At first I was gonna be a smart ass and talk crap about you guys, then I realized you deal with the same headaches and screw up like I do....good job fellas. Love the detail. Jeep on.
Love watching Your Videos... You always show what two Guys that are not sure of what their doing, and how you can work through it, and figure it out... It’s what all Us Weekend Warriors go through every time we get under our Jeep! 😃👍😳😝
Seriously, thanks for making this video. Going to be replacing my factory steering box with a PSC big bore steering box. I've been putting it off just cause I havent seen a decent write-up/video on it until now. Good stuff 👌🏽
This is by far the most accurate depiction of how 99.99% of us did this job. Come on everyone, let's be honest. Great video guys. I used it as my guide how to do mine. Right down to the part where you spill the drain pan full of fluid.
Sadly, it’s almost unavoidable. Perhaps someone, one day, will watch the video all the way through first so they can see it coming before it happens and avoid the spill. Some day. Perhaps.
Just finished replacing steering box on my 2014 jk with a redhead box . I had a problem getting the pitman arm off and ended up pulling the box out with pit arm attached and then knocked the pitman off with a hammer it came of easy . Thank you for the video . Also it is a two man job but very doable
Isn’t that box heavy?!? It surprises me every time I heft one. Feels odd that something that small would weigh that much. Glad you were able to get it off easily. Hopefully others will see your comment and have a similar experience!
Safety glasses?? Those parts under pressure are a serious eye risk, just bouncing off or breaking free all you need is a sliver in the wrong direction! That said, your close-up of the pitman arm on the sector shaft confirmed what I needed, thanks!!!
@@1111Overland I have seen bad stuff happen! FYI to any1 who may have this question. The pitman arm doesn't need to snug up to the steering box and the sector shaft splines may or may not appear on the lower side of the pitman arm. As you torque the pitman arm nut it will suck it up as far as it goes. Also (unlike the dealer I had) I used a bit of locktite on the nut and mark every nut and bolt under the Jeep! :)
Awesome video. I had the same issue with removing my pitman arm. I was replacing it with a drip pitman arm, it was a pain in the buttt!!! I also ended up ruining my arm puller got a pretty heavy duty one from autozone and said my prayers. Unfortunately I think all the force I put on the shaft ruined my steering box. After installing the new lift and pitman arm im experiencing a slight rattle in the area of my steering box on certain slopes and turns. Thanks for the how-to video definitely taught me what needs to be done.
Not fun at all. These hobbies can add up quickly, and I rarely have an upgrade that “goes perfectly” but when it does… it’s so nice. Sorry to hear you ran into extra challenges. We’ve all been there!
Good video. I ended up taking off the box with the pitman arm on it, put the tie rod puller on it, let it soak with PB so it would penetrate from the bottom of the sector shaft (gotta put the box upside down)...put the new box on while it soaked and by the time i was done with that i was able to use the impact/hit it with a hammer and the pitman arm came off super easy. whole job was 2.5 hours solo.
Great Real world video, I think this is the issue with as well... only question mark on the video is safety glasses/goggles gentlemen. Dirt falling and when things break they fly. But thanks for the info...
thanks for the video! Like many of us... I will likely be addressing this soon on my 2010 running 37s Probably the PSC with ports to leave the option of hydro later.... but I am tempted to send a new OE box out for the ports to be added and just run a ram with the OE box. either way, thanks for the documentation of the process, makes it much easier to go down this road at home
David Norman I’ve heard of people boring out the OEM box... personally I would worry that the OEM wouldn’t withstand the abuse. The PSC has the bigger bore, feels like that’s the right direction. Super smart to future proof with the hydro ports.
As with anything where you are turning a screw using a puller, GREASE THE SHAFT on your pitman arm puller! That goes for ball joint pullers and everything else. Those threads need lubrication and are only binding without it. You and your tool will be much happier! And all the hardware is metric...
To remove my pitman arm, I tightened the puller with a 24" bar, put pentrant above and below the nut, put a heavy hammer behind and hit from the front. I ended up leaving it with tension for a few hours, the it came right off.
OEM Rman boxes SUCK! They generally change the seals and that's about it. The sector shaft is ALWAYS worn on reman units, so replacing the box with a reman fixes leaks, but almost never solves looseness in the steering.@4:40, since you are replacing the box, just give the pitman arm joint a few smacks. After all, you will be returning it for a reman core, so the next guy can get your damaged box (see the problem!).
I bought all my wrenches separately from the hardware store and then got a wrench roll from Amazon. I also got my Jeep tool bag from Blue Ridge Overland gear and keep a full set of every tool I need on the trail in each pouch. I could have bought a full kit but it would have been larger and not as complete. Doing it this way I was able to get exactly what I wanted in the smallest space possible.
Dude if jeep it's lifted your solution is a new adjustable arms or front axle assembly made for a lifted jeep. Your caster is off that's why you get a floating feeling.
So my 2013 jk has been running great. But all of a sudden, I get this thump under my feet on the driver side, it feels like something is punching from under the car is this my steering box? It only happens when turning my steering wheel from left to right at about 10 MPH.any ideas and thanks in advance
Sorry for the delay responding. Very odd. My first reaction is to check the front drive shaft, then look at the drag link and tie rods. It’s possible it’s in the steering box but that doesn’t feel quite right. Could you have someone drive it slowly in a circle while you walk next to it and look for problems?
I also have to change my steering box and trying to find the most budget friendly way to do it. The steering box you installed you said was the OEM/factory one. I’ve researched and found that the OEM is around $500-$700 but have found an Advance Auto Parts / Autozone aftermarket equivalent (Cardone is the manufactures name) for much cheaper, less than $200. Which one did you choose? And if anyone else can give me pointers I’ll be deeply appreciative. Thank you!
I think we bought one from Oriellys. It was quite a while ago so I don’t remember 100%. I’ve since replaced my factory box with the PSC big bore and it was 100% worth it. The extra turning power is incredible and I love the way the Jeep corners now. Feels like a sports car!!
In this situation we replaced the steering box with an exact match for the stock box. In my JK I have since upgraded to the PSC big bore box and yes, I did indeed replace the pump, the reservoir, and all the lines.
Great video. I'm going PSC big bore in a few weeks so this was good to watch. The question I have is do you have to line anything up when you reinstall the pitman arm on the shaft? Are there marks or anything?
Eric H that PSC big bore is on my list, and one of the reasons I wanted to help John do this was to understand the process, making easier when I upgrade mine. I can’t remember if there was a set of grooves that made aligning that pitman up properly but I think there was... let me double check.
Okay, there are four grooves on the pitman arm, so if you are off, you would be off by 90 degrees. That’s one of the reasons you lock the steering wheel with that ratcheting tie down, to eliminate the odds of it going too far off
So I just learned that Jeep made a larger master cylinder kit for the military J8 that works in the JK. Gives you the approximate stopping power of the big bore at half the price. Search for “MOPAR J8 MASTER CYLINDER AND BRAKE BOOSTER” on Northridge4x4
At the high flow line at the steering gear box, was there a clear tube running into the gear box? I am thinking it’s debris and the reason the gear box failed
What was the jeep doing before you replaced the box? When driving my jeep (specially on the freeway) if I turn either way, it does not want to return to the straight position, and is also hard to turn at any speeds. Wondering if your jeep had some of the same characteristics before you replaced the box. Please let me know, thanks for posting!
dirk lewis sounds like it. Had another friend recently who had his steering pump go bad, which prevented the steering box from getting enough fluid, which caused it to go bad too. His started with a “harder and harder to turn” and then the power steering went out completely
Yes! In our experience death wobble is 100% preventable. There are some people who considered a mystery but it’s almost always related to either ball joints, track bar, drag link, or tie rod. On rare occasions it could be controlled arms. Check each one methodically and then you should find the culprit.
William Tice It’s actually a lot easier than you think. It took us a very long time, almost 3 hours, because we spent an hour trying to get the Pitman arm off (it was STUCK!!) but once we decided just to go buy a new one, it went fast.
Depends on the situation. If you are replacing the pitman arm, yes. If you are keeping the SAME pitman arm you can leave it on, but that may also require that you really pound on that pitman arm while it’s attached to the track bar to remove it which COULD damage the track bar bushing.
Why would you need to cut the old pitman arm off if you are replacthe steering box and pitman arm also lol. Maybe I'm missing something or havnt got to that part of the video yet. But seems like unnecessary work
@@1111Overland Just as a reminder WD-40 isnt a penetrating spray, its a water displacement. PB Blaster would have gone a long way on that pitman arm. I am planning on replacing my steering box on my 08 next week. This video will be on repeat on my ipad.
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At first I was gonna be a smart ass and talk crap about you guys, then I realized you deal with the same headaches and screw up like I do....good job fellas. Love the detail. Jeep on.
BooZer Hernandez Everyone needs a healthy dose of ridicule in their lives… Keeps us humble.
Love watching Your Videos... You always show what two Guys that are not sure of what their doing, and how you can work through it, and figure it out... It’s what all Us Weekend Warriors go through every time we get under our Jeep! 😃👍😳😝
FW Schnaar you just described us PERFECTLY!!
OMG why am I just finding this now, had the exact same issue for the last year after 7 years of owning mine.
Seriously, thanks for making this video. Going to be replacing my factory steering box with a PSC big bore steering box. I've been putting it off just cause I havent seen a decent write-up/video on it until now. Good stuff 👌🏽
Louis Diaz tremendous compliment thank you! Hope yours goes well
This is by far the most accurate depiction of how 99.99% of us did this job. Come on everyone, let's be honest. Great video guys. I used it as my guide how to do mine. Right down to the part where you spill the drain pan full of fluid.
Sadly, it’s almost unavoidable. Perhaps someone, one day, will watch the video all the way through first so they can see it coming before it happens and avoid the spill. Some day. Perhaps.
@@1111Overland I watched it twice and still dropped the old one in the drain pan. I quite literally laughed out loud at it. Great video.!
It was helpful and maybe the only video showing a JK Power Steering Gear Box repair.
G PCM thank you! We had a great time doing it. Not a hard install, but easy to run into stubborn bolts...
Just finished replacing steering box on my 2014 jk with a redhead box . I had a problem getting the pitman arm off and ended up pulling the box out with pit arm attached and then knocked the pitman off with a hammer it came of easy . Thank you for the video . Also it is a two man job but very doable
Isn’t that box heavy?!? It surprises me every time I heft one. Feels odd that something that small would weigh that much.
Glad you were able to get it off easily. Hopefully others will see your comment and have a similar experience!
Safety glasses?? Those parts under pressure are a serious eye risk, just bouncing off or breaking free all you need is a sliver in the wrong direction! That said, your close-up of the pitman arm on the sector shaft confirmed what I needed, thanks!!!
Yep, I’m a safety glasses all the time guy now. Back when I made this video… not so much. Luckily I never had any bad experiences!
@@1111Overland I have seen bad stuff happen! FYI to any1 who may have this question. The pitman arm doesn't need to snug up to the steering box and the sector shaft splines may or may not appear on the lower side of the pitman arm. As you torque the pitman arm nut it will suck it up as far as it goes. Also (unlike the dealer I had) I used a bit of locktite on the nut and mark every nut and bolt under the Jeep! :)
Awesome video. I had the same issue with removing my pitman arm. I was replacing it with a drip pitman arm, it was a pain in the buttt!!! I also ended up ruining my arm puller got a pretty heavy duty one from autozone and said my prayers. Unfortunately I think all the force I put on the shaft ruined my steering box. After installing the new lift and pitman arm im experiencing a slight rattle in the area of my steering box on certain slopes and turns. Thanks for the how-to video definitely taught me what needs to be done.
Not fun at all. These hobbies can add up quickly, and I rarely have an upgrade that “goes perfectly” but when it does… it’s so nice. Sorry to hear you ran into extra challenges. We’ve all been there!
Good video. I ended up taking off the box with the pitman arm on it, put the tie rod puller on it, let it soak with PB so it would penetrate from the bottom of the sector shaft (gotta put the box upside down)...put the new box on while it soaked and by the time i was done with that i was able to use the impact/hit it with a hammer and the pitman arm came off super easy. whole job was 2.5 hours solo.
B V that’s a great way to handle it!! Wish we’d thought of that.
Just had to do this on the trail in Sand Hollow. Thanks for a great video.
Norm Haslauer Yikes! On your jeep?
Jeremy McLerran Yes, snapped the sector shaft right off!
Now i know to buy a pitman arm with my steering box...lol
You could always return it if you didn’t use it!
Great Real world video, I think this is the issue with as well... only question mark on the video is safety glasses/goggles gentlemen. Dirt falling and when things break they fly. But thanks for the info...
Yep, we’ve had plenty of that happen. We’re pretty careful about wearing glasses these days.
thanks for the video!
Like many of us... I will likely be addressing this soon on my 2010 running 37s
Probably the PSC with ports to leave the option of hydro later.... but I am tempted to send a new OE box out for the ports to be added and just run a ram with the OE box.
either way, thanks for the documentation of the process, makes it much easier to go down this road at home
David Norman I’ve heard of people boring out the OEM box... personally I would worry that the OEM wouldn’t withstand the abuse. The PSC has the bigger bore, feels like that’s the right direction. Super smart to future proof with the hydro ports.
As with anything where you are turning a screw using a puller, GREASE THE SHAFT on your pitman arm puller! That goes for ball joint pullers and everything else. Those threads need lubrication and are only binding without it. You and your tool will be much happier! And all the hardware is metric...
Tony Coley very helpful reminder, thanks for posting! Any particular grease you prefer?
To remove my pitman arm, I tightened the puller with a 24" bar, put pentrant above and below the nut, put a heavy hammer behind and hit from the front. I ended up leaving it with tension for a few hours, the it came right off.
@@1111Overlandlol
Great video guys
Thank you! It was fun to make. Hopefully you find it helpful
Nice ! Thanks
Where did you get a gear box for $200? That’s a great deal
I bought my jk in 3/07 have ran 35 tires for 10 years. Have 361k miles suspect it's time to change it out.
I didn't know Ryan Reynolds did voiceovers for automotive videos...
Oh he does, but only for Jeeps.
thanks.... doing it this weekend!!
Bust outbail Best of luck to you! A second pair of hands helps a lot.
Many times you can use a hammer and tap on the side of the Pittman arm as you and pressure to the puller.
Scottie Walker Didn’t show it in the video, but we definitely did that. Good tip, hope it works for others!!
@@1111Overland it worked for me this weekend. Lol
I know this is very random, but the camera guy definitely sounds like Ryan Reynolds every now and then lol
well that’s a great compliment!
I just left my pitman arm on my old box; wasn't worth the extra effort getting the old one off :P
OEM Rman boxes SUCK! They generally change the seals and that's about it. The sector shaft is ALWAYS worn on reman units, so replacing the box with a reman fixes leaks, but almost never solves looseness in the steering.@4:40, since you are replacing the box, just give the pitman arm joint a few smacks. After all, you will be returning it for a reman core, so the next guy can get your damaged box (see the problem!).
I upgraded my steering box to the PSC big bore with the high capacity reservoir and pump and it’s been an amazing drive ever since!
I hope the control arms you torqued to 250 ft/lbs weren’t the ones on your JK, those only get 125.
Thank you, you saved me time. Im gonna replace mine. Where you buy your big wrench kit?
I bought all my wrenches separately from the hardware store and then got a wrench roll from Amazon. I also got my Jeep tool bag from Blue Ridge Overland gear and keep a full set of every tool I need on the trail in each pouch. I could have bought a full kit but it would have been larger and not as complete. Doing it this way I was able to get exactly what I wanted in the smallest space possible.
Dude if jeep it's lifted your solution is a new adjustable arms or front axle assembly made for a lifted jeep. Your caster is off that's why you get a floating feeling.
Nice Video!!
John Otis nice Jeep! Thanks for being patient while I filmed!
Tighten puller a bit , hit arm with hammer walla !
So my 2013 jk has been running great. But all of a sudden, I get this thump under my feet on the driver side, it feels like something is punching from under the car is this my steering box? It only happens when turning my steering wheel from left to right at about 10 MPH.any ideas and thanks in advance
Sorry for the delay responding. Very odd. My first reaction is to check the front drive shaft, then look at the drag link and tie rods. It’s possible it’s in the steering box but that doesn’t feel quite right.
Could you have someone drive it slowly in a circle while you walk next to it and look for problems?
I also have to change my steering box and trying to find the most budget friendly way to do it. The steering box you installed you said was the OEM/factory one. I’ve researched and found that the OEM is around $500-$700 but have found an Advance Auto Parts / Autozone aftermarket equivalent (Cardone is the manufactures name) for much cheaper, less than $200. Which one did you choose? And if anyone else can give me pointers I’ll be deeply appreciative. Thank you!
I think we bought one from Oriellys. It was quite a while ago so I don’t remember 100%.
I’ve since replaced my factory box with the PSC big bore and it was 100% worth it. The extra turning power is incredible and I love the way the Jeep corners now. Feels like a sports car!!
Instructions for the pitman arm puller says to hit the tail with a hammer every few turns.
Those pitman arms can be tricky for sure.
Did you have to replace steering pump? Does the stock one work fine with new steering box?
In this situation we replaced the steering box with an exact match for the stock box. In my JK I have since upgraded to the PSC big bore box and yes, I did indeed replace the pump, the reservoir, and all the lines.
doesn't look like a quick simple job. Why didn't he upgrade to a psc box or something like that?
Red Rock Crawlers he was planning to sell the Jeep within a short time and buy a JL.
Great video. I'm going PSC big bore in a few weeks so this was good to watch. The question I have is do you have to line anything up when you reinstall the pitman arm on the shaft? Are there marks or anything?
Eric H that PSC big bore is on my list, and one of the reasons I wanted to help John do this was to understand the process, making easier when I upgrade mine. I can’t remember if there was a set of grooves that made aligning that pitman up properly but I think there was... let me double check.
Okay, there are four grooves on the pitman arm, so if you are off, you would be off by 90 degrees. That’s one of the reasons you lock the steering wheel with that ratcheting tie down, to eliminate the odds of it going too far off
@@1111Overland That makes sense. Thanks!
Eric H glad we could help! Good luck with the big bore!
So I just learned that Jeep made a larger master cylinder kit for the military J8 that works in the JK. Gives you the approximate stopping power of the big bore at half the price. Search for “MOPAR J8 MASTER CYLINDER AND BRAKE BOOSTER” on Northridge4x4
Aim high
Sounds like an old Air Force slogan.
At the high flow line at the steering gear box, was there a clear tube running into the gear box? I am thinking it’s debris and the reason the gear box failed
No, there shouldn’t be a clear line running into it… is it aftermarket or does it look factory?
My steering box also had a clear tube on the high pressure line plug
& also What’s the process of refilling with fluids & bleeding the system
@@1111Overland hi, any input on the plastic tube?
What was the jeep doing before you replaced the box? When driving my jeep (specially on the freeway) if I turn either way, it does not want to return to the straight position, and is also hard to turn at any speeds. Wondering if your jeep had some of the same characteristics before you replaced the box. Please let me know, thanks for posting!
dirk lewis sounds like it. Had another friend recently who had his steering pump go bad, which prevented the steering box from getting enough fluid, which caused it to go bad too. His started with a “harder and harder to turn” and then the power steering went out completely
What was the mileage when the previous box went bad?
We’re you getting any death wobble due to your steering issues?
Yes! In our experience death wobble is 100% preventable. There are some people who considered a mystery but it’s almost always related to either ball joints, track bar, drag link, or tie rod. On rare occasions it could be controlled arms.
Check each one methodically and then you should find the culprit.
Note to self: buy new pitman arm first.
Exactly.
Or rent/borrow a pitman arm puller from an auto parts store.
Nice video! Needing to do mine soon... this gives me hope I can actually pull it off! How long did it actually take to complete?
William Tice It’s actually a lot easier than you think. It took us a very long time, almost 3 hours, because we spent an hour trying to get the Pitman arm off (it was STUCK!!) but once we decided just to go buy a new one, it went fast.
Awesome, thank you! Keep up the good work, brother 👊🏻
Is it really necessary to unbolt the track bar?
Depends on the situation. If you are replacing the pitman arm, yes. If you are keeping the SAME pitman arm you can leave it on, but that may also require that you really pound on that pitman arm while it’s attached to the track bar to remove it which COULD damage the track bar bushing.
@@1111Overland Huh? I think you’re mixing up the track bar and the drag link
@@ironicpunishmentdivision4226 oh yeah, duh! Sorry. Yeah, track bar was just in the way. You don’t have to remove it but it makes it easier
Why would you need to cut the old pitman arm off if you are replacthe steering box and pitman arm also lol. Maybe I'm missing something or havnt got to that part of the video yet. But seems like unnecessary work
Originally we had planned to re-use the original Pittman arm.
7:26 is that a crack in the housing of the box near where the bolt flanges are?
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My wanna be mechanic can't even take 1 bolt off
WD-40. Wait 5 min. Hit it with the heat gun. WD-40 again. Wait 5 min. Try to loosen. If that doesn’t work, repeat the steps above.
@@1111Overland Just as a reminder WD-40 isnt a penetrating spray, its a water displacement. PB Blaster would have gone a long way on that pitman arm. I am planning on replacing my steering box on my 08 next week. This video will be on repeat on my ipad.
Great video. And this looks like a total pain in the dick
Haha this is definitely not a weekend warrior project
Dont pull toward your face your lucky u didn't lose any teeth. And a crescent wrench is for plumbing.