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Dont have the tp9, but after reading up on the trigger mechanism, i have to agree the apc9kg is the best. I have a apc9 and for competition i had to register it as a sbr (which is easy because it makes an awesome pcc sbr), Apc9k is the best for travel, i moved my brace that came on the apc9 to it. Perfect. Been on many trips. Apc9 sits in a safe waiting for a match. My only wish is that the 3 lug was integrated on the K. 1/2x28 isnt bad would like it integrated for 3 lug cans.
@@AXARMS thanks man! I’m pretty sure I’ve spied some of your sales on GunBroker recently unless I’m getting you confused with somebody else but yeah, I have a factory B&T TP9 SBR inbound so I’m looking at mounting options for the ACRO. I’m a new 07/02 but I don’t have a dealer account with Aimpoint so trying to find one at a decent price with a mount has been challenging as I want the FDE version.
A compact magazine in either platform lets it fit in a number of other smaller packs (if you're keeping the mag in the gun as opposed to just in the pack). I prefer the 15 round flush magazine in my TP9 with a couple standard 30s in the pack.
I had a steyr years ago, I asked a friend about buying a tp9 he told me it was a money pit. He said buy anything but the Tp9. He said you spend a ton of money on it, the a ton on the stock, sbr form 1 and the goofball grip. Then you have to shell out a bunch on the can. This is what he was telling me, knowing I have over 40 stamps and took 8 years to get my pkm and 5 building a RPD. So he knew I went through alot. I'm newer going the B&T route and have had invitations to meet the CEO and come into their office about 30 minutes up the road. I just have been resisting because I know I'll buy everything they make.
B&T makes some sweet looking guns. I know they’re pricey but damn they seem awesome. Those TP9’s are one of very few PCC’s that excite me. Probably because they’re so small that they actually make sense as a PDW that you can easily toss in a backpack without issue, or even slung under a jacket. The APC9 is also one that interests me because it’s very small and light. It reminds me of an MP5 but without all the added work to accessorize it. It comes with 1913 rails all over it. Sure, it’s blowback and not roller delayed but the way it comes ready to accept accessories without needing to change the handguard offsets that to me. It’s definitely not cheap, but I consider it a better deal than an SP5.
if they updated the tp9 to have a slightly longer stock, a modern muzzle device/suppressor adapter, and parhaps a bit more agressive charging handle, it's be a real mean machine
The trigger is lighter on the much larger platform and there is necessarily more rail space? To each their own but I’d lose it. The tp rocks and “should” be in 10mm, as it’s cleaner than the B&T G40
@@incubus12a And, upgraded internals, new magazine compatibility, a three lug suppressor interface, and side rail. - They took a very limited machine pistol and turned it into a modern PDW.
@@AXARMS I was carrying the TMP from 1994 till 1999. Very easy to cover it under the jacket or in hot weather to put it in a plastic bag when in public. (Never had to use it tho 😇). I love it!
@@incubus12a austrians are quite as good as the swiss when it comes to firearms. Ask an american to point Switzerland or Austria on a map, ahahaha. They'll show Sweden and Australia. Deez nuts.
Thanks for watching Tony. Also check out my newer videos covering the new APC9 Limited Line. I highly recommend that model. Also check out my website: AxArms.com
If ya like the TP9.. You'll love my MP-57. Basically the same thing kinda but smaller.. lighter.. and in a stronger 5.7 caliber. Can keep about the same amount of rounds in a smaller mag so easier to conceal. I may get a TP9 or something similar tho so I can shoot it cheaper tho. Great video bud
@@AXARMS sweet I'll deffo check into it. I think 5.7 is a very overlooked and underrated round. Hopefully PSA coughs out some decent new flavors of the round and gets more people into it with the caliber with the Rock 57 they're about to offer. I may snag one since it kinda shares Ruger mags. I posted a few quick videos with the 5.7 I have too if ya wanna see. I'll check ya out more when I get off work. Thanks bro later😎
Please clarify "stronger 5.7 caliber" I know you're not saying the 5.7 is more powerful than 9mm. I like 5.7. I have a couple guns chambered in it. But in no way is the 5.7 more powerful, or stronger, than 9mm, if that's what you were saying. And it seems like you were. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@BDEbaby Depends on how you look at it. Do the math for horsepower vs weight and I would wager the 57 is yes stronger, like how most all rifle ammo is stronger pound for pound vs heavy larger pistol ammo for its weight. I did kinda mispeak as I usually say this when discussing 57 vs the 4.6 MP7 and it's been so long since I commented I guess that is what I had on the brain when I said this. Honestly I don't recall even saying this lol. So while I did mispeak, there's ways it us yes. Plus being able to carry 2-3 57 rounds vs a heavier 9mm round is in many ways more power also. Then add in the fact the 57 applies all its energy to a smaller point of contact with it using a Spitzer bullet vs a wider slower bullet and it's apt to do more damage to a smaller spot, if that makes sense lol? I'm reaching here lol, but I'll have stand by my word choice and will allow ya to flog me tho if you feel so inclined on my word choice lol
B&T TP9 is a great for running with a long range setup. TP9 goes in a Holster, great instead of a Pistol to cover 100m and in, then I have my TRG42 338LM to go long Range. Have a Surefire XVL2 IR Laser/Illuminator with PVS-14’s a B&T Suppressor on the TP9 and a Banish 338 on the TRG42. Get a lot done at night if you wanted to.
The USW would be the better "in holster backup sbr". The tp9 is just a little too big for that sidearm role. The usw with the same side folding stock, on the other hand, would be perfect.
This is one of the best youtube channels. Great collection! I wish we saw some footage of them shooting. Trying to decide which pdw and pcc is best for me but gas in the face suppressed/unsuppressed is a big deciding factor for me. Also you mention the sig 7.62 can being the quietest can they make. Have you tried 300 subs out of a surefire socom 300?
Thank you I appreciate your support! If you are just trying to pick the best starter (but high quality) PDW I would recommend the APC9K-G or the GMC9C-G if you are interested please feel free to email me: sales@axarms.com - I have used surefire suppressors as well and they are also good performers but the 19 baffle Sig SRD762TI is particularly quiet.
@@AXARMS i know but I'm saying i see the role of something like a tp9 makes more sense and if your going to the size of a ghm9 then a 7in 300blk makes a lot more sense and you could at least defeated lvl2 body armor
Hello I purchased this from a Banana Republic Retail store, I believe it was called a waxed canvas bag. I’m not seeing it on their website it may have been discontinued.
Just got my APC9 pro, they went down on price significantly here in my city =) I think this is gonna be the one where I'm gonna bend the knee and pay my Tax for an SBR.. . I really want to go with a UMP stock and a BCM somewhat vert grip lol Already test fired with my Wolfman and yes.. this thing needs a stock.
Thanks! It’s the Steiner CQBL, it was originally designed for the HK MP7, ironically the HK MP7 was originally designed and inspired after the Steyr TMP- The B&T TP9 is an evolution of the Stery TMP- B&T purchase. the design from Stery.
On the APC9, You mentioned the K has a threaded barrel with an adaptor to a 3 lug. Can that adapter go on any threaded barrel and then use the tp9 suppressor and the adapter to the standard 3 lug?
@@taylorkutlass6220 right, I thought he had one and put it on an APC. So I’m wondering if I get a thread to 3 lug, will the tp9 suppressor work on any gun then?
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
@@AXARMS correct, the tp9 suppressor has an adapter to connect to a regular 3 lug right? If that’s the case, the with 2 adapter, I can pretty much connect to any gun…. In theory right?
It's obvious that the in grip magazine system will give you a shorter gun with same barrel length than a gun with dedicated magazine housing. The barrel starts from the grip area while on the other gun, the barrel starts from the dedicated magazine housing. So the length from the grip to magazine housing is non existent on the pistol type gun which make the gun really short and compact. I mean every csrbine should be made in this pistol type as there is no benefit of having a dedicated magazime housing other than a longer sight radius.
@@AXARMS both are equally fast. How does it being on the front makes it faster. You just have to press button or push a lever and then insert the new mag. Infact grip magazine reload is even faster as you can press the button with the grip hand itself and do the reload with your other hand. While in front magwell you have to do both the pressing of the button while holding the new mag and inserting it, doing both with your left hand only takes more time. That's it. Rest is your choice.
@@AXARMS coming back to you. Uzi got popular coz of it's compact design, conceal ability and hand to hand reload, even in the dark, reloading is possible and easy due to right to left hand position sensitivity. This was mentioned in marketing Uzi atleast, which means grip magwells are more ergonomically better. Just my opinion. Theres isnt a really specific beneficial reason for front magwell carbines other than good look. Rifles have longer rounds, so front magwell is understandable there, but on pistol round carbines, grip well is the best.
@@narendrairengbam112 The uzi is outdated, and not used today by any military or law enforcement for a reason. - Magwell grip fed guns are great for machine pistols or PDWs where a very small profile is one of the *most important design elements. But in general a primary submachinegun with a forward magazine well is superior, because reloads are faster, this is why the US Army and US Secret Service recently selected the B&T APC9K as their newest 9mm Submachinegun in their armory, for tasks such as diplomatic protection detail.
Nice comparison. Doesn’t look like the APC9 can be fired when the B&T telescoping stock is collapsed (blocks ejection port)..that’s too bad it’s designed that way.
One thing you mentioned is that these weapons are somehow more powerful than handguns of the same caliber. Exactly how is that? Slightly longer barrel maybe? Otherwise how is a 9 mm out of a short barreled PDW superior to a 9 mm out of a duty pistol? I can see advantages to a PDW, but the round itself is the same 9 mm, no? Maybe subsonic for use with a suppressor, But that would be even less powerful. You cannot change the laws of physics.
SBRs are more accurate than handguns, and have a higher mag capacity, which equates to more lethality. I didn’t say the 9mm was more powerful than when shot out of a handgun- but I did illustrate the above point.
What do you think if a company came out with an aftermarket lower for the APC that places a Glock magazine in the pistol grip? Mag release and bolt catch would be in a good spot. Safety would be a little different and the trigger would be somewhat of a bull pup style trigger like the TP9. The APC would still be pretty heavy.
To me, the real difference is one is kinda bulky and the other is a scam. PDWs should be made in fixed barrels unless its a Flux MP17. no excuse for a rotating barrel. But I see why you made your points.
@@AXARMS true, and I dont judge those who buy it, I just think B&T could have dont better. The maxim 9 pistol, is even smaller and its not meant to be a pdw, but was able to have a fixed barrell design. I feel if B&T took there time, they could have had some sort of fixed barrel and give the same type of package far greater accuraccy. The APC9 i feel missed out on multiple things that should have been done, mlock rails or somthing simuler on both sides, a fixed barrel design with a delay mechanism, even the trigger, some owners I heard were able to improve it by using a dremel on a couple parts of the trigger peices without any damage. Again I dont judge those who buy and review it. Even some of my favorite gun tubers use the APC9 alot. Then again you could say Im a gun snob because I think the external piton design on guns are obsolete.
@@AXARMS Yeah i try not but I just cant seem to make enough for the things I'd like to experience in life. Kinda why I love seeing ur vids, sorta living vicariously thru what you & other guntubers have. I'd love to have anything from b&t. But serving & working warehouses isnt getting me any closer. I want to switch things up just dont know what cuz you need some sort of schooling or degree/certifications to make any good money it seems.
I would like your opinion. If you had to have one for a woman who is left handed and her right arm is severely disabled would the TP9 be better suited because of its weight? She can shoot a standard pistol just fine and wants to get into a different platform but every AR ive been able to put together has been too unfriendly for her. Thanks.
Everyone rags on the trigger, if you have ever shot a bull pup you would understand the feel, it’s not a great trigger but for me it’s not a deal breaker.
Having one of these without full auto is completely useless, might as well just have a regular striker fired pistol. Now I mean useless as in what’s the point? Why not just get a rifle caliber pistol?
@AXARMS i think, if you have a mp5 , a g3 clone , a pump gun in 12/70 and a combat 9 mm pistol you have exactly what you need to defend all you have to defend. All of them use easy to obtain ammunition and have proven mechanics.
I have a post sample MP5 Submachinegun it’s a smooth shooter, but the ergonomics and optic mounting options are very outdated. And it’s less mechanically reliable than the APC9.
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This dude has some of the best info out there. Appreciate the great content man can not tell you enough how much I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
Thank you Cory I appreciate your feedback and I’m glad you enjoyed the content.
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I found that the APC9Kpro is the best compromise between the two for my use. Good video
The APC9K is a great option.
Dont have the tp9, but after reading up on the trigger mechanism, i have to agree the apc9kg is the best. I have a apc9 and for competition i had to register it as a sbr (which is easy because it makes an awesome pcc sbr), Apc9k is the best for travel, i moved my brace that came on the apc9 to it. Perfect. Been on many trips. Apc9 sits in a safe waiting for a match. My only wish is that the 3 lug was integrated on the K. 1/2x28 isnt bad would like it integrated for 3 lug cans.
@@llamagetchya4118comes with a 3 lug adapter
ditto.
We're trying out the KH9 Covert and so far its a nice compact option for say a Truck Door pocket, etc
I would like to see the TP9 at the range with and with out the suppressor. Awesome!
@@michaelsutton9462 thank you!
What mount do you have on that APC? the QD mount for the ACRO. Thanks in advance!
Hey man I’m a fan of your videos. That’s a Gen 1 B&T Acro 39mm QD mount. It’s been discontinued and replaced with a skeletonized version.
@@AXARMS thanks man! I’m pretty sure I’ve spied some of your sales on GunBroker recently unless I’m getting you confused with somebody else but yeah, I have a factory B&T TP9 SBR inbound so I’m looking at mounting options for the ACRO. I’m a new 07/02 but I don’t have a dealer account with Aimpoint so trying to find one at a decent price with a mount has been challenging as I want the FDE version.
A compact magazine in either platform lets it fit in a number of other smaller packs (if you're keeping the mag in the gun as opposed to just in the pack). I prefer the 15 round flush magazine in my TP9 with a couple standard 30s in the pack.
I enjoy the flush fit magazines as well. ;)
Depending on if you need a PDW or PCC style platform. Two are built for briefly different purposes.
I had a steyr years ago, I asked a friend about buying a tp9 he told me it was a money pit. He said buy anything but the Tp9. He said you spend a ton of money on it, the a ton on the stock, sbr form 1 and the goofball grip. Then you have to shell out a bunch on the can.
This is what he was telling me, knowing I have over 40 stamps and took 8 years to get my pkm and 5 building a RPD. So he knew I went through alot. I'm newer going the B&T route and have had invitations to meet the CEO and come into their office about 30 minutes up the road. I just have been resisting because I know I'll buy everything they make.
It sounds like you need to become one of my customers. ;) check out AXARMS.com
Your friend was giving you sound advice....sadly it's advice I just can't quite listen to.
You’ve helped me decide.
I will get both. (Going to university is overrated - this video helped me decide that my kids don’t need to go… 😉)
This is the right choice, tell the kids to earn a scholarship. 🤣🤣🤣
B&T makes some sweet looking guns. I know they’re pricey but damn they seem awesome. Those TP9’s are one of very few PCC’s that excite me. Probably because they’re so small that they actually make sense as a PDW that you can easily toss in a backpack without issue, or even slung under a jacket. The APC9 is also one that interests me because it’s very small and light. It reminds me of an MP5 but without all the added work to accessorize it. It comes with 1913 rails all over it. Sure, it’s blowback and not roller delayed but the way it comes ready to accept accessories without needing to change the handguard offsets that to me. It’s definitely not cheap, but I consider it a better deal than an SP5.
Thanks for the walk around,, I would like to see that CQBL activated by that MODbutton.
Check out my last video upload I activated it in that video.
if they updated the tp9 to have a slightly longer stock, a modern muzzle device/suppressor adapter, and parhaps a bit more agressive charging handle, it's be a real mean machine
The trigger is lighter on the much larger platform and there is necessarily more rail space? To each their own but I’d lose it. The tp rocks and “should” be in 10mm, as it’s cleaner than the B&T G40
TP9 is actually Steyr TMP (Taktische Maschinenpistole/Tactical Machine Pistol) and it’s made in 1992. In 2001 Steyr Mannlicher sold the design to B&T.
Yes and no, is it based off of the Steyr- Yes. Is it the same, not really B&T overhauled and modernized the older design when they developed the MP9.
@@AXARMS Yes, it now has a picatinny rail and folding stock. 😁
@@incubus12a And, upgraded internals, new magazine compatibility, a three lug suppressor interface, and side rail. - They took a very limited machine pistol and turned it into a modern PDW.
@@AXARMS I was carrying the TMP from 1994 till 1999. Very easy to cover it under the jacket or in hot weather to put it in a plastic bag when in public. (Never had to use it tho 😇).
I love it!
@@incubus12a austrians are quite as good as the swiss when it comes to firearms.
Ask an american to point Switzerland or Austria on a map, ahahaha.
They'll show Sweden and Australia.
Deez nuts.
You can press down/forward (Press into the lever) to actuate the x400 light and laser, instead of moving the lever up/down
Yeah no kidding.
SMH CC whatever crazy stuff I’m thinking about Guns you have a video for it 👍🏾
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoy the content.
Great review for commonality, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching l!
The APC Pro does pack 'lbs!' PLUS what you mount to a 9mm Chassis. It is the best shooting firearm ( in its class.) That I have ....
Yes I agree it’s top tier!
Great taste my man! Best solution- get both!
Indeed!
Love your vids man! 👍
Thank you! I appreciate it!
That was an excellent and informative video, thanks. I will purchase the pro.
Thanks for watching Tony. Also check out my newer videos covering the new APC9 Limited Line. I highly recommend that model. Also check out my website: AxArms.com
@@AXARMS Thank you very much .
Love your videos would love to see you in action with the mcx!
Thanks!
Tp9 is like one of those weapons you conceal carry with your suit to protect a Presidential figure
Banana Republic Bag! 😝 cant say i have seen that before..Very cool
Yes it’s perfect! 🤙
Beautiful guns and nice video
Thank you for watching!
tp9 setup is badass man🔥
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If ya like the TP9.. You'll love my MP-57. Basically the same thing kinda but smaller.. lighter.. and in a stronger 5.7 caliber. Can keep about the same amount of rounds in a smaller mag so easier to conceal. I may get a TP9 or something similar tho so I can shoot it cheaper tho. Great video bud
Thanks for watching, if you have a look at my other videos you will see I have quite a few guns chambered in 5.7mm it’s a great cartridge.
@@AXARMS sweet I'll deffo check into it. I think 5.7 is a very overlooked and underrated round. Hopefully PSA coughs out some decent new flavors of the round and gets more people into it with the caliber with the Rock 57 they're about to offer. I may snag one since it kinda shares Ruger mags. I posted a few quick videos with the 5.7 I have too if ya wanna see. I'll check ya out more when I get off work. Thanks bro later😎
Please clarify "stronger 5.7 caliber"
I know you're not saying the 5.7 is more powerful than 9mm.
I like 5.7. I have a couple guns chambered in it. But in no way is the 5.7 more powerful, or stronger, than 9mm, if that's what you were saying. And it seems like you were. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@BDEbaby Depends on how you look at it. Do the math for horsepower vs weight and I would wager the 57 is yes stronger, like how most all rifle ammo is stronger pound for pound vs heavy larger pistol ammo for its weight.
I did kinda mispeak as I usually say this when discussing 57 vs the 4.6 MP7 and it's been so long since I commented I guess that is what I had on the brain when I said this. Honestly I don't recall even saying this lol.
So while I did mispeak, there's ways it us yes. Plus being able to carry 2-3 57 rounds vs a heavier 9mm round is in many ways more power also. Then add in the fact the 57 applies all its energy to a smaller point of contact with it using a Spitzer bullet vs a wider slower bullet and it's apt to do more damage to a smaller spot, if that makes sense lol?
I'm reaching here lol, but I'll have stand by my word choice and will allow ya to flog me tho if you feel so inclined on my word choice lol
I know this is an older video but 2 questions. Are you happy with that laser setup on the tp9 and any input or issues with ammo types?
Yes it’s excellent for this platform. I haven’t had any ammo problems.
I really love the bag! Can you give me more info? Awesome video, thanks :)
@@jackie87430 Thanks. I randomly found that in BR about 5 years ago. It used to be available on their website but I think they discontinued it.
B&T TP9 is a great for running with a long range setup. TP9 goes in a Holster, great instead of a Pistol to cover 100m and in, then I have my TRG42 338LM to go long Range. Have a Surefire XVL2 IR Laser/Illuminator with PVS-14’s a B&T Suppressor on the TP9 and a Banish 338 on the TRG42. Get a lot done at night if you wanted to.
Uhhhhmmm take it easy there partner 😂
@@GriptheGlick Well you could, could you not? 🤫🤣 Sig 716 DMR for the 200-800/1000 then the TRG42 for 1000+ one man wrecking ball 🏳️
The USW would be the better "in holster backup sbr". The tp9 is just a little too big for that sidearm role. The usw with the same side folding stock, on the other hand, would be perfect.
I like both ...more lethal than hand gun category
This is one of the best youtube channels. Great collection! I wish we saw some footage of them shooting. Trying to decide which pdw and pcc is best for me but gas in the face suppressed/unsuppressed is a big deciding factor for me.
Also you mention the sig 7.62 can being the quietest can they make. Have you tried 300 subs out of a surefire socom 300?
Thank you I appreciate your support! If you are just trying to pick the best starter (but high quality) PDW I would recommend the APC9K-G or the GMC9C-G if you are interested please feel free to email me: sales@axarms.com
- I have used surefire suppressors as well and they are also good performers but the 19 baffle Sig SRD762TI is particularly quiet.
@@AXARMS thanks for your help and even offering to help! ❤️🤙
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Is that the 22 mm ACRO mount?
I see the practicality of the small pdw role of the tp9... But the ghm9 seems like you could do a 7in 300blk and at least defeat level 2 soft armor.
300 BLK ammunition is significantly heavier than 9mm, and a magwell fed design isn’t viable outside of prototypes. It is a cool idea though.
Also the GHM9 isn’t offers in .300 BLK.
@@AXARMS i know but I'm saying i see the role of something like a tp9 makes more sense and if your going to the size of a ghm9 then a 7in 300blk makes a lot more sense and you could at least defeated lvl2 body armor
Would you mind giving me the model number of that bag? And/or a link to where I might purchase it? Thank you. I have that exact same gun.
Hello I purchased this from a Banana Republic Retail store, I believe it was called a waxed canvas bag. I’m not seeing it on their website it may have been discontinued.
Just got my APC9 pro, they went down on price significantly here in my city =)
I think this is gonna be the one where I'm gonna bend the knee and pay my Tax for an SBR.. .
I really want to go with a UMP stock and a BCM somewhat vert grip lol
Already test fired with my Wolfman and yes.. this thing needs a stock.
Nice congratulations!
what laser are you running on the tp9? Looks to be perfect as you cant fit a full size laser with the folding stock
Thanks! It’s the Steiner CQBL, it was originally designed for the HK MP7, ironically the HK MP7 was originally designed and inspired after the Steyr TMP- The B&T TP9 is an evolution of the Stery TMP- B&T purchase. the design from Stery.
Where did you pick up your Acro from? Trying to pick up a P2 but they are sold out everywhere.
I want a P2 as well!
Both if you can they both fill niche roles.
On the APC9, You mentioned the K has a threaded barrel with an adaptor to a 3 lug. Can that adapter go on any threaded barrel and then use the tp9 suppressor and the adapter to the standard 3 lug?
TP9 supressor has different proprietary 3 lug then thr APC/GHM. You need an adapter from B&T to run it on a different gun.
@@taylorkutlass6220 right, I thought he had one and put it on an APC. So I’m wondering if I get a thread to 3 lug, will the tp9 suppressor work on any gun then?
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
@@AXARMS correct, the tp9 suppressor has an adapter to connect to a regular 3 lug right? If that’s the case, the with 2 adapter, I can pretty much connect to any gun…. In theory right?
Nice video sir. Who makes the bag?
Thanks, Banana Republic makes the bag fast forward to the end for details.
How do those Red dots stack up against the Rmr? Do they have a bigger window?
They are superior, more durable, and the optic clarity with aimpoint products is unparalleled.
Question? TP9- N require Tax Stamp ? i have APC9K pro came with telescopic brace i see yours with foregrip you need Tax stamp also?
Yes it’s an SBR
i bought the apc ….thought there was more advantages with a little longer barrel, i’m no going to carry it
The biggest reason I’ve seen for the tp9 hate is the factory can only.
Yeah that’s definitely an area of contention.
Imagine how sweet this unit would be if they did the same thing as with the Station 6-9 where the magazine is the hand grip.
So when the Secret service carries PDWs they are not duty grade weapons?
The secret service currently carries the HK MP7, or the APC9K.
Can you add a telescopic brace to the TP9?
yes
would you happen to know if either the blast deflectors they make fit on the APC9?
They do not
It's obvious that the in grip magazine system will give you a shorter gun with same barrel length than a gun with dedicated magazine housing. The barrel starts from the grip area while on the other gun, the barrel starts from the dedicated magazine housing. So the length from the grip to magazine housing is non existent on the pistol type gun which make the gun really short and compact. I mean every csrbine should be made in this pistol type as there is no benefit of having a dedicated magazime housing other than a longer sight radius.
Well that’s not exactly true: the benefit of the magazine well being forward to the grip is to facilitate with easier faster reloads.
@@AXARMS both are equally fast. How does it being on the front makes it faster. You just have to press button or push a lever and then insert the new mag. Infact grip magazine reload is even faster as you can press the button with the grip hand itself and do the reload with your other hand. While in front magwell you have to do both the pressing of the button while holding the new mag and inserting it, doing both with your left hand only takes more time. That's it. Rest is your choice.
@@narendrairengbam112 Simple: the ergonomics are superior, this is why most rifles and subguns are designed with forward magazine wells.
@@AXARMS coming back to you. Uzi got popular coz of it's compact design, conceal ability and hand to hand reload, even in the dark, reloading is possible and easy due to right to left hand position sensitivity. This was mentioned in marketing Uzi atleast, which means grip magwells are more ergonomically better. Just my opinion. Theres isnt a really specific beneficial reason for front magwell carbines other than good look. Rifles have longer rounds, so front magwell is understandable there, but on pistol round carbines, grip well is the best.
@@narendrairengbam112 The uzi is outdated, and not used today by any military or law enforcement for a reason. - Magwell grip fed guns are great for machine pistols or PDWs where a very small profile is one of the *most important design elements. But in general a primary submachinegun with a forward magazine well is superior, because reloads are faster, this is why the US Army and US Secret Service recently selected the B&T APC9K as their newest 9mm Submachinegun in their armory, for tasks such as diplomatic protection detail.
What laser is on your TP9?
Do you have to pay a stamp fee for the hand post that clamps to rail ?
Yes
What LAM is that on the TP9?
Steiner CQBL
Nice comparison. Doesn’t look like the APC9 can be fired when the B&T telescoping stock is collapsed (blocks ejection port)..that’s too bad it’s designed that way.
Thanks. It seems to fire with the APC9K in the closed position
I’ve been looking online for that bag through Bananna Republic…. Do you have a name of the bag or any other info for it?? Thanks in advance
Man unfortunately they discontinued it. I picked this up years ago in person.
@@AXARMS thank you for such a quick reply….
whats your opinion on that third b&T smg, the kh9?
See my newest video.
where did you get the BT magpuls?
They are Magpul SMG Magpuls.
@@AXARMS thank you, im gonna have to get these for mine
@@rustyturbos I like them, it’s a good addition to the B&T mags.
The tp9 is a good compromise for the mp7
Are the suppressors still being produced?
Yes.
Love both of them
Me too!
@@AXARMS they are the dynamic duo
Have you used the TP9 with the telescoping stock vs the folding stock?
I just realized I cannot find a single video about the telescoping stock for the TP9
I have not tried the telescopic stock on the TP9.
@@AXARMS well try that next if you could.
great video!
Thanks man I’m glad you liked it! Love your content too!
What sling are you running on the TP9?
B&T
Dope AF 🔥🤘🏽 what laser are you running in the TP9 ?
Need this in 45
The APC45 Pro is an option.
One thing you mentioned is that these weapons are somehow more powerful than handguns of the same caliber. Exactly how is that? Slightly longer barrel maybe? Otherwise how is a 9 mm out of a short barreled PDW superior to a 9 mm out of a duty pistol? I can see advantages to a PDW, but the round itself is the same 9 mm, no? Maybe subsonic for use with a suppressor, But that would be even less powerful. You cannot change the laws of physics.
SBRs are more accurate than handguns, and have a higher mag capacity, which equates to more lethality. I didn’t say the 9mm was more powerful than when shot out of a handgun- but I did illustrate the above point.
the window secrecy cc thing
how much does this 2 beautiful cost
Look @ Axarms.com
hi - could you post / reply with model of the IR/laser device you're using on the TP-9 ... looks like such a great fit. thx
Which laser device is that ?
Steiner CQBL
What laser set up is that?
On which gun? On the TP9 I have a Steiner CQBL, on the APC I have a Surefire X400 G.
Why not get both? 👀
That’s the spirit! 🤙
I have an APC9 pro I do not I repeat I DO NOT need a TP9 it’s so expensive and doesn’t seem worth the money. Do I really really want it still? YES
Haha this guy gets it.
This guy is ballin!!!
If they’re not full auto, there’s really no point to a pcc if you’re trained. That being said, we really need to do away with the NFA.
Grab the armchair why don’t you.
Yea? The gunfights you have been in as a civilian were too intense for a 9mm semi auto pcc?😂😂
What do you think if a company came out with an aftermarket lower for the APC that places a Glock magazine in the pistol grip? Mag release and bolt catch would be in a good spot. Safety would be a little different and the trigger would be somewhat of a bull pup style trigger like the TP9. The APC would still be pretty heavy.
It’s a neat idea something like this was offered for the CZ Scorpion. I prefer the AR style ergonomics for the APC personally.
"if you are shopping for either one" - just get both, duh
If I had money, I want the TP9 with APC pro stock
They make a tele stock for the tp9.
APC trigger is light years better
To me, the real difference is one is kinda bulky and the other is a scam. PDWs should be made in fixed barrels unless its a Flux MP17. no excuse for a rotating barrel. But I see why you made your points.
The rotating barrel functions very well particularly in select fire. It helps with recoil mitigation.
@@AXARMS true, and I dont judge those who buy it, I just think B&T could have dont better. The maxim 9 pistol, is even smaller and its not meant to be a pdw, but was able to have a fixed barrell design. I feel if B&T took there time, they could have had some sort of fixed barrel and give the same type of package far greater accuraccy. The APC9 i feel missed out on multiple things that should have been done, mlock rails or somthing simuler on both sides, a fixed barrel design with a delay mechanism, even the trigger, some owners I heard were able to improve it by using a dremel on a couple parts of the trigger peices without any damage. Again I dont judge those who buy and review it. Even some of my favorite gun tubers use the APC9 alot. Then again you could say Im a gun snob because I think the external piton design on guns are obsolete.
What the price difference?
The TP9 is around $2-500 cheaper
Shit, I'd love to have either one suppressed with nods. Unfortunately I'll never have the dough for any of it. Lol a guy can wish, one day tho..
Try not to put limits on yourself that way, making money isn’t impossible.
@@AXARMS Yeah i try not but I just cant seem to make enough for the things I'd like to experience in life. Kinda why I love seeing ur vids, sorta living vicariously thru what you & other guntubers have. I'd love to have anything from b&t. But serving & working warehouses isnt getting me any closer. I want to switch things up just dont know what cuz you need some sort of schooling or degree/certifications to make any good money it seems.
The best two PCC
I would like your opinion.
If you had to have one for a woman who is left handed and her right arm is severely disabled would the TP9 be better suited because of its weight?
She can shoot a standard pistol just fine and wants to get into a different platform but every AR ive been able to put together has been too unfriendly for her. Thanks.
If weight is the primary issue I would recommend a TP9 SBR
@@AXARMS tyvm, it looks like it has a charging handle, is it easy to manipulate?
Great video! Thank you for sharing
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
After a lot of research I think I'm just going to get a USW A1 over TP9 due to how God awful people say the trigger is on the TP9
Hmmm interesting choice.
apc9 is a grail gun for someday when I own a house.
How much that guy
That guy?
TP9/MP9 is definetely lighter. 1,5 kg without ammo
Yes the MP9 is the lightest subgun in its class.
@@AXARMS Did you ever tested the shooting bag for TP9/MP9 ? It's a discrete bag and it works only with the suppressor attached.
the supressor just came back in stock at like half price, jump on it
I have TP9 suppressors 😎🤙
I just picked up a TP9, where do you get a stock and a front grip for it? Also do you just get a suppressor at your local gun store?
@@tysonhalvorson2863 Tar Heel State firearms
do you shit money fuck all ur guns are top teir, best guns on youtube by far, nothing but high quality my man
Thank you!
I want a TP9…They say the trigger is crap.
Everyone rags on the trigger, if you have ever shot a bull pup you would understand the feel, it’s not a great trigger but for me it’s not a deal breaker.
Trigger is fine
Having one of these without full auto is completely useless, might as well just have a regular striker fired pistol. Now I mean useless as in what’s the point? Why not just get a rifle caliber pistol?
TP9
And
Mp7a1
This dude paid for the b&ts with gold nuggets.
🥴
MoistCritikal is that you
APC all day
That’s a lot of money right there lol
Buy the hk mp5.
Well I already have one. It’s not bad for a gun designed in 1964
@AXARMS i think, if you have a mp5 , a g3 clone , a pump gun in 12/70 and a combat 9 mm pistol you have exactly what you need to defend all you have to defend. All of them use easy to obtain ammunition and have proven mechanics.
it still can't beat the mp5 hehehe i have both guns and it can't beat my sp5 and sp5k
I have a post sample MP5 Submachinegun it’s a smooth shooter, but the ergonomics and optic mounting options are very outdated. And it’s less mechanically reliable than the APC9.