First Look! | Eurobike 2024 Hottest Tech
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- We're here at Eurobike 2024 in Frankfurt, Germany. It's day 1 and Owen Coutts is on the hunt for the latest tech! TRP and Bosch have just released a brand new autoshift drivetrain, SRAM launch the S1000 drivetrain and DJI have stepped into the eBike world, plus much much more!
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00:00 - Intro
00:13 - Chrome Trek Slash & RockShox Flight Attendant
00:40 - SRAM S1000 T-Type Transmission
02:05 - Prototype Arc8 Downhill Bike
03:16 - TRP & Bosch Autoshift Drivetrain
04:30 - Magura Gustav Brakes
05:35 - Nicolai G1 GPI
06:39 - Goodyear Wrangler Tyre
07:04 - Tom Pidcock's Pinarello Dogma XC
07:55 - Smith Forefront 3 Helmet
08:50 - Smith Hardline Helmet
10:33 - Ergon SMS Saddle
11:14 - Orbea Alma
11:42 - DJI eBike
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What's your favourite tech from EUROBIKE 2024? Let us know down in the comments below!
Stop saying yeah ffs
My favorit innovation on the EUROBIKE 2024:
New, stepless e-bike motor from VILLIGER DYNAMIC (made in Switzerland)
You will find them directly after the Galleria at the entrance to Hall 8.0 (Stand H28)
I was upset at first that the s1000 is OEM only, but then remembered I wouldn't be able to afford it anyway if it wasn't.
So much awesome stuff, thanks for the coverage!
Thank you - what was you're favourite?
Also yes we've got more coming - so don't forget to subscribe - if you're not already - to be sure to get the next slice of Eurobike tech!
Cheers
Owen
Sram S series cassette... 10-52 on an HG body. But if you need replacement then you're in luck and have to buy a new body too since they're only OEM, and the only other 10-52 from Sram has an XD body.
Didn't notice it before seeing your comment. Well done sram...
The coolest thing in this video is the Nicolai G1 GPI. So over ebike crap or any bike that needs a battery for it to work.
TRP Bosch colab is interesting!🤔
This is like CBBC has visited Eurobike! "Wow guys!".
I'll take that as big compliment!
Cheers
Owen
S series sram being OEM only and the new stumpy being electronic only. hmmm wonder where it’ll end up first
Yeah its an interesting direction from some of the brands - what are your thoughts - would wireless only be an option for your next bike?
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd If I could afford to make the jump to AXS, I would. AXS makes it seem fairly easy for maintenance compared to my experience from working at bike shops on Di2. However, locking your customer into essentially one drivetrain brand seems like a quite interesting choice.
@@choose6174 - agreed it is an interesting choice - perhaps we'll see more brands stepping into the wireless shifting space soon - Watch this space!
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd We can hope! Competition breeds innovation
@@choose6174 We will try and hunt more new tech that might just help!
Cheers
Owen
Does trp stand for tektro racing products
What the fuck is an acustic bike? hahahaha
But it’s the kitschy, hip, new term developed by people who think it’s somehow the same comparison as an acoustic guitar vs an electric guitar but don’t even know what acoustic means. Reddit logic.
@@energ8t It's meant to get purist into a fking frenzy and it does it's job well.
@@energ8t Reddit logic. Younailed that one LOL.
Sram having a cheaper system that's OEM only is the bike equivalent of a trial subscription.
Hmm now thats interesting perspective on the system - I'll take that you're not that keen?
Cheers
Owen
Feels like the industry has finally turned the corner after Covid - no doubt they have been sitting on this stuff for a while, but great to see some awesome tech coming through!
Personally it is that Nicolai that looks the most interesting at the moment - though with the new Stumpy dropping mech cable routing and that new OEM spec Sram transmission, you got to think that Shimano is close to launching something.... and not just for wireless shifting, those Saint parts are looking pretty old now too....move over AXS and Maven?
I'm a gravel racer who started out on MTB's. My observation is that SRAM has started to really dominate the MTB space.
@@petersouthernboy6327 interesting observation - but they don't have the product offering range of Shimano (not even close) - so you would need to focus in on higher end models in particular geographies (i.e. US) and also price points to see them in any dominant position - yes they dominate wireless shifting... for now.
@@tim__sadler Oh, in MTB, SRAM has a ridiculously broad product range. And in gravel, if you want 1x SRAM XPLR is really your only complete OEM groupset solution. Shimano has come on super strong with their GRX line in gravel, but their electronic shifting choices are still narrower than SRAM.
@petersouthernboy6327 but if you look at the global market for drivetrains Shimano is still over twice the size of Sram. They have made ground in recent years, but a long way from domination.
@@tim__sadler my XC race bike is full XTR and I love it. My Gravel Bike is Rival AXS and I really love that as well.
Not sure about the S series SRAM transmission being OEM only, what happens if you break a derailleur?
Yeah they can sell it to the manufacturer but not the people, screw that im done being fleeced
I'm sure the dealer will be able to order you a replacement, plus in not many months I'm sure you'll find people selling new-take-off examples - like you to with most OEM supply/spec components.
I want that Nicolai bike 8-)
It's a great looking bike, what are you riding at the moments?
Very interesting vid O n,thankyou.
Interesting stuff...my 1st thought re wireless shifter is do I want my shifter to be battery dependent?
This TRP derailleur, is that for new bikes only? My bike has the Bosch cx gen 4 with kiox 300 is it compatible, its a 2023 model. It also has a controller built into the top tube.
Still waiting for a mechanical drivetrain from sram with transmission style mounting
Thanks Owen. That Trek Slash is really cool. How long do you think it will be before SRAM or Shimano jump into the gearbox ring? I feel like it will take one of them to bring it to the mainstream.
do you have seen proshock forks?
6:00 Sick! It plays music?!
nah he misspoke, it's an ICE bike
Loving this presenter.
Is there any new recumbent frame released during eurobike?
Keep an eye there is still two more days of Eurobike 🤞
Arc8 needs witness marks with all those screws
Magura design and engineering choices are weird. What about the material selection...
I wouldn't run anything else on my trials bike but they have no place on my mtb 😂
Interesting insight - from my own experience of their MTB brakes they're are great - and these new Gustav Pro's look great lots of interesting features - also some super quick DH racers do use them too - Loic and Danny Mac seems to go well with them too?
Again interesting insights are always welcome!
Cheers
Owen
Good energy and product knowledge. 10/10
Much appreciated!
Thank you - much appreciated
Cheers
Owen
Gustav M was one of the first mass produced disc brakes?
The Nicolai is the only bike plausibly usable long term, and they need to engineer a mechanical pinion at 3/4 the weight and friction (to start). While I’m at it, why are e-shifters still levered and not push button?
Interesting insights are always welcome - I tried a Pinion gear boxes - ok quite briefly - but the friction and lightness of shifting were all impressive - and you can go from high gear to lowest in a twist - but what are you thoughts.
Also Nicolai do the G1 with a more regular drive train - so you've got options!
The newer SRAM AXS T-type shifter pod is a push button system - its nice - although as we featured on the Tech Show a little while back - they do offer a rocker cover.
Cheers
Owen
@@loomspace if they would be able to reduce friction by 25% the company would be worth billions(and would not give a fuck about bikes)
There is over a century development into gearboxes(they are much more developed than derailleurs) so it’s highly unlikely that anyone will do such large advances
Alex is there too for us roadies! Video inbound 🚀
6:00 did you say that this is an ICE bike not an e-bike?
"Gustava" 🤣
Came here to say that! #askgmbntech
Sorry - my mouth got ahead of brain - your right Gustav - not Gustava!
me bumbling up the name aside - great looking brakes - what are you thoughts on them?
Cheers
Owen
You should a separate video for ebike tech.
the new s1000 is on the new stumpjumper15 comp
No the saddle placement isn't that odd i to have my saddle in a similar manner 🤷♂️
Im going in the weekend
Have fun! 🔥
no mention on prices
Pinion MGU!
This DJI Amflow looks suspiciously similar to Spec Turbo Levo
Everybody pinched the Levo's design or parts of it. Levo's set the standard although its in need of an update to keep up with the latest offerings
@@SomeguysTrailrides not talking general design and parts - that goes much older before Levo. I'm saying exact position and dimensions of links
@@feedbackzaloop Licensed maybe?? brands often share suspension layouts
@@SomeguysTrailrides bingo! With all composites expertise, DJI don't really have required experience in frame design. But surely strong legal, marketing and finance teams.
But now makes me wonder what goes between Spec and Brose then.
@@feedbackzaloop How do you mean? I love my 2.2 brose motor even if it is draggy the programming is mint but that's done in house by spec I believe. Didn't spec buy into brose??
Why do we need yet another ebike motor? Bosch and Shimano have rightfully earned the top spots for mountain bikes, and Bafang are in there covering the rest of the market or the potentially illegal stuff (based on jurisdiction) just fine. Every year there's been countless companies entering the market with ebike motors, but there's not a whole lot they can add that hasn't been done already. The last big development in motor technology was neodymium magnets in the 1980's, and the rest of a ebike depends on how well the sensors perform. It doesn't matter if it has more torque, a higher power output, costs less... Bosch and Shimano already have the mainstream market cornered, and both brands perform exceptionally and will be hard to beat, especially as a newcomer.
awsome tech at an awsome price 😢
Why the sad face then?
Nice tech. E-bike section skipped
Would love one of those G1’s built up as a park bike
Great looking bike isn't it?
What wheel size would you go for - and maybe the biggest question what colour?
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerdas a park bike I’d probably go mullet and raw! But as an everyday ride that green is lovely and full 29”
Maybe I’m a Luddite but I cannot fathom why you would want to swap a mechanical cable for servos, batteries, remotes & a bloody phone app.
"Advantages of wireless shifting" haha. Still convinced there are any, more of a hassle to charge batteries.
I really wanted a Slash but do they still throw chains for no apparent reason?
Wdym throw chains
When you're at that money you can afford to throw chains around 💰🤑
Seriously wait until the next revision, are you in a hurry?
@@LaurentiusTriarius This is the next revision, chains are cheap but if its gunna jump off and wedge itself between gears chainrings and a carbon frame whats gunna snap first!
@@MosKelifer It often came off the ring/that large idler loads of vids/reports of it happening
@@SomeguysTrailrides ohh well they don’t do that anymore
Dont expect to see that DJI bike anywhere in the west. They have been fully sanctioned for dealing with Russia.
Mountain biking is getting too advanced, I prefer my bikes without a gearbox, without wireless systems and NO ABS
To be honest most people can't afford that BS the only reason emtbs and high end bikes are selling is easy credit 💳😅
Every brand has a "Halo" model that is crazy expensive and loaded with the latest tech. The entry and mid tiers are what sells in numbers.
Most people can't afford or don't want a Maserati, but those sell too. And for a tech expo you'd expect companies to put their best foot forward in whatever category, so yeah there's gonna be some expensive stuff there. Also, I for one really am interested where gearboxes on MTBs can go, especially "acoustic", especially that it could bring maintenance down.
Doesn't get much simpler than a gearbox dude.
Those bikes are out there too - the Orbea we covered in the video - the Alba is mechanical, without a gearbox and doesn't have ABS although its still stacked with tech - I can't wait to get one!
What bike did you like the most? and what bike are you riding now?
Cheers
Owen
I wish people would drop the hip term "Acoustic Bike". Human-pedal powered bikes have nothing to do with acoustics! If anything, what Eurobike demonstrates is the increasing use of digital technologies to do the fun stuff for you... suspension tuning, ABS braking, gear shifting etc, so maybe digital bikes is a more relevant term. And when this digital stuff breaks, and it will, it will be binned as few people will be able to service the electronics. Sadly, the one thing not mentioned is the Pinion GMU.
I prefer the term muscle bike
@@Boboo5 I prefer watching people bitch about it.
So I guess I should keep all of my retro MTBs since the tech is slowly getting to a "tesla" moment for bikes.
Yes exactly: vaporware.
Still waiting on autopilot to not kill passersby
Yeah, there's too much already that is very overpriced as-is, and if you're going for electric version you can put a 2x and 3x on the pricetag. It's just stupid in my mind, and it makes it just simply a gadget race. Just lots of people more interested in what other people think than getting what they want and need instead.
Remove batteries all together. Put money in frame and suspension which makes most of the bike all together. That way you get a lot better bang for your buck.
Why so little innovation? it doesn't always have to be just lighter / faster.
Adding electronics is just more expensive and increased probability of failure. IMO it should be used for competitive racing only: 99% of riders dont need it.
SRAM s1000 for the peasant bike riders. Post covid riders.
They're called motorbikes people
Always welcome constructive feedback - and whilst we did cover some Ebike Tech - they are pedal assit Ebikes - so not throttle controlled - so currently they're not classed as motor bikes - we also felt the majority of that Tech could cross over into MTB tech too - but again we always welcome constructive feedback!
Cheers
Owen
No such thing as an acoustic bike ffs
ARC8 is a swiss brand…
Sorry - in the excitement of the event I made an error - thanks for steering me correctly!
Which tech is your favourite from the show so far?
Cheers
Owen
I think Trick Stuff is perhaps the worst run company in the Mtb industry (no small accomplishment). For as long as I have been aware of them (4 - 5 years) they have supposedly (?) been manufacturing premium brakes. Having wanted to buy a pair during this whole time I was under the impression that they are only available to a select group of (inner circle) clients & the rest of us be damned. Since I don't keep bikes for 2 years (the estimated waiting period) why would I wait since I don't know what bike I'll have when (if?) they ever arrive?
For them to come to bike shows & display new products that will not be available to the general public is just a slap in the face to those of us who are willing to buy ridiculously priced toys. I wish them ill.
You do realise "premium" and "general public" don't go together? Besides, you can order Intend brakes now, maybe wait for less and probably get a better performer. Definetely higher wow-effect since those are newer.
@@feedbackzaloop" You do realise "premium" and "general public" don't go together".
You are confusing the ability to buy & a company's restrictive sales policy. I don't see premium & general public as mutually exclusive. Most premium products don't require the purchaser to have anything more than the desire & money to buy them. Trick Stuff brakes only seem available to an exclusive clientele. If a product is expensive, but is available to anyone who can afford it..then general public applies.
No doubt at some level because of TS's "exclusivity" Intend & others have seen an opportunity & have introduced competitive products. TS created the $ 1,000+ brake niche, & because of their foolish policy opened themselves to (superior/cheaper) competitors..ie. .worst run company.
so bikes these days will be motorcycles pretty much
Shimano power meters are crap that why they use the diffrent brand of powermeters
Just what we all need, more batteries. In fact, I think this presenter has overcharged himself with enthusiasm.
Eurobike is an exciting place!
Thanks glad that the awesome energy from the show came across - sorry I can't hide my enthusiasm - so much great new tech!
Cheers
Owen
7:34 Why not bring your bike, horse, car, plane to a show covered in shit? 😊😅😂
True - although its not just any bike - Tom Pidcock's bike covered in mud - and not just mud mud either thats race winning mud!
Cheers
Owen
Hard to concentrate when all I keep seeing and hearing is Sesame Street…🤭
BOSCH CX5 when?!
17 kilos without a motor and battery is not light
You're right 17kgs isn't light for a Enduro or xc race bike - buts its a DH race bike - so it noteworthy - also what do you think of the slide rail set up - and what about those brakes?
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd TBH that bike looks more like a testing mule than a race ready bike... The massive apparatus supporting the rear triangle and the slide rails seem to function as a rig to optimize the rear suspension pivot points.
PLEASE SEND ME A BIKE
sram makin' all these "gains" yet still refuse to offer cranks shorter than 165mm
get real
Stop saying yeah ffs
Is that a wig?
Its all my own home grown work so yep sorry not sorry its not a wig - also which is your favourite piece of Eurobike Tech so far?
Cheers
Owen
@@OwenBikeNerd difficult to say when bikes are so good these days and everything seems like small incremental improvements that can be difficult to feel for the regular joes (who I am one of). Like for me this year the one big improvement was getting a better fit via a higher rise handlebar not very groundbreaking and I feel as bike has gotten so good choosing fit and geo that suites you is more important than tech but not very interesting. Anyway keep up the good work and the good hair!
Overpriced BS 💩💩💩💩👎
Bikes can be analog or electric, not acoustic, it doesn't make any sense, it's not a guitar.
Have you heard the sounds some peoples bikes make on the trail?! 😂
@@BewilderedDuck-e5l yeah, but both are clunky, and electric even more often than analog ones 😅
No, analog is an antonym to electronic, not electric. Electric as well as hydraulic and mechanic are all analog.
@@feedbackzaloop electric bikes need electronics to run, so it still make sense, which you can't say about calling bike acoustic
@@bartek.igielski not necessarily need electronics. They are now, of course, but so as plenty of mechanical. So if you want to make sense, you don't use any of questionable language and stay away from the topic.
Yeah it’s days like this that I miss Doddy.
2:15 that is the cheapest crap looking bike possible. Congrats.
I'll take that you're not a fan of Aluminium prototype DH bikes - thats ok - we've got loads more bikes to share from the show - still we know what you don't like but whats been your favourite so far?
Cheers
Owen
Hey, go check Hall 8.0-O15. 🙂