Delta Force/CIA Operator works with German GSG-9 Police Force
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2023
- Bob talks about his time working with the German GSG 9 and using car nets to catch subjects. GSG 9, or Grenzschutzgruppe 9, is a German counter-terrorism and special operations police unit of the German Federal Police. It was created in 1972 in the wake of the Munich Olympics hostage crisis and is one of the world's most elite and specialized law enforcement and counter-terrorism units. GSG 9 is tasked with responding to major incidents including hostage taking, kidnapping, terrorism and extortion.
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My Dad worked with them, DET "A" out of West Berlin, spoke highly of them
I remember Dale Comstock discussing this operation a while back as well.
I had to look it up, was not Dale who recounted the tale, but George E. Hand.
Slight correction, the German military is not allowed to work within German borders except if there is a war or a natural disaster. That is why the GSG9 is not part of the military.
That is also the reason why the GSG9 can be send to foreign soil without a mandate by the Bundestag. An example would be operation Feuerzauber.
Slight correction to the correction: The German military is allowed to work inside the borders outside war or natural disaster as long as the states are not capable of handling it alone. This even includes using the armed forces as quasi police forces to protect important places and structures.
@@Ruhrpottpatriot I think the first instance was the flood of Hamburg, when the Senator of Hamburg Helmut Schmidt (which is a city and also it's own state) called in favors with his friends in the Bundeswehr to airlift people of rooftops general relief. He later became Chancellor of west Germany and called the go on Feuerzauber.
@@Vans89 Yes. And technically he broke the law back then. The laws that allowed the German army t support civilian institutions were only made after that.
@@Ruhrpottpatriot many ppl don't know: it includes also direct (armed) action against *organized* and/or military armed forces (ONLY in case of §87a)
To make it absolutely clear: The regular German police is employed and works for and under the law of it's country (Bavaria, Rhineland-Palantine, Saxonia,....).
The GSG9 is a unit within the federal Border Security Police. That's the reason their name is GSG9 - GrenzSchutz Gruppe 9 - which means word by word Border Security Group 9.
They were founded because of the Olympic Games in Munic 1972 and had been around 200 guys that time. The terrorists held hostages but the german constitution doesn't alow the military to work within german borders except for war and catastrophes. And the regular police wasn't trained to face stuff like this so far.
Then they decided, Germany needs a special unit for counter terrorism and fights within urban area and buildings etc.
GSG9 became famous because of the highjacked plane "Landsburg".
*Landsberg
Some slight corrections:
The German border police (BGS, Bundesgrenzschutz) is no longer existent. It has been transformed and the tasks of border protection been taken over by the Federal Police (Bundespolizei).
The perception that it takes a war or natural desaster or similar for the German military to be active on German soil is wide spread, but wrong. Any tasks the states aren’t capable of handling themselves they can ask the federal government for help and this can (of course) include the deployment of Bundeswehr troops (even armed if necessary).
And the hijacked plane was called „Landshut“.
;-)
But the german GSG9 is Not only allowed to work in germany, they can "hunt" their targets across Our borders if its needed.
@@Honsou472 Tja, und das Flugzeug hieß halt trotzdem Landshut
One of the biggest issues, was the live coverage on TV, as the terrorist could simply watch whatever the police was doing, live on the news.
Nice to see as a german that our GSG9 is helding up a high standard.
I think most of the german citizens aren't aware of the capabilities and reputation of the GSG9.
I went to military museums in the US and even there our GSG9 is present like no other german unit.
Which is somewhat disturbing since the GSG 9 is not a military formation, but a police unit ...
@@Uli_Krosse Before germany opened borders due to eu and reunification. The BGS or today called Bundespolizei was a paramilitary unit thats why they could work outisde germany. Today the Bundeswehr has the KSK for this.
@@indahooddererste Yes and no. In 94 the GSG 9 lost their combattant status and the KSK was founded in 96. Still, it has always been a Police unit, otherwise it would have no power inside of German borders. GSG 9 was always a subdivision of the Bundesgrenzschutz which itself was a police force and is now called Bundespolizei. So, rather no - they never were military.
I think the problem with us Germans is the massive distance from our military, as well as the police. Many see both as enemy images instead of the friend and helper that the majority of them are. Many are afraid of weapons and the like because they only know them from games and films. Sentences like "You didn't have to kill him, a shot in the leg would have been enough" show the lack of understanding of both sectors.
@@CalloutWraith Not sure if it's really "many" people per se - I do however think that the people who say things like that are the ones who speak the loudest by default. I do remember that question - I believe it was Künast - about why some perp had not been "shot and immobilized" and for what German Police had shooting training at all ... man, that was hard.
Just for clearance: The GSG 9 is not the equivalent for American SWAT units. That'd be the German SEK (Sondereinsatzkommando). The GSG 9 is an even more tactical (police) unit with its main focus on hostage rescue. They even come close to some military special operating units which is probably why they had the opportunity to train with Delta Force.
Well that depends what American SWAT unit you're comparing them to.
@@broflo3875 Yeah you could maybe somewhat compare them to HRT but in Germany the SEK and the GSG9 are not even commanded by the same agency. HRT is considered a SWAT unit and is also part of the FBI i think (correct me if i'm wrong). In Germany the SEK units are part of the police force of one the 16 federal states while the GSG 9 is part of the Bundespolizei or German federal police, which illustrates quite well the difference between those two elite police units (not even speaking about the obvious tactical difference: The SEK guys are really good but GSG 9, as i said, might even come close to some military spec ops. ) I think when said Swat and didn't include HRT i could've been a bit more precise but most people will know what i mean.
@@Geralt.5261 There's FBI SWAT and FBI HRT, which is a more counter terrorism/hostage rescue focused SWAT team. The truth however is that most large police departments in the US have tactical teams that conduct similar operations to HRT at a higher frequency and go through much of the same training. Many SWAT teams continuously train with US special operations units at home and foreign ones abroad. They tend to have the man power and money to do so. Furthermore, the large metropolitan areas they serve allow them to become well versed in just about every tactical operation imaginable.
@@broflo3875 I'd say that GSG9 is equivalent to the HRT, while the SEK is equivalent to the local SWAT teams. The FBI SWAT doesn't really have an equivalent in Germany.
That being said, German special police units don't see nearly as much action as the American ones.
The biggest differences between the GSG9 (Federal Police ), and the SEK ( Federal state Police ) is the Money they get and can use. The GSG) hase more funding then the SEK from the Federal states. Other wise there very close. ZUZ (Zentrale Unterstützungsgruppe Zoll; customs) is the Special forces unit from customs.
All in all the biggest difference is funding. Because the SEK, GSG9 and ZUZ can work hand in hand together.
Its not like the SEK is an Support unit to the GSG9. There all on the same level.
NO ONE WILL COME AFTER THEM.
GSG-9 equivalent of professional probably the best tactical police unit out there
Definetly up there with the HRT!
@@Max-jr8ky agreed, same with french GIGN
@@Max-jr8ky GSG9 is operating in Afghanistan and co. Dont know about HRT doing that
@@user-rx3uq9fs2m do some research about the hrt, they are active overseas
@@Max-jr8ky ah sweet
Bob Poras always reminds me of Domingo Chavez from the Tom Clancy Universe.
Haha right on!
😂 badass 👍
Tuco?? 😎👍🏻
That's cool 🇺🇸
I think I just heard a real quiet and grainy "tango down"
Another great guest. Thank you Shawn I appreciate you.
German here:
Glad to have you guys on our side to learn with and from. The US breeds some of the best warriors, awesome to collaborate with as well. Hope it stays that way, even if we trashtalk each other from time to time.
Thanks for sharing my friend.
Yes, amazing warriors that lost against lesser armies. Such as Vietnam, Afghanistan etc etc.
@@wolvwwc we didn’t “lose”. It’s all politics. You think we couldn’t just lay waste to them all? Lol
U.S. Army Vet here, we will always trash talk each other, but in the end we have each others backs 100 percent!!!!!!! Love to Germany.
@@wolvwwc the Taliban didn't win a single engagement against the US army . And the vietcong and vietmihn also lost the vast majority of direct engagements against the US armed forces. And diehn bien phu they lost 60 to 100 000 soldiers against a much smaller French force.
Another awesome interview. Great job guys!!!
Thanks for tuning in!!
The best thing about these interviews are (Having the feeling like i'm sitting in a leather chair in the room with these awesome guest and Shawn)... Let's all get comfy for another real great story!!! Salute👻
The CIA raped South Americans
Been waiting on this one thanks 👍🏼
It's refreshing to see an operator that's not all tatteted up.
I mean he’s a older operator. I feel like the new generation operators are all tatted up. Not to say there isn’t operators Bobs age that are tatted up, I just think it might be the minority in that age range.
What’s it matter?
@@paranormaltraveler-pennsyl1721 Let's start with easy identification and anonymity compromise.
@Roland Griffin I understand.
@@paranormaltraveler-pennsyl1721 Being tatteted up is a cry for attention. It signals underlying emotional issues.
Ten seconds in and I can tell this is another goated episode, can't wait to listen to it at the gym later.
Ten seconds in I realised how disjointed this guys conversation and description skills are. No disrespect to the guy but it’s a struggle to actually comprehend what he’s actually trying to say 😂
Keep up the great interviews sean!
Billy Waugh absolutely needs to be a guest on this and all other podcast. Probably the greatest operator is US History. Everybody should read Surprise, Kill, Vanish by Annie Jacobsen . He’s the main source for that book. It’s the secret history of CIA paramilitary armies, operators, and assassins!
YES
I doubt he’ll ever do an interview on camera
He's dead now lol
That is a straight fact. Not many know who he is
For anyone wondering. Dude has 50 years of service ranging from special forces (Green Beret), MACV-SOG and CIA Special Activities Division and will turn 94 soon.
Greetings from Germany!
Big Fan was waiting for our Special Troops review
Shawn I gotta say you look like you are doing good man, glad to see that. Keep up the good work man
Always good content.
Love the content, wouldn’t hear these stories otherwise.
I would love to see a demonstration of one of those nets working... Sounds like something you'd see on one of the newer shows on CBS, Fox etc. Really cool story to hear
Tons of vids on TH-cam of them.
Ryan you are f** amazimg man! Thank for this content!
awesome interview.those guys were in Kosovo as part of special team 6 under UN. Awesome guys
2 elite units working together, great!
just a little correction, GSG-9 is federal police. state police special units are called sek and mek, comparable to us swat teams. GSG-9 is more like fbi, dea, atf special units, since all those organisations are com´bined here in germany. army special forces are egb which is sort of rangers and the ksk, the german tier 1 unit comparable to delta oder the ksm which is like the german seals. little different organisation compard to the us system.
Not right, the FBI would be the BKA while the GSG9 belongs to the BPOL
@@gruenwalski8821 better google what federal police means. us has a different system than germany. fbi is a federal agency, but there are many in the us.
@@amoredfist exactly, but the tasks fit most to the ones, that the BKA has, too, don't they?
Correction for the Correction. MEK isn't state police but BKA. EGB Forces, also called German Rangers, are specialized forces and not special forces. The only Special Force of the Army (Heer) is the KSK and the Tier system doesn't work with our military
@@Nick-yo4bwcorrection of the correction of the correction. Yes the BKA has an MEK but so do the state police’s. How do I know? I’m a German police officer. It’s a big misconception because people always only hear about the SEK.
Great clip
Thank you!
Good stuff.
GSG -9 Were chasing terrorists in the mid seventies when I was stationed in Germany. They were training our operators how to get the bad guys in domestic settings.
Know this story from a fella named panda during training . Great story. Aircraft retention net ..... so awesome. Explain how they got in the cars.
The German GSG and SEK is so cool.
3:18 I waited up until this very moment for you to ask that question, how in the hellll....
GSG 9 is short for GrenzSchutzGruppe 9, literally border protection unit 9. Bundesgrenzschutz (federal border patrol) was the old name for what's now called Bundespolizei (federal police). Their highest commander is the German Minister of the interior while the "regular" police force and their special units like SEK, MEK, USK report to the respective state's Minister of the interior.
GSG9: You want some of our car stopper nets? 😊 CIA: Meh...ok. 😒
I thought they were talking about the equipment, I was excited that GSG made a 9mm model, didn't know they were talking about a group. 😂 😂
Germany 🇩🇪 and Austria 🇦🇹 have the best Special Police Units in Europe. (GSG9, EKO Cobra, WEGA etc.)
Change my Mind.
They need them due to multi racial societies being inherently unstable.
The net he is describing definitely sounds interesting and different. Some police departments in the USA are using the vehicle deployed net, just recently there was a police chase in Arizona that ended with the vehicle net being used. But it looks like a repo truck tow bar in the front of a police truck, and then the net is packed on it it, when they approach the vehicle from behind in a chase and kinda ram it at ground level with the net, the criminals vehicles rear wheels suck up the net then it becomes entangled and the vehicle skids to a stop.
They catch airplanes with nets - stopping a car is a piece of cake as long as the anchor point doesnt give. 😅 Like he said, cars are a good anchor point because the target wont be able to drag two along. A pair of strong trees will also just work fine. Remember: A big tree always wins in stopping a car. 😉
Shawn, you should get Pat Mac in your podcast.
Up with that comment.
He is down to earth and i learned so much from him.
I think it could be really cool to hear more stories from Canadians or experiences of guys working with Canadians. U.S and Canada have the closest alliance, and I would love to hear more on that.
i'm pretty sure there's a canuck coming up in the new few episodes. totally agree brother
@@moquavius1179 yeah, it's the jtf2 operator with the longest sniper kill record
Id like to hear an interview from that Canadian sniper that hit the longest shot ever.
Almost every opp in the middle east was with nato alliance partners
totally think the same thing!
You Know who I'd like to see you interview is John Allen AKA Mr ballen, if you haven't already, be interesting to hear his story on your channel...
We would love to have Mr. Ballen on the show!
@@ShawnRyanClips maybe if there was a way to reach out on one of his platforms, I think an interview would be so awesome... @mrballen #mrballen
Yesss
And he could tell us a weird way to smash the like button for this channel 😂
I would love to hear the story from the schmucks who took the force of that net out of nowhere. Could you imagine just driving down the road and BAM! Talk about a surprise.
"How to break into an armored car." I was going to suggest impounding the vehicle and starving them out. CS gas in the air ducts sounds way more fun.
"Allowed to operate on their home turf."
really means they dont have to pretend to not operate at home.
😂
I think he was in the same unit with Pat Macnamara??
Could be wrong
Pat spent time in Germany, so it sounds feasible.
Literally asked what I was thinking-
Net cathing cars, sounds a bit Willey Coyote :D
I’m 38 and still wanna try and join
Let’s do it.
Just kiddin. It would I be cool though.
My only issue is that in the last 20 years these wars were alll about money and power.
Nothing to do with “freedom”
At your age you’re better off Joining the police force instead … then hit up swat
Think your time passed my dude.
Dont let yourself talk in from these ch*mps above me. You still can enlist and many get back at it at an even higher age.
The police departments S.W.A.T. teams have a newer version of this that they have on the front of their tactical vehicles that sticks out and wraps around the back tires...it looks awesome.
Yes but in that case you need to get right up on the vehicle. In Bosna doing that to a war lord would get you shot
Nice.
Grüße aus Berlin 🇩🇪
I thought GSG was a special federal police unit. Kinda like FBI HRT
Yes the gsg9 is a police unit
Or BORTAC here in the states, but they are not a "military" unit?
As a German.. if the GsG9 is coming for you , lay down on the ground , dont move your eye shuts, you have no chance ....dont act like a fool....be gentle, if you won't com out alive of this ...
The GSG9 is part of the Federal Police yes. The military cannot operate in the country without a really good reason such as a flood or something similar
Straight up professional assassins, breaking down their tactics.. Years, and years of Military training get you operational experience, to get you into a Black Ops Intelligence direct action sqadron... This dude you do NOT WANT TO FUCK WITH.PERIOD
Worked with Ninja in Iraq. He is a solid dude. Professional, smart and man of his word.
it's a small world. Thanks for sharing!
@@ShawnRyanClips I know what you mean, but i think it s more like the internet that makes our current world look small
Thank you
@@lauradeprisco7044 Yes ma’am! He kept me busy writing/planning during my time with him. Very laid back but in a John Wick type of demeanor. Lol.
Please, pass on my hello’s, respect and blessings to your family. God bless, “JB”
As real as it gets, so "naturally" explained: business as usual.
Bob is seriously wondering if he has erroneously disclosed at this point.
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Haven't seen Nijia since late Dec 09'
The military counterpart is the KSK.
The biggest differences between the GSG9 (Federal Police ), and the SEK ( Federal state Police ) is the Money they get and can use. The GSG) hase more funding then the SEK from the Federal states. Other wise there very close. ZUZ (Zentrale Unterstützungsgruppe Zoll; customs) is the Special forces unit from customs.
All in all the biggest difference is funding. Because the SEK, GSG9 and ZUZ can work hand in hand together.
Its not like the SEK is an Support unit to the GSG9. There all on the same level.
NO ONE WILL COME AFTER THEM.
What episode
GSG9 is basically the SWAT of the FBI.
His dude is so low-key.. looks like a tourist, no one would suspect he is a trained operative. Scary stuff
SUNGLASES! He must be from LA. They wear SUNGLASSES 🕶 in NIGHT CLUBS 😅
I'm sitting here remembering the Myth Busters episode where they built one of these out of duct tape and they broke one of the concrete construction barriers.
What 😂😂
@@ShawnRyanClips The car net (duct tape) was anchored to concrete construction barriers that I think were rebar'd into the black top. The duct tape held the car but the concrete failed.
Is there a guy who orders the civilian clothes for these low key urban ops. Or does everyone just go on the old navy website and ship them to a secret squirrel base lol
Really depends on the opp, if you work with the agency then that stuff will probably get fixed for you lol
First thing I was thinking too
Almost positive I have seen video of US police using those nets.
This guy is so used to being in the CIA his stroies are very vague sounding. Not taking a hit at the dude but to a basic civilian it's tricky to follow along
The ninja is a badass 🇺🇸✝️👍⚔️🗡️
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I rem Shawn back in the day years and years ago , With Rut Marcus And Morgan i think but doing breakdowns too.. but with real world in county experience with what ever platform it was SCAR etc
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LOL sometimes im like can they say that LOL , That's how Insane they are, fuckin Crazy..
I'm talking Goosebumps & hair standing on end shit.. Fucking Love this show So much Thanks Shawn Huge Fan!!
I think a comparison would be FBI HRT
Not entirely correct, because the GSG9 also regularly has missions abroad
@@behappy9184 FBI HRT also deploys overseas frequently. Throughout 2002 and 2010 most HRT operators had three to five deployments to Afghanistan.
KSK is crazy.
GSG 9 is German Federal Police. KSK is one of the special forces of the German Armed Forces. So one is police the other military.
👉👉‼I find it almost a bit strange that one guy here doubts the safety net so much - I mean, to be honest, when have the Germans ever invented something technical that didn't prove its worth in the end or was even a market leader? It's very rare that real German misdevelopments were created. In addition, Germany has its own large authority which tests all materials for the Bundeswehr and GSG9 etc. with long, long tests for effectiveness and functionality.
Thank you for being in my lovely country bosnia
Wile E. Coyote would be proud
The real question is why was the US over there anyways?
GSG9 is a Federal police unit not military our KSK cant operate in germany too bcause its military.
They are allowed to...wtf😮
Sounds like a Support guy talking
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Auto Theft Tasks Forces all over Modern America have vehicle deployed arresting nets. No anchors needed. Do it on the fly while moving.
Pretty sure he’s talking about 25+ year old ops since it’s Bosnia…
Small correction gsg9 are cops like FBI hrt
GsG9 boarder defend unit 9 , in German Grenzschutz Gruppe 9 ......
@@joergfro7149 yeah but the bundesgrenzschutz got disbanded and got rolled in to the bundespolizei(federal police)
De Opresso Liber 🇺🇸
Germans are serious, i remember passing through the Airport in Frankfort and even the police there were serious.
you can't fight military grade cs gas
Mastering the basics! Welcome to the British Army!
Sounds like a supper guy talking
We had some dealings with the GSG9 in the 80’s in West Germany when we went on full alert after President Reagan tried to kill Qaddafi and the Red Army Faction and every camel bricker was trying to kill us. Good Times 😁🤘🏻oh and at the same time a fucking radio active cloud was floating over from Chernobyl 😂
you know he talking about mexico
I think it’s cute you think the CIA doesn’t operate domestically
Netting some baddies…
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Not a lot about GSG9, a bit click bait. Has this guy got a bit of lag in his brain, there's a weird delay when he's giving answers
Years ago ... GSG-NINER associates replicated a US SWAT competition course in Germany, by sending a German film crew to the US location pretending 2 DO an "interest piece" on the event ... Approx a week later, the GS goofs won the event hands down & zipped out of the US B4 their Paulaner lost it's head. F-sticks
I mean, that's SMART
source?
Be honest. If the Americans had pulled that one off, they would habe bragged about it afterwards and would STLL be jerking each other off for having been so brilliant.
cope
@@sugandesenuds6663 'twas there
Not sure if still true but as it’s a police anti-terror group to join you had to leave the military and join the police.Crazy😜
Something like that, yes. The military cannot normally deploy troops within germany, so if you're gonna have an anti-terror force which obviously needs the ability of operating domestically, they can't be part of the military.
The german military ⚔ is still a force to be reckoned with
GSG9 is police
Germans 🇩🇪🤚🏼
Why didn’t you actually just talk to GSG-9 operators rather then get a seppo to tell you about them?
From someone living in Germany, amazing to see that something from Germany is actually working :)
Great content as always Shawn
The white undershirt over a collared shirt alsys looks so dorky and extremely hot and uncomfortable
The straps won't break. It was designed by Germans. It's fine German engineering
#FREETOPG
I am sure the Americans were happy to work with professionals for once.
Did a european killd bin laden?