The sexualization and feminization of Lee Taemin.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มี.ค. 2023
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In this video I discuss the Sexualization and Feminization that Lee Taemin from SHINee faced and faces.
Jonghyun was a great support system for Taemin, it makes me think his absence must have something to do with Taemin's depression. Taemin said it several times that Jong understands him the most. Taemin being a very closed person who is always smiley hides a lot within himself , god knows what really happened with him during his service that made his depression worsen . I'm glad the nightmare is over for him. Now he is home.
Es que lo mejor no puede vivir su amor con libertad con mihno eso el de ver pasa
Jonghyun also experienced depression, anxiety and more. No telling what Jonghyun had to endure within the Music Entertainment Industry, himself.
You missed a whole important aspect of why that behavior was seen as "normal": South Korea is a very homophobic country, especially men on those variety shows. But also, many Korean fangirls love to fetishize anything that involves gay men or more "feminine" traits on men. That's why nobody saw an issue with treating him like that, especially more than 10 years ago. Can't imagine how a gay fanboy in SK or even in the West must've felt like seeing how Taemin was being made fun of, sexualized and feminized just because he didn't present himself as super masculine. This problem is way bigger than just Taemin, it's a whole society's old mindset of how a man and a woman should look and behave 😢💔
I think the same thing happened with Jimin. If you look at past interviews, they make me feel so uncomfortable...
LOUDER, this is true!! They sell it as fan service and fans go nuts when they see any gay interaction between members, I think is because these fans HATE the idea of their Idols/ "OPPA" being with other women (famous or not) but can stand them being 'gay' between their members (I'm not sure how that even make sense but it's how I perceive it so far)
Yessss the way Taemin (and even Key as we can see in the vid) was treated in the media is really a symptom of how societal attitudes demean queer men/ppl--and by extension, all women. Anything seen as less than a perfect iteration of masculinity is free real estate for disrespect.
That is so spirit crushing. I cannot imagine how it must affect those who have the preference for others of the same gender. How agonizing and utterly unfair. To have to live up to extremely demanding standards is already difficult enough. But to also bear this added burden. Ah, my heart.
This comment!!!
This applies to so much more than kpop too. The entire genre of yaoi/Yuri manga is extremely unsettling and it just sexualizes gay/queer relationships and it's sickening and gross. (I prefer to just call it mlm/wlw but I will occasionally say bl/wl).
Taemin is my bias (basically my ult. Bias) and it's just so sad to hear how he gets sexualized AND feminized. Also, the disrespect he's gotten since his discharge from the military and gaining weight. It's so sad that he got that treatment because stress, anxiety, depression ALL can contribute to weight gain (even if your diet isn't bulky!) there's just so much I could say about this topic and I'm glad this video was created to call out these horrible behaviors.
Poor Jonghyun always tried to protect him
Yeah I’m so glad he was able to protect he’s so amazing
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That's why it's so hard for me to watch the early years of Shinee. The variety show culture was just so creepy around them... Didn't they have a whole show about the members going on dates with Noonas (for Replay debut)?
The way minor idols are treated in kpop just sends shivers down my spine, and it STILL happens today.
How did the members feel about it tho cuz I don’t think it was supposed to be serious?
@@brennathecatlover4360 I think they didn't have the choice. They had to smile and laugh but I can feel there were not comfortable. They wanted to sing and dance not to be treated like animals in a circus. Most of those kind of shows were stupid. There are also limits with "joking". And the ones making the show should have looked at themselves first because there were totally ridiculous!.
Poor Taemin 😢. Jonghyun wasn't blind !
Happily our Taeminah is back .... but Jonghyun is still missing. Anyway 5HiNeE will always be five ❤️💎💎💎💎💎✨🌸🎶. Taemin is shy so I hope he and the other members will never have to bear such bad attitude from anybody.
That is the problem in South Korea. They can't just say "leave me alone or shut up"! People can be so mean (and that is in the whole world). Thank you for the video 😊
I’ve always liked Jonghyun, but was SO pleased when he very clearly warned the interviewer to back off. Wish the other members had joined him. If I remember correctly Jonghyun even wrote for Taemin called Pretty Boy, about Taemin’s struggles. I think Jonghyun struggled with some of the same issues as Taemin.
Jonghyung was also the one who wrote "Pretty Boy", the song that Taemin sang with Kai from EXO, which talks about this feminisation that both boys had to go through during their first years after debuting.
I've been a Shawol almost from the beginning and still to this day it makes me sick watching the way Taemin and all of them were treated during those variety shows. It is all super creepy and very toxic.
I am so glad that Taemin is back home and thriving, already working for his groups and solo comebacks.
Thank you for making this video, not many people realize the way Taemin was (and sometimes still is) treated and the fact that he had to through a lot while debuting so young.
I'm such a big lover of pretty boy and it just expresses a lot Jonghyun did so well with that song
Back in 2013 Taemin changed so much. His looks and behavior started to be more "manly" and he wasn't taking those "girly" jokes anymore. At the time he was finally of age and tired of this feminine image, he said so himself he felt uncomfortable that people compared him to a girl and that he wished to be treated as a man.
Even with his members, he started avoiding the maknae treatment, of them babying him.
He stopped acting innocent and started doing some sexy things.
A major part of his brand was being the cute and innocent boy who looked like a girl so when he changed a lot of his so called fans didn't like it, I remember some of them wishing the old Taemin back.
Coincidentally or not, it happened after Shelock era, when he was constantly being compared to a girl due his hair + being of age and SM pushed him to do more fanservice with the members, mostly with Minho. The 2min fandom was up the hills at the time, and I think it even got too much.
Back to 2013 again, Taemin started refusing the fanservices and even seemed angry sometimes about it.
The first moments of awkwardness with his new persona faded giving place to people thirsting over the new sexy Taemin.
I feel as if Taemin was never truly respected, his image always being exploited. At some point he did turn more empowered over how he presented himself. Not pushing the overly masculinity or falling into the innocent boy role, but finding a place for himself. Even though, you can see how people still treat him as some sort of exotic specie. He took his place as a soloist, but sometimes it feels like he's falling more and more into industry's hands.
Taemin reminds me a lot of Sulli, who was also treated as some sort of puppet, a beautiful porcelain doll. The difference was only that Sulli had a breakdown after so much abuse and we can't deny their genders play a role in how they both were treated.
I totally agree fans shouldn't be sexuallizating or feminizing him he's a sweet and gentle man and Taemin deserves to be treated with respect and support he also deserves to be loved not disrespected
There is definitely something about him that attracts people to him and that attention can obviously be good or bad, wanted or unwanted. As the youngest and the shyest member, he must've seemed like an easy target. He's been a public commodity since he was 12 but that should not be at the sake of him being made physically uncomfortable by it. Things go too far if he needs to be shielded by another member. Some of this was downright creepy. I'm not super familiar with the culture and am not sure if it's considered good TV to fawn over a 18 year old kid expecting him to kiss you. I heart Taemin but he is no longer that young kid, he'll be a 30 year old man in July with more life experiences than any of us will ever have the opportunity to know. My hope is that when he's done with his military service he can have the control of his life he deserves and can take a more adamant stand against creepy shit like this.
A lot of people pass the sexualization of him off as men being 'gay' for Taemin. It makes me uncomfortable that he was objectified and these things actually aired for people to see without questioning of how wrong it was. I've never heard Taemin directly speak against how he was treated in this way but my heart goes out to him as I know how uncomfortable he must've been. The behavior towards him shouldn't be normalized and I'm glad you made the video to bring up this issue. Taemin comes back in less than day and I can't wait to support him further ❤
OMG now that I think about it it probably has to do with Gay people being associated with being a pervert/pedos, which I hate it's such a bad stigma that causes hate/harm towards the LGBTq community. The one comedian the constantly picks on Taemin(the guy that tried to touch him during view era then Jjong because he had a tank top) That's his whole act, my sister said that he constantly "acts gay" for his comedy in the past, and he's toned it down more recently.
Some of those “gay moments” he did seem completely fine with tho
@Brenna The cat lover Yea I get what u mean, but i overall just don't like that dude, his comedy of "acting gay" because it's funny, is just weird, I don't know if he's straight or not but being openly gay in korea is sadly shameful and looked down upon and him doing it for comedy just cuz erks me, and it not something he should have joked around with an underage boy. If Tae was an adult in all the clips that would be different, but i still don't like him, coming from someone that is part of the LGBTq community.
i still remember that woman who's producer of new jeans now that sexualized taemin in the past is so shitty
Her name is min heejin @@johnmichaeldeguzman6429
I feel like a big reason why he gained weight during his service was not only because of stress/not having to follow a strict diet. But I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it to try to protect himself from creepy ass men. It’s not taemin’s fault he is naturally beautiful. Breaks my heart that I didn’t realize how sexualized he was until I got older. Makes me so sad. But it warms my heart just how protective Jonghyun was of him. Also really cute that he wrote Pretty Boy for Taemin and Kai so they can reclaim that title and give it a new meaning. Jonghyun was too pure for this world. Thank you for sharing this!
This is reaching. It’s more likely that he simply went from eating the standard kpop idol 1-2 meals per day to 3 meals per day. Taeyang also gained a ton of weight. They both dropped it after the military, so I don’t think it was about protecting himself at all, even if he was harassed previously.
I’m glad that Taemin is posting about his awareness about this in Advice. It’s like he weaponised his femininity and with Advice even with feminine silhouettes he went much more grunge, with long hair that was definitely deliberately more greasy, which isn’t common at all to see idols look unkempt. The line “I destroy the torso you sought after” and him showing his tattoo officially was like a big fuck you to people who wanted him to stay pretty. I hope he is able to take even more control of his music and I also wish the best for new jeans too
and now with guilty, he's openly calling out this disgusting behaviour of sexualising minors by the industry
I love him so much.
idk how I got through this video without crying because of jonghyun, now I realise how important he was
So Important and amazing x R.I.P Jonghyun 🌹
Min Heejin has been on my personal hitlist for nearly a decade, love that her creepy problematic ass got exposed. And I hope that people around Ador really have the kids best interest in mind. Like they so talented and make great music, it would be devastating for them to pull up 10 years from now with a heartfelt story about how much they felt sexualized and mistreated while being in the group.
This has been bugging me for the longest time and I 100% agree with everything you said. I love how Jonghyun tried his best to protect him and I can't even begin to imagine how his absence may have affected Taemin and my heart goes out to him. I have a theory that Taemin and many others in this industry have experienced crazy amounts of sexual harrassment from both the people in the industry and some of their overzealous stans. These noona fans and uncle fans can be the worst and I aknowledge that there's nothing wrong with being a fan of younger idols but sexualising them and not respecting the age difference is very creepy. What gets to me the most is how normalised this stuff is. I remember Taemin saying that he gained weight during the interview he had while in the military and he was happy about said weight gain. Part of me wonders if he hates the super slim phyique that SM insists he has and that he'd rather have a healthy "masculine" physique as he had to live most of his life in a body that people "feminised" and fetished and had probably had enough. Thank you for being awareness to this, more people need to talk about this issue.
And even colleagues now and then. I mean you provoke it putting 10+ Teens on a shedulle they just can shower in Trios becaues everyone's so exhausted that no one would want to wait for hours to take a effing shower.
SHINee Lucifer is what introduced me to K-pop and I’ve been a Shawol ever since.
I remember being upset all the time when watching them promote songs and seeing how horribly these hosts would treat Taemin. Constantly telling him he’s pretty and better looking than most girls.
He was very smart though by flipping the script on them with Move. By purposefully leaning into his feminine side but also showcasing his fit muscular body at the same time he took their power away and gave him the power.
it is a bop, but Jazz is right, it was the ultimate power move from Taemin, he did such a good job with it. I don't remember people being super weird with him ever since - except for the military shower situation, which is still pissing me off... -_-'''
Adult Taemin knows how to be sexy, and from what I see he enjoys that kind of attention - when he chooses to do it! The industry should let it be his choice, and not force him, or worse, SHAME HIM for it! It's so upsetting...
As a literal child he was subjected to so many creepy old man, that only female idols have to deal with that kind of gross behaviour regularly... Forever thank you to Jonghyun for standing up for him and calling these creepy men out
I'm SO FUCKING GLAD how despite all this,Taemin grew up beautifully and now openly calling out this straight up disgusting behaviour,guilty literally has so many underlying meanings relating to all the trauma he felt all these yrs that the industry put him through.I.JUST.FEEL.SO.DAMN.PROUD of him
YES
He’s so humble and gentle, so he acted like he is fine while was uncomfortable.
but now he grew stronger than ever!!!
way to go Taeminie❤❤❤
Im so glad this video was made it was something that needed to be done urgently, so thank you! One instance that stands out to me always will be that clip of the man touching him during view era. You can see the pure shock, fear, and embarrassment on his face and jonghyun as well. It's amazing to see how something so purely traumatic and horrific can be turned into something so beautiful and artistic the way taemin now takes full control over his identity, femininity, and sexuality. How he felt strongly enough to make his own decision to have long hair again in Advice era. It really felt like he took back what Min heejin took from him when he was a boy.
Jonghyun was too perfect for this world, so he joined the angels in the heavens
I always felt bad for him when on interviews when men thought they had a right to put their hands on him. You could see how uncomfortable he was and when they would say how pretty he is.
No one had the right to put their hands on you without your permission.
Its really nice that he was able to reclaim his femininity and sexuality lately
Their is truth to this I almost agree with everything said but I will also need people to stop changing the fact that taemin was a child taemin at the time he was 20 or 17 years old. He suffered what cannot be imagined he went through which is hard to go through. He was thirsted by creepy old men he was also objectified multiple times called prettier and handsome at the young age he had old female ladies waiting in line for him. It is creepy and can drive one’s personality to a lot of different places when a person grows up they learn through experiences and stuff that happened throughout their life and a person u met at 20 years old they won’t be the same at 29. The point is yes taemin was feminized and objectified and called gay and stuff but we also cannot deny he after move era became a very different person specifically after want it was as if we saw a new taemin the taemin who made almost homophobic comments in the past in interviews due to creepy men thirsting over him he practically told a boy to back off and said he will only let the girl touch him. The same taemin who made that comment went from saying that to in move era saying that he wished to have more fanboys and wishes he had more male fans as he had non anymore. The point is shawols often forget K pop industry is homophobic and to act homophobic there is a good thing yet still shinee were always different and supportive of LGBTQIA community. What I mean to say is taemin sexuality cannot be assumed based off the comments he made as a teenager he himself said due to circumstances at that time (like creepy men thirsting over him) he had become a very different person but now he says he is different specially in his advice interviews he told he is not the same anymore. I see some shawols say this that yuh he likes girls don’t say he is gay because 13 years ago when he was literally 17 he said something like he doesn’t like to be called princess and that he doesn’t want men to like him but for those shawols I want to say assuming straight is assuming his sexuality as until he himself tells us or even if marries we can’t be sure also the way I see it at some point taemin said fack it and became as feminine as he could be to cross those same homophobes and weirdos and now we can’t be sure what kind of person has he become but form his art I see him leaning more towards his feminity and he is growing more comfortable in his skin for his comments in the past I am sure if a bunch of old thirsty men were after u anybody would act homophobic and deadly to save themselves from that and that doesn’t mean taemin is straight lol so y’all need to calm down otherwise I agree with this video young age debut is a problem as a person still haven’t even discovered themselves as a person how will they discover who they are as an artist. But even I said a lot of stuff as a teenager that I don’t believe anymore so yuh 😗
This was so so well said! You detailed and described this perfectly and I agree with everything you said
@@SHINeebestboys lol thank you for listening to my rant it’s such a long paragraph I didn’t expect anyone to read it but it’s just I wanted to address this considering how ignorant and denying people can be of the obvious facts
Thank you for telling your opinion. I'm shawol since 2021 and I'm 15yo. I learn a lot readings opinions or watching videos from another shawols who knows more than I. I really love Taemin so much and its terrible everything he has to pass during him career😞
But people just calling him pretty or handsome isn’t automatically creepy tho
@@brennathecatlover4360 of course no dear but u can learn to read the room in some of the interviews and specially when some of those old weird mcs even touched his chest or his body u can see taemin and shinee physically uncomfortable both male and female mcs were being all over taemin and honestly it was creepy to me
It’s so harsh and unfair that this happened to such a talented and kind individual. That he endured it, and went along with it, keepinga thick face is so heartbreaking and impressive. Thank you for making this much needed video. I hope his career keeps a steady upward trajectory. The man has more than earned it, and he deserves it. Truly a gifted artist. So glad he is back.
I became a fan of SHINee when I was seventeen (17). I am three years younger than Taemin. At the time, I didn't really understand how horrible and actually disturbing some of what he was going through actually was. I was awestruck by him the first time I saw him, and was eager to consume any media that he was in. I wanted to support him, to show how much he and the group meant to me back then, that I would avidly consume any media with them in it, without really knowing or understanding what was going on. Looking back now, I wish he wasn't put into these situations. it made me believe that they were okay, and ended up with me being passive in similar conditions, where I should have found a way to stand up for myself. I will always love SHINee, and I look back on these clips with a mix of nostalgia and hurt, because while I loved seeing these in the moment, with an adult perspective I understand they never should have happened in the first place.
OMG, that boy went through hell to reach this level😢.I know all his members care about him but jong was the only one who truly knew his heart, even though taemin doesn't express much but it must be devastating for him that he lost his biggest supporter who was always there for him without any malice.
People who don't have a problem with idols debuting too young should watch this video. Pop culture is so desensitized towards this kind of problems. Absolutely disgusting.
I'm not a shawol but i have so much respect for this dude.
Okay, so I personally hate when people make fun of or say unpleasant remarks about people be it males, females, or whatever gender for not sticking to the style that their gender is supposed to have. Like when guys have "feminine" style or when girls go more for the "masculine" look. I identify as a gender fluid (I was born a girl), and I love androgynous style, so whenever I see someone who is got a similar taste I get really excited. Idols like Taemin, Amber (F(X), Key (Shinee obviously), Ren (From NU'EST), Jimin (From BTS), Hyunjin (Stray Kids)...etc can be considered examples for people who got more of an androgynous vibe/style going for them, or might straight up be into the opposite sex supposed look.
I myself got through lots of harassment from my mother and rude remarks for not looking too feminine or being too boyish, weird, and there has been moments when my mom even told me that she think that something wrong might have going on with my mentality cause she struggles to understand if I'm a girl or a boy. Even after I told her that I never liked being a girl, I do enjoy some of the girls thing, but I don't feel like a girl, but also not fully as a guy, I do wish I was born a guy instead, but now I just go for both ways I guess. Even when it comes for my type romantically I always prefer guys that are more on the "feminine side" with long hair and girls that are more on "manly side" with short hair. It might seem odd to others, but that's my personal preference.
These types of comments or constant remarks about someone sexuality or style, in a negative way can lead to some serious psychological issues or insecurities. I know cause for some time back when I was a kid, I did think something was wrong with me cause I wasn't like the other girls my mother wanted me so hard to be like, but as I grew up I realized that there was nothing wrong about it, it's okay, and now I don't even care about her opinions any more. Guys can have it harder cause the harassment they get for not being too manly can be way worse than crap girls get for being tomboyish, I know that and that's why I do agree that what Taemin went through was wrong on so many levels.
I did see many guys who do start liking nail polish, try to grow their hair long...etc but then get bashed and humiliated for it like crazy , or viewed in a gross manner like Taemin, and so they panic and decide to completely change their looks to fit the others standards and it makes them miserable in the end.
Anyway all these idols I mentioned earlier instantly caught my attention back when I first got it K-pop as a kid, and I love them for it a lot. They also had a hand in helping me feel better about myself and like my style more.
So when I see guys being made fun of for having long hair, being pretty, wearing more colorful and obvious make up, or doing more soft dance choreographies blah blah that irks me, cause it's clear homophobia. South Korea is among the most homophobic countries out there till this day and since I myself live in a fellow homophobic country where being gay isn't even allowed and there is a great obsession with gender roles, so I can't help but get angry over it.
The whole sexualization thing, I mean calling a guy pretty or looking good in "women" clothes or whatever, if it's not meant in a homophobic way, in my opinion isn't an issue, I like it when other guys are confident and open minded enough to not mind complementing the looks of a another dude, or even say he is hot.
The issue about Taemin here is how gross they make it, they try to touch him and in weird places on his body, say the "compliments" in a very creepy and they basically sexually harass and try to molest him while making it seem like a joke (Especially when he was a minor, that was even more creepy). They call him princess which is wrong, yes the can call him pretty or very good looking, girls can also be called handsome or cool, but making it seem as if he isn't worthy of being called a man just cause he is pretty is irritating. If he happens to like androgynous concept then I really hope he never change that as I really appreciate it, and I'm really glad that the bullshit he went through didn't make him try hard to change that image out of trauma (Mostly if he actually liked to look that way back then too), he does seem to like it now, since he always goes for that style in his videos, outfits, and dances which makes me happy.
He probably was more forced to look that way as a young idol by SM to get more fans who love BL stuff or something, which is okay, I like BL myself, and I do agree it's a clever idea, but the force part is what worries me. If the idol are okay with it then cool, but them being forced to look certain way or wear clothes that make them uncomfortable or overly sexy for their age should be changed. That picture of him as minor being shirtless, had major pedo vibe to it, I bet the person who made him do that enjoyed it a lot...
Thank you for this. The SNL and Men on Mission scenes were some of the shows that I can clearly remember that I was disgusted by their treatment towards Taemin. It may seem like entertainment for the hosts but you can see that Taemin's uncomfortable with it. Also, I thank Jonghyun for being that protective older brother.
This really reminded me of how jaejoong (tvxq/jyj) used to be treated, I remember one Thai interview where he said he wanted to ride an elephant in Thailand, and the interview guy straight up said to him 'Do you want to ride me first?' it was so shocking
Oh my fucking god?! What the hell is wrong with that interviewer that’s actually crazy
What the fuck? There is no way that actually happened....
jesus christ :(
I'm literally in tears right now, because I never really noticed how uncomfortable you actually. Also when the news came out about him being depressed in the military I had no idea it was because of the attention he was getting, this is beyond absurd
I was a teen/20s in the hippie era. (👍) The long hair that lots of men wore never made them feminine. Trust me. Men for centuries wore long hair, all the way back to Sampson. The gender viewpoints today are still so harsh and bigoted. Taemin looked great with long hair! And as far as his “prettiness”, he is pretty because his parents genes made him that way. Yet there is no doubt that he is a MAN. And I love his self-styling as slightly androgynous on stage. He’s also sensitive and caring. WHY do these characteristics disqualify him as a man???? In today’s world, I wish more men could cut the hard macho crap and be sensitive and caring of others.
I’ve been suspicious of New Jeans since the get go. Your video explains A LOT. Well done for putting it out there. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
What's crazy to me is Heechul doing things like this to Taemin during some of the clips. I know that it's meant for tv but he's experienced being feminized and assumed gay throughout his entire career. I thought if anyone could sympathize with Taemin it would be him
Often, perpetrators were often once victims in a way. It was normalized in his mind. I think that's why he said those things.
this made me incredibly sad. i didn't know the extent of what Taemin went through all those years, as well as the other members too. i'm happy Taemin made it back safely and is able to rest. he went live on insta a few days ago, he's a very sweet person.
thank you for making this video.
Having minors, 14 year olds debut and work so many hours is absolutely crazy and i hated it since i discoverd kpop. So much stuff is not right in the industry that I sometimes find myself not enjoying he whole kpop scenen beacuse of it. What really irks me tho is, that in western media, everyone goes on about disney stars and how bad it is mentally for kids to be working in the enetrtainment indstry. But I rarely hear it discussed when it comes to Kpop. Thank you for your video!!! It's so important to speak about these issues. Hoping that one day the indsutry will change for the better ( maybe even betterchild protection laws, cause children working is not right)
I don't think things will get any better. Liberalists are working now towards normalizing Pedophilia and incest. Things will be much more hard for the generations yet to come
Great video. Thank you for bringing awareness to an issue overlooked back then, that’s still taking place right now. Protect our idols, specially if they’re minors!
omg, I can't believe what I just saw. I won't say that I didn't know about this because I did know but very little, with this video I was able to understand more about the situation.
I am very happy that Taemin has managed to get ahead despite all the difficulties, we will always be there to support him and finally we have him back ❤️
Personally, for me many variety shows are extremely uncomfortable and made me cringe, many times they are so overacted that it is simply a no no for me, if to us viewers make us feel that way I can't imagine for the artists who are there.
All of this makes me very sensitive and is very delicate, really the industries have to stop debuting them so young, at the age of 14 they still don't even find their personality.
The NWJNS thing has me in shock from the first day that we learned about their manager, they are so young. I agree with you, I have seen many comments about "Taemin was 14 years old and look at him" but that is less than the tip of the iceberg what we see.
The irony and nerve of Heechul for making fun of Taemin... I know he's joking around but Taemin is uncomfortable with it but I guess when your the sunbaenim that's your privilege
I don't know much about super junior but I remember Heechul mentioned something like: Just accept it Taemin, it is what it is
WHATT
And I do think this is because Heechul was crazy from the beginning, doing fan service with men and women. I guess it's ok for him if that's his personality trait but Taemin doesn't approve it.
To make things worse, in SM they saw Taemin was very look-alike to Heechul and assumed he had the same personality trait 😢
It should never be anyones privilege to make declarations or assumptions about another -
@@daiishi_kinyoubi I'm not defending Heechul because he was wrong but this is not part of his personality. Because he was so androgynous when he debuted, he wasn't even allowed to speak in interview to not break his persona. The harassment he endured is not less than Taemin and and that time he was very much guarded and rude. He was so on edge that he was dislike by his own fandom and had to leave fan meetings. Sadly, often victims becomes perpetrator.
I love Taemin, he's the best. The strength he has on stage is impressive. I hope he is well and his heart full of love.
When Taemin gets uncomfortable whole SHINee looks so uncomfortable and unhappy, especially Jonghyun looks so done with everything 😓🥺 They always want to protect him💔
It’s sad what these boys had to go through and are still going through. It really makes me sad that these groups have to be on guard 24/7/365 because there’s so many creeps out there. They are all just human beings. Yes, they are beautiful both inside and out but that doesn’t mean people have the right to be disrespectful and nasty to them because of their beauty. I send much love and positivity to every member of every group and hope they know there are so many of us out here that love them for who they are and for how they have helped so many us through difficult times in our lives. They truly deserve all the happiness in the world because they have given so much to all of us.
This video was way overdue. I made the same observation in another video, the one in which he is harassed by the adult men in a classroom setting. SM should be ashamed. SM deliberately sexualized Taemin as a child. They targeted him because of his age. And, they held his ambition to become a successful idol hostage. It was either you do as we say or leave. Even if he had tried to leave, they would have kept him mired in debt. This is why these agencies want to isolate these kids. They want complete control over them. It is the agency that shapes the images of these kids. They become products of the agencies, and these agencies have only one goal: to make money. They typically care very little for the humanity or mental and emotional well-being of the Taemins in the industry. In the US, this would be considered CHILD ABUSE. I am proud of Taemin. He persevered , and he won because he is still standing, standing as a talented, confident young man. I hope he continues to grow and achieve all of his goals. I pray he continues to find much success, peace, and joy.
SM AND min hee jin, do not forget this pdfile biatch
What's really sad is that there are some who consider this not a big deal because he is male. Yet, if he were actually female there would be a huge uproar because of this kind of behavior. No one deserves to be treated like this. I hope that now that he is back people love him because of his talent and not his looks.
I hope all singers and performers are admired because of their talent and not because of the demented, sick sexualisation of perverted, and honestly fake, fans and admierers.
(Apologies for any spelling or punctuation errors)
It makes me happy that he had Jjong to protect and help him. But honestly want to know how the other members feel about it, some make it obvious by their expression(mainly minho), but sometimes I wonder if they just wait until it's over to ask Taemin if he was okay with that they said or did in the interview/show (I do have to keep in mind that all of them were pretty young and that type of stuff would blow over my head as a teen too, so I can't really be judging). Either way i hope they realize what those people said and did was wrong(especially do a child) and shouldn't be normalized.
They probably ask him after the show
@@SHINeebestboys oh I also wanted to point out how his own staff was weird when he was young, their are a couple of times where I felt uncomfortable on how they are with Taemin and specifically him, which just makes me feel more weird because why only Taemin and not the other members. For example, as you said, they often made him dress as a girl. Another thing is that in behind the scenes vids, they often get touchy with him(including back up dancers), and saying weird comments
@@SHINeebestboys Btw I wanted to ask if your planning on making another vid but also involving the fans weird/disgusting behavior towards him and staff. I tend to find these weird videos thar are pretty old and I saw them a while ago because I was binge watching old clips and looking through old shinee fan accounts. But an example I saw, was a staff member carrying taemin on his shoulders and a guy behind him feeling on Taemins butt with his hands, and vid of a back up dancer touching taemins waist but very weird idk how to describe it, and how they joked around in a old vid saying the one of the managers "fell for him"..and a vid of the camera women panning down to taemin legs RIGHT AFTER Taemin said he felt uncomfortable wearing a skirt(the one were he was 14 in a school girl uniform). I feel like the list goes on, it's so sad
@@maggot2259 if possible could you tag me in some of these videos I haven’t seen a lot considering I have been a shawol for only a year if you could I will gladly make another video but I will also try and do some research
@@SHINeebestboys I'll try to find them, and you can look up Taemin and key perform Genie with 2pm members and the comments are so weird, especially in his fancam for that vid, some taemin fans back then said some inappropriate stuff
Teamin should be supported and be respected for his Personality Talents not just for his looks and Appearance certain Netizens need to stop viewing Teamin as a object rather than a human being it’s no wonder the other Shinee members tried to Protect Teamin from the inappropriate and creepy behavior and comments the Netizens don’t realize what difficulties Teamin went through not his career but during his military service as well
Wow, those interview clips (particularly those in the "Sherlock" comeback era) really exemplify the nasty combination of homophobia and misogyny, along with harm of children, that we see normalized in all entertainment industries. Like, so many of the interviewers joked about him basically being gay because of his looks, and those jokes almost always coincided with implications of him basically being a "woman". Not shocking, seeing as there still exists this notion that feminine/queer men want to *be* women.
The misogyny comes from how comfortable these (often) men felt implying sexual things about Taemin for comedy. Using his supposed feminine (implied "gay") traits as fuel for a sexual punchline----ex: the interviewer commenting on his extensions, the comment about his v neck shirt, the "pretty princess" line. The joke in all of these is "haha feminine guy so funny and odd". In the end femininity is the butt of the joke. I'm not surprised such jokes were made about actual girls/women at the time.
most of these clips have shin dong yup in it, which makes it even more concerning because he's still an active mc in the industry. i can think of other instances where he has made idols uncomfortable as well, I just hope that taemin is doing much better and surrounding himself with people who love and support him.
This has always been an issue for me, since I liked SHINee in the very early stages. I started to like kpop thanks to them on 2009, Taemin is 3 years older than me but still I could see the issue and how much he hated being called "pretty". Jonghyun always, always took care of him and I believe he embraced his beauty since move and learned how to "weaponize it" against the media and tell them to f*ck themselves and now he has the control over it, instead of other people. I still feel so sorry for him and so protective for him even though I'm younger haha
As a long time fan I think that now that he’s older he’s more comfortable with his androgynous look and actually took ownership over it - saying he wants to attract more fanboys and that when he’s on stage he wants to be gender neutral with his looks and outfits. Before I think it was more imposed on him and he might felt trapped in it, like a cage. I’m proud of how he matured and evolved despite all of the harassment he endured and that he took ownership over it ❤
As an American shawol since debut, I didn't know how to take their teasing of Taemin because I didn't know if it was a cultural thing I didn't understand. I was freaked out though when they released the Sherlock era media. Just, ugh! Taemin handled all of this with grace and professionalism, but he has talked about how difficult those times were.
This was a good first video for you, so congratulations on a job well done. A gentle suggestion - if possible, please don't use those robotic voice-overs. They rarely get pronunciations right. You have a video about SHINee and Taemin, but they are being pronounced wrong. It makes it seem like you don't know what you're talking about, when obviously you DO know what you're talking about.
he also was heavily sexualised on Sherlock era by Min Heejin and said numerous time that he was uncomfortable. He was 18 in Sherlock.
Thanks for your message and for spreading awareness about these important topics while we can still discuss them before it's too late...
I also hate when people put as an excuse "Kpop has been debuting minors since forever" so what? It's still wrong, people need to listen and pay attention to those "debuted minors" stories... they need to pay attention to Hyuna, to Taemin, sistar, they have more experience.
It's too late now to disband groups with minors, and be aware and spread awareness is the best we can do to protect these young boys and girls dreams... like, recently people want to brush off things for example with Haerin and Bambams situation... idols like Taemin and Hyuna are proof of what "brushing off and take it as a joke or thinking it's not that serious" can really destroy them... the more awareness, the most cautious people should be with their intentions towards these young boys and girls
Its sad also bc alot of times taemin didnt even understand they was being gross
Thank you for this video. Very needed. I hope more and more people watch it.
It always saddens me how companies brand a celebrity and overlook concerning behaviors, not just from the mcs but especially the people who go as far to take pictures, stare and try to leak their nude bodies, while showering during their military service. I genuinely hope Taemin and others haven't been harmed, he's very important to me and many others in the comment section.
I wish jonghyun was still with us, he seemed like such a talented kind hearted man :( god I feel like crying now
It is so cruel to see the members want to protect Taemin but they can't. I can't imagine what SM would have done to them if even one of them tried to stop these creepy interviewers from being inappropriate to Taemin.
Jonghyun told that guy to back off tho
Thank you for making this video! I didn't know about the military thing. It makes me feel sick. I am very very concerned for other idols who have faced/will face similar situations in military.
I was 12 during the Sherlock era and couldn't see the problem with it because to me K-idols were adults, I'm sad that this is what he had to go through.
I'm teen too so i just fangirling because i think he is goodlooking. But i still remember he really hate being called pretty. Now when i became an adult i start to understand everything... And when he used his music to express his feeling and what he been through i can't look or listen to his songs the same. I'm sad and cried when he released Criminal, Under my skin and Guilty. Like i knew what it is. Is he okay? Does he ever happy being a celebrity?
Thanks to made this video. It's so important to stop this kind of behaviours. Taemin deserves more respect because he is an inspiration for many of us for his effort, strong and skills. I hope a healthy present and future for him 💖
all the love for 5HINee, esp Jonghyun & Taemin, so it always breaks my heart to see this things. it reminds me of my experience being a trans man as well- you are never free from objectification, people tend to treat you like a girl if you're not overperforming masculinity, and theres a weird sexualization of pre-medical transition trans bodies.
Thank you for that video. It's about time in the 21. century that we talk about this matter. It's sad but necessary. We are a fandom and should also defend and support our idols so that the companies they are under contract with know that they have a sensitive and powerful
fandom behind them. I know that it works because I'm an ARMY from BTS too. So take notice of all interviews, TV shows, articles etc. and when sth bad happens inundate the companies with complains. That's our power and our duty. That's what makes a good fan. Happy Easter to all. Stay healthy and happy. 🐣🥚🍀🐰🫰👼❤️
im glad that u talked abt it bc i was thinking the same thing but never saw something addressing it and as an nct stan im glad that even though dream debuted very young too Jisung was still protected in terms of sexy concept not to wear revealing clothes which i think is still sadly an exception in kpop to this day.
SHINee is not doing sexy concept too during their early debuted and teen. The public and industry generally really like pretty idols. And Taemin is the youngest and the prettiest at that time. Taemin only doing a sexy concept after his solo debuted and he already adult. I remembered one DJ said Taemin as so beautiful. She said there are so many beautiful thing in this world but he(Taemin) is a hole that suck you in
Taemin is a professional. He can handle a lot more than you think. He is also surrounded by people who love him.
I don’t think they’re implying he can’t handle it, but just because he can handle it doesn’t make it ok.
This is bringing back memories when I first saw Sherlock teasers as a kid. I thought Sherlock was gonna be a sexy concept but ended up doing 360. I never expected this type of video existed.
Typically, people focus on gen 3 or 4 idols on
these types of issues but I'm glad you shine light to it
Thank you
omfg i spoke about this once and some shawols insulted me and downplayed my concerns because "taemin is a grown ass man" so since he's a male adult that means it's impossible for him to be victimized and violated
Same!
Its so hard and heartbreaking to see 😢
i love creators like you, keep doing what you're doing
THANK YOU FOR THIS 🙏🙏🙏
it's a blessing he has (hopefully) a strong mind, not all people could stand this. this is stright up harassment and some people would not be able to take it and leave the job they love, or leave this world...
let's all be good and stay safe! we must talk and have someone to share and be comfortable and feel safe with. please! stay safe!
Younger and older kpop groups have always been sexualized, especially the most handsome or pretty ones. Filters are used to always make them look child like also.
you are so right i fell for him thanks for bringing it up
All the harassment he suffered throughout his career, and in the military service which was brutal, made him sick. I was shocked to watch the news. He is a man now, may he be well and in his right mind. And keep enchanting us with your talent.
Did anything bad happen to him in the military ?
@@zintlemtikitiki6491 Yes. He was harassed by an officer, who pulled him out of the bedroom at dawn to record a video for family members, he was harassed in the shower, his Company did everything to protect him at that time, someone made a drawing of him putting the tattoos, and details of the his physique. He got sick, had depression, these facts were denounced. The army just put him on community service, and he stayed in a barracks all by himself.
@@cristianemartins2551 ow my god that is horrible but I hope that he is better mentally since he’s out💔.
@@zintlemtikitiki6491 Yes. He is
thank you for this video
Bookmarking this to watch later. Already knew about this, but don't feel like watching it, at this specific moment (not in the mood to watch older clips of Taemin being efeminized for others' convenience). So I will come back later, to it. Thank you for making a post about this, though, because it is very important to discuss this.
Also calm down he doesn’t not like being called baby cheese 🧀 as Minho named him that and he often doesn’t hate it as long as we are aware that he is grown old man and is not actually and innocent child it is okay to lightly call him baby cheese as he himself in his vlives act like a child and even told his fans to adopt him lol 😂 the point is if u don’t know that chill u are probably new
I agree, I think Taemin and most Shawol especially loyal fans are very aware of that.
min heejin has been wreaking havoc on the kpop industry for YEARS
I wouldn’t even say that that is only sexualisation. A lot of these instances are straight up sexual harassment.
This video needs more views and this needs to be talked about more. It’s so sad that he went though this. I see a lot of themes in his songs and videos about loss of innocence and being exploited especially now with guilty. That military experience seems like it was very traumatizing and I seriously hope he’s ok mentally. I think putting those things into his art is one way to cope with it. I know he has family and friends who love him and I hope he isn’t afraid to seek help. He’s such an inspiration for me as a hard and selfless worker, and he has helped me come to terms with my own gender identity as well as feelings of grief, guilt, and lost innocence though his Music. I love him so much and he deserves the best.
thank u for the video
I wasn’t a shawol during this early era of Shinee but to see how the industry has continued to debut minors when they’ve done nothing to protect or improve the music industry for idols, staff, and other roles make me wish that idols had a union or some sort of workers rights initiatives.
I know this issue isn’t isolated to South Korea but with how difficult it is for artists to break into the scene there without a company backing them, I hope there will be a movement that addresses how they fail artists from their grueling training regimens to debut and beyond.
Esto supe que pasaba, y calculo que debe seguir pasando en la actualidad , ya que la cantidad de niños que voy viendo aparecer como nuevos ídolos y los próximos que están siendo elegidos en diferentes programas para ser los futuros elegidos , realmente es preocupante ... El K pop se ha convertido mundialmente en un éxito sin precedentes , pero hasta que punto estos nuevos niños que incluso si los ven en los nuevos programas ya se los ve feminizados ,no sé si es porque son sus reales tendencias sexuales o si es porque les piden que tomen esta actitud !!! Les aviso que a mí la sexualidad de las personas no me preocupa en absoluto ..., pero lo que ha pasado con Taemin y con todo el grupo Shinee fue lamentablemente doloroso porque no nos olvidemos que vienen del año 2008 cuando todo sobre el sexo todavía era tabú y más que nada en su país de origen , donde todavía está mal visto . En este momento pienso que ya teniendo todos más de 30 años y adultos calculo que todo esto puede ser superado por ellos, ya son hombres , con muchos años de experiencia en todo sentido ... Ya Jonghyun no está hace muchos años, para proteger a nadie , creo que no por nada paso lo que pasó con el , se debe de haber sentido muy presionado .... lamentablemente . Realmente no se que pasó y que pasa con Key , porque si vemos algunas de sus actitudes podemos pensar que su sexualidad es un signo de pregunta ??? Pero en esta época en la que estamos viviendo, realmente a quien le importa como sos o lo que sos ??? Yo creo que ya esas cosas caducaron hace unos años , pero bueno vivo en Argentina , no vivo en Corea. Lo único que deseo fervientemente y de todo corazón es que estos 4 chicos sigan brillando y que nadie los juzgue por ninguna otra cosa, más que por sus maravillosas presentaciones y sus fantásticas canciones !!! Creo que en ellos quedó clavada la cruz de lo que le pasó a su compañero ( los vi en Buenos Aires en el 2014 ) y eso fue y es algo que me parece que todavía ni ellos ni su fandom han podido superar ... Tengo 68 años vividos a full y he vivido y visto tantas cosas por las cuales me pareció que podía opinar ... Amo a estos chicos y los admiro y seré la primera en darles toda la fuerza para que sigan BRILLANDO ... Cariños desde Argentina 🇦🇷❤️
The problem with ANYTHING in kpop is that artist are considered IDOLS. Fist problem. ALSO, they're not allowed to say anything to ANYONE. LITERALLY
If they show slight discomfort towards a host or fan, they'll receive backlash. And we all know how that mostly ends
I think if they were able to actually say at that moment that they don't like something said or done to them, people will be a bit more considerate. NOT ALL. HUMANS ARE STILL SCREWED UP CREATURES
But sticking up for yourself results in getting backlash, rumors spread, more hate from fans, possible ended career, shows not wanting you on their anymore. It's all crazy in Korea...
The sad part is that idols are made to believe the support from these people are the only thing that keeps their career going. If the whole fandom is dumb enough to turn on you because you don't like being sexualized or called girly or gay all the time (or at all), they're not fans, but psychopaths and need serious help
They also need to be put in their place and silenced
I agree with the entire video. There's only one thing that i have to correct you on, mhj told taemin that he had to go shirtless before the ace photoshoot and not before the sherlock one. Your point about her still stands tho she definitely had a fixation on him and krystal and both are the youngest in their groups and were children when they debuted
Thank you for correcting me!
@@SHINeebestboys no problem!
Who is MHJ? and what happened to this person and Taemin?
@@AliPop min hee Jin is the person in control of new jeans and she was a previous creative director under Sm ent, she made Taemin pose shirtless in a photoshoot and also made a new jeans sing a very controversial song “Cookie”
I really don’t agree w minors debuting they should at least make it 18 minimum. I’m glad taemin is back and he looks healthy but it’s sad at how once he came back he was dragged on the internet :( taemin really needs a break. I’m glad more and more people are talking about what he went through. That Japanese interviewer dude really creeped me out a lot. The whole interview was him being super weird towards taemin. It’s so disgusting.
Thank you for making people aware of this! It's so problematic and sad tbh... I knew about it to some extent, but not this much :(
I'm just glad Taemin had great group members who helped and supported him ❤ Especially Jonghyun it seems 😢
Even though Taemin has pretty face,but he was manly at his young age
3:40 Actually he says 야해 which translates directly to sexual/erotic, a step farther than sensual or sexy. Very inappropriate. If you've seen the content where Taemin teaches Haechan the choreo for Idea you'll see how he himself differenciates both terms and considers his dance sensual NOT sexual.
Oh my goodness, thank you for this video. We feel for Our Precious Taemin. The way was treated and humiliated by television professionals interviewers, it's unacceptable. We wonder how many others went through the same or worse experience. These type of tv interviewers ( Non professionals should be banned, period)! However, we do adore and support our Precious Taemin, no matter what. In case Taemin see this,❤❤ Taemin, we adore you dearly forever and ever. With Lots of Love❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
it's worse because he was literally 14 years old when it was happening and no one was trying to protect him. the only people who had his back were his members and THEY WERE KIDS TOO. sm did nothing for him and it makes me sick inside. no wonder key said that the company isn't like family- they haven't done anything to deserve it.
Someone finally talks about this!! It’s honestly sad that variety show host make it sooo creepy during the earlier times in shinee
You aren’t wrong.
La vedo come te, Taemin è un fenomeno molto strumetalizzato soprattutto all'inizio della sua carriera. Bisogna proteggere questi bambini talentuosi e purtroppo a mio parere non è stato molto protetto. Iniziare a 14 anni e giocare fin da subito su quello che poteva essere la sua sessualità. Si parla di gender ma io vedo solo un ragazzino che sicuramente con il tempo avrebbe capito cosa era e quale fosse la sua sessualità. Essere omossessuali non è un crimine ma ridicolizzare e bramare ciò che possa essere il sogno per molti mi sembra Criminale. Purtroppo la pedofilia esiste e bisogna proteggere questi bambini e ragazzi perchè il mondo adulto è molte volte cattivo. Penso che Taemin ormai grande abbia la consapevolezza di tutto quello che gli è successo e spero che per tutte le sue fragilità venga aiutato. Adoro Taemin il suo talento smisurato, ha lavorato molto per arrivare dove è arrivato. Il successo è strameritato. Gli auguro il meglio e spero che nel futuro possa trovare il suo amore (uomo o donna che sia). Mi fa tenerezza ed amo ed apprezzo come gli altri componenti del gruppo lo sorreggano in primis Jonghyun ... per questo gli Shinee non potranno mai essere paragonati a nessun altro.
Che bello e quanto vero quello che hai scritto 🙏🏼🫶🏻🌸💖
Maybe i consider as a new fan but i literally noticed this issue even when i wasn't a fan at that time, just by watching a few interviews of shinee's earlier days I noticed those issues and it disgusted me so much!
I was looking for someone who talked about it but surprisingly I didn't find anyone. Thank you so much for the video i hope it gets more views, taemin doesn't deserve this at all 🥺
(Sorry if there's mistakes english is not my first language 😅)
Thank you for making this video. I've often thought about how creepy hosts have been to Taemin, even when he was underage. It's so disgusting
the part where they are in the knowing bros show and are making jokes about Taemin being feminine and stuff like that, it was really uncomfortable (even more so for me...)
Some of his interviews make me very uncomfortable. I mean, why were they so creepy towards him. Like, the poor dude.
Most of these clips I saw was from men being gay for taemin video like I understand that hes attractive but the interviewers didn’t have to be creepy and weird.
Yeah same here that’s where I saw them from and I just thought “this isn’t them being gay for him this is them straight up being creepy”
he mentioned he has a genderless charm on suga's suchwita
Genderless charm for his artistry/work