EDITOR'S NOTE: Apparently, a recent Firmware Update has changed the way compatibility mode works in the CSL Elite PS4, so now titles like DriveClub and F1 2016 DO WORK!!! 3:55 and 4:20 - I meant to say mm, NOT cm! Sorry for that mistake! That's what I get for recording a voiceover at 1 AM 😂
Having tried both I think the Fanatec is the better option period. Even if I was mainly focused on GT Sport because I feel the LC brake more than makes up for the difference in FFB. Personally I did not miss the tactile feedback of the T-GT but I was initially disappointed by the FFB in GT Sport on the CSL Elite. However being able to tune the FFB on the wheel made a big difference to the end result and the FFB is still very good but without the tactile feedback it does feel a little bland compared to good PC FFB. That said the FFB in PC2 is the real disappointment on the CSL Elite and IMO the T-GT feels better. It is no fault of Fanatec and comes down to the developers implementation of the wheels. Again I wouldn't give up the Load Cell Brake and that more than makes up for the difference in feel. The T-GT was extremely disappointing to me outside of GT Sport due to the rotary dials and associated buttons not being functional. My T-GT also has a very gritty feeling when turning and the CSL Elite is much smoother and a better feeling wheel as a result but the T-GT did have a more direct feeling to the FFB. The pedals are the real winner. The CSL Elite pedals with Load Cell brake are a fantastic value and are simply a great pedal set. They make the CSL Elite package a winner on PS4. I love them. Of course on PC they can be combined with any wheel and with additional hardware that is also possible on the PS4 but not with the same level of functionality. The pedals are a real let down on the T-GT especially on GT Sport due to it's too sensitive brake implementation. Being able to adjust the brake sensitivity on the Fanatec package is a godsend. All that said, FFB on a console using a official wheel is a disappointing experience when compared to PC FFB at this time unfortunately. While I had high hopes for the tactile FFB in GT Sport it still does not compete with the good sims on PC and compatibility and implementation in games on the PS4 at this time leaves a bit to be desired. Ultimately the PS4 CSL Elite is still the best package IMO on the PS4 but it is better on PC and on PC the T-GT is also a really good option especially with the extra functionality of those dials and extra buttons but it isn't at good value at that price with those pedals and the size of the rim was a bad decision by Polyphony Digital.
I've had 2 T300 wheels along with T3PA AND T3PA-PRO pedals. Really like the wheels and pedals. It's all you really need for PS4. But hey when I'm ready to upgrade my kit I'm going CSL Elite with the Elite LC pedals. The larger rim, better FFB, and load cell...thats what you call an upgrade. Great review as usual William.
DriveClub, F1 2016 and WRC 6 are working with the purple compatibility mode (after they changed it to emulate a G29 instead of the CSW V2) so every ps4 simracing title actually is compatible.
Michael Salo correct but at least they are working.. And William said in this comparison that those titles are not compatible at all which isn't true...
Gotta be the CSL Elite, having the load cell pedals makes it a no-brainer for me. Definitely made me more consistent in my braking which in turn led me to be able to push harder and drive my lap-times down because of the confidence it gives you in being able to hit your marks that much more consistently. Almost seems an unfair advantage to me on console haha
I'm looking at the Fanatec but I'm concerned about reliability especially with the belt slipping as I've had nothing but problems with the older Fanatec models what do you think about the new stuff from Fanatec from a reliability standpoint ?
I had to go with the Fanatec CSL Elite for Assetto Corsa - PC, GT Sport - PS4, and Forza 7 - Xbox OneS. Had a bad experience with a Trashmaster wheel on Xbox360, so never again!
I'd love to see an updated video now that Thrustmaster has Load Cell Pedals, The TSSH+ works with consoles the GT Mode works with ACC on PS4 with Rotary Encoders and Thrustmaster has a new Rim coming April 20th.
@@ottoclave8289 sorry for the confusion I'll be getting the csr elite .... with the box to work with the ps4.... I just had the g29and sold it not because I didnt like it but because they're hard to find and was offered a price I couldn't refuse and leads me to get the CSR with pedal and shifter and still have change... I want the csl because I have ps4.. is they're a big difference between the csr and csl? Sorry to bother
@@regibson23 yes your right .. g29 is great just grippy u feel the banging inside. I'm using the csr with elite load cell pedals seq and 6spd shifter....wow... is all I can say... I wonder if theres a huge difference between the CSR and CSL
Hi there, i am also considering a new wheel (update from T150 pro; i play only on PS4). My list is considering T300 Alcantara, T-GT and CSL Elite. For me the option to update to load cell pedals in the future is really exiting but still not sure if the extra money for T-GT or CSL elite are such a big step-up from T300 especially where the pedals for t300 and T-GT are basically the same. I play GT Sport and AC equally. Considering that T-GT and CSL elite are not roughly the same price (without the LC) what will be your advise?
Nice review although was hard to keep up with all the points as you went along, would have been nice to have a overlay live table/tick list showing which wheel is 'winning'
I like the t-GT. Pedals not so much. Now running with CSL Elites + LC kit. Also had a loadcell mod for the t3pa. That does make them on par with the csl pedals in game use. But really like the csl pedals... they are way more quiet then the plastic sounds the Tm pedals produce.
Great video but I must ask: if the T-GT and the CSL Elite were priced the same and you were playing GT Sport 90% of the time, which gives the better overall experience?
How much does shipping normally cost through fanatec in the US? That is one thing that I have been trying to figure out. Since that can be the deal breaker for me on fanatec.
In Australia the Fanatec SCL Elite PS4 sells for around $800 to $900 without pedals and about $200 extra for the two pedal set or $450 for the three pedal set, and as far as I know Fanatec products can only be bought from two places in Australia. The Thrustmaster T-GT can be bought in quite a few places and sells for $1499 with pedals. Now for the wheels, the Fanatec wheels range from anywhere from $500 to $1000, very pricey and to be honest I think that is just ridiculous. Thrustmaster wheels are around $300 to $450 which I think is still quite up there in price but a lot cheaper than Fanatec.
If you live in a place where you still got T-GT in 800 USD but got fanatec csl elite ps4 starter kit (2 pedal) in 1200 USD, do you think fanatec will still considered a win for everything else as you said in this video ?
Very nice comparison. I am a CSL ELITE PS4 with Loadcell pedals upgrade owner, and I agree with your remarks about the wheel being very good in the PS4 and absolutely fantastic on the PC. I have only played gran turismo sport on PS4 and it is OK, but the FFB and details are dull when compared to what you get on asseto corsa or even better, Project Cars 2. We are still waiting for full compatibility on GT Sport, to properly and fairly judge it’s FFB, because on purple mode it is simply way behind than the FFB you get in PC sims.
Question, just bought t gt, when playing gts turning the wheel harder ir quits to menu, start bitton actiates etc. What settings i should use? Or is it faulty wherl?
I play primarily GT sport, however I'm still can't pick between the two does the transducer on the tgt make that much of a difference or should I go with the fanatec csl f1 bundle instead for the same
The Tactile Transducer on the T-GT is great for adding immersion, but I feel like the Fanatec is the better all-around product. If you ONLY play GT Sport (and aren't planning on jumping to PC racing in the future), I'd say the T-GT is a great option especially since you can find it for a far lower price now (at the time of this comment, it's at around $530 on Amazon). Basically the only real major downside of this vs the CSL is the pedals. The CSL Elite pedals are MUCH better than the Thrustmaster pedals, and you have the option to add a load cell brake in the future. Downside of CSL pedals from that bundle: You don't get the third pedal out of the box. If you're considering going to PC, or want a better upgrade path, I'd recommend the CSL. Hope this is of help to you! Let me know if you have any more questions
A note for 2019-Thrustmaster was wise to lower the price of the T-GT. Its selling for $579.99 on Amazon. The Fanatec equivalent is no where to be found on Amazon (used for $879). The Fanatec website doesn't even have a bundle of the CSL Elite with the CSL Elite wheel. There is a CSL Elite F1 set for $699.95 and the set this video closely resembles the Xbox One Competition Pack for $799.99. Fanatec is definitely at the top but is more expensive and convoluted to get a bundle package out of the box. You basically have to piecemeal it and buy the base $349.95, Wheel $169.95, Pedals $99.95 at $619.85. Then if you want to add the third pedal at $129.95.
Can every csl elite ps4 user take a look at their quickrelease? Mine had a small crack in the plastics just above the metal ring, in one of the 4 grooves. It is barely visible......
I wouldn't call the t-gt, competitively priced. At its price point, it's in competition with the Clubsport V2.5, not the CSL Elite. Hell, for a bit more, you're in DD wheel territory.
The T-GT includes pedals and some way to control transmission; where at $1500 the Fanatec DD1 is just the wheel base. Another $100+ on a wheel rim, $100 for shifter, $300+ for pedals and you're probably over $2,000 to get the "full package" of the T-GT. I wouldn't choose to spend 800 USD on a T-GT personally, but it's less than half what a DD setup costs
The T-GT IS NOT priced competitively. Its priced very high. I don't like FANATEC wheels because I've had too many of them go bad on me but I would buy the CSL wheel any day before I would buy the T-GT.
Steve 30x I think simracing brands need to manage expectations better. They do have quality issues, but I think they really have to come clean and talk about the life expectancy of these wheels, the design specs, because a lot of people are complaining about belt driven wheels going bad after a year or two, and in all honesty, I don’t think such a lightweight, mechanical equipment is designed or expected to last for more than a couple years, with variance setting in and some getting broken before. I have had my CSL Elite ps4 since launch, and i can tell you that equipment sure takes a beating. I must have used it for about 400 hours, and I honestly don’t know for how many more they were designed for, but at this pace I would be extremely surprised if some things don’t fail in a couple years. Maybe I am wrong. I am not a mechanical Engineer, but a civil engineer, and my knowledge of material mechanics and overall mechanics suggests me I shouldn’t be expecting more than what Insaid.
alitomr's gaming channel I bought a Fanatec GT3 RS Wheel five years ago. The wheel failed within nine weeks , It took Fanatec support ten days to reply to me and anoither twoi weeks almost going to and forth with them to replae the wheel , They replaced that wheel and six weeks later the power supply for the replacement wheel failed, they then sent me a used power supply. Three months later the replacement wheel failed so I was fedup of the failures and sold the second replacement wheel. I have a Standard CSR here and the right paddle shifter is gone mushy and doesn't work anymore and the wheel is gone stiff and slow after two and a half years. This is why I no longer trust Fanatec Wheels. The Pedals are a different story though. I have CSR Elite Pedals with four years and its only recently the brake pedal is starting to give up. I think it needs a new load cell because the brake pedal in all games think I have the brake pedal slightly pressed even though my foot isn't touching the pedal. I wouldn't have to think twice again to buy Fanatec PEdals. I love my pedal set and might get the CSL Elite pedals.
Steve 30x that is my point, you’ve had one wheel for 5 years and it failed. I think it went beyond the designed life expectancy. The other equipment obviously had issues and died too soon, almost for sure were defective out of the factory.
alitomr's gaming channel You didn't even read all of what I said. I've had THREE wheels from Fanatec in five years.The first one Failed k, the power supply from the replacement wheel failed then the replacement wheel failed. The third wheel is almost useless after two and a half years but I have a Thrustmaster wheel now.
Morning from California... I'm getting clipping and on the street the car sways left and right. Can't figure out my wheel settings. Can you share your CSL elite will settings?? Thank you in advance...
What it sounds like off the top of my head is that you may have "Drift Mode" set to a positive number. Set "DRI" in the Fanatec wheel settings to a negative number (I usually use -3), and that may help. If you have any more questions, shoot me an email at william@simracingpaddock.com!
Well...I will finally get the Thrustmaster. At this point in time it sits at 499 and therefore it is better value for someone like me who plays a lot of GT Sport. I also expect it to be compatible with the PS5 and I am not so confident about Fanatec support right out of the gate based on the history with their Playstation licensing.
Well my two cents is. 1st I had the t300rs and used it mainly for driveclub 4 years ago. It was awesome, but I'm not a hardcore sim racer. But your review is like apples and oranges really. I mean, you 1st have to figure out where you're going to race mostly 🤔? The no brainier to me is the CSL elete all day long now for what I want to do beyond PS4 GT. So if you do want to venture off to IRacing, Corsa, RaceRoom so-to-say you'll be set. I'm just now getting back into the video/sim racing again, building my setup now. This time around I'm going to go with the CSL setup. Thanks for your review, most helpful bud 👍 thanks.
In Canada the cost for the fanatec is 1352 $ CAD (included price and shipping) for the 2.5 base, bmw wheel and v3 pedals. Here in Quebec we have 2 taxes. 202.80$ of taxes. A total of 1554.80$ CAD. I'm happy with my Thrustmaster ts-pc wheel. total cost 747.48$
He's not talking about the V2.5, it's the CSL Elite PS4 which, with it's load cell pedals and cheaper price is much better value than any of the new Thrustmaster wheels IMO and can be used on ALL platforms with all it's peripherals being plug-and-play direct into the base
Again, the CSL isn't the CSW, CSL is cheaper than the TS-GT that he is talking about. TS-PC is PC only and comes without any pedals, which does give you the option to buy Fanatec (or other) load-cell pedals and connect them separately via USB on PC (which i feel you'd be silly not to do in that instance as the TM pedals, while functional, are light years behind the Fanatecs) but again, this isn't what William is talking about in the video. William is talking about wheels that are PS4 compatible and in that instance, with the load cell pedals and compatibility across ALL platforms the CSL Elite PS4 is clearly IMO much better value unless you are going to restrict yourself to a single game on a single platform
i needed this video man thanks im in the market for a new wheel and pedal set and these two were on the list i was already leaning fanatec and this video just confirmed it for me. the eco system options is a big plus and ill be using this on pc mostly and a little ps4 also the quick release system fanatec has is better imo. great video
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That input lag..... By the way the CSL is not yet fully implemented in gt sport in "blue mode" so the rev light and digit will work in an update to come.
I own the csl elite + the load cell and i would never let it for a tg-t and those gadget option such as the transducer. Good pedals make you more confident and consistent. I spend most of my time on gt sport but i also other titles and pc games. The problem is the t-gt is overpriced so somehow there is no competiton.
Why do you say Gran so weird? It should sound like gran from grandma. Not a single person says it the way you do american, canadian, aussie, english, french, german, italian no one says it like you do.
It's unbelievable that people spend this kind of money on wheels to play games on a PlayStation when all you need to do is get a $150 video card for your PC. Any decent processor will run sims. I haven't been impressed by Thrustmaster at all. Got a T300. The plug jiggles itself out which is a known issue. And the stock pedals are laughable. Their website looks like it hasn't been updated since 1998.
The CSL entirely made of plastic. The base mounting is not reliable. It plays up/down significantly. The FFB is sluggish. The T-GT and TS-PC/XW are much better than CSL.
EDITOR'S NOTE: Apparently, a recent Firmware Update has changed the way compatibility mode works in the CSL Elite PS4, so now titles like DriveClub and F1 2016 DO WORK!!!
3:55 and 4:20 - I meant to say mm, NOT cm! Sorry for that mistake! That's what I get for recording a voiceover at 1 AM 😂
Having tried both I think the Fanatec is the better option period. Even if I was mainly focused on GT Sport because I feel the LC brake more than makes up for the difference in FFB. Personally I did not miss the tactile feedback of the T-GT but I was initially disappointed by the FFB in GT Sport on the CSL Elite. However being able to tune the FFB on the wheel made a big difference to the end result and the FFB is still very good but without the tactile feedback it does feel a little bland compared to good PC FFB. That said the FFB in PC2 is the real disappointment on the CSL Elite and IMO the T-GT feels better. It is no fault of Fanatec and comes down to the developers implementation of the wheels. Again I wouldn't give up the Load Cell Brake and that more than makes up for the difference in feel. The T-GT was extremely disappointing to me outside of GT Sport due to the rotary dials and associated buttons not being functional. My T-GT also has a very gritty feeling when turning and the CSL Elite is much smoother and a better feeling wheel as a result but the T-GT did have a more direct feeling to the FFB. The pedals are the real winner. The CSL Elite pedals with Load Cell brake are a fantastic value and are simply a great pedal set. They make the CSL Elite package a winner on PS4. I love them. Of course on PC they can be combined with any wheel and with additional hardware that is also possible on the PS4 but not with the same level of functionality. The pedals are a real let down on the T-GT especially on GT Sport due to it's too sensitive brake implementation. Being able to adjust the brake sensitivity on the Fanatec package is a godsend. All that said, FFB on a console using a official wheel is a disappointing experience when compared to PC FFB at this time unfortunately. While I had high hopes for the tactile FFB in GT Sport it still does not compete with the good sims on PC and compatibility and implementation in games on the PS4 at this time leaves a bit to be desired. Ultimately the PS4 CSL Elite is still the best package IMO on the PS4 but it is better on PC and on PC the T-GT is also a really good option especially with the extra functionality of those dials and extra buttons but it isn't at good value at that price with those pedals and the size of the rim was a bad decision by Polyphony Digital.
@simracingpaddock can you do a video comparing the CSR vs CSL?
I've had 2 T300 wheels along with T3PA AND T3PA-PRO pedals. Really like the wheels and pedals. It's all you really need for PS4. But hey when I'm ready to upgrade my kit I'm going CSL Elite with the Elite LC pedals. The larger rim, better FFB, and load cell...thats what you call an upgrade.
Great review as usual William.
DriveClub, F1 2016 and WRC 6 are working with the purple compatibility mode (after they changed it to emulate a G29 instead of the CSW V2) so every ps4 simracing title actually is compatible.
Michael Salo correct but at least they are working.. And William said in this comparison that those titles are not compatible at all which isn't true...
Gotta be the CSL Elite, having the load cell pedals makes it a no-brainer for me. Definitely made me more consistent in my braking which in turn led me to be able to push harder and drive my lap-times down because of the confidence it gives you in being able to hit your marks that much more consistently. Almost seems an unfair advantage to me on console haha
Rev lights work perfectly fine now for GTS in PS4 mode, it's a great wheel with more future options than the TGT in my opinion.
I'm looking at the Fanatec but I'm concerned about reliability especially with the belt slipping as I've had nothing but problems with the older Fanatec models what do you think about the new stuff from Fanatec from a reliability standpoint ?
I had to go with the Fanatec CSL Elite for Assetto Corsa - PC, GT Sport - PS4, and Forza 7 - Xbox OneS. Had a bad experience with a Trashmaster wheel on Xbox360, so never again!
About to get my CSL Elite in 3 weeks 😊
I'd love to see an updated video now that Thrustmaster has Load Cell Pedals, The TSSH+ works with consoles the GT Mode works with ACC on PS4 with Rotary Encoders and Thrustmaster has a new Rim coming April 20th.
What about the g29 compared to these to ... how is the feel on the road feel for the g29 compared to the fanatec?
Night and day. You won't be disappointed. Much smoother.
G29 is like a toy compared to these.
@@ottoclave8289 sorry for the confusion I'll be getting the csr elite .... with the box to work with the ps4.... I just had the g29and sold it not because I didnt like it but because they're hard to find and was offered a price I couldn't refuse and leads me to get the CSR with pedal and shifter and still have change... I want the csl because I have ps4.. is they're a big difference between the csr and csl? Sorry to bother
@@ottoclave8289 wow using fanatec csr wheel with elite load cell pedals on ps4 with drive hub. Absolutely amazing.
@@regibson23 yes your right .. g29 is great just grippy u feel the banging inside. I'm using the csr with elite load cell pedals seq and 6spd shifter....wow... is all I can say... I wonder if theres a huge difference between the CSR and CSL
Hi there, i am also considering a new wheel (update from T150 pro; i play only on PS4). My list is considering T300 Alcantara, T-GT and CSL Elite. For me the option to update to load cell pedals in the future is really exiting but still not sure if the extra money for T-GT or CSL elite are such a big step-up from T300 especially where the pedals for t300 and T-GT are basically the same. I play GT Sport and AC equally. Considering that T-GT and CSL elite are not roughly the same price (without the LC) what will be your advise?
Nice review although was hard to keep up with all the points as you went along, would have been nice to have a overlay live table/tick list showing which wheel is 'winning'
am I the only person who covers up the LEDS on thd elite unless i need them? Find them too annoying and bright.
Why would you compare the MSRP of one item with the On-Sale price of the other.. it seems extremely misleading.
I like the t-GT. Pedals not so much. Now running with CSL Elites + LC kit. Also had a loadcell mod for the t3pa. That does make them on par with the csl pedals in game use. But really like the csl pedals... they are way more quiet then the plastic sounds the Tm pedals produce.
Great video but I must ask: if the T-GT and the CSL Elite were priced the same and you were playing GT Sport 90% of the time, which gives the better overall experience?
How much does shipping normally cost through fanatec in the US? That is one thing that I have been trying to figure out. Since that can be the deal breaker for me on fanatec.
In Australia the Fanatec SCL Elite PS4 sells for around $800 to $900 without pedals and about $200 extra for the two pedal set or $450 for the three pedal set, and as far as I know Fanatec products can only be bought from two places in Australia. The Thrustmaster T-GT can be bought in quite a few places and sells for $1499 with pedals. Now for the wheels, the Fanatec wheels range from anywhere from $500 to $1000, very pricey and to be honest I think that is just ridiculous. Thrustmaster wheels are around $300 to $450 which I think is still quite up there in price but a lot cheaper than Fanatec.
Did you by any chance test the CSL Elite with the PS3? I wonder if I could play Gran turismo 6 with it.
If you live in a place where you still got T-GT in 800 USD but got fanatec csl elite ps4 starter kit (2 pedal) in 1200 USD, do you think fanatec will still considered a win for everything else as you said in this video ?
Great review, very informative. The fact that you had millimeters mistaken for centimeters was quite funny :D 😀
Very nice comparison. I am a CSL ELITE PS4 with Loadcell pedals upgrade owner, and I agree with your remarks about the wheel being very good in the PS4 and absolutely fantastic on the PC. I have only played gran turismo sport on PS4 and it is OK, but the FFB and details are dull when compared to what you get on asseto corsa or even better, Project Cars 2.
We are still waiting for full compatibility on GT Sport, to properly and fairly judge it’s FFB, because on purple mode it is simply way behind than the FFB you get in PC sims.
Question, just bought t gt, when playing gts turning the wheel harder ir quits to menu, start bitton actiates etc. What settings i should use? Or is it faulty wherl?
I play primarily GT sport, however I'm still can't pick between the two does the transducer on the tgt make that much of a difference or should I go with the fanatec csl f1 bundle instead for the same
The Tactile Transducer on the T-GT is great for adding immersion, but I feel like the Fanatec is the better all-around product.
If you ONLY play GT Sport (and aren't planning on jumping to PC racing in the future), I'd say the T-GT is a great option especially since you can find it for a far lower price now (at the time of this comment, it's at around $530 on Amazon).
Basically the only real major downside of this vs the CSL is the pedals. The CSL Elite pedals are MUCH better than the Thrustmaster pedals, and you have the option to add a load cell brake in the future. Downside of CSL pedals from that bundle: You don't get the third pedal out of the box.
If you're considering going to PC, or want a better upgrade path, I'd recommend the CSL.
Hope this is of help to you! Let me know if you have any more questions
A note for 2019-Thrustmaster was wise to lower the price of the T-GT. Its selling for $579.99 on Amazon. The Fanatec equivalent is no where to be found on Amazon (used for $879). The Fanatec website doesn't even have a bundle of the CSL Elite with the CSL Elite wheel. There is a CSL Elite F1 set for $699.95 and the set this video closely resembles the Xbox One Competition Pack for $799.99. Fanatec is definitely at the top but is more expensive and convoluted to get a bundle package out of the box. You basically have to piecemeal it and buy the base $349.95, Wheel $169.95, Pedals $99.95 at $619.85. Then if you want to add the third pedal at $129.95.
Look again because you are wrong. And fanatec beats trashmaster buy 1000%
Check again because you're wrong. And fanatec had load cell. Which trashmaster is just bringing out
theres obviously less of an input lag between the csl and the screen. notice that? might also have to do with the tv.
Can every csl elite ps4 user take a look at their quickrelease? Mine had a small crack in the plastics just above the metal ring, in one of the 4 grooves. It is barely visible......
I wouldn't call the t-gt, competitively priced. At its price point, it's in competition with the Clubsport V2.5, not the CSL Elite. Hell, for a bit more, you're in DD wheel territory.
Lmao. V2.5 base is $550 and Dr wheel is $1200-1500 plus learn math
The T-GT includes pedals and some way to control transmission; where at $1500 the Fanatec DD1 is just the wheel base. Another $100+ on a wheel rim, $100 for shifter, $300+ for pedals and you're probably over $2,000 to get the "full package" of the T-GT.
I wouldn't choose to spend 800 USD on a T-GT personally, but it's less than half what a DD setup costs
The T-GT IS NOT priced competitively. Its priced very high. I don't like FANATEC wheels because I've had too many of them go bad on me but I would buy the CSL wheel any day before I would buy the T-GT.
Steve 30x I think simracing brands need to manage expectations better. They do have quality issues, but I think they really have to come clean and talk about the life expectancy of these wheels, the design specs, because a lot of people are complaining about belt driven wheels going bad after a year or two, and in all honesty, I don’t think such a lightweight, mechanical equipment is designed or expected to last for more than a couple years, with variance setting in and some getting broken before.
I have had my CSL Elite ps4 since launch, and i can tell you that equipment sure takes a beating. I must have used it for about 400 hours, and I honestly don’t know for how many more they were designed for, but at this pace I would be extremely surprised if some things don’t fail in a couple years.
Maybe I am wrong. I am not a mechanical
Engineer, but a civil engineer, and my knowledge of material mechanics and overall mechanics suggests me I shouldn’t be expecting more than what Insaid.
alitomr's gaming channel I bought a Fanatec GT3 RS Wheel five years ago. The wheel failed within nine weeks , It took Fanatec support ten days to reply to me and anoither twoi weeks almost going to and forth with them to replae the wheel , They replaced that wheel and six weeks later the power supply for the replacement wheel failed, they then sent me a used power supply. Three months later the replacement wheel failed so I was fedup of the failures and sold the second replacement wheel. I have a Standard CSR here and the right paddle shifter is gone mushy and doesn't work anymore and the wheel is gone stiff and slow after two and a half years. This is why I no longer trust Fanatec Wheels.
The Pedals are a different story though. I have CSR Elite Pedals with four years and its only recently the brake pedal is starting to give up. I think it needs a new load cell because the brake pedal in all games think I have the brake pedal slightly pressed even though my foot isn't touching the pedal. I wouldn't have to think twice again to buy Fanatec PEdals. I love my pedal set and might get the CSL Elite pedals.
Steve 30x that is my point, you’ve had one wheel for 5 years and it failed. I think it went beyond the designed life expectancy. The other equipment obviously had issues and died too soon, almost for sure were defective out of the factory.
alitomr's gaming channel You didn't even read all of what I said. I've had THREE wheels from Fanatec in five years.The first one Failed k, the power supply from the replacement wheel failed then the replacement wheel failed. The third wheel is almost useless after two and a half years but I have a Thrustmaster wheel now.
@@Steve30x Exactly the same experience I had with Fanatec Wheels. They are junk. What wheel would you recommend?
Morning from California... I'm getting clipping and on the street the car sways left and right. Can't figure out my wheel settings. Can you share your CSL elite will settings?? Thank you in advance...
What it sounds like off the top of my head is that you may have "Drift Mode" set to a positive number. Set "DRI" in the Fanatec wheel settings to a negative number (I usually use -3), and that may help. If you have any more questions, shoot me an email at william@simracingpaddock.com!
Well...I will finally get the Thrustmaster. At this point in time it sits at 499 and therefore it is better value for someone like me who plays a lot of GT Sport. I also expect it to be compatible with the PS5 and I am not so confident about Fanatec support right out of the gate based on the history with their Playstation licensing.
Banana Joe wish they were still that cheap. Hard to find under 800 and all over seas right now.
If u look at it, you can clearly tell a deadzone in the tgt
Well my two cents is. 1st I had the t300rs and used it mainly for driveclub 4 years ago. It was awesome, but I'm not a hardcore sim racer. But your review is like apples and oranges really. I mean, you 1st have to figure out where you're going to race mostly 🤔? The no brainier to me is the CSL elete all day long now for what I want to do beyond PS4 GT. So if you do want to venture off to IRacing, Corsa, RaceRoom so-to-say you'll be set. I'm just now getting back into the video/sim racing again, building my setup now. This time around I'm going to go with the CSL setup. Thanks for your review, most helpful bud 👍 thanks.
In Canada the cost for the fanatec is 1352 $ CAD (included price and shipping) for the 2.5 base, bmw wheel and v3 pedals. Here in Quebec we have 2 taxes. 202.80$ of taxes. A total of 1554.80$ CAD. I'm happy with my Thrustmaster ts-pc wheel. total cost 747.48$
He's not talking about the V2.5, it's the CSL Elite PS4 which, with it's load cell pedals and cheaper price is much better value than any of the new Thrustmaster wheels IMO and can be used on ALL platforms with all it's peripherals being plug-and-play direct into the base
well, it feels like BMW（tspc） is enough, why do you to buy Ferrari（csw all）. right?
Again, the CSL isn't the CSW, CSL is cheaper than the TS-GT that he is talking about. TS-PC is PC only and comes without any pedals, which does give you the option to buy Fanatec (or other) load-cell pedals and connect them separately via USB on PC (which i feel you'd be silly not to do in that instance as the TM pedals, while functional, are light years behind the Fanatecs) but again, this isn't what William is talking about in the video. William is talking about wheels that are PS4 compatible and in that instance, with the load cell pedals and compatibility across ALL platforms the CSL Elite PS4 is clearly IMO much better value unless you are going to restrict yourself to a single game on a single platform
i needed this video man thanks im in the market for a new wheel and pedal set and these two were on the list i was already leaning fanatec and this video just confirmed it for me. the eco system options is a big plus and ill be using this on pc mostly and a little ps4 also the quick release system fanatec has is better imo. great video
Nice review. Were the wheels lended, bought or sponsored?
Both wheels were sent to me to keep for review.
Nice 👍, what amp you have there mate?
Richard jumpuprich it's the Sony STR-DH750. I had previously used it as my living room home theater amp, but I recently upgraded to a Denon AVR-X2400H that I got for around 50% off.
Sim Racing Paddock yh kool can't go wrong with denon mate really good amps I've always had denons but decided to have a change and got a harman kardon 171 7.2,
U should do a video comparing the dfp to the dfgt
Classic gaming
That input lag.....
By the way the CSL is not yet fully implemented in gt sport in "blue mode" so the rev light and digit will work in an update to come.
Ulk 69 that tyre screech
It's been updated and fully suppoted
It is now.
Great review Mr Marsh
280 cm is i little too big i think. Thanks for the video mate
You must have tiny arms. I won't go lower than 300 m.
I own the csl elite + the load cell and i would never let it for a tg-t and those gadget option such as the transducer. Good pedals make you more confident and consistent. I spend most of my time on gt sport but i also other titles and pc games. The problem is the t-gt is overpriced so somehow there is no competiton.
280 cm ... 300 cm ... ???????? Not really ;)
x__G4M3R __o that's what I get for recording a late night voiceover! Thanks for the catch!
I picked up on that!!! Talk about it taking over your living room... :-D
280cm and 300cm rims might be deal breakers ;)
Millimeters... yeah! ;)
Tgt been on sale on amazon for a few weeks
Yep, planning on getting it soon hopefully, just waiting for the price to drop a bit more.
Mark Shkurko the price dropped again, i hope u grabbed one, i got mine for $522
I've had many problems with the Thrustmaster GT-g.
TGT is amazing wheel
Can i use the thrustmaster ferrari F1 wheel rim with the T-GT?
z2h2turbo yes. Any thrustmaster add on wheel
GT Planet brought me here.
Just waiting for mi T-GT From EEUU. I live in Chile
Did you clean your room already? J/K :D
Why do you say Gran so weird? It should sound like gran from grandma. Not a single person says it the way you do american, canadian, aussie, english, french, german, italian no one says it like you do.
It's unbelievable that people spend this kind of money on wheels to play games on a PlayStation when all you need to do is get a $150 video card for your PC. Any decent processor will run sims.
I haven't been impressed by Thrustmaster at all. Got a T300. The plug jiggles itself out which is a known issue. And the stock pedals are laughable. Their website looks like it hasn't been updated since 1998.
Notification squad reporting in :)
280cm and 300cm would be like turning a fucking boat lol
More Garth, more better...
The CSL entirely made of plastic. The base mounting is not reliable. It plays up/down significantly. The FFB is sluggish. The T-GT and TS-PC/XW are much better than CSL.
You've never used one then, the base is solid if installed properly and the ffb is excellent too, the TG-T isn't as future proof and limited - fact.
Fake news
Lmao trashmaster is all plastic to. Only metal on ts-pc is the gay vents
GROHN TURISMO SPORT
Csl elite all day long! Thrustmaster are over priced and cheaply made with poor quality materials for the base. Fanatec all day long.
TGT ugly af