I think listening to Steve Jones giving us the industry news from these bike shows are actually my favourite pieces of content from EMBN. Don't be afraid to give us more!
Dji and the MGM motors are bombshells surely, that 800 battery and its high density is truly remarkable. However. ZF. ZF is a Pandora that every motor manufacturer may wish was never let of the box. That oil bathed clutched motor, I have a feeling that's only merely a sample of what they're really working on. If you knew, first hand, what ZF is capable of in the automotive industry. Then you know what's coming.
When ZF decides to put all of its expertise in automotive gearboxes into developing a motor and gearbox unit for e-bikes, they will surely give Pinion a run for their money.
@@MrKlemensify there's always custom built then in your case as from the sound your already not limited to what manufacturers allow. Em3ev make quality packs
120 top NM in an ebike motor - wow - as a fan of the DJI drones interesting to see how thier ebike perfoms on the trails, great specs and looks amazing!
That's a beautiful bike! For sure what the industy needs, a lightweight eMTB with tons of power and a large capacity battery. Hope the price for a complete bike is somewhat reasonable, and not the 10,000 dollar pricetag manufacturers are trying to get us accustomed to nowadays...
I feel like the emtb industry is about to move into a new era of really clever small yet powerful motors - and can you please ask if consumers can repair their own motors yet?
You can be 100% sure that these motors won’t be user repairable and they shouldn’t. But companies should offer refurbished motors at a fair price that would be OK.
@@tamasvarga67 explain why they shouldn't be user repairable? although I do agree that refurbished motors should be discounted at a fair price... its just... crazy the prices they are charging...
@@ericmin7645 Are the motors in a Tesla (or any EV) user repairable or should they be? Will you buy the equipment (special tools, diagnostic software etc.) to do the repair or you expect the fist sized 90Nm motor to be repairable with a screwdriver and an Allen key?
I’m seriously considering an EMTB because where I live there’s is so much climbing involved at steep grades to get to enjoy the downhill. Hope this tech keeps evolving. Allows you to travel more distance in the same time
I own several drones and other cameras from DJI and what’s certain is that this is guaranteed to be a game changer for the MTB industry. It may be expensive to start, but DJI has a history of high value, descending prices, continuity of product offerings at various price points and general awesomeness.
The DJI bike looks excellent. I wonder whether DJI will incorporate some basic 'follow me' drone controls into the bike software. The flimsy 12 speed drivetrain should be pretty snappy with 120 Nm plus rider input going through it. Expect to spend a lot of money on chains and cassettes - or move to 9 speed.
This is really nice suprise, nice specs. I tend more to 38 and bigger shock, but.... it will come :) But the tech is top noch - wight to spec ratio is awesome.
The DJI looks impressive but it still looks large and screams eMTB. I want more stealth so actually the smaller MGM and ZF motors are more interesting. I was thinking of getting a Fazua Ride 60 bike but now thinking I may do better to wait another season or two on my Rise before getting a newer eMTB.
ZF need to start working on a motor-gearbox combo like Pinion's. Their transmissions are legendary in the auto industry, so they surely have the know-how for such a project. The only other such system that I can think of is Valeo's Effigear, and that only has 6 speeds.
I just bought a Spectral ON CF 8 I thought I loved it... am I always going to be behind the 8 ball with the rapid Tech advances. This is just like getting a computer in the 90's, only to have it outdated in 2 months..... do we think this will ever level off?
It probably wont be cheap. But if its priced competitively it will already help to drive down prices of the competition, because I dont think very many EMTB can compete with those feature sets
It’s easier to build a couple of top bikes than mass produce decent bikes. See what Tesla has been through. But considering the ever increasing cost of living it’s a good point.
With Chinese government covering a lot of the costs, including shipping costs, it should be able to undercut the other manufacturers which don’t have a government behind them
Given the questions about servicing and reliability which often pop up around ebike motors and components (particularly in climates like the UK), it will be the companies who offer support who will succeed in the long run - so regardless of features, how can the new entrants to the market (like DJI) provide the after-market support required to built a consumer base with the bike industry already under so much strain?
If a company really wants to shake up the ebike industry, they should come out with a motor system that will fit existing Shimano and bosh frame mounting points, so people could swap there existing system for a new one without having to buy a hole new bike.
You need to introduce DJI to Pinion and we have the future of E Bikes on their way. If they can do what they have to the drone industry in terms of size and power of drone motors and batteries then we have a free thinking company out of left field who can truly be a game changer. Just like Pinion. Not the the same old bike transmission companies playing around with cassettes and materials trying to save weight and producing weak and expensive parts not fit for purpose. Bring it on.
Great to see more motor players in the market to challenge the component monopolies! We just need someone to propose a universal mount & universal charging standard (aka USB C on steroids) to give consumers more options for the same frame and one charger to rule them all!
Hi guys, this is the most technical Steve has ever been motor wise for sure. The DJI Amflow is driving a derailleur having its 100th anniversary so you still have to put up with a tail end chain breaker and clagg hunter. It is surely time to change to a Shimmy 11 speed or similar, don't go for a belt option on a EMTB it collects mud faster than a hippo!
Great video, thanks. Does anyone make a motor that has true zero drag once 15.5mph is exceeded? My EP8-equipped MTB is awful, my Ride60 gravel bike is close to zero? I think this would be the biggest advance in e-bike motor usability
Gosh... I bought a Fuel ExE yesterday after agonising over Fuel ExE or Levo. I have to start saving g again after seeing this DJi motor and bike. This is the one bike we all want. Gosh
Hold on ! apparently the 120Nm/ 1000watts is only available IN the top assist level for thirty seconds . Compare that with the Sachs/BMZ motor where it's 112 Nm is available in tour as well as the highest assist indefinitely without over heating .
Off course why they woulnt, they build drones and motor should be 100% reliable. Their smart battery noone cant compite with them. Shimano doest not has storage mode
They really need to find a way to seal the drivetrain/chain/gears of the ebikes. There is so much maintenance to keep a bike from rusting/wearing due to dirt.
It's getting kinda silly with all the different motors now. At the very least standardize the form of these so that it's to some extent interchangeable.
My favorit innovation on the EUROBIKE 2024: New, stepless e-bike motor from VILLIGER DYNAMIC (made in Switzerland) You will find them directly after the Galleria at the entrance to Hall 8.0 (Stand H28)
What the heck is that sound at 5:08? I heard it before at a friend's house, who was confused by it. Thought it was the first time I had it happen to me, that I had to rewatch to confirm it was in the video itself.
In regards to DJI, I really want to try one out. Too bad they did not release the motor with a few other companies. I really enjoy the whole ecosystem compared to the industry. I believe this innovation foreshadows the release of some new products from the other motor manufacturers. If DJI makes the decision to Sell their products globally, this surge in interest within SL bikes will be rewarding for them. If they can keep production up and support their electronics system, this will be a hot item.
2024 has been the most exciting ebike innovation year. More integrity, data, motor power and efficiency, etc. On the other hand, suddenly having tens of options in motor brands alone feels paralyzing.
They good thing it can integrate sram t type transmision to the display with shimano it cant be done, i own a yeti160e and ep801 is hard to get to keep up now days ebikes, ep8 is out of any update so can only see batt range with that lame 6 bars
As I recall the TQ motor on the Hai Bike was a total disaster. Was that about 5 years or so ago? By now the bugs and tech should be worked out and look forward to seeing how this new take on the TQ goes.
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Is DJI going to shake up the industry? Let us know what you think in the comments 👇
DJI? Do you mean the Drone and Action Camera company? 😱
With no gearbox it's just a new motor as so many already exist.
If they make it user serviceable too, then they'll really have to ramp up production x10
@@embn Setting a completely new standard for sure!
No.
I think listening to Steve Jones giving us the industry news from these bike shows are actually my favourite pieces of content from EMBN. Don't be afraid to give us more!
The full DJI electronic ecosystem just makes sense.
I have a DJI Mavic 3 Pro Cine, a DJI mic, I also have a DJI Power 1000, I'm on this path buying everything made by DJI
Cant wait for Gen 2, so the bike can fly me up! no need for lifts anymore
That would be amazing!
screw flying cars! flying bikes FTW! i can see this!
It becomes too heavy, tho.
Really looking forward to this being a happy owner of several DJI mini drones
This bikes beautiful and its specs are insane
Probably insame price too!
@@johnf3326 yea recon its a 10k + bike - ima stick with my giant trance its more than enough bike but this thing is beautiful
Dji and the MGM motors are bombshells surely, that 800 battery and its high density is truly remarkable. However. ZF. ZF is a Pandora that every motor manufacturer may wish was never let of the box. That oil bathed clutched motor, I have a feeling that's only merely a sample of what they're really working on. If you knew, first hand, what ZF is capable of in the automotive industry. Then you know what's coming.
When ZF decides to put all of its expertise in automotive gearboxes into developing a motor and gearbox unit for e-bikes, they will surely give Pinion a run for their money.
Dengfu Bikes offer 1040wh 52v batteries for over two years now, can be got for around 400-450 euro
@@ducksgoquackirl92 tell me more. I got one of those triangular Chinese batteries and it's heavy as a rock. Looking to upgrade battery
@@MrKlemensify there's always custom built then in your case as from the sound your already not limited to what manufacturers allow. Em3ev make quality packs
DJI never holdback every time they strikes
So much development in the e-bike World. Unreal!
Great video as always, lets get that DJI bike review coming ASAP...
120 top NM in an ebike motor - wow - as a fan of the DJI drones interesting to see how thier ebike perfoms on the trails, great specs and looks amazing!
If the motor is anything like their drones they're onto a winner 🎉
@SomeguysTrailrides *110kW
Bafang has been doing this for ages. Such high NM is nothing new…
it has more torque than my first car
That DJI setup looks superb!
Some really cool new motors and tech. The light weight, high power density batteries are especially cool. Now we need regen braking.
A bit disappointed ZF didn't release an MGU, especially considering they make the legendary 8 speed auto for cars. Must be plans for one surely.
Another great one, thanks Steve!!
I have a pretty decent ebike and hope to be able to afford another before my age catches up to me. Keep on keeping on!
Very cool engine!
Better than Bosch.
Love dji products!!
go by bike!
Im excited!!! Big fan of DJI and if they put the tech into the motor like they do the drones its a game changer!
Big job on for Steve and the team. Great content thanks
ZF and DJI are improvement from current technology. Pinion MGU is a step change for bike industry.
I’m on team pinion all the way
Agee MGU’s are the future
DJI crazy want that bike! 😄🔥
need to try the zf. looks like the perfect motor right now!
Wow, the future is truly something that is happening in the Emtb industry. You can truly imagine a world free of cars and healthy humans loving life.😊
You must be high!
@@asifitmatters1
Or just naively clueless and optimistic ....................
Err. No.
Good weed you have there
Are you trapped in the basement of a house or something for the last 50 years?
That's a beautiful bike! For sure what the industy needs, a lightweight eMTB with tons of power and a large capacity battery.
Hope the price for a complete bike is somewhat reasonable, and not the 10,000 dollar pricetag manufacturers are trying to get us accustomed to nowadays...
15k USD at least is my bet. Maybe more.
I'm in for 5.5k low end. 15k high end.
One word…..”Wow!”
Absolutely stunning. a game changer for the rest to follow. I’ll wait for the LT version anything over 170mm travel front & rear🤙😎🇦🇺
Pausing my plans for a TQ based bike!
More competitors might convince Shimano and Bosch to quit half assing everything.
Ze Germans like to monitor your motor for dongles, and will lock you out of your own bike if they detect any foul play.
All the old tech is gonna be on sale. Love that! I'll grab a Levo SL at 50% off and be on my way to the trail.
Super nice to see more competition, would have like to seen them launch a gear box motor.
Same power as my Rocky, but 10 lbs lighter. If this thing comes to market it will be a game changer.
I feel like the emtb industry is about to move into a new era of really clever small yet powerful motors - and can you please ask if consumers can repair their own motors yet?
You can be 100% sure that these motors won’t be user repairable and they shouldn’t. But companies should offer refurbished motors at a fair price that would be OK.
@@tamasvarga67 explain why they shouldn't be user repairable? although I do agree that refurbished motors should be discounted at a fair price... its just... crazy the prices they are charging...
Here in Maine, we have the right to repair. It could be interesting to push this.
@@ericmin7645 Are the motors in a Tesla (or any EV) user repairable or should they be? Will you buy the equipment (special tools, diagnostic software etc.) to do the repair or you expect the fist sized 90Nm motor to be repairable with a screwdriver and an Allen key?
@@tamasvarga67What does repairing a Tesla have to do with this? And asking what if he’s buying software or tools is kinda silly.
I’m seriously considering an EMTB because where I live there’s is so much climbing involved at steep grades to get to enjoy the downhill. Hope this tech keeps evolving. Allows you to travel more distance in the same time
This motor with gearbox/pinion setup is what will eventually we should see in future
ZF is known for making good transmissions so hopefully all the gears and internals are top notch.
supertechnical stuff! not in the mountains but in frankfurt... thank you
that update for pinion is huge...
I own several drones and other cameras from DJI and what’s certain is that this is guaranteed to be a game changer for the MTB industry. It may be expensive to start, but DJI has a history of high value, descending prices, continuity of product offerings at various price points and general awesomeness.
The DJI bike looks excellent. I wonder whether DJI will incorporate some basic 'follow me' drone controls into the bike software.
The flimsy 12 speed drivetrain should be pretty snappy with 120 Nm plus rider input going through it. Expect to spend a lot of money on chains and cassettes - or move to 9 speed.
This is really nice suprise, nice specs. I tend more to 38 and bigger shock, but.... it will come :) But the tech is top noch - wight to spec ratio is awesome.
It looks very stealthy, blurring the lines even further between MTB and eMTB!
@@embn yes, its a really nice bike. Something I will watch, because in the future there will be time to replace my ebike :)
The DJI looks impressive but it still looks large and screams eMTB. I want more stealth so actually the smaller MGM and ZF motors are more interesting. I was thinking of getting a Fazua Ride 60 bike but now thinking I may do better to wait another season or two on my Rise before getting a newer eMTB.
ZF need to start working on a motor-gearbox combo like Pinion's. Their transmissions are legendary in the auto industry, so they surely have the know-how for such a project. The only other such system that I can think of is Valeo's Effigear, and that only has 6 speeds.
They picked the right frame to copy! Orbea Ris-esque
This was exciting to say the least.
Pinion is my choice. Can't wait for their system to be available in US. If I'm going to spend 10K+ on a bike, it better be a belt driven.
I just bought a Spectral ON CF 8 I thought I loved it... am I always going to be behind the 8 ball with the rapid Tech advances. This is just like getting a computer in the 90's, only to have it outdated in 2 months..... do we think this will ever level off?
Depends entirely on price. I dont need more power. I need cheaper ebikes.
It probably wont be cheap. But if its priced competitively it will already help to drive down prices of the competition, because I dont think very many EMTB can compete with those feature sets
It’s easier to build a couple of top bikes than mass produce decent bikes. See what Tesla has been through. But considering the ever increasing cost of living it’s a good point.
@@chillstep4life and yet it's a company that is built on taking drone tech down to an accessible price that no competitor can get even close to.
With Chinese government covering a lot of the costs, including shipping costs, it should be able to undercut the other manufacturers which don’t have a government behind them
the king has entered the room
I want this amazing bike to 'follow me' home....
nice shoes tho😄
This would be perfect with an integrated belt drive system!
The Amflow bike looks great, doesn't look like an EMTB. The DJI motor etc seems like it'll be a good setup.
Nice effort by the camera man at the beginning there. Almost missed it though, had to rewind.
Given the questions about servicing and reliability which often pop up around ebike motors and components (particularly in climates like the UK), it will be the companies who offer support who will succeed in the long run - so regardless of features, how can the new entrants to the market (like DJI) provide the after-market support required to built a consumer base with the bike industry already under so much strain?
If their drone servicing and after-care support with DJI Care is anything to go by, it'll be top tier.
@@ChrisWilmshurst agree
Do you know if it is it repairable? Will they sell spare parts?
On the pinion system, how is its efficiency / range compared to standard drivetrains?
And that bike looks so close to a specialised 🤔
lets hope they can shake up the prices of e-bikes at the same time, however doesn't look like it considering the AMFLOW price points!!!!!
If a company really wants to shake up the ebike industry, they should come out with a motor system that will fit existing Shimano and bosh frame mounting points, so people could swap there existing system for a new one without having to buy a hole new bike.
You need to introduce DJI to Pinion and we have the future of E Bikes on their way. If they can do what they have to the drone industry in terms of size and power of drone motors and batteries then we have a free thinking company out of left field who can truly be a game changer. Just like Pinion. Not the the same old bike transmission companies playing around with cassettes and materials trying to save weight and producing weak and expensive parts not fit for purpose. Bring it on.
Raymon bike very good!
If the DJI bike launches mini drones, take my money.
So, did all the engineers at Shimano die?what happend!
Smaller units definitely seem to be the direction. I love it. Great video guys!
Great to see more motor players in the market to challenge the component monopolies!
We just need someone to propose a universal mount & universal charging standard (aka USB C on steroids) to give consumers more options for the same frame and one charger to rule them all!
New drinking game, every time he says “folks” take a shot.
Hi guys, this is the most technical Steve has ever been motor wise for sure. The DJI Amflow is driving a derailleur having its 100th anniversary so you still have to put up with a tail end chain breaker and clagg hunter. It is surely time to change to a Shimmy 11 speed or similar, don't go for a belt option on a EMTB it collects mud faster than a hippo!
Great video, thanks. Does anyone make a motor that has true zero drag once 15.5mph is exceeded? My EP8-equipped MTB is awful, my Ride60 gravel bike is close to zero? I think this would be the biggest advance in e-bike motor usability
when and where can i get one and how much ?
Just had a look for pricing, amflow carbon starts at €7k so not going to be cheap lol.
Gosh... I bought a Fuel ExE yesterday after agonising over Fuel ExE or Levo. I have to start saving g again after seeing this DJi motor and bike. This is the one bike we all want. Gosh
I live in the USA and we suck for varieties of ebike availability. All these cool new bikes you are showing are not available here. Why not and when?
Land managers have been slow to approve class 1 bikes on trails is holding e-bikes in the USA but keeps improving every year.
So will we see this in other brands Mondraker Trek etc
Hold on ! apparently the 120Nm/ 1000watts is only available IN the top
assist level for thirty seconds .
Compare that with the Sachs/BMZ motor where it's 112 Nm is available in tour as well as the highest assist indefinitely without over heating .
I'll be impressed by DJI if the motor turns out to be reliable.
Off course why they woulnt, they build drones and motor should be 100% reliable. Their smart battery noone cant compite with them. Shimano doest not has storage mode
do drone makers know how to water proof motors?
15:30 great, but what does a 5$ brushed Mabuchi motor there?
What is the IPX rating for the DJI? I see many Ebike motor companies going under as well as some ebike companies.
We don't have an IPX rating yet but we'll keep our eyes peeled!
Any motor that comes out from now on without integrated gearbox that gets rid of the deraileure like Pinion is DOA😂
They really need to find a way to seal the drivetrain/chain/gears of the ebikes. There is so much maintenance to keep a bike from rusting/wearing due to dirt.
Is there an alloy version coming ? And or a longer travel ?
It's getting kinda silly with all the different motors now. At the very least standardize the form of these so that it's to some extent interchangeable.
Nothing in the tech world is interchangeable.
What about the IP rating? When are we going to get motors that can keep the water out?
Is there any possibility make another China tour for DJI 🕵🏻♂️
My favorit innovation on the EUROBIKE 2024:
New, stepless e-bike motor from VILLIGER DYNAMIC (made in Switzerland)
You will find them directly after the Galleria at the entrance to Hall 8.0 (Stand H28)
Do they cost considerably more than my car? Probably. Do a video on how ludicrous over-priced emtbs are - go on, go on, go on!
Light weight of thr battery is impressive. How to get my hands on one?
So - 1000w max power can be sold as 250w continuous power motor in EU?
Hope we can get it in poor USA
DJI just mic dropped the whole bike industry!! They'll all be scrambling now to keep up!
What’s gonna be the import tariff on this?
Time to sell my Fuel EXe lol
Looks like the new Stumpy ???
What the heck is that sound at 5:08? I heard it before at a friend's house, who was confused by it. Thought it was the first time I had it happen to me, that I had to rewatch to confirm it was in the video itself.
In regards to DJI, I really want to try one out. Too bad they did not release the motor with a few other companies. I really enjoy the whole ecosystem compared to the industry. I believe this innovation foreshadows the release of some new products from the other motor manufacturers. If DJI makes the decision to Sell their products globally, this surge in interest within SL bikes will be rewarding for them. If they can keep production up and support their electronics system, this will be a hot item.
would this work or swap out my Specialized Levo Turbo SL motor?
Price?
2024 has been the most exciting ebike innovation year. More integrity, data, motor power and efficiency, etc.
On the other hand, suddenly having tens of options in motor brands alone feels paralyzing.
Build your own.
They good thing it can integrate sram t type transmision to the display with shimano it cant be done, i own a yeti160e and ep801 is hard to get to keep up now days ebikes, ep8 is out of any update so can only see batt range with that lame 6 bars
As I recall the TQ motor on the Hai Bike was a total disaster. Was that about 5 years or so ago? By now the bugs and tech should be worked out and look forward to seeing how this new take on the TQ goes.
So you'd bet on a motor that is already a proven failure? Brave.