This Documentary is supported by: ► WINSPACE Carbon Frames/handlebars, 10% off with code CYCLINGFANATICS 👉bit.ly/WINSPACEBIKES ► LÚN PERFORMANCE Carbon Wheels, 10% off with code CYCLINGFANATICS 👉 bit.ly/LúnMega
Transparency is good.. But know that this is china... Everything is very staged for his visit. I hope all we see and are told is true...but would you trust China telling you something? 😊
I'm riding my T1500 frame set and Hypers wheels since 3 years now and was probably the first in France to own them. Winspace is now my number one choice for frames and wheels ! I'm proud to ride Winspace !
I'M SOLD! I have been convinced that WINSPACE make a top-notch product that I would be proud to own! The decal on the bike does not tell you anything about the quality of the product. But this video certainly does! The wheel video is even better! THANK YOU JASPER AND WINSPACE!
Jasper. This is your calling. Amazing job on the mini documentary showing this process. Thanks to Winspace for letting you in and allowing you to film and ask questions.
@@jasperverkuijl now allegedly hyperspace wheel sets is breaking off from it's hub. Saw a video and was told by a local bike shop it happened. One off but two, need some investigation I guess
@@VishnuRajendranAmbooI wouldn’t worry about it tbh…. I’ve discussed it with a high end wheel builder, it’s blown up and irrelevant. This is what Catastrophic failure looks like, it could happen to any wheel stressed in a way they are not designed to. Side entry spokes is being used all over the market and the amounts of these failures is nihil in relation to the amount of wheels out there….
Jasper, thanks for putting your time, energy, and money into this factory tour. Don't let the haters ruin the taste of a job well done. 🎩👌 It's clear that without 3rd party support (Winspace), this video could not have been made because it would have cost thousands of dollars. And that's too much for an individual creator. - Petr
I appreciate that! It may not even be about the money, it’s simply impossible to go inside these factories without an invite or brand that takes you in. So yeah, 100% I’m happy for the partnership and opportunity that Winspace provides. 👍🏻
For decades, the Chinese have been taught by name brand manufacturers on how to build these products along with all the tools needed. So it was only a matter of time for them to get in on the action. Back in the 1990s we were rebuilding vehicle trim and bumpers that required rechroming, it was a long and complex process that includes cleaning and dipping a specific part into a vat of chromium-based solution. As the new u.s. regulations started to take effect and drive up cost, it was no longer profitable for us. You could actually ship the parts to China to be rechromed and back cheaper than we could do the process here in the u.s. Thanks for the video Jasper!
Hey Jasper, This is a spectacular showcasing of Winspace product. I’m amazed of the quality control that the company employs for their components. You’re a great presenter!! Continue doing this. You have a knack of sharing stuff about cycling!
I bought my first chinese branded carbon parts because of videos like this. Farsports handlebars and crw wheels. If i had seen this video first and not another, i may have gone winspace. Its clear there is a lot of high quality coming from china.
thanks Jasper, i think this is very worthful information. Make us aware of what needs to be considered in selecting the products. Thanks for Winspace for willing to open their process.
My T1550 (White and black) Disk frame is due to arrive any day now. Can't wait to build it up and race the hell out of it. I ride in England which is notorious for terrible roads with constant rough tarmac, temperamental weather and technical roads. So build quality matters to me. The world needs to know about Winspace and they need to keep their prices where they are and their quality where it is and they'll quickly be ridden globally.
We where not allowed to go to the frame factory all week because they were producing other brand frames so sure, they won’t let us in. there wasn’t much I couldn’t show about Winspace or Lún. Just the other brands where kept out of the picture.
Excellent video Jasper. I have 2 sets of Winspace wheels, I needed parts recently, contacted Winspace directly and they sent me a new hub straight away. The Agile is top runner for my next frame
Excellent tour Jasper..!!! Thank you Winspace..!!! They make frames for Giant, Trek and many other name brands. Please check the bottom brackets for a perfect fit …. Hambini will be happy…. LOL
Great vid Jas. You’re a natural👌Very educational & informative production buddy. I’ve been a Winspace fan for many years. Solid & trustworthy company. Hope they continue their great work 👍💪👍
Geweldige video. Rij al sinds 2016 op chineese frames. Een frame (Carbonda gravelracer) al 8 jaar mee gefietst en niet zuinig mee geweest. Recentelijk met 18kg bagage mee naar Santiago de Compestela gefietst. Geen enkel probleem. Mijn motto is dan ook "Ik betaal niet voor stickers". Volgens mij is dat ook de reden dat je niet op die andere afdelingen mag kijken. Daar liggen waarschijnlijk teveel stickers van bekende merken😁. Moet ook wel lachen om de naïviteit van een artikel zoals recent (sept 2024) in Fietssport over de van Rysel fiets. "Omdat ze zo groot zijn kunnen ze zo goed inkopen!" Duh. Laat me raden waar ze dat inkopen doen.🤣
The slc3 is coming. Probably with t47 like the new 1550gen2 but I’m not sure. Some people are negative about t47 so I don’t know if it’s a good thing 🤷🏼♂️
People often mixed China's knockoff frame as same as legit brand from China like Winspace, they are totally different thing. Glad to see more brands starting to show how they made their bikes. Giant, Time, Factor and now Winspace, when come to making carbon bikes and components, far east is the master. Don't really see much Western or Europe "Prestige" brand doing this as they have their production line outsourced to far east as well, Pinarello literally release a "How we painted our frame in Italy that came from far east" LMAO.
Time frames are made in Slovakia, but they're the exception to the rule. 3T make SOME of their frames in Italy. Colnago as well (the tour riders on colnago are on Chinese made colnago)
@@pierrex3226 I know, Time is still making their own frame, look as well. 3T Im not familiar with. C68 seem made in Italy according to Colnago. Bianchi recently shifts some of the production back to Italy as well.
Winspace is one of those Chinese brand you can fully trust they are transparent has a very nice costumer service and if you need frame replacement they are willing to replace it asap as long as you described to them how you damage the frame, you just need to be honest with them.
Hi Jasper, leuke video erg interessant he om de productie eens van dichtbij te zien... Ik ben in '98 in Taiwan Taipei/Taichung geweest. Vond het heel goed dat eens te hebben gezien.
@@jasperverkuijlthat guy also said a handlebar is made of only two layers of carbon fiber. It seemed like he didn't know all the manufacturing details. The R&D guy was more knowledgeable about the manufacturing.
Thanks for the video！awesome！ Chinese products are awesome nowadays，even S-Works and Pinarello and those highend branded frames also made by Chinese factory
Thanks for a very interesting video. Couldn't help noticing this: 13:26: lady in Winspace's own factory is wearing double gloves while handling epoxy prepreg. 31:19 lady in 3rd party frame factory is not using any gloves at all while handling prepreg. Wonder if this is some new type of prepreg ;-)
i have g2 xs for a year now and bought it for 900$ use it with 105 r7000 with 2 wheel sets one alu with 35 panarecer for gravel and the other one is lun 45 with 25 conti just ordered slc 2.0 for only 1030$ and i will put my lun in it . love winspace ❤
They need an endurance frame! With threaded BB, external cables and 40 mm tyre clearance guess what - they will dominate the mass market. With race frames, it's not the case. Personally, I will buy two, for myself and my dad. Riding their pair of wheels for 3 seasons now, very satisfied.
I don't think there is anything secretive about making any of these carbon frame. It's really down to craftmanship and attention to detail. It's not like these are semiconductors where there are trade secrets to making the most cutting edge and advanced chips.
True. It’s a puzzle of carbon pieces that needs to be layed out. However the design and layup is very precise and what makes a good or bad bike with the same carbon…
Cool. Thanks for all the work this took I wonder if the production factory company name was Adapt... Or Speeder .. or something else? (I know you cant/won't tell us)
Great report mate… I really love the triggered people making comments about where their frames are made refusing to accept that 99% of frames (and other carbon cycling products) are ALL made in China.
15:39 what kind of QC is this if even on this unfocused shot you can see that the thickness of the wall is uneven? It's not even round. Top notch PR for selecting a faulty item for promotional video. 👌
Winspace Bikes are sure a well designed and safe Bikes , but the problem in China is that theres a lot of bike makers who are doing fake bikes and you dont know now which is real or not..
It was so sponsored, but also very interesting :). I mean sponsored in a good way. If money were no issue, or if I could get it for free, I'd choose Winspace over Pinarello any day. At least now we know where and how Winspace frames are made, which is more than you can say for carbon Pinarello or most other mainstream brands. China is the new Japan with amazing work ethics and bright minds behind their products. They should get rid of their western middlemen and do it their own way. Sadly for us customers, they have started to realize this, and prices are going up, so we don't have many chances left to get a discount as early adopters.
With pro cyclists nobody questions what they say but with videos on TH-cam…. The minute something is sponsored people think you are selling lies. (Not saying you are saying that though) I think the word “sponsored” has such a negative load for content creators….. the trip was paid for by Winspace sure, but everything else I had to do myself. You’d be surprised how little they actually came up with or input they had in this video…. I planned and wrote all the scripts and shots.. we had to look for people on location to be able to tell us something about the factories etc… About the middle man, that’s what Winspace does, they don’t have the western company and do it themselves direct to consumer. There is not really an extra link in the chain you can take out. The factories don’t sell direct to consumers or distributors so it can’t go more direct than this
@@jasperverkuijl Thank you for your reply and for the great job putting both videos together in a watchable and engaging format. I can see it wasn't easy to get some of those guys excited about promoting their own product, lol. Production quality is top-notch as well. I really enjoyed both parts. 👍 For pro-peloton riders, I always keep in mind that Pogi is winning not because he rides a Colnago or uses "ketone-iq" or other branded products. There's often a difference between being sponsored and openly shilling someone's product for a paycheck without providing honest and valuable input, which I see in many undisclosed cycling channels, but not yours (I probably shouldn't have even mentioned this in the first place :)). And yes, that's what I meant: a direct-to-consumer model under their own brand name, at a reasonable price, as we see with Winspace, Yoleo, and some other Chinese wheel and frame manufacturers. They definitely need to improve their customer interactions and basic brand recognition and marketing. But I would rather support a manufacturer and designer directly than some US guy with an MBA degree who only came up with a fancy slogan and brand, along with that fake "designed in Oregon/California" sign (which is also not the easiest job sometimes, but not as honest, in my opinion).
great video. I am going to visit shanghai in a few weeks. Do you think one could save money by buying carbon frame road bikes in China as opposed to the US? Working with a budget of $1500.
You mean buy it it China vs us, or buying us brand va Chinese brand? 1500 won’t get you a carbon bike. So try to get one (rim brake) second hand, or buy aluminum instead. Watch my bike build video of my Winspace SLC2, it has a price breakdown too.
@@jasperverkuijl i had it about 3 month ago if im not wrong. it very good bike. for senior rider agile is the best middle ground. because our back not as strong as before agile very forgiving the curve on top tube work very well it like tremor absorber. i love climbing ride agile geometry make shoulder more relax. the bottom bracket section is the best. i think because it very bulky on the bottom bracket. it give very good stability and when we rocking the bike it feel very responsive i feel very powerful when do dance.
@@Sam321goor that the brand (Winspace, scott, whatever) doesn’t make the bike, and so one winspace bike is not made the same as another (different factories), and the only thing that they “own” is the sticker on the side of the bike. No hate to winspace tho as I own a t1550
Well I believe that the brand designs the bike and sets specs for the frame. The factory has the knowledge to do the correct layup to meet these specs. So different specs from different brands will make different bikes. So no, they are not all the same with a different sticker. Even though they come from the same factory. (Check my other part of the documentary for more about this!)
Sure. You go to the website that’s clearly linked in the top comment and description, and you order. Use code “cyclingfanatics” for a discount. They ship worldwide.
Thats certainly not true! There will be a few brands from the same factory but there are many many factories. So for sure not all come from one location
Carbon fiber composite doesnt really fatigue (unlike aluminum). If their test caused fatigue, which would be measured as a change in deflection throughout the test or a change in load (depending on how the test is designed) that would indicate a problem with the part, so it would be scrapped.
Hello Jasper how are you doing today? Listen,I have a question for you.I want to order a frame set and a handlebar ,but I don’t know the exact size,could you help me please? Frames:Agile red and black. Handlebar: Zero SL.Thanks everything.
sounds like a very big hike for you? I find 58 quite big for myself. Also bars can be narrower. 40 would be good. 38 possibly if you’re flexible and want to be aero. Again, compare the geo tables 👍🏻
I think manufacturer will never disclose their names (some of them), as per their client 's agreement. Its bad in business if we learned the "brands" manufacturing details.
Yes I’ve seen a lot of name tags, wheels and frames with logos etc etc from other brands. But I won’t tell which ones it are because I’m not going to damage the trust I’m given by the people that took me into their businesses. When we came in the frame factory (which is owned by a big brand) the logos of the factory name were hided before we started filming, same was for the wheel factory, plenty of logos all over the place but we where asked not to show it. So I won’t. That’s how it works. I’m glad I was allowed in and could show this
This Documentary is supported by:
► WINSPACE Carbon Frames/handlebars, 10% off with code CYCLINGFANATICS 👉bit.ly/WINSPACEBIKES
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Transparency makes you trust the brand more 💯 Kudos to Winspace for showing this video 👍
Thanks 👍🏻
Transparency is good.. But know that this is china... Everything is very staged for his visit. I hope all we see and are told is true...but would you trust China telling you something? 😊
Just remember this... The Chinese are trying to Steal the Netherlands's most important technology... ASML's tools to make smart chips.
Yup
I'm riding my T1500 frame set and Hypers wheels since 3 years now and was probably the first in France to own them.
Winspace is now my number one choice for frames and wheels !
I'm proud to ride Winspace !
Nice!
Lol, wait till you're forced to speak Mandarin
Ni-hao
you should bike to china :)
I'M SOLD! I have been convinced that WINSPACE make a top-notch product that I would be proud to own! The decal on the bike does not tell you anything about the quality of the product. But this video certainly does! The wheel video is even better! THANK YOU JASPER AND WINSPACE!
🙏🙏🤙🏻🤙🏻
Jasper. This is your calling. Amazing job on the mini documentary showing this process. Thanks to Winspace for letting you in and allowing you to film and ask questions.
Thanks 🙏
Don't be a traitor ;) you have Lynskey emblem I love that brand !!!! My go-to bike all the time
The founder is still there... what a FANTASTIC video!!! NOT even a hint of arrogance in Stephen Tsai. Dank & Tot Zeins Jasper...
🙌🏻🙌🏻thank you
That's exactly what I was thinking too!
The passion from the founder says it all
Yes that’s what I think too!
@@jasperverkuijl now allegedly hyperspace wheel sets is breaking off from it's hub. Saw a video and was told by a local bike shop it happened.
One off but two, need some investigation I guess
@@VishnuRajendranAmbooI wouldn’t worry about it tbh…. I’ve discussed it with a high end wheel builder, it’s blown up and irrelevant. This is what Catastrophic failure looks like, it could happen to any wheel stressed in a way they are not designed to. Side entry spokes is being used all over the market and the amounts of these failures is nihil in relation to the amount of wheels out there….
@@jasperverkuijl cool.. I guess as much.. thanks for info
Jasper, thanks for putting your time, energy, and money into this factory tour. Don't let the haters ruin the taste of a job well done. 🎩👌 It's clear that without 3rd party support (Winspace), this video could not have been made because it would have cost thousands of dollars. And that's too much for an individual creator.
- Petr
I appreciate that!
It may not even be about the money, it’s simply impossible to go inside these factories without an invite or brand that takes you in. So yeah, 100% I’m happy for the partnership and opportunity that Winspace provides. 👍🏻
@@jasperverkuijl amen. 😅
Don't let these Chinese fool you
@@marquesreyes3287you them fools that throw money at enve and zipp huh? Puto😅
For decades, the Chinese have been taught by name brand manufacturers on how to build these products along with all the tools needed. So it was only a matter of time for them to get in on the action.
Back in the 1990s we were rebuilding vehicle trim and bumpers that required rechroming, it was a long and complex process that includes cleaning and dipping a specific part into a vat of chromium-based solution.
As the new u.s. regulations started to take effect and drive up cost, it was no longer profitable for us. You could actually ship the parts to China to be rechromed and back cheaper than we could do the process here in the u.s.
Thanks for the video Jasper!
Yep, al long as someone checks the quality and pays enough, they will make high quality stuff 👌
Hey Jasper,
This is a spectacular showcasing of Winspace product. I’m amazed of the quality control that the company employs for their components. You’re a great presenter!! Continue doing this. You have a knack of sharing stuff about cycling!
Thank you 🙏
I bought my first chinese branded carbon parts because of videos like this. Farsports handlebars and crw wheels. If i had seen this video first and not another, i may have gone winspace. Its clear there is a lot of high quality coming from china.
Farsports is a solid brand too!🤙🏻🤙🏻
Thank you and thank Winspace for the video.
Thanks Jasper for the reporting. Never hurts to now more about quality and safety.
Wow., hope they gave you a few bikes as this video will help many people make the decision to go with Winspace over other Chinese brands
I got to keep the black and white bike 🙌🏻
Great to see videos like this! I'm very impressed with Winspace.
Glad you enjoyed it!
thanks Jasper, i think this is very worthful information. Make us aware of what needs to be considered in selecting the products. Thanks for Winspace for willing to open their process.
Awesome! Thanks 🙏
Thanks! Really nice and kudos for Winspace to show this
Thanks for the tip 👌
Great job! Always like to see how the industry really works.
Love this great docu. It helps me decide my choice. TQ
Great to hear!
My T1550 (White and black) Disk frame is due to arrive any day now. Can't wait to build it up and race the hell out of it. I ride in England which is notorious for terrible roads with constant rough tarmac, temperamental weather and technical roads. So build quality matters to me. The world needs to know about Winspace and they need to keep their prices where they are and their quality where it is and they'll quickly be ridden globally.
Awesome man.
Use some wide tires on those English roads 😜
Have fun!🤙🏻🤙🏻
I know they choose what to show and tell, but still great to see
We where not allowed to go to the frame factory all week because they were producing other brand frames so sure, they won’t let us in.
there wasn’t much I couldn’t show about Winspace or Lún. Just the other brands where kept out of the picture.
@@jasperverkuijldrop the names mate!
Cant haha. I’d like to go back one day to find out more and dig deeper 😜
When comes to manufacturing, China is at another level. Thank you for doing this documentary. BTW, u forgot to mention your 3rd job - pilot.
I figure I keep it cycling related 😜
I bought a Winspace SLC 2.0 and am super happy with it. I find it really reassuring that I made a fantastic purchase.
Great to hear!
Lucky you. Very disappointed that they are going to cease production of the slc 2.0.
@@offthefront7537why? SLC3 is already in production!🙌🏻🙌🏻
@@jasperverkuijl I like the direct mount brakes which I already have. Don't care for disc brakes.
@@offthefront7537 are they? Its still for sale on the website.
Excellent video Jasper. I have 2 sets of Winspace wheels, I needed parts recently, contacted Winspace directly and they sent me a new hub straight away. The Agile is top runner for my next frame
That’s great to hear mate! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 don’t forget that code 👉🏻 cyclingfanatics
🤙🏻
Its very cool seeing the craftspersonship while making the frame.
Loved the intro! Thanks for sharing 👍
I liked and subscribed to your channel because of this video. It was wonderful, a meaningful trip.
Awesome, thank you! Welcome to the channel 🙌🏻
Terrific video Jasper!
Thank you 🙏
Thanks Jasper; very interesting and I will consider Winspace for my next bike.
Awesome 👏
Great work Jasper!!! Also great from Winspace, definitely the leading Chinese bike brand in the western market right now!
Thanks mate
Thanks for sharing this content Jasper. Keep making more, We’ll gladly watch.
Great video, super culture in the office & factory as well. I would love to implement a nap time at work!
Yep, common practice in China 👍🏻
Amazing to see Winspace dealer network now. I remember watching Joes (China Cycling) vid when he worked for Winspace years ago, good on them.
Yup. Joe was my first connection with Winspace and I still talk to him 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Sheer determination to produce exceptional products
Really impressed with this, thank you and thank you winspace 👌
Glad you like it!
Congratulation Jasper new ambasador Winspace
Ive been with Winspace for years. Nothing new 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Excellent tour Jasper..!!! Thank you Winspace..!!! They make frames for Giant, Trek and many other name brands. Please check the bottom brackets for a perfect fit …. Hambini will be happy…. LOL
Not sure what you mean.. ?
they don’t produce for giant or trek…
Very nicely presented video on carbon bikes, both series.
Thanks 🙏
Makes me even happier with my winspace T1550 purchase!
Nice!
Great job man!!!!!!
Great vid Jas. You’re a natural👌Very educational & informative production buddy. I’ve been a Winspace fan for many years. Solid & trustworthy company. Hope they continue their great work 👍💪👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Jasper!! So very well done! Thank you, Love this!
Great documentary and highly informative, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! 🫡
thank you Jasper for this very informative video ❤🚴🏻♀
My pleasure!
Geeewellldig Jasper 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼ik heb me vaak afgevraagd hoe deze frames gemaakt werden
This is all SO labour intensive that I would advise anyone considering a Winspace or similar frame to buy it now, as prices MUST rise....
All carbon bikes are like this until they find a way to do it with a machine (they probably will in the future
Geweldige video. Rij al sinds 2016 op chineese frames. Een frame (Carbonda gravelracer) al 8 jaar mee gefietst en niet zuinig mee geweest. Recentelijk met 18kg bagage mee naar Santiago de Compestela gefietst. Geen enkel probleem. Mijn motto is dan ook "Ik betaal niet voor stickers". Volgens mij is dat ook de reden dat je niet op die andere afdelingen mag kijken. Daar liggen waarschijnlijk teveel stickers van bekende merken😁. Moet ook wel lachen om de naïviteit van een artikel zoals recent (sept 2024) in Fietssport over de van Rysel fiets. "Omdat ze zo groot zijn kunnen ze zo goed inkopen!" Duh. Laat me raden waar ze dat inkopen doen.🤣
Ik heb eigenlijk alle afdelingen gezien maar mag er alleen niks over zeggen 😂😂
Hell yes. I would definitely consider purchasing one of these. Great video.
You should!🙌🏻🙌🏻
This video makes me buy alloy frames. ^^
you should have asked them if there was going to be a "SLC3.0" with T47BB!!! Indeed, thanks for the video.
The slc3 is coming. Probably with t47 like the new 1550gen2 but I’m not sure.
Some people are negative about t47 so I don’t know if it’s a good thing 🤷🏼♂️
People often mixed China's knockoff frame as same as legit brand from China like Winspace, they are totally different thing. Glad to see more brands starting to show how they made their bikes. Giant, Time, Factor and now Winspace, when come to making carbon bikes and components, far east is the master. Don't really see much Western or Europe "Prestige" brand doing this as they have their production line outsourced to far east as well, Pinarello literally release a "How we painted our frame in Italy that came from far east" LMAO.
Time frames are made in Slovakia, but they're the exception to the rule. 3T make SOME of their frames in Italy. Colnago as well (the tour riders on colnago are on Chinese made colnago)
@@pierrex3226 I know, Time is still making their own frame, look as well. 3T Im not familiar with. C68 seem made in Italy according to Colnago. Bianchi recently shifts some of the production back to Italy as well.
Amazing video… well done!
Thanks 🙏
Winspace is one of those Chinese brand you can fully trust they are transparent has a very nice costumer service and if you need frame replacement they are willing to replace it asap as long as you described to them how you damage the frame, you just need to be honest with them.
Great to hear your positive thoughts 🤙🏻
WINSPACE FANCY SENDING US A BIKE 🖖👍
Hi Jasper, leuke video erg interessant he om de productie eens van dichtbij te zien... Ik ben in '98 in Taiwan Taipei/Taichung geweest. Vond het heel goed dat eens te hebben gezien.
Tof! Dat is al een tijd geleden! Er is veel veranderd sinds toen!
Cool vid. Thx for all the work putting it together :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
The fatigue test is also not for every handlebar. Is only for random selected handlebars.
Thats what the CEO said🤷🏼♂️
The drop test is only for some because the bars get destroyed. The fatigue test is for all of them
@@jasperverkuijl I honestly believe he got kind of confuse and said yes not realizing what the question actually was.
@@jasperverkuijlthat guy also said a handlebar is made of only two layers of carbon fiber. It seemed like he didn't know all the manufacturing details. The R&D guy was more knowledgeable about the manufacturing.
Thanks for the video！awesome！
Chinese products are awesome nowadays，even S-Works and Pinarello and those highend branded frames also made by Chinese factory
Thanks for a very interesting video. Couldn't help noticing this: 13:26: lady in Winspace's own factory is wearing double gloves while handling epoxy prepreg. 31:19 lady in 3rd party frame factory is not using any gloves at all while handling prepreg. Wonder if this is some new type of prepreg ;-)
Yeah I don’t know tbh. Guess they should all be using gloves. I didn’t know it was a thing when I was there
i have g2 xs for a year now and bought it for 900$ use it with 105 r7000 with 2 wheel sets one alu with 35 panarecer for gravel and the other one is lun 45 with 25 conti just ordered slc 2.0 for only 1030$ and i will put my lun in it .
love winspace ❤
Nice!
Amazing, thanks!! 🙏
They need an endurance frame!
With threaded BB, external cables and 40 mm tyre clearance guess what - they will dominate the mass market.
With race frames, it's not the case.
Personally, I will buy two, for myself and my dad.
Riding their pair of wheels for 3 seasons now, very satisfied.
The c5 is their endurance bike. Just launched recently
Especially liked the part where she hammers the bottom bracket into place.
😂 needs a tight fit!! 🫡🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Need some hawk tuah then
awesome series!!
Thanks!
Damn, I remember you from that canyon crash video. It's been a long journey
Long time ago!
Hopefully they will be a major tour sponsor and people will stop thinking chinese frames are junk...maybe
They are sponsoring a women’s team. They did Giro this year and are looking to get into the Tour de France next year 🙌🏻
Awesome 👍
Top gedaan Jasper!
Dankjewel!
Hi Tony!
Very informative 👏 and the still make a rim break frame
Lun grapide gravel wheel set here in the Philippines is around 40,000 - 42,000 pesos.
Is that a lot or not? I have no idea
Top notch!
how do they smoothen the internal frame from having sharp unfinished spikes?
The latex inside makes it super smooth
I'd like to see the carbon mountain bike productions
They don’t do Mtb unfortunately
Keren sepedanya
🎵 I’m number 1. I did it before. I’ll do it again…. I’m number 1! 🎵
I don't think there is anything secretive about making any of these carbon frame. It's really down to craftmanship and attention to detail. It's not like these are semiconductors where there are trade secrets to making the most cutting edge and advanced chips.
True. It’s a puzzle of carbon pieces that needs to be layed out. However the design and layup is very precise and what makes a good or bad bike with the same carbon…
Very interesting
Thanks for watching
Cool. Thanks for all the work this took
I wonder if the production factory company name was Adapt... Or Speeder .. or something else? (I know you cant/won't tell us)
Not it was a different one 😜
Great report mate… I really love the triggered people making comments about where their frames are made refusing to accept that 99% of frames (and other carbon cycling products) are ALL made in China.
Huh? Everybody knows they are made in China ( except for just a few Time/Look fanatics)
Yeah I know man. If you want to have fun, go to my Instagram and read the comments on the trailer 🤷🏼♂️🤯
15:39 what kind of QC is this if even on this unfocused shot you can see that the thickness of the wall is uneven? It's not even round. Top notch PR for selecting a faulty item for promotional video. 👌
Looks fine to me. Maybe you are looking at the edge burr or something.
“can we show some machine not working?"
"Errh...no..."
😂why am I getting a Borat vibe...
Hahahaha it was quite funny actually
Winspace Bikes are sure a well designed and safe Bikes , but the problem in China is that theres a lot of bike makers who are doing fake bikes and you dont know now which is real or not..
Sure you do, just buy off an official Winspace dealer or straight from their website and you will have the real deal 🤙🏻
Mon... S Works
Tue... BMC
Wed... Cannondale
Thu... Pinarello
Fri... day off
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It was so sponsored, but also very interesting :). I mean sponsored in a good way. If money were no issue, or if I could get it for free, I'd choose Winspace over Pinarello any day. At least now we know where and how Winspace frames are made, which is more than you can say for carbon Pinarello or most other mainstream brands. China is the new Japan with amazing work ethics and bright minds behind their products. They should get rid of their western middlemen and do it their own way. Sadly for us customers, they have started to realize this, and prices are going up, so we don't have many chances left to get a discount as early adopters.
Your pinarello is made in an lower tier facility than what's documented here. Fly to xiamen and have a tour.
With pro cyclists nobody questions what they say but with videos on TH-cam…. The minute something is sponsored people think you are selling lies. (Not saying you are saying that though)
I think the word “sponsored” has such a negative load for content creators….. the trip was paid for by Winspace sure, but everything else I had to do myself. You’d be surprised how little they actually came up with or input they had in this video…. I planned and wrote all the scripts and shots.. we had to look for people on location to be able to tell us something about the factories etc…
About the middle man, that’s what Winspace does, they don’t have the western company and do it themselves direct to consumer. There is not really an extra link in the chain you can take out. The factories don’t sell direct to consumers or distributors so it can’t go more direct than this
@@jasperverkuijl Thank you for your reply and for the great job putting both videos together in a watchable and engaging format. I can see it wasn't easy to get some of those guys excited about promoting their own product, lol. Production quality is top-notch as well. I really enjoyed both parts. 👍
For pro-peloton riders, I always keep in mind that Pogi is winning not because he rides a Colnago or uses "ketone-iq" or other branded products. There's often a difference between being sponsored and openly shilling someone's product for a paycheck without providing honest and valuable input, which I see in many undisclosed cycling channels, but not yours (I probably shouldn't have even mentioned this in the first place :)).
And yes, that's what I meant: a direct-to-consumer model under their own brand name, at a reasonable price, as we see with Winspace, Yoleo, and some other Chinese wheel and frame manufacturers. They definitely need to improve their customer interactions and basic brand recognition and marketing. But I would rather support a manufacturer and designer directly than some US guy with an MBA degree who only came up with a fancy slogan and brand, along with that fake "designed in Oregon/California" sign (which is also not the easiest job sometimes, but not as honest, in my opinion).
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great video. I am going to visit shanghai in a few weeks. Do you think one could save money by buying carbon frame road bikes in China as opposed to the US? Working with a budget of $1500.
You mean buy it it China vs us, or buying us brand va Chinese brand?
1500 won’t get you a carbon bike. So try to get one (rim brake) second hand, or buy aluminum instead.
Watch my bike build video of my Winspace SLC2, it has a price breakdown too.
❤Winspace! ❤their QC 😊
got agile in a hand. it great bike.
Awesome! Build it up yet??
@@jasperverkuijl i had it about 3 month ago if im not wrong. it very good bike. for senior rider agile is the best middle ground. because our back not as strong as before agile very forgiving the curve on top tube work very well it like tremor absorber. i love climbing ride agile geometry make shoulder more relax.
the bottom bracket section is the best. i think because it very bulky on the bottom bracket. it give very good stability and when we rocking the bike it feel very responsive i feel very powerful when do dance.
Awesome!
So basically, we are riding the stickers 😅
This isn't news.
What do you mean? Riding the stickers?
@@jasperverkuijl he means that they just stick big layers (sticker) together
@@Sam321goor that the brand (Winspace, scott, whatever) doesn’t make the bike, and so one winspace bike is not made the same as another (different factories), and the only thing that they “own” is the sticker on the side of the bike. No hate to winspace tho as I own a t1550
Well I believe that the brand designs the bike and sets specs for the frame. The factory has the knowledge to do the correct layup to meet these specs.
So different specs from different brands will make different bikes.
So no, they are not all the same with a different sticker. Even though they come from the same factory. (Check my other part of the documentary for more about this!)
Now I want cake 🍰🍰
😂😂😂 a good cake or cheap cake?😜
@@jasperverkuijl it seems you could have both 🤔😄
Does someone know the adress of them in Xiamen ?
Of who? Winspace? The frame factory? The handlebar factory? The rim manufacturer? We visited multiple places
How can i order this road bikes..do they ship in united states?
Sure. You go to the website that’s clearly linked in the top comment and description, and you order. Use code “cyclingfanatics” for a discount.
They ship worldwide.
20:11 - USSR flag :o
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Like often said; all the big brand's carbon frames comes from the same Chinese factories!
Thats certainly not true! There will be a few brands from the same factory but there are many many factories. So for sure not all come from one location
@@jasperverkuijlah clear. Very jnteresting video 👍
hm when I test those things 1000 times... Will it not reduce its sturdiness after those heavy tests?
Carbon fiber composite doesnt really fatigue (unlike aluminum). If their test caused fatigue, which would be measured as a change in deflection throughout the test or a change in load (depending on how the test is designed) that would indicate a problem with the part, so it would be scrapped.
I think because it’s only at relatively low force it won’t.
There is a post inspection as well
Hello Jasper how are you doing today? Listen,I have a question for you.I want to order a frame set and a handlebar ,but I don’t know the exact size,could you help me please? Frames:Agile red and black. Handlebar: Zero SL.Thanks everything.
I’m 6.1 means 185cm.without shoes. Thx
Do you have another bike currently? You can compare the stack and reach tables of the frames.
I have a SLC 2 and T1550 in size L and I’m about the same height. So I’m think L
@@jasperverkuijl Hey Jasper,yes I have a Specialized Tarmac size 58. Stem size 120,handlebar size 420.
sounds like a very big hike for you? I find 58 quite big for myself. Also bars can be narrower. 40 would be good. 38 possibly if you’re flexible and want to be aero.
Again, compare the geo tables 👍🏻
Do you know the names of the other brands from the factories?
6 of them are in the mens world tour
There are a bunch of factories like this one. If your western brand frame says made in china, you can confidently assume that they are made here.
I think manufacturer will never disclose their names (some of them), as per their client 's agreement.
Its bad in business if we learned the "brands" manufacturing details.
Yes I’ve seen a lot of name tags, wheels and frames with logos etc etc from other brands. But I won’t tell which ones it are because I’m not going to damage the trust I’m given by the people that took me into their businesses.
When we came in the frame factory (which is owned by a big brand) the logos of the factory name were hided before we started filming, same was for the wheel factory, plenty of logos all over the place but we where asked not to show it. So I won’t.
That’s how it works. I’m glad I was allowed in and could show this
@@jasperverkuijl Do you know if the testing and QC varied for each brand? or was it the same?
well....1st set for test sample is different than rest of production standard.....well, been there done that.
What do you mean? The first example is obviously always different than the mass production end product
Can you please lower down the volume of the BGM, thanks~!
Not anymore 🤓
@@jasperverkuijl 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻
Jasper, get out of the road 😂
🤷🏼♂️ all good mate. 🤙🏻🤙🏻