Who Escalated this HEATED Sparring Round First???🔥
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No need to apologize. Be grateful for having a sparring partner that you can do that with.
it was a build up it is like tip tip tip and everybody pulls and than 1 medium leg kick from you answered with a med kick and than every other strike/kick gets a bit harder so it is fine just hug and go again
Nobody to blame here. The pressure increased Incrementally and naturally and both sides seemed happy right up until the end. The last uppercut at the end was a small uplift again which pushed the spar past the opponents comfort zone.
It happens but I saw he got aggressive after you caught him with the right after you shuffled your feet in the 3:53-3:54 mark.
It looked like you hit him hard unintentionally a couple of times and then he returned a couple of heavys to try to let you know cognitively. Then you escalated as you realized/noticed and raised your threshold. Then you both started fucking smacking each other...
This is why I got out of the combat scene. I can't speak for you and say either of your egos got in the way, but in my experience, I repeatedly had to deal with people who just were too extra for no other reason than their inflated egos.. like who are you trying to show out for? I can't stand people anymore 😒 🙄.
I think you were the one who was hitting harder, especially some leg kicks, which seems to have frustrated your partner a bit. Mischa landed a pretty hard knee later, but later seemed to turn it down again. The thing is, Mischa looks much heavier than you are, so some of the shot he considers light might seem as throwing hard or escalating. It's sparring, sometimes it just happens, glad you guys are cool.
yeah
Looks like he was getting tired so he stsrted getting caught more clean. Which probably flustered him so he snapped a hard leg kick. I dont think there was a drastic change in power just more landing in the right spot due to fatigue. So he came hard with leg kick and you got sharper punching.
@@fightingwords3540 I don't know it seemed to me like he snapped that low kick because of the hard-ish superman punch that Jeff throws just before, you can see his head going back so he felt that.
@@Whattarahfirestormsi agree im saying that I believe jeff didnt swing harder he just landed on the button more often than at first. Like 40 percent until the end then mayb 65. But an Acurate 40 percent consistently with being defended is still dangerous. I just dont think he could catch his composure beyween shots.
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My name is Misha, I am the guy in the video. Firs of all l want to thank Jeff for putting the video out in the context that he did. It could have easily been a “ bad sparring partner” or “ what not to do in sparring” video.
Now back story : I clearly remember saying to the coach ‘when is sparring? Im dew for a beating.’ - looking back it is a red flag, isnt it?
I was a very aggressive youth, getting in to fights in my 20s, and that idiot is still here. The reason I took up martial arts is to allow some form of that person to come out, in a controlled environment, so that i can be nice to others all the other time. I have 0 in-the-ring experience. My defence sucks. Thats why it looked the way it looked. I dont spar very often and im green in that sence.
Now on to the sparring video: escalate this or then - i dont feel like any of that happened. The only thing i can point to is my inability to take damage. Jeff was very nice to me through out the whole round.
Right at the end, before I stopped - i took a right uppercut to my eye that made me see doubles(once again not a hard shot, but a really good one, so my jaw or brain was never in question), that is why I decided to cut the round short.
Jeff is a great PRO fighter. He did exactly what he had to do, and especially after watching the round, i can say that he did nothing wrong.
Very respectful man and I respect your humility. I do think he was going a little hard on those headshots and you seemed to increase the intensity every time you took a headshot. Maybe it was frustration at your own defence or maybe you were a little miffed because he was hitting you harder than you were comfortable with.
Either way I think you both showed good technique and a great attitude in general. I'd love to train with either of you 🤟🏻
This one's on you Jeff. Feel you started pushing it and you were also the one headhunting the most which is really unnecessary due to the risks. Stuff happens and glad you put this one out though.
You both just really got into it. When sparring gets heated it's good to know when to stop. Misha knew when to stop, which is indicative of a good head on his shoulders.
true!
Lol, 100% you that started it. If you’re ever in LA/vegas, I’d love to flow with you. I love your stuff
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Background: 6 years of MMA experience, love watching fights, and currently serving.
From my observation you were more of the aggressor and your mate was trying to keep up. When he tried to match your intensity, you increased yours. His punches were a lot more softer and slower, and you can see he held back a few punches when they could have easily landed if thrown. Your sparring intensity may have increased due to your time abroad especially during the time you had with that ridiculous aggressive youth at that one gym. You honestly weren’t trying to hurt him but for sure you were trying to land, by increasing your speed and reach. It seemed that things got more heated once he increased the powers to his knees, you felt the power and you matched it with barrage of strikes that landed clean. Your mate knew that things will probably escalate too far and ended the session. Luckily he did because for sure you weren’t going to back down.
I think you owe your mate bubbletea ;)
I agree with you, his sparring partner is always trying to match Jeff speed & power, and yet that guy still punching softer than Jeff (except the knee on the stomach). IMO Jeff using his speed & power more than 70% from the start
Agreed
agree also the presence of a camera for public viewing is bad during sparring. these aren't fights.
agree, it also seemed like the sparring partner was less experienced. I believe you should always go easier on less experienced training partners.
Also size difference has to be taken into consideration
Awesome question to explore! Loved the sparring and as always brought some valuable stuff from observing you both
:) thanks for watching brother
I think most of the escalation was Jeff' swinging in the clinch. Those strikes can hit harder than you plan because visibility is limited. Good on you guys for not letting it get too out of hand!
I think I'd agree, you could see when Jeff landed a good heavy strike as he was nodding in acknowledgement.
Honestly Jeff, I think it was you. It seems to me as though you were trying to push the pace and intensity up bit by bit, whereas the other guy was keeping it under the level you were trying to set. Every time he came up a bit to match you, you increased it again. Then it got to a point where maybe a hit or two were misjudged and came across as heavy and then it spiralled from there.
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I'm an MMA coach myself. If I were coaching... I would've pointed out that due to your advantage in speed and understanding of positioning, some of your strikes PENETRATION was too much. That's what started it. You weren't putting a lot of effort but the better positioning and deeper positioning made some of your strikes earlier in the round land heavy. I'm a small guy like you. It's necessary for us to use positioning so we have leverage but your extension on strikes from those positions are what makes the difference. He is tall and lanky so he is going to miscalculate depth more often. You being the professional makes it your responsibility to pull strikes in accordance to your known positional depth advantage. Just my humble opinion.
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Sometimes when the other guy has a substantial reach advantage its hard to hit them without lunging forward with speed and if you've timed it when they're coming forward as well there tends to be a lot of force in the impact even though you weren't trying to hit with power. I'm not sure how to avoid this, I just kinda accept the bigger guy is going to punish me for it and then de-escalate from there
Very well said.
I think the overhand right at 3:35 is what turned it on. Misha seemed chill seconds before it. After receiving the overhand right, you can see Misha turn up on the intensity of his kick, and punching off his caught kick. And your leg kick intensity increased at 3:45 maybe because you got punched after you caught his kick. The shifting lead straight at 3:50 turned it on some more.
Agree with this. Misha was getting tired, not moving as well and dropping his hands. When the overhead right landed hard, he returned in kind with a hard leg kick.
You have a tendency to throw those overheads while keeping your face down and out of the way. That’s risky in sparring because you can’t see what you’re doing and may hit harder than you meant to.
This 👆
Snap. That one had the look of "I just want to land one on you" rather than "we're sparring and trying stuff out." No big deal though. It's going to happen every now and then and it didn't look malicious or a cheap shot. There was just a bit more intent behind it. I just watched Jeff's sparring with the JKD guy in NY and was in awe of the pace, intensity and skill they both showed while still keeping it civil over multiple rounds. Long time since I did any sparring though . I do BJJ these days so it's all rolling for me.
This is pretty accurate
Yeah I think the overhand right was the start of it, then the counter straight right after the kick catch and it just spiraled from there. I don't think there was any particular malice in it, he just got carried away in his combo and landed the last hit a bit more flush than he intended, it happens sometimes in sparring.
You escalated right from the start by wearing those shinguards.
It was the flying hook that started the aggression. He must have felt he needed to return the favor
I appreciate the honesty haha :/ I will def apologize again!
@@MMAShredded I mean if you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen. This happens in battle. I think it was a good session of sharpening the skills. Now he can prepare for that. I appreciate your great content Jeff! 💪
@@joshuacastillo2679 I mean sparring doesn’t necessarily mean you have to war, both could have agreed to keep it technical.
I think it looked fairly relaxed overall, but I'd say you started the strikes which had things atart to step up. It didn't appear malicious, but as a taller bloke I can see some similarities on where your mate is holding back and being quite slow. While some of your counters were a bit sharper. Being bigger doesn't make things hurt less when you get hit - it just means you have to have that much more control, which in turn makes you more easily countered if you stay slow against a faster partner/opponent.
Looks like he got sick of getting hit harder than he felt he was throwing and decided to amp up to a similar level. Which has a bit more oomph behind it since he's larger than you. So overall it takes two to tango; but your crisper strikes had him get frustrated, which in turn made him decide to turn up the heat as well.
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Best take
This is a similar take to mine and I completely agree. I stated my points differently, but this is exactly how I saw it.
Jeff , I think you are a great coach and love watching your videos. This sparring session started light and you both kept it light until the end. It looks like you were going too hard at the end , but I don’t think you intentionally want it to hit hard. I noticed in your other videos ( jacked black belt taekwondo guy) when you spar with taller guys with longer reach, you try to use your speed to reach and sometimes that speed carries power. Love these videos and please keep them coming.
I feel the intensity ebbed and flowed, with the occasional heavier strike escalating things before you both chilled out a bit... so I counted 7 escalations from Jeff and 4 from Misha - clearly you are good training buddies because you kept a lid on things - good sparring session.
Holy crap... What a fun exercise. I feel like a detective. This is brilliant. Can i do a reaction video to this with my findings?
big fan. please do
You should just fi... spar Jeff and do a video
I’ll clear my schedule
Yesss please do!
Yes please do a collab
I think it was slowly escalating as you were both attempting to land and one-up each other. Your team mate's low guard led to him being unable to block the superman punch at 3:50, which was the first real strike to land with any damaging capability. From there he retaliates and then you both seem to stop pulling your strikes. So I'd say no one is really at fault, just the occupational hazard of sparring.
I agree, butmaybe it was MMASHREDDED's shot around 3:36 that set it off. Prolly a bit of both guys though
@@Kaem0n I think that may have been the "starting shot". Though in my opinion, the first unfair blow was the low kick by misha at 3:56 which seemed way more intense that the previous sparring blows.
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@@MMAShredded happens with friends and fellow soldiers in combatives all the time and it's rarely an exact moment one person starts upping the intensity.
Yep and that left hook following that superman punch seconds later
We may never know who started it… but we know who finished it 😂😂
😂 Coach ICY Mike did a dead on breakdown!
I believe when Misha delivered the right while you were holding his leg, I think that was the catalyst that set everything into motion, because everything was all casual prior to that moment, then the competitiveness kicked in and Misha recognized what was happening and dipped out before things became too heated. All in all, it looked like competitive, yet respectful friends sparring.
I agree with this one
I believe I can see the exact moment your rule of "if it hurts, put a bit more on your attack" kicks in. It's when you catch his low kick at 3:41 and he gives you a right hand, then everything seems to get a bit harder. I agree with other commenters that things were ramping up before that but nothing beyond regular sparring. Maybe also when you landed the gazelle step hook quite early on it hurt him because he nodded and that is usually a sign of, you got me good
I think so too
He didnt get hurt early, nodding the head in acknowledgement is what you do when someones just taps you with a big strike they could have landed with force but choose to pull the punch. We do this to give respect for them landing on you, acknowledging it could be a big shot if he wanted it to be.
@@cadcc ah I get that, makes sense honestly, so it was at 3:41~
agreed combined with that knee warly only knee in sparring session
I completely agree it started with the low kick catch, they were calm and resetting when they would grapple. When he caught the leg he had more than enough time to attack but didn't. Instead his partner threw a straight right which landed clean and for no reason. After this it turned up a little but big man got tired
One thing I have noticed in my experience that "escalates" lighter rounds is when one person is moving faster, even if they are still pulling the punches/ not necessarily throwing hard shots. It seems like this may have been the underlying case here. Your partner does seem to be throwing slower and generally moving less. This could lead to him getting slightly frustratred, or taking it as you trying to amp up the aggression, and started to play a more defensive game while also upping his own intensity. It snowballs into you throwing shots with the intention of landing, like the superman cross at 3:50. He retaliates etc etc.
I have this happen to me all the time at my gym, where my partner thinks im going harder just because im moving faster, even though I am for sure pulling my shots. I think its just a communication error, and in my opinion any time a sparring session gets too heated, both sides are to blame. Thats not that this particular case was anything serious, but I do think this is a small problem no one ever talks about. IMO "light" sparring shouldnt mean "slow". It just means to control your power output. You can achieve that without throwing shots at a snails pace, though it does take practice.
I appreciate your perspective! thank you!
I also came to the same conclusion. The size difference plays a big part to. I think you started trying closing the distance and shooting high and low that got him thinking he had to keep up with you. Either way I'm glad you guys Are cool👍
Excellent observation. I’ve been training in Muay Thai for the last few years after coming from a long WTF Taekwondo competition background. I have found it is very hard to throw kicks in light sparring, with decent speed, and control your power at the same time. And, when you do, in my experience your partner thinks you are ramping up the intensity despite your efforts to make light contact.
I think Jeff started to time his partner better and ended up landing flush, without necessarily intending to land hard. His partner may have gotten frustrated and things then started ramping up. I’m glad you both put the brakes on it before it went further.
Jeff is such a humble guy 🤙
Very few people can acknowledge and overcome their weaknesses.
I've seen this happen at my gym when a smaller, more proficient person is paired with a bigger, less proficient person. The smaller person feels inclined to put more into the shots because of the size disadvantage, and the bigger person tends to try and pull their shots. But when the smaller person is evasive and quick, it makes it really challenging to land light shots. It gets to a point where you feel like you need to throw faster/harder shots in order to land anything. If you combine that with someone is easily splitting your guard and landing over and over despite having a reach disadvantage, it's very frustrating. Weight classes exist for a reason but obviously, in sparring it's different. I think the only solution is to really try and match the pace and intensity and focus on flow. Also, if your opponent is less skilled than you, let them get some work in too. This also lets you practice your defense.
I appreciate your perspective!!
3:50 I think the switch into the straight may have been in closer range than you anticipated and that made the strike have more impact. Seems to me all the shots after that shot are more aggressive.
good catch
I think the same, some hard low kick have been landed before but this one the the chin is really tough, then it escalated
IMO this tends to happen more often with long vs short reach. Jeff you're a tall dude but you come across fighters with longer reach. It's frustrating to get smacked up often as the longer fighter on the inside but its equally frustrating to not be able to get in range as the shorter without using your speed and explosiveness (tools screaming in front of you to get inside and land). Both things drive each of you to escalate and in this video I'd say it was mostly on you to tone down the power a wee bit when you're punching on the inside vs the taller guy. At this pace of sparring tbh it's still a great way to learn how to get inside and outsmart without having to amp up your speed and explosiveness which flat out translates to more power. I do the same thing with my longer reach brother and get frustrated when I can't land. But when I go inside I landed 5 punches in a row one time but they all hit like firm marshmellows so my brother didn't get pissed off.
This is nothing. So much composure. It's a small matter. So much understanding even in disagreement. Kudos to both of u guys.
Your step in right cross at 3:52 looked like it hurt or stunned him. He then responded with a heavy leg kick and i think thats how it started.
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Right after you caught his leg and he threw that cross, it seems like you became more aggressive and he was trying to keep up with you . My thoughts … cheers for the videos.
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I can't express how fun and satisfying was that to watch. Make me wanna workout right now.
I think you both were having fun and got a little too excited. It happens right, glad you two are cool!
I see he left his guard down and took 2 left hooks and then a stiff jab coming in. To me it looked like the left hooks were landing but had little power, but the jab look stiff and pushed his head back. After hard check, then you started throwing with more pop. I think he precieved that your volume and shots landing meant to increase the intensity level. But it seems like you initiated a more intensity after that.
From what I'm seeing, I think you both started it, and what started it was the way you guys were taking those kick, I saw your friend throw easy soft low kicks but sounded alot harder when they landed because he would step in, you can see his reaction by nodding his no after he kicks, and what really escalated was that short inside uppercut, that shot looked like it woke both of you up and just started throwing, of course I can be 100% wrong but my input
To me it looked like the turning point was when he went for the clinch knee. It was def aggressive but controlled seemed to kinda spark your intensity though which led to the later exchanges. So technically he "initiated" the harder pace but you definitely finished it and took it up a few notches haha! great work love the vids!
I enjoy your technical content. Been training in one place or another for just over 30 yrs. I did notice in your sparring videos you tend to go in deeper with your strikes than your partners do. Not always harder but the extra couple cm of penetration sends the wrong signal early on.
Best of luck
Once your partner threw that knee to the body at 3:19, you were noticeably more aggressive. Damn it Jeff, I really like you, but I think you escalated it quicker than needed. That overhand at 3:36 was significantly harder than anything you were throwing up until that point. Things just took off from there. Hope you guys are good!
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I think with what makes this a good exercise in humility. That fact that Jeff is interested in getting feedback in the first place is fantastic, and would make him a better teacher.
As you get older it is you knowledge that matter more than anything else. Regardless of how much of a badass you were when younger.
I actually think he was getting more and more frustrated from being constantly tagged by your left hand. Then he’d want to get you back and started going a bit harder as it went on which lead to you going a bit harder too.
I think the stiff jab Misha threw at your face clean when you caught his kick at 3:42 is what caused the escalation, from that point your striking power increased significantly. this is classic sparring escalation, one guy gets hit clean and feels the need to retaliate. It's a great lesson to go and learn from and I really appreciate you doing a video on that topic. this happens to me quite often in sparring, especially when I'm sparring against better opponents, fatigue usually plays a big part in that too. I'll definitely try to remember that in my next sparring session, instead of escalating I'll try to pause for a moment, take a step back, take a deep breath and restart fresh without this retaliation mindset.
Around the 4 min mark, the tall guy threw a round kick to the leg harder than the rest, and it seemes like that was the escaltion event. Glad y'all are still friends!
After watching a few of your videos - great content by the way - I can see how it can end up with things escalating. @3:50 is where things change when you put a bit too much stank on it.
When using the term 'light sparring' I assume that it means less force. Maybe it should also be about slowing down as well? Expecting a bigger, more powerful sparring partner to curb their trump card, it may also be good for you to not play your trump card of speed and be misconstrued.
I also notice that your 'breakdown' vids tend to come across as a highlight reel. I understand it is hard for you to breakdown what they are thinking, but would be great to hear what you think they were up to.
Keep the great videos coming man!
As a heavyweight, I know sparring smaller people can be frustrating. But I think it was escalated by Misha. You can see he was tired and Jeff kept scoring clean. You could see the frustration building up over the round. In my opinion, I think Jeff just matched Mishas energy - which probably didn't help the situation haha. It will make Misha better, especially his range and guard. No offense, but there is no way Jeff should have been able to get that close. It's all love at the end of the day.
It was you with your left hand and your right low kick, hahaha ! But it was a beautiful sparring, thank you both guys ! You Rock !!!
Before I say anything, that was great realizing that the spar had gone too hard and calling it quits before someone got hurt. My entirely unprofessional analysis is that there were hard flush shots landing at several points and the intensity gradually built up but every time both fighters slowed down and backed off a bit until the end when Jeff stopped throwing slow shots and pulling back altogether. You kinda had this thing where one fighter would throw a stiff combo then wait and let to see what the other fighter thought about it but Jeff broke that pattern at the end when he started chaining combos prompting his opponent to start firing back hard every time.
Appreciate the humility and confidence to put this out there!
3:40 after he punches off the caught kick your intensity immediately went up and he matched it. it went from touch sparring to actually connecting with sharper shots. I think cause he was bigger he was pulling alot of his shots and you kinda capitalized off that low pace which probably irritated him.
same conclusion here, his punch was good and controlled (IMO) but after that you got some sharper shots in, Mishca comes back at you with a heavier leg kick a little while after but i think that was more the retaliation. love that you posted this though! :)
Jeff kept increasing energy to the point where the other dude was like "I see, so we're not playing anymore. OK".
That session displayed 2 people flowing in perfecting the art of striking!
cheers!
3:31 you hit him clean, moments before he has a very similar striking opportunity but literally blocked his punch. He was going super light, you were going harder from the beginning. Not much harder, but maybe he was hesitant because of his size, and maybe he expected you to match his intensity. Not a bad behaviour but a miscomprehension
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Based off of the history of your sparring sessions. I would think your opponents are the aggressor. In this one though you were the aggressor he was just trying to to keep up and match you 🤣🤣 nasty combo and the end though
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I love this! Kudos for you to put this out there. That being said , It's tough to call as I saw you both do things that the other didn't necessarily like and acted on . A little bit of "oh yeah?" Which is common . You were smooth and technical as always and he was getting tired of getting hit In volume, so when he countered, he hit harder which looked like it aggravated you .
I've been training a little under a year, but a common theme I've experienced in sparring is things have a higher probability of escalating when I'm sparring with someone who has less reach than me. They'll often have a hard time getting into pocket and eventually move with more intensity trying to get in; I throw with a little more speed (and unintentionally harder by consequence) when this happens trying to keep and assert my distance and somewhere along the way we're both going full on sock 'em bopper. lol...May not be the case with you guys as you're both likely far more experienced than me, but I feel like I observed a similar dynamic with you two.
thanks for your perspective!
You landed "leaping" lead hook with a right hand over the top, he nods, then after stalking you into range he rips a big low kick and it's off to the races. Feel like you both put your ego/emotions out there a bit, him moreso than you, often times these sparring incidents happen when someone is trying to "get one back" after they felt the other person rose the intensity up. My worst rounds have always been when I get emotions and ego dictate the plan and not sticking with the goal I went into the round with. Appreciate you posting the content Jeff!
That was the sequence I kinda pin pointed as well. Tbh that wasn't THAT hard or aggressive. No one needs to apologize here. But that right hand that Jeff landed after that was right on the chin. A lesser man might have fallen
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Near the very beginning, Jeff lands a series of soft strikes on Mischa in combination, and Mischa adjusts his mouth piece, seems to bob his head a bit, bites down, and then soon after throws a much more significant leg kick. This series of events started at about 2:02 and ends at 2:18, and I think that was the first catalyst of increasing intensity, as all of their movement and speed increases significantly in the next 30 seconds and just goes from there until it is basically a full fight. I wouldn't say it was any one person's fault, it was just a matter of continuing to feed each other with more intense movements and letting the competitive spirit take over rather than a soft hit being enough to signify a strong land.
The tall guy escalated it with the low kick . He sped up the kick causing you to go faster to match his speed
I think that you were very accurate and after that leg kick from him toward the end you went crazy 😂
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I think you definitely owe him an apology man 😂 He did put a little steam on his punch when you caught his kick at 3:41 but I’m not sure it warranted your response.
I know it’s hard to know how a strike felt just by watching the tape, so maybe that strike at 3:41 felt hard to you and you felt like increasing the intensity was worth it.
Ultimately though, IMO it definitely seems like the first person to strike with power intentionally was you, and it seemed like you were mostly responsible for the escalation.
Glad you guys are still friends!
:( I appreciate your perspective! thank you!
It's the mismatch scenario.. your low-intensity, high-volume, and timing accuracy was misconstrued as aggression vs Misha's low-volume, zero-intensity start. Friendly sparring should start on the same wavelength, otherwise the two wavelengths are out-of-sync and often amplify rather than cancel. What I like to do is a rhythm spar, one person gets in 2 to 3 combos.. then let's the other attack. Back and forth a bit to get a good feel, then free flow. A tough spar is fine, as long as emotions are out of it.
I agree. If its lite and slow sparring then one shouldn't be trying to get up on the other. It should be like taking turns.
Doesn’t matter who started . I really like the mentality that you want to know who needs to apologize.for me respect each other is important as an martial artist even if it means to grow by mistakes and show it after a few days because you realized it. Very cool that you show that side of our sport because sometimes it’s hard to handle
thanks Juan :)
Great video idea! I have to say though that you escalated it. You can tell that Misha was pulling his punches much more and even held some shots back that he had a clear path on. You weren’t throwing 100%, but landed flush on his face while he pulled the head shots much more. He tried to warn you by throwing hard to the legs and body but that just made you turn the tempo up more. Great content, cheers!
I appreciate the honesty!
You both were slowly escalating but your friend was getting frustrated as the tempo was increased. He started coming in faster to increase his pressure but relatively unguarded. As your tempo increased i think both of your adrenaline started picking up. Once that clinch knee was thrown it definitely switched a bit over. I didnt see anything excessive but Jeff definitely kicked it up a gear especially with that overhand. Ive had this in my gym time and time again and its something i keep an eye on in my gym and try to be aware of it myself. You gotta temper yourself according to the skill level of who you are training with. I think once you realize you might have landed a bit to hard i always try to back away a bit , breathe and try to bring it back to being more playful. But its sparring shit happens. I didnt see anything Malicious here just adrenaline spiking a bit. Ive seen and been a part of way worse then this lol
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You controlled your shots until 3:42.
Your friend lost his control a long time before that, but it was still quite good sparring. He was a bit sloppy, but nothing too bad. You can see the skill difference and maybe he was a bit annoyed by your speed and reflexes.
But it was definitely after that shot when you started to go hard.
3:40 stood out to me. You held his leg he gave you a decent right punch. It looks like the spark to me.
That knee at the beginning definitely started it 😂
Looks like he got u with a good body shot and a very nice leg kick. U landed to his head way harder and more times. Looks like u rocked him. Much respect to both you being able to recognize what was happening and call it quits before it got ugly
cheers!
That's why it's good to put headgear on. Sometimes when you're really getting into it the punches start to fly.
Jeff, I have watched your channel for a while. You and I have similar styles in Muay Thai/KB. We use a lot of 2 and 3 hit combos that generate power and exploit openings. There was a right low kick to the inner thigh followed by a cross (one of my personal favorite combos) that agitated Micha. With our style, we can generate force quickly and taller opponents aren’t used to that. Plus, we only strike when there is an opening which overwhelms through quick bursts. You do owe him an apology. But, good vid!
The camera started it. Both knew the footage would come out so subconsciously you both turned it up. I don't feel bad about my sparring if this was heated sparring. thank you
Hey Jeff, just wanted to say I appreciate your perspective! Thank you!
thanks :)
You did 100% , particularly from the switch to right hand started it ...
Honestly a bit of both, when you lunge in you're connecting noticeably harder than when you're standing trading and you can tell by his reaction that it phased him but he's the one who actually makes it escalate when he gets angry by making it get physical and using his size. At a certain point you can tell he stops operating on technical and tactical sparring.
You started this one Jeff🤣🤣🤣
On my first observation, it seemed like you escalated it faster than I expected it too.
You started it for sure
At 2:33 he decides he ain't taking that any longer and ramps it up a little, but you block all of that, he gets frustrated about it and it then slowly escalates while both of you increase power output.
Really like the duck-livershot-overhook right at 3:35
The darting right 😂
I'd say heat of the moment. Both of you were increasing the power/speed scale to out do each other. The competition between you two just escalated. Just keep in mind you were overwhelmingly getting the shots in, even though they were soft. So..... Friends! 😁
Modest kickboxing background here, he started it with his leg kicks / knees slightly ( it doesn't look like it but even with a bad form his leg kicks especially knees hurts), you carried with punches (more precise and a bit more power) and for me, he couldn't follow up, his knees were the only things that made the sparring ( or in other words: YOU) go for a higher intensity.
Hi Jeff, thanks for sharing. I know you got a lot of replies already, so I'll try to say things I haven't seen other people already said.
I think the first instance of escalation was at 2:05 when you touched Misha in the face. It wasn't necessarily hard or bad, just the first instance of escalation I saw. I think Misha might've thrown something at 2:45 that looked to be a hard roundkick, but in his defense he did throw it slow and just let it stick. 2:53 you kind of rose the energy a little bit, in the form of speed. Then at 2:54 Misha pulled back the punch in order to de-escalate. 2:57 you kept going and made medium contact again, signaling to Misha you wanted to keep the energy high. Misha responded with a clench at 3:02. But at 3:17, I think Misha attempted to de-escalate again by throwing a slow, telegraphed roundkick. At 3:29 you did attempt to de-escalate with slower punches, but your punch jabbed him in the face (underestimated range on both sides prob). I think at 3:40, he threw a slow kick, but you caught and held it, so he probably felt like you weren't respecting his light kick, so he punched you and connected. And finally at 3:52, that was the start of your highest intensity charges, followed up by a high intensity hook at 3:56. I think he just tried to clench to respond because he was getting tired, and because he is a big guy and is so heavy, you read that as a challenge and kept going with fast punches to the head.
Overall, I think there were more instances that I saw of you escalating, and also more attempts by Misha to de-escalate, some of which you didn't necessarily read in the heat of the moment (which is understandable).
In general, I think all of the escalation instances were probably more of your fault, not that you were trying to be mean or had ego, but maybe you mis-read the situation sometimes. Sorry if that was too long, but I hope it helps if you read it, and I hope you keep putting out great content!
thanks for your perspective!
Started with you especially at 3.52sec in you take it up a notch and he reacts to it then brings it back down then you give him a few more higher energy punches ... just before this you guys were in a clinch where you threw the uppercut and him the knee. This quick exchange perhaps got you pumped up and adrenaline starting to climb which turned into your move at 3.52sec... Great to explore these kinds of things
that's switch step to cross is very decisive
man I wish I could move like Jeff Chan. Awesome skills!
looks like me and my friends. "light sparring" .... 1 min later....
To me it was those leaping left hooks. The first one landed with a slap and the second one felt similar and it looked like you might have clashed heads. Then the sticky right hand as you veered left. He backed away and reset a bunch but you kept on with the same energy.
I was thinking the same thing. His style is very explosive so its not intentional, but they're so fast they keep landing clean. People don't like gazelle hooks
All seemed good to me. A few heavier shots towards the end but that’s natural with fatigue. A few tasty shots to keep everyone on their toes, but no one was overly dominating the other.
Great videos as always, and credit to you both for being honest and open enough to discuss it, I didn’t think it looked to out of control, possibly a contributing factor is mischa looked a little tired towards the end (mouth piece not secure etc) maybe this lead to a lack of concentration and control, leading you to feel he was putting a bit to much into the shots, easily done, respect to both of you ✌🏽🙏🏽
thanks for your perspective!
No one to blame, I think both of you escalate the situation. Egos, frustrations and competitive instics are very difficult stuff to work in the training, so this things happen. Good thing is you both realicie and come up to terms.
It looked like a gradual escalation from both of you tbh there's not many sparring sessions I've had where it hasn't started to ramp up as time goes on.
There is a telling nod by Misha at 3:57 after an exchange where Jeff's strikes and kicks had some added steam and Misha returned a kick with added steam in response and the nod seems to be saying, "Hey, I can add steam too, let's bring it down a notch."
I see this a lot in your fights, I hate to say it, I don’t know if it is your speed or follow through, but you tend to be the harder striker. So if that is what usually escalates conflict I would say in that affirmative you are the catalyst. Don’t get me wrong I love your fights and commentary. It just may be your blitzing style. But, I’ve seen this brought up by you and other channels and I’ve watched enough of the fights and studied you long enough to say you through some hard shots, sometimes retaliatory other times just bam 💥. Fun to watch none the less. I appreciate you.
That cross when u caught his leg pissed u off i think😂😂
🤣 I think you started it bro 🤣. The body to overhand right was hard. It just continued from there.
That was you man. Its all good, just remember practicing good technique doesn't necessitate that much speed. Good health to you.
It was you Jeff. I appreciate this because a lot of times we don’t look at ourselves as the aggressor. Takes balls. I just want you to realize running those meister shin pads. They feel awesome for you I bet (for me they did) because they’re not as bulky but that means they have half the padding which anyone can tell between those and twins shin pads. Long winded thing those leg kicks were probably harder than what you initially intended causing misha to ramp up too
Jeff the shot that began the initial escalation was your running straight right which caused Misha to respond with a hard flurry and from there the escalation was mutual.
I think Jeff’s leg kick at 3:45 was when the flame lit and it only really got intense in the last 24 seconds. Still I’d say it’s a friendly sparring session since no one got pissed off.
the switch stance with the hard cross started it.
He was getting frustrated and annoyed at himself then took that out on you homie 👊🏻👊🏻
you made the tension escalate
Great video. This would be a good subject for a technique video if you haven't done one already - what suggestions do you have for maintaining speed for sparring while also toning down power?
I think what happened here is that Micha was trying to match your speed and threw the first harder strike (leg kick). Later, you swatted/stung Micha a little bit with an overhand right, and I think this highlights a nit picky form area that he should work through slowly - draw the chin back into the pocket of chest and shoulders, and keep it tucked back when striking, defending and even when outside of striking distance as a mental reminder. Once or twice early in the round he may have flinched his chin during an exchange. This is an easy thing to lose track of even when just shadow boxing or working heavy bag. Because his chin was a bit high, he seemed to get caught a little flush and by surprise, felt the shot a bit, thought he was lagging a bit and upped the tempo, and consequently started connecting a bit fuller and harder. Then exchanges got more intense from both of you.
i feel that when you caught his kick and just held it there (instead of a sweep) and he just tags you with a stiff jab is when it escalated and you just started throwing a lot more power