Sead Kolašinac Yeah exactly. Have a look at any news video about it and its full of hateful threats + flag emojis etc demonstrating what side they’re on.
It was made 4 years ago, yet this video is very relevant today, as always good job Shirvan, and I have the honor to be your loyal subscriber for the last 5 years.
Knowing that you are Azeri yourself, it's expected that you would gear more towards the Azeris version of history. So, I'm not mad and I don't want to get too much into it, but I'll point out a couple of things that I think were conveniently left out. 1) the reason why Azeris had higher percentages over the Armenian population was largely due to the constant persecution, which included forced Turkification, forced conversion to Islam and out right massacres by the Muslim majorities (mainly Azeris and Turks) against the Christian minority Armenians over a period of time. 2) The Armenian identity as a nation goes back almost 3,000 years. On the other hand, the Azeri identity as a nation is very new. The Azeri "Origin" can only go back to the late 1800's. By the 1800's, the Armenians had already been subjected to centuries of persecution, who were scattered all throughout there own homeland. In the 1800's, the Armenians had already become the minorities in their own homelands. So when you talk about "origin", to the Azeri that might be true, but to an Armenian the 1800 and 1900's is the tail end of the conflict when compared to their ancient culture and millenniums of fighting for survival. In conclusion, you can point to biased documents by the west, Turkey, Iran and Russia, designed to favor their own political goals. But to an Armenian, the region of Karabagh was Armenian Highlands centuries before there was even a thing called "Azerbaijan" or "Azeri". To an Armenian the "origin" goes back to the times of the Roman Empire.
To your first point, see also the deportation of the Armenians of the region by Shah Abbas. It is of course often conveniently omitted from the Azerbaijani historiography. Interesting how Christian empires are assigned blame but Muslim imperial polities are absolved. Hmm...
He mentions one important thing: the general populace generally lived in peace. Moreover, the genetic makeup has close similarities, suggesting intermixing of blood for a long period of time. As an azerbaijani person who has been studying this issue for over a decade (but still feels like he knows nothing, by the way), I am now convinced that trusting the official sources of both sides is not the right way. What I am trying to say is that both sources will try to blame the other for ethnic cleansing and assimilation. The truth is, both sides have committed those crimes. P.S. By the way, even though it might be thought that the armenian identity has existed for 3 millennia, the language did not fully separate from the neighbouring Indo-European language groups until at least a thousand years ago, roughly simultaneously with the formation of the turkic azeri language
MyasoGlot "By the way, even though it might be thought that the armenian identity has existed for 3 millennia, the language did not fully separate from the neighbouring Indo-European language groups until at least a thousand years ago" What?!? That is staggeringly incorrect. Where did you pick that up from, exactly?
Jackal I was studying Indo-European linguistics, and according to the Graeco-Armenian theory, greek and armenian are related. However, the transition between the two is vary hard to trace, since many of the ancient Anatolian language subgroups, which are thought to have been a gradient between greek and armenian, are extinct. And the first mentions of armenian are from around 500 AD (my bad, not 10th century)
Don't get your hopes, the Armenians are coming out in force with their pseudo-genetic histories to "discredit" Azeris and their history. I think nationalism is really stupid honestly.
This video has aged well... Especially when people around the world started forgetting about Red Russia. "What we do now, defines our future...." -2020
@@postyoda Yep. Proof that this trainwreck could be avoided. This dude is a youtuber, Armenia and Azerbaijan have people with huge salaries to think of solutions. They didn't do anything. Apparently some geopolitical moments have their inertia and inevetability.
Is he armenian? If he is, ı respect him more becouse now of his objectivity against the unlawful acts of his own country. And i hope he didnt join the army becouse armenian side is already demanding peace in a skirmish they started first by killing Azerbaijani civilians, they are losing heavily right now and men who dont join the military are being arrested. I hope one of them is not this guy, i love his channel
I feel sorry for the conflict and the killings that we are going through, i believe Kharabagh belongs to both sides. Armenians and Azerbaijanis. This conflict is a product of Russia, politics and greed. Unfortunately our governments are heartless and create propaganda and brainwash us, this goes for both sides. We the people should love eachother. We are very similar people just with different religion. People with big warm hearts. Much love and peace from Armenia. I hope for a better future!
I ask because I'm one of those 4th generation Armenians who didn't learn much about my heritage growing up.. I'm trying to gain a better perspective on this... AND determine if/when I can safely come visit the area
@@kamranyusifov95 If you want to visit Karabakh and for some reason, you don't want a stamp on your passport (such as a future intention of visiting Azerbaijan, for example). You can ask the border guards to put an entry stamp on a special slip that they provide, instead. You'll need to show the entrance slip alongside your passport when leaving the country and they'll stamp the slip with an exit stamp, so your passport won't show you've ever been there.
It was indeed! imagínate, Shirvan prediciendo el futuro 4 años atras jajaja. Como alguien lo menciono arriba: eso significa que ya se veía venir y en consecuencia, se podía evitar. Lástima, solo Dios sabe cuantas vidas se perderán
I feel bad for people who are half Armenian, half Azerbaijani. The ones born during the Soviet days when different ethnic groups more or less co-existed peacefully.
@Min Tin Israel? Currently Israel supplies Azerbijan with weapons. Israel barley has diplomatic relationship with Armenia. Also, England is not even in the picture with respect to South Caucuses.
Alexandru ______ This conflict might get real ugly. Both sides have declared martial law and mobilization of forces. Azerbaijan has declared a state of war in some areas of the country. We’ll have to wait and see what happens.
THX1188 8855 Currently it is mostly centering around the breakaway region in Azerbaijan. The situation is tense since Armenia has attacked the 2nd largest city in Azerbaijan with missiles today. That could potentially lead to war between both sides, this has many implications since Turkey supports Azerbaijan and Russia somewhat supports Armenia, so both could get involved directly. I say Russia somewhat supports Armenia because their new leader doesn’t see eye to eye with Putin.
@@darthmaul2742 As a Turk i want to give you my un-biased opinion on the whole Russia-Armenia thing. Frankly i don't think Russia will get involved in this (unless war reaches Armenian or Azerbeijani soil) simply because as you mentioned before, Putin doesn't get along well with the Armenian leader, and Russia & Azerbeijan are allies. Russia will not harm Azerbeijan nor Armenia, and they definetly will not support Armenia militarly.
This is so sad and it reminds me so much of Yugoslavia's fate. The similarities between the opposing sides and the pure futility of the conflict.. And the thing that hit me the most was the murder of the people who fought for peace. Sadly, peacekeepers are always the first victims before the war and insanity take over..
6:50 "at the backdrop of the war Azerbaijani civilians were massacred and Armenian villages were pillaged" lol just wtf dude even a child can read in wiki that Azeris and Turks massacred some 20k of Armenians in Baku alone in retaliation to massacre conducted by Armenians, but then there is also Shusha massacre-another huge (30k) massacre perpetrated by Azeris.
+fanest bcz azerbaijani army destroyed armenian,british and cauacasian commitern and then they punished armenians bceause they killed so much azerbaijanians in baku before battle
Punished? You mean massacred right? Also I mentioned what Armenians did, still Azeri&Turks killed roughly twice (according to some sources even thrice) as many Armenians in the aftermath.
From the viewpoint of someone who has no ties to the region whatsoever, I'm fascinated by the number of Armenians who accuse the man of being biased coz "he's Azeri". Well.. The same could be said about most Armenians, I assume. Just substantiate your argument.. If he's wrong, just say he's wrong because this and that.. The mere assumption of bias is inconsequential to proving or disproving an argument.
the other commentators I've seen usually go on to talk about the history of Armenians living in the region for thousands of years and other things. They don't just stop at "You are Azeri, so you're wrong."
I love this channel, and Shirvan , but one thing to realize is that if you are living in Azerbaijan and dont have a pro azeri stance on Karabagh you actually in both physical and legal danger. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship , and the government uses and helps fuel rage against Armenians as one of the main devices to stay in power, its a tale as long as time. Azeri's are no richer then Armenians, even though they have a ton of oil and resources that Armenia does not have, but as long as all the problems are blamed on Armenia, the government doesnt have to answer for extreme corruption and looting of the national wealth, and screwing over of the common people . For example, if you have an Armenian last name you are not allowed to visit Azerbaijan...even if you have nothing to do with the country of Armenia except your heritage. I am not a nationalist...Caucasian Azeri's are the natural descendants of Caucasian Albanians who are native to that land , it is actually interesting the Azeri's who live in Iran ( the majority), are genetically almost indistinguishable from other Iranains, and the Azeri's in the Caucasus....there closest ethnic relatives are Armenians....not the turks. It is a very very sad thing that is going on, Ancient Brothers divided by Religion, with gas thrown on it by politicians who want to stay in power
@@arsenarzumanyan2651 Of course. That's fair enough. And when I made this comment I was the under no illusion that Azerbaijan is a beacon of freedom. But if his viewpoint as stated in this video was subjected to any form of pressure, and was not in fact genuine nor objective, then there was no need for him to make an episode on this topic in the first place. He could've just avoided it completely. Now of course being "genuine" or "objective" doesn't mean he was necessarily accurate. I'm sure that many Armenians who disagree with his view also have an objective argument of their own. And what I'm saying is, it would've been much more productive and informative if many of the pro-Armenia comments challenged his viewpoint with more objective arguments, that's it. Also, very often, the roots of territorial disputes are often found in pre-statehood phases of history that major international or regional powers exploit to their geostrategic advantage. So it becomes very difficult to definitively determine which people really own a land. In which case a "fair" solution would require some sort of a compromise. And that's when strong nationalistic sentiments play a role. You feel compelled to defend your country's position or else you're a traitor. And it goes both ways to further perpetuate the conflict.
@@arsenarzumanyan2651 Also, to be fair, some of the comments from Armenians on this thread were quite mature and glossed over the fact that he is Azeri and managed to just stick to the point. So by no means was my initial comment applicable to all Armenian commentators on this thread.
I understand your point about making specific arguments, but at least from my perspective is that Shirvan is conveniently ommiting what i believe are key factors. He doesnt mention the ancient history of Armenians in the Artsakh region. I don't recall him saying how NKR was majority Armenian in the 1980s and they democratically voted to unite with Armenia before Azerbaijan got mad and the pogroms started in Sumgayit, Baku, etc. He doesnt talk about the deliberate negligence from the Azerbaijani government during the Khojaly event. Something is either Armenia's fault or it's "both sides" did xyz.
You talked about Khojalu but left out Sumgait Polgroms. Armenians were massacred in their homes. On the Armenian side this is what got the whole Artzakh liberation movement started.
Excellent video as usual, that's why I'm a fan of this channel. I was wondering what would be Shervan's opinion about this new conflict and it was perfectly argumented. I hope both countries are able to settle this in peace and before it's too late... Cheers from a Venezuelan in Argentina ✌🏻
I guess people who are too lazy to read will not find the other account of this: In 1921, Armenia and Georgia were also taken over by the Bolsheviks who, in order to attract public support, promised they would allot Karabakh to Armenia, along with Nakhchivan and Zangezur (the strip of land separating Nakhchivan from Karabakh). However, the Soviet Union also had far-reaching plans concerning Turkey, hoping that it would, with a little help from them, develop along Communist lines. Needing to placate Turkey, the Soviet Union agreed to a division under which Zangezur would fall under the control of Armenia, while Karabakh and Nakhchivan would be under the control of Azerbaijan. Had Turkey not been an issue, Stalin would likely have left Karabakh under Armenian control.[58] As a result, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast was established within the Azerbaijan SSR on 7 July 1923.
Someone DoesSmth Remember when the Soviets took over Baku, Armenian forces had control of Nakhichevan, Zangezur and Karabak according to Caspian. So to say "Stalin kept" the status quo is lie. Rewind and watch one more time. If you go to University inAmerica you'd get a big zero for not paying attention to details. So who is the liar??
The Soviet were colonialis power, just like the British and French they make all kind of promises regarding lands that doesn't belong to them, and usually leave behind flash points.
Russians messed the historical balance between these people to govern them easily. They did the same thing in Transnistria, Poland, Finland, the Central Asia...
Funny how you mention quojalu massacre but not sumgait much larger massacre which was main reason why quojalu massacre happened as an answer to azers sungait massacre.
This Qojalu massacre "myth" was debunked years ago,in a filmed interview with former President of Azerbaijan, Mr. Echilbey. I watched him state clearly on TH-cam, that it was Azeri forces that committed the atrocities, for political reasons. So after all these years since that interview, there are still have these paid Azeri government agents and their stooges, busy on the internet, repeating the same debunked mantra. Quojalu, Quojalu. Like the Natzys, and the Commies, they think that a lie often repeated becomes folklore. Think again. The internet may be a conduit for liars but is also a conduit for the truth for those who seek it. If the Azerbaijan government feels so strongly about this, it should "Summon" the government of Artsakh to the International Court of Justice, to answer for the charges of Genocyde. Perhaps then other Genocydes could be revisited too. Shushi, Baku, Sumgait, Gaindja, etc.
Spaxetime, you are correct, Armenians did the raid on Khojalu, but the warning about raid had given month ago, also Azerbaijanies government and media knew about exiting corridor, president of Azerbaijan at those days stated that he ordered to evacuate the people,but no evacuation was than, and also from Khojali and Shushi Stepanakert had been bombarding, many armenian civilians died during bombarding. After the massacre the Azerbaijanian president resined, but mentioned that there is some dark story under that massacre. As an Armenian i do think that there was a raid and during the raid soldiers were ordered to clean the area from enemy, but i do not think that there was some kind of horrible thing that, aiming to mock azerbaijanies as a nation, or kill azerbaijanies for the nationality, but the fact is that there were people killed, with a horrible scenes that puts an aggression towards to nationalities and lead to racism, like in 2004 when ramil safarov murdered armenian soldier Gurgen Markarian while he was asleep. In 2012 he was deported to Azerbaijan and was claimed as a true patriot and hero, such things are terrible. The conflict of Armenians and Azeries has a history of centuries, Armenians were a nation who was surrounded by muslins and struggled for survival and independence, but after Genocide were 1.5 million Armenians were killed and it was also a fact, Armenains lost all the trust toward Turks and Turkic Azeries, leading to eternal conflict between those nations. NEVERTHELESS I hope someday the truth will came out and one day you may return to the very same place were your grandfather lived
In 1604 over 90% of Nackhachivan was Armenian as recorded from 6th century BC until in 1604 when Shah Abbas completely removed almost 99% of Armenians and then allowed Azeri tartars to be settled there, while along the way 70% of Armenians persihed allong the way and settled in New Julfa near Isfhan, yet Azeris claim it as ancient Azerbaian Yes there was a Yerevan Khanate, and the reason is clearly covered in history, where over 400 years occupation by Orttomans & Persians allowed Azeris to be settled there A simple test to define the cultural existence of ethnic Armenians & Azeris in Arstakh (Karabagh) is a religious one Oldest Church as listed by UNESCO in Karabagh is from 380AD, oldest Mosque is from 1760AD, so why would ethnic Azeris being majority Shias wait centuries to build their first mosque in Karabagh?? Every single Armenian cemetary and Church in Nackhachivan has been destroyed including the UNESCO listed Julfa one, with over 10,000 Stone Crosses of Armenian build & design, and same will happen in Karabagh, as it also hapened in Western Armenia But I will give you credit for some factual information
İt is very funny. What is the meaning of Karabakh? Kara. Black bakh- garden 😂You always used to do his fake history...... The russians, armenians, without the reality is that nobody is. Armenians were always flattering it is True.
It is REGRETTABLE that Muslim Azeris & Turks did to Christian Armenians what Muslim Moghuls did to the Hindus in India : For the sake of PEACE & HARMONY will there be a RECONCILIATION of the peoples involved ?
5:10 Notice the Kurds on the map. This video considers all the Muslims mentioned in the 19th century census as Azerbaijanis which is not true. The actual numbers are different if you know Kurds are Muslim but not Azeri.
1:28 Had lost their independent kingdoms centuries ago? I know about Armenian kingdoms but where they Azeri ones too? I know about Caucasian Albania (2nd century BC - 8th century AD) and Shirvanshah dynasty but as far as I know neither of these considered themselves "Azeri". Azeri identity is highly dependent on a Turkic one. The connection is as weak as the connection between pre-saxon Bretonics in Britain and modern English and between Gauls and modern French.
Azeris are ethnic Turks. Stalin named them Azeri to separate them from Turks of Turkey. Anyway, what’s your point with this comment? Does that justify Armenia brutally massacring and forcing innocent Azerbaijani people from their homes?
I love Shirvon, but this is the one conflict I know he can't be unbiased about. At 7:05 he mentions Azeris being massacred, but Armenian villages being pillaged. I sense both sides did and doing a fair share of killing non combatants.
As an Azerbaijani I agree with your comment - he could have said both sides committed massacres. This video was done in 2016 when Azerbaijanis felt very very slighted by being made to be, quite unfairly, the "absolutely losing side" for so many years, so I can understand Shirvan's possibly unintended bias. However, I think that generally the video is fair, given that it is made by Azerbaijani, and is not anti-Armenian at all. And most importantly, it illustrates where the real "origins" had originated from most of this time, if you catch my drift
How many people died in Baku pogroms? Did he mention March days where more than 10000 Azerbaijani civilians were killed by Dashnaktsutyun? or may 8 Shusha massacre? or Garadaghly massacre? or Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacres? or 1988 Khankandi pogrom?
For those comments who say this video is biased because channel’s owner is Azerbaijani can you talk about what did he say wrong? You just write he is biased and you just disappear after that. I think you should stand with what do you claim.
key ork key ork key ork I didn’t ask you a tale here. You were talking about facts where are they? 1st of all why are you trying to make me believe that we don’t need to get back our lands huh? 😂 2nd Of course 100% population is armenians BUT NOW. It was not like that before you killed our people and make them leave. Most of the population of Karabakh was Azerbaijanis and armenians which After russia brought. 3rd I’m originally from Baku I will not go to live there But there are lots of people are waiting for their lands for 30years. They couldn’t even take 1 picture of them when you made a genocide there They will go back to Karabakh and live in their mother lands. I have lots of friends from Karabakh . One of my bf always talking about her grandmas house how she talked about. She still talks she didn’t die& waiting for Qubadli I’m trying to explain I’ll not build a house but you stole those houses already years ago. They already had owners. You feel bad for your people ? What about those people you destroyed their lives? And 150.000 people is not our problem they can go to Armenia. I would like to say they can also stay with us. But believe me our people did that years ago they welcomed you but what happened? You think they can live with the people with the same blood with murders? 90% of families lost at least 1 person from their families They killed their families in front of their eyes. And the main point is here Turkey didn’t attack to villages they didn’t kill innocents for occupying Fighting with civilians and soldiers are different things. There is a difference between CONQUERING and OCCUPATION And they did those in 1400s But you genocided and occupied after 1980. I think I made this clear for you. 30 years ago you did the worst thing in the world it wasn’t just a genocide with bullets you also tortured them Cutting pregnant women’s belly? Putting there his husband’s head? Filling kids into barels and burn them alive? Now which aggression are you talking about exactly? If we have aggression to you it’s understandable at least we have a reason. But you? do you even have an explanation for that?
@@ayselabdullayeva5478 Except for Khojaly massacre Armenians didn't kill/ hurt civilians. Khojaly was a result of laziness and frustration on our side and not hatred. It is proven that soldiers were among the civilians and we probably didn't bother to distinguish. It is true that we took some of your people's homes. My grandfather moved to a house that belonged to an Azeri family that fled (not in Karabakh though). But this is something that happened on your side too accompanied with violence ( wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Azerbaijan ). Horrible things happened caused by both sides but they were not genocides, they were massacres. Don't trust hearsay tales told by your countrymen. Cutting pregnant women’s belly is something I've heard too from Armenians blaming Azeris and Turks but I refuse to reproduce it because it's probably not true and made up to dehumanize the opponent. Let us not do that.
@@FunkSoulBrother7bro, how abt all the genocides from 1917-1921? Y'all kept killing and massacring us. U literally started this war. And the ethnic clashes from 1905-1907 were ur start as well. U dud genocide us
The history stated in this video is only goes back 200-300 years, but when it goes back 1600 years, then the landscape was completely different. The Islamic invasions of number of these region has only created tensions across various part of Asia and this has cause serious fissures.
The host is Azerbaijani, and here is a list of the major things that he misrepresented: 1. He skips the entire period between 1920 and the 1980s, where the general secretary of Soviet Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev (former dictator of Azerbaijan and father of Azerbaijan's current dictator) , attempted to "Azerify" the region by settling Azeris, depopulating Armenians, and depriving Armenians of basic services. (might be useful in a video that is supposed to be about Karabakh and why it voted to leave). Heydar reduced the Armenian population there by 75%. 2. He mentions the 1992 battle of Khojaly as the "most notable massacre", late in the war, but he skips the massacre that began the war in 1987 in Sumgait, when Azeris mudered and mutilated dozens of their unarmed Armenian neighbors. This informed Karabakh Armenians determination not to stick around and wait their turn. 3. He manages to talk about WW1 without mentioning the genocide of 1.5M Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, or any of the treaties that placed the Armenian enclave of Karabakh in Armenia. He prefers to use the word "recognizes" only when it suits his purposes. 4. He also skips the massacre of Shusha (in Karabakh) in 1920, when Azeris ethnically cleansed the Armenian population... half the city. 5. He doesn't mention how Nakhchivan, which lost half of its population (the Armenians) also led Karabakh to believe that the same would happen to them... especially after Heydar Aliyev's campaign. 6. He forgets to mention that Azerbaijan destroys medieval Armenian monuments, because there are no medieval Azeri monuments. The government doesn't want its people to know that Armenians were there 1000 years before they arrived as Seljuk Turks. CaspianReports also has its own alternate history.
I have to say I enjoy your channel very much. As an American who has lived in Europe for 11 years and the middle east for over 5 years. I have a wider view of real world geopolitics. Your reports have brought to light issues not heard about if at all in the west. You have broaden my view about the Caspian region and its issues to light. For that I thank you.
I feel like you could have at least *mentioned* the Armenian Genocide, especially as it relates to the changing demographics of the Caucasus during and after WWI due to the huge influx of Armenian refugees.
@@Yrkr785 yeah he is. we didnt call ourselves turk during soviet times. but armenains always did. thats so wierd. its their perversion they brougth with them to our lands. racist european ideas
@@meh23p they did not call us Turk because we are, they called so they can capitalize on already established hatred. they brought many racist ideas to Caucasus that European masters were teaching them. Caucasus was never mono ethnic region.
@Farid Suleymanov would you say that about the holocaust? stop crying jews. typical azeri genocide deniers. blame your poor propaganda filled education system
You have to keep in mind that Artsakh is armenian historical land, therefore they have more rights to claim it by default. Actually, none of Azerbaijan is azerbaijani historical land, cause azerbaijani are immigrants in the region, came from Middle Asia. The most of territory of Azerbaijan is historical land of lezgic peoples, which are now minorities and are treated with utmost disrespect and are being forced to assimilation. The lezgian culture is being quietly destroyed, Qusar district (in which the majority of people are lezgins) doesn't even get autonomous status. Lezgian mosques are being closed, ancient Udi village is being renamed, etc. Not to mention awful statements by the government, like the one where they say Armenia shouldn't exist at all, they also claim Derbent and falsify their history, cause their history in the region starts the earliset in 11th century. So yeah, basically Azerbaijan government doesn't have any rights to claim any of the territory after what they do and what they say.
It’s so sad. You have two nations Armenian and Azerbaijan two beautiful countries different beautiful culture and language. And both of them became victimized because of the Russians and turkey. But what I don’t understand two countries went at war Armenia fought and took lands let’s just say hypothetically speaking it belong to Azerbaijan? OK get over it they took it you lost its their country now..they lost soldiers who fought to take those lands who gives a Fuck what happened 150 years ago or 3000 years ago. Maybe when Turback
By default??What the fuck dude with that sense,Greeks,Assyrians,Romans,Persians and Chinese should partion the world amongthemselves.Absolute pure retardation right there
6:10 There's hardly any historical reference that ''most of the international community had recognized Surmali and Yerevan as part of Armenia and Nakhchivan, Zangezur and Karabagh as part of Azerbaijan''. Moreover: the arbitrary boundaries, shifting borders (more precisely: areas of sovereign jurisdiction of given political entities) and overlapping territorial claims were among the many causes of the reluctance of ''the international community'' to grant de-facto and de-jure recognition to the newly-born Caucasus republics.
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Your talking out of you ass....You are so un informed...i...If interested..let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint.(V.Setyan)...... If interested. according to Anthropologist Mitchell S. Rothman regarding the extent of discoveries and specially on the quality of horse bones proved, According to him, that it was from the Shangavit Armenian 6000 years ago that the culture of that area spread around to the ancient world... ..Professor Jensen also says. ‘For almost everything that is known in the Hittite language is Old Armenian in form..Historian Sayce 1845-1933) also consider Hittite and Armenian to be one and the same’. and Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush.
The one very important fact the narratot doesnt mention is that in 1605 shah Abbas of Persia had deported up to 300.000 armenians from the territories of modern day Armenia and Azerbaijan that is why in the following two centuries azeris made a significant portion of population in those mentioned three russian governorates ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Великий_сургун
For everyone watching this video please not that this channel is based in Azerbaijan and the video is pro-Azerbaijani not independent view. If you're looking for independent videos, check out major news outlets or channels not from Azerbaijan or Armenia.
This was very well organized and informative history of the events that have led us to the present situation. It is sad that no matter where you look around the world humans are constantly fighting and bickering and killing each other over power struggles. It seems to be the fate of our species - highly intelligent yet highly self-destructive and also destructive to the natural world as well.
it is sad that people like you getting influenced easily with fake history and very fast become satisfied because it is not matter to you who is the guilty side, please do not stop your research and get your information from sources that gives you the truth and you are educated and influenced correctly , I suggest read the history and do your home work of both countries then you understand NO AZERbaijan existed as country "ever" before Coca Cola and Armenians living in Caucasus for 5000 years ,1/3 of Turkey is western Armenia and now this idiot blogger is after people like you to be influenced and educate them the way they want it and not exact what happened
I watched this video twice. Despite the criticism from the Armenian users, I did not come across a single factually inaccurate statement... As for the overall tone, I found it to be highly pro-peace...
No it’s very bias, he adds some false info such as demographics of people groups and makes it look like most of Armenia should be azerbajiani and acts like Armenians started it. He doesn’t include when Armenians were there 3,000 years longer and were deported and killed by Turks to become a majority in Armenian land
Thank you for explaining this with such tact and knowledgeability. I am a descendant of Armenian immigrants from the 1890’s so this conflict is important to me. Also #2020isCrazy
I studied this conflict a long time ago and was in the second war. This video contains a lot of one-sided information, this video is an attempt to discreetly expose Azerbaijan in a good light. The information is not neutral, but it is very important in the documentary video. If you look at the "About Channel" tab, you will find that the author is from Azerbaijan
Yea he is biased against Armenia and provided inaccuracies. What makes me the most mad is that he essentially tries to claim almost all of Armenia as part of Azerbaijan even though throughout most of history Artsakh, Navchiivka, Zangezur and large parts of Eastern Anatolia were part of Armenia's homeland. Heck Armenian cities and kingdoms traded with the ancient Egyptians and other bronze age civilizations. There is a reason the mountain ranges are known as the Armenian Highlands by historians and geographers. Sadly until Azeris stop being fascist and expansionist, there probably will never be peace.
You mean everything was Russia's fault? The USSR established peace in the region, but according to his thesis, it was just a way of governing. I don't remember mentioning Turkey in this conflict?
The conflict started after Russian Empirer conquered the region. Within Kadjar State dominated in the region before Russian Empirer thete could not be any clashs between the groups. Becouse all cristians were minorities not only in karabagh or zangezur, but also in yerevan khanate (irevan in kadjar papers) and Kadkar State was a muslim shia country reigning by torkish (azerbaijani) tribe
This video is heavy biased and is pro-azerbaijani so just take it as Azerbaijani propaganda, not an independent view. As far as I know the author is Azerbaijani.
It just shows that in 19 and 20th centuries a few massacres and a genocide can really change demographics. Nakhichevan sounds Armenian but we cannot find any cultural traces there anymore: monasteries, cemeteries and steles have disappeared and this happened in 21st century.
@@SamirAvtotune Karabagh word is more Iranian than Turk and it was nicknamed given by Russians. And Artsakh is much older than these words ;) 90s conflict shows following displaced people stats: 850k Azeris and 400k Armenians, I call it even provided the relative numbers of the total populations.
Thanks for the intel! There’s no long form information on this besides your channel. Great stuff dude.
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Yes.....If interested..let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint.(V.Setyan)...... If interested. according to Anthropologist Mitchell S. Rothman regarding the extent of discoveries and specially on the quality of horse bones proved, According to him, that it was from the Shangavit Armenian 6000 years ago that the culture of that area spread around to the ancient world... ..Professor Jensen also says. ‘For almost everything that is known in the Hittite language is Old Armenian in form..Historian Sayce 1845-1933) also consider Hittite and Armenian to be one and the same’. and Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush.
Just so you know there is a lot of misinformation in this video but ig it doesnt matter since Azerbaijan has successfully cleansed Artsakh and Navchiivka of all Armenians. The only question now is whether or not they will colonize the rest of Armenia's homeland without the international community doing anything about it.
Dude, your videos are very sensitive and informative, I find them apart from other channels. Could I request you to post a video about current situation in Syia in extreme details ? I know you have done a video on situation in Syria, but would you please make a video again, but this time detailing the roles of the following : 1. Syrian Government forces 2. Free Syrian Army 3. Forces of Conquest 4. ISIS 5. International Coalition
I think it is important to note that Shirvan is from Azerbaijan. Not trying to discredit the video or anything as I don't know much about the conflict itself. Just thought it'd be worthy to point out that there is a possibility of a bias.
Я хочу, чтобы не было войн во всем мире. В каждой стране веками шли войны, и теперь они живут в мире и спокойствии. Я верю, что Армения и Азербайджан, как и прежде, будут жить на Кавказе в мире и согласии. если мы этого не увидим, это увидят будущие поколения. Мир миру и Южному Кавказу ..... ❤🇦🇿✌🏻🇦🇲
Which country has husband and wife as president and vice president? Which country is runed by the the same family since its creation? Which country teaches hate in its schools? Which country oppresses human rights and freedom of speech? What role has oil played in the creation of this country called Azerbaijan? If you are in the right and just, what are you afraid of? An Armenian can and does speak freely in Armenia about anything and anyone, this is a fact. What is your opinion on killing of Armenians by turks, In Western Armenia? Who is your enemy, Armenians or tha alievs?
Well, I won't tell you whether Azerbaijan or Armenia is right. Fortunately, Azerbaijan army has liberated several villages, peaks and cities ( you can see names on twitter of President of Azerbaijan). On the other hand, Armenia has a great deficit of soldiers as they declared mobilization for the second time. Azerbaijan President, Ilham Aliyev, is giving interviews to several channels w/high motivation and evidence to Armenian fake news. In addition, Pashinyan calls Putin every day for seeking help, solving this issue w/ another armistice and eliminating loss of army. US, France and Russian presidents are worried about risks of this conflict internationally and demand ceasefire and peace for the region immediately. However, Ilham Aliyev already sent an ultimatum to Pashinyan w/ mentioning: "Azerbaijan will agree on peace only if Armenians leave Karabakh region in one-shot". If you are interested in conflict, I'd recommend to you to look up official resources, such as mod.gov.az/en/news-791/ P.s All info provided is in English. Thank you!
@@aidanibrahimli5466 You "wont tell him whether azerbaijan or Armenia is right," and then you continue to give the most biased answer you could have possibly come up with. Armenia has occupied that land for centuries. Literally centuries. There are 200+ cemeteries in Artsakh (Kharabakh) and 97% of the graves bear Armenian names. The land is entirely governed by Armenians and has Armenian churches still standing from the FOURTH CENTURY. Now after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Stalin granted that territory to Azerbaijan. Imagine living in an area for many centuries, and a country with the history less than a toilet plunger (not even exaggerating) is trying to "liberate" locations that were never even theirs.
@@sevakohanian7335 I was hoping CaspianReport would make a new video about what is going on right, the history part I know, though it's really muddy, as so many bad things from both sides in so long time..
This was an excellent and balanced laying out of the complexities between the two. It would be interesting to do a deeper dive on the impact of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians which overlapped with the period of the fall of the Russian Empire.
The fall of the Ottoman Empire itself also plays a role especially after the Russian-Ottoman war in 1978... But apart from that, coming to the genocide against the Armenians, I always observe Armenians who want to justify the murder of Azerbaijani civilians by pointing out to the genocide in 1915. I am aware of war crimes against Armenians committed by Azeris for sure, but saying that the genocide in 1915 justified massacres against the Azeris will certainly not be beneficial.
You may be aware of other parallels between 1915 and this conflict as well, i.e. ottoman armenians taking advantage of the chaos, allying with russians in exchange for a promise of land, and attacking and trying to ethnically cleanse ethnic turks from border regions. Then the ottomans pushed back, russians abandonded armenians, and the heavy-handed response measures forced by the dire situation in ottoman empire itself which was on the brink of collapse led to what armenians are presenting as a deliberate genocide. The did the same thing in the 1990s in Azerbaijan, with greater success, and now are trying to present themselves as victims and under threat of genocide from Azerbaijan. In fact, even during ww1 they massacred Azerbaijanis in Baku, Shemakha and other cities, but they only like to talk about response massacres months later when the ottomans entered Caucasus. The lesson seems to be clear - don’t do onto others what you don’t want to happen to yourself, but they will not learn.
@@stanchpandora3658 no, armenians started first every time, they had an agenda - they were even in fact the ones who first led the russians into caucasus just to advance their case, read about it
@@JN-wr9he I did, and almost every source debunks your claims. The first massacures were orchestrated by Azeris and then Armenians did some in revenge.
I want to thank the author of this video. It's high time that Armenia and Azerbaijan stop killing each other and make the deal. Armenia has to give back to Azerbaijan at least those Provinces that were clearly Azerbaijani, and at the same time Azerbaijan must give warranties about the life and the properties of the remaining Armenian population. It is a a very difficult effort but aby life we can save it is worth of it. Both countries have a lot to earn rather than killing each other. I hope that the brave and inspired souls will prevail the blind rude nationalists.
I have the original Russian survey of 1823 (Opisanie Karabagskoi provintsii sostavlennoe v 1823 goda, Tiflis, 1866). The Muslim population (the survey refers to the future Azeris as Tatars), Tatars, Kurds and various nomads--formed 73% of the population, the Armenians 27%. However, in the five mahals, which later formed Nagorno-Karabakh-- Varanda, Dizak, Talysh [Gulistan], Khachen, Jraberd (Chelaberd)--the Armenians formed 96.67% of the population. In addition in the Sisian and Kiupara mahals in the Zangezur region, the Armenians formed 86.32%. Even if we add the 240 families of nomads who roamed south of the Aras (Arax) River, the Armenians still formed 70% of those two mahals. As to the Elisavetpol province; the 1897 official Russian census (N. A. Troinitskii ed, fasc., VII, St. Petersburg, 1905),p. 6. the Muslims are 60.8%, Armenians 33.26%. the rest Russians and others. The population figures for 1908--the last census before the fall of the Russian Empire, Pamiatnaia knizhka Elisavetpolskoi provintsii, Elisavetpol, 1910), has Tatars (all Muslims), 62.2%, Armenians 35%, others (Russian, Germans, Poles etc. 2.8%). The Tatars and Armenians split the city of Elisavetpol--Ganja--into separate quarters-- with the Tatars 45.49% and Armenians 43.47%. Get your facts straight
My (American) ocean-swimming group consists of: one guy from Azerbaijan, one guy from Iran, two people from Israel, two Germans, one Russian and five Americans (all different origins). We are all BEST FRIENDS. Why the F___ can't these people get along?
You failed to mention the Armenian history part. You failed to mention how Armenians from Artsakh, Yerevan, and Nakhichevan were deported so many times by the Iranians where they became a minority in the early 1800s (read how shah abbas deported Armenians from Nakhichevan and new julfa). You failed to mentioned how Azerbaijan tried to make Armenians a minority in Artsakh curing WWII where 1 in 3 Armenian men from Artsakh went to war, meanwhile 1 in 19 Azerbaijani men went to war. The list goes on, such as how Armenians, through centuries of discrimination and oppression becamse so sparsely populated in their native lands, you failed to mention why the Armenian communities were so far away from each other and weren't connected (done intentionally btw). And don't get me started over the genocides committed against the native christians in anatolia ever since the turkic people came (against georgians, assyrians, pontic greeks, and armenians). You either missed out on all of these important information on purpose or you should do more research on it. Because the whole truth is not being told, sure nothing in the video was a lie, and it was mostly very well made so props for that, but if you want to sound unbiased, you have to tell the whole story.
Speaking as a Muslim ...., you are totally right ! The persecution and murder of Armenian peoples has always been under told . Even where my family originate from Kashmir we had Armenian traders and some settled there .
@@kishmish64 Yes, thank you for that. I was very recently reading about Armenia & east India trade. Armenians became very rich Trading in south Asia without oppressing the native people unlike others. We have had a close contact for centuries. Armenians built the first churches in India and became advisors to the shah Also fun fact, many Indian queens were of Armenian decent, including mumtaz maha (after which Taj Mahal was built on behalf), her father was a Persian Armenian. Actually another fun fact which relates directly to my original comment. The only reason why they were Armenians from Persia (mumtaz mahal and her dad) was because of deportation by Persians. They wanted Armenians in their lands because at that time we had several trade routes and trade deals with Europe and Asia. For more info between Armenia & Indian subcontinent. You can check this article here: allinnet.info/world/armenians-in-the-unique-culture-of-india/
Interestingly the author of this piece starts from the Treaty of Gulistan 1813. If I start Iran's history from 1979 and ignore The Medes, Sassanides, Achamenids. What would you think? Or I start about US history and choose 1776 and Ignore the pilgrims and the Mayflower or Christopher Columbus regarding the indigenous people in America? You get my drift? You can't cut off history arbitrarily and start off from 1813 from Karabakh point of view. Karabak had khamsa Meliks the Armenian principality if you go back from 1813 and if you start further in the Middle Ages Karabak Armenians had Khachen's Principality starting from 1281 and even further last century BC Karabag was 10th province of Kingdom of Armenia. Have you read, Herotodus, Strabo the ancient historians or looked at maps? Or your wealthy Patreon patrons won’t pay, if you do a thorough research and write about history instead of starting history from 1813? I won't be donating a dime to this garbage.
+Crocuta IV and ever wonderd why the people in Karabakh now are full of armenians? Do you know there are about one million Azerbaijani refugees after the war in the 90's? Armenians never were the majority in Karabakh until after the war.
Crocuta IV the Azerbaijani refugees have every right to return to their homelands. You say armenians weren't treated fairly or mercifully but the Azerbaijanis were not either. So you can't really expect to get "respect" when you never showed or show it back. Armenians can't even take proper care of Karabakh besides for some cities. It's full of ghost towns now, with 18-year-old armenian boys forced to be a soldier and protect the illegal occupied lands. It's sad actually. I don't think this situation is compareable with Poland. As russia also loves to mind their buisiness in his conflict too. Look at what the Russians have done to North-Caucasus and Georgia. Invading and occupying. They love it when ex soviet countries fight eachother and become weak. Too bad armenia and Azerbaijan fell into this dirty game.
Yup Azerbaijanis are just an other sub group of Turks and are in no way related to any indo Europeans in the Caucasus which included Pontic Greeks Assyrians Kurds Alani Armenians Georgians and Persians, Azerbaijanis are just Turks of a different kind, so many different it’s impossible to tell which is which, weather it be Kazakhs Uzbeks Turkomens Turks Azerbaijanis and Cossacks but none of them are in anyway remotely indo Europeans or even related to any Caucasus groups. So this video is just a complete bunch of bullshit
05:45 Why is the historic Georgian area in today's Azerbaijan called Saingilo not visible on this map? Saingilo belonged to Georgia at the time, but then unfortunately Azerbaijani communists took it away from us.
He mentions Khojar which affected Azeris but does not mention Sumgait pogrom or the many other pogroms which affected Armenians. He does this cheap "both sides" talk, but goes on to describe Azeris as being "massacred" while Armenians were just "looted." Mention of Russian interference but no Turkish interference. Not enough stress on the significance of oil. The first oil wells were in Baku, but he says they kinda just show up in the last few decades. This is heavily pro-Azeri propaganda and he never reveals his identity so unfortunately a lay listener won't be forewarned. Also no mention of Armenian genocide. No mention of Azeri leader's mafia connections or Erdogan's party's (AKP) ambitions in thr region. This is overwhelmingly one-sided dressed up as fairness.
@@bentongraves2165 Yep, I have to admit that his report is somewhat biased. I remember the events in Sumgait, and what a savage massacre of Armenians it was.
Karl no problem, if you're interested in the general Azeri attitude towards Armenians look up Ramil Safarov and how the Azeri people celebrated him. Of course it is a generalization. Full disclosure, I am pro-Armenian based on the available evidence. There are a lot of people online rallying to their sides right now. Beware misinfo and the nature of the conflict as a proxy between different NATO countries (Turkey v France) and regional powers (Iran v Turkey) and historical hegemons (Turkey v Russia). Armenia has a history of denying some of the Azeri claims that I am slowly becoming aware of as I continue weighing the evidence but some Azeri claims of genocide are devoid of evidence. Primary sources!
What he tells is nothing else than the well known Azeri fairy tail about the conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. Which is biased AF. And the absence of "emotional subjective language" doesn't prove the opposite.
@@georgeqwerty382 He is posting the available information such as the census information that is available. He even states in a way that it is confusing because of the overlap in regional designations. What else can he go by?
My ansestors have been in Shushi since 1500, and so did many other Armenians. It was not only a cultural area for Azerbaijan, but for many centuries for Armenians aswell. Many Armenian churches still stand there dating back hundreds of years.
Your ancestors that lived in Shushi were Caucasian Albanians. In 860 when Arab Khalifate suspended Caucasian Albanian Church, Armenians stepped forward and convinced the Arabs to handover all christian Albanian churches to the Armenian Church. This way they were Armenised due to the same religious belief. Those Armenians that exists in Garabag came to the region after 1828 when the Russian empire massively migrated Armenians from Iran based on the Turkmencay Agreement 1828. Griboedov also wrote about this mass migration. There was also a monument which was destroyed by Armenians to loss any trace of it. It is called Maragah 1978 and it was in Hadrut.
@@Elshadcan who are you to tell who is whom's ancestor? As a matter of fact, you have appropriated yourself the Caucasian Albanians, to shamelessly claim they were Azerbaijan's ancestors, yet you have absolutely no link with them. Caucasian Albanians' alphabet was established by the inventor of the Armenian alphabet, Mesrop Mashtots. The Caucasian Albanians were Christianized by Armenians and their Church linked to ours. But the frontiers of Caucasian Albania never incorporate Artsakh. Before the country known today as Azerbaijan and its people "Azeris", you were known as Caucasian Tatars...the leftovers of the Mongols and Timurids... the name Azerbaijan is itself derived from Persia's ancient Atropatene. You did not even have a State until 1918. As for the coming back of Armenians to Artsakh in the 1820s, Armenians were not new to the region, it was not their first time they came there. It was a coming back to the homeland, after 2 centuries of Persian-Safavid-Qajar policies of deportation of Armenians from Artsakh, Syunik and Nakhichevan.
@@Arshahan Great points thanks for setting the record straight. This is the type of things people should be pointing out so everyone can understand. I just had a comment argument with the same guy elshadcan. he seemed articulate and knowledgeable at first until he threw names and insults and stopped replying
@@Arshahan It's irrelevant international law makes clear what Armenia has done to the Nagorno-Karabakh region is illegal, no amount of mythology or past ancient history will erase the fact that Armenia illegally seized land in violation of the geneva conventions.
Sumqayit and baku pogroms happened after excile of azerbaijanies from all of armenia. The court investigation showed that the pogroms were organised and commited by KGB
At 2:48 author states that demographic survey in 1823 reviled that there was 91% Azerbaijani, 9% Armenian, when, in fact, it was other way around (source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh#cite_note-Tbilisi_1866-51). What are authors relationships with truth?
"The earliest concrete numbers about the population of the whole of Karabakh is from the census of 1823 concerning the abolition of the Karabakh Khanate [karabakh] . In the territory of the former Armenian principalities[nogorno-karabakh] , 90.8% of villages were recorded as being Armenian, while 9.2% were recorded as Tatar or Kurd.[53][54] The population of the former Armenian principalities [nogorno-karabakh] accounted for approximately 8.4% of the population of the whole of Karabakh[karabakh] " If you look this way, armenians were 90% in their majority region nogorno-karabakh and 8% in whole karabakh.
19:58 ''by ones allies, you shall know them'' the fact that the azeri regime is closely allied to (arguably) the 2 lowest of the lowest, is quite telling. israel for obvious reasons, and the turkish or their interference in both iraq, syria and apparently to a much larger extent than one would like to admit, also azerbaijan. for this reason the israeli regime has not officially/unofficially recognized the armenian genocide and is maintaining (much like their nuclear weapons) a 'not recognize nor deny' position, and yet dare to propagandize the ww2 deaths for all their despicable actions to this very day...
I’m sorry when did Azerbaijan ever have an independent kingdom ever. As far as I’m concerned before 1918 no azeri state ever existed. Get your shit right sir
Sofia T they were independent for a year and a half before getting into USSR. But 1991 would be the first time Azerbaijan existed as an internationally recognized state. Never had a kingdom, never had a republic or anything representing a state. And then there’s the Armenian Urartu
@@kristofferhaugstad7616 Do your research, Russia sell arms to both countries. Azerbaijan has ten times more military, half the brain capacity and one eighth the balls.
@Osman Oglu True is what Washington wants there, while using those local countries, not what you want to see, but being biased is mainly being Turk, so you may be right in your own little way...
@Osman Oglu When you learn to read without help, I talk to you further. But this would be too much for me to ask from you, sorry, keep sleeping. You may snore too!
The TH-cam comment section is not the best place for lists as long an extensive as the one I could compose highlighting your bias driven selectivity concerning the events you chose to touch on in this video. Azerbaijani woes and Armenian injustices abound, likewise Russia and other neighboring empires were mentioned frequently, mostly concerning how Azerbaijan was either negatively affected or how Armenia was supposedly aided throughout the ages by these neighbors. That said had I not already been blatantly aware of the nature of your biases via all of your previously viewed content I would find it curious that the Armenian genocide perpetrated by The Young Turks was amongst the events you neglected to mention given how important it was in shaping the current political climate and environment of the region however er knowing your agenda I am not surprised by that one but everyone has an agenda of some sort and everyone has biases. Objective impartiality is actually a myth,
The Young Turk and Armenian Genocide had nothing to do with Azerbaijan and Azeri people. Ask Turkish government about that. Just because Turkish elite massacred Ottoman Armenian doesn't mean Armenia entitled "compensation" from Azeri people. Shirvan was right to not mention Armenian Genocide because frankly it was irrelevant
Who's here after the news.
Me
I watched this video a year ago or something and came again after the news.
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yeap, same, just saw it on news that thers 4 days now of conflict. What a fuckfect did soviets created...
Wow, the comments are actually quite ok, I kinda expected a mess tbh
probably cause associated ppl have no time for youtubing due to war and grief
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*+Jasmin Tagijeva* I guess, welcome to CaspianReport.
Petros Thiriou erm, no, loads of people in the countries involved are arguing on the internet
Sead Kolašinac Yeah exactly. Have a look at any news video about it and its full of hateful threats + flag emojis etc demonstrating what side they’re on.
It was made 4 years ago, yet this video is very relevant today, as always good job Shirvan, and I have the honor to be your loyal subscriber for the last 5 years.
Knowing that you are Azeri yourself, it's expected that you would gear more towards the Azeris version of history. So, I'm not mad and I don't want to get too much into it, but I'll point out a couple of things that I think were conveniently left out.
1) the reason why Azeris had higher percentages over the Armenian population was largely due to the constant persecution, which included forced Turkification, forced conversion to Islam and out right massacres by the Muslim majorities (mainly Azeris and Turks) against the Christian minority Armenians over a period of time.
2) The Armenian identity as a nation goes back almost 3,000 years. On the other hand, the Azeri identity as a nation is very new. The Azeri "Origin" can only go back to the late 1800's. By the 1800's, the Armenians had already been subjected to centuries of persecution, who were scattered all throughout there own homeland. In the 1800's, the Armenians had already become the minorities in their own homelands. So when you talk about "origin", to the Azeri that might be true, but to an Armenian the 1800 and 1900's is the tail end of the conflict when compared to their ancient culture and millenniums of fighting for survival.
In conclusion, you can point to biased documents by the west, Turkey, Iran and Russia, designed to favor their own political goals. But to an Armenian, the region of Karabagh was Armenian Highlands centuries before there was even a thing called "Azerbaijan" or "Azeri". To an Armenian the "origin" goes back to the times of the Roman Empire.
To your first point, see also the deportation of the Armenians of the region by Shah Abbas. It is of course often conveniently omitted from the Azerbaijani historiography.
Interesting how Christian empires are assigned blame but Muslim imperial polities are absolved. Hmm...
He mentions one important thing: the general populace generally lived in peace. Moreover, the genetic makeup has close similarities, suggesting intermixing of blood for a long period of time. As an azerbaijani person who has been studying this issue for over a decade (but still feels like he knows nothing, by the way), I am now convinced that trusting the official sources of both sides is not the right way. What I am trying to say is that both sources will try to blame the other for ethnic cleansing and assimilation. The truth is, both sides have committed those crimes.
P.S. By the way, even though it might be thought that the armenian identity has existed for 3 millennia, the language did not fully separate from the neighbouring Indo-European language groups until at least a thousand years ago, roughly simultaneously with the formation of the turkic azeri language
MyasoGlot "By the way, even though it might be thought that the armenian identity has existed for 3 millennia, the language did not fully separate from the neighbouring Indo-European language groups until at least a thousand years ago"
What?!? That is staggeringly incorrect. Where did you pick that up from, exactly?
Why not go back to caveman age? In that age Armenians ruled the entire world.
Jackal I was studying Indo-European linguistics, and according to the Graeco-Armenian theory, greek and armenian are related. However, the transition between the two is vary hard to trace, since many of the ancient Anatolian language subgroups, which are thought to have been a gradient between greek and armenian, are extinct. And the first mentions of armenian are from around 500 AD (my bad, not 10th century)
And hello from September 2020
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@Cyber Destroyer hi Armenia.
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@@adzikkaragyozyan9055Barev axpers
Looking forward to a very peaceful comment debate!
Don't get your hopes, the Armenians are coming out in force with their pseudo-genetic histories to "discredit" Azeris and their history. I think nationalism is really stupid honestly.
I'm an Armenian and I too would appreciate a peaceful debate about this
@@GuyShōtō there is no such thing as azeri. We're azerbaijan turks
@@faxm9061 The existence of Azerbaijan and the people living in it refute this stupid statement.
@@GuyShōtō yea sure
This video has aged well...
Especially when people around the world started forgetting about Red Russia.
"What we do now, defines our future...."
-2020
Balkans : I'm complicated
Armenian & Azerbaijan : LoL
armenia and azerbaijan are quite a bit more simple than balkans, the entire struggle of the whole of the north and south caucasus however...
You were right. Hope you are well and not conscripted into the meat grinder.
Too late. Look like in the news, consricption is on going now.
Dude this fucking guy; everything he said four years ago turned out exactly as he said.
@@postyoda Yep. Proof that this trainwreck could be avoided. This dude is a youtuber, Armenia and Azerbaijan have people with huge salaries to think of solutions. They didn't do anything. Apparently some geopolitical moments have their inertia and inevetability.
Is he armenian? If he is, ı respect him more becouse now of his objectivity against the unlawful acts of his own country. And i hope he didnt join the army becouse armenian side is already demanding peace in a skirmish they started first by killing Azerbaijani civilians, they are losing heavily right now and men who dont join the military are being arrested. I hope one of them is not this guy, i love his channel
@@EmreYldz-bn8yr Nop. I think he is Azeri.
I feel sorry for the conflict and the killings that we are going through, i believe Kharabagh belongs to both sides. Armenians and Azerbaijanis. This conflict is a product of Russia, politics and greed. Unfortunately our governments are heartless and create propaganda and brainwash us, this goes for both sides. We the people should love eachother. We are very similar people just with different religion. People with big warm hearts. Much love and peace from Armenia. I hope for a better future!
is your perspective common in Armenia?
I ask because I'm one of those 4th generation Armenians who didn't learn much about my heritage growing up.. I'm trying to gain a better perspective on this... AND determine if/when I can safely come visit the area
@@kamranyusifov95 If you want to visit Karabakh and for some reason, you don't want a stamp on your passport (such as a future intention of visiting Azerbaijan, for example). You can ask the border guards to put an entry stamp on a special slip that they provide, instead. You'll need to show the entrance slip alongside your passport when leaving the country and they'll stamp the slip with an exit stamp, so your passport won't show you've ever been there.
russia is the usa of the caucasus
You are also a man of culture ...
I am from Central America, it was very detailed and informative!
It was indeed! imagínate, Shirvan prediciendo el futuro 4 años atras jajaja. Como alguien lo menciono arriba: eso significa que ya se veía venir y en consecuencia, se podía evitar.
Lástima, solo Dios sabe cuantas vidas se perderán
I feel bad for people who are half Armenian, half Azerbaijani. The ones born during the Soviet days when different ethnic groups more or less co-existed peacefully.
@Min Tin What? Who was defeated! I'm not understanding something?
@Min Tin lmao get your wolf emoji shit out of here.
@invisible ghost the only help armenia can get is from russia and after being a puppeted for a while nothing for free.
@Min Tin inst israel fighting armenia rn
@Min Tin Israel? Currently Israel supplies Azerbijan with weapons. Israel barley has diplomatic relationship with Armenia. Also, England is not even in the picture with respect to South Caucuses.
What is this timing. I get this video recommended now, when the tensions between the two countries are very high.
Alexandru ______ This conflict might get real ugly. Both sides have declared martial law and mobilization of forces. Azerbaijan has declared a state of war in some areas of the country. We’ll have to wait and see what happens.
now even more
@@darthmaul2742 how heavy is the confict? I herd about this war about a week ago as im not from the USA and UK.
THX1188 8855 Currently it is mostly centering around the breakaway region in Azerbaijan. The situation is tense since Armenia has attacked the 2nd largest city in Azerbaijan with missiles today. That could potentially lead to war between both sides, this has many implications since Turkey supports Azerbaijan and Russia somewhat supports Armenia, so both could get involved directly. I say Russia somewhat supports Armenia because their new leader doesn’t see eye to eye with Putin.
@@darthmaul2742 As a Turk i want to give you my un-biased opinion on the whole Russia-Armenia thing.
Frankly i don't think Russia will get involved in this (unless war reaches Armenian or Azerbeijani soil) simply because as you mentioned before, Putin doesn't get along well with the Armenian leader, and Russia & Azerbeijan are allies. Russia will not harm Azerbeijan nor Armenia, and they definetly will not support Armenia militarly.
This is so sad and it reminds me so much of Yugoslavia's fate. The similarities between the opposing sides and the pure futility of the conflict.. And the thing that hit me the most was the murder of the people who fought for peace. Sadly, peacekeepers are always the first victims before the war and insanity take over..
Well, as much as I know the Dutch peace-keepers in Yugoslavia stayed idle and let the Serb forces slaughter the innocent people.
6:50 "at the backdrop of the war Azerbaijani civilians were massacred and Armenian villages were pillaged" lol just wtf dude even a child can read in wiki that Azeris and Turks massacred some 20k of Armenians in Baku alone in retaliation to massacre conducted by Armenians, but then there is also Shusha massacre-another huge (30k) massacre perpetrated by Azeris.
that was battle of baku
massacre happened after the battle
+fanest bcz azerbaijani army destroyed armenian,british and cauacasian commitern and then they punished armenians bceause they killed so much azerbaijanians in baku before battle
Punished? You mean massacred right? Also I mentioned what Armenians did, still Azeri&Turks killed roughly twice (according to some sources even thrice) as many Armenians in the aftermath.
he is azeri, so expect some biasses infos
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TH-cam: watch how a war might start after it actually starts 🤣🤣
WTF I thought this video was made some weeks ago.
From the viewpoint of someone who has no ties to the region whatsoever, I'm fascinated by the number of Armenians who accuse the man of being biased coz "he's Azeri".
Well.. The same could be said about most Armenians, I assume.
Just substantiate your argument.. If he's wrong, just say he's wrong because this and that..
The mere assumption of bias is inconsequential to proving or disproving an argument.
the other commentators I've seen usually go on to talk about the history of Armenians living in the region for thousands of years and other things. They don't just stop at "You are Azeri, so you're wrong."
I love this channel, and Shirvan , but one thing to realize is that if you are living in Azerbaijan and dont have a pro azeri stance on Karabagh you actually in both physical and legal danger. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship , and the government uses and helps fuel rage against Armenians as one of the main devices to stay in power, its a tale as long as time. Azeri's are no richer then Armenians, even though they have a ton of oil and resources that Armenia does not have, but as long as all the problems are blamed on Armenia, the government doesnt have to answer for extreme corruption and looting of the national wealth, and screwing over of the common people . For example, if you have an Armenian last name you are not allowed to visit Azerbaijan...even if you have nothing to do with the country of Armenia except your heritage. I am not a nationalist...Caucasian Azeri's are the natural descendants of Caucasian Albanians who are native to that land , it is actually interesting the Azeri's who live in Iran ( the majority), are genetically almost indistinguishable from other Iranains, and the Azeri's in the Caucasus....there closest ethnic relatives are Armenians....not the turks. It is a very very sad thing that is going on, Ancient Brothers divided by Religion, with gas thrown on it by politicians who want to stay in power
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Of course. That's fair enough.
And when I made this comment I was the under no illusion that Azerbaijan is a beacon of freedom.
But if his viewpoint as stated in this video was subjected to any form of pressure, and was not in fact genuine nor objective, then there was no need for him to make an episode on this topic in the first place. He could've just avoided it completely.
Now of course being "genuine" or "objective" doesn't mean he was necessarily accurate. I'm sure that many Armenians who disagree with his view also have an objective argument of their own.
And what I'm saying is, it would've been much more productive and informative if many of the pro-Armenia comments challenged his viewpoint with more objective arguments, that's it.
Also, very often, the roots of territorial disputes are often found in pre-statehood phases of history that major international or regional powers exploit to their geostrategic advantage. So it becomes very difficult to definitively determine which people really own a land. In which case a "fair" solution would require some sort of a compromise.
And that's when strong nationalistic sentiments play a role. You feel compelled to defend your country's position or else you're a traitor. And it goes both ways to further perpetuate the conflict.
@@arsenarzumanyan2651
Also, to be fair, some of the comments from Armenians on this thread were quite mature and glossed over the fact that he is Azeri and managed to just stick to the point.
So by no means was my initial comment applicable to all Armenian commentators on this thread.
I understand your point about making specific arguments, but at least from my perspective is that Shirvan is conveniently ommiting what i believe are key factors. He doesnt mention the ancient history of Armenians in the Artsakh region. I don't recall him saying how NKR was majority Armenian in the 1980s and they democratically voted to unite with Armenia before Azerbaijan got mad and the pogroms started in Sumgayit, Baku, etc. He doesnt talk about the deliberate negligence from the Azerbaijani government during the Khojaly event. Something is either Armenia's fault or it's "both sides" did xyz.
You talked about Khojalu but left out Sumgait Polgroms. Armenians were massacred in their homes. On the Armenian side this is what got the whole Artzakh liberation movement started.
Meaning of “ Pogrom” not even armenian word.
Someone DoesSmth then killed by whom? The poison spirits took their souls? 😄
Thank you man, the Madrid Principles were enlightening
Excellent video as usual, that's why I'm a fan of this channel. I was wondering what would be Shervan's opinion about this new conflict and it was perfectly argumented.
I hope both countries are able to settle this in peace and before it's too late...
Cheers from a Venezuelan in Argentina ✌🏻
I guess people who are too lazy to read will not find the other account of this: In 1921, Armenia and Georgia were also taken over by the Bolsheviks who, in order to attract public support, promised they would allot Karabakh to Armenia, along with Nakhchivan and Zangezur (the strip of land separating Nakhchivan from Karabakh). However, the Soviet Union also had far-reaching plans concerning Turkey, hoping that it would, with a little help from them, develop along Communist lines. Needing to placate Turkey, the Soviet Union agreed to a division under which Zangezur would fall under the control of Armenia, while Karabakh and Nakhchivan would be under the control of Azerbaijan. Had Turkey not been an issue, Stalin would likely have left Karabakh under Armenian control.[58] As a result, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast was established within the Azerbaijan SSR on 7 July 1923.
Someone DoesSmth
Remember when the Soviets took over Baku, Armenian forces had control of Nakhichevan, Zangezur and Karabak according to Caspian. So to say "Stalin kept" the status quo is lie. Rewind and watch one more time. If you go to University inAmerica you'd get a big zero for not paying attention to details. So who is the liar??
The Soviet were colonialis power, just like the British and French they make all kind of promises regarding lands that doesn't belong to them, and usually leave behind flash points.
@Someone DoesSmth So using that logic Nakhchivan should be Armenian, since the majority was Armenian?
Love how this channel has rational and intellectual viewers
Dude, you've doing these excellent videos for a long time! Thanks and keep up the good work!
This is a great report, well done! You need to update it now with what was happening in the 4 years leading to 2020.
Watched this 4 years ago and came back after reading the recent news in the region. Looking forward to an update from you
Same
You make great reports, thanks and keep the great work!
love the Excel spreadsheet with an old paper filter to make it look authentic 4:20 ;) But seriously love your stuff man
This is the best channel for Geopolitical analysis!! GREAT job as always!!
Best analysis I guess so far on TH-cam regarding this conflict. Ty for enlightening us.
Russians messed the historical balance between these people to govern them easily. They did the same thing in Transnistria, Poland, Finland, the Central Asia...
Why Russians? Soviet Leaders of the 20s. There were couple of Armenians there to be fair.
@@LS-dp2gs +1, for example Stalin was Georgian.
eifelitorn Yes. My point exactly.Would be unfair to blame Russians. The only Russian in that circle was Kirov, I think.
Russia saved Christians from Jihad
@@LS-dp2gs this policy started long before the Soviets.
Funny how you mention quojalu massacre but not sumgait much larger massacre which was main reason why quojalu massacre happened as an answer to azers sungait massacre.
This Qojalu massacre "myth" was debunked years ago,in a filmed interview with former President of Azerbaijan, Mr. Echilbey. I watched him state clearly on TH-cam, that it was Azeri forces that committed the atrocities, for political reasons. So after all these years since that interview, there are still have these paid Azeri government agents and their stooges, busy on the internet, repeating the same debunked mantra. Quojalu, Quojalu. Like the Natzys, and the Commies, they think that a lie often repeated becomes folklore. Think again. The internet may be a conduit for liars but is also a conduit for the truth for those who seek it. If the Azerbaijan government feels so strongly about this, it should "Summon" the government of Artsakh to the International Court of Justice, to answer for the charges of Genocyde. Perhaps then other Genocydes could be revisited too. Shushi, Baku, Sumgait, Gaindja, etc.
Spaxetime, you are correct, Armenians did the raid on Khojalu, but the warning about raid had given month ago, also Azerbaijanies government and media knew about exiting corridor, president of Azerbaijan at those days stated that he ordered to evacuate the people,but no evacuation was than, and also from Khojali and
Shushi Stepanakert had been bombarding, many armenian civilians died during bombarding.
After the massacre the Azerbaijanian president resined, but mentioned that there is some dark story under that massacre.
As an Armenian i do think that there was a raid and during the raid soldiers were ordered to clean the area from enemy, but i do not think that there was some kind of horrible thing that, aiming to mock azerbaijanies as a nation, or kill azerbaijanies for the nationality, but the fact is that there were people killed, with a horrible scenes that puts an aggression towards to nationalities and lead to racism, like in 2004 when ramil safarov murdered armenian soldier Gurgen Markarian while he was asleep. In 2012 he was deported to Azerbaijan and was claimed as a true patriot and hero, such things are terrible.
The conflict of Armenians and Azeries has a history of centuries, Armenians were a nation who was surrounded by muslins and struggled for survival and independence, but after Genocide were 1.5 million Armenians were killed and it was also a fact, Armenains lost all the trust toward Turks and Turkic Azeries, leading to eternal conflict between those nations.
NEVERTHELESS I hope someday the truth will came out and one day you may return to the very same place were your grandfather lived
sumgait was kinda provocation by secret agency of ussr and some armenian bandits
Man this report is really good checked at 11 mins to my surprise this report is long. Just the way I like it!!
It's super biased but yeah k
In 1604 over 90% of Nackhachivan was Armenian as recorded from 6th century BC until in 1604 when Shah Abbas completely removed almost 99% of Armenians and then allowed Azeri tartars to be settled there, while along the way 70% of Armenians persihed allong the way and settled in New Julfa near Isfhan, yet Azeris claim it as ancient Azerbaian
Yes there was a Yerevan Khanate, and the reason is clearly covered in history, where over 400 years occupation by Orttomans & Persians allowed Azeris to be settled there
A simple test to define the cultural existence of ethnic Armenians & Azeris in Arstakh (Karabagh) is a religious one
Oldest Church as listed by UNESCO in Karabagh is from 380AD, oldest Mosque is from 1760AD, so why would ethnic Azeris being majority Shias wait centuries to build their first mosque in Karabagh??
Every single Armenian cemetary and Church in Nackhachivan has been destroyed including the UNESCO listed Julfa one, with over 10,000 Stone Crosses of Armenian build & design, and same will happen in Karabagh, as it also hapened in Western Armenia
But I will give you credit for some factual information
İt is very funny. What is the meaning of Karabakh? Kara. Black bakh- garden 😂You always used to do his fake history...... The russians, armenians, without the reality is that nobody is. Armenians were always flattering it is True.
It is REGRETTABLE that Muslim Azeris & Turks did to Christian Armenians what Muslim Moghuls did to the Hindus in India : For the sake of PEACE & HARMONY will there be a RECONCILIATION of the peoples involved ?
KARABAKH,Irevan,Mehri,Zengezur are Azerbaijan.Inshallah we get our land back
@@azerbaijan8144 Please go back reading from your nation encyclopedia EssegLopedia, it has amazing sources of information for Essegs just like you
@@DanieAhad Are you snoring when you're awake too?
12:35 is that Borat?
I just realized that lol.
Kazakhstan is meddling into Caucasus politics.
Very well made and informative!!
5:10 Notice the Kurds on the map. This video considers all the Muslims mentioned in the 19th century census as Azerbaijanis which is not true. The actual numbers are different if you know Kurds are Muslim but not Azeri.
It's not significant. In 1897 there were in 1,332,408 Azerbaijanis, 785,421 Armenians and only 52,431 Kurds in the three South Caucasian governorates.
Kurds are a big Ethnic group. I have known Kurds who are in fact Muslims, but also Christians. Before Islam, Most Kurds were Zoroastrians.
@@MihcaelTube You've know Kurds that we Muslim and Christian at the same time? lol how does that wok?
@@vahehgeragosian I meant that I know both Christian and Muslim Kurds. Who are not the same Kurds.^^
1:28 Had lost their independent kingdoms centuries ago? I know about Armenian kingdoms but where they Azeri ones too? I know about Caucasian Albania (2nd century BC - 8th century AD) and Shirvanshah dynasty but as far as I know neither of these considered themselves "Azeri". Azeri identity is highly dependent on a Turkic one. The connection is as weak as the connection between pre-saxon Bretonics in Britain and modern English and between Gauls and modern French.
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Azeris are ethnic Turks. Stalin named them Azeri to separate them from Turks of Turkey. Anyway, what’s your point with this comment? Does that justify Armenia brutally massacring and forcing innocent Azerbaijani people from their homes?
Qara Qoyunlu, Aq Qoyunlu.
@@steminist__6876 you forget to mention the Armenian genocide
Harry Mullooly Huh? What does it have to do with Azerbaijan?
Interesting how there was absolutely no mention of Baku pogrom of Armenians in an apparently "objective" analysis.
I love Shirvon, but this is the one conflict I know he can't be unbiased about. At 7:05 he mentions Azeris being massacred, but Armenian villages being pillaged. I sense both sides did and doing a fair share of killing non combatants.
@@Opocrious Yeah, he didn't mention a terrible Shusha massacre from 1920 when the thousands of Armenians were killed!
As an Azerbaijani I agree with your comment - he could have said both sides committed massacres. This video was done in 2016 when Azerbaijanis felt very very slighted by being made to be, quite unfairly, the "absolutely losing side" for so many years, so I can understand Shirvan's possibly unintended bias. However, I think that generally the video is fair, given that it is made by Azerbaijani, and is not anti-Armenian at all. And most importantly, it illustrates where the real "origins" had originated from most of this time, if you catch my drift
How many people died in Baku pogroms? Did he mention March days where more than 10000 Azerbaijani civilians were killed by Dashnaktsutyun? or may 8 Shusha massacre? or Garadaghly massacre? or Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacres? or 1988 Khankandi pogrom?
Doesn't even mention the armenian genocide. coincidence that the narrator is azeri and that azerbaijan denies the armenian genocide?
You can check “about channel” tab , and you will find- Azerbaijan
For those comments who say this video is biased because channel’s owner is Azerbaijani can you talk about what did he say wrong? You just write he is biased and you just disappear after that. I think you should stand with what do you claim.
key ork yeah you have to tell one by one Otherwise your whole words are empty claimings for support your country.
key ork key ork key ork I didn’t ask you a tale here. You were talking about facts where are they? 1st of all why are you trying to make me believe that we don’t need to get back our lands huh? 😂 2nd Of course 100% population is armenians BUT NOW. It was not like that before you killed our people and make them leave. Most of the population of Karabakh was Azerbaijanis and armenians which After russia brought. 3rd I’m originally from Baku I will not go to live there But there are lots of people are waiting for their lands for 30years. They couldn’t even take 1 picture of them when you made a genocide there They will go back to Karabakh and live in their mother lands. I have lots of friends from Karabakh . One of my bf always talking about her grandmas house how she talked about. She still talks she didn’t die& waiting for Qubadli I’m trying to explain I’ll not build a house but you stole those houses already years ago. They already had owners. You feel bad for your people ? What about those people you destroyed their lives? And 150.000 people is not our problem they can go to Armenia. I would like to say they can also stay with us. But believe me our people did that years ago they welcomed you but what happened? You think they can live with the people with the same blood with murders? 90% of families lost at least 1 person from their families They killed their families in front of their eyes. And the main point is here Turkey didn’t attack to villages they didn’t kill innocents for occupying Fighting with civilians and soldiers are different things. There is a difference between CONQUERING and OCCUPATION And they did those in 1400s But you genocided and occupied after 1980. I think I made this clear for you. 30 years ago you did the worst thing in the world it wasn’t just a genocide with bullets you also tortured them Cutting pregnant women’s belly? Putting there his husband’s head? Filling kids into barels and burn them alive? Now which aggression are you talking about exactly? If we have aggression to you it’s understandable at least we have a reason. But you? do you even have an explanation for that?
@@ayselabdullayeva5478 Except for Khojaly massacre Armenians didn't kill/ hurt civilians. Khojaly was a result of laziness and frustration on our side and not hatred. It is proven that soldiers were among the civilians and we probably didn't bother to distinguish. It is true that we took some of your people's homes. My grandfather moved to a house that belonged to an Azeri family that fled (not in Karabakh though). But this is something that happened on your side too accompanied with violence ( wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Azerbaijan ). Horrible things happened caused by both sides but they were not genocides, they were massacres. Don't trust hearsay tales told by your countrymen. Cutting pregnant women’s belly is something I've heard too from Armenians blaming Azeris and Turks but I refuse to reproduce it because it's probably not true and made up to dehumanize the opponent. Let us not do that.
@@FunkSoulBrother7 armenians got the right answer in 1915 proven in 1991.
@@FunkSoulBrother7bro, how abt all the genocides from 1917-1921? Y'all kept killing and massacring us. U literally started this war. And the ethnic clashes from 1905-1907 were ur start as well. U dud genocide us
Hey man could you do an analysis on the Sudanese uprising? I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
The history stated in this video is only goes back 200-300 years, but when it goes back 1600 years, then the landscape was completely different. The Islamic invasions of number of these region has only created tensions across various part of Asia and this has cause serious fissures.
No one goes back 1600 years ago when discussing land or states. Should the Americans have to leave America for the natives?
How did armenians became christian?😂
The host is Azerbaijani, and here is a list of the major things that he misrepresented:
1. He skips the entire period between 1920 and the 1980s, where the general secretary of Soviet Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev (former dictator of Azerbaijan and father of Azerbaijan's current dictator) , attempted to "Azerify" the region by settling Azeris, depopulating Armenians, and depriving Armenians of basic services. (might be useful in a video that is supposed to be about Karabakh and why it voted to leave). Heydar reduced the Armenian population there by 75%.
2. He mentions the 1992 battle of Khojaly as the "most notable massacre", late in the war, but he skips the massacre that began the war in 1987 in Sumgait, when Azeris mudered and mutilated dozens of their unarmed Armenian neighbors. This informed Karabakh Armenians determination not to stick around and wait their turn.
3. He manages to talk about WW1 without mentioning the genocide of 1.5M Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, or any of the treaties that placed the Armenian enclave of Karabakh in Armenia. He prefers to use the word "recognizes" only when it suits his purposes.
4. He also skips the massacre of Shusha (in Karabakh) in 1920, when Azeris ethnically cleansed the Armenian population... half the city.
5. He doesn't mention how Nakhchivan, which lost half of its population (the Armenians) also led Karabakh to believe that the same would happen to them... especially after Heydar Aliyev's campaign.
6. He forgets to mention that Azerbaijan destroys medieval Armenian monuments, because there are no medieval Azeri monuments. The government doesn't want its people to know that Armenians were there 1000 years before they arrived as Seljuk Turks. CaspianReports also has its own alternate history.
I have to say I enjoy your channel very much. As an American who has lived in Europe for 11 years and the middle east for over 5 years. I have a wider view of real world geopolitics. Your reports have brought to light issues not heard about if at all in the west. You have broaden my view about the Caspian region and its issues to light. For that I thank you.
I feel like you could have at least *mentioned* the Armenian Genocide, especially as it relates to the changing demographics of the Caucasus during and after WWI due to the huge influx of Armenian refugees.
He is a turk do you expect any truth?
@@Yrkr785 yeah he is. we didnt call ourselves turk during soviet times. but armenains always did. thats so wierd. its their perversion they brougth with them to our lands. racist european ideas
@@Samirustem it's not racist to call yourself your ethnicity. also, what lands are we talking about?
@@meh23p they did not call us Turk because we are, they called so they can capitalize on already established hatred. they brought many racist ideas to Caucasus that European masters were teaching them. Caucasus was never mono ethnic region.
@Farid Suleymanov would you say that about the holocaust? stop crying jews. typical azeri genocide deniers. blame your poor propaganda filled education system
You have to keep in mind that Artsakh is armenian historical land, therefore they have more rights to claim it by default. Actually, none of Azerbaijan is azerbaijani historical land, cause azerbaijani are immigrants in the region, came from Middle Asia. The most of territory of Azerbaijan is historical land of lezgic peoples, which are now minorities and are treated with utmost disrespect and are being forced to assimilation. The lezgian culture is being quietly destroyed, Qusar district (in which the majority of people are lezgins) doesn't even get autonomous status. Lezgian mosques are being closed, ancient Udi village is being renamed, etc. Not to mention awful statements by the government, like the one where they say Armenia shouldn't exist at all, they also claim Derbent and falsify their history, cause their history in the region starts the earliset in 11th century. So yeah, basically Azerbaijan government doesn't have any rights to claim any of the territory after what they do and what they say.
That's what Strabo says.
It’s so sad. You have two nations Armenian and Azerbaijan two beautiful countries different beautiful culture and language. And both of them became victimized because of the Russians and turkey. But what I don’t understand two countries went at war Armenia fought and took lands let’s just say hypothetically speaking it belong to Azerbaijan? OK get over it they took it you lost its their country now..they lost soldiers who fought to take those lands who gives a Fuck what happened 150 years ago or 3000 years ago. Maybe when Turback
By default??What the fuck dude with that sense,Greeks,Assyrians,Romans,Persians and Chinese should partion the world amongthemselves.Absolute pure retardation right there
@@MrFreakman0 Freak, is this just your nickname or is it YOUR PERMANENT CONDITION IN LIFE?!?
@@emrenuriyev9132 Are you not happy with your Central Asia and Mongolia? Do you need Armenian Caucasus too?
I love your work man! This video is super relevant right now
6:10
There's hardly any historical reference that ''most of the international community had recognized Surmali and Yerevan as part of Armenia and Nakhchivan, Zangezur and Karabagh as part of Azerbaijan''.
Moreover: the arbitrary boundaries, shifting borders (more precisely: areas of sovereign jurisdiction of given political entities) and overlapping territorial claims were among the many causes of the reluctance of ''the international community'' to grant de-facto and de-jure recognition to the newly-born Caucasus republics.
Your talking out of you ass....You are so un informed...i...If interested..let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint.(V.Setyan)...... If interested. according to Anthropologist Mitchell S. Rothman regarding the extent of discoveries and specially on the quality of horse bones proved, According to him, that it was from the Shangavit Armenian 6000 years ago that the culture of that area spread around to the ancient world...
..Professor Jensen also says. ‘For almost everything that is known in the Hittite language is Old Armenian in form..Historian Sayce 1845-1933) also consider Hittite and Armenian to be one and the same’. and Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush.
@ why are you spamming?
I really appreciate your content.
The one very important fact the narratot doesnt mention is that in 1605 shah Abbas of Persia had deported up to 300.000 armenians from the territories of modern day Armenia and Azerbaijan that is why in the following two centuries azeris made a significant portion of population in those mentioned three russian governorates ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Великий_сургун
Great stuff as always 🙌
Didn't knew much details about this conflict... Thank you for the video.
In short for now, Armenia (Russian) and Azerbaijan (Turkey) are having a proxy war
A really helpful report thank you for clearing up a lot of questions on how and why this conflict started and continues today
Why can't Shirvan narrate everything I watch from now on? His voice and accent are so soothing! Anyway thanks for the information, it explains a LOT.
For everyone watching this video please not that this channel is based in Azerbaijan and the video is pro-Azerbaijani not independent view. If you're looking for independent videos, check out major news outlets or channels not from Azerbaijan or Armenia.
I didn't get a sense that this video was slanted on either side of the issue. Could you point out things that you think were inaccurate?
Well researched commentary. Thank you
This was very well organized and informative history of the events that have led us to the present situation. It is sad that no matter where you look around the world humans are constantly fighting and bickering and killing each other over power struggles. It seems to be the fate of our species - highly intelligent yet highly self-destructive and also destructive to the natural world as well.
it is sad that people like you getting influenced easily with fake history and very fast become satisfied because it is not matter to you who is the guilty side, please do not stop your research and get your information from sources that gives you the truth and you are educated and influenced correctly , I suggest read the history and do your home work of both countries then you understand NO AZERbaijan existed as country "ever" before Coca Cola and Armenians living in Caucasus for 5000 years ,1/3 of Turkey is western Armenia and now this idiot blogger is after people like you to be influenced and educate them the way they want it and not exact what happened
@@dadyarmo7861 your nation is allways be slaves and will be in futher
@@dadyarmo7861 5000 years sounds pretty fake. sure you have got proof of all that? fake proof ? :))
@@dadyarmo7861 is just a stupid .
I see you are a man of culture ...
I watched this video twice. Despite the criticism from the Armenian users, I did not come across a single factually inaccurate statement... As for the overall tone, I found it to be highly pro-peace...
No it’s very bias, he adds some false info such as demographics of people groups and makes it look like most of Armenia should be azerbajiani and acts like Armenians started it. He doesn’t include when Armenians were there 3,000 years longer and were deported and killed by Turks to become a majority in Armenian land
Efthymios Anagnostos Y’know, it doesn’t matter who lived on that land 200 or 3000 years ago.
Thank you for explaining this with such tact and knowledgeability. I am a descendant of Armenian immigrants from the 1890’s so this conflict is important to me. Also #2020isCrazy
I am from Azerbaijan. What do u think abt this whole thing?
So you just ignore the Armenian genocide?
I studied this conflict a long time ago and was in the second war. This video contains a lot of one-sided information, this video is an attempt to discreetly expose Azerbaijan in a good light. The information is not neutral, but it is very important in the documentary video.
If you look at the "About Channel" tab, you will find that the author is from Azerbaijan
If you look at the "About Channel" tab, you will find that the author is from Azerbaijan
Yea he is biased against Armenia and provided inaccuracies. What makes me the most mad is that he essentially tries to claim almost all of Armenia as part of Azerbaijan even though throughout most of history Artsakh, Navchiivka, Zangezur and large parts of Eastern Anatolia were part of Armenia's homeland. Heck Armenian cities and kingdoms traded with the ancient Egyptians and other bronze age civilizations. There is a reason the mountain ranges are known as the Armenian Highlands by historians and geographers. Sadly until Azeris stop being fascist and expansionist, there probably will never be peace.
This guy is correct
Wow finally someone actually did a video about the South Caucasus good work I am from Abkhazia
You mean everything was Russia's fault?
The USSR established peace in the region, but according to his thesis, it was just a way of governing.
I don't remember mentioning Turkey in this conflict?
The conflict started after Russian Empirer conquered the region. Within Kadjar State dominated in the region before Russian Empirer thete could not be any clashs between the groups. Becouse all cristians were minorities not only in karabagh or zangezur, but also in yerevan khanate (irevan in kadjar papers) and Kadkar State was a muslim shia country reigning by torkish (azerbaijani) tribe
This video is heavy biased and is pro-azerbaijani so just take it as Azerbaijani propaganda, not an independent view. As far as I know the author is Azerbaijani.
It just shows that in 19 and 20th centuries a few massacres and a genocide can really change demographics. Nakhichevan sounds Armenian but we cannot find any cultural traces there anymore: monasteries, cemeteries and steles have disappeared and this happened in 21st century.
Same thing about Zangezur and Karabakh (which sound very Azeri), but done by Armenia.
@@SamirAvtotune Karabagh word is more Iranian than Turk and it was nicknamed given by Russians. And Artsakh is much older than these words ;) 90s conflict shows following displaced people stats: 850k Azeris and 400k Armenians, I call it even provided the relative numbers of the total populations.
Thanks for the intel! There’s no long form information on this besides your channel. Great stuff dude.
Yes.....If interested..let me quote Merrick (2012) All religions are descended from and ancient Vedic cosmology described in the Rib - Veda, originating in Armenia near Mt. Ararat at least 6800 ys ago and the basic concepts of a transcendental mountain extending into space and populated planet Star-gods were developed...he further says...This Astrotheology then migrated with Armenian Aryans to found the Sumerian Ethiopian/Egyptian and Indian civilizations and religions...from Language as a fingerprint.(V.Setyan)...... If interested. according to Anthropologist Mitchell S. Rothman regarding the extent of discoveries and specially on the quality of horse bones proved, According to him, that it was from the Shangavit Armenian 6000 years ago that the culture of that area spread around to the ancient world...
..Professor Jensen also says. ‘For almost everything that is known in the Hittite language is Old Armenian in form..Historian Sayce 1845-1933) also consider Hittite and Armenian to be one and the same’. and Rothman, quoted earlier, said...''All that was known in Mesopotamia came from Armenia and that Armenia is the absent fragment in the entire mosaic of the ancient world's civilization's construction. what some historians say...H.V. Hilprecht(1859-1925) a Clark research professor of Assyriology and scientific director Babylonian expedition at the University of Penn. argue that the Hittite tongue is Armenian and the Hittites themselves were of Armenian stock...according to Ellis (1861) through language analysis we observe that under the names of Phrygians, Thracians,Pelasgians and Etruscans spread westward from Armenia to Italy and Elis claimed that the closest affinities of the Aryan element are the Armenians ..other historians that agree are..Hellenthal, Busgy, Brand, Wilson, Myers and Falush.
You are Azeri right?
Nice summary. I had a vague idea what this war was about, but this has many details I didn't know.
Just so you know there is a lot of misinformation in this video but ig it doesnt matter since Azerbaijan has successfully cleansed Artsakh and Navchiivka of all Armenians. The only question now is whether or not they will colonize the rest of Armenia's homeland without the international community doing anything about it.
I love your work, this is something that I was completely unaware of until watching your content.
today is 2020, but the conflict is still going on ...
@Min Tin in this case it's ww1 that continues
Dude, your videos are very sensitive and informative, I find them apart from other channels. Could I request you to post a video about current situation in Syia in extreme details ? I know you have done a video on situation in Syria, but would you please make a video again, but this time detailing the roles of the following :
1. Syrian Government forces
2. Free Syrian Army
3. Forces of Conquest
4. ISIS
5. International Coalition
I think it is important to note that Shirvan is from Azerbaijan. Not trying to discredit the video or anything as I don't know much about the conflict itself. Just thought it'd be worthy to point out that there is a possibility of a bias.
There is many false and fake information
Я хочу, чтобы не было войн во всем мире. В каждой стране веками шли войны, и теперь они живут в мире и спокойствии. Я верю, что Армения и Азербайджан, как и прежде, будут жить на Кавказе в мире и согласии. если мы этого не увидим, это увидят будущие поколения. Мир миру и Южному Кавказу .....
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Which country has husband and wife as president and vice president?
Which country is runed by the the same family since its creation?
Which country teaches hate in its schools?
Which country oppresses human rights and freedom of speech?
What role has oil played in the creation of this country called Azerbaijan?
If you are in the right and just, what are you afraid of?
An Armenian can and does speak freely in Armenia about anything and anyone, this is a fact.
What is your opinion on killing of Armenians by turks, In Western Armenia?
Who is your enemy, Armenians or tha alievs?
Give an update on what’s doing on now please.
Cyber Destroyer as I see it doth sides are in the wrong, and have been so as far back recorded history goes.
Well, I won't tell you whether Azerbaijan or Armenia is right.
Fortunately, Azerbaijan army has liberated several villages, peaks and cities ( you can see names on twitter of President of Azerbaijan). On the other hand, Armenia has a great deficit of soldiers as they declared mobilization for the second time. Azerbaijan President, Ilham Aliyev, is giving interviews to several channels w/high motivation and evidence to Armenian fake news. In addition, Pashinyan calls Putin every day for seeking help, solving this issue w/ another armistice and eliminating loss of army.
US, France and Russian presidents are worried about risks of this conflict internationally and demand ceasefire and peace for the region immediately. However, Ilham Aliyev already sent an ultimatum to Pashinyan w/ mentioning: "Azerbaijan will agree on peace only if Armenians leave Karabakh region in one-shot".
If you are interested in conflict, I'd recommend to you to look up official resources, such as
mod.gov.az/en/news-791/
P.s All info provided is in English.
Thank you!
@@aidanibrahimli5466 You "wont tell him whether azerbaijan or Armenia is right," and then you continue to give the most biased answer you could have possibly come up with. Armenia has occupied that land for centuries. Literally centuries. There are 200+ cemeteries in Artsakh (Kharabakh) and 97% of the graves bear Armenian names. The land is entirely governed by Armenians and has Armenian churches still standing from the FOURTH CENTURY. Now after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Stalin granted that territory to Azerbaijan. Imagine living in an area for many centuries, and a country with the history less than a toilet plunger (not even exaggerating) is trying to "liberate" locations that were never even theirs.
@@mwtrolle I hope what I commented gives you more insight to make an educated decision.
@@sevakohanian7335 I was hoping CaspianReport would make a new video about what is going on right, the history part I know, though it's really muddy, as so many bad things from both sides in so long time..
This was an excellent and balanced laying out of the complexities between the two. It would be interesting to do a deeper dive on the impact of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians which overlapped with the period of the fall of the Russian Empire.
The fall of the Ottoman Empire itself also plays a role especially after the Russian-Ottoman war in 1978...
But apart from that, coming to the genocide against the Armenians, I always observe Armenians who want to justify the murder of Azerbaijani civilians by pointing out to the genocide in 1915.
I am aware of war crimes against Armenians committed by Azeris for sure, but saying that the genocide in 1915 justified massacres against the Azeris will certainly not be beneficial.
You may be aware of other parallels between 1915 and this conflict as well, i.e. ottoman armenians taking advantage of the chaos, allying with russians in exchange for a promise of land, and attacking and trying to ethnically cleanse ethnic turks from border regions. Then the ottomans pushed back, russians abandonded armenians, and the heavy-handed response measures forced by the dire situation in ottoman empire itself which was on the brink of collapse led to what armenians are presenting as a deliberate genocide. The did the same thing in the 1990s in Azerbaijan, with greater success, and now are trying to present themselves as victims and under threat of genocide from Azerbaijan. In fact, even during ww1 they massacred Azerbaijanis in Baku, Shemakha and other cities, but they only like to talk about response massacres months later when the ottomans entered Caucasus. The lesson seems to be clear - don’t do onto others what you don’t want to happen to yourself, but they will not learn.
@@JN-wr9heyes just ignore the Azeri pogroms of Armenians that happened first lol
@@stanchpandora3658 no, armenians started first every time, they had an agenda - they were even in fact the ones who first led the russians into caucasus just to advance their case, read about it
@@JN-wr9he I did, and almost every source debunks your claims. The first massacures were orchestrated by Azeris and then Armenians did some in revenge.
Thank you, very informative
I want to thank the author of this video. It's high time that Armenia and Azerbaijan stop killing each other and make the deal. Armenia has to give back to Azerbaijan at least those Provinces that were clearly Azerbaijani, and at the same time Azerbaijan must give warranties about the life and the properties of the remaining Armenian population. It is a a very difficult effort but aby life we can save it is worth of it. Both countries have a lot to earn rather than killing each other. I hope that the brave and inspired souls will prevail the blind rude nationalists.
I have the original Russian survey of 1823 (Opisanie Karabagskoi provintsii sostavlennoe v 1823 goda, Tiflis, 1866). The Muslim population (the survey refers to the future Azeris as Tatars), Tatars, Kurds and various nomads--formed 73% of the population, the Armenians 27%. However, in the five mahals, which later formed Nagorno-Karabakh-- Varanda, Dizak, Talysh [Gulistan], Khachen, Jraberd (Chelaberd)--the Armenians formed 96.67% of the population. In addition in the Sisian and Kiupara mahals in the Zangezur region, the Armenians formed 86.32%. Even if we add the 240 families of nomads who roamed south of the Aras (Arax) River, the Armenians still formed 70% of those two mahals.
As to the Elisavetpol province; the 1897 official Russian census (N. A. Troinitskii ed, fasc., VII, St. Petersburg, 1905),p. 6. the Muslims are 60.8%, Armenians 33.26%. the rest Russians and others. The population figures for 1908--the last census before the fall of the Russian Empire, Pamiatnaia knizhka Elisavetpolskoi provintsii, Elisavetpol, 1910), has Tatars (all Muslims), 62.2%, Armenians 35%, others (Russian, Germans, Poles etc. 2.8%). The Tatars and Armenians split the city of Elisavetpol--Ganja--into separate quarters-- with the Tatars 45.49% and Armenians 43.47%.
Get your facts straight
Very informative, thank you for this.
Good report which helps explain the new conflict in 2020.
This is biased report, author is from Azerbejdžan, so you need to look at both sides of story.
@@mladendjukic1061if u look objectively, we are in the right (Azerbaijan)
My (American) ocean-swimming group consists of: one guy from Azerbaijan, one guy from Iran, two people from Israel, two Germans, one Russian and five Americans (all different origins). We are all BEST FRIENDS. Why the F___ can't these people get along?
Bc they want Armenian land. It's just that simple
You failed to mention the Armenian history part. You failed to mention how Armenians from Artsakh, Yerevan, and Nakhichevan were deported so many times by the Iranians where they became a minority in the early 1800s (read how shah abbas deported Armenians from Nakhichevan and new julfa). You failed to mentioned how Azerbaijan tried to make Armenians a minority in Artsakh curing WWII where 1 in 3 Armenian men from Artsakh went to war, meanwhile 1 in 19 Azerbaijani men went to war. The list goes on, such as how Armenians, through centuries of discrimination and oppression becamse so sparsely populated in their native lands, you failed to mention why the Armenian communities were so far away from each other and weren't connected (done intentionally btw). And don't get me started over the genocides committed against the native christians in anatolia ever since the turkic people came (against georgians, assyrians, pontic greeks, and armenians).
You either missed out on all of these important information on purpose or you should do more research on it. Because the whole truth is not being told, sure nothing in the video was a lie, and it was mostly very well made so props for that, but if you want to sound unbiased, you have to tell the whole story.
Bravo
Speaking as a Muslim ...., you are totally right ! The persecution and murder of Armenian peoples has always been under told . Even where my family originate from Kashmir we had Armenian traders and some settled there .
@@kishmish64 Yes, thank you for that. I was very recently reading about Armenia & east India trade. Armenians became very rich Trading in south Asia without oppressing the native people unlike others.
We have had a close contact for centuries.
Armenians built the first churches in India and became advisors to the shah
Also fun fact, many Indian queens were of Armenian decent, including mumtaz maha (after which Taj Mahal was built on behalf), her father was a Persian Armenian.
Actually another fun fact which relates directly to my original comment. The only reason why they were Armenians from Persia (mumtaz mahal and her dad) was because of deportation by Persians. They wanted Armenians in their lands because at that time we had several trade routes and trade deals with Europe and Asia.
For more info between Armenia & Indian subcontinent. You can check this article here: allinnet.info/world/armenians-in-the-unique-culture-of-india/
Great video! Thanks for preparing it!
Interestingly the author of this piece starts from the Treaty of Gulistan 1813. If I start Iran's history from 1979 and ignore The Medes, Sassanides, Achamenids. What would you think? Or I start about US history and choose 1776 and Ignore the pilgrims and the Mayflower or Christopher Columbus regarding the indigenous people in America? You get my drift? You can't cut off history arbitrarily and start off from 1813 from Karabakh point of view. Karabak had khamsa Meliks the Armenian principality if you go back from 1813 and if you start further in the Middle Ages Karabak Armenians had Khachen's Principality starting from 1281 and even further last century BC Karabag was 10th province of Kingdom of Armenia. Have you read, Herotodus, Strabo the ancient historians or looked at maps? Or your wealthy Patreon patrons won’t pay, if you do a thorough research and write about history instead of starting history from 1813? I won't be donating a dime to this garbage.
I'm a simple person. I see a new CaspianReport-video. I press Like.
btw: #freekarabakh #istandwithazerbaijan
Why would either of that happen? Have you read the Updated Madrid principles? There is like no chance that can happen.
+Crocuta IV and ever wonderd why the people in Karabakh now are full of armenians? Do you know there are about one million Azerbaijani refugees after the war in the 90's? Armenians never were the majority in Karabakh until after the war.
Crocuta IV the Azerbaijani refugees have every right to return to their homelands. You say armenians weren't treated fairly or mercifully but the Azerbaijanis were not either. So you can't really expect to get "respect" when you never showed or show it back. Armenians can't even take proper care of Karabakh besides for some cities. It's full of ghost towns now, with 18-year-old armenian boys forced to be a soldier and protect the illegal occupied lands. It's sad actually.
I don't think this situation is compareable with Poland. As russia also loves to mind their buisiness in his conflict too. Look at what the Russians have done to North-Caucasus and Georgia. Invading and occupying.
They love it when ex soviet countries fight eachother and become weak. Too bad armenia and Azerbaijan fell into this dirty game.
Those refugees are in their homelands. Azerbaijan is their homeland. Artsakh is Armenian homeland, as it was since the Time of Rome.
I put my life on the line that this guy is Azerbaijani lol what a load of billshit that was
What was wrong with it? [I'm clueless btw]
He is, admitted it in a previous video
Yup Azerbaijanis are just an other sub group of Turks and are in no way related to any indo Europeans in the Caucasus which included Pontic Greeks Assyrians Kurds Alani Armenians Georgians and Persians, Azerbaijanis are just Turks of a different kind, so many different it’s impossible to tell which is which, weather it be Kazakhs Uzbeks Turkomens Turks Azerbaijanis and Cossacks but none of them are in anyway remotely indo Europeans or even related to any Caucasus groups. So this video is just a complete bunch of bullshit
Thank you
Fake fake fake 😂😂
05:45 Why is the historic Georgian area in today's Azerbaijan called Saingilo not visible on this map? Saingilo belonged to Georgia at the time, but then unfortunately Azerbaijani communists took it away from us.
Remember he’s azerbaijani but i don’t think he’s biased
he is very objective on issues, some news media can learn a thing or two from him.
He mentions Khojar which affected Azeris but does not mention Sumgait pogrom or the many other pogroms which affected Armenians. He does this cheap "both sides" talk, but goes on to describe Azeris as being "massacred" while Armenians were just "looted." Mention of Russian interference but no Turkish interference. Not enough stress on the significance of oil. The first oil wells were in Baku, but he says they kinda just show up in the last few decades. This is heavily pro-Azeri propaganda and he never reveals his identity so unfortunately a lay listener won't be forewarned. Also no mention of Armenian genocide. No mention of Azeri leader's mafia connections or Erdogan's party's (AKP) ambitions in thr region. This is overwhelmingly one-sided dressed up as fairness.
Benton Graves thank you for replying i did not know any of this.
@@bentongraves2165 Yep, I have to admit that his report is somewhat biased. I remember the events in Sumgait, and what a savage massacre of Armenians it was.
Karl no problem, if you're interested in the general Azeri attitude towards Armenians look up Ramil Safarov and how the Azeri people celebrated him. Of course it is a generalization. Full disclosure, I am pro-Armenian based on the available evidence. There are a lot of people online rallying to their sides right now. Beware misinfo and the nature of the conflict as a proxy between different NATO countries (Turkey v France) and regional powers (Iran v Turkey) and historical hegemons (Turkey v Russia). Armenia has a history of denying some of the Azeri claims that I am slowly becoming aware of as I continue weighing the evidence but some Azeri claims of genocide are devoid of evidence. Primary sources!
Excellent video thanks!
This is how journalism should be. And history lessons.
They should be biased?
@@georgeqwerty382 How is this biased? He is presenting so many facts and not using emotive subjective language.
What he tells is nothing else than the well known Azeri fairy tail about the conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh region. Which is biased AF. And the absence of "emotional subjective language" doesn't prove the opposite.
@@georgeqwerty382 He is posting the available information such as the census information that is available. He even states in a way that it is confusing because of the overlap in regional designations. What else can he go by?
@@somethingnotmaterial The information that is aviable to him is his country's propaganda.
My ansestors have been in Shushi since 1500, and so did many other Armenians. It was not only a cultural area for Azerbaijan, but for many centuries for Armenians aswell. Many Armenian churches still stand there dating back hundreds of years.
Cyonux I
Your ancestors that lived in Shushi were Caucasian Albanians. In 860 when Arab Khalifate suspended Caucasian Albanian Church, Armenians stepped forward and convinced the Arabs to handover all christian Albanian churches to the Armenian Church. This way they were Armenised due to the same religious belief. Those Armenians that exists in Garabag came to the region after 1828 when the Russian empire massively migrated Armenians from Iran based on the Turkmencay Agreement 1828. Griboedov also wrote about this mass migration. There was also a monument which was destroyed by Armenians to loss any trace of it. It is called Maragah 1978 and it was in Hadrut.
@@Elshadcan who are you to tell who is whom's ancestor? As a matter of fact, you have appropriated yourself the Caucasian Albanians, to shamelessly claim they were Azerbaijan's ancestors, yet you have absolutely no link with them. Caucasian Albanians' alphabet was established by the inventor of the Armenian alphabet, Mesrop Mashtots. The Caucasian Albanians were Christianized by Armenians and their Church linked to ours. But the frontiers of Caucasian Albania never incorporate Artsakh. Before the country known today as Azerbaijan and its people "Azeris", you were known as Caucasian Tatars...the leftovers of the Mongols and Timurids... the name Azerbaijan is itself derived from Persia's ancient Atropatene. You did not even have a State until 1918.
As for the coming back of Armenians to Artsakh in the 1820s, Armenians were not new to the region, it was not their first time they came there. It was a coming back to the homeland, after 2 centuries of Persian-Safavid-Qajar policies of deportation of Armenians from Artsakh, Syunik and Nakhichevan.
@@Arshahan Great points thanks for setting the record straight. This is the type of things people should be pointing out so everyone can understand. I just had a comment argument with the same guy elshadcan. he seemed articulate and knowledgeable at first until he threw names and insults and stopped replying
@@Arshahan It's irrelevant international law makes clear what Armenia has done to the Nagorno-Karabakh region is illegal, no amount of mythology or past ancient history will erase the fact that Armenia illegally seized land in violation of the geneva conventions.
Sumgait massacres of Armenians before Khojalu which was staged by Aliyev before his coup? Very one sided.
Exactly Sumgait and Baku Pogroms so conveniently left out!
Sumqayit and baku pogroms happened after excile of azerbaijanies from all of armenia. The court investigation showed that the pogroms were organised and commited by KGB
At 2:48 author states that demographic survey in 1823 reviled that there was 91% Azerbaijani, 9% Armenian, when, in fact, it was other way around (source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh#cite_note-Tbilisi_1866-51). What are authors relationships with truth?
"The earliest concrete numbers about the population of the whole of Karabakh is from the census of 1823 concerning the abolition of the Karabakh Khanate [karabakh] . In the territory of the former Armenian principalities[nogorno-karabakh] , 90.8% of villages were recorded as being Armenian, while 9.2% were recorded as Tatar or Kurd.[53][54] The population of the former Armenian principalities [nogorno-karabakh] accounted for approximately 8.4% of the population of the whole of Karabakh[karabakh] "
If you look this way, armenians were 90% in their majority region nogorno-karabakh and 8% in whole karabakh.
19:58 ''by ones allies, you shall know them''
the fact that the azeri regime is closely allied to (arguably) the 2 lowest of the lowest, is quite telling.
israel for obvious reasons, and the turkish or their interference in both iraq, syria and apparently to a much larger extent than one would like to admit, also azerbaijan.
for this reason the israeli regime has not officially/unofficially recognized the armenian genocide and is maintaining (much like their nuclear weapons) a 'not recognize nor deny' position, and yet dare to propagandize the ww2 deaths for all their despicable actions to this very day...
Bad day?
I’m sorry when did Azerbaijan ever have an independent kingdom ever. As far as I’m concerned before 1918 no azeri state ever existed. Get your shit right sir
Sofia T they were independent for a year and a half before getting into USSR. But 1991 would be the first time Azerbaijan existed as an internationally recognized state. Never had a kingdom, never had a republic or anything representing a state. And then there’s the Armenian Urartu
Who profited the most from this? The one supplying weapon. Follow the money to find the real culprit.
this is not that simple man.
Israel
@@SacVideo well, israel and turkey on the azerbajiani side and russia on the armenian side.
@@kristofferhaugstad7616 Do your research, Russia sell arms to both countries. Azerbaijan has ten times more military, half the brain capacity and one eighth the balls.
Placing blame squarely on Russia is reductive and opportunistic.
Well, I'm convinced!
@Osman Oglu True is what Washington wants there, while using those local countries, not what you want to see, but being biased is mainly being Turk, so you may be right in your own little way...
@Osman Oglu When you learn to read without help, I talk to you further. But this would be too much for me to ask from you, sorry, keep sleeping. You may snore too!
The TH-cam comment section is not the best place for lists as long an extensive as the one I could compose highlighting your bias driven selectivity concerning the events you chose to touch on in this video. Azerbaijani woes and Armenian injustices abound, likewise Russia and other neighboring empires were mentioned frequently, mostly concerning how Azerbaijan was either negatively affected or how Armenia was supposedly aided throughout the ages by these neighbors. That said had I not already been blatantly aware of the nature of your biases via all of your previously viewed content I would find it curious that the Armenian genocide perpetrated by The Young Turks was amongst the events you neglected to
mention given how important it was in shaping the current political climate and environment of the region however
er knowing your agenda I am not surprised by that one but everyone has an agenda of some sort and everyone has biases. Objective impartiality is actually a myth,
The Young Turk and Armenian Genocide had nothing to do with Azerbaijan and Azeri people. Ask Turkish government about that. Just because Turkish elite massacred Ottoman Armenian doesn't mean Armenia entitled "compensation" from Azeri people. Shirvan was right to not mention Armenian Genocide because frankly it was irrelevant
@@littlechemie5425 yeah whatever you say
@@girthbrooks39 Yeah, because what I say is the norm of international laws
@@littlechemie5425 lol "the norm of international laws"
You are Azeri yet present this unbiased? Impressed.
very heavy biases he failed to mention key things he only mentioned stuff that made Azerbaijan look like the victim and armenia the occupier