As you know, when people talk about quality of rifles over time, they/we're usually talking in decades, not in a few years time. I'm very surprised to see the QC differences in a Marlin between 1974 and '79. I have a Marlin 1894 in .357 mag circa 1983. I'm thankful it's post the mid-70's era.
I was surprised too. I really expected the older model would be better. But I talked to Adam at Ranger Point Precision afterwards. He has done a lot of work on Marlins and he said there were some pretty big swings in "quality" even in those earlier years of the 1894.
I agree. I consider most guns from the 70's to 80's to all be suspect. It's back in the 60's and earlier that I expect them to have been better made(with some wartime exceptions). A couple years would indicate poor quality control and not an age thing.
I think we share a taste in firearms. I also have a Marlin 1894, but it's a CB version. It's a Rimlin as they call them. It functions ok but you can't operate the lever with one finger and it's really raw on the inside. So that's gone be a project for a day when I'm borred. I have 3 Winchesters (1892, 1886, 1866) and 1 Marlin (1894CB). There is no doubt in my mind that the next leveraction rifle I will buy is going to be another Winchester from Miroku (1873). They are really awesome. Super quality. Thank you very much for the video. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
@@TargetSuite I broke down and bought a 2002 JM 1894 44mag in Stainless on Sunday. It looks 🍒 Can’t wait for it to arrive! I guess my first new Marlin will have to be a 39A .
Got a 2010 for $550 and inspecting the internals with a jeweler's loupe found a lot of filing and scratch marks. Smoothed them out with a fine file, stone, and buff and the action is smooth. Also replaced the 'floppy' trigger.
I pulled my late 2019 to bits and the machining and fit are perfect thanks to the CNC machines they use to make it. I still had to polish the inside with paste because the bolt was tight to slick it up and cut the mag spring shorter to make loading easier [now holds 10 rounds in the tube]. No problem with 38 rounds feeding like old ones did. I think once they ironed out the bugs and set the computer program the CNC makes a perfect part every time. No more file to fit like the old ''handmade'' ones. So there you go, brand new is better than an old one.
Thanks! Hearing that from you is very encouraging! I enjoy your videos as well. In fact, I can't imagine watching anyone else but you shoot 200 rounds of 22lr through a Glock😄
I have a 80’s model and it is in great shape. I just installed the skinner express black and gold sites on it to match the gold trigger.Can’t wait to get it tuned in. After watching your video on the model 39A I ordered a set for it also. Thanks for the great content.
I'm surprised I missed this video. Both my 357 and 444 were manufactured in the early 80's. The 357 has always had a very smooth action. The 444 has needed some TLC. I'm getting quite adept at stripping them down now (thanks to you)
My 1894 is a Cowboy. 24” octagon barrel in .45 Colt. So beautiful I had my gunsmith friend engrave my initials on left receiver side. Holds 11 rounds in tube. Has beautiful walnut that I hand burnish up to high luster. Early 2000s I’ll have to check date. Sling but not scoped. Deep blue and just an awesome rifle. Side kick to my various wheel guns in same caliber including a Colt peacemaker. Fancy hand carved belt and holster. Initials and home state “ Montana “ script engraved on grip frame on it. The Sabine River Texas not to far from Shreveport Louisiana. Red River and Old Man River “ Big Muddy “.
@@TargetSuite Hello my firearms appreciation expert friend. My River the mighty Mo, Missouri. Best wishes from big sky country. Not far from the three forks of the Missouri that combine to form that river system. The Madison, Jefferson, Gallatin rivers. Lombard Montana the rail bridge across the Missouri not far down stream. The Milwaukee road ran through this gorgeous area of blue ribbon trout fishing. One must experience it to see the beauty. In those days their pride of the line passenger train pulled vista dome coaches through the area. Would have been heaven on earth to glide along through such magnificent terrain. As a boy I got to experience It on the beautiful Main Street on the Northwest the Northern Pacific’s adjacent tracks that veered south at that bridge, north side of river, vista domes as well resplendent in two tone green with white band colors. My what wonderful things those streamlined trains were. Every employee on them was a consummate professional of their job including wonderful cooks. I miss those days but remember them well. A tip of the hat to the gulf coast area stay strong in the heavy rain and hurricanes that seem to target the southern states.
Great video. I have an 1894c made in 2018 despite living in the UK, it will be interesting to strip it down and compare it with those two older models. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with the build quality and performance of it so far.
That's great news! I didn't know that was possible in the UK. I was going to release a new video this morning on the 1894 but had weather and equipment problems, so that will have to wait till next week. Stay tuned. . .
Well hi there George, I just stumbled across your Channel and got to say I like it. Several years ago I found a Marlin 1894 357 made in 1979 the first year for the 357 and it run butter smooth, I love it. I cast my own bullets so the sky is the limit for me although my 1911 is still my favorite. So I did subscribe to you, we’re just a couple of old bucks. You got a few years on me but not many. Check some of the stuff I’ve done, not all guns but what I need to do in life. Enough yakking have a good New Year . Harry
I`ve had a couple of the 1894`s. One was a DU 32-20, and the other was a pistol grip .44. I bought both of them new and took several deer with the .44 and gas checked semi-wadcutters. All I have left is the stainless .308 MXLR, which has taken about ten deer. Once you hunt with a good lever rifle, it`s tough to go back to a bolt gun.
Thanks for the video! I just bought one of these - 2020 production in 45 Colt for Cowboy action Shooting. It is definitely smooooooth! The only mod I made is t replace the safety with a saddle ring. OK, it's not quite as smooth an action as my original 92 Winchester (made in 1893) but it certainly is smooth! Hoping the cowboy competitions open up again soon!! Stay well!
You earned my sub with this video. it's always difficult to go against the 'internet paradigm', which you have successfully done. I was lucky enough to get the inside scoop from a friend at a gunshop -- that "Marlin" had gotten their act together after a very rocky start under Freedom Group/ In 2018, I really wanted to lever gun. I got a 1894c (357) and liked it so much, I got a 1894 in 44, and liked it so much, I got a 336. To add to your data on the new rifles, all 3 of mine have been pretty excellent, with the exception of a front site insert on the 357 that was a bit botched. But that came off anyway and was replaced by a Skinner front sight. The wood, while not quite the grade as the old ones, and not sanded/finished as well - does have the checkering, which I really like. The action on my 3 samples are all very smooth as well. As I understand, the rifling on the new ones works better with the newer bullet designs. While I still understand how people love the old ones, and I do as well, the new ones certainly have their advantages, and are made pretty well now.
I have a 336 made in 1983 and an 1894 made in 2006. Both are really nice. Not quite as smooth as my Henry, but almost. I’m definitely going to try to find a new Ruger made rifle also, maybe a stainless/ all weather model. Anyway, great videos. 👍👍
That sounds like a very nice 336, from the heyday of Marlin quality manufacturing. I was born in 1950 and would like to have one from that year, in 35 Remingtion. The 336's made between 1948 and 1952 were called "waffle tops" because of a wavy pattern machined into the top of the receiver.
Hey mate.. I am really enjoying your videos.. im a new marlin lever owner csbl 44 and this is my first larger cal rifle.. other than 22.. love my rifle.. your videos are very informative and the way they are presented is very friendly and impartial. Good work.. sub from me
Glad you returned that 1894 clunker for this one.Could you do a I disassemble and reassembled of a Marlin 1894 44 mag. I am picking one up this weekend.And would love to be able to tear in down and clean and oil it up proper.And you do it so easily
Wow! I wish I could help, but that "smooth" rifle wouldn't group no matter what load I threw at it, so it is gone as well. You don't happen to live in the Houston are by chance, do you?
Hopefully I'll have another 1894 before then and would do a disassembly video asap. But I have to tell you, it is really easy to get the bolt out to clean the bore from the breach end. Or you can do what a lot of guys do and that is use a bore snake.
Target Suite yes I had a 336 in 35 Remington sadly gave that to a coworker it hit like a mule and I was a lot thinner then you are right about taking the bolt out but the one that I am picking up has some rust and pitting. I will try to upload a short videos to explain it Thanks for getting back to me. The shooting and reloading folks are fantastic !!!!
I also have a 1974 Vintage 1894 in 44 Mag and I also have a 2016 1894 in 45 LC. the newer one is an LE and is a looker. After watching the Video I decided to take the "74"apart and have a look. I bought it used last spring and haven't gone through it. I found that most of the milling on mine was much smoother than your sample. Most likely because milling cutters get dull and manufacturers want to run then to the limit and the finish on the parts goes down hill quick. Mine has the cheesy ejector and the extractor end is the same folded over construction. But there are plenty of burrs and sharp edges that can use a little "tuning up" Thanks for posting the Video.
I have an 1981 1894C pre-safety, an 1894CL with safety from the early 90s, and a 2001 1894P with safety. It would be cool to compare the progression from the last pre-safety 1894s through receivership, and Remington's initial models and their final product.
Have one myself. Never had a problem. Shoots strait. It's stamped jm shots very good. Exspessible with hornady bullets. But the 444 marlin is king!!!. I simply love it.
Hi Tim. Don't give up on Marlin. I've handled a few new ones and they were nice. Plus, Ruger has taken over Marlin and we should be seeing new guns from them in 2021.
I just a just started work on a 1972 model 1894 in 44 Mag. Its had a thorough strip down and clean. The action is reasonably smooth except for some stiffness right at the very start of down stroke on the lever. The top of the hammer and the underside of the bolt are in good shape. Do you have any thoughts on any other bearing surfaces or issues that could be the cause of the stiffness? Great Channel. Keep up the good work!
I just bought a 1894 44mag (manf 1978) it's a beauty, but I found that the stamped forend tip tenon was broken in half which from what I read is not that uncommon. I would like to replace it with a milled tenon and I've checked all the usual places, but they are very difficult to find. You have any advice about finding one?
Great video thanks for posting. The only problem I have is that you didn't make your point. You compared one old firearm to an older one. I think that when people talk about older firearm being better than most newer ones they are comparing the same model old verses new. In most cases I believe they are correct because many companies were sold to companies that don't give a shit about firearms their only concern is making a profit. For example Remington model 51 380 ACP was first manufacturered about 100 years ago was a marvel for it's time made with no screws & 3 safeties. It had a short lifespan do to economics a 380 colt was 3 to 5 dollars less and it didn't sell well. A few years ago Remington brought it out again but it was full of problems and recals. The same thing with Colt coming out with the 357 Python. What both have in common is that they are not produced by the original company that developed the first one only their names. By the way I gave you the 👍 and subscribed because it's obvious that you know what you're talking about and I enjoyed your presentation, no BS but very informative, thanks again.
Hi Luis. Making videos is a skill that I am still "developing"😄 And there have been other times as well where I have failed to really connect all the dots. But I hope it's getting better. Thanks for the comment, and the sub!
I've been a firearms dealer for 15 years and have bought,sold and shot countless marlins. They're all over the place through the years in qc. Most all work and look just fine though. I had an unfired 1977 336a that especially showed flaws. Sloppy, loose, machining marks everywhere. Worst of all, the front sight was at 11 oclock position......Probably why it remained unfired all those years! Personally, I find most of the very early 90's guns to be a good compromise of value and build quality.
Thanks! I really appreciate your perspective. A lot of guys seem to think that JM Marlins were the equivalent of Swiss watches. And that's just not the case. Great Guns and I love them but you are right QC could be a little sketchy at times.
I have a late "JM" 336, and it has a bit of rough workmanship. I bought it used, took it totally apart, cleaned it real good and refinished the stock and forearm. I did see rough machining, but it worked well so I did not mess with it. It is reliable, and very accurate. I have to say that my 1894 in 357 (made in 2018) is my smoothest Marlin, but that is not a fair comparison (due to the smaller caliber), I just mention it because if you get the right Remlin, they can be nice rifles. Check them over carefully before putting your money down.
I played lots of positive comments about the current generation of Marlin lever guns. But you are right about older guns. Be careful and choose wisely. I can't wait to see what Ruger does with Marlin Firearms now that ownership has changed once again.
It sounds as if we purchased 94's of the same family. Mine wouldn't reliability feed cartridges into the chamber. Worked a bit better turned on its side with the ejection port up and liberally lubed with motorcycle chain lubed and cycled like you were mad. Additionally the front sight was also falling off. A few years after buying it Marlin came out with a Tune Up Offer (late 1970's). After setting it up with Marlin I sent my 94 back with a list of it's ailments. When my rifle was returned it was a whole different animal. Most all the "action" components were replaced, and the front sight fixed. It was now as smooth as glass, would digest most any ammo as rapidly as you could shoot it. I always believed that my rife had somehow slipped through the cracks with quality control, but perhaps there was a period where Marlin's quality had slipped and the "Tune Up" was a chance to make it right.
Hi Kenneth. That explains a lot ! ! ! Since I didn't own an 1894 in the late 70s I never heard of the "tune up". But I have owned three. The first I bought in 1973 when I was in the Army. I don't remember any specific issues with it, but I do remember being disappointed that it was not smooth like my Model 39a. I sold that rifle a couple of years later. The other two 94s I've owned, I have featured in videos and you know about them. One thing not covered in the videos is that I traded my last 1894 for the Ruger Carbine I featured a month ago on this channel. That 94 worked really well, but the accuracy was just not what I needed. Plenty good for the guy I traded for, he just wanted to shoot hogs, but not for me. Do you have any information or documentation on that Tune up offer? I would like to share that to the viewers some day.
@@TargetSuite There are many comments about the 1894 Marlin 44 mag that say the bore is a couple thousandths larger in some guns. 0.432 versus 0.430 and as such, the groups are poor. It takes sizing the bullet to fit the gun to fix the issue apparently. I plan to slug the barrel on mine soon just to find out what it has as it seems to shoot okay. However, you made a great deal if you got a scare Ruger for a Marlin lever gun.
@@TargetSuitejust though I would let you know that I felt like 1978 was the last good year of Marlin’s Quality control . 1979 was not a good year for quality control and a lot of the gun companies. Across-the-board I think anything pre-78 and 78 what are your better years for quality guns I would say late 60s and early 70s we’re good years for gun making in America 19 6970 Marlin Golden 39A was wonderful. I guess I got lucky in 2003 with a 1894 in FG .41 magnum beautiful Black Walnut stock and shoots very well .
The 1894 is notorious for the dreaded "Marlin Jam". That is characterized by the carrier allowing two rounds to pop out of the mag tube at once. I never had that happen but there is plenty of content on YT to help you through that issue. Just search form "dreaded Marlin Jam".
Found your video interesting because I own a 1976 Marlin 336C in .30-30 which is my favorite I own that has the rough chatter marks inside the receiver but no where near as bad as what you showed, on the lever where it scissors into the receiver and on the outside of the receiver on the thin ridge where it meets the stock. The rifle is smooth however with zero issues so that good but was interesting to see your video nonetheless. Nice work on that….
The magazine relief cut on my 1973 336 was also poorly done. I had to do quite a bit og filing to remove that tension on the mag tube. I think little things like contribute to the vertical stringing issues that some rifles exhibit. BTW your videos should be required viewing for all Marlin and Winchester lever gun owners.
How in the world did that 1974 make it through Quality check? (Rhetorical question.) Enjoy your videos! Right now I’m weighing the differences in used lever action .308’s vs 45-70’s. I will eventually pull the trigger on one of them. Any thoughts/preferences? Thanks!
Hi Bob when you talk about a lever action 308 I'm guessing you're talking about the Henry Long Ranger or an old Winchester 88. I guess the answer would be in your application. Because the 308 and the 45-70 they hunt in two different arenas to a large degree
If one talks about manufacturing errors, the cause for "dreaded Marlin jam" would be first thing adressed in my opinion. I am surprised you didnt even check for any ditch in the carrier at the lever turnpoint and sharp edge on lever?
Being totally honest, when I made this video almost two years ago I was not aware of the Marlin Jam. I had never had an 1894 that had that symptom. But it was people in the comments that made me aware of the issue and then I really did my homework. I will be sure and ask Ruger when I get to SHOT show this year if that design flaw has been addressed. Thanks for your comment!
Is this across the board , 1974 compared to 1979 or is it possible that the Machinist on board that particular day was not as Diligent in quality control as possibly another machinist, , is it possible ? Thank you for the video , I’m looking at a 1964 Marlin M 336 in 44 mag “ Micro- rifling “
I think it was an anomaly, not an indication of overall brand quality. Truth is, rifles with problems probably get passed around time and again, where the sweet ones find a home and stay there.
It was a mystery to me why that rifle would have so many problems. But in fairness to Marlin, all manufacturers have a few bad apples that slip through the cracks. Moral of the story . . . if you buy online make sure there is a satisfactory return policy. Thanks for the comment Hank!
Haha! Good catch. Those are screwdriver tips I have modified for specific firearms. Red indicates it fits screws on my Winchester 1886. White is for screws on the Marlin 1894. Red and white means it works on both.
... one big advantage the Winchester and clone model 92s in pistol calibres have over the Marlin 1894s is that they are available from the factory in takedown models ... to get a takedown Marlin you have to go to a custom gun shop like WWG and lay down $5K or more ... never understood why Marlin would never budge on this marketing oversight/shortfall????
The last video I uploaded three days ago was about the new Winchester 1892 44 Magnum I just bought (new old stock from 1996). It replaced this particular Marlin 1894 which although smooth, couldn't hit a dinner plate at 100 yards. My next Marlin purchase will be a 1950-ish 336 waffle-top in 35 Remington. I'm really looking forward to that. Maybe later this year.
I’ve seen where these can have feeding issues if they’re tilted to the side(meaning the bullet can fall out before being pushed into the chamber, after the spent cartridge is ejected) Is that an issue for yours, or have you gotten used to it somehow? Mostly asking because I’m doing a bit of research before I buy one
Josh you are right about the feeding issue. If you cycle slowly with the rifle on its side the round will jam or fall out. But that is such an extreme condition I wouldn't worry about it too much . . . unless you are planning to hunt dangerous game.
I'd be more concerned with the poor design of the iron sights.........A nice blade and square notch on the rear would be superior. More than once I've milled the front blade square and cut off the ridiculous ears on the rear.
Yes, I wouldn't take one to a vintage gun fashion show with a scope on it, but as a tool in the woods a light low Power Scope on a lever gun makes it just about perfect!😎
Love it brotha just purchased a Marlin 1894 made in 1980 cant wait for it to get here love the history an information thank you !!
My 44mag jm stamped 94 was made in 1994 the year I was born, it was a birthday gift my great grandad got me and gave to me my 10th birthday.
As you know, when people talk about quality of rifles over time, they/we're usually talking in decades, not in a few years time. I'm very surprised to see the QC differences in a Marlin between 1974 and '79. I have a Marlin 1894 in .357 mag circa 1983. I'm thankful it's post the mid-70's era.
I was surprised too. I really expected the older model would be better. But I talked to Adam at Ranger Point Precision afterwards. He has done a lot of work on Marlins and he said there were some pretty big swings in "quality" even in those earlier years of the 1894.
I agree. I consider most guns from the 70's to 80's to all be suspect. It's back in the 60's and earlier that I expect them to have been better made(with some wartime exceptions). A couple years would indicate poor quality control and not an age thing.
Do you know how much a marlin 1894 chambered in, 44, 40, would go for nowadays 2022 PS it was made in 1980
I think we share a taste in firearms. I also have a Marlin 1894, but it's a CB version. It's a Rimlin as they call them. It functions ok but you can't operate the lever with one finger and it's really raw on the inside. So that's gone be a project for a day when I'm borred. I have 3 Winchesters (1892, 1886, 1866) and 1 Marlin (1894CB). There is no doubt in my mind that the next leveraction rifle I will buy is going to be another Winchester from Miroku (1873). They are really awesome. Super quality.
Thank you very much for the video. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you as well. I'd love to hear more about that '73 when you get it.
Just found this video George. Really timely for me as this rifle is on my radar. Thank you!
Thanks! I will be looking for one of the new ones later this year. Can't wait!
@@TargetSuite I broke down and bought a 2002 JM 1894 44mag in Stainless on Sunday. It looks 🍒 Can’t wait for it to arrive! I guess my first new Marlin will have to be a 39A .
That's awesome. Let me know (probably not here) how it looks / and shoots.
Bought my marlin 30-30 in 73 or 74 still use it, has never had any issues or problems very accurate smooth operation perfect it’s a marlin 336
Sounds like a sweet one!
Got a 2010 for $550 and inspecting the internals with a jeweler's loupe found a lot of filing and scratch marks. Smoothed them out with a fine file, stone, and buff and the action is smooth. Also replaced the 'floppy' trigger.
highly underrated channel
I pulled my late 2019 to bits and the machining and fit are perfect thanks to the CNC machines they use to make it. I still had to polish the inside with paste because the bolt was tight to slick it up and cut the mag spring shorter to make loading easier [now holds 10 rounds in the tube]. No problem with 38 rounds feeding like old ones did. I think once they ironed out the bugs and set the computer program the CNC makes a perfect part every time. No more file to fit like the old ''handmade'' ones. So there you go, brand new is better than an old one.
Thanks! That was what I was hoping for. A new Marlin is on my grocery list. Can't wait.
I have a 2017 336 ss and after a little internal polishing it is super slick. It worked fine out of the box but now it’s silky smooth.
I am enjoying your videos. Great camera work and methodology.
Thanks! Hearing that from you is very encouraging! I enjoy your videos as well. In fact, I can't imagine watching anyone else but you shoot 200 rounds of 22lr through a Glock😄
I have a 80’s model and it is in great shape. I just installed the skinner express black and gold sites on it to match the gold trigger.Can’t wait to get it tuned in. After watching your video on the model 39A I ordered a set for it also. Thanks for the great content.
Thanks! You'll love the Skinner sights.
I'm surprised I missed this video. Both my 357 and 444 were manufactured in the early 80's. The 357 has always had a very smooth action. The 444 has needed some TLC. I'm getting quite adept at stripping them down now (thanks to you)
Glad to be of help. But I'm thinking of starting a 12 step program for guys like us to break the addiction.
@@TargetSuite please don't... lol I'm up to 15 levers, mostly Marlin, all different calibers, and I don't want cured.
My 1894 is a Cowboy. 24” octagon barrel in .45 Colt. So beautiful I had my gunsmith friend engrave my initials on left receiver side. Holds 11 rounds in tube. Has beautiful walnut that I hand burnish up to high luster. Early 2000s I’ll have to check date. Sling but not scoped. Deep blue and just an awesome rifle.
Side kick to my various wheel guns in same caliber including a Colt peacemaker. Fancy hand carved belt and holster. Initials and home state “ Montana “ script engraved on grip frame on it.
The Sabine River Texas not to far from Shreveport Louisiana.
Red River and Old Man River “ Big Muddy “.
Hey neighbor! That sounds like a beautiful rifle.
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Hello my firearms appreciation expert friend. My River the mighty Mo, Missouri. Best wishes from big sky country. Not far from the three forks of the Missouri that combine to form that river system. The Madison, Jefferson, Gallatin rivers. Lombard Montana the rail bridge across the Missouri not far down stream. The Milwaukee road ran through this gorgeous area of blue ribbon trout fishing. One must experience it to see the beauty.
In those days their pride of the line passenger train pulled vista dome coaches through the area. Would have been heaven on earth to glide along through such magnificent terrain.
As a boy I got to experience It on the beautiful Main Street on the Northwest the Northern Pacific’s adjacent tracks that veered south at that bridge, north side of river, vista domes as well resplendent in two tone green with white band colors. My what wonderful things those streamlined trains were.
Every employee on them was a consummate professional of their job including wonderful cooks.
I miss those days but remember them well.
A tip of the hat to the gulf coast area stay strong in the heavy rain and hurricanes that seem to target the southern states.
@Bill Bright As an older "boy" did you get to experience the rise of Union Pacific's Big Boy. His home is in Montana
Great video. I have an 1894c made in 2018 despite living in the UK, it will be interesting to strip it down and compare it with those two older models. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with the build quality and performance of it so far.
That's great news! I didn't know that was possible in the UK. I was going to release a new video this morning on the 1894 but had weather and equipment problems, so that will have to wait till next week. Stay tuned. . .
Well hi there George, I just stumbled across your Channel and got to say I like it. Several years ago I found a Marlin 1894 357 made in 1979 the first year for the 357 and it run butter smooth, I love it. I cast my own bullets so the sky is the limit for me although my 1911 is still my favorite. So I did subscribe to you, we’re just a couple of old bucks. You got a few years on me but not many. Check some of the stuff I’ve done, not all guns but what I need to do in life. Enough yakking have a good New Year . Harry
Thanks Harry. Hey, I watched your first video and I can tell, just like me, you have the knack th-cam.com/video/ySpOuaYwLQU/w-d-xo.html
@@TargetSuite LOL. Very funny. :)
Excellent and well presented content. Thank you!
Thanks I appreciate that. And thanks for watching!
I`ve had a couple of the 1894`s. One was a DU 32-20, and the other was a pistol grip .44. I bought both of them new and took several deer with the .44 and gas checked semi-wadcutters. All I have left is the stainless .308 MXLR, which has taken about ten deer. Once you hunt with a good lever rifle, it`s tough to go back to a bolt gun.
Thanks for the video! I just bought one of these - 2020 production in 45 Colt for Cowboy action Shooting. It is definitely smooooooth! The only mod I made is t replace the safety with a saddle ring. OK, it's not quite as smooth an action as my original 92 Winchester (made in 1893) but it certainly is smooth! Hoping the cowboy competitions open up again soon!! Stay well!
You earned my sub with this video. it's always difficult to go against the 'internet paradigm', which you have successfully done. I was lucky enough to get the inside scoop from a friend at a gunshop -- that "Marlin" had gotten their act together after a very rocky start under Freedom Group/ In 2018, I really wanted to lever gun. I got a 1894c (357) and liked it so much, I got a 1894 in 44, and liked it so much, I got a 336. To add to your data on the new rifles, all 3 of mine have been pretty excellent, with the exception of a front site insert on the 357 that was a bit botched. But that came off anyway and was replaced by a Skinner front sight. The wood, while not quite the grade as the old ones, and not sanded/finished as well - does have the checkering, which I really like. The action on my 3 samples are all very smooth as well. As I understand, the rifling on the new ones works better with the newer bullet designs. While I still understand how people love the old ones, and I do as well, the new ones certainly have their advantages, and are made pretty well now.
Thanks for the sub. And thanks for the report on the current state of Marlin rifles. That's good news!
I have a 336 made in 1983 and an 1894 made in 2006. Both are really nice. Not quite as smooth as my Henry, but almost. I’m definitely going to try to find a new Ruger made rifle also, maybe a stainless/ all weather model.
Anyway, great videos. 👍👍
Thanks. I appreciate that!
I have a 1953 336 in 30-30. Very slick nicely cared for. I know it sat in a closet for at least 25 years before i got it.
That sounds like a very nice 336, from the heyday of Marlin quality manufacturing. I was born in 1950 and would like to have one from that year, in 35 Remingtion. The 336's made between 1948 and 1952 were called "waffle tops" because of a wavy pattern machined into the top of the receiver.
Enjoying your videos.
Thanks!
Hey mate.. I am really enjoying your videos.. im a new marlin lever owner csbl 44 and this is my first larger cal rifle.. other than 22.. love my rifle.. your videos are very informative and the way they are presented is very friendly and impartial. Good work.. sub from me
Thanks Ricky. I appreciate the sub and the kind words!
Glad you returned that 1894 clunker for this one.Could you do a I disassemble and reassembled of a Marlin 1894 44 mag. I am picking one up this weekend.And would love to be able to tear in down and clean and oil it up proper.And you do it so easily
Wow! I wish I could help, but that "smooth" rifle wouldn't group no matter what load I threw at it, so it is gone as well. You don't happen to live in the Houston are by chance, do you?
Target Suite no I am on the East coast of New Jersey but we have a trip planned to Texas And Arizona next year so maybe
Hopefully I'll have another 1894 before then and would do a disassembly video asap. But I have to tell you, it is really easy to get the bolt out to clean the bore from the breach end. Or you can do what a lot of guys do and that is use a bore snake.
Target Suite yes I had a 336 in 35 Remington sadly gave that to a coworker it hit like a mule and I was a lot thinner then you are right about taking the bolt out but the one that I am picking up has some rust and pitting. I will try to upload a short videos to explain it Thanks for getting back to me. The shooting and reloading folks are fantastic !!!!
I also have a 1974 Vintage 1894 in 44 Mag and I also have a 2016 1894 in 45 LC. the newer one is an LE and is a looker. After watching the Video I decided to take the "74"apart and have a look. I bought it used last spring and haven't gone through it. I found that most of the milling on mine was much smoother than your sample. Most likely because milling cutters get dull and manufacturers want to run then to the limit and the finish on the parts goes down hill quick. Mine has the cheesy ejector and the extractor end is the same folded over construction. But there are plenty of burrs and sharp edges that can use a little "tuning up" Thanks for posting the Video.
Thanks for sharing your comments. And thanks for watching!
I have an 1981 1894C pre-safety, an 1894CL with safety from the early 90s, and a 2001 1894P with safety. It would be cool to compare the progression from the last pre-safety 1894s through receivership, and Remington's initial models and their final product.
That would be an awesome video. You don't live close to Houston or Shreveport by chance😉
@@TargetSuite If I did, I'd drive over...after the coming ice and snow storm is over. lol Good luck down there!
Have one myself. Never had a problem. Shoots strait. It's stamped jm shots very good. Exspessible with hornady bullets. But the 444 marlin is king!!!. I simply love it.
Got a 25. 35 winchester made 1905. And a 30 30 made 1907. Octagon barrels. Nothing like em.
Wow! That's some sweet guns.
This is december 26th 2020 and i was looking at a marlin 1894 in 44 magnum before i came across this video 🤣🤙
Hi Tim. Don't give up on Marlin. I've handled a few new ones and they were nice. Plus, Ruger has taken over Marlin and we should be seeing new guns from them in 2021.
I just a just started work on a 1972 model 1894 in 44 Mag. Its had a thorough strip down and clean. The action is reasonably smooth except for some stiffness right at the very start of down stroke on the lever. The top of the hammer and the underside of the bolt are in good shape. Do you have any thoughts on any other bearing surfaces or issues that could be the cause of the stiffness?
Great Channel. Keep up the good work!
Good videos. Subscribed...
Thanks!
I just bought a 1894 44mag (manf 1978) it's a beauty, but I found that the stamped forend tip tenon was broken in half which from what I read is not that uncommon. I would like to replace it with a milled tenon and I've checked all the usual places, but they are very difficult to find. You have any advice about finding one?
Great video thanks for posting. The only problem I have is that you didn't make your point. You compared one old firearm to an older one. I think that when people talk about older firearm being better than most newer ones they are comparing the same model old verses new. In most cases I believe they are correct because many companies were sold to companies that don't give a shit about firearms their only concern is making a profit. For example Remington model 51 380 ACP was first manufacturered about 100 years ago was a marvel for it's time made with no screws & 3 safeties. It had a short lifespan do to economics a 380 colt was 3 to 5 dollars less and it didn't sell well. A few years ago Remington brought it out again but it was full of problems and recals. The same thing with Colt coming out with the 357 Python. What both have in common is that they are not produced by the original company that developed the first one only their names. By the way I gave you the 👍 and subscribed because it's obvious that you know what you're talking about and I enjoyed your presentation, no BS but very informative, thanks again.
Hi Luis. Making videos is a skill that I am still "developing"😄 And there have been other times as well where I have failed to really connect all the dots. But I hope it's getting better. Thanks for the comment, and the sub!
I've been a firearms dealer for 15 years and have bought,sold and shot countless marlins. They're all over the place through the years in qc. Most all work and look just fine though. I had an unfired 1977 336a that especially showed flaws. Sloppy, loose, machining marks everywhere. Worst of all, the front sight was at 11 oclock position......Probably why it remained unfired all those years! Personally, I find most of the very early 90's guns to be a good compromise of value and build quality.
Thanks! I really appreciate your perspective. A lot of guys seem to think that JM Marlins were the equivalent of Swiss watches. And that's just not the case. Great Guns and I love them but you are right QC could be a little sketchy at times.
I have a late "JM" 336, and it has a bit of rough workmanship. I bought it used, took it totally apart, cleaned it real good and refinished the stock and forearm. I did see rough machining, but it worked well so I did not mess with it. It is reliable, and very accurate. I have to say that my 1894 in 357 (made in 2018) is my smoothest Marlin, but that is not a fair comparison (due to the smaller caliber), I just mention it because if you get the right Remlin, they can be nice rifles. Check them over carefully before putting your money down.
I played lots of positive comments about the current generation of Marlin lever guns. But you are right about older guns. Be careful and choose wisely. I can't wait to see what Ruger does with Marlin Firearms now that ownership has changed once again.
@@TargetSuite Well I have a Ruger M77 that is so well made!
It sounds as if we purchased 94's of the same family. Mine wouldn't reliability feed cartridges into the chamber. Worked a bit better turned on its side with the ejection port up and liberally lubed with motorcycle chain lubed and cycled like you were mad. Additionally the front sight was also falling off. A few years after buying it Marlin came out with a Tune Up Offer (late 1970's). After setting it up with Marlin I sent my 94 back with a list of it's ailments. When my rifle was returned it was a whole different animal. Most all the "action" components were replaced, and the front sight fixed. It was now as smooth as glass, would digest most any ammo as rapidly as you could shoot it. I always believed that my rife had somehow slipped through the cracks with quality control, but perhaps there was a period where Marlin's quality had slipped and the "Tune Up" was a chance to make it right.
Hi Kenneth. That explains a lot ! ! ! Since I didn't own an 1894 in the late 70s I never heard of the "tune up". But I have owned three. The first I bought in 1973 when I was in the Army. I don't remember any specific issues with it, but I do remember being disappointed that it was not smooth like my Model 39a. I sold that rifle a couple of years later. The other two 94s I've owned, I have featured in videos and you know about them. One thing not covered in the videos is that I traded my last 1894 for the Ruger Carbine I featured a month ago on this channel. That 94 worked really well, but the accuracy was just not what I needed. Plenty good for the guy I traded for, he just wanted to shoot hogs, but not for me. Do you have any information or documentation on that Tune up offer? I would like to share that to the viewers some day.
@@TargetSuite There are many comments about the 1894 Marlin 44 mag that say the bore is a couple thousandths larger in some guns. 0.432 versus 0.430 and as such, the groups are poor. It takes sizing the bullet to fit the gun to fix the issue apparently. I plan to slug the barrel on mine soon just to find out what it has as it seems to shoot okay. However, you made a great deal if you got a scare Ruger for a Marlin lever gun.
@@TargetSuitejust though I would let you know that I felt like 1978 was the last good year of Marlin’s
Quality control . 1979 was not a good year for quality control and a lot of the gun companies. Across-the-board I think anything pre-78 and 78 what are your better years for quality guns I would say late 60s and early 70s we’re good years for gun making in America 19 6970 Marlin Golden 39A was wonderful. I guess I got lucky in 2003 with a 1894 in FG .41 magnum beautiful Black Walnut stock and shoots very well .
You are correct. I have an Old Marlin jm 357, jams all the time. How do you fix that?
The 1894 is notorious for the dreaded "Marlin Jam". That is characterized by the carrier allowing two rounds to pop out of the mag tube at once. I never had that happen but there is plenty of content on YT to help you through that issue. Just search form "dreaded Marlin Jam".
444 marlin is a blaster. I love it. It's my baby!!!!!!!.
I collected Milsurp firearms, granted some were well used but older is definitely not always better!
Well said. Certainly my experience!
Found your video interesting because I own a 1976 Marlin 336C in .30-30 which is my favorite I own that has the rough chatter marks inside the receiver but no where near as bad as what you showed, on the lever where it scissors into the receiver and on the outside of the receiver on the thin ridge where it meets the stock. The rifle is smooth however with zero issues so that good but was interesting to see your video nonetheless. Nice work on that….
Thank you. Sounds like you've got a great Marlin model 336!
The magazine relief cut on my 1973 336 was also poorly done. I had to do quite a bit og filing to remove that tension on the mag tube. I think little things like contribute to the vertical stringing issues that some rifles exhibit. BTW your videos should be required viewing for all Marlin and Winchester lever gun owners.
Thanks David. I appreciate your comments.
Do you do this for people? I have a 1994 model that I am afraid to take apart lol.
How in the world did that 1974 make it through Quality check? (Rhetorical question.) Enjoy your videos! Right now I’m weighing the differences in used lever action .308’s vs 45-70’s. I will eventually pull the trigger on one of them. Any thoughts/preferences? Thanks!
Hi Bob when you talk about a lever action 308 I'm guessing you're talking about the Henry Long Ranger or an old Winchester 88. I guess the answer would be in your application. Because the 308 and the 45-70 they hunt in two different arenas to a large degree
@@TargetSuite There’s also the Browning BLR and the Savage 99. But your point still stands.
Oh how can I forget the Savage 99. It's in my mental shopping cart😁
If one talks about manufacturing errors, the cause for "dreaded Marlin jam" would be first thing adressed in my opinion.
I am surprised you didnt even check for any ditch in the carrier at the lever turnpoint and sharp edge on lever?
Being totally honest, when I made this video almost two years ago I was not aware of the Marlin Jam. I had never had an 1894 that had that symptom. But it was people in the comments that made me aware of the issue and then I really did my homework. I will be sure and ask Ruger when I get to SHOT show this year if that design flaw has been addressed. Thanks for your comment!
There is something amiss about that lever gun. Hmmm...oh! it's the scope!
Oh yeah! It's like a growth that needs to be removed! The doctor is on the way lol !
Is this across the board , 1974 compared to 1979 or is it possible that the Machinist on board that particular day was not as Diligent in quality control as possibly another machinist, , is it possible ? Thank you for the video , I’m looking at a 1964 Marlin M 336 in 44 mag “ Micro- rifling “
I think it was an anomaly, not an indication of overall brand quality. Truth is, rifles with problems probably get passed around time and again, where the sweet ones find a home and stay there.
Wonder if the 1974 vintage rifle was made on a Monday?
It was a mystery to me why that rifle would have so many problems. But in fairness to Marlin, all manufacturers have a few bad apples that slip through the cracks. Moral of the story . . . if you buy online make sure there is a satisfactory return policy. Thanks for the comment Hank!
lol no. It was made in the mid 70s. The 70's weren't all that of a great era for American manufacturing.
Amazing how much "better" the 1979 version is than the 1974 version. And btw, what are the colored dots on your screwdriver tips?
Haha! Good catch. Those are screwdriver tips I have modified for specific firearms. Red indicates it fits screws on my Winchester 1886. White is for screws on the Marlin 1894. Red and white means it works on both.
... one big advantage the Winchester and clone model 92s in pistol calibres have over the Marlin 1894s is that they are available from the factory in takedown models ... to get a takedown Marlin you have to go to a custom gun shop like WWG and lay down $5K or more ... never understood why Marlin would never budge on this marketing oversight/shortfall????
Almost hole in one at 100 meters.
nice video, I am a marlin guy, I was afraid you were going to try and say the new marlins are as good as the old ones there definitely not.
I don't have any experience with a current production Marlins. Maybe some day😉
@@TargetSuite Save yourself.. stick with pre safety
The last video I uploaded three days ago was about the new Winchester 1892 44 Magnum I just bought (new old stock from 1996). It replaced this particular Marlin 1894 which although smooth, couldn't hit a dinner plate at 100 yards. My next Marlin purchase will be a 1950-ish 336 waffle-top in 35 Remington. I'm really looking forward to that. Maybe later this year.
@@TargetSuite Email me if you like, I have some photos to send you, you may find interesting.. knightrace@mac.com Thanks, William
I’ve seen where these can have feeding issues if they’re tilted to the side(meaning the bullet can fall out before being pushed into the chamber, after the spent cartridge is ejected)
Is that an issue for yours, or have you gotten used to it somehow?
Mostly asking because I’m doing a bit of research before I buy one
Josh you are right about the feeding issue. If you cycle slowly with the rifle on its side the round will jam or fall out. But that is such an extreme condition I wouldn't worry about it too much . . . unless you are planning to hunt dangerous game.
Thank you! Appreciate it!
Man has never had a feeding issue it feeds smooth every time
From one of the CAS guys fixing a very old Marlin. Ejector spring fix. th-cam.com/video/WOXQiI9JFwo/w-d-xo.html
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Why did marlin/remington flattened the hood over the front sight, that is the only thing that bothers me about my SS336
Hi Brian. I think they did that to give a wider field of view under the hood.
I'd be more concerned with the poor design of the iron sights.........A nice blade and square notch on the rear would be superior.
More than once I've milled the front blade square and cut off the ridiculous ears on the rear.
As a whole, Remington made Marlins were junk. I'm certain that Ruger will do a proper job on this historically awesome rifle.
My thoughts as well. We'll find out here in about 6 months.
Scopes on lever actions is just plain wrong. Lol
Yes, I wouldn't take one to a vintage gun fashion show with a scope on it, but as a tool in the woods a light low Power Scope on a lever gun makes it just about perfect!😎