So...barely a week or so after my video on whether Baraggan deserved to be the Primera Espada, Kubo drops this information on us. So, what do you think? How powerful really was Starrk's original form, and what does it mean for his present day iteration? Let me know - thanks everyone!
Your thumbnail is very disingenuous, Regarding power, ressurected starrk would be above base original form starrk which means he can't be close to aizens level at all.
Original starrk split into two, if he halved his power then his original form would be maximum 2x greater than base current starrk (hogyoku amp) or starrk when he split (pre hogyoku amp), you could argue he gave more power to lilynette like say 90% making her stronger than starrk but that would make no sense as shes extemely weak and its also not likely a 50-50 split. So in no instance should aizen be below any form of starrk or fear him as original starrk at most in ressurection would only be abit stronger to 2x stronger(MAX) than split ressurected starrk. And ressurected starrk struggled with love and rose and then lost to shunsui. Aizen destroyed all the captains, so aizen should have no reason to fear him.
It seems like kubo contradicted the question by saying he thinks it's because starrks charm is being hard to read as if thats why aizen didn't recruit starrk in his original form, not to do with power.
So if Kubo is saying that Starrk's power would be difficult to deal with, then he's either contradicting or retconning what he had Aizen say in ch.376 pg.1, where he states that his power exceeds all of the Espadas. If his power exceeds all of them then how is he finding it difficult to deal with Starrk?🤔🤯
I always liked the idea that Starrk is basically a Hallow mirror to Zaraki. Someone so overwhelmingly strong it isolated them from the rest of the world to the point they physically manifested their own companion. Both manifestations subconsciously took the form of a little sister/daughter to give them something to want to protect.
Aizen being wary of someone or something because of their power really says something. Starrk was definitely a powerful being but his personality was not up for it. Between just wanting friends and even morally opposing killing he was better suited to be with Ichigo and company.
I mean Aizen's spiritual pressure/energy specifically was stated to be about double or more of a normal Captain, and I know it's not necessarily a particularly "good" comparison but Stark was not even trying while fighting 3 captains at one point and they couldn't put a finger on him He was insanely strong, he was just literally too lazy to use it
I always interpreted Aizen in that scene deciding to forgo the bravado because he had found a kindred spirit, or at least the closest to, in suffering in solitude due to being anomalously powerful. This adds to that with the fact that he was wary of what Starrk to do
Yeah, since a few comments by Ichigo and HatnClogs suggests Aizen is just lonely at the top due to his strength. He wanted someone who could understand him, even if he didn't fully realize that himself. So yeah, maybe he found someone kindred like that in Starrk. As for Espada 0, I think he simply couldn't relate due to their clear difference in philosophies and intelligence.
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo has good fight intelligence though. You don't need a massive brain to still be smart. Also, Kisuke Urahara agrees with him, who is top 3 of the smartest individuals in the series. If not smartest.
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo is in the top grades of his class, and he learns things almost instantly. While there are characters more intelligent and knowledgeable than him, he isn't by any means not.
Og starrk: „it sounds like…someone wants to RECRUIT ME“ followed by silence and Aizen behind a rock with gin and tosen saying „See? I told you he was onto us!“
“So…uh…nice…corpse pile…” “Thanks…” “…” “…” “Tosen, this is literally the first thing I’ve done where I didn’t have a monologue prepared. What do I do?”
Stark feels like one of those "secret super bosses" in RPGs where even the end boss is say, level 60 but the super boss is hanging out somewhere random and is level 100
Frankly Starrk being so unbelievably strong (despite his pacifism) actually is cool to hear. Not just because he's my favorite Espada, but it also makes sense. I mean, we know that Quincy (Lille and Askin and such) and Shinigami (Zaraki and Hitsugaya and Aizen and such) can produce prodigies that are *much* stronger and talented than their kind usually has any right to be, so why not Hollows as well? I always found it disappointing that Starrk died before we ever truly got to see him go all-out, nor that we never saw a Segunda Etapa from him.
While that's true the main issue is like you said Starrk is dead. Unlike Askin, Lillie, Zaraki or Histugaya we'll never get to see Starrk truly unleash this kind of power, so really what's the point?
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 The point is that, while Starrk was ultimately wasted potential, it's nice to know at least _how much_ potential we missed out on, if that makes sense.
@@jonathanlarge7647starrk shouldn't be in hell unless he committed some sin in his human life (assuming he had one), he'll just be purified and sent to the soul society. if he died in soul society and still had his super high reiatsu, then they might seal him in hell.
It makes sense tbh. Aizen needed to be cautious of a hollow with omnidirectional attacks and immense spiritual pressure, especially if he didnt have a firm idea of his intentions. Imagine a moment like Shinji vs Bambi Also if his reiatsu was killing hollows with its mere presence Aizen may have been hesitant to bring him to Las Noches where Starkk could potentially kill members of his army with his mere presence. Aizen is quite strong but an overlooked fact is that even with the hogyoku he was aware of certain threats
Aizen: guys, here's our new recruit, the strongest I've seen, welcome out new friend Sta...rk... Why do you drop dead like flies? I thought you were stronger...
Stark would be the one death I'd be cool with Kubo retconning honestly. Like revealing he survived and just went off on his own. For being the Primera, he went out in the lamest way.
His death makes perfect sense with his aspect though, it's totally on-brand for the Espada of Loneliness to die unremarkably and fairly obscured by the other deaths around him, not even standing out on the battlefield he died on despite having had the power to.
But Staark wanted friends/companions. Even if he did decide to just go off alone, it's incredibly unlikely that he'd just stay away from the quincy invasion because of that desire. Sadly, you can't really retcon his death without really making him out to be a coward really? It's still a shame, considering he never went all out, and despite being an enemy, wasn't really a menace to the "good" guys. On the flipside, since Ukitake died, he'd make a great friend for Shunsui, considering how they're both laid back and chill in general.
Starks Secunda Etapa would be his original form maybe!? I think hes capable of reaching it but would never want to go to that place of compleye loneliness again. Unlike Ulquirora who made that opposite choice.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't lilynet still conscious when they fuse again? If so couldn't that imply they still haven't fully become one and that might limit their power from what it once was?
@@emmanuelakande3563the crazy thing is that was only mentioned in the anime. The manga doesn’t mention her disappearing when the wolves are gone. Its more of a mystery to me which is more fitting
@@sound-l34ked45 yeah i personally would like to think starkk does have a second resuaction where he goes back to his og form but doesn’t use it as he would lose lillinete but that’s just headcannon
@@blueberry-kingdomi mean it's tough. He's a bleach channel,and thats his passion. But we're only being drip fed new info/content so there's no a lot to go off of. He should probably branch out a little more
I imagine aizen was monitoring his reiatsu periodically without actually approaching, sensing the risk. When stark split aizen sensed the dip in spiritual pressure and decided to approach. Maybe he could get an idea of his emotional state too through reiatsu.
It almost seems like Aizen sees himself in the past when he approaches Starrk for the first time. Didn't Ichigo theorize Aizen has been so incredibly strong for as long as he knows, not being able to find an equal at all? And that this makes him feel incredibly lonely? Maybe he sees himself in Starrk from back then, viewing that time in his life as the dark days.
Everyone: *training hard to become stronger, developing clever techniques to outsmart enemies and still can't win* Stark: I just want to have some friends *Everything dies in 100 miles radius*
I think the beauty (and tragedy) of Stark is that he matched up so well with Kyoraku. Both laid back pacifists that are stronger than those around them. The beauty is they sound like friends as they fight, showing how they both hold back not for their safety, but for the safety of everyone around them. The tragedy being we don’t see how much Kyoraku was holding back until TYBW, so Stark has been forgotten by many and don’t connect that he was holding back just as much, if not more, that Kyoraku.
Lilynette told Starrk that if he didn't want to lose more friends, then that's all the more reason to be more serious and get the fight over with. He came to realize that he and Shunsui really weren't anything alike in the end. Starrk went all-out for consideration of his comrades. Shunsui had to hold back for consideration of his own comrades as well.
@@D-Havoc Agreed. At first glance they both appear alike, and that's the case in terms of character. But after the fight, you see the differences in the abilities. But they still have likenesses, namely the loneliness aspect. Shunsui imo, knows he's losing his friend (Juushiro) due to his illness and lost his brother as we saw in tybw. So they both have that laid back attitude but that lone-wolf (pun intended) trait.
@@Migitman628 Kyoraku isnt a pacifist bruh he is just lazy asf and fighting is tiring so he just goes for diplomatic solutions. But if it goes down to it, Kyoraku is a beast who disregard any morals and uses whatever tricks he has in his disposal to win
Here's how I see it. If you look at cien granz and his power then starks original power must have been terrifying. After Szayelaporro split himself from his brother he went from the 0 espada to the 8th. While stark split himself and was still powerful enough to be the Primera espada. And it's even more impressive when considering he is a natural arrancar.
A very simple and intelligent view on the situation. I Agree. His power may have also kept growing over time and even sometimes killing his stronger friends whom he hoped could survive.
fans dismissing Starrk's status as the Primera Espada due to his "lackluster" looking abilities just plays, in a very meta way, into his aspect of death: solitude
I feel like what could've made Starrk more of a threat (and Barragan too) to the reader is if Kubo made it so that when Starrk transformed, pretty much everyone on the battlefield had to focus on him and his army of wolves. Wolves that basically can't be cut down without some serious damage. It could then be a game of hide and seek. To where everyone has to run from the army of wolves while Shunsui and Ukitake try to take Starrk down.
@Nevervorago right! Like there is a mist on the battlefield that can literally rot you to ash in seconds and you're only letting 3 people handle it? Barragan, on paper, is a problem that needs immediate attention. Could even make the excuse that Starrk didn't want to steal the spotlight. So he chills out until Barragan gets contained. Then, on top of "hide and seek," there's a team risking their lives by keeping wolves away from the seal that housed Barragan. Wonderweiss was a good trump card. But could've gave the top 3 espada better feats.
Because BLEACH isn't the Dragon Ball Super Tournament of Power arc... Also, a lot of characters were already deeply preoccupied with their own fights or recovering from their wounds.
@D-Havoc True. I agree. But we're talking power scaling here. About how can Starrk SHOW he's the strongest? Explaining it is fine. Seeing ceros firing at a select few people is okay to an extent. An army of wolves looks badass. Us fans can understand the level of power here. Shunsui and Ukitake not using their bankais is completely fine, too cause eventually we know why. But how is it that Starrk owns the #1 over Barragan when we've just SEEN how scary Barragan truly can be if he's not contained. It isn't the T.O.P. But it's still a war. And having nuke-level characters on the field should mean people are gonna get hit in the crossfire in some way. Example: When Genryusai (may have misspelled) used his shikai at any point. Or (*SPOILER* if you havent seen or read it) when he used his bankai in TYBW. EVERYONE felt that shit. And some simply just moved further away to get clear. So even though he's doing a 1v1, we knew visually he's powerful.
Azian, not bothering with starrk before the end of the Soul Society Arc, is pretty much matching his character... He doesn't take fights he isnt sure about or that are too much of a pain in the ass , he is incredibly careful , He did the same in fake arc with Zaraki and Yammato, and you can also see that with Urahara when he says to azian " the old you would have never touched me twice without thinking about it 100s of times "
One of the things I never see people bring up is that Stark was already an Arrancar before meeting Aizen. Any hollows that tried to pull off his mask, like they did with Grand Fisher, would have died. Every other Arrancar and Espada we see in a flashback meets Aizen as a hollow, but Aizen met Stark as an Arrancar without his mask. This implies that Stark broke the barrier and obtained hybrid powers without the Hogyoku. Except instead of putting his Resurreccion into a Zanpakto, he put it into Lilynette.
What I believe is possibly Stark's story is that he was alone, every time his bare reiatsu killed other hollows. With the urge to not be alone again, almost instinctively he ran to the biggest concentration of hollows that he could find, with the hope that this way, his reiatsu could be suppressed, and he could reunite with his kin (maybe the amount of hollows is justified by a very powerful vasto that used to lead them). But when he gathered with the hollows the same thing happened and all of them laid dead because of his immense power. Crying in despair, seeing his last hope dead on piles of bodies, Stark's soul divided itself in two, being able to not being alone anymore.
Starrks perception and ranking being contested isn't a BLEACH issue. It's a readers issue and inability to pick up on aomethjng BLEACH can do well, quiet expressions of strength. They can only grasp a character is strong if they do a giant "fuck all" beam or has lovecraftian cosmic horror abilities. You know, face value things. Very little room for nuiance at assessing characters in BLEACH from the fandom. I always appreciate Kubo giving clarity because sometimes the powers are too abstract or is better conveyed through animation, but I'm never gonna pretend or default to there being no thought put into his own work.
Dude was lackluster all the way until death. How the fuck would we the readers be like, 'oh yea, this dude is the most powerful' after that? Ulquiorra on the other hand, killed Ichigo twice and would've done it a third time if he had more time.
@Man0War_Loki Not the readers story, just theirs to either enjoy or not. The writer created Stark to be the top spot, and apart from the rush job, it's pretty well implied by his performance he was deserving of it. More importantly, citing Ulquiorras performance against a character who BARELY fucking beat 6th espada and almost got iced by the next level up is NOT helping your case. Any captain level fighter with experience could mop Ichigo at that point in the story. Facts backed by how easily Hiyori could toss him around until his hollow appeared. Prior to Ichigo, whom exactly did Ulquiorra square off against to showcase how much of threat he was? Which captains did he beat or kill? Readers barely even no how to acknowledge context. As the OP said, most compare explosions and determine who is more powerful, the rest is lost on them. But Stark fights 4 captain level fighters without breaking a sweat or going all out and "nah, he was weak and lackluster". If you're going debate, at least don't rely on Ulquiorra vs. Ichigo for your basis. This is probably the worst case you can use.
Stark may have also been the worst match up for Aizen. His soul splitting may have essentially negated Aizen's hypnosis entirely. I saw your release but these 100 exploding wolves haven't.
That's not how Kyoka Suigetsu works... People keep treating it as illusion-based powers because of online, unofficial databases categorize it as such. It's a complete hypnosis. Starrk has no better match up against it than Barragan or Yamamoto.
Barragan honestly appeared weak to me. Sure, Respira is scary. But what did he actually achieve? He took Soifons arm. He failed to kill Omadea, like it was Tom and Jerry. He broke some Kido. He ate Soifons Bankai. Twice. He gave Hachi the tool to defeat him. Stark _barely_ lost a 3v1, taking out 2 captains. Barragan didn't even take out a vice captain. Whose name was Omaeda. Ichigo one-punched Omaeda!
I feel like Aizen may or may not still have been stronger than his original form. But aside from that, he has just always been a cool calm and collective type even when facing an opponent weaker than him
He definitey feared going up against Yamamoto without a trick up his sleeve. For Starrk, it was probably concern that the hollow wouldn't go along with him, since he's not easy to manipulate.
I agree me and my brother always said lord aizen preferred to fight /not fight certain people but he didn’t fear anyone not even yamma he just knew he couldn’t beat him hand to hand so he created wonderwiess but notice there is no fear in aizens soul
You're correct. Whoever says Aizen feared doesn't understand his character at all. The entire character of Aizen relies on him lacking two qualities, fear and despair. Aizen wouldn't be Aizen if he had any fear or despair.
I think vasto lord starkk would constantly divide his soul killing everyone around him and his soul pieces would eat hollows then fuse back to him making him that strong
Im glad fans still care abt Starrk enough to ask Kubo questions like this, thats why hes the goat and proof that he was deserving of number 1. Now someone just needs to ask kubo if Aizen truly did know abt SE Ulquiorra/Where SE Ulquiorra ranks among the other espada. Like does he surpass Harribel? Abive Barragan now? Otherwise the debate will go on forever lmao
not gona argue for stark or baragan..but harribel was weak..and kinda a letdown...i wish she was stronger and had more abilitys. she was the only current female espada and deserved better....it din't help that aizen got so bored he desided to try to finish her off himself...mind you she survived and was the only espada beside grimjow to live on....maybe we will see her on shark tank XD
Harribel is actually quite strong she fought toshiro was basically destroying him and then when she was seemingly defeated she came back without even a single injury then she fights two visords plus toshiro again not being hurt. Aizen decided to finish her off because he no longer had any use for her the espada had served their purpose
@@genius3121 This. She gets downplayed but she fought 3 captain class shinigami (with 2 of them being Visored and one of them being an actual Captain) simultaneously. Also unlike with Espada 1 and 2, without Aizen team killing her, she seemingly would have fought against those 3 likely until her victory. After his substitution jutsu, Toshiro used his "other" ace in the hole, and as you said she got out completely unscathed (I also dont believe wonderweiss's voice has the power to shatter ice, so imo this is her feat) and Toshiro said himself he was pretty much out of energy and options, and it seemed they couldnt land a definitive blow on her. Her battle vs Lisa and Hiyori is mostly off-screen though, unlike Stark and Barragan's battles against their opposing captain class enemies being on-screen for longer periods
@@GinKaza Nobody is downplaying her, it's just that her display is really not that impressive. Lisa and Hiyori (and all visored except Shinji, to be honest) are featless and have 0 meaningful wins among them throughout the entire series. Based on Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight, Harribel should've been able to curbstomp Hitsugaya no problem, because there is absolutely no way Toshiro is stronger than Ichigo at that point... but she kinda struggled instead.
@@thelastgalvanizer Exactly this, Soul Society Ichigo fought against a cap that defeated 2 captns, then defeated the Byakuya who is absolutely above Toshiro, all this without even mastering his hollow powers. Ulquiorra destroyed that with no issue, even in his 1st form. Harribel vs Hitsugaya just doesnt make much sense, even with this new info I doubt that it changes the fact that Yammy is stronger than Starrk and Ulquiorra is probably stronger than both.
Mixing shots would have been a fun scene. Cutting off movement with cero, and sniping with an offhand Oscuras AP round. Maybe a Bala shotgun as well, chain blasting a massive simultaneous spread at near ftl, the only visual effect being a visual distortion and unmitigated destruction at the destination
Although there's a lot I like about what the anime added to the espada, I definitely think Starkk got the short end of the deal. The idea that Starkk's wolves could be permanently lost, to the point he couldn't even hear Lilinette anymore, severely nerfed Starkk in the eyes of many, myself included. It seems from all other sources that his energy is effectively infinite, like an android in Dragon Ball or something, and that would certainly be worthy of the primera position, but in the anime's telling the impression is that Starkk takes a major risk splitting his soul for frankly little gain when it ultimately only causes some bruises on his foes. There is a significant difference between "he fires a lot of cero and can make a lot of exploding wolves", versus "he can fire cero and split his soul and *never* stop".
It really does change a lot about the character. The anime gives the impression that Lillinette is extremely concerned about losing, and that Starrk can actually kill one of his personalities with the attack. The manga reads as him being calm and collected the whole time, and the only interjecting Lillinette does is his internal monologue of "Aren't you pissed that Barragan died?" - "Kinda, but it is what it is".
I think complete history on each realm would do the main series a lot of justice since we're lacking a lot of world building. If Kubo is ever interested in writing Spin-offs/letting other people he trusts write Spin-offs, I hope we get in depth lore to Hueco Mundo and the Hollow lifespan as well as some sprinkles of fan service with seeing all the Espada in their Vasto Lorde forms. A good little 12-24 episode series showing off Aizen's journey in recruiting all the Espada would be awesome.
I was standing on my pedestal with my friends preaching how, if anyone was close to an equal to Aizen it was Stark, and then we get this bombshell. Absolutely incredible. I call things time after time, and the comments call me crazy sometimes. But it is what is.
i dont think they lost too much power after spliting. Just bc when aizen appears starrk sad "you seem like you could be around US without getting killed" whitch leads me to think that normal hollows still did die after they splitt. but i could be wrong and after splitting there were not much time for that before aizen arrived.
I still don't fully understand how lillynette was unalived. Like why did Bushogoma stop her/them but Rose's Izayoi Bara didn't? If Stark could divide near infinitely, why did Bushogoma work on the wolves?
It was just bad anime filler. Didn't happen in the manga and directly contradicts Starrk saying the wolves are BOTH Starrk and Lilinette, that it's the Primera's power to do so.
If neither were the right answer then he would've just said so. I find it weird that whenever something is confirmed by an author that isn't directly stated in the series people will challenge it as if the rest of the evidence for their claim dont come from the same person.
@@doublea4012 And bleach fans like to pretend that the author had planned everything from the start. Yeah Kubo made a lot of mistakes, like why doesn't Yamamoto have 1v1 aizen regularly with his bankai? Why doesn't Shunsui have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why doesn't Kisuke have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why didn't Kisuke literally help the captains heal and beat aizen? 1 Yamamoto: Yamamoto's flames are of such magnitude that they could engulf entire battlefields, regardless of Aizen's sensory illusions. As an AOE attack, Ryūjin Jakka could overwhelm Aizen, even under the effect of his Shikai Kyoka Suigetsu, because Yamamoto wouldn't need to aim precisely to reach him. And let's not even talk about his Bankai. 2 Shunsui: While Aizen uses Kyoka Suigetsu to manipulate sensory perceptions, Shunsui's Bankai doesn't rely on vision or the senses to be effective. He directly affects his environment, and the rules of tragedy he imposes are unavoidable as long as you're within his Bankai's area of effect. This means that Aizen would always be affected by the different phases of Bankai, regardless of his illusions. 3 Kisuké: Kisuke's Bankai, Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, is incredibly powerful and could reshape matter itself, including bodies. This means that he could effectively counter almost any damage or alteration he or others would suffer in combat. He has the ability to restore or modify his own body, and his techniques could probably have put Aizen in great difficulty, especially before the fusion with the Hogyoku. If Kisuke, with his Bankai Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, completely remodels the physical structure of the eyes, changing the position of the atoms or altering the physical components of the eyes (or even the brain that processes sight), there's a good chance that these eyes will no longer be the same as those Aizen initially “hypnotized” with his Shikai.
Here is a curious thought. With Starrks ability to split his soul, can we ever be sure that the form before Starrk is OG Starrk and not a previous split? How many times could he of split before. . . That would be terrifying
There are context clues that imply it is the first and only time Staark did that specific type of split. If he did it before, there would be more of his assistants.
18:00 I think what the questioner was saying by "waited for everything to settle down" was just waiting until he had consolidated his power, and was closer to becoming a more transcendent being by the hōgyoku.
Anything Kubo says at this point is just hollow (pun intended). If Kubo really wants to live up to his words then he would need to somehow revive Stark & give him his due place as Primera. Really though, Kubo should’ve made the top 3 Espadas have 2nd Resurrecion. It’s honestly ridiculous that Ulquorria was the only one to have it. And in doing so all 3 came off looking way weaker than him, especially when the other’s abilities are so simple & lackluster in comparison.
It suits Ulquiorra to have it, maybe Halibel too, but I can see Baragan be too prideful to develop another resurrection form and Starkk just wouldn't bother.
In other words, Kubo needs to validate fan theories and expectations instead of fans putting thought into the answers he gives and referring to his material with a new perspective from his answers. Gotcha.
I totally believe Starrk is more powerful. I like his character very much. But he was utilized and showcased terribly, and his powers...were unimaginative and unevocative, especially given his compelling backstory. Barragan was styled like a stereotypical Lich, and he was taken down by a character that most fans of the series wouldn't look twice at - Hachi. And yet that story and that fight were legendary. Hachi and Soi Fon were an unlikely but dynamic pair, the way Hachi and her defeated Barragan took ingenuity and the use of an understandable mechanic, and it all just worked. Meanwhile Starrk's and Lilynette's fight was hard to follow and ended anticlimatically, and was just dull. So of course Barragan is remembered more fondly, and Starrk remembered with reproach and disappointment.
Kubo should start giving more info about Gremmy and his power scaling. I think he just loves to dodge and ignore power scaling questions and loves seeing the world burn.
I‘m glad this Starrk vs Barragan debate is over. Even though it’s still a shame that Starrk had so little presence in the main story. As he is the most unlikely to return in the hell arc.
@@0eyesIf you don’t remember, so long as the spiritual pressure is high enough, they will always go to Hell when they die. That “high enough” is captain grade or higher, so he should technically be in Hell, it’s just a question of if we see him in the case that the Hell arc comes.
Baraggan: Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one! Starrk: I don't wanna be a- Baraggan: PRESENTATION!!! 'My Name is Murder' by Brendon Small starts sounding in the background.
Aizen being wary of Starrk just means he‘s high tier Captain level. He‘s on the same tier of power like Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake. Strong enough to be kept at arms length.
Aizen knew how to manipulate Stark. That's why he came to him by himself. To help reinforce in Stark's mind the thought that this person understands me. What better way to approach a loner than alone.
16:30 I think Aizen was just changing his approach to best fit the Hollow he wanted to recruit. Aizen wasn’t scared of Stark. He even recruited him alone instead of bringing Gin and Kaname. Aizen is a master manipulator and will do what is necessary to get someone on his side.
How is it wrong? I agree with this. Aizen is on a massive massive level, way above the espada, he himself said he thought the Vasto lordes would have a similar level of power to his own but they didn't. Aizen also showed up and saved halibel and her fraccion showing up in a completely different way to recruit halibel. Tommo is a good youtuber but come on man, Aizen is way above all espada and Vasto lordes, Kubo made him this way for a reason.@@felipesantos-er4kk
The thing I love about the battle against Shunsui was they were both playing the long game, constantly testing who is holding back the most. It was a huge mind game until Starrk had to get serious, Shunsui really is a sneaky menace. The colour game takedown to this day *chefs kiss*.
Aizen probably approached Starrk differently because he saw Starrk as a very relatable being. Both of them have no equals in terms of strength and were alone. Though this just opens more questions than answers lol. So was Starrk an ancient hollow like Barragan given his strength? Starrk doesn't look that old. Barragan could easily have been the most powerful but he seemed to have gotten relaxed and arrogant in his pursuit.
tbqh, Shinigamis already had incredibly delayed aging and we never had confirmation that hollows themselves aged. As far as we know they just look like they used to look when they were alive forever. And then there's the whole entire thing that Gillians actually become new beings with a brand new personality after they consume so many souls, and we don't know exactly how that one new face or personality is born..
Stark has always been one of my favorite characters in Bleach, my favorite Espada for sure. I wish we got to see his true form, and now after this reveal by Kubo I wish we saw it even more.
Starrk should have been amazing. EVERYONE can identify with loneliness. Kubo dropped the ball on him more than any other character. Shunsui shouldn't have been able to kill Starrk. At all. Not without his bankai. Yes, I'm salty about it.
Kubo didn't drop the ball... Tired of people blaming Kubo because they're used to Dragon Ball power level gloating on the battlefield. People dropped the ball at reading and understanding BLEACH and its characters.
@bryce2588 He died against the future captain commander. No, he didn't drop the ball. Stark just isn't that strong. Let it go. Shunsui was able to fight a buffed-up SS member with just shikai. Stark got killed by one of the strongest shinigami at the time, the same shinigami who can fight almost evenly with Yamamoto, someone who towers over Stark in power. Just because you all can't read doesn't mean Kubo fumbled with Stark.
This detail really feels kind of like a waste frankly. Even if this is true, what difference does it make. Starrk is dead and even when he and Lilinette united still didn't reveal the power that Kubo is claiming they used to have. Unless he's planning to either reveal Starrk is still alive or he will return in the Hell Arc with all his power restored, this feels like Too Little Too Late. Really they should've had Starrk show this power in the Fake Karakura Town Arc, likely with him also having a Segunda Etapa where his power becomes such that he truly lives up to his reputation.
Proto Stark must have been extremely potent and intoxicating. It literally was very strong and probably very likeable, perhaps too irresistible…. I get the sense that individual had many friends that they hoped would be able to continue their journey but only for a short time…
There are two things I needs to know about bleach before I die. What is Aizen’s bankai? And where does Ulquiorra’s segunda etapa stand on the totem pole?
I feel like Aizen respected and felt a sort of connection with Starrk, maybe even as close as Aizen can get to genuinely liking someone. They're both individuals who were alone due to their sheer strength, they just dealt with it differently. Aizen developed a superiority complex and Starrk basically made another person who could survive his presence. It's definitely worth remembering that Aizen only turned on Harribel and declared the Espada failures after Starrk died, not after Barragan did.
My head cannon was that starrk was originally closer to a god among weaker hollows or as ancient as barragon. I imagined his power was similar to yami in the sense his power originally absorbed life/spiritual energy from other nearby hollows. The friends he lost were probably being absorbed into him passively eventually becoming a part of him. Los lobos is his soul being split but his soul is an amalgamation of the hollows that died long ago. His original form is probably a distant memory of a wolf roaming on the hunt with its pack. At some point the loneliness was so great part of those hollows that became his soul split to be his friend again. So instead of a great giant wolf his power became his pack. Something akin to van hohenheim’s philosopher’s stone in full metal alchemist. All of the parts of him we see are stories of the whole.
As much as I love starrk & I find this answer to be quite fascinating I do think some fans are kind of jumping the shark a little bit and saying things like starrk is more powerful than Aizen.
Of course they are. This fanbase has been making excuses for Starrk from the very beginning. Either unable to accept that he actually isn't the strongest Espada (Yammy), or not the most important (Ulquiorra meant to face "Vasto Lorde" Ichigo).
@@dunebuggy1292yammy is not the strongest espada, hes weaker than most of them and is unironically weaker than zomari. Feats go against him being the strongest.
Exactly. While Aizen comfortably low diffs the espada, he probably mid diffs Stark. But the only thing i like about Kubo’s answer is that it cements that Stark was hella OP, definitely was Primera
@@doncinati7644 well remember aizen also said that he never expected that the power of all the spotted would be inferior to his own. How I interpreted this is Stark was powerful enough to wear like you said you wouldn't be able to just effortlessly defeat Stark it would have required a little bit extra effort but the results would ultimately be the same. Because we know up until Ichigo comes into the picture he low difficulties pretty much everybody
An interesting discussion brought forth in the video. Some really good and thought out points. I believe Stark as a character played an archetype that is sometimes seen in media and almost always has the same traits; the hermit. Such a character is usually absurdly powerful, but lonely -- emphasizing the strength gained from solitude, just as it can happen in real life after enduring hardships with nobody to lean on. I believe he is hard to read because these people, after suffering become distant and un-phased by many issues which would plague a 'normal' person. As mentioned above this concept is not new to media, and I will give 3 very different examples that I think of whenever Stark comes to mind: Kidred from the League of Legends game -- Basically the sentient personification of Death in that universe, it is also plagued by loneliness and because of its immense power over life, all creatures want to stay away. Thus, Death ends up splitting himself in two, just like Stark, so that he might have a friend. Another example is the dragon dubbed 'The Cannibal' from the Game of Thrones series -- and this references Aizen's hesitation to deal with Stark until he had all of Hueco Mundo under his thrall. In the books, the Cannibal is believed to be this immense, monstrous dragon which rivals Balerion the Black in strength, yet, despite needing said strength, nobody dares search for it or tame it in times of turmoil because they are more afraid of its power. Once more bringing into point the idea that this archetype is usually by itself and feared. In the movie Rambo 4, the traits I mentioned above are once more clearly emphasized -- loneliness , power, experience. In said movie the archetype is used on the side of 'good', as he is enlisted to escort the main group through dangerous territory, giving him ample opportunities to display his strength, despite being surrounded by dangerous characters in their own right. All in all, this archetype is always fascinating and mysterious because a good writer will have them see the world in a different way than the 'heroes' or 'enemies', depending on what faction they are a part of. Case an point, amongst the Espada, who are all bloodthirsty to some extent, Stark is a very chill guy who actually doesn't want to fight. Their mystery comes from said view-point, which see them switching sides, morally questioning the opposing team in a way not encountered before or keeping the audience in suspense with what they will do next. To conclude, I agree fully with what you said in the beginning of the video regarding Kubo's missed opportunity to actually present Start as the most threatening thing on the battlefield in that arc. The two Visored captains should have died to emphasize his power, as well as Kyoraku and Shunsui (or at least one of them) being forced into bankai during their fight. In many ways, it felt rushed, and ultimately its strange that out of all the characters that could be saved, Kubo chose to kill Stark off, instead of having him return on the side of good as with some of the Espada in the TYBW. Great video, again. Keep up the good work o/
@DuBstep115 People make up false things and say they were "stated" in KlubOutside or the novels without any context. It was never stated that Aizen had difficulty controlling Starrk. That's fandon theories.
16:55 For me don't seems like Aizen don't want to step in someone toes, it just seem like that way of acting, was the best approach for having Stark as another Espada, an he just did that to manipulate him, as when Starkk dies, he says that he couldn't repay Aizen did for him (let him have friends), so again, probably Aizen just acted this way, to maipulate Starkk in to him beliving and siding with Aizen a little more. Baraggan had a way different personality than Starrk, so Aizen had to "talk" to him in a different way
Honesty, Starrk should have neen given the chance to go all out and make everyone in the battlefield a target. Let him make it rain Ceros as everyone of the Soul Reapers have to dodge or team up to survive it. Maybe only if Barragan and Harribel are down for drama, but make it where he is able to threaten everyone present by simply flexing.
He did go all-out. It only doesn't seem that way because people ironically are downplaying Shunsui at the same time and not thinking Shunsui was simply that strong. And they don't think Shunsui was that strong because he didn't use Bankai. Bankai is a trump card, as Shunsui puts it. It's not a super saiyan transformation. It's not always a slam dunk win or even viable in every situation to use, and Shunsui's Bankai isn't bestowing him any enhanced combat prowess like speed or power either.
"Out of all Espada only i have achieved a second stage release. I haven't let Lord Aizen see me in this state yet" Don't wanna be that guy but i think that statement alone makes it pretty enough clear who truly the strongest Hollow was. Even by the simple fact he was chosen as the main villian for Ichigo to unleash his Vasto Lorde form against already should speak as a confirmation. Also him being the only Hollow in the series to have found his "soul/heart" again all should tell us that he was the "main Hollow villian" Come on, I mean dude was literally named after Lucifer lol Which other Espada we know or heard about had a second release??... Ofcourse he was the strongest.
@@livingashtree1942 bro what are you talking about. Ulquiorra was created for the soul purpose of bringing Ichigo to his limit. Ichigo Vasto Lorde form washed ulquiorra in his 2nd release. He even said there are 3 Espada above him. Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn’t know about Ulquiorra 2nd release. Barragan was literally the king oh HM, he literally was the strongest hollow, yet Aizen put him at 2. Because stark is the strongest & has ultimate power. He just was lazy & didn’t get enough screen time
@@rmaxime92 "Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn't know about Ulquiorra second release" -- You got any proof? Listen my guy, there's a reason why the writer explicitly made Ulquiorra state "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" while him being ranked as number 4. It's not rocket science. It was supposed to put Ichigo who was already being outmatched in a situation of TOTAL despair by realizing he's facing a opponent of a level of power he couldn't even begin to fathom, making the main character idealistically fold and resort to the bottom of this abysmal power he has inside of himself ALL in order to save his friends and obtain victory-- masterful writing👌 There are only two possible explanations: 1) Either Aizen truly didn't know about Ulquiorra's second release as Ulquiorra himself explicitly stated and by so he revealed himself to actually being the strongest Espada 2) Aizen already knowing about the second release and him letting Ulquiorra purposely stay behind in Hueco Mundo for that exact reason knowing that only he could push Ichigo(his test subject) to his absolute limit before finally facing him himself. Hallibel, Barragan and Stark were the "strongest" Hollow on a surface level but as Ulquiorra himself revealed and stated "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" making it clear that on a deeper level he's actually the strongest. it's not rocket science bro, follow the plot... By your logic Yammy is technically the strongest Hollow which we ALL know to not being true. Lol Again i ask, what other Espada have we been shown or heard about to having a Second Release?? If Stark and Barragan or Yammy etc truly were the "strongest" trust me, it wouldve been made VERY clear they are by making them also possess a second release one that would outshine Ulquiorra's. The fact is simple, Ulquiorra with that statement and transformation alone COMPLETELTY outshined his competitors(being the Espada) as being the STRONGEST.
I love the love for Stark. I think Aizen had seen something special in him from the beginning. I think he had high hopes, and was actually upset he was defeated. I mean he did not interfere until Stark was defeated.
Saying aizen 'feared' is exaggerating. Espada are arrancars at their prime. And Aizen literally said that their powers combined are weaker than him. The same base aizen went on to toy with the gotei 13 which the espadas struggled with.
Fear is not a switch between 0 and 1. There are degrees of fear. So even Aizen feeling since of fear and uncertainty against strong opponents like Yammato and Staark is reasonable. How he deals with fear is more important than if he feels fear. Aizen prepares.
It's funny to me Aizen saying something is somehow proof. The guy admits to lying like a dozen times and multiple other characters even point out he lies. Ichigo has a whole conversation with him in Fake Karakuea about how what he says contradics what he said before and Aizen just outright says he could just have been lying back then. But yeah sure, Aizen said something so clearly he was being honest this time.
Starrk, forever the character requiring mental gymnastics of "not being serious" or whatever, amounting to relatively little even in his most powerful move.
When Shunsui quizes Starrk on whenther his guns can fire something other than Ceros it's not necessarily because he really believed he was lying, he playing one of his Shikai games "Yubikiri". If Starrk had lied then his fingers would've been immobilized, making it impossible for him to fire his guns. "If either of them lied to each other, first, the liar’s fingers would stop moving. At the second lie, all the bones in the liar’s body would become incapacitated as though a fist had crushed them, and at the third lie, the liar would be assaulted with an intense pain as though their entrails were being pierced by needles from the inside out."
Couldn't it just be that barragan, arguably the oldest Vasto Lorde hollow maybe the oldest hollow, just has better control of his reiatsu. Unless we think that stark is V2 hogyoku aizen level he most likely just lacked control. It wouldn't do much for barragan to kill his subjects. Aizen didn't have confidence that he could overpower barragan. It's why he immediately used kyoku suigetsu. I don't think barragan gained much power from aizen. Since ressurcion was literally his original form. Everyone else looked different he was exactly the same. He couldn't do a thing because of kyoka suigetsu. In combat even if we assume stark has just more reiatsu it won't be by much if he was on equal footing to ikomikidimoe whose death alone would've caused an imbalance in the universe. This was before his name was stripped away. Barragan also had experience fighting other Vasto Lorde. Harribel had come in contact with barragan and she almost died to a hollow buffed by aizen however I doubt barragan would've struggled at all Since the hollow didn't even attempt to overthrow barragan.
Here's the thing: Barragan was a Red Herring. He was being bombastic and extreme with everything he did to make the reader think he's Number One. Starrk is a subversion of this. Narratively, it makes more sense for him to be Number One than Barragan.
@@HOLDENPOPE how does that prove anything. Barragan has more proof of being extremely powerful. It just seems stark lacked control of his reiastu back then. He fused with Linette to become one soul and wasn't causing any problems. He changed tho. Barragan stayed the same. Hell aizen even noted that barragan already had a weapon. He was more advanced than he was given credit for.
Aizen put even vice captains under Kyoka Suigetsu, that doesn't mean much. Aizen was literally one shotting captains that the top 3 espadas were struggling to beat 1v1, Barragan was far below Aizen in raw power
@@ThePipojp the fact they were under kyoka suigetsu means that they were naturally off guard. Hachi was the one weakness barragan had. Also see how the first thing he did to barragan was placed him under KS. I'm not saying he's not more powerful but barragan isn't a slouch. If it was for KS. The battle would be something to watch. Barragan's biggest weakness was his own arrogance. We see how fast he is yet once he activates his abilities then he literally never moves. If he just fought as a real assailant even hachi would've lost.
This doesn't really make sense, he states it's 2 then states a speculation on starks charm is being difficult to read almost as if thats why aizen didn't approach him before. Kubo needs to clarify better and the question proposed was set up awfully. This really doesn't sound like kubo read through his question well because it's almost implying aizen feared starrk but then states its because he's difficult to read. Is there a possible translation error? Regarding power, ressurected starrk would be above original form starrk which means he can't be close to aizens level at all. Original starrk split into two, if he halved his power then his original form would be 2x that of base current starrk or the starrk at the time of the split, you could argue he gave more power to lilynette like say 90% making her stronger than him but that would make no sense as shes extemely weak. So in no instance should aizen be below any form of starrk because aizen solo'd all the captains and starrk struggled with love, rose and lost to shunsui.
It could just be both. Starrk was strong enough to be a possible obstacle and his personality wouldn't allow Aizen to manipulate him like other hollows. So Aizen was wary.
@@Caidezes possible and wary makes more sense but kubo states “I think starks charm is that he’s a guy who’s difficult to read” as a response to why aizen didn’t recruit original form stark. Atleast that’s how I read it. Even for aizen to be wary it wouldn’t make sense since aizen is so far above stark in power, this is why I think kubo is stating it’s just because he’s difficult to read so I don’t think aizen considered starks original power any threat to him. I wish kubo would have clarified or a better phrased question was asked.
I read it more as Aizen viewed Stark as a person of interest. It's possible original Stark's power was greater than Aizen's prior to Aizen obtaining the Hogyoku, but Stark was at least strong enough that Aizen needed to be cautious. Stark being difficult to read makes him difficult to manipulate, and a being of Stark's power could have thrown a wrench in Aizen's plans if Stark chose to stand against him. His different approach to Stark reinforces that he needed to be more delicate. It may be better to consider Stark as the hollow equivalent of Yamamoto in that Aizen in his earlier stages could not have stood up to him in a fair fight. Aizen is arrogant, but also intelligent and meticulous. He would not let his arrogance jeopardize his plan. In short, Aizen likely didn't fear Stark as much as recognized his potential and needed to follow a specific course to account for the threat Stark could represent if left as a factor outside of his control.
2 Disclaimers: love your contact, and I love Stark's design. with that being said Stark is presented to us "lacking" let alone not number 1. He simply does not show any superior power ( he's Ceros although powerful never hit so pretty much useless ) or achievements. he didn't make any captain use their Bankai, and the only ones he actually beat is the two weakest captains. I know some wouldn't agree with me but that's that.
Ive always said starkk beats barragan. Soi fon proved that his respira isnt all powerful and it isnt instant with her bankai. Its not hard to imagine starkks ceros or his lobos bombs would be able to get through his respira. Hell even ulquiorra could beat barragan Edit: so that I don't keep getting these replies, segunda etapa ulquiorra is the strongest espada. Yes he beats starkk and barragan. In terms of his first release, he doesn't.
i think ulquiorra would beat them both, theres a reason he isn't ranked in 2nd release and bodies bankai masked ichigo in 1st release who in just half bankai is captain level. And his feats alone are far superior to every espada.
It's nice to have Kubo confirm my suspicions. I've always thought Starrk stronger than the others due to the soul splitting and that the only other one we've seen do it is Zaraki. But to finally have my little head theories told "you were on the right track" and have my favorite Espada gain recognition again is wonderful
I don’t think kubo meant that he really feared starrk. I think it’s more in the sense of aizen saw him as a threat that could he problematic to what aizen wanted.
@@cameronwashington53 I think it’s more of how aizen “feared” Yamamoto. He knew starrk could be a big issue for him so much that he knew if he didn’t deal with it, it could be an issue.
@@kuraiokami2301 I think it had to do more with Stark’s personality a lot more than his power. I think that both his original power and Baregan were weaker than Aizen, but they’re two different personalities just meant that Aizen developed two different ways of dealing with them.
I always thought it would be cool if Aizen found the original form of stark and he convinces the primera Espada to join him. Then he splits off Lilinette and Stark as part of his soul (Like stark does to make wolves) to help Aizen. Meaning his true form still exist in hueco mundo. just a fun fan theory.
I honestly don't see Aizen being scared if starrk with how much plotting and planning this man did since the soul society was basically started, I mean he fooled the entire 13 court squad and even Yamamoto, like Noone knew the depths of this man's plans, you can't show Aizen doing all this plotting having him make barragon bow to him and have aizen lead the espadas then take out Yamamotos zanpakto then yrs later go :oh aizen feared starrk.. huh?! Nah fam Kubo is tripping.
@@nahte123456 ye like RIP Akira Toriyama one time jiren is the strongest and another time Broly and aster week no wait Black friza but he still dont have any chance vs Beerus (70% of ssj god)xD
nah Barragan simps are tripping. The Q&A didn't say he was scared of Stark, but he was apprehensive about approaching him until he subjugated the Hogyoku. Which just means he's a potential problem, which is true.
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So...barely a week or so after my video on whether Baraggan deserved to be the Primera Espada, Kubo drops this information on us. So, what do you think? How powerful really was Starrk's original form, and what does it mean for his present day iteration? Let me know - thanks everyone!
lol Last video I said Reatsu wins every time and people were arguing not, now go argue with KUBO. LMFAO
Your thumbnail is very disingenuous, Regarding power, ressurected starrk would be above base original form starrk which means he can't be close to aizens level at all.
Original starrk split into two, if he halved his power then his original form would be maximum 2x greater than base current starrk (hogyoku amp) or starrk when he split (pre hogyoku amp), you could argue he gave more power to lilynette like say 90% making her stronger than starrk but that would make no sense as shes extemely weak and its also not likely a 50-50 split. So in no instance should aizen be below any form of starrk or fear him as original starrk at most in ressurection would only be abit stronger to 2x stronger(MAX) than split ressurected starrk. And ressurected starrk struggled with love and rose and then lost to shunsui. Aizen destroyed all the captains, so aizen should have no reason to fear him.
It seems like kubo contradicted the question by saying he thinks it's because starrks charm is being hard to read as if thats why aizen didn't recruit starrk in his original form, not to do with power.
I'm under the impression, that Stark and the Espada are in the Image of Dead shinigami and came from Shinig
So if Kubo is saying that Starrk's power would be difficult to deal with, then he's either contradicting or retconning what he had Aizen say in ch.376 pg.1, where he states that his power exceeds all of the Espadas. If his power exceeds all of them then how is he finding it difficult to deal with Starrk?🤔🤯
I always liked the idea that Starrk is basically a Hallow mirror to Zaraki.
Someone so overwhelmingly strong it isolated them from the rest of the world to the point they physically manifested their own companion. Both manifestations subconsciously took the form of a little sister/daughter to give them something to want to protect.
Aizen being wary of someone or something because of their power really says something. Starrk was definitely a powerful being but his personality was not up for it. Between just wanting friends and even morally opposing killing he was better suited to be with Ichigo and company.
i wanted for him to become a trio with kyoraku and shunsui so badly... it's a shame that he died.
I mean Aizen's spiritual pressure/energy specifically was stated to be about double or more of a normal Captain, and I know it's not necessarily a particularly "good" comparison but Stark was not even trying while fighting 3 captains at one point and they couldn't put a finger on him
He was insanely strong, he was just literally too lazy to use it
@@thestarryeyedobservermaybe in Hell arc Stark would team up with Kyoraku to defeat corrupted Ukitake
@@thestarryeyedobserver kyoraku and shunsui 😭🙏🏾
no it doesnt aizen literally said the same thing about renji in ss arc and no diffed him bare hands
"I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark....☠️"
Hundreds of unnamed hollows probably.
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Nailed it!
Oh my god, it probably really felt like that to him when it happened, too! Curse you for making his story even more painful to imagine! 😭
Finally Kubo chose a good question to answer instead of "what's this character favourite food"
But what's Starrk's favourite food?
@@SeiyaTempest Quatro Formaggj Pizza, I know because I was in Fake Karakura Town
Banchai
@@SeiyaTempestpineapple Pizza
I for one love those questions
@@SeiyaTempest XD
It was his number Mr. Aizen! He was number 1!
Shining bright for everyone!
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wow aizen you are literally right
I always interpreted Aizen in that scene deciding to forgo the bravado because he had found a kindred spirit, or at least the closest to, in suffering in solitude due to being anomalously powerful. This adds to that with the fact that he was wary of what Starrk to do
Yeah, since a few comments by Ichigo and HatnClogs suggests Aizen is just lonely at the top due to his strength. He wanted someone who could understand him, even if he didn't fully realize that himself. So yeah, maybe he found someone kindred like that in Starrk. As for Espada 0, I think he simply couldn't relate due to their clear difference in philosophies and intelligence.
Ichigo also not so smart and intelligence @@RuneKatashima
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo has good fight intelligence though. You don't need a massive brain to still be smart. Also, Kisuke Urahara agrees with him, who is top 3 of the smartest individuals in the series. If not smartest.
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo is in the top grades of his class, and he learns things almost instantly. While there are characters more intelligent and knowledgeable than him, he isn't by any means not.
The notion of Aizen being afraid of something is comical.
Like he’s nervously looking around a rock at original Starrk.
LMAO the thought of aizen cowering behind a rock is way too funny
Og starrk: „it sounds like…someone wants to RECRUIT ME“ followed by silence and Aizen behind a rock with gin and tosen saying „See? I told you he was onto us!“
“So…uh…nice…corpse pile…”
“Thanks…”
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“Tosen, this is literally the first thing I’ve done where I didn’t have a monologue prepared. What do I do?”
Stark feels like one of those "secret super bosses" in RPGs where even the end boss is say, level 60 but the super boss is hanging out somewhere random and is level 100
I'd take Kubo's answers in the Q&A with a grain of salt.
Frankly Starrk being so unbelievably strong (despite his pacifism) actually is cool to hear. Not just because he's my favorite Espada, but it also makes sense. I mean, we know that Quincy (Lille and Askin and such) and Shinigami (Zaraki and Hitsugaya and Aizen and such) can produce prodigies that are *much* stronger and talented than their kind usually has any right to be, so why not Hollows as well? I always found it disappointing that Starrk died before we ever truly got to see him go all-out, nor that we never saw a Segunda Etapa from him.
While that's true the main issue is like you said Starrk is dead. Unlike Askin, Lillie, Zaraki or Histugaya we'll never get to see Starrk truly unleash this kind of power, so really what's the point?
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 The point is that, while Starrk was ultimately wasted potential, it's nice to know at least _how much_ potential we missed out on, if that makes sense.
Nah starrk will comeback in hell arc
@@jonathanlarge7647im taking that and running for the hills
@@jonathanlarge7647starrk shouldn't be in hell unless he committed some sin in his human life (assuming he had one), he'll just be purified and sent to the soul society. if he died in soul society and still had his super high reiatsu, then they might seal him in hell.
Stark always felt like number one
Shining bright for everyone
Living out his fantasy
The brightest star for all to see
The problem is if he wanted to see some action, he should have to be the center of attraction.
Aizen: Rising one finger
@@MrDarkWind *shun-sui playing a game of tag
Weak ass stark
It makes sense tbh. Aizen needed to be cautious of a hollow with omnidirectional attacks and immense spiritual pressure, especially if he didnt have a firm idea of his intentions. Imagine a moment like Shinji vs Bambi
Also if his reiatsu was killing hollows with its mere presence Aizen may have been hesitant to bring him to Las Noches where Starkk could potentially kill members of his army with his mere presence.
Aizen is quite strong but an overlooked fact is that even with the hogyoku he was aware of certain threats
Aizen: guys, here's our new recruit, the strongest I've seen, welcome out new friend Sta...rk... Why do you drop dead like flies? I thought you were stronger...
Starrk isnt a threat to aizen, cmon now.
@@eluclidhe was
@@mandalorianhunter1 no he wasn't lmao
@@eluclid i know you aren't smart but why come to a video and not listen?
Stark would be the one death I'd be cool with Kubo retconning honestly. Like revealing he survived and just went off on his own. For being the Primera, he went out in the lamest way.
Just "One of the Wolves escaped, and it just regenerated into Starrk once more."
His death makes perfect sense with his aspect though, it's totally on-brand for the Espada of Loneliness to die unremarkably and fairly obscured by the other deaths around him, not even standing out on the battlefield he died on despite having had the power to.
would be easy to justify too. His wound was no worse than Hallibels after all. Orihime could easily heal him
But Staark wanted friends/companions.
Even if he did decide to just go off alone, it's incredibly unlikely that he'd just stay away from the quincy invasion because of that desire.
Sadly, you can't really retcon his death without really making him out to be a coward really?
It's still a shame, considering he never went all out, and despite being an enemy, wasn't really a menace to the "good" guys.
On the flipside, since Ukitake died, he'd make a great friend for Shunsui, considering how they're both laid back and chill in general.
Starks Secunda Etapa would be his original form maybe!? I think hes capable of reaching it but would never want to go to that place of compleye loneliness again. Unlike Ulquirora who made that opposite choice.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't lilynet still conscious when they fuse again? If so couldn't that imply they still haven't fully become one and that might limit their power from what it once was?
Isn't that obvious? They don't even fuse, Lilynette just turn into a gun, and Starrk use it.
When Stark uses the wolves, doesn't she dissapear?
@@davidwhidden9337no she becomes the wolves that’s why when the wolves die stark cries out her name as he can’t hear her anymore
@@emmanuelakande3563the crazy thing is that was only mentioned in the anime. The manga doesn’t mention her disappearing when the wolves are gone. Its more of a mystery to me which is more fitting
@@sound-l34ked45 yeah i personally would like to think starkk does have a second resuaction where he goes back to his og form but doesn’t use it as he would lose lillinete but that’s just headcannon
Kubo-sensei gave one sentence and MrTommo made almost 30 minutes long video from it. 😆
amazing.
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it's pretty egregious... he stretches everything into 30 minutes with 29 minutes of recap
Moving like tekking, love it 😂
@@blueberry-kingdomi mean it's tough. He's a bleach channel,and thats his passion. But we're only being drip fed new info/content so there's no a lot to go off of.
He should probably branch out a little more
I hate this kind of content.
I imagine aizen was monitoring his reiatsu periodically without actually approaching, sensing the risk. When stark split aizen sensed the dip in spiritual pressure and decided to approach. Maybe he could get an idea of his emotional state too through reiatsu.
LMAO
It almost seems like Aizen sees himself in the past when he approaches Starrk for the first time.
Didn't Ichigo theorize Aizen has been so incredibly strong for as long as he knows, not being able to find an equal at all? And that this makes him feel incredibly lonely?
Maybe he sees himself in Starrk from back then, viewing that time in his life as the dark days.
Exactly my thoughts
Everyone: *training hard to become stronger, developing clever techniques to outsmart enemies and still can't win*
Stark: I just want to have some friends *Everything dies in 100 miles radius*
I've always found fascinating is that aizen meet Barragan and Halibel when they were vasto lords while Stark was already a self made arrancar
I think the beauty (and tragedy) of Stark is that he matched up so well with Kyoraku. Both laid back pacifists that are stronger than those around them. The beauty is they sound like friends as they fight, showing how they both hold back not for their safety, but for the safety of everyone around them. The tragedy being we don’t see how much Kyoraku was holding back until TYBW, so Stark has been forgotten by many and don’t connect that he was holding back just as much, if not more, that Kyoraku.
Lilynette told Starrk that if he didn't want to lose more friends, then that's all the more reason to be more serious and get the fight over with. He came to realize that he and Shunsui really weren't anything alike in the end. Starrk went all-out for consideration of his comrades. Shunsui had to hold back for consideration of his own comrades as well.
@@D-Havoc Agreed. At first glance they both appear alike, and that's the case in terms of character. But after the fight, you see the differences in the abilities. But they still have likenesses, namely the loneliness aspect. Shunsui imo, knows he's losing his friend (Juushiro) due to his illness and lost his brother as we saw in tybw. So they both have that laid back attitude but that lone-wolf (pun intended) trait.
Kyoraku is not a pacifist by any means.
@@Migitman628 Kyoraku isnt a pacifist bruh he is just lazy asf and fighting is tiring so he just goes for diplomatic solutions. But if it goes down to it, Kyoraku is a beast who disregard any morals and uses whatever tricks he has in his disposal to win
Here's how I see it. If you look at cien granz and his power then starks original power must have been terrifying. After Szayelaporro split himself from his brother he went from the 0 espada to the 8th. While stark split himself and was still powerful enough to be the Primera espada. And it's even more impressive when considering he is a natural arrancar.
Yeah, if original Stark was turned Arrancar by Aizen instead of being natural born one? His power would likely eclipse even pre transformed Aizen.
That cien shit not canon bro.
@lolwhat19 kubo designed the characters in SAFWY. Including cein. It's cannon bro. Argue with yourself.
@@prsuave420 character design doesnt mean jackshit. kubo also designed anime filler characters. they canon too? idiot.
A very simple and intelligent view on the situation. I Agree. His power may have also kept growing over time and even sometimes killing his stronger friends whom he hoped could survive.
fans dismissing Starrk's status as the Primera Espada due to his "lackluster" looking abilities just plays, in a very meta way, into his aspect of death: solitude
The only PDF Espada!
I hope Starkk comes back, maybe one of the Wolves was able to escape and after the timeskip from the Hell Arc, he's back on his feet.
Wishful thinking..., But I want it too happen so bad
I feel like what could've made Starrk more of a threat (and Barragan too) to the reader is if Kubo made it so that when Starrk transformed, pretty much everyone on the battlefield had to focus on him and his army of wolves. Wolves that basically can't be cut down without some serious damage. It could then be a game of hide and seek. To where everyone has to run from the army of wolves while Shunsui and Ukitake try to take Starrk down.
ye idk why no one bated an eye on the top 3 release but..hisagi releasing shikai...ohh boy everyone be like...its time!
@Nevervorago right! Like there is a mist on the battlefield that can literally rot you to ash in seconds and you're only letting 3 people handle it? Barragan, on paper, is a problem that needs immediate attention. Could even make the excuse that Starrk didn't want to steal the spotlight. So he chills out until Barragan gets contained. Then, on top of "hide and seek," there's a team risking their lives by keeping wolves away from the seal that housed Barragan. Wonderweiss was a good trump card. But could've gave the top 3 espada better feats.
@@Nevervorago anime only man. the manga don't got that
Because BLEACH isn't the Dragon Ball Super Tournament of Power arc... Also, a lot of characters were already deeply preoccupied with their own fights or recovering from their wounds.
@D-Havoc True. I agree. But we're talking power scaling here. About how can Starrk SHOW he's the strongest? Explaining it is fine. Seeing ceros firing at a select few people is okay to an extent. An army of wolves looks badass. Us fans can understand the level of power here. Shunsui and Ukitake not using their bankais is completely fine, too cause eventually we know why. But how is it that Starrk owns the #1 over Barragan when we've just SEEN how scary Barragan truly can be if he's not contained.
It isn't the T.O.P. But it's still a war. And having nuke-level characters on the field should mean people are gonna get hit in the crossfire in some way.
Example: When Genryusai (may have misspelled) used his shikai at any point. Or (*SPOILER* if you havent seen or read it) when he used his bankai in TYBW. EVERYONE felt that shit. And some simply just moved further away to get clear. So even though he's doing a 1v1, we knew visually he's powerful.
7:37 you saying this made me realize how robbed we were from a ukitake bankai reveal
Indeed. There's a sliver of hope if they decide to turn the Hell chapter into an actual arc.
Azian, not bothering with starrk before the end of the Soul Society Arc, is pretty much matching his character...
He doesn't take fights he isnt sure about or that are too much of a pain in the ass , he is incredibly careful ,
He did the same in fake arc with Zaraki and Yammato, and you can also see that with Urahara when he says to azian " the old you would have never touched me twice without thinking about it 100s of times "
One of the things I never see people bring up is that Stark was already an Arrancar before meeting Aizen. Any hollows that tried to pull off his mask, like they did with Grand Fisher, would have died. Every other Arrancar and Espada we see in a flashback meets Aizen as a hollow, but Aizen met Stark as an Arrancar without his mask. This implies that Stark broke the barrier and obtained hybrid powers without the Hogyoku. Except instead of putting his Resurreccion into a Zanpakto, he put it into Lilynette.
Literally the best bleach lore videos on YT! Great stuff Tommo (been here since 300 subs!)
That’s my Primera !
People tend to forget yama was there he would have killed him easily if he won from kyoraku
@@Sabkabaap6969yama was always for aizen to fight
Ulq still better
I feel like Aizen might think of Stark as an actual friend.
They are both lonely, mainly due to their immense power
Metralleta is spanish meaning machine gun and is pronounced metrayeta
No me digas ulio😮
What I believe is possibly Stark's story is that he was alone, every time his bare reiatsu killed other hollows. With the urge to not be alone again, almost instinctively he ran to the biggest concentration of hollows that he could find, with the hope that this way, his reiatsu could be suppressed, and he could reunite with his kin (maybe the amount of hollows is justified by a very powerful vasto that used to lead them). But when he gathered with the hollows the same thing happened and all of them laid dead because of his immense power. Crying in despair, seeing his last hope dead on piles of bodies, Stark's soul divided itself in two, being able to not being alone anymore.
Starrks perception and ranking being contested isn't a BLEACH issue. It's a readers issue and inability to pick up on aomethjng BLEACH can do well, quiet expressions of strength. They can only grasp a character is strong if they do a giant "fuck all" beam or has lovecraftian cosmic horror abilities. You know, face value things. Very little room for nuiance at assessing characters in BLEACH from the fandom.
I always appreciate Kubo giving clarity because sometimes the powers are too abstract or is better conveyed through animation, but I'm never gonna pretend or default to there being no thought put into his own work.
Dude was lackluster all the way until death. How the fuck would we the readers be like, 'oh yea, this dude is the most powerful' after that? Ulquiorra on the other hand, killed Ichigo twice and would've done it a third time if he had more time.
@Man0War_Loki Not the readers story, just theirs to either enjoy or not. The writer created Stark to be the top spot, and apart from the rush job, it's pretty well implied by his performance he was deserving of it. More importantly, citing Ulquiorras performance against a character who BARELY fucking beat 6th espada and almost got iced by the next level up is NOT helping your case. Any captain level fighter with experience could mop Ichigo at that point in the story. Facts backed by how easily Hiyori could toss him around until his hollow appeared. Prior to Ichigo, whom exactly did Ulquiorra square off against to showcase how much of threat he was? Which captains did he beat or kill? Readers barely even no how to acknowledge context. As the OP said, most compare explosions and determine who is more powerful, the rest is lost on them. But Stark fights 4 captain level fighters without breaking a sweat or going all out and "nah, he was weak and lackluster". If you're going debate, at least don't rely on Ulquiorra vs. Ichigo for your basis. This is probably the worst case you can use.
Stark may have also been the worst match up for Aizen. His soul splitting may have essentially negated Aizen's hypnosis entirely. I saw your release but these 100 exploding wolves haven't.
Wow that actually makes sense
That's not how Kyoka Suigetsu works... People keep treating it as illusion-based powers because of online, unofficial databases categorize it as such. It's a complete hypnosis. Starrk has no better match up against it than Barragan or Yamamoto.
Thanks for this channel for stoking my interest in rewatching Bleach. I appreciate all the work you've done in bringing attention to the series.
Barragan honestly appeared weak to me.
Sure, Respira is scary. But what did he actually achieve?
He took Soifons arm.
He failed to kill Omadea, like it was Tom and Jerry.
He broke some Kido.
He ate Soifons Bankai. Twice.
He gave Hachi the tool to defeat him.
Stark _barely_ lost a 3v1, taking out 2 captains.
Barragan didn't even take out a vice captain. Whose name was Omaeda. Ichigo one-punched Omaeda!
Add he battled plot Armour....most couldn't get past that
Soifon survived due to plot Barragan's ability was OP imagine he had a resurrection form. He got defeated by multiple opponents.
I don't think Aizen feared anyone, he just knew not to mess with certain individuals, lest he'd die without attaining his goal
I feel like Aizen may or may not still have been stronger than his original form. But aside from that, he has just always been a cool calm and collective type even when facing an opponent weaker than him
He definitey feared going up against Yamamoto without a trick up his sleeve. For Starrk, it was probably concern that the hollow wouldn't go along with him, since he's not easy to manipulate.
@@Caidezes Well being cautious doesn’t necessarily automatically equal to fear.
I agree me and my brother always said lord aizen preferred to fight /not fight certain people but he didn’t fear anyone not even yamma he just knew he couldn’t beat him hand to hand so he created wonderwiess but notice there is no fear in aizens soul
You're correct. Whoever says Aizen feared doesn't understand his character at all. The entire character of Aizen relies on him lacking two qualities, fear and despair. Aizen wouldn't be Aizen if he had any fear or despair.
I think vasto lord starkk would constantly divide his soul killing everyone around him and his soul pieces would eat hollows then fuse back to him making him that strong
Im glad fans still care abt Starrk enough to ask Kubo questions like this, thats why hes the goat and proof that he was deserving of number 1. Now someone just needs to ask kubo if Aizen truly did know abt SE Ulquiorra/Where SE Ulquiorra ranks among the other espada. Like does he surpass Harribel? Abive Barragan now? Otherwise the debate will go on forever lmao
not gona argue for stark or baragan..but harribel was weak..and kinda a letdown...i wish she was stronger and had more abilitys. she was the only current female espada and deserved better....it din't help that aizen got so bored he desided to try to finish her off himself...mind you she survived and was the only espada beside grimjow to live on....maybe we will see her on shark tank XD
Harribel is actually quite strong she fought toshiro was basically destroying him and then when she was seemingly defeated she came back without even a single injury then she fights two visords plus toshiro again not being hurt. Aizen decided to finish her off because he no longer had any use for her the espada had served their purpose
@@genius3121 This. She gets downplayed but she fought 3 captain class shinigami (with 2 of them being Visored and one of them being an actual Captain) simultaneously. Also unlike with Espada 1 and 2, without Aizen team killing her, she seemingly would have fought against those 3 likely until her victory. After his substitution jutsu, Toshiro used his "other" ace in the hole, and as you said she got out completely unscathed (I also dont believe wonderweiss's voice has the power to shatter ice, so imo this is her feat) and Toshiro said himself he was pretty much out of energy and options, and it seemed they couldnt land a definitive blow on her. Her battle vs Lisa and Hiyori is mostly off-screen though, unlike Stark and Barragan's battles against their opposing captain class enemies being on-screen for longer periods
@@GinKaza Nobody is downplaying her, it's just that her display is really not that impressive. Lisa and Hiyori (and all visored except Shinji, to be honest) are featless and have 0 meaningful wins among them throughout the entire series. Based on Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight, Harribel should've been able to curbstomp Hitsugaya no problem, because there is absolutely no way Toshiro is stronger than Ichigo at that point... but she kinda struggled instead.
@@thelastgalvanizer Exactly this, Soul Society Ichigo fought against a cap that defeated 2 captns, then defeated the Byakuya who is absolutely above Toshiro, all this without even mastering his hollow powers. Ulquiorra destroyed that with no issue, even in his 1st form. Harribel vs Hitsugaya just doesnt make much sense, even with this new info I doubt that it changes the fact that Yammy is stronger than Starrk and Ulquiorra is probably stronger than both.
Stark could have probly also shot gran ray cero are Cero Oscuras as well from his gun
I’m surprised he didn’t
Spamming that would be crazy
Ive always believed that to be the case. He likely is a master of cero techniques etc.
Funny that none of 1,2 or 3 ever used the spéciale ceroes.
Mixing shots would have been a fun scene. Cutting off movement with cero, and sniping with an offhand Oscuras AP round. Maybe a Bala shotgun as well, chain blasting a massive simultaneous spread at near ftl, the only visual effect being a visual distortion and unmitigated destruction at the destination
Although there's a lot I like about what the anime added to the espada, I definitely think Starkk got the short end of the deal. The idea that Starkk's wolves could be permanently lost, to the point he couldn't even hear Lilinette anymore, severely nerfed Starkk in the eyes of many, myself included. It seems from all other sources that his energy is effectively infinite, like an android in Dragon Ball or something, and that would certainly be worthy of the primera position, but in the anime's telling the impression is that Starkk takes a major risk splitting his soul for frankly little gain when it ultimately only causes some bruises on his foes. There is a significant difference between "he fires a lot of cero and can make a lot of exploding wolves", versus "he can fire cero and split his soul and *never* stop".
It really does change a lot about the character. The anime gives the impression that Lillinette is extremely concerned about losing, and that Starrk can actually kill one of his personalities with the attack. The manga reads as him being calm and collected the whole time, and the only interjecting Lillinette does is his internal monologue of "Aren't you pissed that Barragan died?" - "Kinda, but it is what it is".
If I'm not wrong Aizen started acting and killing Hallibel after Stark was killed
I think complete history on each realm would do the main series a lot of justice since we're lacking a lot of world building. If Kubo is ever interested in writing Spin-offs/letting other people he trusts write Spin-offs, I hope we get in depth lore to Hueco Mundo and the Hollow lifespan as well as some sprinkles of fan service with seeing all the Espada in their Vasto Lorde forms. A good little 12-24 episode series showing off Aizen's journey in recruiting all the Espada would be awesome.
I was standing on my pedestal with my friends preaching how, if anyone was close to an equal to Aizen it was Stark, and then we get this bombshell. Absolutely incredible. I call things time after time, and the comments call me crazy sometimes. But it is what is.
I'm zero seconds into this. WHAT!??? I never knew I wanted this video so badly!!! Lol
I hoped Starrk would become Ichigo's hollow ally. 😭
Starrk was always my favorite Espada. I wish he could've been in more of the series
i dont think they lost too much power after spliting. Just bc when aizen appears starrk sad "you seem like you could be around US without getting killed" whitch leads me to think that normal hollows still did die after they splitt. but i could be wrong and after splitting there were not much time for that before aizen arrived.
I literally cried when Stark Died. It was sad. He didnt want to fight, he didnt want to be lonely.
I still don't fully understand how lillynette was unalived. Like why did Bushogoma stop her/them but Rose's Izayoi Bara didn't? If Stark could divide near infinitely, why did Bushogoma work on the wolves?
Plot lol
Manga volume sketches show her dying with him
It was just bad anime filler. Didn't happen in the manga and directly contradicts Starrk saying the wolves are BOTH Starrk and Lilinette, that it's the Primera's power to do so.
I wish stark was still around instead of some of Grimmjow
bruh, "some" Grimmjow? Get the fuck outta here
Giving Kubo answers again, stop giving kubo choose one questions and let hims answer himself
🤦♂️
Fr they just believe whatever he says like everything was planned
If neither were the right answer then he would've just said so. I find it weird that whenever something is confirmed by an author that isn't directly stated in the series people will challenge it as if the rest of the evidence for their claim dont come from the same person.
This exactly!!!, It just feels like they're giving him an exit based on the choices they like/want
@@doublea4012 And bleach fans like to pretend that the author had planned everything from the start.
Yeah Kubo made a lot of mistakes, like why doesn't Yamamoto have 1v1 aizen regularly with his bankai? Why doesn't Shunsui have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why doesn't Kisuke have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why didn't Kisuke literally help the captains heal and beat aizen?
1 Yamamoto: Yamamoto's flames are of such magnitude that they could engulf entire battlefields, regardless of Aizen's sensory illusions. As an AOE attack, Ryūjin Jakka could overwhelm Aizen, even under the effect of his Shikai Kyoka Suigetsu, because Yamamoto wouldn't need to aim precisely to reach him. And let's not even talk about his Bankai.
2 Shunsui: While Aizen uses Kyoka Suigetsu to manipulate sensory perceptions, Shunsui's Bankai doesn't rely on vision or the senses to be effective. He directly affects his environment, and the rules of tragedy he imposes are unavoidable as long as you're within his Bankai's area of effect. This means that Aizen would always be affected by the different phases of Bankai, regardless of his illusions.
3 Kisuké: Kisuke's Bankai, Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, is incredibly powerful and could reshape matter itself, including bodies. This means that he could effectively counter almost any damage or alteration he or others would suffer in combat. He has the ability to restore or modify his own body, and his techniques could probably have put Aizen in great difficulty, especially before the fusion with the Hogyoku.
If Kisuke, with his Bankai Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, completely remodels the physical structure of the eyes, changing the position of the atoms or altering the physical components of the eyes (or even the brain that processes sight), there's a good chance that these eyes will no longer be the same as those Aizen initially “hypnotized” with his Shikai.
Amazing analysis, this answer definetly brings a different perspective to the stark and barragan video you made
Here is a curious thought. With Starrks ability to split his soul, can we ever be sure that the form before Starrk is OG Starrk and not a previous split? How many times could he of split before. . . That would be terrifying
There are context clues that imply it is the first and only time Staark did that specific type of split. If he did it before, there would be more of his assistants.
18:00 I think what the questioner was saying by "waited for everything to settle down" was just waiting until he had consolidated his power, and was closer to becoming a more transcendent being by the hōgyoku.
Anything Kubo says at this point is just hollow (pun intended). If Kubo really wants to live up to his words then he would need to somehow revive Stark & give him his due place as Primera.
Really though, Kubo should’ve made the top 3 Espadas have 2nd Resurrecion. It’s honestly ridiculous that Ulquorria was the only one to have it. And in doing so all 3 came off looking way weaker than him, especially when the other’s abilities are so simple & lackluster in comparison.
It suits Ulquiorra to have it, maybe Halibel too, but I can see Baragan be too prideful to develop another resurrection form and Starkk just wouldn't bother.
At least Starrk could have one besides Ulquiorra, being a Werewolve and Ulquiorra being a Vampire.
In other words, Kubo needs to validate fan theories and expectations instead of fans putting thought into the answers he gives and referring to his material with a new perspective from his answers. Gotcha.
Death of the author. This is called Death of the author.
@@gmradio2436 This is called pretentious weebs thinking they know more than the author because they're Barragan or Ulquiorra simps.
YES! I’ve been dying to hear you cover it
I totally believe Starrk is more powerful. I like his character very much. But he was utilized and showcased terribly, and his powers...were unimaginative and unevocative, especially given his compelling backstory. Barragan was styled like a stereotypical Lich, and he was taken down by a character that most fans of the series wouldn't look twice at - Hachi. And yet that story and that fight were legendary. Hachi and Soi Fon were an unlikely but dynamic pair, the way Hachi and her defeated Barragan took ingenuity and the use of an understandable mechanic, and it all just worked. Meanwhile Starrk's and Lilynette's fight was hard to follow and ended anticlimatically, and was just dull. So of course Barragan is remembered more fondly, and Starrk remembered with reproach and disappointment.
Yeah starrk fight is dissapointing. He shouldve done better than that.
Hope we could see him in another squel
Kubo should start giving more info about Gremmy and his power scaling. I think he just loves to dodge and ignore power scaling questions and loves seeing the world burn.
I‘m glad this Starrk vs Barragan debate is over.
Even though it’s still a shame that Starrk had so little presence in the main story. As he is the most unlikely to return in the hell arc.
He should have been purified by Shunsui. There’s not much reason to believe Starrk was an evil human or human at all.
Its not over, Starkk is getting clapped by anime wonderweiss left and right
@@DuBstep115Yada yada
@@0eyesIf you don’t remember, so long as the spiritual pressure is high enough, they will always go to Hell when they die. That “high enough” is captain grade or higher, so he should technically be in Hell, it’s just a question of if we see him in the case that the Hell arc comes.
@@DuBstep115No he's not
Aizen: "now you feel like number ooooonee"
Baraggan: Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one!
Starrk: I don't wanna be a-
Baraggan: PRESENTATION!!!
'My Name is Murder' by Brendon Small starts sounding in the background.
Yea, I think that’s exactly how that conversation went. 😂
I love listening to MrTommo. I tend to just listen to his videos altogether. He’s the nerd of the rings of bleach.
Aizen being wary of Starrk just means he‘s high tier Captain level. He‘s on the same tier of power like Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake. Strong enough to be kept at arms length.
Starrk was always my favorite Espada, I've had this pfp since 2014 :)
Stark only seemed weak because he was fighting kyoraku, bad match up
Aizen knew how to manipulate Stark. That's why he came to him by himself. To help reinforce in Stark's mind the thought that this person understands me. What better way to approach a loner than alone.
16:30 I think Aizen was just changing his approach to best fit the Hollow he wanted to recruit. Aizen wasn’t scared of Stark. He even recruited him alone instead of bringing Gin and Kaname. Aizen is a master manipulator and will do what is necessary to get someone on his side.
So wrong 😂😂😂
Did you listen to the rest of the video?
How is it wrong? I agree with this. Aizen is on a massive massive level, way above the espada, he himself said he thought the Vasto lordes would have a similar level of power to his own but they didn't. Aizen also showed up and saved halibel and her fraccion showing up in a completely different way to recruit halibel. Tommo is a good youtuber but come on man, Aizen is way above all espada and Vasto lordes, Kubo made him this way for a reason.@@felipesantos-er4kk
The thing I love about the battle against Shunsui was they were both playing the long game, constantly testing who is holding back the most. It was a huge mind game until Starrk had to get serious, Shunsui really is a sneaky menace. The colour game takedown to this day *chefs kiss*.
Aizen probably approached Starrk differently because he saw Starrk as a very relatable being. Both of them have no equals in terms of strength and were alone.
Though this just opens more questions than answers lol. So was Starrk an ancient hollow like Barragan given his strength? Starrk doesn't look that old. Barragan could easily have been the most powerful but he seemed to have gotten relaxed and arrogant in his pursuit.
tbqh, Shinigamis already had incredibly delayed aging and we never had confirmation that hollows themselves aged. As far as we know they just look like they used to look when they were alive forever. And then there's the whole entire thing that Gillians actually become new beings with a brand new personality after they consume so many souls, and we don't know exactly how that one new face or personality is born..
Ichihime is better
Stark has always been one of my favorite characters in Bleach, my favorite Espada for sure. I wish we got to see his true form, and now after this reveal by Kubo I wish we saw it even more.
Starrk should have been amazing. EVERYONE can identify with loneliness. Kubo dropped the ball on him more than any other character. Shunsui shouldn't have been able to kill Starrk. At all. Not without his bankai. Yes, I'm salty about it.
Kubo didn't drop the ball... Tired of people blaming Kubo because they're used to Dragon Ball power level gloating on the battlefield. People dropped the ball at reading and understanding BLEACH and its characters.
@@D-Havocoh please we know that his and 3rd's death were lame af
@bryce2588 He died against the future captain commander. No, he didn't drop the ball. Stark just isn't that strong. Let it go. Shunsui was able to fight a buffed-up SS member with just shikai. Stark got killed by one of the strongest shinigami at the time, the same shinigami who can fight almost evenly with Yamamoto, someone who towers over Stark in power. Just because you all can't read doesn't mean Kubo fumbled with Stark.
@@bryce2588 .
@@bryce2588 Also thematically as in if you actually read the show Stark has one of the best Deaths in bleach by far
Starkk: " we were too strong and split between bodies...😢"
Zaraki: "First time?"
This detail really feels kind of like a waste frankly. Even if this is true, what difference does it make. Starrk is dead and even when he and Lilinette united still didn't reveal the power that Kubo is claiming they used to have.
Unless he's planning to either reveal Starrk is still alive or he will return in the Hell Arc with all his power restored, this feels like Too Little Too Late. Really they should've had Starrk show this power in the Fake Karakura Town Arc, likely with him also having a Segunda Etapa where his power becomes such that he truly lives up to his reputation.
What power is Kubo "claiming" Starrk to have that you can't refer back to the spurce material or databooks for?
Proto Stark must have been extremely potent and intoxicating. It literally was very strong and probably very likeable, perhaps too irresistible….
I get the sense that individual had many friends that they hoped would be able to continue their journey but only for a short time…
There are two things I needs to know about bleach before I die. What is Aizen’s bankai? And where does Ulquiorra’s segunda etapa stand on the totem pole?
I didn't know he could split his soul endlessly! That changes everything!
I feel like Aizen respected and felt a sort of connection with Starrk, maybe even as close as Aizen can get to genuinely liking someone.
They're both individuals who were alone due to their sheer strength, they just dealt with it differently. Aizen developed a superiority complex and Starrk basically made another person who could survive his presence.
It's definitely worth remembering that Aizen only turned on Harribel and declared the Espada failures after Starrk died, not after Barragan did.
My head cannon was that starrk was originally closer to a god among weaker hollows or as ancient as barragon. I imagined his power was similar to yami in the sense his power originally absorbed life/spiritual energy from other nearby hollows. The friends he lost were probably being absorbed into him passively eventually becoming a part of him. Los lobos is his soul being split but his soul is an amalgamation of the hollows that died long ago. His original form is probably a distant memory of a wolf roaming on the hunt with its pack. At some point the loneliness was so great part of those hollows that became his soul split to be his friend again. So instead of a great giant wolf his power became his pack. Something akin to van hohenheim’s philosopher’s stone in full metal alchemist. All of the parts of him we see are stories of the whole.
As much as I love starrk & I find this answer to be quite fascinating I do think some fans are kind of jumping the shark a little bit and saying things like starrk is more powerful than Aizen.
Of course they are. This fanbase has been making excuses for Starrk from the very beginning. Either unable to accept that he actually isn't the strongest Espada (Yammy), or not the most important (Ulquiorra meant to face "Vasto Lorde" Ichigo).
@@dunebuggy1292yammy is not the strongest espada, hes weaker than most of them and is unironically weaker than zomari. Feats go against him being the strongest.
Exactly. While Aizen comfortably low diffs the espada, he probably mid diffs Stark. But the only thing i like about Kubo’s answer is that it cements that Stark was hella OP, definitely was Primera
@@doncinati7644 well remember aizen also said that he never expected that the power of all the spotted would be inferior to his own. How I interpreted this is Stark was powerful enough to wear like you said you wouldn't be able to just effortlessly defeat Stark it would have required a little bit extra effort but the results would ultimately be the same.
Because we know up until Ichigo comes into the picture he low difficulties pretty much everybody
@@blackAngelProductions exactly man. Exactly. Starrk is him fr
An interesting discussion brought forth in the video. Some really good and thought out points.
I believe Stark as a character played an archetype that is sometimes seen in media and almost always has the same traits; the hermit. Such a character is usually absurdly powerful, but lonely -- emphasizing the strength gained from solitude, just as it can happen in real life after enduring hardships with nobody to lean on. I believe he is hard to read because these people, after suffering become distant and un-phased by many issues which would plague a 'normal' person.
As mentioned above this concept is not new to media, and I will give 3 very different examples that I think of whenever Stark comes to mind:
Kidred from the League of Legends game -- Basically the sentient personification of Death in that universe, it is also plagued by loneliness and because of its immense power over life, all creatures want to stay away. Thus, Death ends up splitting himself in two, just like Stark, so that he might have a friend.
Another example is the dragon dubbed 'The Cannibal' from the Game of Thrones series -- and this references Aizen's hesitation to deal with Stark until he had all of Hueco Mundo under his thrall. In the books, the Cannibal is believed to be this immense, monstrous dragon which rivals Balerion the Black in strength, yet, despite needing said strength, nobody dares search for it or tame it in times of turmoil because they are more afraid of its power. Once more bringing into point the idea that this archetype is usually by itself and feared.
In the movie Rambo 4, the traits I mentioned above are once more clearly emphasized -- loneliness , power, experience. In said movie the archetype is used on the side of 'good', as he is enlisted to escort the main group through dangerous territory, giving him ample opportunities to display his strength, despite being surrounded by dangerous characters in their own right.
All in all, this archetype is always fascinating and mysterious because a good writer will have them see the world in a different way than the 'heroes' or 'enemies', depending on what faction they are a part of. Case an point, amongst the Espada, who are all bloodthirsty to some extent, Stark is a very chill guy who actually doesn't want to fight. Their mystery comes from said view-point, which see them switching sides, morally questioning the opposing team in a way not encountered before or keeping the audience in suspense with what they will do next.
To conclude, I agree fully with what you said in the beginning of the video regarding Kubo's missed opportunity to actually present Start as the most threatening thing on the battlefield in that arc. The two Visored captains should have died to emphasize his power, as well as Kyoraku and Shunsui (or at least one of them) being forced into bankai during their fight. In many ways, it felt rushed, and ultimately its strange that out of all the characters that could be saved, Kubo chose to kill Stark off, instead of having him return on the side of good as with some of the Espada in the TYBW.
Great video, again. Keep up the good work o/
It was stated in KlubOutside
Aizen having difficulties dealing with starkk is biggest kluboutside bs I have ever heard
@@DuBstep115 to be fair it isn't Stark. It's the original arrancar he was prior to becoming Stark.
Should it be KlUBOutside?
@DuBstep115 People make up false things and say they were "stated" in KlubOutside or the novels without any context. It was never stated that Aizen had difficulty controlling Starrk. That's fandon theories.
@@DuBstep115 thinking you know better than the author of the manga himself is wild.
16:55 For me don't seems like Aizen don't want to step in someone toes, it just seem like that way of acting, was the best approach for having Stark as another Espada, an he just did that to manipulate him, as when Starkk dies, he says that he couldn't repay Aizen did for him (let him have friends), so again, probably Aizen just acted this way, to maipulate Starkk in to him beliving and siding with Aizen a little more.
Baraggan had a way different personality than Starrk, so Aizen had to "talk" to him in a different way
Honesty, Starrk should have neen given the chance to go all out and make everyone in the battlefield a target. Let him make it rain Ceros as everyone of the Soul Reapers have to dodge or team up to survive it. Maybe only if Barragan and Harribel are down for drama, but make it where he is able to threaten everyone present by simply flexing.
Let me ask this, so him using an attack that destroys his soul is not going all out?
He did go all-out. It only doesn't seem that way because people ironically are downplaying Shunsui at the same time and not thinking Shunsui was simply that strong. And they don't think Shunsui was that strong because he didn't use Bankai. Bankai is a trump card, as Shunsui puts it. It's not a super saiyan transformation. It's not always a slam dunk win or even viable in every situation to use, and Shunsui's Bankai isn't bestowing him any enhanced combat prowess like speed or power either.
Finally Kubo has given us Starrk content!
We all know stark is the strongest. Someone needs to tell the Ulquiorra fans, because they are wild. Saying he is the strongest
Hope they both come back in the Hell arc
"Out of all Espada only i have achieved a second stage release. I haven't let Lord Aizen see me in this state yet"
Don't wanna be that guy but i think that statement alone makes it pretty enough clear who truly the strongest Hollow was. Even by the simple fact he was chosen as the main villian for Ichigo to unleash his Vasto Lorde form against already should speak as a confirmation. Also him being the only Hollow in the series to have found his "soul/heart" again all should tell us that he was the "main Hollow villian"
Come on, I mean dude was literally named after Lucifer lol
Which other Espada we know or heard about had a second release??... Ofcourse he was the strongest.
@@livingashtree1942 bro what are you talking about. Ulquiorra was created for the soul purpose of bringing Ichigo to his limit. Ichigo Vasto Lorde form washed ulquiorra in his 2nd release. He even said there are 3 Espada above him. Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn’t know about Ulquiorra 2nd release. Barragan was literally the king oh HM, he literally was the strongest hollow, yet Aizen put him at 2. Because stark is the strongest & has ultimate power. He just was lazy & didn’t get enough screen time
@@rmaxime92 "Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn't know about Ulquiorra second release" -- You got any proof?
Listen my guy, there's a reason why the writer explicitly made Ulquiorra state "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" while him being ranked as number 4. It's not rocket science. It was supposed to put Ichigo who was already being outmatched in a situation of TOTAL despair by realizing he's facing a opponent of a level of power he couldn't even begin to fathom, making the main character idealistically fold and resort to the bottom of this abysmal power he has inside of himself ALL in order to save his friends and obtain victory-- masterful writing👌
There are only two possible explanations:
1) Either Aizen truly didn't know about Ulquiorra's second release as Ulquiorra himself explicitly stated and by so he revealed himself to actually being the strongest Espada
2) Aizen already knowing about the second release and him letting Ulquiorra purposely stay behind in Hueco Mundo for that exact reason knowing that only he could push Ichigo(his test subject) to his absolute limit before finally facing him himself.
Hallibel, Barragan and Stark were the "strongest" Hollow on a surface level but as Ulquiorra himself revealed and stated "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" making it clear that on a deeper level he's actually the strongest. it's not rocket science bro, follow the plot...
By your logic Yammy is technically the strongest Hollow which we ALL know to not being true. Lol
Again i ask, what other Espada have we been shown or heard about to having a Second Release??
If Stark and Barragan or Yammy etc truly were the "strongest" trust me, it wouldve been made VERY clear they are by making them also possess a second release one that would outshine Ulquiorra's. The fact is simple, Ulquiorra with that statement and transformation alone COMPLETELTY outshined his competitors(being the Espada) as being the STRONGEST.
@@livingashtree1942 Imagine why Uluqiora had the need to create his second ressurection and why Stark didnt.
I love the love for Stark. I think Aizen had seen something special in him from the beginning. I think he had high hopes, and was actually upset he was defeated. I mean he did not interfere until Stark was defeated.
Saying aizen 'feared' is exaggerating.
Espada are arrancars at their prime.
And Aizen literally said that their powers combined are weaker than him.
The same base aizen went on to toy with the gotei 13 which the espadas struggled with.
Shikai Aizen, not base Aizen.
Fear is not a switch between 0 and 1. There are degrees of fear. So even Aizen feeling since of fear and uncertainty against strong opponents like Yammato and Staark is reasonable. How he deals with fear is more important than if he feels fear. Aizen prepares.
True but Aizen was getting all yoked off the Hogyoku so he may have feared Starrk *at that time*
@grimm6jack second part of the fight was aizen in his base , not even shikai and ended it faster.
It's funny to me Aizen saying something is somehow proof. The guy admits to lying like a dozen times and multiple other characters even point out he lies. Ichigo has a whole conversation with him in Fake Karakuea about how what he says contradics what he said before and Aizen just outright says he could just have been lying back then.
But yeah sure, Aizen said something so clearly he was being honest this time.
Literally just sitting in the emergency watching clips thinking “damn they really did stark dirty even being the number 1 espada”
Starrk, forever the character requiring mental gymnastics of "not being serious" or whatever, amounting to relatively little even in his most powerful move.
When Shunsui quizes Starrk on whenther his guns can fire something other than Ceros it's not necessarily because he really believed he was lying, he playing one of his Shikai games "Yubikiri". If Starrk had lied then his fingers would've been immobilized, making it impossible for him to fire his guns.
"If either of them lied to each other, first, the liar’s fingers would stop moving. At the second lie, all the bones in the liar’s body would become incapacitated as though a fist had crushed them, and at the third lie, the liar would be assaulted with an intense pain as though their entrails were being pierced by needles from the inside out."
Couldn't it just be that barragan, arguably the oldest Vasto Lorde hollow maybe the oldest hollow, just has better control of his reiatsu. Unless we think that stark is V2 hogyoku aizen level he most likely just lacked control. It wouldn't do much for barragan to kill his subjects. Aizen didn't have confidence that he could overpower barragan. It's why he immediately used kyoku suigetsu. I don't think barragan gained much power from aizen. Since ressurcion was literally his original form. Everyone else looked different he was exactly the same. He couldn't do a thing because of kyoka suigetsu. In combat even if we assume stark has just more reiatsu it won't be by much if he was on equal footing to ikomikidimoe whose death alone would've caused an imbalance in the universe. This was before his name was stripped away. Barragan also had experience fighting other Vasto Lorde. Harribel had come in contact with barragan and she almost died to a hollow buffed by aizen however I doubt barragan would've struggled at all Since the hollow didn't even attempt to overthrow barragan.
seems most logical indeed....just think back on ichigo...
Here's the thing: Barragan was a Red Herring. He was being bombastic and extreme with everything he did to make the reader think he's Number One. Starrk is a subversion of this. Narratively, it makes more sense for him to be Number One than Barragan.
@@HOLDENPOPE how does that prove anything. Barragan has more proof of being extremely powerful. It just seems stark lacked control of his reiastu back then. He fused with Linette to become one soul and wasn't causing any problems. He changed tho. Barragan stayed the same. Hell aizen even noted that barragan already had a weapon. He was more advanced than he was given credit for.
Aizen put even vice captains under Kyoka Suigetsu, that doesn't mean much. Aizen was literally one shotting captains that the top 3 espadas were struggling to beat 1v1, Barragan was far below Aizen in raw power
@@ThePipojp the fact they were under kyoka suigetsu means that they were naturally off guard. Hachi was the one weakness barragan had. Also see how the first thing he did to barragan was placed him under KS. I'm not saying he's not more powerful but barragan isn't a slouch. If it was for KS. The battle would be something to watch. Barragan's biggest weakness was his own arrogance. We see how fast he is yet once he activates his abilities then he literally never moves. If he just fought as a real assailant even hachi would've lost.
Always gotta give a Like to a vid of you talking about Stark, keep it up brother
This doesn't really make sense, he states it's 2 then states a speculation on starks charm is being difficult to read almost as if thats why aizen didn't approach him before. Kubo needs to clarify better and the question proposed was set up awfully.
This really doesn't sound like kubo read through his question well because it's almost implying aizen feared starrk but then states its because he's difficult to read. Is there a possible translation error?
Regarding power, ressurected starrk would be above original form starrk which means he can't be close to aizens level at all.
Original starrk split into two, if he halved his power then his original form would be 2x that of base current starrk or the starrk at the time of the split, you could argue he gave more power to lilynette like say 90% making her stronger than him but that would make no sense as shes extemely weak. So in no instance should aizen be below any form of starrk because aizen solo'd all the captains and starrk struggled with love, rose and lost to shunsui.
It could just be both. Starrk was strong enough to be a possible obstacle and his personality wouldn't allow Aizen to manipulate him like other hollows. So Aizen was wary.
@@Caidezes possible and wary makes more sense but kubo states “I think starks charm is that he’s a guy who’s difficult to read” as a response to why aizen didn’t recruit original form stark. Atleast that’s how I read it.
Even for aizen to be wary it wouldn’t make sense since aizen is so far above stark in power, this is why I think kubo is stating it’s just because he’s difficult to read so I don’t think aizen considered starks original power any threat to him.
I wish kubo would have clarified or a better phrased question was asked.
@@MrDeclareWar Kubo is notorious for giving vague answers, so this is likely the best we'll get from him on the topic. It is what it is.
I read it more as Aizen viewed Stark as a person of interest. It's possible original Stark's power was greater than Aizen's prior to Aizen obtaining the Hogyoku, but Stark was at least strong enough that Aizen needed to be cautious. Stark being difficult to read makes him difficult to manipulate, and a being of Stark's power could have thrown a wrench in Aizen's plans if Stark chose to stand against him. His different approach to Stark reinforces that he needed to be more delicate. It may be better to consider Stark as the hollow equivalent of Yamamoto in that Aizen in his earlier stages could not have stood up to him in a fair fight. Aizen is arrogant, but also intelligent and meticulous. He would not let his arrogance jeopardize his plan.
In short, Aizen likely didn't fear Stark as much as recognized his potential and needed to follow a specific course to account for the threat Stark could represent if left as a factor outside of his control.
@@Caidezes yeah, it’s abit annoying. I’m not going to consider this cannon as his statement includes speculation itself.
2 Disclaimers: love your contact, and I love Stark's design. with that being said Stark is presented to us "lacking" let alone not number 1. He simply does not show any superior power ( he's Ceros although powerful never hit so pretty much useless ) or achievements. he didn't make any captain use their Bankai, and the only ones he actually beat is the two weakest captains. I know some wouldn't agree with me but that's that.
Ive always said starkk beats barragan. Soi fon proved that his respira isnt all powerful and it isnt instant with her bankai. Its not hard to imagine starkks ceros or his lobos bombs would be able to get through his respira.
Hell even ulquiorra could beat barragan
Edit: so that I don't keep getting these replies, segunda etapa ulquiorra is the strongest espada. Yes he beats starkk and barragan. In terms of his first release, he doesn't.
i think ulquiorra would beat them both, theres a reason he isn't ranked in 2nd release and bodies bankai masked ichigo in 1st release who in just half bankai is captain level. And his feats alone are far superior to every espada.
lol starrk is barely 5th strongest
He gets clapped by ulquiorra, wonderweiss, baraggan and Yammy
@@MrDeclareWar well yeah segunda etapa ulquiorra is the strongest espada. I'm talking in terms excluding segunda etapa though.
@@DuBstep115 muted
Ulq is stronger then both starrk and barrgen , dude has a second and nuclear bomb on stand by...
Nothing either of them can do about it 🙄
It's nice to have Kubo confirm my suspicions. I've always thought Starrk stronger than the others due to the soul splitting and that the only other one we've seen do it is Zaraki.
But to finally have my little head theories told "you were on the right track" and have my favorite Espada gain recognition again is wonderful
I dont believe Kubo implied that Aizen FEARED Starrk, that's kind of disingenuous for Aizen's character
I don’t think kubo meant that he really feared starrk. I think it’s more in the sense of aizen saw him as a threat that could he problematic to what aizen wanted.
I agree. Plus, even when facing a opponent, weaker than him, Aizen has always been the cool calm and collective type
yes i belive he just wanted to wait for the best moment to recruit him
@@cameronwashington53 I think it’s more of how aizen “feared” Yamamoto. He knew starrk could be a big issue for him so much that he knew if he didn’t deal with it, it could be an issue.
@@kuraiokami2301 I think it had to do more with Stark’s personality a lot more than his power. I think that both his original power and Baregan were weaker than Aizen, but they’re two different personalities just meant that Aizen developed two different ways of dealing with them.
I always thought it would be cool if Aizen found the original form of stark and he convinces the primera Espada to join him. Then he splits off Lilinette and Stark as part of his soul (Like stark does to make wolves) to help Aizen. Meaning his true form still exist in hueco mundo. just a fun fan theory.
I honestly don't see Aizen being scared if starrk with how much plotting and planning this man did since the soul society was basically started, I mean he fooled the entire 13 court squad and even Yamamoto, like Noone knew the depths of this man's plans, you can't show Aizen doing all this plotting having him make barragon bow to him and have aizen lead the espadas then take out Yamamotos zanpakto then yrs later go :oh aizen feared starrk.. huh?! Nah fam Kubo is tripping.
I know right? He was strong but not that strong to fear Aizen
Oh no, random person claiming the author doesn't know his own story because they said so...very convincing.
@@nahte123456 ye like RIP Akira Toriyama one time jiren is the strongest and another time Broly and aster week no wait Black friza but he still dont have any chance vs Beerus (70% of ssj god)xD
nah Barragan simps are tripping. The Q&A didn't say he was scared of Stark, but he was apprehensive about approaching him until he subjugated the Hogyoku. Which just means he's a potential problem, which is true.
The ability of unpredictability is broken! Great vid!