Wonderful Anna, great work. I have gone to a few North American Handmade Bicycle Show or NAHBS's and it is always a mind popper. I am sure Europe's version would only be cooler. Nice coverage but I would like a bit more please. Cheers on a well good segment to all. - M
I would love to go to the NAHMBS! Maybe one day. Sadly I only have one day to cover all the tech here, but tune in to today's Tech Show for a few bonus bikes. - Anna :)
always fascinating to see the industry repeat history every 30 years or so with aftermarket components, Engred just took me back to the early 90's with Precision Billet, Rhino, and of course Pauls Components. Wouldn't be surprised if there'll be a 26' wheeled revival in another 10 or so loving the ti HT at the end
@@andreashabeck1155 They are already making a comeback if you haven't been paying attention. 26"/27.5 mullets are becoming a thing. Every trail today is so buffed out you don't need wagon wheels. He is right, the industry goes in circles and if you have been around it long enough - there is nothing new or innovative in it just more marketing bs to make it sound new.
@@andreashabeck1155 All I ride is 26" hardtail bikes. Even rode down Pikes Peak Barr trail twice. That would make most full suspension riders cry for their mommy.
17:00 back in the day they were called girder forks in the classic motorcycle world. *relived to see I'm not the only one running wacky valve caps, i have skulls.
2:40 my 2x9 Alivio crankset made of Aluminium for 35 € ( already hollowtech 2)uses the same technique, but it's forged, not cnc machined These cheap caranksets however are quite strong, mine had several pedal strikes but it isn't bend yet. These expensive hollow road group cranksets made by Shimano already break apart without any pedal strikes.
I’d like to see more development of the gear box. Something that is lighter than the current systems. I know cost is a factor but if it were more economically feasible a transmission composed of Ti, carbon fiber, and magnesium would definitely be lighter.
That I-train looks like carbon. I much prefer the look of carbon over aluminum, but in this case, the aluminum looks sick! 3D printing is pretty neat-o.
You cant powder coat carbon fiber frames, and the weight thing I could care less about.......I'm not trying to win "Crankworks", just cruising over to the park to smoke a bowl....And buddy, there is nothing like seeing that sparkling metal flake beauty together for the first time.....
When you apply the brakes on a single pivot bike, if the caliper is just mounted on the swingarm it applies a torque that compresses the suspension, reducing your travel and making it more firm just when you want it plush. Putting the caliper on a parallelogram isolates this force from impacting the shock. Side note: you can change the length of the rod, and make the parallelogram into a trapezoid, and make the braking forces act as a positive or negative force on the shock, depending on how you want to tune it.
Are you attending Outerbike at all during your stay? I’m coming down there later this week for the Festival and I was hoping to meet you if your still there!
If I was a dentist I'd be there handing out my cards and handing over my AMEX. Seriously tho, solid vid and I love these handmade bike shows so many tasty bits and bobs.
Unfortunately you sacrifice the main advantage of cnc machining (using more exotic aircraft alloys which can't be welded) if you would weld it togetger, since you would still have to stick to weldable alloys like 6061, 6013 or 7005) then which are already used on conventional made frames
@@dystopiaisutopia ‘partes’ if you wanna be Latin about it. Wish you had something better to say than be the grammar poileis 😂 and that’s the Gaelic spelling of police btw….don’t try to etymology me with your grammar shit😂 cause I KNOW you one of those folk.
#askgmbntech - one for the CNC engineers - is it possible to CNC a frame 'without' all the track lines which are currently a tell-tale sign of the limitations of the CNC process?
It is very possible to do that and has been since the advent of the machines. They leave those machine lines in for atheistic reasons. The industrial CNC machines 5-axis with robotic arms can do insanely intricate work - we are not even close to the limitations of them. Just remember, 3d printing is nothing new either - been around since the 1980s. In all honesty, though, a cnc'd frame is not economical for anything bigger than a small bespoke business. The costs are extreme and material waste high. This is one of those things where it looks really nice but manufacturing it is just sort of pointless. Not sure why Anna was talking about the cranks as if they were somehow new and innovative - the bmx and mtb industry have been doing that since the late 90's.
So basically hope and pray. I rode a test carbon frame today and in the back of my mind while going downhill at 50kph was is this going to be my last day.@@projectpiratebikes
AcTo5 I-train; answering the question, "what do we tell the bank we're doing, now that the big defense contract got cancelled"? IngRid; "The tech school senior project that got me hired by Shimano". Zocelli; "what's an unemployed shredder in butthole eastern Europe *supposed* to do with a yard full of broken farm equipment?" SuBa; Op. cit., see France Amapola; "poor heat control never looked so good." Posedla; "earnestly matching your flabby western cheeks to whatever pattern pieces we can source cheaply from China!" Freeflow; "Chinese parts in un-identifiable casings, adapted to need". Huhn; "Dentist money!? We laugh at 'dentist money'...." Auguste; that painted over fork makes me want a go at the frame to look for 'Huffy' on it. Bordure; if my Dad supported me, I'd make him a bike like that too, certainly.
@@Channel-io1di - on the contrary! I hold makers like these in huge regard, but the pretense can be a bit much. Credit for skills, but lets draw down the balloon a bit, eh?
I cringe everytime I hear short chainstays for good climbing, in fact longer chainstays help you keep a good angle and position on climbs and will help stabilize the front. The only thing short chainstays do is render the bike more twitchy and with your hands placed on a extended stem almost over the front axle it will only be worse. You'll see, logic always prevail, or does it? 😂
Regardless of the class of vehicles for cyclists with one wheel, two wheels or three wheels, which use the same technical and technological system, you have no way to progress technologically. Every year, when such international fairs are held for vehicles aimed at cyclists, apart from changes in the design of bicycle frames, I do not see any other progress in inventiveness in these vehicles. When I will see a vehicle like the concept and made by me, then I can say that it is at the beginning of evolution for this type of urban transport.
And I bet they're way more expensive than Marino bikes. Let me guess you Marino wasn't even there. Quality handmade steel frames for $600. You have to know about them. And they are worth every penny and MORE!
Great show Anna, and Dave Hemming, that's a blast from the past, legend
i love your unalloyed excitement and passion for MTB tech Anna!
Anna is so annoying. I'd rather have Blake do the presenting.
Great job Anna love these tech shows and a lovely presenter to boot can't beat that. Keepemcoming
Thank you! Will do! - Anna
Wonderful Anna, great work. I have gone to a few North American Handmade Bicycle Show or NAHBS's and it is always a mind popper. I am sure Europe's version would only be cooler. Nice coverage but I would like a bit more please. Cheers on a well good segment to all. - M
Unless you're some sort of geek this type of show was pretty under the radar, glad there's coverage of pretty much all events and trade shows now 🎉
I would love to go to the NAHMBS! Maybe one day. Sadly I only have one day to cover all the tech here, but tune in to today's Tech Show for a few bonus bikes. - Anna :)
@@gmbntechwill you marry me? Anna
Love handmade bike shows
I really like the ti xc hardtail whit the Ohlins fork
Great video!! Funny to see the trends. Take a shot every time the words “additively manufactured” are said!!
Thanks for the presentation, Anna. Always pleasant to listen to.
Glad you enjoyed it! - Anna
Anna's really stepped up since the Dodster has left. Nice one Anna 👍 👌
That cnc bike is awesome 😀🤟
The philosophy of that freeflow motor is really promising, repairability is much needed in the ebike world 👍
Love these videos ❤❤
More videos like this please! I love the coverage of smaller artisan brands! Great video Anna! 👍
Thank you Anna!
Acto 5 bikes are work of art 🤤
Running a CNC machine isn't 'art'.
Great show Anna 😊
Aww, thanks. - Anna :)
always fascinating to see the industry repeat history every 30 years or so with aftermarket components, Engred just took me back to the early 90's with Precision Billet, Rhino, and of course Pauls Components. Wouldn't be surprised if there'll be a 26' wheeled revival in another 10 or so
loving the ti HT at the end
26" will never come back for trail/enduro/gravel bikes, and if you've ridden a 29er for a longer period of time you will know why
have been mtbing since the late 80's and have seen concepts come and go and then return again... never say never@@andreashabeck1155
@@andreashabeck1155 They are already making a comeback if you haven't been paying attention. 26"/27.5 mullets are becoming a thing. Every trail today is so buffed out you don't need wagon wheels. He is right, the industry goes in circles and if you have been around it long enough - there is nothing new or innovative in it just more marketing bs to make it sound new.
@@andreashabeck1155 All I ride is 26" hardtail bikes. Even rode down Pikes Peak Barr trail twice. That would make most full suspension riders cry for their mommy.
Another wonderfully inspirational video.
Great overview of the show, I've jsut been there today.
Did the GMBN Team get any riding done around Dresden? We have some nice trails!
17:00 back in the day they were called girder forks in the classic motorcycle world.
*relived to see I'm not the only one running wacky valve caps, i have skulls.
Some awesome kit.
That Acto 5 I Train... O M G!!!
It was a nice Show. Saw you there and the GCN (auf deutsch) guys. Lots of nice Bikes.
Sod the bikes, i'd like to be walking off after the show with Anna! 😜😁
some nice rides out there. your camera shots did expose some real sloppy welds.
Great viewing...keep up the good work😎
Wow, stunning stuff! I love these shows. Anyone know what the bars on the Huhn at 15:03 are? Gracias.
Fire episode!
2:40 my 2x9 Alivio crankset made of Aluminium for 35 € ( already hollowtech 2)uses the same technique, but it's forged, not cnc machined
These cheap caranksets however are quite strong, mine had several pedal strikes but it isn't bend yet.
These expensive hollow road group cranksets made by Shimano already break apart without any pedal strikes.
And yet the bmx brands and other mtb brands have had hollow cranks out for 20 years.
I’d like to see more development of the gear box. Something that is lighter than the current systems. I know cost is a factor but if it were more economically feasible a transmission composed of Ti, carbon fiber, and magnesium would definitely be lighter.
Is Weight Saving On A MTB Gearbox Really Necessary?!
Plenty of us working on it 😂
Great job! We miss Doddy
That I-train looks like carbon. I much prefer the look of carbon over aluminum, but in this case, the aluminum looks sick! 3D printing is pretty neat-o.
I pretty much prefer the look of aluminum over carbon. Go figure.
You cant powder coat carbon fiber frames, and the weight thing I could care less about.......I'm not trying to win "Crankworks", just cruising over to the park to smoke a bowl....And buddy, there is nothing like seeing that sparkling metal flake beauty together for the first time.....
Very cool I’m a Ebike builder doing a Niner 29 aluminum with a bafang HD 52 volt 160NM of torque unstoppable lol
💯Awesome Bikes! 💯
Had to laugh. Sounded like your intro said "Let's find some tack" 🤣
Great video though 😊😊
Need to know more about the benefits of that rear brake setup on the Suba.
When you apply the brakes on a single pivot bike, if the caliper is just mounted on the swingarm it applies a torque that compresses the suspension, reducing your travel and making it more firm just when you want it plush. Putting the caliper on a parallelogram isolates this force from impacting the shock.
Side note: you can change the length of the rod, and make the parallelogram into a trapezoid, and make the braking forces act as a positive or negative force on the shock, depending on how you want to tune it.
Are you attending Outerbike at all during your stay? I’m coming down there later this week for the Festival and I was hoping to meet you if your still there!
I like the topics and presenter!
I was there and I’m proud to say that it was in my Hometown Dresden. Really an afford
If I was a dentist I'd be there handing out my cards and handing over my AMEX. Seriously tho, solid vid and I love these handmade bike shows so many tasty bits and bobs.
Dentist? You can get a handmade steel bike from Marino for $600.
Does anyone know much about the intense sniper xc
How is the cnc acto 5 bike bonded? Would hate to have 2 half’s (joke)
Halves
Unfortunately you sacrifice the main advantage of cnc machining (using more exotic aircraft alloys which can't be welded) if you would weld it togetger, since you would still have to stick to weldable alloys like 6061, 6013 or 7005) then which are already used on conventional made frames
@@dystopiaisutopia ‘partes’ if you wanna be Latin about it. Wish you had something better to say than be the grammar poileis 😂 and that’s the Gaelic spelling of police btw….don’t try to etymology me with your grammar shit😂 cause I KNOW you one of those folk.
@@Canigetanawwwwyyyyeeeah All those words because you're mad you got corrected. Shut up
loved anything that doesn't have internal cable routing haha. espesh when they only use it for 12inches, whats the point.
Hello, thank's for the video, can you change the name "Subber" to "SUBA Cycles" on the chapters ?
#askgmbntech - one for the CNC engineers - is it possible to CNC a frame 'without' all the track lines which are currently a tell-tale sign of the limitations of the CNC process?
It is very possible to do that and has been since the advent of the machines. They leave those machine lines in for atheistic reasons. The industrial CNC machines 5-axis with robotic arms can do insanely intricate work - we are not even close to the limitations of them. Just remember, 3d printing is nothing new either - been around since the 1980s. In all honesty, though, a cnc'd frame is not economical for anything bigger than a small bespoke business. The costs are extreme and material waste high. This is one of those things where it looks really nice but manufacturing it is just sort of pointless. Not sure why Anna was talking about the cranks as if they were somehow new and innovative - the bmx and mtb industry have been doing that since the late 90's.
That’s steel Santa Cruz is sexy !!!
euro funk
Bikes made of hands ? What will be next 😮
Champagne and 36 kilos. Someone knows how to parteeee!
I wonder how any of these small builders test their products for longevity and being fit for purpose.
I recently finished a downhill frame and always wondered the same. The long and short of it is actual real world testing .
So basically hope and pray. I rode a test carbon frame today and in the back of my mind while going downhill at 50kph was is this going to be my last day.@@projectpiratebikes
This show is why this industry is stuck and just doing minor changes on parts that can't change.
We are missing Doddy 😢
£390 for a saddle😂.
AcTo5 I-train; answering the question,
"what do we tell the bank we're doing, now that the big defense contract got cancelled"?
IngRid; "The tech school senior project that got me hired by Shimano".
Zocelli; "what's an unemployed shredder in butthole eastern Europe *supposed* to do with a yard full of broken farm equipment?"
SuBa; Op. cit., see France
Amapola; "poor heat control never looked so good."
Posedla; "earnestly matching your flabby western cheeks to whatever pattern pieces we can source cheaply from China!"
Freeflow; "Chinese parts in un-identifiable casings, adapted to need".
Huhn; "Dentist money!? We laugh at 'dentist money'...."
Auguste; that painted over fork makes me want a go at the frame to look for 'Huffy' on it.
Bordure; if my Dad supported me, I'd make him a bike like that too, certainly.
Not a fan, I see?
@@Channel-io1di - on the contrary! I hold makers like these in huge regard, but the pretense can be a bit much. Credit for skills, but lets draw down the balloon a bit, eh?
@@floydblandston108 I don't what that means. Draw down the balloon?
@@Channel-io1di - " to deflate the giant bag of gas elevating something above its station", comprenez vous?
I cringe everytime I hear short chainstays for good climbing, in fact longer chainstays help you keep a good angle and position on climbs and will help stabilize the front.
The only thing short chainstays do is render the bike more twitchy and with your hands placed on a extended stem almost over the front axle it will only be worse.
You'll see, logic always prevail, or does it? 😂
It started from 29er's trying to keep the wheelbase short, and sort of spread from there...
@@floydblandston108well nobody needs 29" wheels.
@@dystopiaisutopia - tell it to the people who sell new bikes for money.
@@floydblandston108 You said it, SELL BIKES.
If something is done on CNC isn't handmade 😐
It is handmade because they make them one at a time vs mass production.
@@dystopiaisutopia yes handmade with CNC 😂
@@Dryb1as So you don't think any power tools should be used in handmade bikes? How do you think bikes are made? Is this 1873?
@@dystopiaisutopia Of course you can use power tools but operated by hand like manual lathe or milling machine but not automated CNC machine.
So every Pole bike is also a bespoke handmade bike
light downcountry... fml
Regardless of the class of vehicles for cyclists with one wheel, two wheels or three wheels, which use the same technical and technological system, you have no way to progress technologically. Every year, when such international fairs are held for vehicles aimed at cyclists, apart from changes in the design of bicycle frames, I do not see any other progress in inventiveness in these vehicles. When I will see a vehicle like the concept and made by me, then I can say that it is at the beginning of evolution for this type of urban transport.
And I bet they're way more expensive than Marino bikes.
Let me guess you Marino wasn't even there.
Quality handmade steel frames for $600. You have to know about them. And they are worth every penny and MORE!
Let me guess, you and they both live in some latin land of $5 women and $2 liquor?
@@floydblandston108 No, just them.
@@YouFearMe - how proud you must be...
@@floydblandston108How proud you must be paying 4x the amount for a crappy aluminum frame. But hey whatever makes you happy.
@@dystopiaisutopia - Oh my! Have I got my very own stalker? : D
Cnc out of a whole block to give you that frame is incredibly wasteful.
The aluminium waste is recycled. This is way pole went with aluminium instead of carbon for its frames, aluminium can be fully recycled .
@@stevenliggins1623 obviously it can be recycled.But one block to machine 75% of that block into waste is pointless.
I am so @#$ tired of everything be reduced to full sus bikes.
Soooo boring