The Xerox Thieves: Steve Jobs & Bill Gates
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There are TH-cam videos showing that Apple Lisa was not a copy paste product of Xerox , but a massive and evolionary leap . Steve Jobs saw xerox product and told his team to make the new OS and tools . He called upon Bill gates for Word processor . On the other hand Microsoft was a copy paste product of Mac OS .
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Poor management always kills great companies.
That could've been the downfall of apple had steve not come back.
Yeah
yep, it's also true at the Country scale 🙄
It's so true.
COMPLACENT mamagement always kills any company.
Steve Jobs mentioned in his biography how Xerox was sitting on a gold mine, if they used it right they would be larger than apple Google and Microsoft combined today.
Interesting. On one hand while it might've been interesting to see Xerox do well, if they did use it properly, they could have monopolized the market and we wouldn't have seen computers as diverse and widespread as it is today
Exactly they were too blind to what they had, they could not see the potential of their products:
1. GUI made computing faster, easier and more reliable by at least a factor of 100x
2. Networking made it easier and faster to share information!
3. Need I even mention OOP the grandfather of modern programing languages like C++ & Python?
They essentially created the modern internet nearly 2 decades earlier than the US Military imagine what the world would be like today? It boggles the mind!
@@DarthAwar and it was ruined because people are blinded by profit
@@DarthAwar no, Al Gore invented the internet! Climate changevis real and will make Gore billions once we take responsibility!
Jobs never wrote a biography
This shows two things:
1. It’s not only about an idea, but how to execute it.
2. How pathetic management can make a company (Xerox) completely irrelevant
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It's happening to Microsoft now lol
It's happening to Microsoft now lol
@@williamhendrix2053 Microsoft irrelevant now? You're crazy. Since Ballmer left, this is a different Microsoft
@@MagnusAnand 1. or how to sell the idea (marketing)
That was the weirdest transition into an ad I’ve ever seen.
I know, I was like, what just happened?
I think you are new here, this happens everytime 😂
TIME TRAVEL, DUDE!
I didn't realize how true this statement was until I experienced it myself.
@@avinier325 😂😂😂
Having worked at Xerox for three years, I’m really not surprised they sabotaged their own potential success.
I worked for Xerox in Dublin, Ireland for over six years. I enjoyed my time there but again there was a lot of potential innovation that was stifled. I worked in tech support and a five part training programme had been designed that would have made their support people industry leaders and a lot of us were looking forward to the training. In the end, the training costs were deemed too high and the programme was axed. It would have been a case of spend the money now and reap much bigger rewards later on but it was scrapped anyway.
In relation to the GUI, I remember talking with some people from the IT department where I now work in local government. They were complaining that computers are too simple nowadays and reckoned typing in commands to do even the simplest thing should never have been done away with as it would mean that only people properly au fait with computing would use them. Basically, it was tech snobbery on display. I asked them to imagine two computers were offered for sale and both could do exactly the same things. However, one would only do them by commands being typed in while the other machine used icons that a user could point a mouse at and click once to achieve the same thing. I asked them which one did they think would sell more - the lack of response said everything.
I joined Xerox in 1985, after graduating from Syracuse with a BS in accounting - worked for 4 yrs, doing the management accounting for the Palo Alto Research Center (aka PARC) and the Leesburg VA management development campus, whilst based in both their Rochester NY Xerox Tower location and the Xerox HQ, located on long ridge road in Stamford CT. I recall using homegrown spreadsheet software on a desktop STAR workstation - it had a GUI interface with an optical mouse, networked initially on token-ring, then with ethernet networking - it was so friggen cool to work up a spreadsheet and then print it, in color, to a network-connected multi-purpose printer/copier/fax device! This was how Xerox tested their technologies - by piloting them on their internal workforce
Xerox innovators needs to be honored.
They were. Bill Gates employed them, so they got in early at Microsoft and are probably some of the world's wealthiest now.
You Mean PARC?
They're already honored everytime you use your new Mac OS or Windows.
Yeah
False
My Father was a Computer Department manager. He visited Xerox with a group of similar people in his company. This was before Apple & Microsoft & IBM’s PC based computers really took off. He was stunned by the future of the GUI. I had no idea what he was talking about at the time but I do remember him saying how much he felt it was going to change things. I could not understand his enthusiasm for the GUI He passed away about 20 years ago but his predictions about the future were spot on. He said that the computer would be capable of doing things we could never imagine . He was so right. He was no real genius just a very smart guy who could see what was possible with the gui & a good communications infrastructure.I took me years to understand why he was so excited about that visit.
I was born in 1975, so I grew up around the tech explosion of computers in the 80's and 90's. What many people don't understand is that, prior to the GUI, computers were only used by techies at special careers where complex computer calculations were required. And using a computer was a matter of writing a code at a prompt. Something only a techie could do, with formal computer training or, at least, a 'nerdy' tech interest to be self-taught. The GUI meant that ANYONE could use a computer. You didn't need to know codes to type in to serve specific functions. Jobs and Gates realized the potential for computers to be everywhere in every day lives of people...whether in business or personal. Whether for business or personal...computers simply needed a GUI in order for ordinary people to use them without specialized training and experience!
Xerox was like most companies, run by a pack of self satisfied fatcats that had no reason to take a risk. They couldn't understand anything about PARC or computers, so they just threw it away.
Oh they risk these days, but on your retirements. Hell they gamble with your money all day long.
If I hear a name with "gold" in it, all questions are answered, before I can ask them.
It didn't have a lead programmer like Bill Gates or a visionary like Steve Jobs. It was inevitable these two alphas took a huge chunk of the Alto meat and got their companies million dollar fortunes.
Just like Blockbuster, Sears, Kmart. Run by a bunch of idiots. Netflix's came knocking at Blockbusters door to be joint partners and was laughed away. All these companies having the means and funds for new Innovation and just dont use it. That's what makes companies like Amazon so successful because they dont just stuff the money under the mattress.
Wilson in Xerox case you have the wrong bigotry. Ursala Burns is incompetent black woman and Ann Mulchey was an incompetent white woman. All CEO and upper management regardless of identity were overpaid and incompetent
I remember talking to one of the old timers of Xerox 20 years back and asked about PARC. His words "if you think the PC was amazing, that was only the tip of the iceberg" . Lord knows what else Xerox lost after the company fell.
Worked at Xerox PARC for a few years in internal tech support, even got to see the Alto, the first personal computer. Xerox PARC certainly created the first GUI, and Xerox management didn‘t recognize researcher efforts, but the GUI’s that I saw were not fit for business use. They were made by engineers who assumed everyone wanted complexity, not usability. Mice, for example, had *three* buttons, and they were not used as they are today. You had to *memorize* different combinations of buttons for *each* application, rather than the “left button = point” “right button = menu” interface we have today. We also had context-sensitive soft keys, which, again, required hefty amounts of memorization of knowing what context you had to set up to make a certain command appear. GUIs had a long way to go. Xerox PARC created the concept of the GUI, but Jobs made the GUI *usable*.
My uncle (RIP 2003) was part of the original PARC group. They were more than computer scientists. They didn’t create the mouse (that was Douglas Englebart and his team at SRI). And you are oversimplifying Xerox management’s attitude toward their work. (They did commercialize products based on the Alto, the Star.) For those really interested in the details, there’s a great book about it by Hiktzik.
OG business casual returns :)
TierZoo it's pretty cool to see you here. I love your channel and this one
It's good to be back! :3
glad you're back :)
Glad to see him back, he fits this channel perfectly! So casual, you know?
I binge listen to both your channels lol
Fun fact - the GUI was originally known as "The WIMP Environment", where WIMP was an acronym for Windows, Icons, Menus & Pull downs!
Stop telling me the obvious 'WIMP' (see what I did there?)
Maybe that was the inspiration for the name Windows
@@Coryiodine no it was going to be interface manager but the marketing department said to name it windows
Liar!
the "steal" word gets thrown around too casually in the tech industry, you can't even look at someones direction without someone calling you a thief
it's like inventing the car and the the dude who invented the wheel calling you a thief
Albert Einstein used to say that " a great vision is better than a thousand hours of hard work & perspiration. "
Nike - just do it
he was right
No he didn't. You made that up.
He used to say that but in fact He was excellent in Copy/Paste of others work ! 😀🤣
First I doubt the authenticity of that quote, since Einstein put a lot time into his theories. Second, you miss the whole point. Lots of time went into Xerox's team's idea of a GUI, including Psychology, and this idea required thousands of combined hours of "hard work and perspiration" to become workable enough to appeal to the public.
so glad to have your voice back. it has a charm to it that makes every video much more enjoyable. please never leave again
The Xerox computers looked awesome. To have a screen the same size as an A4 sheet is genius!
"Thieves" is an insult, Steve bought the rights to tech that Xerox had basically shelved.
It's like when you buy some old comic books for a few bucks at a flea market and they turn out to be rare first editions worth thousands. That doesn't mean you are a thieve.
You have to wonder why they'd shelve such data!
Years ago I was reading up on specifically the MICROCHIP... after 250 pages of reading, I stopped... the 10's of thousands of different process'/manufacturing etc. to produce a single Microchip was mind-boggling... made me wonder... who conceptualized all theses process' coming together in fruition.... apparently it's a toss up between 4 different sets of people.... hhhhhmmmm.... I think, something else is going on, and isn't being discussed... Like, why would XEROX shelve such information, waiting for the new young breed to come in and take it from there.... hhhmmmmm.... doesn't add up MIKE!
Something else seems to be going on COVERT, that isn't discussed in the Media, or at the scholastic either...
What do you think Mike? Have you done any research? Does it make sense to you?
You're taught in school you evolved from Apes with an accidental chromosome fusion at 2/3... and the people were going around in horse and carriages not to long ago... Then, magically someone(s) figured out how to put together 10, 000's of manufacturing process' to produce a MICROCHIP? Just the MICROCHIP, Mike.
There's not ONE source for the MICROCHIP.... don't you find that ODD? Just a bunch of people(s) claiming they were the first....
Wernher Von Braun was asked why the Germans were so advanced technology-wise... and he stated, "WE WERE HELPED"! Or, so claimed!
I've got a degree from University, and am older... and no longer believe much of what I was taught in school... The evidence empericially, and through life experience has taught me something else is going on MIKE (and like a game-show isn't being discussed)!
Sad Truth is Mike, everybody in the game LIES till they DIE, or disappear (must be a hanging going on - eh)!
ARE YOU A FAKE AS WELL?
My reasoning is that the problem with the PATENT process with the MICROCHIP is that none of them were the creators of it... hence, none of them get to claim it! Do you understand.... It's like Conor McGregor's/UFC's M-- A-&SON -- i -c game(s)!
Did he? I didn't see the him paying Xerox part
@@HUNKragor the share
I wouldn't call them thieves,
Xeros executives just failed to see the future,
while Jobs and Gates saw what Graphical User Interfaces could do for the Personal Computing industry.
It's not stealing, it's call observing and having a vision
thanks for bringing your voice back
Cooper Miller Good.
" Good artists copy
Great artists steal "
and the greatest of all go full chinese !
@@dvsh4756 hahahaha😂😂😂😂
Same with comedians
Yep..Wonder which all paintings of Picasso are real and what all techniques are his own, for him to say that
Deepa Singhal then there are greater artists than the great that steal from them 😒😒
Credit is very important in something so massive and influential. Jobs, and especially Gates flipped the idea into something else with a brand. But they are not the inventors and creators. And that is important for everyone to know.
2:55 - Re: Zero was airing a lot earlier than I thought...
cute cat girls* 4 ever
I'm tryna subscribe to the GrandlineReview, which will result in me having regular One Piece content uploaded straight to my TH-cam feed.
@@enamseptember1417 Do it! I believe in you!
Great video Business Casual! I have really seen that the quality of the videos that you have made has really been getting good. This video really taught me what happened with Xerox and Apple which is quite interesting.
Like the old style back!
GameworldCEO Same
Fantastic video, not only on the info side, but damn, these old photos look amazing with the parallax effect that you applied. Top notch!
That was a great video and very interesting, also that transition into blue apron at the end was phenomenal
Make a video about Dupont, a company that changed the world with the invention of Kevlar, Nylon, Lucite, Neoprene, Teflon and Lycra
And killed an Olympic Wrestler.
Mateus Escobar dupont did not invented it ...nazi german did...
Like the apollo moon landing and rokets...
Wake up people We live on Nazi and military tech...
Mateus Escobar You left out all the poisons they “invented” and all the lives said poisons have destroyed. You dolt!
@@nebaicita It's not Nazi-Technology. It's Deutsche Technologie.
A Technology which was invented under Labour-Party Government in the UK is not Labour-Technology but British Technology. Also we don't say Labour Britain did invent a technology but Britain did. Same goes for Deutschland.
nebaicita after wwii, the US took most of the German scientists.
If you like this story you should watch pirates of the silicon valley!
My thoughts exactly! It was a great film about the Apple/Microsoft rivalry.
Wow!!Business Casual dude is good!!He presents an interesting story then vertically integrates a product he's selling.
Hey, BC! November 22, 2019
I just found you and I really like your format, content and presenting style! I'll definitely be surfing your site. Just wanted to say hello and thank you for now!
YES! Thank you so much for bringing back the old voice!
Back again with the smooth ad transitions i love it
The best documentary on Mac and Windows I've ever seen! A lot of people out there don't know the correct history.
I remember in 1977, and, 1978 the Savin Company, ran the ad " We've seen the future,, and it works!" Who remembers this? I do.Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this. I always get looked at weird whenever I tell ppl that Xerox initially invented the computer user interface
Your video editing getting better and better.... Love it
I read this story about Xerox some 20 years back ! But then Steve & Bill had the ingenuity to make it such a fantastic saleable product without which computer software wont have come to the stage where it is today !
I had the priviledge of seeing a Xerox Alto computer boot up on a visit to Xerox. It was really cool to see.
It's not stealing if somebody isn't using it and throw it in the trash. That's what Xerox did with the computer GUI.
Xerox didn't give a shit about what they had. *shrug*
fingerdog Crappy analogy...stealing an idea is kinda different from stealing a physical object, especially since Jobs compensated Xerox
FingerDawg it says right in the video that apple compensated xerox
It's more like, you buy some antique chair from someone who don't know it's true value for 10 bucks, and then auction it for a million.
I see your point. But....If you bought a Picasso at a garage sale from an ignoramus, would you share the profit when you found it was a Picasso?
Oh, I didn't know he compensated Xerox.
WHY IS THE ANIMATION SOO GOOD AND CRISP. I LOVE JUST LOOKING AT IT
RobustFilms1 this is some magic shit! How the hell did he make it?
He learnt on Skillshare, the first 500 people to use my code get a free month!
The fact that he animated it in 60fps also helps make it look more smooth.
After Effects
u high? me 2
Loved this video, your visual style is amazing! 👏🏼
Awesome video bro. You got my subscription. Didn't even know this side of history until I watched this
The transition to the sponsorship made me laugh :)
Ahhh, it's nice to hear your soothing voice once again!
Thank you for sharing this with us. I found it very interesting.
1:12 Love the cigarette smoke in the still picture!
The production quality in this vid is simply stunning!
The after effects on old photos you did was incredible
The way you segwayed into that Blue Apron Ad was FLAWLESS
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you returned :D
The people have spoken ;)
Business Casual Im so glad that you are doing the voiceover again! I wasnt sure if i was going to be subscribed with the other voice-over! Thank you!!!
Thanks for returning!
Voidtex its Crypto.
who is crypto?
Even though the video is very well made professionally, I think calling this stealing and theft is way overboard. Apple were invited to Xerox and they together wrote contracts about patents and agreements. And great job not even mentioning Douglas Engelbart :P
Bill paid (though not all that much) for the DOS code to run Windows. They were not stealing.
What a great way to do Marketing... Start up with fun facts from the past. Interesting intro, then at the end the perfect time to introduce your own product by complimenting the first inventions. Nice one!
thanks for sharing real story of computer, i'm really fan your work. plz keep it doing more
Thank God You Returned !!
One of the best infotainment video I've watched this month.
I think the most creative thing in this video is the way you put the advertisement along with the topic 😄
You are doing great work!
Raiders of the Lost Photocopier
Hmm. Not one mention of Douglas Engelbart and his invention of the mouse. Not one mention of the pioneering work he did at SRI with networking, hypertext, and GUIs. No mention of the Mother of All Demos Engelbart gave in 1968.
This was a decent overview of Xerox's work, but leaves the impression that it all started with them, instead of them building on Engelbart's work, just as Apple built on theirs.
Gee, too bad his keyset never caught on. Somebody ought to put it into production. I wonder who might be able to do that?
@@RussellNelson Yes, I hope someone eventually puts it in production.
if bill steals from Steve it is known as theft and if Steve steals it is known as inspiration
Innovation rather
I watch the whole ad, how seamless it waa transitioned! nice documentary btw.
1 - The machine that was demonstrated to Steve at PARC was called the Professional Work Station, more robust than the Alto.
2- The Lisa Project at Apple only began after Steve hired the PWS team. The Lisa was quickly released while they were worked on a mass market machine to be called Macintosh.
3 - I tried to buy 500 PWS machines from the Xerox VP of Product Development who said, "Look, we're a copy machine company, only sell copiers and don't give a damn what those academics at PARC are doing."
4 - Gates didn't hire PARC guys in that era and always tried to copy the Bell Labs/PARC/Apple GUI development stream, never getting it right.
Interesting! Care to expand on #3?
That segway into the sponsor in the end was genius, haha
ashVGF *segue
Great way to introduce your sponsor's product hahaha. Thanks for your video, I didn't know exactly the way they stole the UI feature.
love the amalgamation of storytelling and graphics
2:54 top left :)
It's a trap
omg
with the original voice-over coming back, so did the easter egg
Just about to comment this~
doublen987 how?!?!?!wtf?!?!?!?!
Imagine how hard the Xerox CEO slammed his head against the wall years later when he realized how much money they missed out on by not using the PARC technologies
At 1:37 you have the famous Ritchie & Thompson PDP-11 photo, that was Bell Labs not PARC. Also Engelbart invented the mouse at SRI, before he went to PARC.
Your video editing skills the best I ever seen.
Graphical User Interface - or Gooey...
guy i
I cringed when he said gooey.
It’s Gee U (you) I (eye). Just the letters pronounced.
Wow this was a brilliant, informative video. PARC workers deserve more credit.
Great video. And then and then out of nowhere I'm watching the commercial.
THE TRANSITION INTO THE AD IS LIKE TIME TRAVEL!
love the old style
Much respect to PARC team. Its inability of xerox to recognize the potential. Interesting topic too.
That was one slick transition to the ad
My understanding was that it was in the early 1970s that Xerox PARC devolped Smalltalk with the WIMP GUI and Object Oriented Programming (OOPS) Class inheritance environment to be able to rapidly develop and experiment with photocopy interfaces. They also released the Xerox 1186, around 1985 with a full WIMP interface based upon Interlisp-D for AI research using the OOPS and LISP as the underlying programming language.
Wow all of that amazing innovation so we can have a service like Blue Apron. Did you know they can ship farm fresh ingredients to your door? What an incredible thing to have while on lockdown due to coronavirus. Keep up the good work Xerox!
LOL!
A few years ago I watched a film called “The Pirates of Silicon Valley “. Don’t know how much was fact or fiction, but I thought it was fantastic! Stories about Jobs and Gates are totally interesting.
It's quite an accurate film as these things go - most of the stories were compiled at the time or shortly after and don't suffer from 'interviewing the winners and telling their side of the story' that modern works often do.
The Bonfire of the Vanities that we see between Gates and Jobs was the late 20th century equivalent of what happened between Edison, Westinghouse and Tesla decades before.
Its very brilliant of them to use this whole video for their own advertising..good job blue apron!
Nice Video, the premise is wrong but it's still a nice tidbit of history.
The video to make would be how catastrophically IBM fracked up their thinking of the IBM PC - and thank God Gates was able to keep control of DOS - or else a $350 laptop at Walmart would cost as much as a Apple
The true history of early personal computers is sadder than one can imagine ... I hope Dr. Kildall's found peace - unfortunately I'm still very much pissed off!
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He had 2 chances and blew them both, the first is obvious when he purposely ignored IBM. The second was to sell CP/M after the lawsuit to match the price of MS-DOS, instead he wanted $200 extra dollars per customer. Yes it was the superior product, but not a $200 premium.
Your channel is amazing. ❤
I like how smoothly he transitioned a sponsored ad towards the end
the "photo" at 6:48 is 3D and the cigarette is smoking
andreasl33 it's not 3D. You cut the subjects (some transparency/eraser tool), you clone image parts to fill the places where the subjects were (and he even blurred so he didn't even had to do a great cloning) and then you overlay both images and shrink one faster than the other. Or just move with different speeds. I know I'm making it look easy and it actually takes some time and there are other techniques to make it even faster (he could have just used a fake background... You don't know the original photo so you don't know what was actually behind, so why bother with all the cloning etc etc?) and I wouldn't be surprised that there was already some automatic tool to make this kind of "3D animation" but this is really all that is: just cut and make 2 layers move in different speeds. Videogames do it for decades. It's called parallax effect ;)
"Who built the first GUI and Operating System?"
"Xerox"
"How did they build it?"
"We don't know, we just know that Bill gates and Steve Jobs stole from Xerox and gave everyone GUI"
What do you mean we don't know? It was developed in Xerox's R&D center named PARC!
Bill and Steve never gave anyone anything. They're takers.
Says Mohammad.
@@onetwomany9634
Ok kevin
@@1pcfred Wrong
The way u effortlessly transition 2 ur adverts is just too funny.
Please how true and painful this is. I live in Rochester NY and worked at Xerox at one time. It was so frustrating. Today Xerox is barely in the copy business. Ursala Burns was well paid and drove the company into the ground. Her main goal was to bring equality to the company
Thanks Xerox, with out your ideas we would be stuck with command prompts still!
Thank Parc and his employees.
My secretary used a Xerox Star computer, so I know it well. Apple and Microsoft TOTALLY stole the "mouse", which was most certainly part of the Xerox Star machines before they were EVER imagined for PCs. Xerox Star were big expensive computers with giant monitors, which is why the cheaper PCs took off for the general public. Years later, the Xerox Star mouse was stolen for use on PCs.
Apple and Microsoft also stole the GUI from Star.
@@johnthane7837 By the way Apple and Microsoft is able developing and makes good progresive.
The mouse itself predates Xerox PARC. Apple wanted to pay for a license to use the technology but as they didn't own the legal rights to the mouse, they sent him to SRI. According to Douglas Engelbart (the inventor of the mouse) Apple was the only company who ever paid for it.l
Great video! 👊🏻💥👊🏻
Bill & Steve’s excellent Xerox adventures.
fantastic..what software or tool you used to make this video?
Adobe premiere pro
adobe after effects
Pisa loosu
Its the talented editor, not the software !
Nicely done mini-doc on the subject, but I have to take issue with the statement at the end stating that without without Xerox PARC we would never have the computer graphic interface we enjoy today. This is such an over-used and repeated canard in every facet of technology reporting. Many breakthroughs in science and technology occur simultaneously through different people in different locations, and eventually if enough people are on the track, discoveries and inventions will be made sooner or later. Think calculus from Newton and Leibniz, evolution from Darwin, Wallace, and Lamarck, or DNA from Watson and Crick or Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins. In the later case, they ultimately shared ideas and techniques, and it came down to who discovered the answer and first to the press. Yeah, maybe Xerox/PARC got us the GUI sooner, but it wasn't the sole gate-keeper to its ultimate implementation.
My respects to nerds for all the engineering and all that intelligence in their brains for electronics and TV's