Having led that lifestyle for fifteen years (rock climbing and mountaineering)I can count the number of well-balanced people I encountered in the climbing community on the fingers of one hand. If everything is going good in your life, you don’t get the idea to f*k it all up by going climbing, and after fifteen years the number of people that I knew, and climbed with, who are now dead is large enough to dispel any notion that your experience, strength, and endurance will save your life in an emergency. The ultimate irony is that one very famous climber that I know, who made a career out of risking his life on many notable ascents, permanently injured himself not by mountaineering, but slipping on a patch of ice on the steps in front of his house.
Yep, go to the beach and swim, that's where we belong. Use life-saving buoyancy equipment. Oh, hear, hear. Foolishness. We don't belong on high mountains. Just look at them in photos. Not enough oxygen, bad weather. Go to the beach and swim, humans.
I couldn’t agree more. I led this lifestyle for several years in the PNW & Nepal and I’m just not enamored with it anymore. I usually signed up with a formal mountaineer group for the more technical climbs. The last one up Mt Baker with a well known outfit from Seattle made me just say enough. Nobody died but it went so awful I just stood there on the side of the mtn like Forest Gump and said “I’m tired, I’m gonna go home now” and I was seriously done with this stupid shit forever!!
Nice synopsis! I'm one of the partners at the company that developed this this film - Film Rescue International. I do want to mention that the process to get these images from the film wasn't not at all like a normal film process. The film did in fact require a lot of special attention to get as good as images as we were able to salvaged from it. It did help that this film had the advantage of long term cold storage but on the other hand, the disadvantage of a lot of extraterrestrial radiation as would be found at these high altitudes and the fact it did experience some small amount of wet and dry cycling.
@@anothereero It was Kodak color negative film. Kodak has always made the highest quality films with high silver content. Even undeveloped, they have stood up the best over time compared to other brands. On the other hand though, due to the nature of the Kodachrome, these emulsions didn't stand up well over time undeveloped - but of course they have stood up well if they had been developed in a timely manner.
@@gregmiller9957 Hi Greg! You must be the Greg who runs Film Rescue International! Thank you for such a thoughtful comment. I was just asking because I got into a discussion with someone about what name of the Kodak film it was. I know Kodachrome can’t be developed in color anymore and was wondering if it was any other Kodak color film like Verichrome or if they had a different generic type that time besides Kodachrome since the scans look amazing and you are the best expert to ask.
Glad you include my country for once. There have been many deaths in Aconcagua, it is very much respected here. Just recently a few esperienced climbers died in a "easier" mountain in the Andes. You can never be too confident.
Another interesting video: piecing together a mountain mystery after every member of the expedition has passed away (with only a roll of film to share the past's secrets). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
Cerebral edema, lack of oxygen and hypothermia.... People don't make very good decisions in that state. They were in big trouble when the first guy decided to go back down after camping the night. They should have all gone back, but none of them were thinking clearly anymore. Just task orientated and delusional.
I climbed lots of peaks. Sometimes in sandals. When the snow got thick and my socks became saturated I turned back for the most part. In order to face the summit another day.
If I ever did something like this, it would only be with someone I was close to, who probably wouldn’t abandon me on a mountain. The organizer of the expedition checked out early leaving most of his group and then the tour guide left to assist an ill hiker. So it basically became every man/woman for themselves. I understand if they were feeling ill, close to death they may not feel inclined to care about the whereabouts of a stranger but that’s why I would feel more comfortable with someone I had a personal relationship with.
Your joke of an attack cow that needs to be arrested and the jokes about what authorities expected to see on the film, was flipping hilarious. 😂😂 You have such a unique humor that makes people laugh, while staying respectful toward the victims in each case. I laughed so hard. Your humor is one-of-a-kind. ❤
@@adriel7229 I actually thought it was pretty funny.🤣 And the camera footage joke was hilarious also. The way he states the obvious in alot of his jokes is what gets me laughing. 😂
Although "teamwork" in the technical sense may not be exactly what's needed on a non-technical mountain, team coordination is vital. For example, it is important that the team choose a pace that works for everyone. It is also important that team members are vetted for experience. It sounds like these people tried to ascend too quickly - at least too quickly for some - and that's what got them into trouble. Even if you take an every-man-for-himself approach, sick, lost and dying teammates are going to endanger everyone, as they did in this case. I would never climb a serious mountain with a bunch of strangers I met for the first time at the airport.
I appreciate your spot on analysis of the cast of characters in this mountain tragedy, Dr. Grande. It is relatable to the popular after school sitcom, Gilligan’s Island. Here, a group of strangers who had no reason to trust each other came together to climb a mountain. A mountain is very much like an island where no one is self-sufficient and everyone needs to rely on each other. The lesson learned in this tragedy is “inefficiency and dangerousness are welcomed” in the absence of teamwork. 👍👏🙋🏻♀️
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏 This is off subject but I lost my grandmother two years ago. She was my best friend and my soul sister. Upon her passing the song "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" kept playing through my thoughts (though it wasn't a track that I'd ever frequently listened to.) Today I had one of those days where I missed her extra extra extra. Then tonight I was notified that you posted this video. A big, salty tear rolled down my cheek and onto my smile. I appreciate you Sir
It’s the same with scuba diving! Indeed any adventure sport people become overly confident(grandiose) in their abilities to overcome the power of nature.
The sort of mountain climbers you hear on this channel, absolutely. But this is a "disaster rubberneck" channel. There are a lot of mountaineering clubs and climbers that tackle more suitable mountains, they do so well prepared both individually and as teams, basically "not the same." But of course, those clubs and climbers do not make the headlines and wouldn't be an interesting subject for Dr Death.
Thank you Dr Grande for making my daily commute a little easier. I always put on your daily upload on my radio. Well done, I hope you get to 2M subs one day 🙏
I'm surprised people would even think she was murdered. A group of inexperienced hikers tried to climb a mountain and when their guide left, they died. That's not terribly surprising?
Many don’t understand how quickly survivability can change on a hike. I was in shape and cocky and did an unprepared hike in Central America. After little sleep and drinking the night prior, my body was unbeknownst to me set up for disaster. Cramped up halfway up a 5hour hike and couldn’t move but a few feet every few minutes. I was most likely knocking on the door of heatstroke, but still had the ability to perspire. Fortunately, my companion that day was a nurse.
I think unfortunately some ppl simply Want to believe the more outlandish/shocking version of events. Imo, this goes for all types situations ESPECIALLY when one is unfamiliar with whatever activity the subjects were engaging in at the time in question. Sadly this carries over to jurors, who have the fate of people s' lives in their hands... that's one of the MANY flaws w/our "Jury of Your Peers" system that we currently have.....
Janet was a very experienced climber, having gone on several climbing expeditions around the world. Carmie was also an experienced climber. The guide was certainly not particularly experienced, having climbed this route only once. Whether it is altitude sickness, hypothermia, or a fall, they can all be experienced by veteran hikers. It seems unconscionable to me that Janet was left still alive on the mountain, and when she did not return, no attempt was made to find her.
@@tarstarkusz I haven’t been in all three of these conditions together, but I can imagine that they would be dangerous without having been in them. If I ever desired to climb, such a mountain, I’d want the climbing team to have climbed with me before on small mountains with people I can trust
@@PerishingForLackOfKnowledge teamwork involves equality of input, socialism involves equality of outcome irregardless of personal input, so that comparison doesn’t make sense.
Unless they carried o2 with them, it’s not surprising that things went badly at very high elevations. As soon as a person feels any symptom of altitude sickness I’ve been told to drink lots of water & descend immediately. Janet died doing what she loved, but falling on a pick axe would be a very bad, slow death. A couple yrs ago a young woman hiking & climbing in Colorado w/ a small group died of altitude sickness, when all her friends knew she was sick, she went to bed & died. If they’d taken her down to a lower elevation it might have saved her life.
@@rickjames5998 While most are aware that altitude sickness above 10,000 ft, not many realize it can happen at much lower altitude. And if they were inexperienced, they most likely didn't recognize the symptoms of altitude sickness.
@rickjames5998 O2=oxygen. They should have carried and/or used oxygen canisters at that altitude, but it doesn't sound like they did. It sure would have helped.
Hikers/climbers die or disappear on the mountains in Colorado every year and the highest don't even reach 15,000 feet above sea level. Some of those victims are described as being very experienced, but sometimes even they make bad decisions or are just unlucky, stepping on the wrong rock or dealing with unexpected severe weather. People die on mountains! (Just like they die on the roads or falling down stairs.)
I gotta give it to people that like climbing, running and doing very physical stuff because I absolutely have no desire to do any of that. I see people running in the morning omw to work and it amazes me that people like doing that because for me it would be punishment lol
Hello Dr. Grande . I love your channel and i believe you have extremely good insight and analysis of the people involved in the case you cover at the time. Thank you ❤
Dawn Wells, who played Mary Ann Summers on Gilligan's Island, went to school at Stephens College (back in the day) which was about a block away where I lived at when I went to Mizzou for grad school. Those found cameras with undeveloped film are mysterious! It's easier to build a mystery in one's head when the potential suspects are in a location that is completely out of sight.
I live in a rural ski resort town in northern Colorado at 8500 feet above sea level. We get tons of flat lander tourists who come unprepared at this elevation, and they can barely handle it. My husband dealt with altitude sickness for almost 2 months when we moved here from Long Island, NY. I never had it, but it definitely affected my husband. Tourists need to stay hydrated and keep an eye out for their O2 levels. Most don't, and they end up in our ER. Living at this altitude is very difficult for some....but I love it!
Thank you for this and all your other videos. I always enjoy your take on these interesting episodes. Many of them I've never heard of, such as this intriguing case. I hate heights, so I could never go climbing, and admire anyone who can go on this type of adventure. :)
While I enjoy your perspectives on subjects I dont always agree with you. As a alpinist (successful one I'm still here) I wouldn't ever climb with someone that I didn't vet first. Head injuries are common in a fall and many folks impale themselves with their ice tools. These folks should never have come together for this climb. We all climb for our own reasons, the smart ones, read balanced, are still here.
I don't know why people just have to put themselves in mountains that are so dangerous. I have read many books on mountain climbing. The one book "High Crimes: The Fate of Everest in an Age of Greed" is an excellent read.
Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer is a classic, gripping account of an Everest climb gone wrong. One of my all-time heroes is the guy who was left for dead twice--and survived!!
Honestly every time I watch a video about a mountaineering disaster I find myself thinking that I do not understand mountaineers. I enjoy a good hike and maybe a bit of a scramble but when you get into the thousand foot elevation range I'm the first to ask if there's a road. I've been driven to the top of Mt. Washington as a teenager and that's going to be it for me. I know people are like "oh it's the experience and you get to test your limits and the view you get at the top is unparalleled," but like...is it really worth it? Is it worth the walk past the bodies of the people who fell doing the same thing you're doing? For what purpose are you testing your limits? All the money and time you spent preparing for this one climb could have given you a dozen other life experiences. Run a marathon, get a scuba license, donate blood, volunteer at a hospital, go whale watching, those are all ways to test your endurance, have a meaningful experience, see something incredible, and get bragging rights.
THIS!! my exact thoughts 💯 at the same time everyone sees life thru a different lens so as unnatractive as it might seem for us others see it as the ultimate experience 🤷🏻♀️ there s people for everything i promise .
These videos accentuate the tragedies, the fatal errors, etc. Not everyone summits Aconcagua, but Aconcagua in not K2, Mount Everest or even Denali and the percentage of fatalities and mishaps is dramatically less that the Himalaya or the Alaska Range. Most either successfully summit the peak or fail uneventfully ...
They remind you of the type of people that approach dangerous animals to get a selfie. Common sense is non existent which is the one thing they all had in common.
@@JennifermcintyreHave you ever been hangry? Now add hypothermia, a lack of oxygen, lack of sleep and people you don’t know. Tempers can flare FAST on the trail.
Lack of experience in mountain climbing was devastating in this expedition. I don't know for sure as I have never climbed a mountain, but having camped outdoors in the winter, my only thought is that nighttime is often very different than daytime in that you have to be prepared, especially for the lower temperatures that you will experience for 12 or more hours when sleeping. Also, oxygen at high altitudes makes the physical effort needed to keep moving very hard. It can be deadly to stop for hours in frigid temperatures. Janet's hands were reported as "Being black," indicating lowered blood circulation, possibly due to the inability to walk or keep moving, possibly due to fatigue from lack of oxygen.
I recently went through a graveyard and seen a monument that must have cost a lot of money. It told of the life of a man who climbed mountains. I assume it was expected to impress the brain of those who read the monument. His body was still on the mountain at the bottom of a cravass where he had fallen with his climbing partner.
If his body is still on the mountain then I’d presume the large monument was probably just the family’s way of trying to counter the grief of not being able to give their loved one the dignity of being buried and formally laid to rest.
@@SanakudouThe monument also told how many push ups he could do in an hour, how he played top league football and other things he done. I thought the family would already know about that.
@@david-dj8orthey apparently thought he would want others to know as well. I mean why leave a stranger hanging? Forever wondering what small meaningless details they might not have about someone they dont know and will never meet. I mean obviously he was fascinating even after he passed, lmao!
@@DrGrande Hi, I'm argentinian, I really enjoy your videos. Can you analize the new Argentinian extreme far right president Milei? To me he is a psycho but I would like to hear your opinion😅
@diegoricotero by their fruits you shall know them. Many tv news in UK & USA have been caught lying & are controlled. So be wary of trusting any "facts" coming from your tv & some newspapers.
Me: Why on earth would you climb a mountain? Adventurous people, with swagger: Because it’s there Me: No but seriously, why? Adventurous people, profoundly:Why not? Me: I have compiled my top 500 reasons….
You guys should give the article a read before you watch this video, honestly. It's beautifully written and captures the nature of the tragedy so well.
"A Peak Too High"- A Set Theoretical Contribution to the Death of JMJ Nothing is more important than facing a challenge. Some challenges involve watching all of Dr. Grande's videos. Another challenge is getting enough exercise. Other challenges include reducing harm, learning Polish, getting a massage in Thailand and settling the question whether a cute sweater for one's cat is an appropriate gift to one's cat. Some argue that a sweater might overheat a cat, maybe my cat or your cat, and if so, placing said mammal in harm's way. Finally there is story of Mount Aconcagua and its victims. Let's investigate these challenges through a set theory approach: Set theory is simply the recognition that elements can be identified as belonging to a class of objects. For example "Polish" belongs to a set that includes "Slovak," but not to the class of "polish." Janet no longer belongs to the class of those who scale high peaks. But she does belong to a class that includes those who die in Argentina. And as a subset, we can say that "Americans who die trying to summit Mt. Aconcagua" is not so big. Thank you.
Mother nature doesn’t care about your IQ. There have been other intellectually smart people who died because they thought they were smart enough to figure things out in nature.
@@jguenther3049 Oh, hear, hear. Foolishness. We don't belong on high mountains. Just look at them in photos. Not enough oxygen, bad weather. Go to the beach and swim, humans.
Should I feel bad because I laughed at the fact that the climber arrived faster than expected back down to Camp 3 because he slid 1,000 ft down the mountain. (Unharmed) No apologies as I enjoy Dr. Grande’s sense of humor 🌵
We humans thrive from team work. Mediocrity and averageness are overcome with team work. Team work produces magnificent results while respecting each member’s individuality. But a great team always needs a key leader. The coach in hockey, the manager in baseball and a teacher in the classroom.
They haven't been murders. What would the motive be? If people go mountain hiking, they should not expect others to put their lives on the line for them. Every mountaineer is on their own. That should be stated on paper and signed by everyone going on such a hike.
I feel it's suspicious that they both were found in close proximity. In saying that, maybe one was trying to help the other and lost their footing? 🧚♀
I think foul play was involved...how can you see someone with two black hands (gangrene) and not realize they are in bad shape? Also, you don't spontaneously start getting better once gangrene has set in (not to mention the additional effects of prolonged low oxygen). On another note, after seeing the photos of the climbers, I just realized a plum business opportunity...providing climbers with chapstick at exorbitant airport-like prices.
We'll never know, unfortunately. But the bottom line is, unless there's evidence they were murdered, it's really not fair for that to follow them their whole lives and beyond.
Because my great great grandfather on my mother's mother's side was the oldest living pioneer of the Pacific Northwest still living in Spokane County, WA at the time of his death at 104 years of age; my mother's grandfather was Swiss German; I was born and raised in the state of Washington where I learned how to hike mountain trails, explore caves, freestyle rock climb a 450 foot basalt rock cliff by hand at 7 years old without ropes, and alpine ski with family and friends at 14; and I have lived in West Germany and skied in the Swabian Alps, I have a profound love of the mountains. I am interested in the historical exploits and/or tragedies of the human spirit exemplified by the will to survive and live of explorers, adventurers, and mountaineers. From a leadership in the chain of command, control, and custody, prospective, mountaineers are divided into two types based upon their plan of attack: a) team-oriented and b) independent. Being a member of a well organized team is generally safer than going it alone, which is why I use this analogy in my parenting classes. Respective examples of deaths which occurred during failed attempts to summit Mount Everest are Scott Fischer of the 1996 Mountain Madness team and Rob Hall, Doug Hansen, Andrew Harris, and Yasuko Namba of the 1996 Adventure Consultants team, as compared to independent climber David Sharp's failed 2006 Mount Everest summit attempt. In strategic thinking and logistical planning in top-down organizational chart hierarchies relationship contacts at all levels link tactical bottom-up feedback. While brains are still functioning at their optimal levels at sea level, the process of mutual communications, cooperation, collaboration, coordination, correction, commitment, and compromise must be mapped out in advance of the future journey. Whether one is a part of a team or is an independent contractor, one must be aware of one's internal strengths and weaknesses and one's external opportunities and threats. At the professional level in the corporate world, this is called a SWOT analysis. In being honest with oneself, it is called personal insight. Then, action steps can then be taken toward specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, and time-bound (SMART) goals and objectives. Key performance indicators (KPIs) assessed from base[line] camp in reaching a series of subsequent targeted bench-marks is a means of measuring how success the team's and one's own efforts are. A forensic analysis of this case may lead to the root cause of this tragedy. It is my opinion, based on what little I know about this matter, that there was too much emphasis placed upon the professional educational levels, not the personal experiential qualifications of the individuals themselves, and not on their ability to trust each other, which leads to cohesion in group dynamics. Sharing the same core values of what is good versus bad or evil, belief systems in standards of what is true versus false, attitudes of what is right versus wrong, and behaviors of what is acceptable versus unacceptable in polite society helps people to buy-in to the bigger picture in a directional strategy of meaningful principles, mission purpose, and a vision of a better future that they can understand, trust, and appreciate. Yet, people get lost when they are led astray, get off track, miss the mark of God's perfect will, and lack forgiveness of themselves and of each other in blaming Him for their own mistakes in making poor choices under their own free will (Genesis 3; Luke 15). I do not know how old Janet Mae Johnson was when she got adopted or what her life experiences in her family of origin or in the foster care system were beforehand. I do know that she went to college, which is where first lesbian encounters occur away from home in residential housing frequently. To place her life in its historical context, Alfred Kinsey controversial book, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" was published in 1948 and his book, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" was published in 1953. In 1957 at the age of 21, her bonding to her adoptive parents and her trust of other people, if not God Himself, would have been severely undermined by involuntary admission to a psychiatric hospital to be forced to undergo electro-shock and other forms of the so-called therapy of the time. (See the History Channel's "Gay Conversion Therapy’s Disturbing 19th-Century Origins.") So, while formerly abandoned by her biological/adoptive parents, she unnecessarily died isolated and alone, but it was not murder by her teammates. I have empathy for those who have undergone such experiences, since members of my family on both sides have done so and have been particularly involved with the LGBT community since the Stonewall riots of 1969 when my eldest sibling came out as a lesbian in Holy Names College in Spokane, WA. As a teenager, I babysat for her and her gay and lesbian friends who had intermarried and produced children, like my oldest nephew, because they believed that there must be a recessive "gay" gene, even though we now know that there is no such gene, but that genes are expressed through the neurological-physiological process of epigenetics. Against the advice of her lesbian friends, once his biologically born "mommy" decided to transition into a male "daddy" when he was 2 years old, I stopped babysitting for her and her friends. Although I do not believe in conversion therapy, even at a young age, I did not want my sibling's chosen lifestyle to adversely affect my nephew's mental health, despite homosexuality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) undergoing several revisions over time. First Corinthians 6:11 (NIV) says, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." People can and do change, as a miraculous act of God, not of their own efforts, but via a U-turn of repentance to ask for and receive forgiveness in a personal relationship with the Living God of the living in His 3-in-1 persons of Father, Son, and Spirit lived out in relationship with His people (Ephesians ; John 3:16-17; Exodus 20; Matthew 5-7 & 22). Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Romans 12:1-2 (NIV) says, "Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will."
People shouldn’t be allowed to hike on these dangerous mountains if they can’t think clearly b/c of lack of oxygen as they climb up and end up dying. Life is short enough, why make it shorter! SMH!
Altitude sickness,( hypoxia) is no joke. Even someone who is strong and muscular can be stricken. The ability to think and make decisions can slip away quickly. Discussions and judgement of climbers actions often fail to consider that they most likely were unable to think clearly and suffered the consequences. I'm glad I survived my youthful desire to climb
Not sure WHY anyone would jump to the conclusion of murder, as only two of the four returned. Maybe AFTER finding the condition of the bodies one might think that, but murder is a serious and rare occurrence. Was there extreme ill will among the climbers beforehand? That is what should be investigated.
When I flew into Kathmandu one summer, I sat next to a mountaineering woman. Her ex husband was a hedge fund guy aka criminal which she fully supported and encouraged. Anyway, according to her, she had no idea what drove her to pursue this fruitless, life threatening, yet exorbitantly expensive hobby. A person dies in this pursuit. That falls under the category of, So What? Or And Your Point Is?
Having led that lifestyle for fifteen years (rock climbing and mountaineering)I can count the number of well-balanced people I encountered in the climbing community on the fingers of one hand. If everything is going good in your life, you don’t get the idea to f*k it all up by going climbing, and after fifteen years the number of people that I knew, and climbed with, who are now dead is large enough to dispel any notion that your experience, strength, and endurance will save your life in an emergency. The ultimate irony is that one very famous climber that I know, who made a career out of risking his life on many notable ascents, permanently injured himself not by mountaineering, but slipping on a patch of ice on the steps in front of his house.
Yep, go to the beach and swim, that's where we belong. Use life-saving buoyancy equipment. Oh, hear, hear. Foolishness. We don't belong on high mountains. Just look at them in photos. Not enough oxygen, bad weather. Go to the beach and swim, humans.
You make an excellent point about being emotionally well balanced. really great point
I couldn’t agree more. I led this lifestyle for several years in the PNW & Nepal and I’m just not enamored with it anymore. I usually signed up with a formal mountaineer group for the more technical climbs. The last one up Mt Baker with a well known outfit from Seattle made me just say enough. Nobody died but it went so awful I just stood there on the side of the mtn like Forest Gump and said “I’m tired, I’m gonna go home now” and I was seriously done with this stupid shit forever!!
Astronaut John Glenn orbited earth, came home, and fell in the bathroom, injuring himself. Go figure.
@@concettaworkman5895 Once a human enters the ocean we become part of the food chain
Nice synopsis!
I'm one of the partners at the company that developed this this film - Film Rescue International. I do want to mention that the process to get these images from the film wasn't not at all like a normal film process. The film did in fact require a lot of special attention to get as good as images as we were able to salvaged from it. It did help that this film had the advantage of long term cold storage but on the other hand, the disadvantage of a lot of extraterrestrial radiation as would be found at these high altitudes and the fact it did experience some small amount of wet and dry cycling.
Do you know what film was it? I saw Kodak Safety Film on the side of the strips. I was wondering if it was Kodachrome or something else.
@@anothereero It was Kodak color negative film. Kodak has always made the highest quality films with high silver content. Even undeveloped, they have stood up the best over time compared to other brands. On the other hand though, due to the nature of the Kodachrome, these emulsions didn't stand up well over time undeveloped - but of course they have stood up well if they had been developed in a timely manner.
@@gregmiller9957 Hi Greg! You must be the Greg who runs Film Rescue International! Thank you for such a thoughtful comment. I was just asking because I got into a discussion with someone about what name of the Kodak film it was. I know Kodachrome can’t be developed in color anymore and was wondering if it was any other Kodak color film like Verichrome or if they had a different generic type that time besides Kodachrome since the scans look amazing and you are the best expert to ask.
This format lends itself very well to listening as if it were an audio book, while doing other things.
I listen every day whilst doing chores
The fact that they let an individual hiker who was exhausted to continue to hike back to camp 3 alone tells the whole story.
The fact the guide bailed almost immediately!
Glad you include my country for once. There have been many deaths in Aconcagua, it is very much respected here. Just recently a few esperienced climbers died in a "easier" mountain in the Andes. You can never be too confident.
People die in the Scottish mountains and our tallest peak isn't even a low-level basecamp for you guys.
Don’t cry for New Jersey, Dr. Grande
😂😂😂 new jersey
The truth is I never left you...
Another interesting video: piecing together a mountain mystery after every member of the expedition has passed away (with only a roll of film to share the past's secrets). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
What amazes me of these mountain stories is that from a certain point onwards they acquire a dreamlike and hallucinogenic narration.
Cerebral edema, lack of oxygen and hypothermia.... People don't make very good decisions in that state. They were in big trouble when the first guy decided to go back down after camping the night. They should have all gone back, but none of them were thinking clearly anymore. Just task orientated and delusional.
Lesson learned: Never go on climbing expeditions unless you have been on climbing expeditions before and did not die.
@@troy3456789😂😂😅
I climbed lots of peaks. Sometimes in sandals. When the snow got thick and my socks became saturated I turned back for the most part. In order to face the summit another day.
@@wmdkitty because the motto is "leave no man behind". If it is a woman on the other hand. . .
@@garrysekelli6776 "You're a riot Alice , a regular riot."
If I ever did something like this, it would only be with someone I was close to, who probably wouldn’t abandon me on a mountain. The organizer of the expedition checked out early leaving most of his group and then the tour guide left to assist an ill hiker. So it basically became every man/woman for themselves. I understand if they were feeling ill, close to death they may not feel inclined to care about the whereabouts of a stranger but that’s why I would feel more comfortable with someone I had a personal relationship with.
Horrible ways to die. Hiking in certain areas, conditions, bad decisions make it more dangerous. Great points on a case never heard of. Thanks Dr G😊💓💓
Your joke of an attack cow that needs to be arrested and the jokes about what authorities expected to see on the film, was flipping hilarious. 😂😂 You have such a unique humor that makes people laugh, while staying respectful toward the victims in each case. I laughed so hard. Your humor is one-of-a-kind. ❤
I thought it was his lamest joke yet. But I love it when people are willing to make lame jokes!
@@adriel7229 I actually thought it was pretty funny.🤣 And the camera footage joke was hilarious also. The way he states the obvious in alot of his jokes is what gets me laughing. 😂
@@roxannespahr2804 I love his sense of humor! He had me rolling at the one about them needing a mathematician lol.
7:20 is one of Dr G's hilarious poker-faced lines ~ Arnold's short cut to base camp.
Although "teamwork" in the technical sense may not be exactly what's needed on a non-technical mountain, team coordination is vital. For example, it is important that the team choose a pace that works for everyone. It is also important that team members are vetted for experience. It sounds like these people tried to ascend too quickly - at least too quickly for some - and that's what got them into trouble. Even if you take an every-man-for-himself approach, sick, lost and dying teammates are going to endanger everyone, as they did in this case. I would never climb a serious mountain with a bunch of strangers I met for the first time at the airport.
I appreciate your spot on analysis of the cast of characters in this mountain tragedy, Dr. Grande. It is relatable to the popular after school sitcom, Gilligan’s Island. Here, a group of strangers who had no reason to trust each other came together to climb a mountain. A mountain is very much like an island where no one is self-sufficient and everyone needs to rely on each other. The lesson learned in this tragedy is “inefficiency and dangerousness are welcomed” in the absence of teamwork. 👍👏🙋🏻♀️
It's funny how tastes change. I was a Ginger guy in my youth but now Mary Ann looks like a keeper.
Overconfidence and ego is very dangerous
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏 This is off subject but I lost my grandmother two years ago. She was my best friend and my soul sister. Upon her passing the song "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" kept playing through my thoughts (though it wasn't a track that I'd ever frequently listened to.) Today I had one of those days where I missed her extra extra extra. Then tonight I was notified that you posted this video. A big, salty tear rolled down my cheek and onto my smile. I appreciate you Sir
Blessings 🕊️
Thank you Dr. grande! This is exactly why I told my wife she needs to help me take out the garbage in the winter.
It seems, the more I learn about mountain climbing and climbers, the less I like about both.
Yep, egos as big as the mountains they climb
It’s the same with scuba diving! Indeed any adventure sport people become overly confident(grandiose) in their abilities to overcome the power of nature.
The sort of mountain climbers you hear on this channel, absolutely. But this is a "disaster rubberneck" channel. There are a lot of mountaineering clubs and climbers that tackle more suitable mountains, they do so well prepared both individually and as teams, basically "not the same." But of course, those clubs and climbers do not make the headlines and wouldn't be an interesting subject for Dr Death.
@@darthkek1953I agree. My ex-husband is in the 7/7 club. He was very humble. He's written several books on his adventures.
Thank you Dr Grande for making my daily commute a little easier. I always put on your daily upload on my radio. Well done, I hope you get to 2M subs one day 🙏
Me too! It’s like having an intelligent friend along for my drive! 🌵
I'm surprised people would even think she was murdered. A group of inexperienced hikers tried to climb a mountain and when their guide left, they died. That's not terribly surprising?
Yea i dont get it, people die on mountains all the time
Many don’t understand how quickly survivability can change on a hike. I was in shape and cocky and did an unprepared hike in Central America. After little sleep and drinking the night prior, my body was unbeknownst to me set up for disaster.
Cramped up halfway up a 5hour hike and couldn’t move but a few feet every few minutes. I was most likely knocking on the door of heatstroke, but still had the ability to perspire. Fortunately, my companion that day was a nurse.
I think unfortunately some ppl simply Want to believe the more outlandish/shocking version of events. Imo, this goes for all types situations ESPECIALLY when one is unfamiliar with whatever activity the subjects were engaging in at the time in question. Sadly this carries over to jurors, who have the fate of people s' lives in their hands... that's one of the MANY flaws w/our "Jury of Your Peers" system that we currently have.....
Janet was a very experienced climber, having gone on several climbing expeditions around the world. Carmie was also an experienced climber. The guide was certainly not particularly experienced, having climbed this route only once. Whether it is altitude sickness, hypothermia, or a fall, they can all be experienced by veteran hikers. It seems unconscionable to me that Janet was left still alive on the mountain, and when she did not return, no attempt was made to find her.
@@tarstarkusz I haven’t been in all three of these conditions together, but I can imagine that they would be dangerous without having been in them.
If I ever desired to climb, such a mountain, I’d want the climbing team to have climbed with me before on small mountains with people I can trust
i just realized the calming effect your voice has on my crazy brain.. nothing more relaxing than a good murder mystery
This shows the importance of teamwork.
more like the importance of enjoying the beach.
Americans don’t believe in team work. They call it socialism 😂🤣
No I in team but there is Me!
@@PerishingForLackOfKnowledge teamwork involves equality of input, socialism involves equality of outcome irregardless of personal input, so that comparison doesn’t make sense.
Opinions vary greatly in various parts of the US.@@PerishingForLackOfKnowledge
Unless they carried o2 with them, it’s not surprising that things went badly at very high elevations. As soon as a person feels any symptom of altitude sickness I’ve been told to drink lots of water & descend immediately. Janet died doing what she loved, but falling on a pick axe would be a very bad, slow death. A couple yrs ago a young woman hiking & climbing in Colorado w/ a small group died of altitude sickness, when all her friends knew she was sick, she went to bed & died. If they’d taken her down to a lower elevation it might have saved her life.
how does drinking water help? Why waste time drinking when u can descend.
@@rickjames5998 While most are aware that altitude sickness above 10,000 ft, not many realize it can happen at much lower altitude. And if they were inexperienced, they most likely didn't recognize the symptoms of altitude sickness.
@rickjames5998 O2=oxygen. They should have carried and/or used oxygen canisters at that altitude, but it doesn't sound like they did. It sure would have helped.
They sealed their fates when they decided to keep climbing without the equipment they needed and then to try to sleep overnight on space blankets.
I must not know how to have fun. I've never been caving or mountain climbing 😒 (or sky diving)
i caved (spelunking) a lot when I was younger and now when I look back I realize I must have been crazy.
Yeah, I will stay home (safe) and not have bragging rights to climbing the highest mountain. I’m good with that.
It's not technically challenging, but it can be physically challenging due to high altitude and constantly changing weather.
Hikers/climbers die or disappear on the mountains in Colorado every year and the highest don't even reach 15,000 feet above sea level. Some of those victims are described as being very experienced, but sometimes even they make bad decisions or are just unlucky, stepping on the wrong rock or dealing with unexpected severe weather. People die on mountains! (Just like they die on the roads or falling down stairs.)
I gotta give it to people that like climbing, running and doing very physical stuff because I absolutely have no desire to do any of that. I see people running in the morning omw to work and it amazes me that people like doing that because for me it would be punishment lol
I find running to actually be relaxing. You can basically just turn your brain off for an hour and a half.
Hello Dr. Grande . I love your channel and i believe you have extremely good insight and analysis of the people involved in the case you cover at the time. Thank you ❤
Dawn Wells, who played Mary Ann Summers on Gilligan's Island, went to school at Stephens College (back in the day) which was about a block away where I lived at when I went to Mizzou for grad school.
Those found cameras with undeveloped film are mysterious!
It's easier to build a mystery in one's head when the potential suspects are in a location that is completely out of sight.
Tragic story, but I can’t understand from the information given that there would be much evidence for murder.
Thanks Dr. Grande! Great episode.
I live in a rural ski resort town in northern Colorado at 8500 feet above sea level. We get tons of flat lander tourists who come unprepared at this elevation, and they can barely handle it.
My husband dealt with altitude sickness for almost 2 months when we moved here from Long Island, NY. I never had it, but it definitely affected my husband.
Tourists need to stay hydrated and keep an eye out for their O2 levels. Most don't, and they end up in our ER. Living at this altitude is very difficult for some....but I love it!
I always appreciate your amazing investigative analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande, always.
Here I am... Once again... A Dr Grande speculation analysis, his humor, and his thumbnails fan. Have a great weekend, y'all❣️👏 🙌 👌 👍 😎 😀 👏
Such a sad, yet interesting story to discuss. Thank you for the video Dr. Grande, I hope you’re doing well. Keep up the great work and take care!
Thank you for this and all your other videos. I always enjoy your take on these interesting episodes. Many of them I've never heard of, such as this intriguing case. I hate heights, so I could never go climbing, and admire anyone who can go on this type of adventure. :)
Nothing about this activity seems like a good idea to me.😮
Your sense of humor is delightful!
I have understood the need to disturb a perfectly good mountain.
I mean...TH-cam should work for Dr. Grande. How do you do it? Thank you for your hard work. 🙌
@ZenWatchGuy yes, absolute dream job!
Every episode I enjoy hearing Dr.Grande's incomplete - yet most interesting "Hello" of all times.
While I enjoy your perspectives on subjects I dont always agree with you. As a alpinist (successful one I'm still here) I wouldn't ever climb with someone that I didn't vet first. Head injuries are common in a fall and many folks impale themselves with their ice tools. These folks should never have come together for this climb. We all climb for our own reasons, the smart ones, read balanced, are still here.
I like how you present your stories very respectful and a little humour so it's not so traumatic for the listener. Thank you
I really enjoy this show!!! 😊
Dr. Todd Grande - can you please review the case of Shanda Van Ark?
I am writing a script for this case right now :)
People should read the book Into Thin Air. You're on your own up there.
I don't know why people just have to put themselves in mountains that are so dangerous. I have read many books on mountain climbing. The one book "High Crimes: The Fate of Everest in an Age of Greed" is an excellent read.
Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer is a classic, gripping account of an Everest climb gone wrong. One of my all-time heroes is the guy who was left for dead twice--and survived!!
“Arnold made better time than he thought”!!😂🤭
Hi Dr Grande, excellent analysis. Sounds like what happened at Mt. Everest in May of 1996.
As always I learn something new from your videos.
Honestly every time I watch a video about a mountaineering disaster I find myself thinking that I do not understand mountaineers. I enjoy a good hike and maybe a bit of a scramble but when you get into the thousand foot elevation range I'm the first to ask if there's a road. I've been driven to the top of Mt. Washington as a teenager and that's going to be it for me. I know people are like "oh it's the experience and you get to test your limits and the view you get at the top is unparalleled," but like...is it really worth it? Is it worth the walk past the bodies of the people who fell doing the same thing you're doing? For what purpose are you testing your limits? All the money and time you spent preparing for this one climb could have given you a dozen other life experiences. Run a marathon, get a scuba license, donate blood, volunteer at a hospital, go whale watching, those are all ways to test your endurance, have a meaningful experience, see something incredible, and get bragging rights.
THIS!! my exact thoughts 💯
at the same time everyone sees life thru a different lens so as unnatractive as it might seem for us others see it as the ultimate experience 🤷🏻♀️
there s people for everything i promise .
These videos accentuate the tragedies, the fatal errors, etc. Not everyone summits Aconcagua, but Aconcagua in not K2, Mount Everest or even Denali and the percentage of fatalities and mishaps is dramatically less that the Himalaya or the Alaska Range. Most either successfully summit the peak or fail uneventfully ...
I'd be interested to hear Dr Grande's take on the oncr missing and now found Alex Batty case that is breaking here in the UK and France.
Great vid, thanks Dr Grande for covering this perplexing case 🗻
8:18 "Maybe instead of a PHD, an engineer, a police officer, and a dairy farmer, what they really needed was a mathematician." lol
Morning from 🇦🇺 Dr Grande. Have a wonderful day ! Thank you for another great vid 🎉
The mental health professional photographs like he's in need of a mental health professional.
😂😂😂
Farmers are very resourceful people, and many can turn their hand to many different things.
Thanks!
They remind you of the type of people that approach dangerous animals to get a selfie.
Common sense is non existent which is the one thing they all had in common.
I guess my question is... What on earth would the motive be to commit murder during this expedition?
Yeah that’s a good question. Being in a beautiful place on an adventure with people who had a like goal seems a very unlikely scenario for a murder.
Suspicion of murder was a big stretch knowing how dangerous the high elevations of the mountain are.
Motives? To win, to cover up something, a hate crime or simply a killer who enjoyed killing
Homophobia? Rejection of advances by a couple of the men, being defended by the others? Delusions from altitude sickness?
@@JennifermcintyreHave you ever been hangry? Now add hypothermia, a lack of oxygen, lack of sleep and people you don’t know. Tempers can flare FAST on the trail.
Fascinating story. Wow. Great job Dr. Grande.
Lack of experience in mountain climbing was devastating in this expedition. I don't know for sure as I have never climbed a mountain, but having camped outdoors in the winter, my only thought is that nighttime is often very different than daytime in that you have to be prepared, especially for the lower temperatures that you will experience for 12 or more hours when sleeping. Also, oxygen at high altitudes makes the physical effort needed to keep moving very hard. It can be deadly to stop for hours in frigid temperatures. Janet's hands were reported as "Being black," indicating lowered blood circulation, possibly due to the inability to walk or keep moving, possibly due to fatigue from lack of oxygen.
she had climbed Mont Blanc, Matterhorn, and dozens of 14k peaks in Colorado, she was not a beginner or lack of experience climber at all
I recently went through a graveyard and seen a monument that must have cost a lot of money. It told of the life of a man who climbed mountains. I assume it was expected to impress the brain of those who read the monument. His body was still on the mountain at the bottom of a cravass where he had fallen with his climbing partner.
If his body is still on the mountain then I’d presume the large monument was probably just the family’s way of trying to counter the grief of not being able to give their loved one the dignity of being buried and formally laid to rest.
@@SanakudouThe monument also told how many push ups he could do in an hour, how he played top league football and other things he done. I thought the family would already know about that.
@@david-dj8orthey apparently thought he would want others to know as well. I mean why leave a stranger hanging? Forever wondering what small meaningless details they might not have about someone they dont know and will never meet. I mean obviously he was fascinating even after he passed, lmao!
I can't believe you missed the one about the Cop needing the dairy farmer in case they passed by a donut shop
Dear doctor Grande, could you please make a video about shanda vander ark. Thanks in advance and thanks for your incredible work.
🙋🏽
I am working on this case right now :)
@@DrGrande Hi, I'm argentinian, I really enjoy your videos. Can you analize the new Argentinian extreme far right president Milei? To me he is a psycho but I would like to hear your opinion😅
@diegoricotero by their fruits you shall know them. Many tv news in UK & USA have been caught lying & are controlled. So be wary of trusting any "facts" coming from your tv & some newspapers.
Moral of the story: Don't go climbing unless you have been climbing already.
No, it’s more simple: Don’t go climbing
@@pumpkinfield100 spoil sport 😑
Me: Why on earth would you climb a mountain?
Adventurous people, with swagger: Because it’s there
Me: No but seriously, why?
Adventurous people, profoundly:Why not?
Me: I have compiled my top 500 reasons….
You guys should give the article a read before you watch this video, honestly. It's beautifully written and captures the nature of the tragedy so well.
"A Peak Too High"- A Set Theoretical Contribution to the Death of JMJ
Nothing is more important than facing a challenge. Some challenges involve watching all of Dr. Grande's videos. Another challenge is getting enough exercise. Other challenges include reducing harm, learning Polish, getting a massage in Thailand and settling the question whether a cute sweater for one's cat is an appropriate gift to one's cat. Some argue that a sweater might overheat a cat, maybe my cat or your cat, and if so, placing said mammal in harm's way. Finally there is story of Mount Aconcagua and its victims. Let's investigate these challenges through a set theory approach:
Set theory is simply the recognition that elements can be identified as belonging to a class of objects. For example "Polish" belongs to a set that includes "Slovak," but not to the class of "polish." Janet no longer belongs to the class of those who scale high peaks. But she does belong to a class that includes those who die in Argentina. And as a subset, we can say that "Americans who die trying to summit Mt. Aconcagua" is not so big. Thank you.
Can you look into Shanda Vander Ark’s case? Thank you for your work, subscribed.
No one murdered anytone at 2,0000 feet. They had other things to worry about
Maybe their ice axes were looking handy 🤷♀️
Incredible story!! This has become one of my favorite videos. Mother Nature is a beast.
Altitude sickness is bad stuff. But all that IQ didn't really help them.
so true if book smart ,...don't test weather
Mother nature doesn’t care about your IQ. There have been other intellectually smart people who died because they thought they were smart enough to figure things out in nature.
Pointless activity, hardly worth risking your life for.
Highly subjective.
@@jguenther3049 Oh, hear, hear. Foolishness. We don't belong on high mountains. Just look at them in photos. Not enough oxygen, bad weather. Go to the beach and swim, humans.
@@concettaworkman5895 take a plane ride
I agree totally.
But the views are out of this world
Should I feel bad because I laughed at the fact that the climber arrived faster than expected back down to Camp 3 because he slid 1,000 ft down the mountain. (Unharmed)
No apologies as I enjoy Dr. Grande’s sense of humor 🌵
We humans thrive from team work. Mediocrity and averageness are overcome with team work. Team work produces magnificent results while respecting each member’s individuality. But a great team always needs a key leader. The coach in hockey, the manager in baseball and a teacher in the classroom.
They haven't been murders. What would the motive be? If people go mountain hiking, they should not expect others to put their lives on the line for them. Every mountaineer is on their own. That should be stated on paper and signed by everyone going on such a hike.
I feel it's suspicious that they both were found in close proximity. In saying that, maybe one was trying to help the other and lost their footing? 🧚♀
Almost first! Love Dr Grande! 😘❤️
I think foul play was involved...how can you see someone with two black hands (gangrene) and not realize they are in bad shape? Also, you don't spontaneously start getting better once gangrene has set in (not to mention the additional effects of prolonged low oxygen).
On another note, after seeing the photos of the climbers, I just realized a plum business opportunity...providing climbers with chapstick at exorbitant airport-like prices.
Good one....thanks for the chuckles.
What a mess...
Would you please give us your take on the case of Shanda Vander Ark and Paul Ferguson?
I'm surprised that the leader telling everyone that they were responsible for their own conditioning not working out.🤔
Maybe he did and knew his limits better than the others?
Thank you king for going off!
Thank you DOC❤
Ghost on a Glacier is an awesome band name
We'll never know, unfortunately. But the bottom line is, unless there's evidence they were murdered, it's really not fair for that to follow them their whole lives and beyond.
That was one rough looking group.
Murder…?…they literally just died from ignorance & inexperience …
Because my great great grandfather on my mother's mother's side was the oldest living pioneer of the Pacific Northwest still living in Spokane County, WA at the time of his death at 104 years of age; my mother's grandfather was Swiss German; I was born and raised in the state of Washington where I learned how to hike mountain trails, explore caves, freestyle rock climb a 450 foot basalt rock cliff by hand at 7 years old without ropes, and alpine ski with family and friends at 14; and I have lived in West Germany and skied in the Swabian Alps, I have a profound love of the mountains. I am interested in the historical exploits and/or tragedies of the human spirit exemplified by the will to survive and live of explorers, adventurers, and mountaineers.
From a leadership in the chain of command, control, and custody, prospective, mountaineers are divided into two types based upon their plan of attack: a) team-oriented and b) independent. Being a member of a well organized team is generally safer than going it alone, which is why I use this analogy in my parenting classes. Respective examples of deaths which occurred during failed attempts to summit Mount Everest are Scott Fischer of the 1996 Mountain Madness team and Rob Hall, Doug Hansen, Andrew Harris, and Yasuko Namba of the 1996 Adventure Consultants team, as compared to independent climber David Sharp's failed 2006 Mount Everest summit attempt.
In strategic thinking and logistical planning in top-down organizational chart hierarchies relationship contacts at all levels link tactical bottom-up feedback. While brains are still functioning at their optimal levels at sea level, the process of mutual communications, cooperation, collaboration, coordination, correction, commitment, and compromise must be mapped out in advance of the future journey. Whether one is a part of a team or is an independent contractor, one must be aware of one's internal strengths and weaknesses and one's external opportunities and threats. At the professional level in the corporate world, this is called a SWOT analysis. In being honest with oneself, it is called personal insight. Then, action steps can then be taken toward specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, and time-bound (SMART) goals and objectives. Key performance indicators (KPIs) assessed from base[line] camp in reaching a series of subsequent targeted bench-marks is a means of measuring how success the team's and one's own efforts are.
A forensic analysis of this case may lead to the root cause of this tragedy. It is my opinion, based on what little I know about this matter, that there was too much emphasis placed upon the professional educational levels, not the personal experiential qualifications of the individuals themselves, and not on their ability to trust each other, which leads to cohesion in group dynamics. Sharing the same core values of what is good versus bad or evil, belief systems in standards of what is true versus false, attitudes of what is right versus wrong, and behaviors of what is acceptable versus unacceptable in polite society helps people to buy-in to the bigger picture in a directional strategy of meaningful principles, mission purpose, and a vision of a better future that they can understand, trust, and appreciate. Yet, people get lost when they are led astray, get off track, miss the mark of God's perfect will, and lack forgiveness of themselves and of each other in blaming Him for their own mistakes in making poor choices under their own free will (Genesis 3; Luke 15).
I do not know how old Janet Mae Johnson was when she got adopted or what her life experiences in her family of origin or in the foster care system were beforehand. I do know that she went to college, which is where first lesbian encounters occur away from home in residential housing frequently. To place her life in its historical context, Alfred Kinsey controversial book, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" was published in 1948 and his book, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" was published in 1953. In 1957 at the age of 21, her bonding to her adoptive parents and her trust of other people, if not God Himself, would have been severely undermined by involuntary admission to a psychiatric hospital to be forced to undergo electro-shock and other forms of the so-called therapy of the time. (See the History Channel's "Gay Conversion Therapy’s Disturbing 19th-Century Origins.") So, while formerly abandoned by her biological/adoptive parents, she unnecessarily died isolated and alone, but it was not murder by her teammates.
I have empathy for those who have undergone such experiences, since members of my family on both sides have done so and have been particularly involved with the LGBT community since the Stonewall riots of 1969 when my eldest sibling came out as a lesbian in Holy Names College in Spokane, WA. As a teenager, I babysat for her and her gay and lesbian friends who had intermarried and produced children, like my oldest nephew, because they believed that there must be a recessive "gay" gene, even though we now know that there is no such gene, but that genes are expressed through the neurological-physiological process of epigenetics. Against the advice of her lesbian friends, once his biologically born "mommy" decided to transition into a male "daddy" when he was 2 years old, I stopped babysitting for her and her friends. Although I do not believe in conversion therapy, even at a young age, I did not want my sibling's chosen lifestyle to adversely affect my nephew's mental health, despite homosexuality in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) undergoing several revisions over time.
First Corinthians 6:11 (NIV) says, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." People can and do change, as a miraculous act of God, not of their own efforts, but via a U-turn of repentance to ask for and receive forgiveness in a personal relationship with the Living God of the living in His 3-in-1 persons of Father, Son, and Spirit lived out in relationship with His people (Ephesians ; John 3:16-17; Exodus 20; Matthew 5-7 & 22). Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Romans 12:1-2 (NIV) says, "Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will."
People shouldn’t be allowed to hike on these dangerous mountains if they can’t think clearly b/c of lack of oxygen as they climb up and end up dying. Life is short enough, why make it shorter! SMH!
If people want to do something that might kill them, who are you to decide they can't?
Dr. G, awesome title...70 in Hawaii 🌴🌺
Altitude sickness,( hypoxia) is no joke. Even someone who is strong and muscular can be stricken. The ability to think and make decisions can slip away quickly. Discussions and judgement of climbers actions often fail to consider that they most likely were unable to think clearly and suffered the consequences. I'm glad I survived my youthful desire to climb
I always say, don't go to high places.
Not sure WHY anyone would jump to the conclusion of murder, as only two of the four returned. Maybe AFTER finding the condition of the bodies one might think that, but murder is a serious and rare occurrence. Was there extreme ill will among the climbers beforehand? That is what should be investigated.
8:37 "... not surprisingly ..." ahhhh ... Something wrong with this story.
I love the deadpan humour. The mathematician joke was pretty good.
When I flew into Kathmandu one summer, I sat next to a mountaineering woman. Her ex husband was a hedge fund guy aka criminal which she fully supported and encouraged. Anyway, according to her, she had no idea what drove her to pursue this fruitless, life threatening, yet exorbitantly expensive hobby. A person dies in this pursuit. That falls under the category of, So What? Or And Your Point Is?
Things I'll never aspire to do: go on a ocean cruise, parachute from anything, become a prison guard, join a climbing expedition.