History of WWI Primer 018: German Gewehr 1888/05 "Commission Rifle" Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
German Gewehr 1888/05 and 1888/14
Cartridge: 7.92x57mm
Capacity: 5 rnds
Length: 49"
weight: 8.7 lbs
So what happens with the good old Gewehr 1888 Commission rifle when the new spitzer cartridge is introduced? A few adjustments and it is back in service! But is it still reliable?
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I'm glad there is a channel that can enable my addiction to incredibly specific and nerdy facts about old firearms. I love watching these!
+aerodip52 consider rehab
well it is clear from this video that the rifle I possess is one of the models that was sent to Turkey during World War I that being said I've personally never had a problem with mine feeding properly but I discovered that the extraction problem was wholly dependent on the type of ammunition used, at one time I have about 500 rounds of Canadian made eight millimeter in about five hundred rounds of British made eight millimeter and those bullets would feed and extract flawlessly regardless of how hot the rifle became but some German and Russian ammunition became increasingly difficult to extract as the rifle got hot causing at one point an extractor failure which I the had to replace. great videos guys keep up the good work.
+tarstakars lots of people are pointing at ammo. Which the Germans had difficulty trouble shooting as we can see
I have three 88/05's from three different makers and they all have very smooth bolts and never had any problem feeding or extracting. They are easily the smoothest bolt action rifles I've ever used. They are all accurate as well.
+M21Karl Sweet
+C&Rsenal I don't know if we are just lucky or if our standard procedure for old military bolt rifles made the difference. We usually take the bolt apart and clean the bolt and the receiver and chamber with boiling water just to make sure all the cosmoline is out. Then we oil everything and then put white lithium grease on the cocking cam. It made a world of difference on more than one tough mosin.
M21Karl
Actually right on that as well! Probably just luck of the draw.
C&Rsenal covering the 1888/05 and Forgotten Weapons covering a Winchester 1895 in 7.62x54r, today is WWI as fuck.
+jtday92 It's a good day.
+Mae Guns The only thing that could make it better would be more .32's.
+jtday92 Ok, but only because you asked specifically for them :)
i'm sure it will show up eventually.
I have a '39 dated '35, so I'm really liking this little '88 series.
My rifle feeds surprisingly smooth, but single loading is definitely tricky because of the single stack magazine, much easier when you are dealing with a double stack or even slightly staggered magazine.
I love what you guys are doing, keep up the good work.
+supersexyfatguy thanks!
thanks my dad brought back 4 from WWII and mouser 22 training rifle .he gave them away to his brother's and a nephew I still cry about it today.
+David Wagner I'm sorry for your loss.
Back in 1981 I bought a Gewehr 1888 from a friend with the S stamped in it. I shot that rifle a lot and I didn't have stripper clip, I loaded them in by hand. I don't remember having problems cycling the action. Maybe mine was used more and wasn't as tight.
Back then I was interested in history of that rifles design and didn't find a lot back then. I'm glad I found your videos I learned a bunch about that old rifle. I also bought a Krag side loading carbine from the same friend but I never shot that one. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
My God how have I missed this channel!? In my eyes Great War small arms have this mystique unparalleled by any other era, only approached by the Victorian black powder rifles of empire. Thank you for imparting your invaluable knowledge for free, and with excellent production quality.
+nomad8723 Thanks!
Is it wrong that I say "BANG" every time the animation fires a round?
+me3333 That's how I did it.
+C&Rsenal Where is that video where you forgot to record sound and you edited in all the bangs and clicks by voice?
EDSKaR
th-cam.com/video/3m_2EKJkjzI/w-d-xo.html
10:52
Here ya' go, just like the poor man's Garand.
lmao. I agree, even though its a so-so quality rifle. and its nice to see im not the one of the very few weebs whos into guns like you :)
I just bought a gewehr 88/05/35 so I'm very excited for that video.
10:55 it does sound very familiar to the M1 Garand on the last round.
Every time I watch one of these I am impressed and thank full that I live in a time when I can enjoy entertainment so incredibly specific to my interests in hobbies, I cant imagine living in a time when there were 4 channels on television.
keep up the great work guys.
+Chris Wolgamuth Glad to hear we are a custom fit!
8:05 Ross is not amused.
I had heat problems with my 1944 K98 too, rapid fire of any kind made it hot to the touch. You could smell the wood handguard heating up after ~40 rounds.
+Alome9 weirdly the barrel jacket does its job but the action itself binds
I haven’t had a trouble with my 88/05 with loading or pulling the bolt back but what I think could cause the sticky bolt is maybe the pressure for the improved spitzer would expand the case enough to cause a little friction in the chamber. Just a guess.
They are much easier to open after firing if you oil the brass with mineral oil
someone get the 2x4s its bash open the bolt time!
+J/22058 Boots!
That enfield on the wall in the background is absolutely stunning.
+petpeeves117 wait which one?
+C&Rsenal it used to be on the racks, although the one with the grenade wrappings isn't bad either. it would be interesting to know how much money is sitting in that room.
petpeeves117
don't remind me! I sleep so poorly as it is.
Always interesting to see the development of these various period arms. Another top-notch video!
+taterporkchop Thanks!
Even with the problems, i have the feeling the M88/05 is still a better rifle than the Mosin Nagant.
why hate the mosin though?
@@demonbright7292 I have no idea where you get the 'hate' part from?
One of the worst bolt-action design ever serviced is not a statement of hate, just a fact.
@@23GreyFox but its not, its a simple desing that has verry much outlived its lifespan. maybe you have only handled mosins in poor condition but every mosin ive handled have been ok rifles, not good, but most certainly not the worst. you are stating your opinion not fact. it is kinda obvious you have much disdain for mosin nagants.
@@demonbright7292 I look at the design, and compare it with other designs. Everyone that knows something about rifle construction will tell you the same. It was all what russia had, not because it was good. Your hurt feelings doesn't matter. Even the Arisaka Type 30 was far better.
@@23GreyFox dude, Im going to call out your bs, cause let's face it. Pretending you know everything about firearms and making wildly inaccurate statements doesn't make you some gun guru, and my opinion on the m91 and its decendants doesn't either. The firearms was manufactured from the 1890s to well into the 1950s by Russia alone. It wasn't their only option, it just happened to be a significantly robust design. Much like the ak47 was after it had seen improvements. There are very few weapons platforms that have had as long a service life as the mosin has. That is a fact that on its own proves that the mosin is while not a great rifle, not the worst. You obviously have never really looked I I firearm design as you most likely infer that complexity makes a weapon better, but that is not always the case. The mosin and its simple system have managed to thrive for so long simply because it's simple. The mosin is not special, it's not great and it's rather heavy, but it is by no means a bad rifle. After all, an objectively bad rifle design usually blows up in the shooters face.
Another exhaustive and informative episode. Thank you all very much :-)
+Joe Taylor Thanks for watching!
Clock out for lunch, check TH-cam and there is a new video on another German rifle. MADE MY DAY! Hahaha thanks again guys, I can't say enough how much I love this channel. Keep it coming!! :):):)
+The Watcher You avatar is perfect for this comment.
+C&Rsenal Haha thank you, and yea it is! I drew that little guy a few years ago and he's been with me ever since:)
Getting home after a long day at work, I see that C&Rsenal has posted a new episode. You guys made my day. Thank you.
+Neptune Bluez Glad we could help :)
+Mae Guns The two of you seem to have a good bit of fun making these episodes, and it shows on camera. C&Rsanel is, by far, one of the most in-depth reliable source in regards to surplus firearms on TH-cam. Great work as always!
New to the channel but i've seen the videos you did on The Great War channel. I really enjoy the quality and effort put into your videos and i can't wait to see future content.
+tisse90 Thanks! We'll keep trying!
Another fantastic episode, thank you.
+Peter Larkin Thanks!
I thought I knew about these rifles... haha... I was wrong. I knew about the Gewehr 88 and 88/05, but the other stuff was all new to me. I need to dig out my 88 and see what it is now. Great video!
+capajo02 thanks! Glad it was informative
Although I knew the bore diameter changed from .318 to .323 due to the deeper rifling, I thought the change was in the 98 series. Thank you for the great video.
+Casey Bareback It twere one then the other.
Simply stellar work once again.
+Michael Moeller Thanks!
The best conversion would have been rechambering the rifle to .32ACP.
+Geo Wu It's really the only decent cartridge of WWI.
+Geo Wu A prototype in .32acp sold at RIA for 3.2 million last month. I wanted it bad but had to stop bidding at 2.5 mil.
+C&Rsenal
45 acp beats the breaks off of 32acp
also ever heard of 30-06
MURICA
+Geo Wu Pocket rifle.
+Billy Batshitcrazy because 7.62x54r, 303, 8mm, ETC arnt almost exactly the same round?
live in montana, i own guns, i like montana....but....32ACP is also an american designed round....
Awesome videos! Since i'm from Italy, i do hope i'm not gonna see for much long that '91 carcano laying on the rack!
+Mario Fobas We have finally acquired all the Carcano examples we need. Just have to sit down and do a LOT of translating for research. BUT another Italian gun is on the way very soon.
A very good presentation! I own a gew 88/05 with all the proof marks that show it is good to shoot and it is in great shape. I know that you covered it in the video but I have heard conflicting stories about ammo. I am hearing that you cannot shoot off the shelf 8mm mauser ammo, but I also hear that you can. My rifle has the nm, S, Z, the good barrel taper and is in great shape. Any help would be great
If you have the updated barrel you should be fine. But the earlier bore tends to put the squeeze on bullets and more powerful rounds could build up a LOT of extra pressure
Continue on man great work
Good coverage, another great show.
+Mikesnafk Thanks!
Very Informative. I was watching The Great War and I was sent here
+The VSO Gun Channel Thanks!
Great episode guys, congratulations.
+None_yo_business Thank you!!
the fear of every shooter, a barrel blow.
great episode as always :D
+skulychen11 even just a bilge...the splinters
Thanks to Mae for wrasslin' that unwieldy thing around and to everyone at C&Rsenal for the great episode about the Gew. 88/05. I'd bet the Turks don't miss it either. I enjoy finally being able to understand the model variations.
very nice,thank you guys,you are the best!
+Marjan Dicov No u
Great episode. Interesting to see just how long and in how many guises the Gewehr 88 served. I think one could spend one's whole life studying Mausers.
You should add Canfield's "The M1 Garand Rifle" (that really huge one that came out a couple years ago) to your Amazon store. That's one I hope to buy eventually, and when I do, I'd love for you guys to get a commission for it. :-)
Did they ever do the video on the Turkish 1888/05/35? I just bought one and would love to know more about it.
Sorry Bud, I don't think they have. Guessing the 35 means the year 1935, I doubt they will. They ONLY cover WWI weapons.
I think the gun can be improved by adding a laser and break-action to it. :)IAS... great episode guys!
+TAOFLEDERMAUS Don't forget aimbot. That makes everything simpler!
and a steady-aim button
+TAOFLEDERMAUS it's modular! Just like the AR!
+TAOFLEDERMAUS ok you can leave now.
C&Rsenal I've been banned from the server!
Good job!
Hi Othias, I’m Ryan! That’s how I start off every one of these videos, and I haven’t gotten tired of it yet! 😅✌🏻
Heyo C&Rsenal, you guys really do a bang up job on these videos. Also, love that you have a strong female as the shooter. You go Mae! Perforate those paper soldiers!
Thanks! Those paper soldiers didn't stand a chance :)
maybe this would be best for me to post on the Mauser G98 video; however, I wanted to just mention it here... I simply adore the Mauser 1889 Belgian model and especially the Spanish 1893 7x57mm as well as the Chilean models in the same caliber. they seem to have a much farther point-blank range, and I find them to be inherently more accurate just because of the 7x57mm rather than the 8mm Mauser cartridge. what do you guys think? have you guys fired both the 7x57mm and the 7.92x57mm Mausers (1893, 1896, and 1898 especially)?
great as always! i really smell what your, ummmm, cooking?
my theory for the difficult extractions? clearly the weapon is becoming hot and bothered being handled by may. clearly.
That can happen :)
After seeing the Forgotten Weapons video on the Winchester 1895 lever action built for the Russian army in 7.62x54r, I really hope to see you guys do a video on that rifle.
+sailingmaster It is absolutely on our list.
+C&Rsenal that's got to be just a fantastic rifle. It's definitely on my want list.
Wow natural selection played it's part that's a relief.
Not a bad first pass
C&Rsenal Yeah
Fascinating and well presented as ever. I am going to struggle to think of Germany as the "underdog" but I will try.
Thank you.
+Raymond Gill Manpower and material wise they ended up outnumbered. I don't know that they expected it though. Efficiency for efficiency's sake bought them a LOT of time.
No surprise at the "No" on this one, I could easily see the problems with ejecting/loading the next round as the gun heated up. I'd actually stick to my muzzle loader flintlock instead of this one :P
+Alex Luyckx Yeah I tried to handle it as smoothly as possible and it only continued to increase in stiffness with every shot.
Pinging the clip out the top is so ingenious. Surprising more mannlicher systems didn’t try it.
Thanks again
yay! new video
+William Brannan woo!
Great episode guys. I especially like the animations in the light doo hickey.
+MrRoboskippy So technical.
Have you thought of having an end of year or era show and cover your favorite long gun and pistol that you have covered.
+Bob1942ful We will definitely do a review once we've got things wrapped up.
Great series, fabulous detail! Regarding ammunition, was Mae shooting .323 S Patrone diameter rounds in the 88/05 demo? I've always loaded .318 bullets for my Loewe 1890 88/05 (Turkish crescent on the safety) as a precaution against overpressuring the rifle. Spitzer .318 bullets have been hard to find and the round nosed projectiles don't feed well from the magazine. I've read that U.S. factory ammo has been downloaded to adjust for the larger diameter S Patrone.
your extraction binding with heat up is actually easy to explain, that jacket. it's not ventilated, and makes barrel contact with only a couple percent of the barrel surface (and thusly, the interior surface of the jacket). the rest of the internal volume is "dead air space". the barrel is, essentially, a thermos bottle. radiative loss only really occurs in the boring, not off the exterior. now, our nice hot barrel gets LONGER as it heats, and is held in compression between fore and aft barrel jacket mounts (and the jacket, being insulated by the dead air space, heats less). add in barrel machining "induced stresses", voila, your barrel "kinks", at really tiny scale, of course. as the biggest "natural stress risers" (sharp corners) on that barrel is the barrel shoulder/receiver interface (and both ends of the jacket mount), you get most "shimmy" right in the middle of your chamber. pretty much why the non-ventilated barrel jacket went the way of the dodo, except in sporting recoil op models. had Mae been shooting at 500 yds from a solid rest, she would have seen her point of impact go all kinds of "wanderlust" as the heat built. that was a major battlefield moan of the 88 in the "great war", it REALLY wandered under heat. it seems that jacket was more a curse than a feature worthy of paying to keep, lololololol. funny how often that happens in "fad brilliance"
@Herbert Norkus numrich probably has barrel jackets in stock. if one had a working spitzer converted 88, it would certainly make an interesting experiment to ventilate a spare, or even do a free float reaming at the front mounting shoulder
Great video guys, I get the chance to see very few of these guns in the wild (at least at the gun shows and collector shows around me) and it kinda makes me wonder where, if there were high production numbers for some of these, where they've all disappeared to.
Is it worth doing a video in the future about the Russian M91, M91 Dragoon and M07 Carbine, or have these rifles been talked about to death already?
Keep up the good work, can't wait for another update.
+Matthew Shermer yep
I have one of the double ground rear sights i think. Also the barrel was forced matched to the reciever by over stamping the serial with receiver serial. Is this the work of fudds?
Thank you for your help in identifying my mystery gew 88! It's an 88-05 with a Turkish rear sight. Got it for $400 today, but it has had the bolt handle hammered down to clear a scope. Did I get a decent deal?
Keeping my fingers crossed that the 'Ankara Gewehr 1888' appears soon. That's a cool-looking variant of the rifle
Excellence is certainly your base line
I am currently looking into your shows! I personally enjoy educated people who put their prioritizing moments on the viewers wanting! I personally want to learn some information I may not know of on my Dou 44 kar98k- all matching.
Glad you're enjoying it!
I really like my 88/05. I don't have any problems with loading or extracting but then again I am steering clear of WW2 and Cold war 8mm Surplus and run handloads with a .321 diameter bullet. I would like to try the Romanian steel cased ammo in the rifle as that has a .318 diameter bullet and a lighter powder load.
They are neat little rifles. I figure that if I want to shoot a LOT of 8mm then I will shoot one of my 98 variants.
+Targetpopper Did you check all your markings?
Well it has the "S" marking and when the local gunshop and I checked the diameter of the bore of my gun and his 88/05 they both appeared good to go.
This is a great episode and one of my favorites.
Targetpopper
Glad to hear!
If I feel squirrely enough tomorrow I'll run a few clips through the gun with a few different chargers and post a video on my channel of the results. The only surplus ammo I have in 8mm is Turkish though and that stuff is loaded pretty spicy for these rifles I think.
Targetpopper
Link me up if you get any results.
At what point does a spitzer bullet stop being the most effective shape? I've heard you mention something about diminishing returns with caliber.
Great video as always! Do you ever come across information about the original cost of these guns? It makes sense that upgrading Gew 88s cost less than buying a brand-new 98 but I'm curious what that actually worked our to in marks and pfenning.
+Nicholas Ford I probably have the numbers somewhere in these notes... maybe. Great now I'll have to go looking.
You provided my snow-bound Colorado butt entertainment that doesn't include watching Disney movies over and over and over with my 4 year old. Thanks for another great episode!
Also, I love how earnest you both are. It's cute.
+NuclearAlchemist It's really warm here. I did my errands on my motorcycle. Also what is snow?
The natural form of water! Why, did you think it was liquid?
Dam I feel sorry for Karl over at InRange trying to run his 88/05 in their 2 gun match.
+MrHemimechanic2 Karl and Ian do it to themselves, don't feel sorry for them.
@@EDSKaR They do it for us.
I am not surprised it has sticky bolt issues. It was a rifle that got re-rimmed once already after a half-ass production job to start with, then re-chambered for a new round. The chamber on that thing is most likely too large, or too small, or too long, or too short, or a combination there of. Like you said, all the ones that are going to blow up already blew up, so any obvious problems have been worked out...though fire.
I wonder if part of the problem too is that that light barrel and chamber get hot very fast and the way the metal expands from the heat it tightens the chamber. It may be reasonable quality steel, but dimensionally is problematic as it heats.
I enjoy your videos. Good job. Gewehr Turk 1888/05/35 video still coming?
One day after WWI
Years ago I had a "guild" sporting rifle built on a 88 action in 8X57mm spitzer that had been used on safari by professional hunters. It ended up in Panama where the original owner settled down before WWII. He lived out his last days there as a security specialist for a fruit company. His daughter married a banker and eventually resettled in Miami during the 80's . When he passed she sold it to a neighbor who eventually offered it to my father who was not interested but put me in touch with the seller. $200 later it was mine for almost a month when I was offered $1000. That was about 1993 and I was recently married with a new mortgage and my first child on the way so the money was too much to resist. That and I kept hearing how brittle they were which made me a little worried. But I did shoot a lot of light target loads in that short period I owned it.
It went to a good collector of early smokeless powder sporters and target rifles. Upon his passing all those old rifles went to auction and the collection was broken up. Pity.....loved those old schutzen rifles old John had.
Sorry for the long post........just wanted to share a tangential experience.
+William Prince Family comes first. But that doesn't always silence regret.
+C&Rsenal Regret is a howling alley cat that wakes you in the night. You can often silence but at what cost now?
William Prince shoes?
The Germans could have extended this rifles life by issuing it with a Pedersen device in .32 auto.
+Clay Ronso all guns should be .32 ACP
+C&Rsenal That should be on a shirt. Lol
cool, never heard of the Pedersen device. Damn ingenious...
@@racing7782 It's really cool in that they basically built a functioning gun that fit inside the chamber of a 30-06. but it's really bad in that it didn't work and would have been a disaster had it seen widespread use.
Mine obviously does not have its original bolt. So tight to install and work!
I have a Danzig 1888 with Turkish sights. with 1937-1943 manufacture Turkish ammo I do have difficulty with extraction as described here. I did have to replace the front sight as it was way too short for a 100 yds point of impact.
you really provided a fascinating historical story regards the Lowe "jewish" conspiracy. Some things just never change.
+Burt Hulbert Glad to hear it's shooting.
+C&Rsenal I should note it's 1891 manufacture with the .323 barrel. I bought it for $39.99 in about 1975 with a rather nice bore.
I suppose if you ended up as a reservist in the trenches, this rifle wouldn't cheer up your day. Excellent work as usual.
Question to Mae. Would it have been easier to work the bolt if you had more arm strenght, or was the bolt just that sticky?
I mean yeah with more arm strength I could've wrestled it open easier, but it would've still continued to get worse the longer I shot it.
Did you have to work the bolt to unload these? Like a blind box on a hunting rifle?
Was the extractor at fault for the failure to extract/eject once the rifle heated up?
Will yourself and Mae ever decide to transfer to a WW2 small arms soon? I wish to see the Fliegerfaust; if possible.
We have at least 60 more WWI guns to cover. Then we'll be happy to borrow your FliegerFaust.
Nice gun
Time Warp? Photo at 11.06 back row on the right, is that a young Mark from Anvil?
Othais and Mae, I have has my GEW.88/05 for a bit over a month now, and I think 5 range trips. While it is certainly not as easy to extract as my Argentine Mausers, I am really having no problems and it is smoother with more leverage than my WWI era Mosins because of the longer bolt handle. I am using PPU Match 200 grain ammo. Maybe less pressure than the ammunition you were using? Overall I like it enough to get an 88/05/35. That one is smoother yet. Still looking for an actual GEW.88 but that will come eventually. Thanks again for all you do.
+Doby Pilgrim Thanks! Unfortunately our data wasn't from rifles that survived 80 years of service in Germany and Turkey. Likely the strong remained as problematic guns wandered off. All we have to go on for the time are German records.
Oh no your data is supported in the books I have read, But the converse can be true. Often we are shooting rifles with mismatched parts and sometimes the match is better on one rifle than another one. Somehow I doubt Loewe would let out a majority of rifles with stiff bolts. Maybe the one you were shooting was sticky for that reason as much as anything. Mine is an 1891 Loewe.
Another rifle that goes 'PING' when it's done! :D
Hey, can you provide me the dimensions of the spring and the position of the spring on the dust/ mud cover on the bothom? Like the one at 10:09. Thank you!
Thak you!
Is it better than Mosin Nagant?
Keep it up
Is there a recording of the shooting without the music in the background? I wanted to see if the shooting sound could be repurposed for a game, with your permission.
Gotta love a good light doohickey
The heat seizing is interesting; I've had my Mosin-Nagant do that on me as well on hot days after 20-30 rounds. I've done some quick research online, and common thought is that there's still enough cosmo in the chamber, along with residue/debris building up, that heat expansion becomes an issue. I haven't had a chance to try (and with 7.62x54R prices being what they are now, no real pressing need) to go in there and give the chamber a *serious* cleaning to see if that fixes the problem. I wonder if you guys were running into something similar? I"m guessing that rifle spent a good long while in deep storage at some point.
+elfinfluff I would think it had something to do with the new cartridge more than any refurb
Yo C&Rsenal can you talk about 1888/05 can you shoot the hanyan 88 rifle
ping!
It's a certain rifle's 'garand'father
Does anyone have the link for there video on the gew 88/05/35?
How would you distinguish between the 88/S and the 88/05?
Good, a new video, just in time to take my mind off my 40% shot at getting an M1 carbine. Fingers crossed - come on CMP!
+MadMed Good luck!
+C&Rsenal Is it tuesday yet? No... der-dang.
MadMed
sorry.
I have a question you may know the answer to. why do some gewehr 88s have the S marking but not the notch on the receiver?????
The S is just for the barrel
There is no "Z" mark on the receiver. It means the rifling grooves had no been deepened from 8.08 mm to 8.2 mm. Is there any risk of excess pressure?
So if you keep trying to avoid doing the SMLE I'm wondering if your planning on doing the MLE first the Long Lees.
It would certainly help
C&Rsenal Yep and I don't have a long Lee to lend so yeah. :P Wish I had one that I could lend but sorry.
So are these general safe to shoot? They've been converted but I've heard you should still be cautious because of their lack of strength compared to a 98.
They should be as long as you get it checked out by a licensed gunsmith who specializes in old rifles.
Haha the Charles Ross graphic.
+shilelea official mascot
+C&Rsenal I thought Mae was your official mascot?
EDSKaR
oh. Well then he is co-star
I bought one over 50 yr's ago , and have probably fired over a thousand rounds thru it with no problems.
What ammo do you use?
@@dongambino5308 standard 8 MM
You mention that some slight modifications were needed in order to use the new spitzer round in the older 1888s while still being able to use the old M/88 round nose ammo. Could the older M/88 rounds be used without issue in new firearms that were designed with the 7.92mm spitzer round in mind?
I ask because China up through WW2 was producing the M/88 alongside spitzer rounds and was curious if they utilized the M/88 only in their Hanyang 88s or if they could just shove them into anything chambered in 7.92 Mauser. Thank you.
an S bore could fire an m/88 but you'd likely see some loss of accuracy. The Hanyang was updated from the old 1888 and, generally would likely handle spitzer without bursting, but I don't think they would feed very well. The trouble is finding a clean enough Hanyang to truly test it out.
I apologize for way I worded my question, but I was curious about the ability of the newer weapons that China ended up importing (the various Mauser Standard rifles and their variations and derivations, ZB-26, MG08 and derivative, etc) in utilizing the older M/88 round, since China (to the best of my knowledge) never stopped producing M/88 ammunition up until the end of the war.
I guess what I'm getting at is if the 1888/S rifles could shoot both spitzer and M/88, and all the newer weapons that China eventually ended up importing could also shoot spitzer and M/88 (albeit with an accuracy loss and/or possible feeding difficulties when shooting M/88) then I guess the decision to continue M/88 production alongside spitzer ammunition would make more sense.
I apologize for what is probably a bizarre question but it's something that's been trying to understand for awhile. Thank you very much.