Paul Kingsnorth: Beyond the Protest
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- Kingsnorth is an English writer and thinker currently living in Ireland. Growing up he was actively involved in protests, at one point going so far to chain himself to a bridge. He has worked for Greenpeace, openDemocracy, and EarthAction, is an honorary member of the Lani tribe and was infamously named one of Britain's top 10 troublemakers. He is also a recent convert to Orthodoxy. Today John and Kingsnorth talk about the journey from protest to humbleness and seeing the divine around us.
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A culture cannot have an empty throne. How very true.
Thank you 😊☦️🙏
That was an excellent interview fellas. I just very recently "stumbled" on one of Paul's interview, maybe like Christianity came upon him, and I am totally emersed in what he has to say. His explanation of how you can honor your/the Creator through creation, is something I can truly relate to, and it has served me very well. He's a messenger.
Great host. Good questions
With each conversation you make, I like your podcast more.
Thanks to God and also, let’s see if there is a way to make even better conversations indeed! Greetings from South Carolina. I hope to talk to Paul again soon. Suggestions?!
@@heavythingslightly I don't know. What do you think about dr John Mark Reynolds? Greetings from Serbia.
Curiosity is that natural part of us that begins our search for truth . Good conversation . Thanks , refreshing .
Such a great conversation - Thank you!
Very! solid .
Congrats .
A great person, with a great mind always puts out their best, when the one sitting across from him/her, is well equiped to the challenge ;)
Thanks for this.
(Cheers from Portugal)
Cheers and much love from SC… Paul is allowing us to reconsider what love for nature looks like. He and many others are awake to a very old anthropology, a more authentic way to know who we are as a part of nature and reality…. Little by little. Peace to you!
Our culture is like all forms of destructive addiction. We’re just gonna have to go thru the chaos of relinquishing responsibility in favour of pleasure until we hit rock bottom. Then the new will begin to emerge.
So we’ll said. We have perfected the art of product delivery. And now we are addicts. It’s like Covid in a way… the waking up has to run through us all before the healing can begin.
jesus, for a love thy neighbor guy, disliked scribes and moneychangers...that same scenario seems to be repeating itself, with moneychangers and scribes once again showing their souls...let us hope this time they are the ones strung up...
I subbed because you ask good questions. :)!
We hate question askers.
That's all part of sinking ships.
The human race can't afford that anymore.
We will keep trying to ask more! Thanks!
@@dreyn7780 vivian fisher
Your new world buddies point, saying “you don’t understand, I can’t believe “was me for the first 40 years of my life, but like so many others, Peterson was the gateway drug and Pageau and a profound personal experience sent me off to the races, and now, to my surprise more than anyone, now I just attended a ROCOR church and I can’t wait to go back
ROCOR! That was my gateway too. They’ll keep you straight and pull no punches. And somehow you’ll like it! Much love to you…
Yaaaa
We are going within. Listen to Eckhart Tolle & finding presence. Listen to Dr. Joe Dispenza and what is happening with people who are healing themselves as they open their hearts. Think what world we would have if we behaved according to five heart values of Appreciation, compassion, forgiveness, humility, understanding and seeing the divine in yourself & everyone.
Also check out Oswald Spangler and his notion of the Magian era… cavernous “within”… we have a chance to recoup this idea now I think…
Can someone Messenger me....about Paul mentioning a mystical branch of Christianity that his Irish monastery introduced him to
Thank you
Richard sanderson
At the risk of pedantry, there is one day of creation not called good, the second, when God divides the waters. It's led to an entire tradition of mystical speculation about the meaning, culminating in a wariness of twos and dualistic divisions, and the figure of Benarius. The most immediate interpretation is that the second day sees an unnatural division - water from water, rather than say dark from light. It's somehow necessary for creation but must be treated warily. And what must be avoided are dualisms as the basis for understanding reality - binary logic, you might say. That really misses the point, really falls from what's good.
The avoidance of the deep dualism is indeed essential and indeed the deepest challenge for us binary thinking humans. Especially those of us trained up in the Aristotelian west. But there seems to be a bloom going on if a type of Neo Platonism… I think a type of “new” Orthodoxy (which of course is a terribly poor phrase but helpful within the context of this comment I hope)… A bloom that asks us to see layers instead of “sides”.
@@heavythingslightly I like that layers not sides, thanks.
The stasis of our contemporary commoditised reality has caused intellectuals like Paul to revert back to faith and, unfortunately, he then becomes marginalised as an anachronist. To deny progress is irrealistic and to not appreciate the benefits it brings is irrational, he is now shipwrecked on the island state of religion which appeared to him as the only escape. The divine centre of culture, which he posits used to be the throne for God only to be replaced by capitalism, should not be centred on concepts. Instead, it should be a utopian horizon of living principles like equality, community and harmony. If there is tangible evidence of society moving towards these objectives then we have a guiding structure to a better reality.
Please read the bible, it is His specific word to mankind; nature is His general revelation.
It's only relevant to cavepeople.
Nobody's listening to strangers anymore.
@@dreyn7780 how about loving thy neighbour
@@universalflamethrower6342 yes and along with loving our neighbor, above all else how bout we love The LORD with all our heart mind and soul..
Did he say”fossil fuel” 😂 everything is a story of marketing agents to sell stuff. And steward of the land and dominion is our work, but motive and results are important. Cutting down a tree for the benefit of man is good. But for profit is another story
What is the ecological function of humans? This question is essentially The Big Question, in my life at least 🤷♂️
Yes, which isn’t far from “What is the cosmological function”… and that has something to do with anthropology I think. What image are we meant to manifest?
Aye. The anthropization of the fundamental, so that we might play with it...😊
Here is your answer charleseisenstein.org/books/climate-a-new-story/eng/tending-the-wild/
Be the priests of creation as appointed by God in Genesis
Human is a gardener... That's a Christian theological answer that I do 100% agree. We can protect and grow it even to other planets but instead we do nothing!
I'm glad you're coming around to God, but your view of the pilgrims is wrong. These protestant saints(every true Christian is a saint) were the foundation of the greatest move of God in the history of the world. These people were persecuted by religious zealots.. just like we're seeing in 2021. Woke radicals are on a crusade against the people of God.. You were right, it is the unfolding of Revelation. Read the bible, it's the word of God.
Wrong.
The world experienced building pyramids.
That's undisputed.
To STOP the pyramid building process, religion was invented.
Both are a waste of time.
While you're wasting time and people's lives, the asteroid is on It's way.
@@dreyn7780 Strangely enough, that's also in the book of Revelation 6:13. "And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind." Read the bible, .. start with Matthew.
Since when protestants are "True Christians" eh
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc I said the pilgrims were true Christians, and also Protestants.
You’re right of course that not all Protestants are Christians. Wheat/Tare parable is true.
@@LifeandLifeMoreAbundantly which pilgrims sorry I don't remember what were you referring to... And protestant being Christians - how they can be Christians when they're against Church, granted they were opposing the false self proclaimed church, who on their own were opposing the Church. How a muslim can be muslim when he opposes Islam and just uses name Islam to call himself, while opposing everything that is Islam
And not just opposing teaching of Christ, but aggressively being against Christ. So one can't even call them a sectarians, at least organizationally - their organizations are opposing Christ, while their followers could be muddied water
I love what you end up saying but I like trump in that unlike other presidents he is openly bad ,I think God hates hypocrisy more.
Yeah but... The Jetsons isn't scary... is it? 😟
I don't think there is a 'western culture'. The culture of my ancestors was forcibly removed from them along with their land. Unless you count bare minimum physical survival by pretending to agree with the dictates of the empire a culture. Enclosures, witch and heretic burnings alive at the stake, torture in the name of religion -- that's the kind of people that purposely decultured all the peasants they could get their mitts on. And they did the same thing to indigenous peoples everywhere they went. That's not a culture, that's a cult. And those of us who have survived it are just waiting for it to collapse so that we can begin again. I don't 'believe in' or 'support' the cult of empire, which is what you must mean by 'western culture'. That western culture is a cult of consumerism that replaces the actual culture of peasants and indigenous people everywhere. I would have a culture of the earth, of life, of getting back in tune with natural systems. I kind of have that now but it's very hidden. I know what I believe in but can't live it because the hyperinflation created by the empire destroys our ability, once again, to live on the land that they are buying up with hedge funds. So that's why I say we are surviving but how long can people survive with no land to live on? There is no western culture, there are people who have been tortured out of their cultures into this empty vacuous consumerism worker slave reality.
I don't think we peasants rejected God. We were forced to pretend we did so that we aren't persecuted. During this covid scam ministers of churches were arrested and charged for holding services in Canada. the removal of Christianity wasn't done by us, it was done TO us by evil rulers. There are rulers, and they have been doing this for a long time. I don't think there was a power vacuum, they have been pushing their agenda for many centuries, starting way back in Rome with the roman empire. It's time for the empire to die so that we can rebuild our cultures. All of us. Dump materialism and start having VALUES again.
Unless you define western culture as Stockholm Syndrome. Or maybe the higher levels of classes voluntarily embraced it, but then they are part of the empire and worked to support it. The peasants did not. People didn't move to the 'new world' because they were free to do as they liked in Europe or England. They moved to a new world because they had no choice. My ancestors' history is one of severe persecution on all sides. Not free to be Cathars, not free to be Huguenots, not free to be peasants and have land, they were pushed around Europe from one bloody ruler to another, used as cannon fodder or blockades against the Huns, and finally shunted off to Canada to work in mines or try to find somewhere free of tyrannical rulers. It worked for a while, they thought they might be free, but that was only while the empire was at work destroying indigenous cultures with residential schools. Indigenous people did not voluntarily give up their cultures either, it was literally forced out of them with betrayals and being rounded up like cattle and forced into torture chambers to get rid of the 'indian in the child'. This was not a choice they made freely to walk away from their culture to embrace empty materialism. That's the culture that was ripped from them in evil cruelty. But once the indigenous were totally decultured, the empire turned back to us, and now they are busy dividing and conquering again by deliberately pushing this fake pandemic and the stupid idea that all who are not injected are the enemy. When the real enemy are the rulers. This isn't something I ever believed in. I do not support western culture and never have, because it's a cult of evil, power and domination, no matter what ostensible institutions it worked through. So don't assume that everyone voluntarily embraced secularism. It was forced on us with extreme extreme extreme measures.
@@spinkyl9559 there is something very true in all of this I think spinkyL. Could it be you are describing every cult or principle that asks people to truly believe that they are the god? I feel like you are describing Babylon in this great riff. And Rome. And Assyria. I think. But these comments have me wondering deeply. Thank you….
Fun fact: last year I sent Paul Kingsnorth a manuscript for review of a novel which contains a pretty scathing critique of Christianity and a sex scene in a cathedral*. I had no idea Paul was in the process of converting! Thankfully he didn't seem to take offence and I got some useful feedback.
*another fun fact, I went to Chester Cathedral to get some inspiration for the scene, and the Bishop was going round asking people what had drawn them to the building that day. I decided to avoid him.
What a jape! You are a card....
He's not a monk in isolation.
I'm sure he could use a good laugh.
You're exposing your lack of education.