a possibility of streaming)
@@United_Kangaroo1992 As long as the sticks are all similar enough, more memory is more good.
i like how you didnt let her insert the ram stick by herself and instead cut to a close up of someone else doing it :D so good
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a sex bot copied your comment lmfao
@@potto1488 Technology really is advancing.
@@user-po6zt8if4c true
Thanks I didn't notice that blatantly obvious cut and now I feel stupid.
I tried upgrading from 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 (16-18-18-36) to add another kit of the same and couldn't get it to run stable above 2600 MHz. Turned out my CPU was the problem, as I found plenty of posts saying the integrated memory controller on Zen+ wasn't that great, so I ended upgrading from my 2700X to a 5700G.
Exactly my experience, tried at least 4 kits of memory and none of them worked properly on my Ryzen 2700X, switched to 5600X and even 48 GB (32+16) is running stably.
Adding this for other enthusiasts that may run into this oddness.. I build systems typically with older hardware to save on costs. Recently built an Unraid system for my home that I have been very happy with, but recently ran into sporadic parity issues. Assisted by that great community, we tracked in back to the RAM, but not for the usual reasons. I am using an ASUS X99-a USB 3.1 with an Intel Core i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz. This is a quad channel motherboard with 8 DIMM slots. As per the ASUS manual, I installed 4 Kingston HyperX Fury 8 Gb modules all in one quad channel. My mistake; I bought two dual channel kits, not one quad channel kit. Turns out, everything worked... most of the time. But running Memtest pointed to issues and errors with the setup. When I reinstalled the same RAM as dual channel in the top DIMM slots of quad channel bank, everything ran smooth. Weird, eh?
Linus: It barely matters
Me: Shiiit, mate. That's all you had to say. "closes video"
@Linus Tech Tips SCAAAAAAAAAM, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CHECKMARK!
💀💀
Today's bots are way worse. I don't get it.
@@h1ghe3a44 As technology advances, bots are going to get continually worse. I’m pretty sure it’s a direct result of capitalism. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen in other countries, it’s just to say that if everyone has access to a free market this is going to happen a lot. It’s annoying as hell.
@Linus Tech Tips i would like to invest. I trust Linus.
I think this is an interesting issue when addressing “upgrading” a laptop, I had success upgrading a laptops RAM a few years back when I replaced its free slot with a 16gb ddr4 that was the same speed as the soldered 8 but in the long run I’m not sure if the slight performance improvement I experienced were worth the hassle or getting it working, however it’s still something I find interesting and ends up influencing my purchasing decisions when buying a laptop.
My work laptop has 8GB soldered and our IT upgrades them with 32gb DIMMs in the free slot, no issues so far but web development isn't super heavy on memory.
yeah most of the time if you don't buy ram that's been certified by your laptop vendor for that model, you'll get super slow speeds and timings looser than a crack hoe.. and there's no way to change it in bios like you can w/ a desktop so you're just stuck w/ what you get. sux.
I did the same, and 24GB was definitely better than 8GB, for my purposes anyway (software dev, VMs)
Back when ddr3 was just comming out, it was quite expensive and I was on a budget so I got ddr2. My motherboard, however, had 2 slots of ddr2 and 2 slots of ddr3. Sometime later I needed more memory so I got 2 sticks of ddr twice the capacity that I had. It actually worked with both, it didn't have the full combined capacity and I don't remember what speed it ran at but it was very stable.
Gigabyte G41-combo mobo?
I got 16 MB SIMM RAM from my 80386 to my P1 PC.
Then I got a Celeron PC that was better than this P1, its motherboard had both SIMM and DIMM slots, and I've used these two SIMM and.. one newer DIMM I think.
Also I gotta note somewhere at that time I had an ISA soundcard that had SIMM slots to expand its MIDI bank loading capabilities, so I used those here too.
I like how Madison ist wearing gloves in the intro, but a bare hand puts in the dimms in the close up :D
That could have possibly happened bcz nobody would have trusted her with the dimms lmao🤣
No offence tho
Nice observation 👌
Because the intro is a parody of Frankenstein... where the rest is just normal life.
You're so german
Everybody gangsta till glasswire can see future network activity
Its just a tiny precog in a box, like a closed prefilled AIO cooler.
I just realized how much Madison and Colton look alike, especially when Colton wears glasses. Welcome to the team, Madison!
@Linus Tech Tips Yeah, no one is falling for this scam
@@hueyrosayaga saldy a lot of people do
I have 8gb ram 2133mhz and 4gb ram 2666mhz , so it's 12gb ram, and Ram speed in Task manager is 2667mhz in windows 10 enterprise Ltsc 2019, but if I install windows 10 or 11 pro , I have 12gb ram BUT with lower speed 2133mhz. So I think it depends by system itself . I don't have any problem with Days gone, Cyberpunk 2077, and Death stranding. Fps is about 45, with gtx 1050 2gb with I3 10100f and h510m-k .
wdym you don't have any problem? If fps drops under 70 I get instant headache
@@yanni-duff well, I had 8gb ram before and Days gone and Cyberpunk were very hard to play because of stuttering , so 12 gb ram is fine to me. Even Horizon zero dawn has 45 fps now with 12gb ram so it's so much better than with 30fps and 8gb ram. I guess I can play with 45fps or 50, depends of level details in game.
@@yanni-duff Anything over 30 fps is playable, just like in the games of old that we used to play on those heavy CTR TV's.
Not everyone have the money and/or the desire to dump copious amounts of money on PC hardware every years just to play whatever new title at 144 or more fps at ultra settings, budget and casual gamers are happy with 30-60 fps at middle or low settings as long as the game moves smoothly.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 You don't need that much money for 1080p 60fps gaming. My 700 EUR pc from 6 years ago does that. If you get 30 fps just go out and do something better for your time, its completely unplayable.
@oCoreXs who said you need the highest grade, last gen, overpriced gpu to outclass a mere console? Just too dumb to waste my time arguing
I feel like the most common memory mixing scenario would be two mismatched 2 stick kits. You may have tested that, but it wasn't super clear
Yeah, as far as I saw it will be no problem, unless you trying to go for xmp way above slowest modulr
Exactly this. Most people having 4 RAM slots get at start 2 stick to run in dual channel and then as time goes there's option to put another 2 sticks which are different. They should test this but they did not. I would like to get an answer what configuration of slots is optimal for pairing different sticks for dual channel. Should each channel should be exactly the same (so 2 different sticks per channel) or is it better to put one brand in first channel and other is second channel?
@@ademiravdic yeah, I really didn't get what they were going for. Obviously you're not going to be able to clock way above the slowest stick, so that was hardly news (getting a 2666 stick up to 4000?).
I'd be more interested in what happens if you're running at 3600 or whatever (maybe XMP), and you buy another set of 3600 RAM with comparable timings, or maybe a faster set. Does that cause issues? That seems like the sort of scenario an enthusiast would actually run into. And of course run it at the slower of the two timings.
@@RichFreeman Agreed. I can't be bothered manually messing around with overclocking, but might want to upgrade from basic XMP 16GB to 32GB and just happy if I don't see a performance drop.
You're unlikely to be able to overclock a *matched pair* of 2666 sticks up towards 4000 without a lot of luck and much manual tweaking, why would they choose that as their test scenario for unmatched sticks/pairs? Out of touch will real users comes to mind.
yeah, why on earth did they test 4 different modules but not this config?
So if I download my memory on Chrome I can't mix it with memory I downloaded on Firefox
But you can mix it with RAM you download on Edge because they are both Chromium based.
so if you think you make a smart joke you remain id!otski for ever
lol
Free RAM is open-source, so you should be able to find multiple sites with compatible RAM. Just make sure the toolbar you install looks the same and you should be good
Overclock it.
SHE’S BACK!
Urgh, she's here..
The oof girl is back
@@timooo69 No?
@@timooo69 Is that a reference?
@@justsomeguy5470 yep
I have mixed memory but only 2 of each type to fill all four slots and there have been no issues for 4 and a half years of gaming and watching your channel among others !
LTT has given up on actually segueing to their sponsor, now they segue to the segue and cut abruptly to the sponsor spot. The word segue has lost meaning and I love it.
it's cringe as hell and made for elementarty school children. insults anyone with any level of inteligence and makes me want to not even click anymore. especially when he puts those nasty underwear ads up. i mean, if your making content for kids why include that crap? no one wants to see that crap, gross. maybe start selling womens underwear or something if you're that desperate. i'm getting to the point of almost avoiding their content. but i am not a child so...
@@XX-121 It's just an advert... Skip it if you want to. It's a shame that they need adverts, but this platform is free to use.
trance dj What's wrong with undies though? Also the laid back vibe is good sometimes. Why so serious?
They don't take themselves too seriously, and neither do we. Why do you?
@@XX-121 just stop watching bruh it's clear you just aren't a fan anymore. Nobody cares about an underwear ad, cause everyone wears it. Unless you don't, which is why you find it gross... anyways, you have an L key. Use it next time you see someone mention anything about a sponsor, it'll change your life. Also, if the content is made for children, then how would avoiding it make you a child? It's questions like these which are why I say you aren't a fan anymore. When critiques don't hold much logic behind them, it usually means there's a form of bias instead
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Crazy how much hype Madison generates by just existing in a LTT video. She's a good hire... I think.
It's because of the simps
Of course her cameos are more elusive than Stan Lee showing up in MCU movies.
First time I read your comment I mistakenly read "cameos" as "cameltoes".
@@espanalibre6065 spammy trash using lazy and scummy promotional tactics
- may your dislikes be plentiful and unwavering
If no more slots for RAM are available, but you have a SLI mb with only one GPU plugged in, you can always use that slot to mix more RAM in.
Is this true?
I love the wide shots of Madison wearing gloves and then the close up of the ram insert is a glove-less hand. Peak comedy.
@Lo Fell how is he simping lmfao
@Lo Fell where is he simping lol
@@J37182 “if you act any sort of friendly or appreciating towards any FeMaLe you’re a perverted simp” - incels
@Lo Fell She's funny, it's like Anthony but you feel uncomfortable because you are a child and girls scare you
@Lo Fell nah dawg I'm engaged, I just like seeing someone be successful, unlike you obviously.
Continuity at 0:05 - gloves, no gloves close up, then gloves again
The camera zoomed in so close. The character model glitches and the gloves faded away. Take it up with Support...though good luck. I've been trying to get my T-Rex Build unbanned for 3 billion years....no replies. I broke no rules!
I think I’ve had matching dims in like two PCs over the years. I always got killer performance doing the Frankenstein method but would have loved to build machines like this. I could waste a week in this shop having a blast sleeping on a cot lol. I’d be very interested in building a super computer again but this time out of a portable desk.. so thin light and strong and most importantly, super portable.
Strip an old game console such as an xbox 360 or something and make a gaming pc
In general as long as the frequency is the same you're fine with plug and play. Been a rule since my first laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8600. Wouldn't boot with 2 different frequencies. Swapped the smaller one out with one to match the bigger one. Ran beautifully
@vincentmarcellino7183
i have a Dell Inspiron with 4gb Ddr4 -2666v Ram stick
I'm planning on getting a 8gb Ddr4 -3000v
should it be fine ? or i should instead get a 8gb -2666v to match it?
"we created a bass line"
and yet I hear no bass
sad times
NOT EPICO
bass below 20 Hz
Huh 🙄
It's so deep.
Petitions for linus to make a song called "Dropping the beat"
Mastered by Deadmau5
Might as well, he drops everything else.
My question is how did this affect stability? Performance is all fine and dandy but if you can't use the system it becomes a moot point
I had 4 8gig sticks from the same manufacturer but 2 were a different model from the other 2 and slightly slower, ran them in the PC for about 3 years no stabilitty issues, upgraded to faster memory is the only reason i swapped it out, I hadn't even bothered to mess with the BIOS settings.
Benchmarking provokes stability problems, if present. If linus had stability issues, he'd have to explain why he doesn't have any benchmarking data to offer
@@jimblob78 I've run benchmarks before on an overclocked cpu that ran fine but my games would keep crashing until I reduced the OC
Everything will be perfectly stable as long as you don't overclock the memory. It will just run at the speed of your slowest module. Note that XMP counts as overclocking, the actual DDR4 standard only goes up to 3200 MT/s.
@@shawno8253 did you watch the video? He benchmarked using games in this video.
08:52 - Linus spit tips 😀?
I've run various different RAM sticks in many PCs and never encountered a substantial problem. Sure, timings should be equal and they will only run as fast as the slowest stick - but many times it was just an upgrade for a "family PC" that mostly did word processing.
I wish gpu stock was as consistent as Linus’ sponsors
@Linus Tech Tips SCAM
comments was like
10% opinion about the topic
90% Madison
Linus knew his audience well.
Yes! Well played Linus, Well played!
Stop saying "Get Lucky", I can't handle the pain today :'[
This guy gets it :(
Im with you! 😭
very sad indeed
In the words of the wise... "Like the legend of the phoenix, All ends with beginnings, What keeps the planet spinning, The force from the beginning" Stay up all night, you'll get it ;)
I just tried to add a 4gb ddr3 1600mhz ram to my already 3 X 4gb 1333mhz and let's just say it wasn't pretty. Instant boot fails, blue screens, random crashes/restarts. Wiped out my fortnite and lost my graphics card drivers on recovery. Wont be doing that again. That's for sure.
in my old pc i had 2x8gb 1600 cl9 and put in an additional 2x8gb 1600 cl9 from a different brand a bit later. zero problems.
as long as the ram sticks have pretty much the exact same specifications and run at the same speed, you shouldnt run into any problems, from my experience.
what LTT tested here, were very different ram speeds and memory modules slammed into one system, i cannot recommend that.
I love that Madison finally back 😭...best decision was to hire her
I've been mixing ram for years... People like to talk about timing difference, DDR speed,etc but really doesn't matter !!! just remember your board will underclock too your slowest stick in system
Every ram stick in my pc.is different and i can tell it really does't matter
interesting
I had a lot of crashes mixing ram, even though they are the exact same model, two of them just have rgb. They only work when put in a specific order.
It doesn't until you get random errors and your board does not read some stick anymore when you reboot.
I mean...I've tried this twice, All same speed, & timings. But oof...every time it royally fucked up my computer and led to near constant crashes or trouble even booting in the first place.
Mixed 2 different sets of ram twice in my life, both times that was kingston modules.
First time - old ddr3 sticks, 2x2GB and 2x4GB. Worked fine.
Second time - a month ago, bought 2x8 Kingston Fury modules to my pair of HyperX Renegade, also 2x8. Both was 3200ghz, both working OK on 3200 GHZ together.
It's funny how in the beginning it shows madison putting the ram stick on the motherboard wearing gloves and it cuts to a closer angle of a gloveless hand
"Linus, we have those weird scarfs. What now?"
"Run hours of memory benchmarks, compile results, and write a quick script. Stop asking stupid questions."
I really appreciate that you include pricing with all of your plugs!. Glad LTT is
transparent and isn’t just trying to lure me into their Store trying to figure out the price!
What isn't quite clear for me, regarding dual channel and XMP, when using two different sets is: Should I put set #1 in A2-B2 and set #2 in A1-B1? Or set #1 in A1-A2 and set #2 in B1-B2? Does it matter?
*buys a number of crazy 8k and 1k cameras*
*forgets to remove the vaseline from the lens*
"B-Die is bettah, I eat up voltage and slam timings into the ground."
"Rev. E is bettah, I run high frequencies shilky and shmooth."
*Slamming DIMMs together*
"Stop looking at me, Hynix."
One of my first computers back in the early 2000s was a Frankenstein computer, running a set of random 256 meg ram slots I found in a box. I got it to run Morrowind so it was a solid success for teenage me
IT'S A TRAP
@Linus Tech Tips SCAM
I used to run two different memory size kits from different manufacturers but with the exact same specifications. I never had an issue.
Love how Madi was just a person who got her PC from Linus to now working for him
Yes
Didnt really get what i was hoping for with this one... my main concern is with running different sets of dual-channeled ram. (so 4gx2 + 8gx2 at different Mhz). Most ram comes in sets of two nowdays
What happen to those set now? Same here, i have 4GB+ 8GB and still run smooth for my daily use.
@fahmialikhsan8477 I'm planning on doing the same,Do you think it will effect my decent gaming? or it should be just fine
4+8GB both of different frequencies
Will Madison be the next “secret shopper”? 🤔
She actually seems pretty knowledgeable, I think secret shopper works better with someone that genuinely isn’t familiar with PC hardware.
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i doubt it she will be recognized by an ltt viewer on the other side of the line
Well everybody knows about her, she's not a "secret" anymore. I mean there are more than 8 million views on rog rig reboot.
I recently built a gaming rig for myself,
i9 14900KF (Overkill, almost useless for gaming, but I didn't wanted to upgrade for a long time)
But I did the error of buying 2 separate kits 2x16GB (Corsair Vengeance 6400) they were running maximum at 5600 but stable at 5400, then I had a lot of BSOD, random Crashes in games, at some point I wasn't able to reinstall window anymore, so, I downgraded the CPU to an i7 14700 (the 14700k wasn't available) because in the meanwhile I realized that the i9 was too much of a waste and probably mine was also faulty, I changed the rams with a single kit 4x16GB DDR5 6000 (prior to checking on my MB compatibility list) and now I have 0 problems with the rams running at 6000mhz, Fury Beast
I've been building computers since the days it required schematics and a soldering iron. But since the advent of memory slots, I've been a stickler to only buy motherboards with (at least) four RAM slots and using only half for the initial build - usually splurging slightly in the now in anticipation for what will be more likely available in the future. Where memory is concerned, I always look at the newest modules with the best overall performance I can get for a reasonable price.
My current main rig is somewhat ancient (i7-5820K w/ASROCK X99 Extreme4) with a pair of Ripjaws F4-3200C15G-32GVKs, (2x16GB) which had recently come out and were the best I could afford at the time. Bought another pair about two years ago (now at 64GB total) and, in fact, the exact same modules are still available today - more than five years after my initial build.
Granted one can't predict the future but, if you splurge a bit in certain places (mobo & RAM in particular), you can reliably expect plenty of upgrade avenues for yourself in the future.
Do you know what kind of corsair ram is this on 3:57 ???
Its not the dominator.
?I don't know what it is?
Furry
Yep feel like people cheap out on boards too often. I like to have the bells and whistles
have you ever mixed 16gb with 8gb rams? what was like?
@@nicolasg6983 It varies by board/chipset but, in general, everything syncs with the lowest performance - the lowest speed and highest latency among whatever RAM modules you have installed.
Most boards/chipsets will still access the full capacities, but the issue really comes down to if that extra capacity justifies the performance hit.
FINALLY SHE'S BACK!
It’s been a while
who??
@@Rexonstudio joe mama
simp
@@Andreenx that's not how it works
I like how he said he wasn't going to have her in any videos cause she's in the probation period but has been in almost every video since 🤣🤣
Great video! I work at Best Buy and this video gave me. better understanding of RAM compatibility that I can communicate to customers. Thank you!