Ranking the Best CoH2 USF Commanders | 2022 Tier List Redux
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- After some delays, the Greyshot's finally releases their thoughts on the current roster of Company of Heroes 2 United States Force Commanders.
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Vehicle crew training on armor company increases their vet gain which directly increases how fast vehicles vet up as well. Also they get improved repair rates. Pershing is a weird heavy but it also has the benefit of having the Jackson as a backbone against the heaviest armor. With riflemen supporting infantry being some of the best. Combined arms is the entire focus point of the doctrine because of how much an overwhelming advantage is provides over any other global buff in the game. For reference the panther beats any allied heavy and also the tiger tank. That is the nature of how it is designed in the game. It's the only option the germans really have to fight the allies in that respect outside of the super heavies (Tiger 2, elefant, JT)
M10 is good in team games for suicide diving rocket halftracks. As long as it kills at least one, it basically inflicted more losses than it itself is worth. Unlike Puma, only needs one shot and is a 4 shot vehicle. Not exactly the greatest niche to have, but better than just running over infantry.
Also, dozer Sherman in Urban Assault gets a WP shell. Shouldn't be neglected. Just like Comet, you can have a tank that can basically take out an AT gun if it has to.
M10 is only 3 shots
@@alexandertoucan4956 It is 3.5 shots, which still requires 4 shots to kill
Loving your content guys! Please do Sov commanders next?
That's the plan.
I literally just bought a UKF commander yesterday because I can't find an up to date USF tier list.
The timing man, anyway thanks for the video Greyshot.
Glad I could help
buy the all out war edition man, it's all commanders
@@richardbrayshaw9963 I did try to find some cd keys I could buy but to no avail
10:55 I can confirm that I am an extra drain on my team when I pick this commander.
Damn, feels bad on how Rifle Company got nerfed so bad. To the point that it becomes one of the worse paid commander you can get.
I'm no expert but please revisit 'Easy Sight' Sherman, in my sandbox tests, it lays waste to M4C Sherman (without the tank commander upgrade), it even destroys Panzer 4 and is better vs infantry, someone explain me why it's being rated so bad.
This commander WAS insanely good. I mean, waves of flamethrower rifle plus the best tank of USF.
Easy Eight is still a reliable choice, but it's also more expensive, and rifle company is not that great at early game ANYMORE.
Sorry for being so late but the thing is that the Germans won't spam all P4 in 3v3 4v4, they will get something like a heavy tank or a bunch of panthers. Also, in 3v3 4v4 maps it is easier to defend so swarming is harder to accomplish. Therefore, most usf players use TD to fight tank and the mediums to fight infantries. The E8 tries to do both but not as good as either other tanks. It is also rather exoensive. In the case for the Soviet with the T3485, it is because it doesn't really have a strong frontline tank. Su is fine but less maneuverable and T3476 is just too weak against tanks. Therefore, T3485 is great and so is the M4C
Rear echolon can get flamers, great. However I would rather equip them with Zooks. But you have the option so ok
Rifles get flares, ok
U get a halftrack which is a more expensive ambu with more armor and heal. Early game ok, mid game when Germans have 2 AT guns, so by that time it is useless.
WP is quite expensive and have no killing ability. You will have to cooperate well with your allies and conduct attacks more effeciently yo utilize it
Building stuffs is fine but not crazy
I don't think Riffle company sit at C . Ranger , despite how strong they are , is a pain to replace theirs loss on frontline and you have to ask for your team HT to help reinforce which sometime they decline because theirs HT is busy somewhere else . The Wc3/4 truck just prone to get 1 shot and need to be in supplied sector to actually reinforce your inf . The Easy Eight is just a beefier version of sherman that will eat Pz4 like nothing and even can fight Heavy tank head on too , they won't 1 shot you but you have higher chance to pen them frontally , more than normal Sherman , all for the price of getting a bit less anti infantry power but that is not a problem if you have inf , a normal sherman mix in the group or Scott .
Sorry for being a bit late but I think Rifle being C is the correct place.
WF can slow down infantries, blind vehicles and damage health of infantries but no actual killing power so it can't be used to kill Lefh.
Rifle flare and buildings are nice but aren't that impactful
HT needs muni to drop med kits so it is a bit more expensive to be used like frontline med truck.
E8 isn't that great against infantries and only ok-ish against Axis heavier cats so you will need either more E8s or normal M4s or Jacksons to cover your weaknesses which is pretty challenging
Overall, compared to other companies, Rifle just isn't as good. All other comps have better things.
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 It's a bad company in 4x4s (which Greyshot discuss), but it's actually okayish or even good in smaller games. Flamethrower on RE makes them actually a combat assest and not just smoke dispenser, HT is basically strudier med truck with some firepower (good for pushes), E8 has very awkward niche of being superior to PzIV and having actual anti-infantry capacity, giving USF a power spike in lategame to make horrible lategame of USF a bit more tolerable.
And buildings for rifles are 100% must have unless you play Airborne. Mines win games. Mines WIN games. It's not an understatement. The fact you can lay them with mainline is awesome, and it also makes them build sandbags.
@@TovKafur Yeah true. Also im 1v1 the map is very big which helps E8 manuver around German cats
M10, Sherman 105mm assault sappers and 240 mm support is the best commander for USF bcs have big directly firepower and is oP in rank 7
In Mechanized The jeep drops the old 155mm barrage.
Best barrage but a bit more limited in use now since it use to be great to counter lefh.
I would have easily gotten rid of combined arms to have free use of that ability again i don't think it was worth trying to squeeze in combined arms by adding 155mm to the jeep. If anything they should combine the half track with the Sherman at cp2 and add 155mm back to the bar.
Thanks for clarifying on the barrage.
@@GreyshotProductions np and ty for the raid today on my friends stream ragnamiss Go figure i would have myself muted though. I made sure to inform him later who you are 😎
Yeah thanks I appreciate the Raid and support. And yeah of course Zanduel would be muted! Lol not that he talks much anyways.. lmao
why do you use rear echelons for crew weapons instead of paratroopers?
atm i think that E8 isn't that bad with tank commander upgrade and vet1 ability. it's solid all around tank with better anti tank possibilities agaisnt axis tanks than regular sherman. It has nice synergy with Jacksons. Phosphorus cant hurt smart enemy a lot, but can block assault on VP. Flamethrower is nice. Dropped one can be used on officer units to increase dps from thompsons. halftruck is quite bad and rifleman upgrade is situational
Mech is doomed I think. At least 'reserve armor' must be given back.
And WC51's repair ability get buffed as same as UC(UC can fix while moving at V3. But WC51 cannot.)
something needs to be said here:
Ass Engi is stronger than Sturm in most situation
Elite Vehicle crew brings veterancy for armors faster
M10 can also be used to dive
Tac support is fantastic!!!!! Absolute goto in my 2v2s but can def play this in a 4v4!!!
-quad is back in meta
-m1919 allows to delay weapon rack tech and keep dps profile at distance to match axis
-calliope rocks
Like, I'd rather have m1919 rifles than RE grenade launchers in most maps, so this is my favored calliope commander...
That being said inf company is still the best
Its weird to see 151 talking against the Calliope because it used to be his favourite american unit.
Heavy Cavs smoke cost was reduced to 40.
No idea why they nerfed the E8, it used to be great, now is just so freaking bad
the opinion on the armor company I disagree with, because assault engineers can kill any other engineer squad in the game including recoveries, but in the POV of usa vs okw or ost then yes their engies will destroy their's, plus they can also do the same things as an engineer but better and more efficient. the elite vehicle crew with thompsons come in clutch a whole lot, lets just say you're snared and there's an AT gun that is firing on your tank, hop those guys out and shred that at gun if close range, your elite vehicle crew can also kill sturms, volkssgrenadiers, grenadiers, and practically anything up close even obers, the one thing they cant kill up close is fallshrimjager. the wolverine can run over infantry making it anti tank and anti infantry, plus its 80 oil so its a real clutch late game if you're running out of oil for shermans or jacksons. and the bulldozer sherman is the closest thing you're getting to an allied brummbar, and it hits really hard. the arty on the armor company is very useful for picking off idle tanks, structures, even infantry, it can take out just about everything in the game including heavies if they're idle or if the hit is really accurate.
Sorry fellas but the M8 greyhound is my baby. You can kite Panzergrens with shreks for days & absolutely ruin a weapon crews day with the canister shot. Yeah sure the M20 has a slightly longer attack & sight range, but it gets fugged up by simple small arms fire & can't sustain fire from an MG, where as the greyhound is for whatever reason completely immune to small arms and takes little damage from an MG allowing you to get up close with almost no concern. Also a 37mm (also has a 30. Cal coax & can get a 50. Cal mount) is better than a single 50. Cal, just wanna throw that in there as well.
Pershing should be A tier, definitely has a potential when enemies doesnt have elefant or jagdtiger and u can cover it with Jackson
Yeah. Most people don't realise that it isn't proper heavy, it's SuperMedium, and it's a lot more rewarding to use it as mobile support unit that can beat any non-doc Axis tank rather than assault tank.
Yeah, but if in 4v4 and 3v3 axis doesn’t have super heavy TD - they are brain dead and you win before you call in pershing
But opposing sides can build Panther and not just 1, but more than just 1. It would overwhelm Pershing at any chance.
If Lelic let the Sherman Calliope have the ability to shoot its main gun, the tactical support would go up a bit, and Infantry Company and Urban Assault Company would be on the same tier.
Tbh they nailed the main problem with TacSup: it feels like it has just random abilities, most of which have non-doc equivalents. "A bit of everything" doctrines are rarely good.
Couldn't agree more
Calliope is straight up the best rocket artillery after the last Katyusha nerf. Katyusha is a RNG fest in its current state.
The dude below simply can’t aim and has to rely on priest RNG to save him from himself
i agree on almost everything but idk ill put armor company on S tier for me
My win rate with armor company is high af
Same here
Airborne: S tier 1v1/2v2 faction. A Tier 3v3 or 4v4
Heavy Cav A tier 1v1/2v2 faction. Great unit. But when a jagdtiger or elefant comes on the field, its useless. Pershing is way to overpriced.
Rife Company : i would even consider D tier. Easy 8s are to expensive and have worst pen then a M4C. It can take a extra shot but it still is to expensive for the price.
Inf company best 3v3/4v4 Faction but 1v1 maybe C: Priest is the best mobile Arty imo. It can take out okws sim city, it can one shot panzerwerfer, counter LEFH, and with creeping barage you can pinpoint effectively counter jagdtiger or elefant because of its 200dmg and 1000 pen (pen is guarenteed)
BUT WHAT IS EVEN BETTER is time on target: Use it against lefh spam. It will guarentee destroy a lefh every damn time..
The rest is B tier or beneath.
Oh finally.. We are close to OST and Soviets
The best commander is the second one on the S class list easily. The first one on the S list is total trash, the Priest is MUCH worse than the Sherman with rockets, especially in 4v4 games.
Priest has more range, it is a mobile howitzer so Lefh and ML20 but has tracks
hoping the release a super pershing tank in coh2 or coh 3
wehrmacht updated one when?
Why is the Easy Eight so bad, here?
Got nerfed in recent patch
Uh greyshot… no it didn’t….
@@infiknight8428 recent being the last few years compared to the M4C Sharman or 76mm Sherman
@@GreyshotProductions So um... who gonna break the news to Greyshot that even after the nerf, the E8 was siginificantly better than the M4C for 4 years and the entire reason why the Soviet M4C was used more it is because it was the last commander to still have skip tech tank?
It was only truely broken for 6 month until they nerf the thing and buff the E8 so that it now have 20 more pen than the HVAP 76 while have 10 extra range and 10 extra LOS at the trade off of some mobility that gonna net negated at Vet 2 while have the 55 more armor and 160 more HP
@@GreyshotProductions Actually it got buffed in recent buff. It gets the commander scopes which gives them extra weapon Range +10
Armour company is A tier
hey second view here
heavy calvary (one of the best USF commanders) as B tier and the claim that armor company is better? Bahahahaha 😂
Yeah, like wtf? Armor is a hot trash. Dozer Sherman is still just Bruhbar without everything that makes it awesome, basically the only good thing about it is Assault Engineer squad. 240 mm is not as useless as it was, but it's still pretty meh.
Pershing and Rangers actually give USF proper lategame.
Sorry for being late but you guys are totally underestimating Armor Comp. Engi and Rifle bully OKW infantries and swarm Wehmarch mgs. Vehicle crews make vets faster. M10 great vs P4 and dive. Bulldozer can construct cover, smoke, a turret and strong infantry killing capability. 240 cam destroy OKW trucks, arties and also a great zone denial weapon.
The only really good things Heavy Cav has is Pershing and Ranger
How rifle company is worst commander ?
The upgrade give flamethrower which good for deal with dig in infantry or building.
Rifleman now able to spirt to avoid mg , soft retreat and snare vehicle. They now have ability to recon thank to flare to choose why to engage. Building sandbag and lay proper mine is also good. Not need for tank trap anymore.
E8 how it shit ? It can beat normal p4 not problem , able to fight panther to some extend. Not need to mirco he or ap. Very good medium tank.
Half truck is ok. It and replace ambulance. Or get captain / rear inside the truck turn it into big clown-car
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Last ability for me however is expensive smoke. I use to block line of sight or denies point when my unit ready to engage them for other side of smoke.
The thing is that even if the stuffs u get from the commander is good, how much do u use them?
By the time I get M3 clown car, I can get AA HT or Stuart
Flamethrower is great but it is on RE-an engi unit
Sprint and Flare are great but forgettable
E8 is great against P4 yes. But, in 3v3 4v4 all Axis players will max their tech trees so u will see Panther and Tiger-Things that E8 is not good at killing at all- and the anti infantry power is not as good as the normal Sherman
This is a micro-intense 1v1 2v2 commander, not a great commander for 3v3 4v4
And noone ever mention that M3 provides reinforcements also in enemy territory, which is priceless for keeping troops on the frontline at all circumstances.
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 m3 clown car is like alternative choice for stuart or AA HT. since the utility to reinforce and heal troop you can bypass the ambulance to save fuel if you choose to. it can put captain with bar or flame rear for aggressive play. not meta but something you could do.
Flamethrower is not equip to mainline infantry on any faction for reason.
Agree with you in 3v3 and 4v4 due to sheer armor axis can put. E8 will have hard time with pak and panther on standby. but it happen with mechanized 76mm sherman that seem to get higher praise.
well USF is mirco intensive anyway. and facing heavy armor in 3v3 and 4v4 is biggest pain for usa unless specific commander has been choose.
@@vladimirharant3128 well i dont want to get one tap by double AT gun. or have my rifleman get wipe because bad retreat path when i put into enemy territory. but it something that should be mention thank.
@@butter_nation The strength of clown car is the early arrival, when AT support is limited or non while when the M3 is available, Axis can produce 222 or Flaktrack or Puma or Luchs which can kill it easily but not the AA HT or Stuart
U r right, the reinforce ability of the M3 is good but it doesn't heal unless u spend munition on it and it will die when it get 2 AT shot. I can say AA HT also die after getting shot twice but the late game support against aircrafts, almost instantly pin infantry and effectiveness vs light armor makes up for it
E8 doesn't have the HVAP shells so it won't do anything against Panther while with HVAP, 76 Sherman can change to a close range TD. That is why 76mm Sherman is offensively better
i never win with usf ":(
Spam pathfinders and Paras with Thompson or LMG.
GG
I play A LOT of USF 3v3 4v4 and despite being a lvl 4-5 with it, it has the lowest win rate % of all my factions
Recon support in teams games big S. You can deal all suport weapons in late game and it's cheap. AOE is big. Y can zeroing okw blobs retreat to t1. Pak 🧱 salvation.