This happened in my neighborhood. One of the responding paramedics related gruesome details about the scene to my friend the next morning that weren’t reported in the news. As horrific as the crime was, I’ve always felt sorry for Michael Dennis and can imagine the brewing rage and blame that must have driven him to it. It’s no excuse for murder but I can understand his pain.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. Totally understand his position. I also like when people comment who actually know the individuals, or live/lived where the crime happened. Thx for sharing!
Agree. No excuse for his horrific crimes. Maybe he should have packed up and moved on. But his heart was broken after his son,s death, and he allowed his rage, grief and hatred towards Doreen to fester, until he had to kill her and her unborn child. A do feel some sympathy for him too.
I don't think Michael was delusional. I think Doreen deliberately set up a situation that would lead to Paul's death because she wanted Paul to die but wanted to be free of criminal liability. I would not be surprised if she instructed Paul to climb through the fence and climb into the pool. She might have even placed Paul in the pool.
@@mattkess3156 Yep, Plutarch knew it way back then. Michael had every reason to go after his ex. Her negligence lead directly to the death or that poor boy. Plus, she cheated on Michael. However, I cannot condone the death of the fetus. Whether the attack cause the miscarriage or not, he had to know that she was pregnant (she was at 8 months).
@@madsdee7803 Incorrect. There is not even an accusation of that, let alone evidence. He chose to not dispute custody because he felt that his ex would do a better job parenting. Sadly, he couldn't have been more wrong. Nice try, misandrist.
Very suspicious that Paul did not want to go home after outings with his father. I strongly suspect he was an outsider in the NEW FAMILY. His step father didn’t want him and may have made Doreen‘s life miserable because of it. She got rid of him either through negligence or through definitive action or non-action. “My Son may be drowning in the pool. Let me go over to the neighbor’s house because I can’t bear to find out. Oh look, he is drowning; let me proceed to not save him until I’m certain he can’t be revived.
That’s actually not very unusual. For a young child, the transition from home to home is stressful and they often express the desire to stay where they are. Also, the primary home is where the child has more rules and mundane tasks and experiences whereas the home the child visits is often the home of dun outings, less strict eating rules, and less of the boring, everyday stuff. I was pretty young when I realized my dad was the one to go to with requests for expensive items and fun experiences. My mom’s house was where I had school, homework, chores, etc.
@Andreamom001 Yeah, I don't think the fact he preferred going to his dad's indicates that he was being abused, was an outsider or was being neglected etc. As you said, it's just common that kids prefer to be with the parent that is less strict, is more fun, doesn't say no or take things away, or nag them to do chores or things they don't want to do. To the OP, the point Dr. Grande was making when Michael and people close to him said "Paul didn't want to go back home when he was with him" was Michael trying to prove he was a good father and that Doreen had a reason to be jealous of Michael, and a reason to want to get rid of Paul. He says she was having affairs and wants to cut off connection to Michael by killing Paul. Honestly that motive sounds a bit far fetched to me, but there's tons of even poorer motives out there for parents to kill their children. I only know what I've heard in this video but a lot of what was said about Michael's opinions, feelings, fears and delusions may not all be facts. And Paul's not here to tell everyone how he really felt either.
I agree with you, going to your neighbors to check on your son is gross negligence and required jail time. It was the 80s though. What Michael did was wrong, but I believe he was correct in his intuition.
@@Andreamom001 That might be what's normal, but this here child died in the pool while his Mom went over to the neighbours to ask them to check on that pool. Which is another indicator that he wasn't exactly the apple of her eye. Wonder why she didn't just give Michael custody or let him build that fence... and what made her press the deeply grieving man for child support money at such a time. From what we heard here she was clearly guilty and should have served time, which would also have saved her life...
Such a sad case, Michael didn’t know how to handle his son dying. Those poor babies who died. That whole family suffered. Thank you for covering this tragedy Dr. Grande
I feel like Michael wasn’t delusional. He was grieving. He didn’t like Doreen in the first place. He super didn’t like Doreen after “she killed Paul”. Michael had no wife and now no child. The courts failed him. I’m sure he was super depressed. He had nothing to live for so he did what he done did. Didn’t matter if there was a ton of evidence pointing directly at him. He had one mission-eliminate Doreen at *any* cost.
What family was hurt? There was no family once the kid died except a “mother” with disgusting personal relationship standards and a guy who was heartbroken multiple times over.
Negligence was definitely at play here. I get that there's going to be times where a parent will temporarily lose sight of their child who is in their care. However, I feel that in Doreen's care she was so distracted that she wasn't keeping a close eye on him whatsoever. Michael's suspicions definitely could have been right if there was a history where Doreen has been neglectful. If she harboured any resentment towards him and Paul then I can definitely see where he believes that Doreen intentionally killed the son they shared. Without much proof though, I can't say for sure. Tragic accidents do happen. A parent becomes distracted or they aren't feeling very good, and then suddenly the child gets into something or they leave the house and they get injured or die as a result. At the same time, we can't exactly dismiss the feelings of the father who had to suffer through the loss of somebody so precious.
It would be easier for her sign away her parental rights and to just give him complete custody of Paul. That would remove both of them from her life. I'm sure he would have agreed to move away with Paul so she could just pretend they didn't exist.
Thank you Dr. Grande for reminding us that putting on a mask of anger usually just hides the presence of deeper and less comfortable emotions like sadness, guilt, shame, hurt and fear.
Red Flag #1: Dorrine married just a few months after meeting Michael. They soon divorced and she remarried shortly thereafter. She had several children due to these relationships. Didn't look good for the future of the children. Unfortunately, the fenceless fence almost insured the tragedy of a child being drowned, especially since a puppy was previously found in the pool
Michael wasn’t delusional. He was grieving and depressed. He didn’t like Doreen in the first place. He super didn’t like Doreen after “she killed Paul”. Michael had no wife and now no child. The courts failed him. I’m sure he was super depressed. He had nothing to live for so he did what he done did. Didn’t matter if there was a ton of evidence pointing directly at him. He had one mission-eliminate Doreen at *any* cost.
I can’t imagine not running to that pool first thing. Going to the neighbor’s??? After her puppy had drowned - who probably was able to dog paddle around for a bit. OMG she sealed his fate. 💔
No able-bodied mother who is properly attached to and genuinely loves her child would go to a neighbor to ask him to check her pool because she suspects that her son may be drowning. Every second counts prior to removing a drowning victim from the water.
Hard to wrap one's head around such a tragic tale. Thankfully, your fab pumkin shirt and the cheery seasonal additions to your decor saved me from falling into a fit of the dismals. Very taken with those cactus candle lights, which I covet more than somewhat.
"It was when he put on the mask that he revealed his true face" is a beautiful line. Really sad case. Divorces are an incredibly scary concept for people who don't know how to handle it amicably. My aunt threw in a window at my uncle and tried to sabotage his new wedding arrangements. It's unbelievable how far some will go to sate the anger they feel to their former partner.
Thank you, Dr. Grande. I remember this case but had forgotten the details of it. I hope the little girl was able to get the help she needed after the murder of her mom, she had to have heard everything while she was hiding.
Nobody wants to mention her little girl, I'm glad you did. I'm not sure what "help" is going to be adequate for a child who heard her mother being murdered.
Thank you for showing concern for the victim who deserves it. So many are on Michael's side, upset because they want to point fingers at Doreen for Paul's death, but in their eagerness they forget the living innocent victim - Deanna.
A Sofa is in plain sight Deanna was of Innocence just like Paul. Michael being a Father knew this.....Revenge is directly linked to a Sole person = Doreen Divorced and Married in the same Year.....Suspicious behaviour 100%
@rezamotori5709 I have a fascination with most Crimes. 1984 marks the Digital side of Storage/Database (2004 Ancestry DNA became public access) A Date is what is known as a Crime/Case number. All Crimes rely on Evidence ONLY TIME CAN ADJUST EVIDENCE......From Decomposition to DNA testing.......New way is Facial Recognition(Big thing in 2024).
So sad. We all regret our parenting mistakes. Intentionally neglecting to protect Paul with an adequate pool fence is definitely gross negligence and not what most loving parents would do. Grateful to GOD that my children all made it to adulthood in spite of my many parenting failures.❤
To Michael, Paul wasn't just a son; he was his only remaining connection to the best version of him. A version he had struggled all his life to reach, given his rough childhood and hearing impairment, and one he probably knew he wouldn't be able to establish once more. Michael considered his son, Paul, to be his best friend too. A friend whom he'd fantasied will be there for him in his dotage. I feel sorry for him despite his heinous offense. Sometimes the simplest of minds orchestrates the most brutal reactions to their self agonies. RIP Paul.
Excuses excuses. He lived with his mother and was an unemployed bum while they were together too. When men think little boys are themselves it's sick. He planned to kill everyone of them and I have no sympathy for a sociopath who used everyone around him including his mother.
Another lesson lurking beneath the surface is bitterness and how it will consume you to the point of sheer madness. While this case is 35 years old the lessons remain timeless in that by harboring hate in his heart the vengeful father committed an act so heinous that it violates the foundation of all spiritual teachings and is the number one commandment “thou shalt not kill.” Michael, if still living, now had sat in a cell removed from society for decades because he was consumed with bitter thoughts and feelings. It doesn’t have to be this way. There was a better way but that’s the tricky part because it requires not being bitter and not blaming others. In the end, we are far better off forgiving ourselves and others because it’s all you can do sometimes.
sounds like michael was missing a few screws to begin with. and you reinforce pools. more than what mommy dear did. and there are also now pet floats so pets can pull themselves out.
The liquor store receipt ensures the husband to claim"his wanting alchohol actually led to something positive!!"....dr. Grande you made my day once again!! Love the shirt!...it shows me that your not ALL business
I was thinking the same thing. The mother's behaviour in regards to Paul's death was beyond reckless. If she truly didn't want him, why didn't she just hand him over to Michael and then focus on her new family? So very sad.
loseing a child has caused many people to not be quite right afterwards. I had a friend that lost her 2 yr. old the same way. She wasn't quite right after. she went to the cementary with gifts frequently. Held it against her husband when he did not. In this case I think he really thought she was guilty. But no matter what the situation he took 2 life's that night. He should pay for his crimes.
I have lost 2 of my sisters, one 2 years old (liver disease) and the other one deleted herself at age 37. My parents have never been the same, and it got worse after the second death. 😢
Hi Dr Grande, have you ever looked into the case of Mike Bollinger? I would love to know if you think he escaped or died in the wilderness. One of his victims was my coworker so this bothers me a lot.
How can a mother be so careless about the swimming pool? Michael saw the potential for drowning. It does not excuse murder, but it was a factor in the child's death. Also, my own personal thought is those jobs back then using sprayers to paint or add some other kind of coating to airplanes were dangerous due to toxins. A mask only goes so far. It is possible he also suffered from brain damage from toxins.
No no it was intentional. She killed her son Paul. Not carelessness. Why would she go to the neighbor to get help? It was a plan so she can have witnesses. The pup drowning was a set up so she can then drown her own son. She was vicious and evil and no I’m not trying to say she deserved to die like this she’s a victim. But, an eye for an eye
Imagine going with a lot of anxiety and depression to a consultation with your psychological therapist and you see him wearing a Halloween shirt just like Dr. Grande is wearing 🤣
Very Entertaining😅 I never fail to admire the way Dr. Grande's narratives build character from the ground up. First, we are informed that Mr. Dennis was born "around" 1950. Odd. In his early life he experienced hearing loss which resulted in having to use hearing aids. This, of course, led to "bullying." Already the identity of another victim of bad circumstances is being created for our enjoyment. On top of that, perhaps innocently, perhaps maliciously, teachers labeled him "disabled." This toxic mix results in "depression" because this combination of circumstances leads to longing for an unattainable girlfriend. 😩 Now he adds a dash of "divorce" which makes the attentive viewer feel ever more deeply the pain and loss of Mr. Dennis. Next, but not last, Mr. Dennis needed to bear the burden of losing his son in a swimming pool drowning. When the case went to trial for negligence in the care of a child, the not guilty verdict devastated Michael. It was, so to speak, the final blow of fate. Now he was on course for murder. A four dollar an hour cut in wages tempted him to take extreme measures to resist fate's downward direction. But like all things earthly, what is built from the ground up must eventually be destroyed by the force of immoral gravity. Thank you.
Cut out? 😳 Dr. Grande and other sources don’t state such a thing. Doreen was close to her delivery date, so perhaps she spontaneously aborted due to the intense physical trauma. Even the new husband thought she miscarried based on what he viewed. Presumably, and without getting too graphic, the baby may have been lying just outside the vaginal canal (cord intact).
I don't think he would have murdered if his lawsuit had succeeded. He felt the court denied him justice; therefore, he felt becoming a vigilante was a viable option.
Welp, this is by far my favorite analysis by Dr. Grande. I drowned when I was 7 yrs old but as I began to feel all the water flooded in my stomach, lungs,..etc I passed out but felt someone pulled my hair & another pushed me from bottom. Yes, I was saved. As you can see, Michael was actually a good father & if I was him, I would be ok sitting the cell & he spared that little girl's life. Also, I've met so many women with traits like Doreen all through my life, even now in 2023✅.🤷♀️
He didn't spare that little girl's life. Not on purpose, anyway... The daughter is now a grown woman, and she has told her story on several crime shows about this case. It's truly horrifying to hear... The little girl was watching TV with her mom when Micheal entered the house and began stabbing her mother. The girl hid behind the couch while her mother was being attacked, and heard all the awful sounds. Afterwards, Michael roamed the house looking for the little girl, calling out her name and telling her to come out. He didn't just leave after killing the Mom- he stuck around and spent some time actively hunting for the little girl. She could hear him opening doors and moving stuff around looking for her. Luckily he didn't find her, because he absolutely would have killed her if he did.
@@emmagatewood3898Wow he really lost it. Avenging on the ex is one thing but no need to go after a child who has nothing to do with it. Sympathy goes after that.
Dorene not finding the missing child as a priority is so sad. Micheal was definitely robbed of everything and I can't belive his lawsuit failed. There's probably more we don't know about him but wow, that'd send me over the edge too.
Please read the actual case on Findlaw. The man had mental health issues and he disemboweled an unborn fetus. That is not how you handle grief, job loss, and a divorce. Most people find other, non-murder ways to cope. Doreen was not found guilty of killing her child (or even manslaughter), and the judge denied Michael's wrongful death suit for good reason. Accidents happen, & they can be absolutely devastating. Murder is intentional, and there were many other ways he could've worked with her to come to a resolution that didn't end up in torture and death. I can't understand how so many seem to think he had a valid motive for such an atrocious act.
@@YTStoleMyUsername Most loving mothers would NOT leave their child in a pool, to then have a neighbor come have a “look-see” before fishing him out. 🤨 Get real. Doreen sounds monstrous too.
Michael asked her to make that pond safer and she didn't. In my personal life, when dealing with day to day things, when I ask someone to do something to prevent further damage or loss of time and they don't do it, then it costs me or them further damage or loss, it is infuriating. Absolutely infuriating. Now to blow that minute feeling out from the river into the ocean, mix that with the loss of your only child. The rage within me would never die. On top of this, she did not try to save her child. I am disgusted with her and I believe she deserves prison. This sweet young boy was neglected, I am angry even thinking about it. One of the mental health professionals said that Michael is over reactive, what an easy thing to say about the man who lost his only child due to stupidity and lack of care. I have never ever read a case and felt for the killer over the victim, but she was a killer herself. An eye for an eye. Fucking horrible.
Unfortunately, there has been another drowning (this time 2 children) in San Jose. I am going to assume this is on your radar and look forward to seeing a video on it in the future.
Poor guy. clearly the mother was negligent and had no care about the impact of losing his son. Sorry my sympathy is with Michael - I know I will be shot down but for some life becomes too unbearable
I agree with you…Doreen killed this child because of Michael. She was sadistic malicious and evil. She killed the pup first though and then proceeded with her plan and erase Michael from her life. Little did she know he entered her life
I felt bad for her at first. But after hearing that she had a poorly made fence around the pool, already had a puppy drown there, ran to the neighbour's instead of the pool, and never bothered to pull Paul out??!! It doesn't sound like an accidental death to me. I don't have a lot of pity for her. However, I feel immensely sad for her baby, and her poor daughter who had to listen to her mother being murdered.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697how any mother could see their child floating in a pool and NOT jump in to try and save them is, to me, a clear sign she didn’t care. Sure everyone reacts to chaos differently BUT this is your child. Your cells, your dna, your essence. There is no way I even let my toddler out of my sight for 10 seconds - and if our dog drowned in the pool I’d sure as sht not have any way my child could get anywhere near it.
What a tragedy, maybe it could even have been prevented if she would have been held accountable for Paul's death, but who knows? Either way he hacked to death a pregnant woman in front of her daughter with a machete. I am not sure how anyone can be on "his side" just because he had an understandable motive. Regardless of the motive, what he did was barbaric and I highly doubt that having his father murder his mother and go to prison for it was what Paul would have wanted for his parents.
You are spot on. He killed her BECAUSE she was pregnant. He absolutely wanted her to feel a loss like he did. I can almost guarantee he cut that baby out of her before she died so she had to see who she was losing before succumbing herself.
If he had cut the baby out of her, I think Dr. Grande would’ve said so. Perhaps the attack caused the baby to abort(?) I also think if he had cut the baby out of her there’s no way he would have said that he didn’t know she was pregnant. I think I’ll look this up now.
No one deserves to be murdered with a machete, but I think that woman would have made me quit life… All those details that kept getting peppered in: her dog drowned in the pool, Michael offered to pay for a fence, she went and got a neighbor to look in the pool, she didn’t jump in and get Paul out, she wanted the final child support payment, they argued over funeral costs. Oh my gosh I’m glad I haven’t had an acrimonious divorce.
Honestly I'm a little shocked by all the people in the comments sympathizing with michael. Killing his ex didn't bring his kid back. The baby she was pregnant with never hurt anybody.
In South Africa, private residential pools must be properly fenced. It’s irrelevant who’s living there. Handing over the task to a neighbour to check on Paul is unbelievable cowardice. Didn’t want to go home to mommy and co. Interesting.
How incredibly sad. Losing a child is unbearable. 😢 I personally have not lost a child and I thank God for that. My sister and my best friend have and their pain was overwhelming. 😢😢
@@Flamsterette, hey Grammer police, thank God you corrected her spelling because I don't think I could survive if you didn't and I'm sure her and everyone else feels the same way.
Michael could have looked after his son himself. Rather than letting a woman he didn't trust care for him, and then becoming a baby killer himself when avenging her.
I am only a little older than Paul would have been if he was alive today. The picture of him with that Trick or Treat bag really hits hard. It just makes me wonder why some of us survive to adulthood and some don't. I didn't have the exact bag, but it was similar, same size, mine was orange. I used it for several years. Trick or treating with the plastic pumpkins were the "new" thing according to my mother; I wanted one but it didn't happen. Clearly it doesn't matter, but i do wonder if Paul thought the same.
What a sad case. I wish the dad would have been able to get custody. Did he ever try? I don’t think the mom killed him on purpose; if she didn’t want the child, she could have easily given him to the dad. I don’t think it was ever a thought. I think she loved her son, but was negligent. I would need to hear more corroborating evidence of willful negligence that happened prior to this event. I would also need to see the pool, the fence that was put in, etc. to form an opinion about that one way, or the other. If it were my pool, and my dog died in it, I would get rid of it, or turn it into a planter. I do think it’s a horrible accident and I think it was due to her negligence. My deepest sympathy for all, but especially the boy, and the little girl who lost her brother and then witnessed the murder of her mother.
Looks and sounds to me like he did everything he could think of to protect the boy while outside of his control. Then, he loses the court case against her for causing/allowing his worst fears to come true. Meanwhile, he's devastated while they're living a typical life, so yeah, I see where his reasoning and actions come from. However, where we disconnect is when he decided to act on the rage, because in so doing, he taught his ex nothing, because she died, and she can't feel the loss he felt, because she's dead, but also, he took a mother from her daughter. That should've been the thought that cooled down the rage. Sure, we can understand his anger towards his ex, but to not consider the other child and how it would impact her is what pushes it over the edge for me. I'm not saying she deserved to die, or that he was justified if kids weren't involved, but in this case, there was a definitive reason to withhold his rage outside of the focus of his rage. Of all the wrongdoing, and potential guilt on her part, he should've understood the pain he was about to unleash on that poor, innocent child for the rest of her life. The daughter was the most innocent victim in his act of murder.
I can’t blame Michael. Dorene’s carelessness caused the death of their son, then she acted like an asshole about it. She also cheated on Michael. Dorene was a horrible person, and causing their son’s death was the final straw for Michael.
@@tnttim9I agree, but on top of Dorene’s attitude, she also made minimal effort to save Paul. Paul died three days later, but might have survived had Dorene not procrastinated in checking the pool.
I wouldn't go as far as to say "can't blame Michael" what happened to his son was absolutely tragic and preventable, but because of the actions he decided to take one more innocent child lost it's life and one child was left without her mother.
7:50 - wrong. He was worse for going to alcohol store. She might be alive. How sad he felt he "had" to get alcohol, which was only for him. Too bad he was not more thoughtful re his vary pregnant wife and young daughter How did Michael know she'd be home without the husband? I think her 2nd pregnancy might have been triggering to him. How sad, but especially the baby would hsve been born soon.
Sometimes ppl/ mental health professionals try to explain away behaviours and sometimes it's very straightforward. He blamed the ex wife for the son's death (rightfully so, she was negligent) and then the dad could not handle the grief from losing his only son and the mom's callous behaviour afterwards (asking for child payment etc) and he decided to kill her. Not right, but simple
Michael lost his marriage and his son. He could not handle the loss. Doreen did not mean to have her son drown in their pool. This union was ill fated from the get go and so tragic.
When my sister was about 3, she accidentally fell into our pool. My dad (who was barbequing and couldn't swim), quickly jumped in the pool to save her. Knowing my father couldn't swim, my brother jumped in and pulled them to the side. Everyone was ok but my father became paranoid and built what looked like the Great Wall Of China around the pool. My father who couldn't swim to save his life jumped in the pool to save his daughter, but this lady was careless enough to let her son drown let alone a puppy? Who wouldn't be angry? I don't condone his actions but I understand his anger. My two cents.
She sent the neighbor to check the Pool? She asked for the Last Child Support Payment? She drowned that boy. And her new Hubby? How drunk do you need to be to slip and slide on the Blood of your wife?
If I'm the neighbor I probably would not have immediately gone over there. What a strange request. Plus she seems like someone I wouldn't even like or trust. So that's just more time wasted as I'm trying to determine what the hell she is getting me into.
Any one can slip in blood, for gosh sake. And he was panicked. Think about what he saw that night. What a ridiculous thing to think, he wouldn't slip in the blood if he was sober? No one said he was drunk, either.
You sound like you might have some experience in murder scenes. I will just take your word for it, unless you are also drunk like he was @@rowanrobbins
This happened in my neighborhood. One of the responding paramedics related gruesome details about the scene to my friend the next morning that weren’t reported in the news. As horrific as the crime was, I’ve always felt sorry for Michael Dennis and can imagine the brewing rage and blame that must have driven him to it. It’s no excuse for murder but I can understand his pain.
His suspicions may have even been correct.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. Totally understand his position.
I also like when people comment who actually know the individuals, or live/lived where the crime happened. Thx for sharing!
Agree. No excuse for his horrific crimes. Maybe he should have packed up and moved on. But his heart was broken after his son,s death, and he allowed his rage, grief and hatred towards Doreen to fester, until he had to kill her and her unborn child. A do feel some sympathy for him too.
I have a young son as well. I can’t even fathom the amount of rage Michael had after finding out how his son died.
I don't think Michael was delusional. I think Doreen deliberately set up a situation that would lead to Paul's death because she wanted Paul to die but wanted to be free of criminal liability. I would not be surprised if she instructed Paul to climb through the fence and climb into the pool. She might have even placed Paul in the pool.
and the circumstances..and after the lawsuit she had the temerity to demand the final child support payment.
The community was wrong to forgive the woman that killed his son.
That poor little girl Deanna hiding and hearing all of that happening. I can't imagine how scared she was after that
When a man has nothing else to live for and nothing else to lose.
No Beast is more Savage than man when possessed with power answerable to his rage.
@@mattkess3156 Yep, Plutarch knew it way back then. Michael had every reason to go after his ex. Her negligence lead directly to the death or that poor boy. Plus, she cheated on Michael. However, I cannot condone the death of the fetus. Whether the attack cause the miscarriage or not, he had to know that she was pregnant (she was at 8 months).
@@THE_CDN he didn't have custody of his son because he was not a good parent.
@@madsdee7803 Incorrect. There is not even an accusation of that, let alone evidence. He chose to not dispute custody because he felt that his ex would do a better job parenting. Sadly, he couldn't have been more wrong. Nice try, misandrist.
... he wears a halloween themed shirt.
a harsh judgement of dr grande but I feel you
Dude the drowning revenge plans with body bags and weights and maps. 😮 holy cow that got me
Very suspicious that Paul did not want to go home after outings with his father. I strongly suspect he was an outsider in the NEW FAMILY. His step father didn’t want him and may have made Doreen‘s life miserable because of it. She got rid of him either through negligence or through definitive action or non-action. “My Son may be drowning in the pool. Let me go over to the neighbor’s house because I can’t bear to find out. Oh look, he is drowning; let me proceed to not save him until I’m certain he can’t be revived.
That’s actually not very unusual. For a young child, the transition from home to home is stressful and they often express the desire to stay where they are. Also, the primary home is where the child has more rules and mundane tasks and experiences whereas the home the child visits is often the home of dun outings, less strict eating rules, and less of the boring, everyday stuff.
I was pretty young when I realized my dad was the one to go to with requests for expensive items and fun experiences. My mom’s house was where I had school, homework, chores, etc.
@Andreamom001 Yeah, I don't think the fact he preferred going to his dad's indicates that he was being abused, was an outsider or was being neglected etc. As you said, it's just common that kids prefer to be with the parent that is less strict, is more fun, doesn't say no or take things away, or nag them to do chores or things they don't want to do.
To the OP, the point Dr. Grande was making when Michael and people close to him said "Paul didn't want to go back home when he was with him" was Michael trying to prove he was a good father and that Doreen had a reason to be jealous of Michael, and a reason to want to get rid of Paul. He says she was having affairs and wants to cut off connection to Michael by killing Paul. Honestly that motive sounds a bit far fetched to me, but there's tons of even poorer motives out there for parents to kill their children. I only know what I've heard in this video but a lot of what was said about Michael's opinions, feelings, fears and delusions may not all be facts. And Paul's not here to tell everyone how he really felt either.
I agree with you, going to your neighbors to check on your son is gross negligence and required jail time. It was the 80s though. What Michael did was wrong, but I believe he was correct in his intuition.
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@@Andreamom001 That might be what's normal, but this here child died in the pool while his Mom went over to the neighbours to ask them to check on that pool. Which is another indicator that he wasn't exactly the apple of her eye. Wonder why she didn't just give Michael custody or let him build that fence... and what made her press the deeply grieving man for child support money at such a time.
From what we heard here she was clearly guilty and should have served time, which would also have saved her life...
Such a sad case, Michael didn’t know how to handle his son dying. Those poor babies who died. That whole family suffered. Thank you for covering this tragedy Dr. Grande
I feel like Michael wasn’t delusional. He was grieving. He didn’t like Doreen in the first place. He super didn’t like Doreen after “she killed Paul”. Michael had no wife and now no child. The courts failed him. I’m sure he was super depressed. He had nothing to live for so he did what he done did. Didn’t matter if there was a ton of evidence pointing directly at him. He had one mission-eliminate Doreen at *any* cost.
What family was hurt? There was no family once the kid died except a “mother” with disgusting personal relationship standards and a guy who was heartbroken multiple times over.
The family of the murdered woman/baby? Dr. G speaks about them in detail…..
That shirt is atrocious. 😡😠🤬
He handled it and I’m sure he okay with his decision
Wow she let her dog AND her kid drown in the pool
On purpose. Michael was on to her.
She's a monster, and kept breeding more.
Negligence was definitely at play here. I get that there's going to be times where a parent will temporarily lose sight of their child who is in their care. However, I feel that in Doreen's care she was so distracted that she wasn't keeping a close eye on him whatsoever. Michael's suspicions definitely could have been right if there was a history where Doreen has been neglectful. If she harboured any resentment towards him and Paul then I can definitely see where he believes that Doreen intentionally killed the son they shared.
Without much proof though, I can't say for sure. Tragic accidents do happen. A parent becomes distracted or they aren't feeling very good, and then suddenly the child gets into something or they leave the house and they get injured or die as a result. At the same time, we can't exactly dismiss the feelings of the father who had to suffer through the loss of somebody so precious.
It would be easier for her sign away her parental rights and to just give him complete custody of Paul. That would remove both of them from her life. I'm sure he would have agreed to move away with Paul so she could just pretend they didn't exist.
The ole desire for alcohol alibi ……lol
"By putting on a mask, he revealed his true nature."
Damn Dr. G, that's *deep.*
Thank you Dr. Grande for reminding us that putting on a mask of anger usually just hides the presence of deeper and less comfortable emotions like sadness, guilt, shame, hurt and fear.
This is so often the case with us humans.
My takeaway from this as well. A very tragic story
Yep. “Hate is a place where a man who can’t stand sadness goes”-Godo
Red Flag #1: Dorrine married just a few months after meeting Michael. They soon divorced and she remarried shortly thereafter. She had several children due to these relationships. Didn't look good for the future of the children. Unfortunately, the fenceless fence almost insured the tragedy of a child being drowned, especially since a puppy was previously found in the pool
Halloween shirt AND a Halloween background? Dr Grande, you're way too good to us. Thanks for the great content once again.
THAT SHIRT! LOL~
That shirts’ badass!!?
I'm surprised he didn't wear a wolf mask.
Michael wasn’t delusional. He was grieving and depressed. He didn’t like Doreen in the first place. He super didn’t like Doreen after “she killed Paul”. Michael had no wife and now no child. The courts failed him. I’m sure he was super depressed. He had nothing to live for so he did what he done did. Didn’t matter if there was a ton of evidence pointing directly at him. He had one mission-eliminate Doreen at *any* cost.
He didn't like Doreen in the first place? What do you know that I don't?
I can’t imagine not running to that pool first thing. Going to the neighbor’s??? After her puppy had drowned - who probably was able to dog paddle around for a bit. OMG she sealed his fate. 💔
Based upon that alone, she should have been found liable 4 his death!
@@gertrudemilhouse5626 I think she killed Paul deliberately and might have placed Paul in the pool herself-perhaps even held him under.
No able-bodied mother who is properly attached to and genuinely loves her child would go to a neighbor to ask him to check her pool because she suspects that her son may be drowning. Every second counts prior to removing a drowning victim from the water.
and she also sealed her own fate
on purpose..I think she saw him there and let it happen
Hard to wrap one's head around such a tragic tale. Thankfully, your fab pumkin shirt and the cheery seasonal additions to your decor saved me from falling into a fit of the dismals. Very taken with those cactus candle lights, which I covet more than somewhat.
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"It was when he put on the mask that he revealed his true face" is a beautiful line.
Really sad case. Divorces are an incredibly scary concept for people who don't know how to handle it amicably. My aunt threw in a window at my uncle and tried to sabotage his new wedding arrangements. It's unbelievable how far some will go to sate the anger they feel to their former partner.
I love the Halloween 🎃 shirt!
Thank you, Dr. Grande. I remember this case but had forgotten the details of it. I hope the little girl was able to get the help she needed after the murder of her mom, she had to have heard everything while she was hiding.
Nobody wants to mention her little girl, I'm glad you did. I'm not sure what "help" is going to be adequate for a child who heard her mother being murdered.
Thank you for showing concern for the victim who deserves it. So many are on Michael's side, upset because they want to point fingers at Doreen for Paul's death, but in their eagerness they forget the living innocent victim - Deanna.
A Sofa is in plain sight Deanna was of Innocence just like Paul.
Michael being a Father knew this.....Revenge is directly linked to a Sole person = Doreen
Divorced and Married in the same Year.....Suspicious behaviour 100%
@@YTStoleMyUsername However, many people here can do both-feel for Michael AND Deanna. 😢
@rezamotori5709 I have a fascination with most Crimes. 1984 marks the Digital side of Storage/Database (2004 Ancestry DNA became public access)
A Date is what is known as a Crime/Case number.
All Crimes rely on Evidence ONLY TIME CAN ADJUST EVIDENCE......From Decomposition to DNA testing.......New way is Facial Recognition(Big thing in 2024).
So sad. We all regret our parenting mistakes. Intentionally neglecting to protect Paul with an adequate pool fence is definitely gross negligence and not what most loving parents would do. Grateful to GOD that my children all made it to adulthood in spite of my many parenting failures.❤
That is authentic and comforting.
To Michael, Paul wasn't just a son; he was his only remaining connection to the best version of him. A version he had struggled all his life to reach, given his rough childhood and hearing impairment, and one he probably knew he wouldn't be able to establish once more. Michael considered his son, Paul, to be his best friend too. A friend whom he'd fantasied will be there for him in his dotage. I feel sorry for him despite his heinous offense. Sometimes the simplest of minds orchestrates the most brutal reactions to their self agonies. RIP Paul.
He hacked a pregnant woman to death with a machete in front of her young child.
Excuses excuses. He lived with his mother and was an unemployed bum while they were together too. When men think little boys are themselves it's sick. He planned to kill everyone of them and I have no sympathy for a sociopath who used everyone around him including his mother.
I absolutely love the Halloween themed stuff
Another lesson lurking beneath the surface is bitterness and how it will consume you to the point of sheer madness. While this case is 35 years old the lessons remain timeless in that by harboring hate in his heart the vengeful father committed an act so heinous that it violates the foundation of all spiritual teachings and is the number one commandment “thou shalt not kill.” Michael, if still living, now had sat in a cell removed from society for decades because he was consumed with bitter thoughts and feelings. It doesn’t have to be this way. There was a better way but that’s the tricky part because it requires not being bitter and not blaming others. In the end, we are far better off forgiving ourselves and others because it’s all you can do sometimes.
"No kidding" might be the second worse response to finding out your ex wife is dead. OJs " who killed her" being the first.
😅😅. You actually pity that vile witch. Misplaced empathy 🤡
“Your kidding” vs no kidding.. like he was pretending to be in disbelief of the outrageous news
You’re*
I feel bad for Paul, the unborn baby, and the puppy.😢
And the little girl, Deanna (sp?). I hope she has found peace somehow. Victims of circumstance unfortunately.
@@CameronInEgyptsLand oh yes. Thanks Melissa. 👍🏻
sounds like michael was missing a few screws to begin with. and you reinforce pools. more than what mommy dear did. and there are also now pet floats so pets can pull themselves out.
Can just imagine how often Charles is making alcohol runs in the years afterward.
thanks for remembering the poor pup
😟 the young girl was hiding while... oh no... Rest In Peace to that the young boy Paul, the Mother & unborn.. how truly horrific.
Agree with your analysis & reasoning, how diagnosis is difficult. His throwing knife 🗡 in air story was ridiculous🙄🎃 Thanks Dr G😊💕💕
The liquor store receipt ensures the husband to claim"his wanting alchohol actually led to something positive!!"....dr. Grande you made my day once again!! Love the shirt!...it shows me that your not ALL business
He served up that vengeance 😬 Yikes!
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
Another great analysis
Dr. Grande’a channel is one of the best things ever
Really sad case, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
Great Halloween decorations! Happy Halloween, Dr. Grande!👻🍂🎃🍁
Its too bad Paul couldn't have just stayed with his father. What a horrible tragedy. The death of his son drove him over the edge sadly.
I was thinking the same thing. The mother's behaviour in regards to Paul's death was beyond reckless. If she truly didn't want him, why didn't she just hand him over to Michael and then focus on her new family? So very sad.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 to punish Michael
@@julesvern-u4e - So incredibly awful when a parent hates their ex more than they love their child. Poor Paul.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697you should look up the various statistics on the absurd vindictiveness women have in divorce and cheating situations
Glad the general public still have a functioning moral compass as most comments to this story indicate.
Those are some Great Pumpkins, Dr. G.!!
The scariest stories are the real stories.
That's a nice shirt, Dr Grande. Love your content.
loseing a child has caused many people to not be quite right afterwards. I had a friend that lost her 2 yr. old the same way. She wasn't quite right after. she went to the cementary with gifts frequently. Held it against her husband when he did not.
In this case I think he really thought she was guilty. But no matter what the situation he took 2 life's that night. He should pay for his crimes.
loseing? DUMBBELL!!
I have lost 2 of my sisters, one 2 years old (liver disease) and the other one deleted herself at age 37. My parents have never been the same, and it got worse after the second death. 😢
@@Tryp-j9d
The dumbbell here is you.
@@NickanM ONLY an IMBECILE can’t spell LOSING!!!
Hi Dr Grande, have you ever looked into the case of Mike Bollinger? I would love to know if you think he escaped or died in the wilderness. One of his victims was my coworker so this bothers me a lot.
How can a mother be so careless about the swimming pool? Michael saw the potential for drowning. It does not excuse murder, but it was a factor in the child's death. Also, my own personal thought is those jobs back then using sprayers to paint or add some other kind of coating to airplanes were dangerous due to toxins. A mask only goes so far. It is possible he also suffered from brain damage from toxins.
No no it was intentional. She killed her son Paul. Not carelessness. Why would she go to the neighbor to get help? It was a plan so she can have witnesses. The pup drowning was a set up so she can then drown her own son. She was vicious and evil and no I’m not trying to say she deserved to die like this she’s a victim. But, an eye for an eye
Honestly, the only issues I have with his crime is that the child was present, and Charles could've been possibly falsely imprisoned.
I assumed Dolores was a child, but maybe she was not
I think you are right regarding the fumes.
@@preciousgem6506Anything is possible. That could be a plot for a fictional crime novel. Authors do extrapolate from real cases.
That shirt is simply god tier. Bravo Dr G.
He didn’t contest the custody arrangement because he thought his son would be safe.
My heart is so broken for them all. 💔
People with nothing left to lose can be very dangerous.
An actual Halloween Horror story.
Sadder than any words can say.
I really like how your explain cases Dr. G
Imagine going with a lot of anxiety and depression to a consultation with your psychological therapist and you see him wearing a Halloween shirt just like Dr. Grande is wearing 🤣
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Lmao
Lol, I didn't notice. Went back to the video after reading your comment. Dr. Grande...😂 That's a loud shirt! 🤣
Very Entertaining😅
I never fail to admire the way Dr. Grande's narratives build character from the ground up. First, we are informed that Mr. Dennis was born "around" 1950. Odd. In his early life he experienced hearing loss which resulted in having to use hearing aids. This, of course, led to "bullying." Already the identity of another victim of bad circumstances is being created for our enjoyment. On top of that, perhaps innocently, perhaps maliciously, teachers labeled him "disabled."
This toxic mix results in "depression" because this combination of circumstances leads to longing for an unattainable girlfriend. 😩 Now he adds a dash of "divorce" which makes the attentive viewer feel ever more deeply the pain and loss of Mr. Dennis.
Next, but not last, Mr. Dennis needed to bear the burden of losing his son in a swimming pool drowning. When the case went to trial for negligence in the care of a child, the not guilty verdict devastated Michael. It was, so to speak, the final blow of fate. Now he was on course for murder. A four dollar an hour cut in wages tempted him to take extreme measures to resist fate's downward direction. But like all things earthly, what is built from the ground up must eventually be destroyed by the force of immoral gravity. Thank you.
Poor little Paul and the little baby cut out of Doreen's womb and killed. What horror.
Cut out? 😳 Dr. Grande and other sources don’t state such a thing. Doreen was close to her delivery date, so perhaps she spontaneously aborted due to the intense physical trauma. Even the new husband thought she miscarried based on what he viewed. Presumably, and without getting too graphic, the baby may have been lying just outside the vaginal canal (cord intact).
I don't think he would have murdered if his lawsuit had succeeded. He felt the court denied him justice; therefore, he felt becoming a vigilante was a viable option.
Welp, this is by far my favorite analysis by Dr. Grande. I drowned when I was 7 yrs old but as I began to feel all the water flooded in my stomach, lungs,..etc I passed out but felt someone pulled my hair & another pushed me from bottom. Yes, I was saved. As you can see, Michael was actually a good father & if I was him, I would be ok sitting the cell & he spared that little girl's life. Also, I've met so many women with traits like Doreen all through my life, even now in 2023✅.🤷♀️
I nearly drowned too, but unlike Paul’s mother, mine decided to save my life when she saw me lifeless in the pool.
He didn't spare that little girl's life. Not on purpose, anyway... The daughter is now a grown woman, and she has told her story on several crime shows about this case. It's truly horrifying to hear... The little girl was watching TV with her mom when Micheal entered the house and began stabbing her mother. The girl hid behind the couch while her mother was being attacked, and heard all the awful sounds. Afterwards, Michael roamed the house looking for the little girl, calling out her name and telling her to come out. He didn't just leave after killing the Mom- he stuck around and spent some time actively hunting for the little girl. She could hear him opening doors and moving stuff around looking for her. Luckily he didn't find her, because he absolutely would have killed her if he did.
@@emmagatewood3898Wow he really lost it. Avenging on the ex is one thing but no need to go after a child who has nothing to do with it. Sympathy goes after that.
One of the most horrifying things I've ever read about.
Dorene not finding the missing child as a priority is so sad. Micheal was definitely robbed of everything and I can't belive his lawsuit failed. There's probably more we don't know about him but wow, that'd send me over the edge too.
Please read the actual case on Findlaw. The man had mental health issues and he disemboweled an unborn fetus. That is not how you handle grief, job loss, and a divorce. Most people find other, non-murder ways to cope.
Doreen was not found guilty of killing her child (or even manslaughter), and the judge denied Michael's wrongful death suit for good reason. Accidents happen, & they can be absolutely devastating. Murder is intentional, and there were many other ways he could've worked with her to come to a resolution that didn't end up in torture and death. I can't understand how so many seem to think he had a valid motive for such an atrocious act.
@@YTStoleMyUsername Are you the official Doreen apologist? 🙄
@@YTStoleMyUsername Most loving mothers would NOT leave their child in a pool, to then have a neighbor come have a “look-see” before fishing him out. 🤨 Get real. Doreen sounds monstrous too.
Michael asked her to make that pond safer and she didn't. In my personal life, when dealing with day to day things, when I ask someone to do something to prevent further damage or loss of time and they don't do it, then it costs me or them further damage or loss, it is infuriating. Absolutely infuriating. Now to blow that minute feeling out from the river into the ocean, mix that with the loss of your only child. The rage within me would never die. On top of this, she did not try to save her child. I am disgusted with her and I believe she deserves prison. This sweet young boy was neglected, I am angry even thinking about it. One of the mental health professionals said that Michael is over reactive, what an easy thing to say about the man who lost his only child due to stupidity and lack of care. I have never ever read a case and felt for the killer over the victim, but she was a killer herself. An eye for an eye. Fucking horrible.
Dr Grande, sir, I applaud that shirt! 👏🏻
Thanks for the Halloween themed shows, makes it fun!
What a strange case . Never heard of it . Thanks for covering it Dr. Grande
Unfortunately, there has been another drowning (this time 2 children) in San Jose. I am going to assume this is on your radar and look forward to seeing a video on it in the future.
Yet another viewer who loves your shirt!
Poor guy. clearly the mother was negligent and had no care about the impact of losing his son. Sorry my sympathy is with Michael - I know I will be shot down but for some life becomes too unbearable
I agree with you…Doreen killed this child because of Michael. She was sadistic malicious and evil. She killed the pup first though and then proceeded with her plan and erase Michael from her life. Little did she know he entered her life
I felt bad for her at first. But after hearing that she had a poorly made fence around the pool, already had a puppy drown there, ran to the neighbour's instead of the pool, and never bothered to pull Paul out??!! It doesn't sound like an accidental death to me. I don't have a lot of pity for her. However, I feel immensely sad for her baby, and her poor daughter who had to listen to her mother being murdered.
They're both in the wrong. Doreen deserved to pay but Michael shouldn't have killed her when pregnant.
You're insane. You feel sympathy for a murder?! Gross.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697how any mother could see their child floating in a pool and NOT jump in to try and save them is, to me, a clear sign she didn’t care. Sure everyone reacts to chaos differently BUT this is your child. Your cells, your dna, your essence. There is no way I even let my toddler out of my sight for 10 seconds - and if our dog drowned in the pool I’d sure as sht not have any way my child could get anywhere near it.
What a tragedy, maybe it could even have been prevented if she would have been held accountable for Paul's death, but who knows? Either way he hacked to death a pregnant woman in front of her daughter with a machete. I am not sure how anyone can be on "his side" just because he had an understandable motive. Regardless of the motive, what he did was barbaric and I highly doubt that having his father murder his mother and go to prison for it was what Paul would have wanted for his parents.
I ❤️ your shirt, Dr. Grande.
Love the shirt! Thank you, awesome videos 😃
You are spot on. He killed her BECAUSE she was pregnant. He absolutely wanted her to feel a loss like he did. I can almost guarantee he cut that baby out of her before she died so she had to see who she was losing before succumbing herself.
If he had cut the baby out of her, I think Dr. Grande would’ve said so. Perhaps the attack caused the baby to abort(?) I also think if he had cut the baby out of her there’s no way he would have said that he didn’t know she was pregnant. I think I’ll look this up now.
The reports I read said he cut it out and cut off a foot from it.@@duvessa2003
Tragedy upon tragedy.
No one deserves to be murdered with a machete, but I think that woman would have made me quit life… All those details that kept getting peppered in: her dog drowned in the pool, Michael offered to pay for a fence, she went and got a neighbor to look in the pool, she didn’t jump in and get Paul out, she wanted the final child support payment, they argued over funeral costs. Oh my gosh I’m glad I haven’t had an acrimonious divorce.
I love your shirt, Dr. Grande!! 🎃
Honestly I'm a little shocked by all the people in the comments sympathizing with michael. Killing his ex didn't bring his kid back. The baby she was pregnant with never hurt anybody.
Happy Halloween to you and your family Dr Grande! Your Halloween shirt is great!
In South Africa, private residential pools must be properly fenced. It’s irrelevant who’s living there.
Handing over the task to a neighbour to check on Paul is unbelievable cowardice.
Didn’t want to go home to mommy and co. Interesting.
How incredibly sad. Losing a child is unbearable. 😢 I personally have not lost a child and I thank God for that. My sister and my best friend have and their pain was overwhelming. 😢😢
*LOSING *OVERWHELMING
LOOSING a child means that you have set the kid free. BAD SPELLING.
Michael avenged his son's d**th.
@@Flamsterette, hey Grammer police, thank God you corrected her spelling because I don't think I could survive if you didn't and I'm sure her and everyone else feels the same way.
@@moonchild7542 *GRAMMAR
@@yahnservices1978 You can say DEATH online. 😂🙄
Michael could have looked after his son himself. Rather than letting a woman he didn't trust care for him, and then becoming a baby killer himself when avenging her.
Love you and your shirt. YOU ROCK.
Knife flipping is a lost art. 😆
Love the themed shirt Dr Grande!! ❤❤❤
And, upon putting my glasses on, I love your Halloween decor, too! Have a good day, Dr. Grande. 🌵🎃
We had a 16 year old dog drown in our pool; that was traumatic enough. Can't imagine having a child drown. No winners here. Sad story.
I am only a little older than Paul would have been if he was alive today. The picture of him with that Trick or Treat bag really hits hard. It just makes me wonder why some of us survive to adulthood and some don't. I didn't have the exact bag, but it was similar, same size, mine was orange. I used it for several years. Trick or treating with the plastic pumpkins were the "new" thing according to my mother; I wanted one but it didn't happen. Clearly it doesn't matter, but i do wonder if Paul thought the same.
That is a fabulous shirt! 😊
Love the Halloween garb! Love your show❤
I've been watching to see if Holloween decor would find a place on your shelving. Great job and fun decor.
Rocking shirt Dr. grande!
This is a tragic story. I understand his anger.
What a sad case. I wish the dad would have been able to get custody. Did he ever try? I don’t think the mom killed him on purpose; if she didn’t want the child, she could have easily given him to the dad. I don’t think it was ever a thought. I think she loved her son, but was negligent. I would need to hear more corroborating evidence of willful negligence that happened prior to this event. I would also need to see the pool, the fence that was put in, etc. to form an opinion about that one way, or the other. If it were my pool, and my dog died in it, I would get rid of it, or turn it into a planter. I do think it’s a horrible accident and I think it was due to her negligence. My deepest sympathy for all, but especially the boy, and the little girl who lost her brother and then witnessed the murder of her mother.
I gave this video a Like the second it started based solely on Dr. Grande's shirt 🎃 Now to enjoy the rest!
Vengence is a terrible curse. Well presented explanation of psychological imbalance contributing to such a murder. Thanks Dr. Grande
Looks and sounds to me like he did everything he could think of to protect the boy while outside of his control. Then, he loses the court case against her for causing/allowing his worst fears to come true. Meanwhile, he's devastated while they're living a typical life, so yeah, I see where his reasoning and actions come from. However, where we disconnect is when he decided to act on the rage, because in so doing, he taught his ex nothing, because she died, and she can't feel the loss he felt, because she's dead, but also, he took a mother from her daughter. That should've been the thought that cooled down the rage. Sure, we can understand his anger towards his ex, but to not consider the other child and how it would impact her is what pushes it over the edge for me. I'm not saying she deserved to die, or that he was justified if kids weren't involved, but in this case, there was a definitive reason to withhold his rage outside of the focus of his rage. Of all the wrongdoing, and potential guilt on her part, he should've understood the pain he was about to unleash on that poor, innocent child for the rest of her life. The daughter was the most innocent victim in his act of murder.
I have to agree
Plus focusing on revenge destroys your own life, even if there were no innocent children involved.
@@JocieFire Anger is always a double-edged sword.
Mrs. Grande definitely bought that shirt for Dr. Grande 😁
I like the shirt!! Snazzy!! Lol. Great job Dr.Grande!!
“Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”
Full stop. I love your shirt! Ok, carry on ❤
I can’t blame Michael. Dorene’s carelessness caused the death of their son, then she acted like an asshole about it. She also cheated on Michael. Dorene was a horrible person, and causing their son’s death was the final straw for Michael.
And she compounded it with her heartlessness. A little compassions may have saved her a gruesome death.
Agree
@@tnttim9agree
@@tnttim9I agree, but on top of Dorene’s attitude, she also made minimal effort to save Paul. Paul died three days later, but might have survived had Dorene not procrastinated in checking the pool.
I wouldn't go as far as to say "can't blame Michael" what happened to his son was absolutely tragic and preventable, but because of the actions he decided to take one more innocent child lost it's life and one child was left without her mother.
Cant say i have much sympathy for Doreen. She seems as caring as a fly, but her poor daughter. She lost her 2 siblings and a mom
I am a very level headed man, but I truly don't know how I'd react if some else's negligence killed one of my kids.
7:50 - wrong. He was worse for going to alcohol store. She might be alive.
How sad he felt he "had" to get alcohol, which was only for him. Too bad he was not more thoughtful re his vary pregnant wife and young daughter
How did Michael know she'd be home without the husband?
I think her 2nd pregnancy might have been triggering to him. How sad, but especially the baby would hsve been born soon.
Sometimes ppl/ mental health professionals try to explain away behaviours and sometimes it's very straightforward. He blamed the ex wife for the son's death (rightfully so, she was negligent) and then the dad could not handle the grief from losing his only son and the mom's callous behaviour afterwards (asking for child payment etc) and he decided to kill her. Not right, but simple
Michael lost his marriage and his son. He could not handle the loss. Doreen did not mean to have her son drown in their pool. This union was ill fated from the get go and so tragic.
When my sister was about 3, she accidentally fell into our pool. My dad (who was barbequing and couldn't swim), quickly jumped in the pool to save her. Knowing my father couldn't swim, my brother jumped in and pulled them to the side. Everyone was ok but my father became paranoid and built what looked like the Great Wall Of China around the pool. My father who couldn't swim to save his life jumped in the pool to save his daughter, but this lady was careless enough to let her son drown let alone a puppy? Who wouldn't be angry? I don't condone his actions but I understand his anger. My two cents.
Hi Dr Grande, Good morning. Excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Happy Halloween.
That wolf mask was sinister and cool
Thank you Dr. Grande I sure hope no one in a wolf costume comes to my door for Halloween!!!!
Love your Halloween shirt, Dr. Grande! 🎃
She sent the neighbor to check the Pool? She asked for the Last Child Support Payment? She drowned that boy. And her new Hubby? How drunk do you need to be to slip and slide on the Blood of your wife?
If I'm the neighbor I probably would not have immediately gone over there. What a strange request. Plus she seems like someone I wouldn't even like or trust. So that's just more time wasted as I'm trying to determine what the hell she is getting me into.
Any one can slip in blood, for gosh sake. And he was panicked. Think about what he saw that night. What a ridiculous thing to think, he wouldn't slip in the blood if he was sober? No one said he was drunk, either.
You sound like you might have some experience in murder scenes. I will just take your word for it, unless you are also drunk like he was @@rowanrobbins
drunk as a skunk@@rowanrobbins
@@rowanrobbins yeah, people don't realize how slippery blood is. It's way worse that water.