Please do note: This is my honest opinion, and I bought the wheel... So it's just my experience! If you do disagree or want to add to the discussion with the wheel do post below and lets get a good discussion going :D!
If you're watching this as of March 2019: Shift lights now work, shift numbers still MIA, 'Sen' setting can now be used on Auto and will match each car settings as far as I have tested
This is the best wheel review ever, you've explained things in a very easy to understand manner. I've heard of load cells in pedals before - but never new what they meant or used for. The way you've explained it I understood it straight away. Thank you for this tidgney. You Da Man
Nice review! Especially because i bought one a bit later than you did. Had the same issue with wheel rotation at 900° switching from gr4 to gr3. Solution to this is setting it at AUT on the wheel. This way the game changes the wheel rotation for you according to the car you currenlty drive.
Great review ! Very precise and informative. I also jumped on the Fanatec deal last April because it was time for me to step up from my 8 years good old G27 that I've used in GT Sport with a CronusMax adapter. I was expecting great things with this new CSL Elite (with standard CSL Elite pedals, no load cell): on Assetto Corsa it's pure magic ! Lots of feedback and it's very very good ! On PCars 2, it's good but I didn't spent enough time with PCars 2 yet so I can't really judge. And on GT Sport, well I struggled hard to find a good setup for the wheel specially with that annoying understeer rattle effect. I tried so many setups from Fanatecs forums and of course GT Planet. First of, SEN must be at 054 (540°) on Gr3, it's indeed very weird like you said. Then it's frustrating to get less feedback when you have to turn down some of the Spring (Spr), Damper (Dpr), FEI or others settings otherwise you end up with a very noisy understeer rattle from the wheel. Assetto Corsa does not suffer from that problem as a comparaison... I finally found a good setup for GT Sport (not perfect: lacks a bit of feel in my opinion and I can't be consistent in my laps like I was with G27) and I just hope Polyphony will improve the feel for the CSL Elite. Here are my settings: SEN: 0540 / FF: 100 / SHock: 100 / Abs: 100 / Drift: -02 / Force: 050 / Spring: 050 / Damper: 050 / FEI: 070 / Ingame: FF 7 & Sensitivity 10 Although one strong point with the CSL Elite on GT Sport: I felt a lot more precise than my G27. Even my dad who's watching me compete in the FIA races noticed that. I destroyed my old lap record I've made with the G27 specially on Suzuka with the BMW M4 GT4 and the Porsche 911 RSR. As for the comfort of holding the wheel in your hands, I've got to agree. Somehow the G27 rim felt better. I'm thinking of upgrading the CSL Elite rim to a Mclaren GT3 rim or something else from the Fanatec range. Also If I get the Mclaren rim, the paddle shift are closer so it could sort two problems in one. But yea 180€ for a rim is really expensive. Would I recommend anyone to get a CSL Elite ? OF COURSE ! To me it's sort of the spiritual successor of the G27 but it's like a top notch vastly improved G27. But, first you should always ask yourself what are you going to do with this new wheel and which game are you gonna play. If you only play GT Sport, I suggest to wait a for a full compatibility with this game before buying it. It's a major drawback for me to think I've emptied my bank account (sort of) and I don't get the full potential of the wheel in GT Sport, the main game I play. Fortunately Assetto Corsa was there to comfort me after the mediocre feel of GT Sport. Conclusion: I will definitely keep that wheel for as many years as possible and I'm gonna improve my standard CSL pedals to the extremely realistic (and expensive) Clubsport V3 inverted and get a H shifter. Yes, the entire package is really really expensive, but I think that way: it's a solid high quality product that is meant to last and it will hold it's value better than Logitech or Thrustmaster wheels so if I want a newer wheel in like 2025, I will get at least half of my money back. I hope my comment was helpful to anyone, sorry it was a bit long to read. Thank you very much for your review Tidgney and I'll see you in your next video (or maybe on the track :) )
Really big thanks for this post, really great contribution! Ye the settings are weird and I don't quite get it personally hopefully it's fixed soon... I kinda mentioned precision a little bit as you say you can definitely be more precise with this wheel vs others due to the larger diameter (I'm pretty sure it's this). The feeling is so bizarre, so I'm glad you agree and it's not just me haha! Got to agree that if it's just for GT definitely don't get the wheel, if you play other games then there's potential. Good luck with your future purchases as that sounds like a cracking setup you've got planned! Hopefully this comment does help people, great job :D!
Thanks for this review. You have made some very good points regarding the load-cell which I hadn't considered. Other reviewers say the load-cell is just superior and you should get one if you can afford it. There is little discussion regarding competitions and the fact that there are many top level console racers out there that do not use load-cells and are still superfast (because of the reasons you give over competition setups) I can't help thinking that I want the load-cell but know deep down it probably won't actually make me much quicker, it will make the braking feel a little more realistic though. And as someone who drives quite a lot in real life (not racing) maybe that realistic feel will be easier to get consistent with Great video again - thanks
Finally good to see you post a video again! Where you been, stranger :). I have but one favor to ask. Can you please consider doing a lap time comparison between a wheel and the controller for gt sport, preferably on a track you're really good at? Only because I couldn't help but notice you mentioned in your vlog at Nurburing that you mentioned you used to race on a controller and would like to confirm you can be competitive on a controller with gt sport. please please please please. Just for one track you're really good at.
Cheers mate :D! Sorry I've been so busy with work, recovering from illness and all sorts! To be fair I haven't used a controller in racing since 2011 so my times will be considerably faster on a wheel. BUT, as I mentioned in that video and also I'll mentioned in a future video 2 guys in Germany at the event were pad players and race competitively throughout GT Sport :)!
I'm happy to hear that, though 2 out of 24? isn't a great ratio, lol. That's fair. I might end up buying a wheel for Assetto Corsa Competizione anyways.
Hi Tidge, been watching a few of your vids recently as I’m a retuning mature sim racer, I know this is an old video now and everyone seems to be rocking direct drive fodder nowadays but as I’m on a tight budget would you say the old elite is still the best non direct drive setup especially used? I’ve dabbled with Thrustmaster and Logitech stuff and currently using a G29 but the cogging drives me mad and although as mentioned I’m on a tight budget I’m looking out for either a T300 or Elite to replace it without having to spend huge money going the dd route. My rig is capable a nice used Trak Racer TR8 hence I feel something better than the G29 is required. Cheers Nick
Hey Nick! Sorry for the delay responding. It was a great wheel when I used it that is for sure, but for me in your situation it's definitely one where I would just wait and try to save that bit more for the direct drive. For me the jump from G29 to CSL Elite isn't worth the price increase as much as it frustrates you (Unless you can get it cheaper). Save that bit extra and if it's for Gran Turismo get the Fanatec DD Pro. For PC only Moza offer some great variations for good prices.
Great video, you provide your unique perspective as always, and I'm sure this will be a popular one. I wanted to add one thing regarding your settings: When you are providing your values within the rim itself (Sen, FF, Sho, etc...) there should be a Brf selection when you have the Load Cell attached to your set. This is Brake Force, and it is a metric for what percentage one must depress the pedal to reach 100% brake pressure (I believe, someone will correct me if I am wrong I'm sure). Did you record these settings when you were practicing for your GT event (thus didn't have the Load Cell attached)? Typically, depending on rig mounting, personal preference, etc...this Brf value is typically around 30-50 (I use 30 as my pedals are not mounted). Just wanted to point this out for those who ultimately buy the LC for this wheel base and see this option. I imagine you won't be doing S10 GT3 at AOR given your GT commitments, hope I'm wrong (Ferrari is banned!), but will miss watching you race there. Best, Drew (PhishHead @ Apex)
Ahhh yes I remember that setting, to be honest I just look for settings as I'm not the best setting stuff up, likewise with car setups which is why I used default in AOR haha :D! I didn't record those settings unfortunately, I really wish I wrote those settings down to be honest with you! I know there was some movement in distance with the brake with the load cell but it felt pretty decent on whatever option I had it on. Good to point out though to other people :)! I really want to do S10 at AOR but I really have to wait to see the race calendar for GT first. Originally GT had wednesday off which was brilliant then race 8 or 9 I think it was in AOR S9 they changed it to Wednesdays and Saturdays so was doing both which is a bit of a killer to be honest! Come home, do 1 GT race, do AOR S9 then do the other GT Race I couldn't do that again. I enjoyed AOR and I'd like to put a bit more effort into it so I'm hoping GT pick something like Thursday and Sunday or something, that would benefit me far more haha! Good luck if you're racing Season 10 though :)!
Premium product? Entry level. The quality of the FFB in the games referenced here don't allow you to make an informed judgment of any wheel. Wheel size, large wheels provide more leverage, that's it. Old cars without power steering had large wheels, modern sports cars/race cars not so much. Toxic wheel? Non hypoallergenic? Shouldn't have to wear gloves with a non direct drive wheelbase. Self assembly pedals albeit very good ones. Anyone thinking of buying this should consider the T300 or TX for Xbox/PC and if you're serious about racing get a PC. The mounting setup for the CSL is far from ideal if you use 2 holes it will wobble. Load cells allow you to develop muscle memory, like a real car. It's very easy to learn that's why it's used in real cars (muscle memory not load cell) if you drive an actual car, you'll pick it up instantly.
Quality review and insightful. I am a former G29 owner and now went to belt drive wheel . For me the wheel didn’t make much difference, but I think the load cell would be awesome to try on my wheel...
I think that's one of the big things, the G29 especially on Gran Turismo because it's been calibrated properly in the game is a bloody good wheel for the price, especially for GT! If anything I would say pedals are the bigger performance difference on any wheel than the actual wheel itself (Aslongs it's got force feedback ofc)
I bought the T300 GT Edition a couple of months ago because I couldn't figure out if the Fanatec came with a clamp to attach it to a table or not. I watched reviews and searched online but came up with no answers.
It comes with a clamp, annoyingly I think I missed it off the clip, doh! Definitely comes with a clamp though but again you'd need to make sure it fits as there's a require thickness for it to work (Another reason why I had to modify mine to fit as plate on my rig wasn't thick enough)
Hey Tigney really enjoyed your insights on the wheel, altough this wheel is far off my budget. I'm planning on getting a starter wheel, so I have a question which one should I get a T150 or a G29. If I get a T150 I can upgrade to T3PA. And there is quite a difference in price with the two
In my opinion, get the G29. Thrustmaster wheels are known to brake down while Logitech wheels are very solid. And I think you get more feedback from this wheel than the T150. I had a G27 for 8 years and it never broke down. And if you get the G29, get the NIXIM brake mod. It improve the braking by miles ;)
Hey Mate, Cheers :D! Out of the 2 I'd still personally get a g29 due to reliability to be honest. I've lost a lot of confidence in Thrustmaster lately, I mean having 6 different problems with a T300 that I've had is insane, so I'd expect similar reliability issues in a cheaper wheel as that's the problem with the T300, they cheaped out :O! So personally out of the T150 and g29, definitely g29 (Especially if you can get the bargain sale that occasionally happens)
TidgneyRacing I'll probably wait until October that's when most sales are, thanks for the info. I've heard a lot of problems with reliability for the Thrustmasters just didn't know if it's true. 👍
Hey tidge haven't seen a review on the tgt for your channel however, I am looking to upgrade from my t300. It's between the CSL elite f1 bundle and the tgt would love to hear your opinion. I do all my sim racing on PlayStation. Currently spending alot of time on GT sport
TY so much for this video... nowadays im playing with a Thrustmaster T300RS, PS4!!! Do you think buying a CSL Elite, will be a good upgrade for me, anh increase my experience or its a waste????
So eager to get the fanatec csl elite, shifter and handbrake. Been sitting on the fanatec inverted pedals since the holidays. Got them when they were on sale for $299 from $499.
Currently using the T300 with the CSL Elite LC pedals, and only play GT Sport. Would the CSL Elite wheel be an upgrade over the T300? Mostly concerned with build quality and accuracy of the FFB.
Hey, I just bought the G29 and am returning it straight away as I feel one has to fight to get a good lap time versus the T300.. How is the build quality? Noisy (G29 sounds like an engine when you move the wheel)? T300 will be my go to if I can't pick up the CSL.. Cheers
@@MrSlicer0007 I've owned 2 G27s and I'm on my second T300. Had the first T300 for 3 yrs and sold it when I stopped racing for a year. The T300 wheelbase definitely feels more premium than the G27/G29 but doubt it would help lap times. The G29 pedals however are much better than the T3PA pedals in build and feel. You would need to get the Pro pedals to upgrade over the G29s, and the pedals are probably make more of an impact on lap times than a wheel imo. The T300 is fairly quiet, non of the gear rattling you get with G27. Tough choice picking a wheel set. I'm strongly considering getting the CSL Elite wheel to go with the pedals I already have. Just hope the wheel is at least a bit of an upgrade over the T300 but hear that it's actually noisier than the T300.
@@JoeD-zo4sm Yeah, I've read that rumble strips & other terrain activates a certain vibration that will cause the wheel to violently jitter as if the thing was trying to push out a baby! I've also heard the fans like to kick in on high as the inners begin to heat up, that happening rather soon too. The CSL Elite is probs the best wheel for PlayStation at the moment (Which kind of says a lot about the wheel market, not being cheap).. From watching videos on just how smooth the Elite is, and comparing that against the 300, it's definitely a solid upgrade.. Wish I could pull the trigger and skip the progressive wheel purchases and just go right to the top, but then of course I need the missing Play Seat, triple monitor stand, and pistons suspension... That's awesome knowing the 300 runs quieter as that's a must for late night racing.. Unfortunately the G29 runs too loud for me.. Looking forward to the smoothness of the T300 for sure.. Did you give any special treatment to your T300 to get it to last so long? Cheers!
@@MrSlicer0007 2 things people do to help reduce strain on the motor and keep the heat down...run the T300 in forced air fan mode, and run lower torque settings in game.
Hi, is this now fully compatible with GT? Looking at getting into sim racing (on ps4 only), would this be over kill for a complete beginner? Many thanks.
@@tidgney ooh tank god! I was looking in the comments seeing allot of complains about the not full compatibility to gt sport (im looking to buy it) and I allmost only play gt sport with my g29 but is feeling i just need to try a wheel on a diffrent level this video allmost stoped me from thinking about buying it but fortunately for me my question was allready awnserd! Puuuuuh.
Aaarrhh, ive got two months to decide between the csl or csw. If I get the csl, I can get the universal hub. If get the csw, I can only get the normal p1 wheel. I cant decide
Hi TidgneyRacing,been looking to upgrade my wheel from the t500rs.was lookin at the tgt but also the cls elite.do you know if the cls is fully working on gt sport yet? Many thanks RoninGT-hayc.
you need to get those hand tuff like a man, man hands is what ya needed do some man things to get them tuff as rhino hide... other than that good vid and thanks
@@tidgney I ordered it, finally got it today, but realised that there are no screws and no Allen key included in the wheel package. Huh? I cant mount the wheel to the wheel base now. Did you also experience this sort of problem? I dont know what to do now. Or do i need to use the screws that are included in the pedals package?
Yeah this is the updated ps4 csl the other one the first one with the issues had the light grey front panel they even changed the xbox csl to this one like the ps4 now so they are all the updated version no issues with them anymore not much at least I'm getting the csw v2.5
It is a gamble. I would argue that it will. Its fairly new wheel going into new generation. Good thing about it is that if it won't its compatible with pc and Xbox. If Sony does something funny and makes it obsolete I will get a pc or Xbox ;)
Great review, I'm about to embark on my sim racing adventure after spending hours at a friends rig set up ( thrust master wheel with omega seat set up on PC ) I've decided that Fanatec is for me to use both PS& x box for GT and forza respectfully. How hard is it to set up the load cell 3peddle set up? I'm thinking of getting the "playseat evolution" alcantara seat. Supposed to be compatible with Fanatec. If anyone has done a set up like this please let me know your experience with it. 😉
@@MorfiusRacing good choice. It served me well for 5 years. Week ago I plugged it in and it went crazy...keeps spinning instead of calibrating and then stopping as it should. Tried reinstalling the firmware but pc is not detecting it anymore either. Crazy thing is that it worked fine when I was finishing my last session and cant use it after starting next session. That's why I'm here. After 5 years of t300rs I deserve a treat ;)
@@kamael1125 I ended getting the Thrustmaster TR300 GT in the end. It was a better price, and easier to get help with refunds and fixes, I read so many bad customer service reviews about Fanatec it put me off...!
Please do note: This is my honest opinion, and I bought the wheel... So it's just my experience! If you do disagree or want to add to the discussion with the wheel do post below and lets get a good discussion going :D!
@@patjerepsol6036 csl. No contest.
If you're watching this as of March 2019: Shift lights now work, shift numbers still MIA, 'Sen' setting can now be used on Auto and will match each car settings as far as I have tested
Thanks for this comment mate! My Fanatec is sat at the side so I wasn't sure!
@@tidgney Thank you for the great content mate!
Can you also turn the LEDS light off on the Base? They look so bright.
This is the best wheel review ever, you've explained things in a very easy to understand manner. I've heard of load cells in pedals before - but never new what they meant or used for. The way you've explained it I understood it straight away. Thank you for this tidgney. You Da Man
Aww cheers mate, that's very kind! Glad it's come across well enough, it's so hard to do a review sometimes!
... Aaaand the LCD display is now compatible with Gran Turismo. Shows speedometer / gear shifts. I think this is officially 100% supported now. Cheers
Cheers for the info :D!
(apologies for the late comment)
Wonderful! Now I don't have any inhibitions about getting one of these to replace my little t150.
Nice review! Especially because i bought one a bit later than you did. Had the same issue with wheel rotation at 900° switching from gr4 to gr3. Solution to this is setting it at AUT on the wheel. This way the game changes the wheel rotation for you according to the car you currenlty drive.
That auto solution is brilliant, why didn't I think of that, or why has nobody else (Not been noted in any settings!). Big thanks for this comment!
TidgneyRacing No problem man! But i do think i saw it in someones settings on GT planet in a thread about the CSL elite.
Great review ! Very precise and informative. I also jumped on the Fanatec deal last April because it was time for me to step up from my 8 years good old G27 that I've used in GT Sport with a CronusMax adapter. I was expecting great things with this new CSL Elite (with standard CSL Elite pedals, no load cell): on Assetto Corsa it's pure magic ! Lots of feedback and it's very very good ! On PCars 2, it's good but I didn't spent enough time with PCars 2 yet so I can't really judge.
And on GT Sport, well I struggled hard to find a good setup for the wheel specially with that annoying understeer rattle effect. I tried so many setups from Fanatecs forums and of course GT Planet. First of, SEN must be at 054 (540°) on Gr3, it's indeed very weird like you said. Then it's frustrating to get less feedback when you have to turn down some of the Spring (Spr), Damper (Dpr), FEI or others settings otherwise you end up with a very noisy understeer rattle from the wheel. Assetto Corsa does not suffer from that problem as a comparaison... I finally found a good setup for GT Sport (not perfect: lacks a bit of feel in my opinion and I can't be consistent in my laps like I was with G27) and I just hope Polyphony will improve the feel for the CSL Elite. Here are my settings: SEN: 0540 / FF: 100 / SHock: 100 / Abs: 100 / Drift: -02 / Force: 050 / Spring: 050 / Damper: 050 / FEI: 070 / Ingame: FF 7 & Sensitivity 10
Although one strong point with the CSL Elite on GT Sport: I felt a lot more precise than my G27. Even my dad who's watching me compete in the FIA races noticed that. I destroyed my old lap record I've made with the G27 specially on Suzuka with the BMW M4 GT4 and the Porsche 911 RSR.
As for the comfort of holding the wheel in your hands, I've got to agree. Somehow the G27 rim felt better. I'm thinking of upgrading the CSL Elite rim to a Mclaren GT3 rim or something else from the Fanatec range. Also If I get the Mclaren rim, the paddle shift are closer so it could sort two problems in one. But yea 180€ for a rim is really expensive.
Would I recommend anyone to get a CSL Elite ? OF COURSE ! To me it's sort of the spiritual successor of the G27 but it's like a top notch vastly improved G27. But, first you should always ask yourself what are you going to do with this new wheel and which game are you gonna play. If you only play GT Sport, I suggest to wait a for a full compatibility with this game before buying it. It's a major drawback for me to think I've emptied my bank account (sort of) and I don't get the full potential of the wheel in GT Sport, the main game I play. Fortunately Assetto Corsa was there to comfort me after the mediocre feel of GT Sport.
Conclusion: I will definitely keep that wheel for as many years as possible and I'm gonna improve my standard CSL pedals to the extremely realistic (and expensive) Clubsport V3 inverted and get a H shifter. Yes, the entire package is really really expensive, but I think that way: it's a solid high quality product that is meant to last and it will hold it's value better than Logitech or Thrustmaster wheels so if I want a newer wheel in like 2025, I will get at least half of my money back.
I hope my comment was helpful to anyone, sorry it was a bit long to read. Thank you very much for your review Tidgney and I'll see you in your next video (or maybe on the track :) )
Really big thanks for this post, really great contribution! Ye the settings are weird and I don't quite get it personally hopefully it's fixed soon... I kinda mentioned precision a little bit as you say you can definitely be more precise with this wheel vs others due to the larger diameter (I'm pretty sure it's this).
The feeling is so bizarre, so I'm glad you agree and it's not just me haha!
Got to agree that if it's just for GT definitely don't get the wheel, if you play other games then there's potential. Good luck with your future purchases as that sounds like a cracking setup you've got planned! Hopefully this comment does help people, great job :D!
Thanks for this review. You have made some very good points regarding the load-cell which I hadn't considered. Other reviewers say the load-cell is just superior and you should get one if you can afford it. There is little discussion regarding competitions and the fact that there are many top level console racers out there that do not use load-cells and are still superfast (because of the reasons you give over competition setups)
I can't help thinking that I want the load-cell but know deep down it probably won't actually make me much quicker, it will make the braking feel a little more realistic though. And as someone who drives quite a lot in real life (not racing) maybe that realistic feel will be easier to get consistent with
Great video again - thanks
Finally good to see you post a video again! Where you been, stranger :). I have but one favor to ask. Can you please consider doing a lap time comparison between a wheel and the controller for gt sport, preferably on a track you're really good at? Only because I couldn't help but notice you mentioned in your vlog at Nurburing that you mentioned you used to race on a controller and would like to confirm you can be competitive on a controller with gt sport. please please please please. Just for one track you're really good at.
Cheers mate :D! Sorry I've been so busy with work, recovering from illness and all sorts! To be fair I haven't used a controller in racing since 2011 so my times will be considerably faster on a wheel. BUT, as I mentioned in that video and also I'll mentioned in a future video 2 guys in Germany at the event were pad players and race competitively throughout GT Sport :)!
I'm happy to hear that, though 2 out of 24? isn't a great ratio, lol. That's fair. I might end up buying a wheel for Assetto Corsa Competizione anyways.
Hi Tidge, been watching a few of your vids recently as I’m a retuning mature sim racer, I know this is an old video now and everyone seems to be rocking direct drive fodder nowadays but as I’m on a tight budget would you say the old elite is still the best non direct drive setup especially used? I’ve dabbled with Thrustmaster and Logitech stuff and currently using a G29 but the cogging drives me mad and although as mentioned I’m on a tight budget I’m looking out for either a T300 or Elite to replace it without having to spend huge money going the dd route. My rig is capable a nice used Trak Racer TR8 hence I feel something better than the G29 is required. Cheers Nick
Hey Nick!
Sorry for the delay responding. It was a great wheel when I used it that is for sure, but for me in your situation it's definitely one where I would just wait and try to save that bit more for the direct drive. For me the jump from G29 to CSL Elite isn't worth the price increase as much as it frustrates you (Unless you can get it cheaper). Save that bit extra and if it's for Gran Turismo get the Fanatec DD Pro. For PC only Moza offer some great variations for good prices.
@@tidgney Thanks for the reply and advice 👍🏻
Great video, you provide your unique perspective as always, and I'm sure this will be a popular one. I wanted to add one thing regarding your settings: When you are providing your values within the rim itself (Sen, FF, Sho, etc...) there should be a Brf selection when you have the Load Cell attached to your set. This is Brake Force, and it is a metric for what percentage one must depress the pedal to reach 100% brake pressure (I believe, someone will correct me if I am wrong I'm sure). Did you record these settings when you were practicing for your GT event (thus didn't have the Load Cell attached)? Typically, depending on rig mounting, personal preference, etc...this Brf value is typically around 30-50 (I use 30 as my pedals are not mounted). Just wanted to point this out for those who ultimately buy the LC for this wheel base and see this option.
I imagine you won't be doing S10 GT3 at AOR given your GT commitments, hope I'm wrong (Ferrari is banned!), but will miss watching you race there.
Best,
Drew (PhishHead @ Apex)
Ahhh yes I remember that setting, to be honest I just look for settings as I'm not the best setting stuff up, likewise with car setups which is why I used default in AOR haha :D! I didn't record those settings unfortunately, I really wish I wrote those settings down to be honest with you! I know there was some movement in distance with the brake with the load cell but it felt pretty decent on whatever option I had it on. Good to point out though to other people :)!
I really want to do S10 at AOR but I really have to wait to see the race calendar for GT first. Originally GT had wednesday off which was brilliant then race 8 or 9 I think it was in AOR S9 they changed it to Wednesdays and Saturdays so was doing both which is a bit of a killer to be honest! Come home, do 1 GT race, do AOR S9 then do the other GT Race I couldn't do that again. I enjoyed AOR and I'd like to put a bit more effort into it so I'm hoping GT pick something like Thursday and Sunday or something, that would benefit me far more haha! Good luck if you're racing Season 10 though :)!
Premium product? Entry level. The quality of the FFB in the games referenced here don't allow you to make an informed judgment of any wheel. Wheel size, large wheels provide more leverage, that's it. Old cars without power steering had large wheels, modern sports cars/race cars not so much. Toxic wheel? Non hypoallergenic? Shouldn't have to wear gloves with a non direct drive wheelbase. Self assembly pedals albeit very good ones. Anyone thinking of buying this should consider the T300 or TX for Xbox/PC and if you're serious about racing get a PC. The mounting setup for the CSL is far from ideal if you use 2 holes it will wobble. Load cells allow you to develop muscle memory, like a real car. It's very easy to learn that's why it's used in real cars (muscle memory not load cell) if you drive an actual car, you'll pick it up instantly.
I disagree!
Now that you got my attention , I like the review! Really good.
Quality review and insightful. I am a former G29 owner and now went to belt drive wheel .
For me the wheel didn’t make much difference, but I think the load cell would be awesome to try on my wheel...
I think that's one of the big things, the G29 especially on Gran Turismo because it's been calibrated properly in the game is a bloody good wheel for the price, especially for GT! If anything I would say pedals are the bigger performance difference on any wheel than the actual wheel itself (Aslongs it's got force feedback ofc)
Good review! What in game FFB settings do you use for PC2 & GTS ?
Good question, I'll find out for you!
I bought the T300 GT Edition a couple of months ago because I couldn't figure out if the Fanatec came with a clamp to attach it to a table or not. I watched reviews and searched online but came up with no answers.
It comes with a clamp, annoyingly I think I missed it off the clip, doh! Definitely comes with a clamp though but again you'd need to make sure it fits as there's a require thickness for it to work (Another reason why I had to modify mine to fit as plate on my rig wasn't thick enough)
TidgneyRacing thanks for the reply, bro. Great review btw
hello, what about the rattling noise? Other reviews highlight that the CSL ps4 is quite noisy especially when you bump into a curb
I never experienced this issue, or nothing that I would think is major!
The noise does go up if you crank up the FEI setting. Not a deal breaker tho...
Hey Tigney really enjoyed your insights on the wheel, altough this wheel is far off my budget. I'm planning on getting a starter wheel, so I have a question which one should I get a T150 or a G29. If I get a T150 I can upgrade to T3PA. And there is quite a difference in price with the two
In my opinion, get the G29. Thrustmaster wheels are known to brake down while Logitech wheels are very solid. And I think you get more feedback from this wheel than the T150. I had a G27 for 8 years and it never broke down.
And if you get the G29, get the NIXIM brake mod. It improve the braking by miles ;)
Tob-Racer thanks for telling me that appreciate it mate 👍
Hey Mate, Cheers :D! Out of the 2 I'd still personally get a g29 due to reliability to be honest. I've lost a lot of confidence in Thrustmaster lately, I mean having 6 different problems with a T300 that I've had is insane, so I'd expect similar reliability issues in a cheaper wheel as that's the problem with the T300, they cheaped out :O! So personally out of the T150 and g29, definitely g29 (Especially if you can get the bargain sale that occasionally happens)
TidgneyRacing I'll probably wait until October that's when most sales are, thanks for the info. I've heard a lot of problems with reliability for the Thrustmasters just didn't know if it's true. 👍
Noxvi
If ur in the UK I have a g29 I used for 5 months and it’s in the package in my attic..... if ur local then I’ll sell it for a honest price
Hey tidge haven't seen a review on the tgt for your channel however, I am looking to upgrade from my t300. It's between the CSL elite f1 bundle and the tgt would love to hear your opinion. I do all my sim racing on PlayStation. Currently spending alot of time on GT sport
If you play any form of other racing game then I'd go with the CSL Elite, I'd only get the T-GT if GT Sport is the only racing game you play :O.
Nice review! And a solid setup!
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it :).
TY so much for this video... nowadays im playing with a Thrustmaster T300RS, PS4!!! Do you think buying a CSL Elite, will be a good upgrade for me, anh increase my experience or its a waste????
I like the CSL elite and does make driving more enjoyable, however it's whether you're really wanting to pay the quite large premium to get it!
So eager to get the fanatec csl elite, shifter and handbrake. Been sitting on the fanatec inverted pedals since the holidays. Got them when they were on sale for $299 from $499.
O nice, I'm a bargain hunter to haha so if I see a deal I'll go for it :D!
Does this wheel base utilize the "real" quick release system of the V2.5 or does it use that screw from the CSL Elite xbox edition?
It's the screw from the CSL Elite :)
Currently using the T300 with the CSL Elite LC pedals, and only play GT Sport. Would the CSL Elite wheel be an upgrade over the T300? Mostly concerned with build quality and accuracy of the FFB.
Hey, I just bought the G29 and am returning it straight away as I feel one has to fight to get a good lap time versus the T300.. How is the build quality? Noisy (G29 sounds like an engine when you move the wheel)?
T300 will be my go to if I can't pick up the CSL..
Cheers
@@MrSlicer0007 I've owned 2 G27s and I'm on my second T300. Had the first T300 for 3 yrs and sold it when I stopped racing for a year.
The T300 wheelbase definitely feels more premium than the G27/G29 but doubt it would help lap times. The G29 pedals however are much better than the T3PA pedals in build and feel. You would need to get the Pro pedals to upgrade over the G29s, and the pedals are probably make more of an impact on lap times than a wheel imo.
The T300 is fairly quiet, non of the gear rattling you get with G27. Tough choice picking a wheel set. I'm strongly considering getting the CSL Elite wheel to go with the pedals I already have. Just hope the wheel is at least a bit of an upgrade over the T300 but hear that it's actually noisier than the T300.
@@JoeD-zo4sm Yeah, I've read that rumble strips & other terrain activates a certain vibration that will cause the wheel to violently jitter as if the thing was trying to push out a baby! I've also heard the fans like to kick in on high as the inners begin to heat up, that happening rather soon too. The CSL Elite is probs the best wheel for PlayStation at the moment (Which kind of says a lot about the wheel market, not being cheap).. From watching videos on just how smooth the Elite is, and comparing that against the 300, it's definitely a solid upgrade.. Wish I could pull the trigger and skip the progressive wheel purchases and just go right to the top, but then of course I need the missing Play Seat, triple monitor stand, and pistons suspension...
That's awesome knowing the 300 runs quieter as that's a must for late night racing.. Unfortunately the G29 runs too loud for me.. Looking forward to the smoothness of the T300 for sure.. Did you give any special treatment to your T300 to get it to last so long?
Cheers!
@@MrSlicer0007 2 things people do to help reduce strain on the motor and keep the heat down...run the T300 in forced air fan mode, and run lower torque settings in game.
If price is no issue then absolutely the CS Elite is a very nice wheel!
It’s bad that you can’t have a 3 pedal set with the best type of break pedal
Hi, is this now fully compatible with GT? Looking at getting into sim racing (on ps4 only), would this be over kill for a complete beginner? Many thanks.
It is fully compatible now I believe :D! Ermmm personally I would get a g29 initially unless money really is no object then why not, it's great wheel!
@@tidgney lol done just that and got the G29 to see how I get on. Thanks.
@@tidgney ooh tank god! I was looking in the comments seeing allot of complains about the not full compatibility to gt sport (im looking to buy it) and I allmost only play gt sport with my g29 but is feeling i just need to try a wheel on a diffrent level this video allmost stoped me from thinking about buying it but fortunately for me my question was allready awnserd! Puuuuuh.
Aaarrhh, ive got two months to decide between the csl or csw. If I get the csl, I can get the universal hub. If get the csw, I can only get the normal p1 wheel. I cant decide
That I can't help with, I can only say the CSL is a great wheel.
Hi TidgneyRacing,been looking to upgrade my wheel from the t500rs.was lookin at the tgt but also the cls elite.do you know if the cls is fully working on gt sport yet?
Many thanks RoninGT-hayc.
Hey Hayc mate! I do believe it is fully working now on GT Sport :D!
@@tidgney you believe ? :D ..so what wheel do you use now ? :)
you need to get those hand tuff like a man, man hands is what ya needed do some man things to get them tuff as rhino hide... other than that good vid and thanks
Nice video very informative
Do you experience rattling sound? thats the only thing keeping me from buying it.
I didn't to be fair, was as quiet as I expected a wheel to be :)
@@tidgney I ordered it, finally got it today, but realised that there are no screws and no Allen key included in the wheel package. Huh? I cant mount the wheel to the wheel base now. Did you also experience this sort of problem? I dont know what to do now. Or do i need to use the screws that are included in the pedals package?
Ariton By now you’ve sourced some 6mm bolts at the hardware store?
Hello,
Nowdays do you have full support on gt sport?
I believe so :D!
Yeah this is the updated ps4 csl the other one the first one with the issues had the light grey front panel they even changed the xbox csl to this one like the ps4 now so they are all the updated version no issues with them anymore not much at least I'm getting the csw v2.5
Hi, do you have any idea, if this wheel set will works with PS5 ??????
Unfortunately I have no idea.
It is a gamble. I would argue that it will. Its fairly new wheel going into new generation.
Good thing about it is that if it won't its compatible with pc and Xbox. If Sony does something funny and makes it obsolete I will get a pc or Xbox ;)
Am planning to buy now 2020, but any knows if fully supported now for GT sport ?
It is indeed :)!
Tidgney and i ended buying a t300rs XD
So you don’t like it because it’s stronger so it is likely to give you blisters!!
Great review, I'm about to embark on my sim racing adventure after spending hours at a friends rig set up ( thrust master wheel with omega seat set up on PC )
I've decided that Fanatec is for me to use both PS& x box for GT and forza respectfully.
How hard is it to set up the load cell 3peddle set up? I'm thinking of getting the "playseat evolution" alcantara seat. Supposed to be compatible with Fanatec. If anyone has done a set up like this please let me know your experience with it. 😉
Loadcell is really easy to set up! Sorry for the late reply :O!
@@tidgney i ended up getting a "theustmaster 300 RS GT ps4 wheel. its good fior the money with less hastle for refunds returns etc
@@MorfiusRacing good choice. It served me well for 5 years. Week ago I plugged it in and it went crazy...keeps spinning instead of calibrating and then stopping as it should.
Tried reinstalling the firmware but pc is not detecting it anymore either.
Crazy thing is that it worked fine when I was finishing my last session and cant use it after starting next session.
That's why I'm here. After 5 years of t300rs I deserve a treat ;)
@@kamael1125 I ended getting the Thrustmaster TR300 GT in the end. It was a better price, and easier to get help with refunds and fixes, I read so many bad customer service reviews about Fanatec it put me off...!
@@MorfiusRacing oh really? I have not seen anything about it.
It's weird considering they are the market leader in this industry I'd say.
Your hand is just small, don’t blame it on the wheel.
Sounds like the scene from 4 lions. But no that isn't the reason at all hahaha.. Every other wheel is fine, and even in my car its fine.
Does it come with a desk mount?
It does :).
Are there still these issues with GT Sport? Reason I‘m asking is that I want want to switch from a G29...
It's still not fully supported in GT Sport, the wheel works but the LEDs don't still :(!
Looks like the current upgrade changed that in part. Not with the LEDs but with the light in the rim.
How was the driving performance, any oscillation?
Forget Fanatec and GT Sport cozz they have a deal with Thrustmaster T-GT. Try Project cars 2!
Vchan21 Got my Fanatec stuff on BF. PC2 is on my short list, hope they Mark it down for Xmas
i got the csw 2.5 such a shame for this price i don't get rev light's
Not really. They are gay lights. Which some rims have the shift light. Or buy an app called sim dashboard for $13
F1 racing is 270°, racing car any other class should be 540° and drift is 900°
I personally drove in Cockpits only.
Fair play :D!
Can i use a sparco rally wheel on this?
I have absolutely no idea :O!
TidgneyRacing, ahh np, nice vid btw man
nice video a like and sub for you
Thanks mate, welcome to the channel :)!
thumbs down for banging on about the load cell WAAAAY too much :O(
Had to be mentioned, but thanks for the feedback, appreciated :)!