I did expect this (I was planning to do this testing on my Glenleathann series, once the farm is up and running), but I've long expected that the herbicide penalty was in effect for Precision Farming, as it is without it. I did already figure the ultimate cheaty result - plow the field, direct drill with all the mulching, rolling, etc, BUT get you a sprayer with spot spray, take it out to the field and turn it on for a few seconds (by all means drive forward a few feet), and you get the best yield AND you get the maximum EB from weed treatment!
indeed they patched it but if you do a full job with see and spray next month after you mechanically remove the weeds you get the full bonus and consume zero herbicide. the strangest things...
I love your information's packed videos! Great one! I was sure before that spraying is lowering the yield so I use mechanical removing. BUT, thank you for spot-spray "field cheat drive". It did not occur to me at all. It is worth to LEASE spot-spray just for that 😉
Great Video D. You could increase the Fertilising score by applying a bit of fertiliser after the weeding in the first month. that would make it perfect.
I reached the same conclusion for different reasons for me it was about yield mattering more than environmental score I'll take the overall hit to that score (couple %) vs. the loss in production. Currently I mechanically weed right after I roll the field and will take a look at the field 1 month later and run it over again if I missed any spots. I always found it weird that it was viewed as more environmentally friendly to use chemicals to manage weeds vs. mechanical methods. The argument is supposedly that it disturbs the ground less. But that also made me scratch my hea thinking about how a mechanical weeded works. Are we disturbing the ground more than shallow cultivating or direct drilling do? I would think its somewhere in the middle of those processes IRL.
Very interesting strange that you get higher environmental score from see and spray vs mechanical. Would love to see a comparison vid on different ferts strategies. I have been try to do the most organic style by mulching, lime, seeding, slurry rolling and mechanical weeding🤘
I think that's down to the sponsor of PF, and there feature product. With fertilization as long as you get to the correct nitrogen level I don't think it matters. I do have a video on the cheapest way to do that.
It is explained in the documentation for Precision Farming. Essentially the problem is fuel use. Mechanical weeding is quite tough on the motor and burns a lot more fuel per acre. The big problem with herbicide is excess use, if you use exactly enough to kill just the plant you want and the herbicide decomposes afterwards without it hurting any other plant, herbicides are relatively non harmful. So that's why the hierarchy: worst - spraying everywhere, much better but not best - mechanical weeding, best - very precise spraying. It comes down to the question what we think harms the environment more and precision farming decides that the excess fuel use for mechanical weeding is worse than the minimal amount of herbicide see&spray uses.
I do mechanical weeding, then once there is growth run spot spray on the field. Doesn’t do anything but increase your score. Or if I’m in a hurry and have a lot of money I’ll spray the field before growth without spot spraying, then once growth starts run the spot spray. No yield decrease for spraying and environmental bonus.
But the nice thing about See&Spray(tm) fitted to your sprayer, it also creates a similar usage effect when you're running it as a fertilizer, turns off the nozzles over the bits you already sprayed. Sure it's an expensive option just to get the cool graphics!
DS, thanks for the link to watch this. Very informative as usual. When you think about it the no plough into hoeing is what you would assume is best for the land if not for the yield. The fact it gives the best yield is a bonus. Need to start scouting out some good hoes :-D
I think some of the things in PF are about where the funding came from, mechanic weeding without chemical has to be better for the environment than even less chemicals. and good luck finding a hoe you enjoy ;)
@@DisTurbedSimulations Yeah so for arable after harvest we mulch, lime, direct seed, fert, weed, roll and finally spot spray (it won't use any herbicide but it will increase the environmental score. For grass after mowing we weed, lime, fert and then use the spot sprayer.
@@DisTurbedSimulations And sorry yeah we use the weeder straight after seeding even though it only says weeds growing and none are showing. You can also use the spot sprayer straight after seeding, we haven't tried that way yet to see if we get the same out come but if we do i think we would go. Mulch, direct seed, fert, lime, spot spray (easier to see where you've been as the lime texture is removed) and finally roll.
Use direct drilling other than 2 fields it wont direct drill and leaves patches undrilled. Have to cultivate those 2 fields then drill them afterwords. Have a 99 score atm.
You can also use the same trick with see and spray to get max environment score under weed control after plowing and seeding and I believe you still get 100% yield.
What doesn't make sense to me is that using a weeder doesn't garner a better score than spraying! Surely the reason see and spray is better scored than blanket spraying is the minimalist use of herbicide and the resulting minimalist environmental impact. But a mechanical weeder doesn't use any herbicide, so surely should be the best environmental score? What possible negative effect does a weeder have?
Good info. I still feel that PF is still a bit broken on FS22. When it comes to using natural fert (slurry, etc.), only or cover crops and rollers, it should give you better bonuses as it is far better for the environment. I feel it is quite prescriptive to get high environmental scores. I use PF to get realistic nitrogen and PH rates, and anything else is a bonus. Do like a Hoe, though😂😂
It is tricky to get fertilization right using organic fertilizing options, Giants could add a few things that would make that easier. But I guess in the real world it's kind of hard to get perfectly good levels without some tech and probably a bit of luck.
@DisTurbedSimulations I did a playthrough with just organic farming, and it was definitely just finding a balance. As you said, I guess, just like real life.
I did expect this (I was planning to do this testing on my Glenleathann series, once the farm is up and running), but I've long expected that the herbicide penalty was in effect for Precision Farming, as it is without it.
I did already figure the ultimate cheaty result - plow the field, direct drill with all the mulching, rolling, etc, BUT get you a sprayer with spot spray, take it out to the field and turn it on for a few seconds (by all means drive forward a few feet), and you get the best yield AND you get the maximum EB from weed treatment!
You now have to do a lot more that drive forward a few feet to get the see and spray bonus. They patched it a little in one of the updates
@@DisTurbedSimulations Well nuts - they keep patching the fun stuff out.
indeed they patched it but if you do a full job with see and spray next month after you mechanically remove the weeds you get the full bonus and consume zero herbicide. the strangest things...
I only have to do about 2 or 3 passes to get the full bonus not the whole field
Cracking video! Really well done and I am glad that mechanical weeding gets the best yield and score, as I enjoy weeding 😀
Thanks 👍
Thanks a lot! I was thinking about upgrading my sprayer to see and spray one. Now instead I will swap it for a weeder :)
Yeah I'll be spending more time weeding in future
I love your information's packed videos! Great one! I was sure before that spraying is lowering the yield so I use mechanical removing. BUT, thank you for spot-spray "field cheat drive". It did not occur to me at all. It is worth to LEASE spot-spray just for that 😉
Glad you learnt something, it also works for grass fields ;)
That really is a surprising result.
It was not at all what I expected
that video sorted my problem been doing spaying Glenleathann it looks like i be use mechanical instead now thx for the video 😃
Glad it helped
Thanks a lot! This makes No sense for me though. But now I know what to do and how to manager things better
Happy to help! Doesn't really make sense to me either
Great Video D. You could increase the Fertilising score by applying a bit of fertiliser after the weeding in the first month. that would make it perfect.
As it was consistent I wasn't worried. Perfectly perfect fertilizer wasn't a goal :)
Also thanks for the testing you did and the idea :)
I reached the same conclusion for different reasons for me it was about yield mattering more than environmental score I'll take the overall hit to that score (couple %) vs. the loss in production. Currently I mechanically weed right after I roll the field and will take a look at the field 1 month later and run it over again if I missed any spots.
I always found it weird that it was viewed as more environmentally friendly to use chemicals to manage weeds vs. mechanical methods. The argument is supposedly that it disturbs the ground less. But that also made me scratch my hea thinking about how a mechanical weeded works. Are we disturbing the ground more than shallow cultivating or direct drilling do? I would think its somewhere in the middle of those processes IRL.
My current process now is seed, weed, roll. I'm pretty sure the reason PF has see and spray as the best is linked to the sponsor of the development.
Very interesting strange that you get higher environmental score from see and spray vs mechanical. Would love to see a comparison vid on different ferts strategies. I have been try to do the most organic style by mulching, lime, seeding, slurry rolling and mechanical weeding🤘
I think that's down to the sponsor of PF, and there feature product. With fertilization as long as you get to the correct nitrogen level I don't think it matters. I do have a video on the cheapest way to do that.
@@DisTurbedSimulations cool will check it out
It is explained in the documentation for Precision Farming. Essentially the problem is fuel use. Mechanical weeding is quite tough on the motor and burns a lot more fuel per acre. The big problem with herbicide is excess use, if you use exactly enough to kill just the plant you want and the herbicide decomposes afterwards without it hurting any other plant, herbicides are relatively non harmful. So that's why the hierarchy: worst - spraying everywhere, much better but not best - mechanical weeding, best - very precise spraying. It comes down to the question what we think harms the environment more and precision farming decides that the excess fuel use for mechanical weeding is worse than the minimal amount of herbicide see&spray uses.
Great video D/S there’s nothing else really to say but keep up with the great videos 👏👏👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks, will do!
I do mechanical weeding, then once there is growth run spot spray on the field. Doesn’t do anything but increase your score. Or if I’m in a hurry and have a lot of money I’ll spray the field before growth without spot spraying, then once growth starts run the spot spray. No yield decrease for spraying and environmental bonus.
I see a follow up with pre-emergence and small weed stage spraying
But the nice thing about See&Spray(tm) fitted to your sprayer, it also creates a similar usage effect when you're running it as a fertilizer, turns off the nozzles over the bits you already sprayed. Sure it's an expensive option just to get the cool graphics!
I think you get the usage change for fert with out sea and spray? At least the bulk on headlands but maybe not individual nozzles. That is cool
@@DisTurbedSimulations You get the usage change without it - but not the graphical coolness.
DS, thanks for the link to watch this. Very informative as usual.
When you think about it the no plough into hoeing is what you would assume is best for the land if not for the yield. The fact it gives the best yield is a bonus. Need to start scouting out some good hoes :-D
I think some of the things in PF are about where the funding came from, mechanic weeding without chemical has to be better for the environment than even less chemicals. and good luck finding a hoe you enjoy ;)
thx for sharing !
No problem!
I alway's go, lime, direct seed, fert, use a weeder then roll, then we now do spot spray after and that gives a much better environmental score.
So you weed before you get a growth state so you can still roll?
@@DisTurbedSimulations Yeah so for arable after harvest we mulch, lime, direct seed, fert, weed, roll and finally spot spray (it won't use any herbicide but it will increase the environmental score. For grass after mowing we weed, lime, fert and then use the spot sprayer.
I'll bare that in mind for part 2
@@DisTurbedSimulations And sorry yeah we use the weeder straight after seeding even though it only says weeds growing and none are showing. You can also use the spot sprayer straight after seeding, we haven't tried that way yet to see if we get the same out come but if we do i think we would go. Mulch, direct seed, fert, lime, spot spray (easier to see where you've been as the lime texture is removed) and finally roll.
Use direct drilling other than 2 fields it wont direct drill and leaves patches undrilled. Have to cultivate those 2 fields then drill them afterwords. Have a 99 score atm.
Ok. that's nice
You can also use the same trick with see and spray to get max environment score under weed control after plowing and seeding and I believe you still get 100% yield.
Yes the see and spray trick works in all cases.
the yield penalty affects only field in use. The increase in environmental score raises your bonus on everything you sell.
True, and that's why it's down to the play to choose how they use this information. I'm just providing data, I'm not telling you how to play.
What doesn't make sense to me is that using a weeder doesn't garner a better score than spraying! Surely the reason see and spray is better scored than blanket spraying is the minimalist use of herbicide and the resulting minimalist environmental impact. But a mechanical weeder doesn't use any herbicide, so surely should be the best environmental score? What possible negative effect does a weeder have?
I think that might be a result of the sponsor of Precision Farming. But if you look in detail mechanical is better
Has anyone tried this on 3+ day months? I'm curious if the yield hit is still there when spot spraying small weeds.
I knew someone would ask about that 🤣
If it lowers your overall environmental score though by mechanical weeding vs spot spraying, that affects the sell price of everything else too
12% vs 14% for the extra cost and losing yield on all your arable crops.
nice thx
Welcome
Good info. I still feel that PF is still a bit broken on FS22. When it comes to using natural fert (slurry, etc.), only or cover crops and rollers, it should give you better bonuses as it is far better for the environment. I feel it is quite prescriptive to get high environmental scores. I use PF to get realistic nitrogen and PH rates, and anything else is a bonus. Do like a Hoe, though😂😂
It is tricky to get fertilization right using organic fertilizing options, Giants could add a few things that would make that easier. But I guess in the real world it's kind of hard to get perfectly good levels without some tech and probably a bit of luck.
@DisTurbedSimulations I did a playthrough with just organic farming, and it was definitely just finding a balance. As you said, I guess, just like real life.
It's pretty much the same as I was doing early on in my "Farming the decades" series. I was doing everything with PF manually.
Is there any yield difference weeding when there is small weeds versus medium weeds with a hoe?
Based on the results I'd say no as in both cases you have no weeds
Who'd of thought it!?!?
Not me, looks like we have some hoeing to do
@@DisTurbedSimulations no chance am I hoeing on that larger scale!
It's just about having a big enough tool
To Hoe or not to Hoe that is the question.
A question as old as time