HOLP Preservation using Invisible Clones, Being Off Camera, & Hitstun
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- I show the new HOLP technology that I've been working on, as I basically walk you through my research from that past few weeks. Here's a quick index:
0:00 Invisible Clones
2:28 Being Off Camera
4:53 Star Activation Cutscenes
7:01 Hitstun
8:27 Pause Buffered Hitstun
The most useful of my findings is the pause buffered hitstun. In fact, I've already used it in 4 separate cases:
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I love how casually you just mention that Astral Projection is a thing in Mario 64 lmao
With just a small donation of 1/2 A-press, you can help preserve the HOLP for generations to come
4:11 One of the rare examples of the Mario 64 camera being TOO good.
fixed cam is good
At this point I'm certain you have enough content to offer a full semester college-level course on Mario 64 glitches.
pr0r0gu3 haha very true
orochimarujes They take it from BitFS.
BitF is a dead comic :(
Sorry I haven't posted much in the past weeks! I've been investigating/testing a lot of stuff in parallel, and now I'm releasing it all at once: 5 videos at the same time! This is the main one, and 4 more are linked in the description. Enjoy!
+pannenkeok2012 No worries, man! Seeing 5 videos when I checked my sub box was just what I needed today, I'm sure others can say the same. =)
Pannenkeok, y u no longer make 4:3 videos?
+pannenkeok2012 In parallel you say...
Alberto Ferrera See, there are commentated videos pending for my main channel and non-commentated ones pending for this channel. Guess which ones I can churn out a lot quicker and more easily?
If this video was 4:3, the powerpoint scenes would have black borders all around, instead of filling the frame.
Downside to continuous pause buffering: delelelelelelelelelelelelelelelele
I like the noise. XD
That, and seizure.
2:47 Goomba: OH SHI- *dead*
reminds me of the enemies in pizza tower when you're running at top speed, though of course that came after this video
MY GOD. Paused buffered I-frames HOLP Preservation!!! This and fixed camera are gonna be amazing!!
I love your visuals man. They really help me understand it, and I can tell you put a lot of work into them.
I can actually think of one use for this. You have 99 coins, preset a HOLP, and use the hitstun to remotely place a coin clone so you can activate the star virtually anywhere you want, and make new use of that star dance clip ;)
A similar trick was used in TTC, wherupon the pause-buffered hitstun method was used to transport bob-ombs higher than usual, allowing for a stardance clip. Unfortunately it's no better than instant-release, but it appears to be more versatile.
2:48 get rekt Goomba
lol that was actually deliberate decision of mine to kill him. He kept hitting me as I walked behind the camera, so I figured it would be easiest to take him out before he got in the way
I love your work so much! Never give up on the 120 Star no A-button Press run!
5:09-Relaxing New-Age Mixtape material.
Off-camera and hitstun? What is this, Super Smash Bros.?
It's just as exploitable.
I'm not seeing Fox or Final Destination. Definitely not.
"HOLP technology", wonderful
This is simply godlike thinking. There's really nothing that you can't figure out man, I bet you know more about how this game works than most of the people working on it did back in the day.
Have you ever thought about following a career on testing software, because you could totally become a big figure. Everytime I need to create a test for any software I'll think about what would you do.
Every once in a while you release a video that is so mind-blowingly fantastic, I just sit there in awe admiring what I just witnessed :D So many new possibilities. Sure, most of them are limited to very specific scenarios but nonetheless, this is really interesting. Great job :D
No problem with you taking time uploading just please don't stop your research its inspiring and very interesting to see my favourite game be even further exploited
4:38 "the astral projection glitch"
Me: Excuse me the WHAT?
Koopa the Quick wondering what the F Mario is doing during their race
about damn time amirite guys
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f to pay respects
Your videos are incredible. I love seeing bugs/quirks like this discovered and used, and your videos are very technical, and you explain it well. And your video quality is great too! Keep it up!
the star cutscene music sounds really cool paulstretched like that
5 videos in one day??? but my birthday isn't until June!! I always love watching these. ^_^
yoo idk how i missed this one but im glad to see pause buffering got a use
>if we perform the astral projection glitch
I KNEW you were a level 15 wizard!
I can't wait to see these methods in future ABC videos!
He did it, the absolute madman!!!
If only the invisibility cap could make MARIO truly invisible...
here it is working now
I found a camera behavior that could potentially be exploited. When you're close enough to the goal pole for the koopa race the camera focuses on the point between Mario and the pole, so Mario doesn't have to be on screen. Tested in Bob-omb battlefield.
If I get a time machine, i'd just go back and do all these glitches to impress friends
What a strange feeling, for Pannen to start explaining Pause Buffering and I think to myself ,"Yeah yeah, I know about this already."
finally found the buffered hit stun video
The god himself, back at it again
Finally some good news
9:41 And that's how you try to become a Goomba in Super Mario 64, just like you normally do in Super Mario Odyssey.
I am now convinced that by this time next year, the ABC run will be 1. 0xA and 2. Literally Quantum Mechanics.
Where Mario is in a state of visible and invisible at the same time (updating and not updating the HOLP at the same time) and when you observe him he's set to one or the other.
*****
What happens? Is there a video of this?
*****
But he doesn't end up in 2 places at once, right?
***** Technically that would be a Quantized PU, not a Quantum PU. Quantum (in reference to an area) implies superposition, while quantized describes discrete units (what you described). In the case which you described, Mario begins acting like a subatomic particle needing more and more energy to enter higher and higher quantum states the farther he goes from the origin.
And some black magic too.
I always wondered what happened when you activated Koopa the Quick's text when the chain chomp's cutscene played. I thought it would softlock the game, however.
I like this science
What is the astral projection glitch? I don't believe you have a video on it but hopefully another person does.
At 6:45 what object are you holding before you clone the coin? I don't know what there is in TTM that would work for that, other than maybe a sound effect clone.
6:30 totally forgot about that
lol you were so close to discovering bca 6 years ago
Astral projection? What?
Also, I never knew you could kill Goombas by ramming into them while flying.
Um.... Neat. I love your videos. I'm confused about this one. I'm normally confused about them. I don't even play this game so.... But I enjoy them a lot. So what is the use of avoiding HOLP updates? I'm sure I learned this from some video of yours, but I can't remember what video.
faceshed A thrown ibject is released at the holp. So if you throw one without the holp being at mario, you can make it appear other places.
NotchMath
Thanks.
3:13-SHENANIGANS!
How does pause buffering work on enemys? For example, in the case of the mystery goomba, if you pause buffered, could you make it stay in place as you moved one frame at a time or something?
Very few things rely on the global timer. I don't believe goombas do
When the game pauses, it shows a really zoomed-out view of the course. If Mario and the object he is holding are visible in the zoomed-out picture when the game's paused, why doesn't the HOLP update?
Ethan White probably because while they are visible, they are not being rendered. the game most likely uses an image of the course instead of rendering it all in 3d
+skeeth It is being rendered in 3D; you can tell because certain animations, like bowser and the penguins blinking, still happen when the game is paused.
You can't release anything while you are paused, so the creators saw no reason to update the Holp within pause frames.
is it possible to kill the mystery goomba with a bomb omb and the hitstun release?
So Hat in hand glitch works because while holding hat graphics of object aren't shown,and HOLP don't update!
Yeah,finally i know how it works XD
Wait how do you lock the camera during PU movement?
What if Mario gets a 100 coin on a moving / rotating platform? Can you get far enough away from the camera on the "save and continue / save and quit etc" screen?
Pannenkoek, did you ever think that you could have a two player game and clone Luigi or Mario to get to the mystery goomba? Do you think that could work?
How nice of the goomba to escort you
So, in the mirror room you can render mario's reflection without rendering him. What happens then?
+NotchMath Can you get the holp to update behind the mirror?
+NotchMath holy shit, pannenkoek should try it with cheats though!
I intended for it to be with cheats, but it could provide some important insight onto how rendering works.
what is the hitstun timer variable adress
Forgot about this alternate channel; pannenkeok is best pannenkoek. Looking forward to seeing other applications of the new tech!
It's so weird to me how the HOLP updates based on where the object is being rendered. You'd think it'd be the other way around, but nope. If Mario's holding an object but it's not being rendered, the HOLP doesn't update.
Most games determine if an object potentially invisible and won't be rendered, a process called clipping, by at the very least checking if an object's bounding box is neither inside nor intersects the view frustum. Just because you can't see Mario, like in those cases where you couldn't see Mario on screen but the HOLP was updating, the bounding box is still still inside the view frustum and can be seen, meaning the game thinks he is on-screen and Mario gets rendered.
It can be overridden using view occlusion or portals, which basically won't render an object if it is behind another object, but Mario 64 doesn't have vis occlusion nor view portals, hence why you can be behind walls but Mario still gets rendered and the HOLP updates.
What do you use to animate? (I personally think you are using powerpoint, but...)
yup, all powerpoint (specifically, the 2010 version)
Cool! Personally, whenever I am asked in school to make powerpoints, I spend almost 70% of the time making the animations look cool.
How do I get the XYZ coordinates to show up in a rom? Is it doable in Project 64, or do I need another emulator?
You can just use a 3rd party program to see the coordinates, such as MHS or CheatEngine
You have such an interesting history with abusing goombas for personal gain. XP
When mankind is given an infinite amount of something, he must experiment every possility.
Is this guy the new ulillillia?
damn son
how many a presses could this save?
bruhhh SMM speedruns Rus in my vague understanding of it this will give more opportunity for placing cloned items or mobs around the map, letting him set up Goombas to bounce on etc
bruhhh SMM speedruns Rus 0.5
Star jingle slowed down tho...
2:56 camera on chomp
You really should put like an epilepsy warning on the video. The pause-buffered hitstun gave me a wicked headache... :( Great vid tho
Oh gee, the croud is gonna love the astral projections :o
How come setting R to fix the camera won't work?
That's exactly what I did in the video. But even from a fixed position, it still turns to face Mario.
you should voice these "longer" vids. much better if you can focus on the actual stuff happening in the video and don't have to read these walls of text ath the same time. plus you have a nice voice.
still very informative vid.
Okay, I'll add it to the queue of commentated videos to do. Might be out in a year or two if we're lucky
You should use hacks to clone Bowser
What does HOLP mean?
You may wan't to put a seizure warning near the end
I'm new to this thing, what does HOLP stands for?
+Rudi
Held
Object's
Last
Position
Held Object's Last Position. The game usually updates this as you hold an object and move, so it can determine where it spawns when you throw it, but there are a lot of interesting ways & effects involved with having it not update. Like say, telling the HOLPs to be in a nice diagonal line so you can pick up and release Goomba clones to make a sort of Goomba staircase! (pannenkoek uses that strategy in one of his A press challenge vids)
I've finally found god, and he plays Super Mario 64
Will this save any A presses?
Yes.
4:12 The camera has aimbot
HOLy craP
You're wrong at 1:57. You do clone the coin but in a premature state (you can see the coin doesn't spawn in the usual spot). You actually made a video about that more than two years ago: th-cam.com/video/ebARfEYGBEc/w-d-xo.html
But still, pause buffered hitstuns, that's AMAZING. I would never have thought of using the hitstun invisibility like that.
I still feel like being off camera still has more potential than you gave it credit for, though. I mean I don't know why it happened but as I explained in a comment in your HOLP Doesn't Update when Mario's Far from the Camera video I tried it and a goomba clone appeared something like 400 units to the side of where he should've spawned.
imgur.com/6shXX5n
Weren't you able to reproduce it or is another video coming up?
Also, I'd still want to know how Heave-ho and Chuckya interact with Mario when he isn't rendered, because after all they throw him from his visible body.
A goomba clone appearing the wrong place is probably a result of transport cloning, i.e. the goomba was being pushed by another goomba at the moment you released the clone. I have a video about it on my main channel.
That's disappointing, but you're probably right :(
I was near the goomba triplet so that's probably what caused it.
+locked_lunatic Wait, if he did prematurely clone the coin, that invalidates the experiment. It's possible an object without a premature state _can_ be released with zero visible frames, at the HOLP, without requiring Mario to be invisible. +pannenkeok2012 have you tried this?
Often what I show in my videos are simplistic examples, and my real tests were done earlier. This is one of those cases. I had actually first tested this with goombas, who don't have a premature form. However, to do this, I hacked the goomba spawner to be underground and you couldn't even see the goombas loading (I watched the OBJ count using MHS to check this). But that example would be confusing and unintuitive for viewers, so I just showed a more simplistic example for the video, albeit not quite as a definitive example due to coins having a premature form.
Goomba Simulator 2016 amirite
pannekoek2012 s channel is at 10.000 substituir now
EDIT:damn portuguese autocorrect
*Subs
TH-cam redirects to...nothing!! Nobody compared to Pannenkoek2012.
Wow. 20 years since release and the is still being played and new things are being discovered. Good job, Nintendo.
I bet someone who doesn't know what any of this means is so confused right now
but why?
to save A presses
respectable answer
what is holp
He explains this on the video "SM64-Stomp On The Thwomp-6x A Presses (Commentated)" on his other channel.
Held Object's Last Position.
i already know ive used it a lot on my experiements like making a goomba house
Idk what a holp is but ok
+Matthew28845 Held Object Last Position. It's used to keep track of where to spawn the held object when Mario releases it, and is used in some low-A-press level runs.
me while watching: what the fuck is a HOLP lol
I should get an award for a fast reply, but HOLP stands for held object's last position.
Seriously, get into medicine, physics, anything!
Your brain is too useful to focus only on Mario 64.
Method 6 sucks