Who is Mr. Rover, and why is it actually Taemin? (analysis)

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  • @soomi
    @soomi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +184

    Most people: "But is he coming over?" 🤔

    • @londonmellow
      @londonmellow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      kai enlisted after he dropped his bop 😭. so unfortunately he ain't

    • @soomi
      @soomi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@londonmellowHe's coming over... in a few years :')

    • @safichii
      @safichii 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Somebody better give you an award, CAUSE THAT WAS A LINE! 😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏

  • @Chuu_Vault
    @Chuu_Vault 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

    Everybody shut up, my telenovela just started 🍿

    • @olilondonpavethewayforkpop
      @olilondonpavethewayforkpop 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Stan Oli London

    • @auliamate
      @auliamate 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@olilondonpavethewayforkpop ermmm no thank you, stan IZ*ONE

  • @londonmellow
    @londonmellow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    the title made me chuckle ngl 😂
    I appreciate both of their work, taemins and kais.
    love the analysis to the rover and guilty songs, and comparing them. I didnt make this connection so its refreshing to see someone elses pov

  • @fimbulvetr6129
    @fimbulvetr6129 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    “He’s Rover, He’s Rover, You’re Rover… IM ROVER! Are there any other Rovers I should know about?”
    “Meow.”

  • @Taejiu
    @Taejiu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    What if I told you it’s actually I who is Mr. Rover

    • @Hoshining
      @Hoshining 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      spill the tea lol 😂

    • @kidawesomeness123
      @kidawesomeness123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I think we’re ALL mr.rover

    • @faeriegraver
      @faeriegraver 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Maybe the real Mr. Rover is the friends we made along the way

    • @nublock5000
      @nublock5000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Better than being everglow-up at least

    • @ifephone
      @ifephone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@nublock5000DAMN..

  • @eunbipov
    @eunbipov 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    the way dara's original version of rover is legit about intercourse i think?? 😭😭 but this analysis definitely is a different interpretation of kai's song and also the interpretation of taemin's song is something to think about! really interesting indeed

  • @coralskpopcorner
    @coralskpopcorner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    The guilty and Truman show connection (?)/reference makes sense, if you’ve ever seen the scene in Truman show where he actually exits the set and says his famous quote - that scene makes me think of how k-pop idols must feel, constantly being watched and observed by the public.
    Hell even Truman and the idols have a lot in common, we basically watch most of these idols lives, their every move, like the people who watched Truman did.
    And then you can kinda use that as a metaphor for guilty and rover, especially the scene I referenced, Truman finally leaves, he does not care about the people nor the producers, and he doesn’t recognize his past self just like mr. rover

    • @choujimi
      @choujimi  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That makes a lot of sense!! Especially truman ending up leaving in the end, that matches a lot with Taemin’s story

    • @coralskpopcorner
      @coralskpopcorner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@choujimi yeah that’s what I thought! It’s almost like a perfect metaphor for a kpop idols life (which is questionable but still), I love the movie it’s one of my favorites and Jim carrey does a really good job in it

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      fantasies fantasies

    • @coralskpopcorner
      @coralskpopcorner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@justviewer3677 huh?

  • @VeryTaeminty100
    @VeryTaeminty100 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    That was an absolutely lovely analysis to think of Taemin's work like this I feel he explained similar concept to Advice where he didn't want to feel misinterpreted by others so he blocked their bad advice and takes his own he destroys his idol image because he is taking his own advice

  • @Hoshining
    @Hoshining 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    i feel like mr rover is kinda the kai wandering in different fields before joining exo like how KAI initially wanted to pursue ballet prior to debut and he also had a power of eleportation in the exo cinematic universe so it kinda fits really well
    honestly both of these songs fit each other really well
    also congrats on 3k✨✨💗💗💗💗

    • @choujimi
      @choujimi  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you! 😭

  • @rebacathek-popfan7950
    @rebacathek-popfan7950 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    0:18 the men dara kidnapped 😭

  • @louis24138
    @louis24138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    actually taemin's concepts are deeper than it seems at first glance, he is really a nerd for making concepts and quoting authors from books he reads. his mind is simply superior. Taemin is known for relying a lot on symbolism... and projecting his own experiences into his lyrics or visuals. Rover is easier to understand, in my opinion, with taemin you will always be formulating 100 alternative theories, reading and analyzing a lot. Just like IDEA made me read Greek philosophy to understand it. Guilty can be understood in different ways... it is strongly inspired by DEMIAN by Hernan Hesse and Erotism: Death and Sensuality by Bataille. these are the books confirmed by Taemin himself.

    • @babyyoda5447
      @babyyoda5447 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the concept of rover is only easier understand if you're not interested in the messages that Kai is including and the elements of himself that he includes in his music.

    • @louis24138
      @louis24138 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@babyyoda5447 don't get me wrong. i've always found kai's concepts easier to digest than taemin's, and i'm not just talking about rover or guilty. in general, taemin tends to be much more deep in my opinion.

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kai is a very interesting person, he is not only a talented artist, a wonderful artist, impeccable as a model, and at the same time a modest person, I think he is in many ways superior to the erotic Taemin. To say that Taemin is more Mr. Rover is not knowing him at all, he is more of a Narcissist.@@louis24138

    • @damesnpeacocks
      @damesnpeacocks 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@louis24138 you’ve found them easier to digest bc you are expecting a banal examination of self that many artists do. Although Kai has talked about his projects in the terms of self conceptually where his mother was moved to tears bc his films reflected stories of his life he’s said that he does not want what he says to take away the meaning from others as music is meant to be widely enjoyed even if not necessarily a hardcore fan of the artist. His goal is to put a mirror up for the audience so they can see themselves rather than a glass for the audience to be a passive viewer. As a performer he’s taken on the role of evoking feelings that the audience find within themselves. His entire career revolves around I want to make you feel something rather than you just look at how cool I am. Audiences can relate to feelings of freedom and wanting to be free to try new things and experience new experiences . He’s cracked the code of displaying himself just enough that it feels authentic to him while also allowing room for the listener to take full ownership of the song themselves. He’s invested in making music for the moments of listener’s lives where they will remember that time they danced in the club carefree like a Rover. Or that time they felt like they didn’t quite measure up enough for someone and let them down like Sinner. Those first moments of sweet love like Peaches. That sexy feeling with Mmmh. That time they felt like a stranger to even themselves like in Hello Stranger. A deep lonely unknowing sadness like in Blue. Or feeling like a bad bitch with Reason. Even a song for when strangers on the internet shit on you like Black Mirror. Being full of lust like in Vanilla. Jealousy in Say You Love Me. Insecurity and begging in To Be Honest. And sometimes you just wanna shake some ass like Domino. These are relatable emotions
      Whatever Taemin is doing works for him but Kai is not invested in the I’m a poor tortured artist so conflicted with emotions watch me work through it trope. Kai’s always been invested in being a part of people’s core memories. Like he’s said so even when you are no longer able to keep up with him as a fan you can still look back and remember happiness. Some artists are meant to be the niche tortured artists and some people are meant to be the soundtrack to people’s lives. Kai’s doing very well with the latter.

    • @saralee65
      @saralee65 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@damesnpeacocks as a listener of both, i can say that taemin is a more complex artist in many aspects than kai, kai's music is easier to digest. he makes effective and easy to listen to classic musical genres. rnb, hip hop..pop mainly. taemin is more experimental in his sound, he likes to mix genres, sounds etc. and as for concepts kai's are open concepts. . and not as meticulous, stilted or deep as taemin's. just an example, IDEA had a lot of people reading plato, to understand the lyrics of the song. with kai it happens to be a more immediate understanding... no need to analyze too much. i enjoy both, the simplicity and complexity without being both bad. i am effective but also nerd. In this case Guilty is no exception, even rolling stone was divided on the meaning behind guilty at the time of writing the article. of course people attribute different interpretations to it.

  • @faharlida8643
    @faharlida8643 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Two of the best solos from last year being analysed side by side, oh I've found my niche

  • @gxilds420
    @gxilds420 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You speak at the perfect pace for my brain I love it

  • @nayeonchantix
    @nayeonchantix 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    my mind does what it always does and thought about existentialism. There is the notion that hell is other people because they have their own interpretation of you that can alter even your own interpretation of you. Living as others believe you should is considered living in bad faith, but it's incredibly difficult to live in good faith. In fact, if you are aware of the idea of good faith, some might say it's impossible. If you try to live in good faith, that's living according to the existential ideal rather than your own set of beliefs. Always changing as Mr. Rover, to me, sounds like an attempt to work around the idea, though the question of freedom is also interesting. According to existentialism, we are condemned to be free. In a world where we are apparently abandoned by any god, we have to act and be accountable for our own actions, even if we choose to do absolutely nothing. That's still a choice you make. We impact the overall human essence with our actions as well, becoming the other that is hell ourselves and defining the world we live in in our own ways.

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      a philosophy that is far removed from real life

    • @nayeonchantix
      @nayeonchantix 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@justviewer3677 well, yes. But it's still fun to think about

  • @avenuedaze
    @avenuedaze 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I liked watching this video because it delves into the concepts that the songs represent, something I picked up to an extent for each of these songs, but not in a deep way. To be honest, it can be easy to let other aspects of the performance and production of kpop music releases draw my focus away from the actual meaning behind the songs.

  • @ctuallynice
    @ctuallynice 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I mean tbh it's neither because Mr. Rover is a man Dara was f-cking in his Range Rover 😂🤣

  • @dermarzhase7175
    @dermarzhase7175 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That was so interesting to watch/think about, thank you!

  • @shineeverse
    @shineeverse 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is so interesting! Thank you for this analysis 💗

  • @ahhtaestea2928
    @ahhtaestea2928 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    i don't really like Kai's 'Rover' song but this analysis definitely makes me appreciate it more. good job!!

  • @kid-ava
    @kid-ava 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great and very interesting analysis💗

  • @Iloveaespa980
    @Iloveaespa980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Rover Rover Rover iam coming over over over ♥

  • @Marilynspook
    @Marilynspook 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting analysis, I never considered it in such a way

  • @zarasarwar8836
    @zarasarwar8836 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    excellent analysis!!

  • @2law2be
    @2law2be 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Truman show connection to idols but especially Taemin is very interesting, the director (Peter Weir) said the movie was inspired by Michael Jackson. Someone who grew up in front of the world and everyone believes they know everything about him, without knowing anything really about him. Jackson had been in the industry for 45 yrs and has done many interviews but because people had an idea of him they never asked him real questions to get to know him.

  • @girlbossed4441
    @girlbossed4441 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Are you thinking of doing a Nightwalker analysis or any Taeyong solo analysis content? This was really interesting btw, you make a very strong case for your ideas.

    • @choujimi
      @choujimi  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think I will! I’ve been meaning to make more videos about NCT/subunit/solo songs! It usually takes me a while to collect my thoughts, but I really liked nightwalker and its lyrics

  • @kai-jw9hf
    @kai-jw9hf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    all the shit they are talking about rover. sometimes I'm embarrassed by my own fandom :( This was started by a troll gom, and of course guilty It's nothing jongin has done before. Also, Rover and Guilty are great songs with such different auras and I think this video is an interesting analysis, but shawols pls don't focus on what a troll comments. I'm gom and I like taemin, I like guilty. both are great artists

    • @dear7003
      @dear7003 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      honestly it was a mistake to make this video, connecting Taemin and Kai in any way now leads to a shit show, maybe that's also why they almost stopped interacting on public after 2014, because of the fanwars and toxic solo stans? i think about it sometimes. from the rare moments we saw them together after that you can tell they're still super close, and i remember Kai attended Taemin's concert just recently in December. sad

    • @NannThiri
      @NannThiri 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oh a sensible comment thanks. i was so confused by some of these comments 😅

    • @mrvclk
      @mrvclk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dear7003 Fans can be very toxic. Taemin and Kai eat together all the time and even have a restaurant where they leave autographs. They went on holiday together with their other friends. They constantly talk about each other. Even before Kai went to the military, the reporter took photos of them walking together etc. They're still very close, they don't show it to the fans just because we're hanging out, the fans see them.

    • @dear7003
      @dear7003 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mrvclk yeah, i don't doubt that they're very close friends still, i meant that they mostly don't show it on public anymore

  • @d4nd3l1on3
    @d4nd3l1on3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its funny that he took dara’s bulgarian nightclub bop and actually made it meaningful lmao 😭 (i mean as a bulgarian im happy my ULT bias collabed with her )

  • @Ninou.u
    @Ninou.u 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The concept behind Guilty is too deep and raw to compare to something like "rover" be serious girl. This time I don't agree. Taemin's concepts need to be analyzed in detail

  • @natasharaez
    @natasharaez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me, enjoying this analysis as a taekai stan:

  • @08fka
    @08fka 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is so interesting😭😭😭

  • @paoale8508
    @paoale8508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Please respect Guilty and its complex creation and production process. stop comparing it to a cover

    • @d4nd3l1on3
      @d4nd3l1on3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And you think Rover is not?? Wake up and realise that
      fun and energetic ≠ not deep and meaningful

    • @paoale8508
      @paoale8508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@d4nd3l1on3 that song cover is not serious .. repetitive lyrics .. is shit next to guilty. so nope girl

  • @Sandra-lu3ri
    @Sandra-lu3ri 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wow... just wow

  • @creolivia4830
    @creolivia4830 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I absolutely would hate being an artist … to have people do this kind of ish to my work… nah.

  • @kenziii5973
    @kenziii5973 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is hilarious 😆 😆😆😅

  • @wintaaa9198
    @wintaaa9198 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Y'all are talking nonsense and believing it 😭

  • @hagpill
    @hagpill 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    waiting on choujimi twice video

    • @choujimi
      @choujimi  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m almost finished with it, I’ll probably have it released by tomorrow morning!

  • @alisonnyanyannya
    @alisonnyanyannya 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    interesting take... not sure i agree but i enjoy an overly indepth look into something as much as the next guy lol! personally taemin's guilty (as someone who grew up as catholic and struggles with my relationship with the faith) really speaks to me and i think the references to catholicism are telling a somewhat different story but thats just my two cents. I guess we all relate and analyze things in relation to what we know best :)

  • @DaraIly-pc2uj
    @DaraIly-pc2uj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Everything behind Guilty even the lyrics not a joke, in deep concept, how are you going to compare that with something as simple as that shit" call me rover rover.. " please be serious. Leave video analysis to those they are capable of

  • @mingkyumin
    @mingkyumin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought rover was just a song about gay sex

  • @warriorxheart
    @warriorxheart 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want Kai so bad but i also wanna be him
    Rover was my top song of 2023, my slut pop song of the year

    • @kid-ava
      @kid-ava 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      mood

    • @warriorxheart
      @warriorxheart 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kid-ava werq

  • @KAIGOM
    @KAIGOM 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    stop trying to make kai solo work about other people. kai solo work is not about or conceptualize for anyone else. yes taemin is one of his best friends but neither his life or his music revolves around him. i get you're fan of both and this was a harmless theory video, but taemin fans are always so quick to undermine jongin as an artist is really tiring, you can already see them in the comments, for some very weird reason kai establising himself as a solo artist and having sucess piss them off lol anyway mr rover is kai.

    • @sleeplessnight03
      @sleeplessnight03 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Taemin's fans aren't making theories that include Kai's work. we know their work aren't related. and there's also hateful comments about Taemin, saying that he plagiarized Kai. a lot of Kai's fans aren't saints either, and they love accusing Taemin of copying

    • @KAIGOM
      @KAIGOM 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sleeplessnight03 ok? this person is still fan of taemin and made this video ?? also i never said anything about kai fans being saints ??

    • @paoale8508
      @paoale8508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So if you are aware of the goms superiority complex? saying that guilty is a copy of a sinner? 🤣🤣and say that taemin copied kai??? before any taemin fan jumped, and now that they come to give them back the same energy, you are the offended ones and the poor victims. I really shit on all of you, and there is definitely no point of comparison between the concept, rawness and vulnerability behind Guilty and kai's shitty cover. so I don't know why this shitty yt gom does it.

    • @saralee65
      @saralee65 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      This channel is from a gom. taemin's fans jumped because a gom started saying that taemin copied kai (which is a flat lie) and now that his fans jumped (logical reaction) you are offended, don't be miserable without any provocation and I promise you that everything will be fine , I see other shawols and taemin fans taking this analysis in the best way. the solo stans like u on both sides are always the problem

    • @KAIGOM
      @KAIGOM 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@paoale8508talking abt goms superiority complex while in the same comment trying to demean kai song and concept while saying 'it doesnt compares to taemin' LMFAOO like yeah it doesnt but bc they are different genres and different concepts like 😂 also theres a difference between a cover and a remake but i dont expect all you pseudo deep losers to get it bc u all probably acting dense on purpose to try to insult kai with it but it will never work just go away and cope with the fact that kai is successful.

  • @justviewer3677
    @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Taemin borrowed a lot from Kai, so in Kai’s album there is a song Sinner, and Taemin’s is Guilty, and many more similar things, just like plagiarism. Kai is an innovator and a unique artist in his work.

    • @DaraIly-pc2uj
      @DaraIly-pc2uj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Naah Guilty is a work of art, no Kai song comes close to it conceptually, vocally or artistically. Much less when you come back with a cover song as the title track... so a Kai stan can't talk to me about originality. 🤣 Also Guilty is "cliché Taemin" in his own words, it's the most taemin thing he's done in this comeback.. but more intense and raw, that's recognized by the whole industry and many articles written. concepts like this has done it before anyone else.. that Kai and the others are catching up is different and he's definitely the quintessential pioneer for any solo artist even if it hurts you. And I definitely don't understand how this yt reactor dares to compare a complex and well thought out concept like Guilty to something like rover.. They need to be serious at least once in their life

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t even want to argue, it’s just your desire, there was a talented artist in their group, he died early, and Taemin...@@DaraIly-pc2uj

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      don’t even want to argue, it’s just your desire, there was a talented artist in their group, he died early, and Taemin...@@DaraIly-pc2uj

    • @justviewer3677
      @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣I'm crying@@DaraIly-pc2uj

    • @dear7003
      @dear7003 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      you really know nothing about Taemin or Guilty concept. the song was made in 2021, but he decided to save it for later. nobody has done a concept similar to it in the industry. Taemin has been including religious references into his art since 2016, because he himself is a devoured catholic. and it's not only about religion, there's a great explanation of the song on youtube, based on Taemin's own words and the books Guilty is inspired of. he is a very respected artist and known as a trendsetter in the industry among other idols, he creates his concepts based on his religion, literature and philosophy. he doesn't need copying his best friend, your claims are an absolute joke and Kai would be ashamed of you

  • @justviewer3677
    @justviewer3677 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The nonsense of a person that he wants to convince others of. Rover is a stage image, no need to stretch your fantasies.

    • @baek_so
      @baek_so 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Rover is a cheap copy. There is no reason to deceive each other 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • @paoale8508
      @paoale8508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I say the same, why compare a great song like guilty with a cover. The production behind guilty is a masterpiece, the cover is still a cover