Not even the new 2021 model has cruise control yet, all the big nakeds have it, and the not so big ones are starting to have it too. I just can't understand why Honda is still missing on this!
Guess they just don't want. Heard somewhere that Honda say both hands belong on the grips if u ride a sporty Honda. Would not wonder if they advise us in next manual to wash our hands. Ye daddy Honda, got it. :D
I guess because they know that people will buy it anyway! That's what happens when you create something a little bit different and it gets put towards the hipster cool bracket. People will buy it, even if it doesn't really work as well as the others, because it's cool!
I didn't bought this bike only because of this, and I know more people saying the same. With the cheap MTs all around I wouldn't joke about sales so much, Honda is losing turf every day now, at least here in Portugal.
Most Honda inline 4 seems to have this nasty buzz and vibration around the 5000-6000 rpm range. I've seen this first hand on CB650F, and have heard it exists on CB650R.
I heard somewhere (unconfirmed) that Honda didn’t bother with balance shafts, to reduce cost and complication. Not sure if it’s true, but the buzz was angry and spoiled a great bike for me. Could also be fueling as it seemed less with high octane fuel.
Yes. Shame because for the price it should be perfect. Vibration is a total NO NO fir me. The cb 400 sounds better. Also I don't like the single swing Arm. Crappy basic brake and clutch levers. A few people at Honda need be fired lol. Apart from all that it's a great bike , but after seeing this video it's completely put me OFF now ever thinking of getting a CB 1000 or 650
Don’t let this video put you off completely. The bike is brilliant. I love riding it more than anything I’ve ridden so far. The simple levers never bothered me and they were easily swapped. The radial master cylinder and calipers give stonking braking performance. The vibes is more of a tuning thing in my opinion. I fitted a boosterplug and the vibes are noticeably reduced. I really love the single sided swing arm, though i would prefer if it were black! The real killer for the bike though is the terrible finish. Paint coming off all over the place after just one year. That and the awful 20 year old rear shock. It’s horrible! 😖
All bikes have issues I have a GS1200 the batteries in the tyre pressure sensors have died, they use button batteries about $3 Australian which are sealed in the sensors so when they go flat you have to buy new sensors it is going to cost $340.00 Australian each fitted WTF! So now I am riding with no tyre pressure readout.No big deal you might think but I got use seeing the pressures without pulling out the gauge and doing it manually. These bike companies weather they are English, Japanese or German don't give a s#_^&t. And yes I am pissed off!!🤬
Now that is a special kind of annoying! The real question is, did they think that the bike wouldn’t last as long as the sensor batteries? Or do they just think that their customers have got SO much money, that they’ll just shell out ten times as much to replace 3€ batteries?! Disgusting!!
Hi from Greece. I have the same bike almost two years and 20k km done. I agree with almost all of your complains especially the rear shock and the soft paint. I've changed quite a bit of things such as full exhaust system by akrapovic, lithium battery, mirrors, brake and clutch levers etc. Despite all gripes I absolutely love this bike, and God permits, I'm going to make it better with new mods. It's a bike that never let's you down or be vanilla as they say. Also it is very trustworthy in terms of handling and power delivery. She is my love and you are going to feel the same.
@@AndyManCam those are very unsettling news to me. Mine is fine till now I suppose. But cause I'm curious please do explain how is comming off. Like fainting or like little chips? In any case you should press Honda to fix it. If your dealer is uncooperative send Honda an email with photos.
Slow reply! It was wearing off the front from the spray from the wheel AND it was flaking off the side covers as the aluminum was corroding. It took lots of arguing to get Honda to swap the engine casing, but they wouldn’t even accept that the paint from the front of the engine wasn’t normal. Apparently it was my fault for getting the bike wet.
@@AndyManCam I am /was a big Honda fan. But now I have moved away from Honda because of the poor build quality. I have a triumph, z1000 and 2 Honda cbr929 ( when quality was good) the z1000 I have just bought (2015) leaves the cb1000r standing for quality. Shame as I liked the Honda but will not spend good money on something that looks shit after 6 months . I think most bikes now after 2018 have gone down hill. I hear Harley Davidson are in trouble now and the new triumphs are starting to have problems now they are made over seas. Stick to pre 2018 bikes if you can
I prefer your FZ1 to this bike, the Honda just looks like I mismatch of parts that don’t seem to go with each other. But you love it and that’s all that matters. All the best from a equally wet UK.
I dont mind the lack of a hydraulic clutch so much. Anything goes wrong, i can work the clutch with a piece of string tied to my leg! Sometimes simple is better! The bike is overpriced for what you get though.
I have considered the throttle body possibility. But it looks pretty complicated on this bike! More pipes than a Scottish marching band! I'd also rather hoped that the bike would come from the factory, already set up as good as it ever would be. Naturally I know that that that sadly isn't the world in which we live!
Based on my experience with the quality of finish on ‚the ugly one‘ I predict that all black editions that see any moisture will look exponentially more ugly after a couple of seasons, when the swanky black finishes fall off and leave lovely swathes of corroding metal showing through. 👍🏻 Needless to say, I no longer have either and will never have one from the big H again.
My CB1000R rins smooth as glass. No vibration at all. Not buzzy. I agree about the front fender... The pops and crackels are usually associated wirh bad fuel mapping. Honda usually do not have that until they hit the rev limiter. Now, if you like that popping...buy a Triumph. They are notorious for popping, cracklings and sometimes .. bursting into flames.. Me thinks you complain too much.
I guess everything is relative. Maybe i'm more sensitive to the vibes or perhaps even less tolerant. Or maybe yours is just better balanced. The pops and crackles I'm talking about have nothing to do with bad fuelling, In fact most of the time they're programmed into the bike on purpose to burn off any extra fuel in the pipe and improve emissions. But it seems that with the Euro 4 gubbins in the pipe, the extra pops are either muffled out or unneeded.
The popping on decell is because unburnt fuel is detonating in the exhaust. Usually due to a rich condition. It can also hapoen in a lean condition when the innards of the exhaust get so hot, that they ignite the fuel mix again....in the exhaust.. so...fuel mapping? Never heard of normal popping...
Modern bikes have an entire system dedicated to promoting the combustion of unburnt fuel in the exhaust system. Trust me, every modern electrically fuel injected bike pumps air into the exhaust tract so that unburnt fuel can burn before it leaves the bike. This burning causes the pops. It’s more noticeable if a bike has been decatted or if an aftermarket endcan has been fitted as the sound isn’t deadened. In any case, if the manufacturers put a system in to do this, then it is very normal. Also a rich mix will pop less as the extra fuel actually has a detonation retarding effect. It’s why a rich fueled engine will run smoother (and cooler) than a lean fuelled engine, in which the fuel tends to predetonate (exploding before the spark) and cause rough running leading to vibrations and increased heat.
Wow. Great video. But... balls. Now you have put me off the Honda CB 1000 R. LOL. I am looking to buy a Naked / Retro kind of bike, and after looking at the BMW R Nine T, the Kawasaki Z900RS, the Yamaha XSR 900, the Triumph Speed Twin 1200, the Moto Guzzi VIII Stone ... I had nearly settled on the Honda CB 1000 R. But now I have my doubts. Truth be said, local dealers have no availability of the XSR 900, or the Z900 RS or the R Nine T... So now I do not know if to wait for more bikes to arrive, buy the Honda or jump off a cliff! I tested the Triumph Speed Twin 1200, it was nice, but it is too retro looking for my liking. For weight, height and price I have my head set on the Yamaha XSR 900, but many reviews say it is uncomfortable, and somewhat cheaply finished... I will keep searching. Thanks for your videos. They are great.
The CB1000R is an awesome bike, no doubt. I’ve loved riding it, it’s impossibly good fun in the twisties, the motor is strong and it looks the tits. But the quality of finish has been a constant bother. Although i wouldn’t want to dissuade you as it’s a beautiful machine, i wouldn’t buy it new again. If you can get a good deal, you’ll probably not regret it and you’ll enjoy the bike. But list price is too much for what you get.
Thank God there are no crackles. Why would anyone like that when ware looking for a refined motor. Back in the day, the car would be brought in for a tune up. There’s a reason Ferrari refuses to implement that feature into their cars. Buy hey, to each his own. My 2018 CB650F doesn’t crackle either. That engine is literally music to my ears. I’ll start it up and rev it, just to hear the motor. I just got a 2022 S1000R and it doesn’t crackle either 🙏.
It just so happens that pretty much every modern bike has pops and crackles. It’s built into the engine as a result of the air recycling system that is used to clean up emissions. Air is fed into the exhaust tract and any unburnt fuel is exploded before it exits the bike. The only thing is that it happens before all of the Euro5 silencing and catalysers so we don’t hear it.
@@AndyManCam I had no idea it was for emissions. My new BMW s1000r is Euro 5 and you would be surprised at how massive the catalytic converter is. The whole system weighs 24lbs with the actual exhaust can being almost 4lbs and the headers being another 2-3lbs. That’s the bike’s biggest flaw. The massive catalytic converter being exposed with no fairing to hide it. The bike is almost whisper quiet below 4-5k rpm too. The Honda cb1000r was on my short list. BMW’s generous discount is what made the BMW my choice. There are virtually no deals with the shortages of motorcycles as well.
It’s the small things that add up sadly :( but the bike is built down to a price and is value for money but sadly some areas do suffer :( - lucky it’s all sortable
Got mine for 6000.00 US. Dealer was going out of bussiness. Same /thing for my VFR1200.. a 2010 model with less than 50 miles on it. It listed for 16000.00...got it for 9000.00..
As the others have said, I got mine for 3000€ off list price, so I'm happy to be part of the Neo Sport Cafe club and I'll fix the things that i don't like one by one. 👍🏻
I’m in the process of buying a new bike and today I received an invoice for the labour to fit the factory accessories I bought. I argued the case with them because there was no indication that there would be a fitting charge. My argument was that “in my day” (yes, I’m old,) there was never a charge for fitting factory extras. And now I see your video and lo and behold. It’s standard practice. 😮. They waived the charge for me btw.
They’re swines!! TBH i counted that as another bonus with this bike, that the labor costs were already in there as the parts were already fitted! 😅 Very happy to hear that you got your money back though 👍🏻
Yep, agree with the horn and indicator positioning, out of line with 99 percent of all other bikes i have owned( 30 plus) so have had to recalibrate my brain /hand dexterity, only a small detail but, not so small as not to be annoying.
OK my dealer called me and I just put a deposit on the only one they are getting. 2021 black edition! comes in June! whoooo hooo.... I hope Odin forgives you for bashing of this MC lol
Congrats! I’m afraid the bashing is about to get a whole lot worse! Honda’s paint quality is utterly awful and their customer service response to it is worse still. I’m not a happy camper. Still loving the bike though! 😎
@@AndyManCam yeah, you aren't the only one to complain about the paint. I found a wrap place near me and plan on doing a clear piece to avoid chips when she comes in. stay safe my fren
Andy. Once again I thank you for another fine video. Didn’t realise how bloody poor that headlight beam is. Honda really need to address that as a major safety issue. Dunno what you were doing riding about in weather like that . Disgusting and certainly not conducive for motorcycles. Did you know for conditions such as that you can purchase something called a car…….!!
Bit whiney m8. Modern bikes have to contend with modern regs. If you want a carb fed noisy bike with harder paint buy a 90’s one and put up with their problems. Or just buy a car.
Bit rude M8. There was no whining involved. I didn't say anything about wanting a carbed bike or a car. Come at a video with a bad attitude, come away with a wrong opinion.
@@AndyManCam sorry Andy. Disagree. Many of the things you complained about you would have known about already. Nearly all modern bikes have similar issues. Your title reads ‘11 things I HATE!. I think the CB is a nice bike. Not perfect but nothing is.
Too many people taking everything far too literally. Read between the lines mate. There is a partner video to this one entitled, amazingly, '11 things I LOVE about the CB1000R'. I don't hate the bike, it just has things that aren't perfect. But as I said, bad attitude. You've come to these comments looking for a fight, blinded to the fact that we're both looking in the same direction.
I personally wouldn’t buy another CB1000R for half that. I bought mine new in 2020 for €10k and sold it in 2022 for €6500. Just didn’t hold it’s value. Plus the paint on the engine and engine casings was flaked, corroded and furry, as well as all the nuts and bolts being furry and soft. It’ll be the last Honda i ever buy.
Glad to help Chris. Not many long term owner reviews of this bike out there. I loved it at first, just like all the other reviewers did. But the romance didn’t last forever!
We all have buyer remorse of some sort, it could have been worse mate. The salesman never mentions any of this or touched on something called depreciation (the haircut) if you want to flip it. It's like agreeing to marry a girl when your'e drunk and realise after the ceremony what a mistake you've just made. Your bike comments are nothing compared to marriage buyer remorse. God knows why they can't deal with engine vibration this day and age. There must be away in the age of social media to get manufacturers to address some of these aspects!
Trust me, there's NO buyers remorse here! This is just a list of the niggles that could have been better. The bike overall is superb and I will not be getting rid of it for a very long time! I agree that the manufacturers ought to be able to adress these issues. But you know what? People continue to buy the bikes with the issues NOT fixed!! So why would they waste time making the products perfect when apparently they can't make them fast enough as it is! If we all stopped rewarding them for poor work by buying their stuff, they'd soon learn their lessons!
Two more things: The grip heating - i turn it on without wanting it... it seems not very integratively enginieered. The position of the ignition key whole makes tank bags nearly not usable. And one more: As me you changed the mirrors. did that not for optical purposes but i wantetd to see more than my shoulders. But... i love the bike!
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I own a little Honda CB125R, I did my DAS training on a Honda CB650R, and both have the exact same problems as their big brother the CB1000R: headlight, fuelling, horn button, etc. I fitted a pair of SW-Motech bars to my CB125R, and then I fitted a pair of cheap after market Chinese LED spotlights. To be honest, I didn't think they would last, or be any good, but, they've been fantastic! They're much brighter than the factory fitted Honda LED headlight, and come with various flashing modes. They also give you a wider spread of light, so together with the main headlight, everything in front and to the side of you is lit up. I've also used them as extra DRLs over the winter, and I've noticed a big drop in the number of car drivers pulling out on me, obviously, not a 100% drop! Every bike I get from now on will be getting spotlights fitted, they've been a godsend, unlike the Honda LED headlight, which is like having a candle on the front of your bike!
@@AndyManCam Yep, you'd expect the Honda units to be a lot better. I was very disappointed with the output, but putting the spots on has really helped. There's a mode where each spot will flash independently, giving a strobe effect. It would be great to use when filtering, but I've not tried it because it's probably not road illegal!
It doesn't have cruise control because it's a muscle bike, not a touring bike, not meant for long straights. In whatever long straights you end up doing, I'd complain 10 times more for the lack of wind protection than for the lack of cruise control.
Thank you brother I could not agree more on pretty much every thing you sed the head light is crap at best and in my opinion looks naff as well I would really like an after market one to come out its like every thing about the bike look great until you look at it from the front end and all the beauty stops there...that cheep mud guard iv considerd getting painted or just getting a after market one.. we might have to wait a few more years for some after market goodies..
I'm afraid like modern cars ...bike manfacturers... all there interested in is taking your money 😡because fashion over function means spannering on them is a ...".beep beep beep "nightmare etc etc cheers from dave
Sad but true. The worst bit is that we all just take it. If everybody stopped buying bikes and cars in protest (due to overpriced accessories, poor fuelling, bad equipment speccing, overcontrolling traction control etc..) then the manufacturers would have to take notice and change their ways. Sadly, everybody still throws their money at these unfinished products and the profit keeps rolling in regardless. It's the same with Apple and Gopro, to name but a few. They release unfinished products, knowing that hoardes of people will buy it, and then later slowly complete the development that really ought to have been finished before release!
Holy shit everything is spot on, having this bike myself I thought you were going to be way too harsh and unfair but nope, everything makes sense. The fuel filler cap/bar is so frustrating, I spray fuel everywhere every 4th or 5th time, especially when I'm tired. The only thing is that my rear shock works great because I'm a naturally underweight person, and I don't notice the harshness, it feels very plush to me. The point about the paint though is something surprising, I thought my paint chips were from just bad luck on a mountain road and a couple stones but hearing what you said made sense, paint should be able to take pebbles or cars that drive on the highway would be covered in chips! Great video.
Cheers mate. Sadly I’ve also discovered that the paint on the engine is made of toffee too. The spray from the front wheel has already worn down to the metal on the sump and the left engine cover has stone chips down to the aluminium. 🤦🏻♂️
I've always thought of that bar in the fuel tank of Hondas to be a way of getting the bike correctly filled whilst it is on the side stand. Might be wrong though.
No idea really. Could be. To be honest it ended up being a non-problem and i just got used to it. If you’re so desperate to fill up that quick, then this is probably the wrong kind of bike altogether! 😂
2 entertaining videos, I don’t suppose there is a bike where everything is spot on. As long as the bike puts a smile on your face that’s the main thing
Another great vid! - I don't have the issue with the fueling, many bikes have that bar now. - Spot on about the Cruise control, but there is a company from Australia that makes an electronic cruise control for the bike (started for the Africa Twin) but so annoying its not stock/upgrade. www.mccruise.com/products/cruise-control-for-honda-cb1000r-from-2018?variant=31775257690210 - Headlight, check your alignment - mine was way off - only lit up about 10m. I sorted mine and its a crazy bright headlight, fantastic in fact. Yours looks like its in the trees...
Many thanks Piers. I'll check out the headlight. I kind of hoped that a brand new bike should come with a correctly adjusted headlight. But hey, stranger things have happened!! I've also got the SW-Motech LED foglights on now, so I can finally see. But It'll be a nice surprise if it turns out my headlight is actually alright!
Bro, reagrding the scuff marks on tank paint you mentioned, i took mine to a Paint specialist 400 miles from home & they waxed it with Ethos Product & then coated it entirely with X-pel Advanced film. It looks WOW & it is Now Protected for years to come 👏 😍
Can't beat an owner review for the full picture. Accessories are mad, £400 plus fitting for Honda heated grips on my 2018 CB1100EX too, no thanks, Oxfords do the trick for a fraction of the price. Silly fuel tank filler the same as well. Please fit a Wilbers 641 shock on the rear (comp/rebound + preload). I fitted the 640 (rebound only + preload only) to the rear of my old Daytona 1200 and it is magnificent.
Cheers Terry. Totally agree mate. If the Honda grips were half the price, I'd consider it for the seamless integration and the in dash diplay. But more than four times the cost of a perfectly good set of Oxfords is really taking the michael. I'll hopefully get the budgetary clearance for a better shock in the new year. Have to wait and see where the job goes first though!
Please please, build your camera into the interior of your helmet & bike...those big ugly "camera mounts" that sprout off your helmet & your bike like weeds are so amateur...they scream "Dork", Nerd...a whole host of negatives.
Sadly they’re a necessity. Building my gopro into my helmet would mean pretty much destroying the helmet and making it unsafe at the same time! Building cameras into the interior of the bike will mean very limited and not very exciting camera angles as the cameras will all be too close. Unfortunately the mounts are here to stay. Luckily i am an amateur, so i don’t really mind.
@@AndyManCamA necessity?, perhaps...I think it more as a type of "least resistance", a laziness if you will. Of the new cars out there, the ones with a dozen cameras onboard, you're always hard pressed to even see them from the outside. Granted, it is a "techie" skillset that is required to build such a thing...pehaps you might expand your circle of friends to include such an individual...& no, "deconstructing" a GoPro is not what I had in mind. The only structural mods to a helmet would be a single hole about the diameter of a pencil. As such, this built-in system would make your videos highly "stealthy".
The cameras on all the cars are more of a functional thing. For rear view, parking assistance, sensors and the like. They’re not necessarily well placed for getting a pleasing image for my projects. Oddly enough, if you see the camera cars used for TV and movies, they have humongous mounting setups on them that you obviously don’t see in the Final product. You can have hidden cameras but mounts are a necessity to get good looking video.
@@AndyManCam After watching more of your videos, your cameras are fixed mounted, there is no "panning" of a shot, no zoom, no traversing. The ubiquitous pickup-truck mounts are the old Panaflex/Panavision machines...there is no comparison to the modern stuff now available to the hobbyist filmmaker. If you are serious in this endeavor and want to stand out, you really need to up your game.
Thank you for your input Ricardo. I’m afraid that I simply don’t fully understand what your problem is. If you could show me your professional quality motorcycling videos, I’m sure that would help me to understand better.
I don't know why everyone is praising the Honda. It's no better than Yamaha or Suzuki. I think it's overrated, and work on it can be a PITA. Sometimes I think that the Honda engineers are on something when designing their bikes. 400€ for grips?? Crazy. Get Oxford or Apollo Korsa with built in controller for about 100
In my experience, I have to disagree. The power delivery and riding experience is far better than any bike I've ridden in the last decade. Otherwise I wouldn't have traded up! So far working on this bike has also been far easier than the Yamaha. Changing the bars took 90 minutes instead of 4 hours (and no stripped threads or bolt heads. Yamaha seem to use toffee bolts on a lot of parts). Wiring in accessories has been easier due to the open sides and various accessory plugs and cabling routes already laid out. Every bike is of course different, across a brand. Not all of them will be easy to work on. But in my experience so far, this Honda is the best I've known.
I haven't rode the cb1000 yet, it's hard to get a Japanese bike to test ride in US, but GSX-S1000 I liked a lot. Honda is a religion for some. And I have a Honda too :).
I'm a new Honda owner, but like to think I'll stay subjective enough not to get fanatic! The GSX-S1000 was very good, but the Honda just spoke to me a bit more. Different strokes for different folks I suppose!
Unpopular Opinion: Honda is the only manufacturer to put the indicator and horn buttons in the correct place. After riding Hondas for a while reaching up with your thumb to the center of the cluster to use the MOST USED button just doesn't make sense.
The real problem i have is that I’ve managed to train the muscle memory not to push the horn when i want to indicate. But i don’t use the horn enough to retrain that reflex so if i want to honk fast, i always end up angrily indicating at them! 🤣
I own a 2009 model, great sports bike and easy to ride in city traffic, terrific engine with it low end and mid range torque. I have noticed the vibrations too around 4 to 6k rpm where you cruise on motorway most of the time. The dash is so basic. Speedo, rev, fuel, trip and time. That's all i got. Gearbox is meh. When you wring it hard in first and shift up goes to neutral 😐 otherwise won't go to neutral. Its a basic inline 4 motorcycle nothing too much on it after a while it's a boring motorcycle 😂 I have a custom midpipe and leo vince shorty pipe with power commander 5 it pops and burbles above 6k. Rev limiter is now at 11.5k wish it poped a bit more in low revs like s1000r does. Being a 09 model not a lot of tech so nothing will break on it. Things i wish it got, gear position indicator, rev limit light, can install a third party quickshifter but without slipper clutch hard downshifts are a no no, Cruise control.
I have the cb650r and the price for oem aftermarket parts is shocking £350 for heated grips sorry went with oxford at £70 the rear seat cowl is £210 so bought that of a French company for £80. The aluminium add on parts are over £100 just for a bit of shine on the bike lol
In terms of accessories prices - this is not a bike's drawback, all the manufacturers charge horrendous amount of money for factory accessories. It's actually your fault - you've been so stuck on those specific ones you were willing to pay those sic prices when in reality one could easily find something few times cheaper but without the Honda logo.
Just because ‚everybody else is doing it‘ doesn’t make it ok. Also i would have expected that any extras specced at time of purchase would have been fitted for free. Plus take a long look at my bike and tell me how many of those accessories I actually have!
I did a quick look through the comments and didn't see it addressed but the adjustments to engine braking happens via the electric throttle bodies. If you select less engine braking the TBs open slightly more on decel and this reduces pumping losses of the engine. With the hand throttle closed the fuel injectors are turned off regardless of the engine braking setting. Love the videos, I'm leaning towards getting a cb1000r in the spring.
Hi, are you saying you're not bothered by the looks of that exhaust?! 00:19 IMO it looks dreadful. Christmas is here, so you can upgrade! To Andy, from Andy... Best regards & happy Christmas from a Z900RS owner ( where stock exhaust is just lovely :=)
Sure it’s not as handsome as a piece of Akra titanium, but it’s not the worst I’ve seen by a very long stretch! Sadly the only present I’ll be giving myself is a set of tank pads! As long as the bike is running well, i can live with the can as it is for now. And with austerity measures being imposed indefinitely, for the foreseeable future too!
Seems to be sadly true, to certain extent. The 'new' CB1000R model just reinforces that. TFT display way later than the competition, still no cruise control and visual updates that make the bike look worse!
The Honda design and development team haven't done themselves a favor with this bike. A good meal isn't created by just pouring good ingredients together.......( and even that is disputable given the front fender, mediocre headlight and rear shock) Once again you have to ask yourself if these ' flaws' are a pure coincidence or method ? What is the real price difference between a good headlight and the one used ? What is the real price difference between a Wilbers or Ohlins shock absorber and the one used ? What is the real price difference between a decent front fender and the one used ? Why not assemble a bike that would reflect what the industry is really capable of ? Is it because consumers are trimmed to accept the mediocrity? Thanks for laying out the unfiltered truth Andy . Safe rides and travels 🙏🏍👍
My pleasure mate. Although i do agree that they shouldn’t cut corners, i also think the price difference is probably quite large. The development time put into the headlight will have been substantial. I imagine they got to the end, realised it was rubbish and didn’t want to start again! With the shocks i think that a decent unit would be easily twice the price, maybe more. And let’s be honest, for most buyers of this bike, they’ll never even touch the adjusters, let alone notice that the shock is bad. Overall i think that if all the gear was properly specced, we’d be looking at KTM Superduke R money, and then nobody would buy one. They’d all have the superduke! Honda know what they’re doing. Give you just enough good stuff to get you hooked, and then relax knowing that you’ll spend more money to make it right, or just not care. They get the customers, without any of the extra cost.
I looked briefly at the Z900, but as you said, the CB trumps it big time on looks. Plus Radial mounted front brakes were a plus for me. Not to mention that i got a great price so the CB actually was a better deal than the Kwak.
@@AndyManCam Lucky Man! How's the paint on yours holding up? I'm surprised to read that some have an issue with it. Looking at the bike the paint looked like it had a great quality deep gloss on it.
The gloss is glorious. Its just very soft. The worst is on the engine. I’ve got big patches that are down to the metal already after 12,000km. Unacceptable!
unless you buy a performance bike the suspension will always be on budget and crap. Ever since I got my first suspension mod am sold and have it done to every bike since. Well worth the investment, comfort, performance and foremost safety will greatly improve.
Sadly that’s the truth. I guess otherwise the price would be much higher. Plus i imagine that many customers don’t really care. I’ll definitely be looking at Upgrades as soon as the budget allows.
It's kind of funny, but the LED headlight on my Honda would be a major like and in the other video if it was me making these. I do not have the same Honda LED as you though, I have a 2020 Rebel S. Mind you, I came from old tech bulbs, so anything would pretty much be an improvement. I once drove my car across two cities and a lot of highway without noticing I had accidentally put the small parking lights on, and not the main lights. Did not notice the difference. :P The Rebel though, has lovely lights. And it looks like the new Rebel 1100 is getting the same headlight as the 500, so that is probably a good thing.
The real funny thing is that the LED headlight IS in the other video and I DO like it! But the function of it is undeniably terrible! I'd imagined that with the newest tech, it would be amazing. But it really is worse than anything I've ever used with old tech bulbs. Very disappointing!
I wonder if you couldn’t have bought one in the UK and ridden it home to Germany. You would have scored massive discounts on what is a a very poor seller here. My local bike dealer had a mint nearly new one in for ages that he couldn’t shift due to competition from KTM, Yamaha, BMW etc. You would also get a load of accessories thrown in and fitted for free?
Nah, that would have been wildly complicated with the import and registration paperwork. Plus the entire first service interval would have been eaten up by motorway miles. No fun at all! I'm not really all that sad about the extras TBH. I'll just go aftermarket for everything. Plus I actually got 3 grand off the price over here and delivered to my doorstep! :D
Soft paint: I always put a Baglux tank harness on my bikes. Most of the other negative points don't bother me, apart from the weak headlight. Maybe the new model's is better.
Two great vids again amc. I have the little brother CB650R and I must admit I love it. Mostly. The fuelling/engine braking/throttle off throttle on is, rather lumpy (I am a new rider, so it might be me) and oh my effing father of baby J, attempting to fill the thing with petrol. It’s sooooooooo annoying. Lastly, I get a few false neutrals, which may be me, but I don’t think so. Other than that , I Bloomin’ love it and can only imagine the 1000 version is just better. Natch
Many thanks David! The 650 is also a stunning looking piece of kit! Is your headlight any better though?! I reckon you could probably smooth out the throttling with practice. I think that coming from my super Jerky FZ1 has given me Jedi-like throttle precision now! I've had a fair few falso neutrals too, but have managed to reduce it by just being overly 'motivated' with my shifting! Keep enjoying that CB mate!
I understand that crash bars can sometimes cause vibrations. Pops and bangs are caused by poor fueling, or they're created artificially by the manufacturer because some people like it 😉
It’s definitely the end can in this scenario. Maybe because the stocker provides the right amount of weight to dampen the buzz, or maybe because the fuelling gets a bit leaner. Guess I’ll never know. The pops and bangs on ‚modern‘ bikes (EFI) is created on purpose by the manufacturers, but not because people like it. It’s because of the air recirculating systems that allow fuel to burn in the exhaust, thereby improving emissions. 🤓
Know exactly what you mean with the full beam, I ride with full beam as normal and nobody seems to be dazzled by it, also fuel filling, not sure if it's the tank but when I fill up I twist the pump nozzle with ninja precision but the fuel already in the fuel line goes over the tank just as I am about to put the nozzle in the hole!! really pi..es me off..
I saw the other video about things you like of this bike. Honestly vibrations, poor headlight, wrong buttons position, gasoline shower when "tanking" and delicate painting are more than enough for me to make me thinking to choose another bike. A crappy, shitty, rusty, piece of iron like the Moto Guzzi Griso 1100? 😅😆
Ha! I'm obviously far more tolerant then! The riding of the thing honestly makes all of those things just go away! It's a wonderful machine and I love it!"
I note that other makes models are moving the position of some of the switches. Yamaha have moved the passing light switch to the high beam switch on some models. Could this be an edict from the EU or the USA?
Possibly. Or just the jostling for space due to all of the fancy control buttons needed for the TFT displays that all bikes are slowly being kitted out with.
@@AndyManCam I keep hitting the "select" button (which is where the flash is "supposed to be"), which cycles the various trip meters on the MT - years of muscle memory mean I can't remember to hit the "high beam" button for the flash...
The cruise control situation is truly maddening. I think Honda have simply decided the CB1000R is purely a city bike and it's your own fault for taking it out on the motorway.
Fuelling wise you mean? I think that it's a bit of a misleading situation because the buzziness indicates lean fuelling, whereas lean fuelling would normally cause in-pipe explosions. So I think that without the Euro 4 exhaust system, this bike would pop and crack like crazy! It's just being muffled so much that it can't be heard. It was the same on my age old Versys 650. It never seemd to pop. Just the odd 'puff'. But as soon as I changed the endcan, it popped around 95% more!
@@AndyManCam detonation ? I've have something I'm trying to figure o2 sensers are pre catalyst so by removing the catalyst or just say freeing up the Exhausts stream causes a lean situation the only way this could happen would be the stock ecu would not be able to richen the mixture in correspondence with o2 readings it would be interesting to see the deltaP across a catalyst of a bike the mixture in a stock bike nowadays is lean to start with right?
I have to agree with you. I love my CB1R but the #1 gripe I have is the terrible headlight. It might be OK if you drive in a city with street lights but going around corners on a dark street results in 0 light on the bend driving into pitch darkness. Not good if you live in an area like I do with many deer. I've just ordered the SW-Motch engine guards so I can mount some aux lights to it.
Hahaha! Maybe you actually will if you start to have the paint woes that I'm having! The oil sump is completely stripped and the front of the engine is going the same way. Honda says it's 'normal'. Even if I keep this bike for a while, Honda won't be getting another penny out of me in the future!
It's really not all that bad though. Not enough to consider getting rid of the bike or even regretting buying it. Just a niggle. Maybe one day I'll get a bit of Dyno action and have it tuned out completely!
@@AndyManCam Nothing is perfect. The Z900RS I eventually chose needed a remap to get rid of the choppy throttle. The CB was fun though so I can see why it's worth some fettling.
Hi, about the mudguard, you can reinforce it on the inside with epoxy. Also put on a lip so it keeps everything a lot cleaner. Perhaps switching between regular and premium fuel the buzz is less? It is a gorgeous bike imo. Cheers. Sub-ed
I’ve decided to just switch it out completely. SW-Motech have an aluminium mudguard in the pipeline so that’ll tidy things up nicely. I actually did fee like the premium fuel was less buzzy. Wasn’t sure if it was just in my head though. At todays prices though, i don’t think I’ll be Testing it any time soon!!
I am thinking of getting one of these but seeing over 60 used ones for sale with under 3000 miles most of them and 2 or 3 owners I am guessing people do not like them ?? Never seen so many bikes of the same model only 2 years old with such low miles for sale. WHY are they shit ?
I think lots of people have bought them, expecting them to be comfortable cruisy retro types. But there is still quite a lot of the old fireblade left in the bikes character! So it's not quite as comfortable as the style would suggest, unless you'Re used to that type of platform. I came from an FZ1-N, so this was actually a bit of a comfort upgrade for me. Also I think there are a fair few quality control issues that are NOT typical Honda. The engine is a lot buzzier than I expected from Honda, plus the paint and welding is atrocious. Oh and the rear suspension really should have been left in the 90's. For me currently, the fun of riding the thing and also the way it looks is enough to make me keep it until something far more awesome comes along. Right now, there isn't anything that is good enough to make me trade in.
@@AndyManCam I have had 3 fz1n and sold my 2015 one last year, loved it one of the best bikes I have had. Sold my new shape xjr1300 6 months ago so am looking for a fun up right bike. I have my tiger 800 for long rides I just want this for 200 miles fast fun ride but really am not to sure on it after all the reviews I keep seeing. I like to keep my bikes in mint condition
@@AndyManCam lol my days of riding when it’s raining are gone. If weather looks a bit dodgy I would take one of my other bikes. Still can not decide on these. I like the old shape. Looking at a 2018 cb1000r at the moment. At least that does not have the fly by wire throttle or all the electric crap
I'm glad you said all those things about the CB 1100CC. I almost bought it, but decided to get the new Rebel 1,100 cc instead. Got cruise control, strong thick metal paint and no vibration. I got 7,000 miles on it already. Oh and no chrome anywhere. All black everywhere even the forks. The ergonomics are a little funny. Im only 5'10 " and it is pulling on my shoulders after a couple of hours.
Happy to help Andre. These are after all, the things that you can only really learn after having had the bike for a while. Enjoy the machine and hopefully you can iron out those ergonomics issues.
have a look at the booster plug,real time AF correction whether the bike is stock or you have a slip on & air filter or full race system the booster plug will sort it,got one on my SDGT with de cat link pipe & end can & motorhooligan race filter & velocity stacks ,bike runs spot on.
Given you’re in Germany, have a look at Wilbers. I’ve got their 641 shock on my Z900 and the difference it made was fantastic. Being just down the road from Nitron, I would have gone with them but the closest comparable shock they offer is the R3 and that was £150 more expensive than the Wilbers. Best money I’ve spent on the bike. Incredible difference the way it was setup when it arrived and even better still once I got it dialled in properly.
They seems to be pretty solid shocks with a great reputation. Will have to wait a bit though as they're still pretty pricey! Maybe santa will drop one off...
Whilst your other vid shows you love the bike, this vid is maybe indicative that you'll be trading in when you can afford it as there are too many significant dislikes imo that will gnaw away at you. After 2 years of ownership there was only thing I *hated* about my 1290 SAS and that was the stock screen. I love everything else. Superb and mental machine. The stuff you listed would do my head in!
No chance! There's nothing here that I haven't had on many other bikes that I've had for years. The fact that there are 11 likes vs 11 dislikes bears no relevance to how much I like this bike overall. ALL bikes have their 'things' and this one is no different. But make no mistake, this is the best bike I've ever owned. It's also the bike I like the most out of everything I've ridden since I started this channel! Otherwise there's no way I would have put down my hard earned to get one! Trust me, such decisions are not made lightly in the AMC camp!
😂 "wrist works hard enough as is" had me dying 😂
Carpal tunnel til the end of days! 😉
You're a very good communicator. That's a rare talent/skill. Gives you a great edge 👏🏽👏🏽
Thanks very much! Happy to hear that everything comes across that way! 😊
Not even the new 2021 model has cruise control yet, all the big nakeds have it, and the not so big ones are starting to have it too. I just can't understand why Honda is still missing on this!
Guess they just don't want. Heard somewhere that Honda say both hands belong on the grips if u ride a sporty Honda. Would not wonder if they advise us in next manual to wash our hands. Ye daddy Honda, got it. :D
I guess because they know that people will buy it anyway! That's what happens when you create something a little bit different and it gets put towards the hipster cool bracket. People will buy it, even if it doesn't really work as well as the others, because it's cool!
I didn't bought this bike only because of this, and I know more people saying the same. With the cheap MTs all around I wouldn't joke about sales so much, Honda is losing turf every day now, at least here in Portugal.
Im a vintage triumph rider....I laugh at vibration....I can ride for 30 mins and my ass goes ro sleep from the vibration...
Hahaha! Ok, I’ll stop complaining about vibes then! 😅
Most Honda inline 4 seems to have this nasty buzz and vibration around the 5000-6000 rpm range. I've seen this first hand on CB650F, and have heard it exists on CB650R.
I heard somewhere (unconfirmed) that Honda didn’t bother with balance shafts, to reduce cost and complication. Not sure if it’s true, but the buzz was angry and spoiled a great bike for me. Could also be fueling as it seemed less with high octane fuel.
Yes. Shame because for the price it should be perfect. Vibration is a total NO NO fir me. The cb 400 sounds better.
Also I don't like the single swing Arm. Crappy basic brake and clutch levers. A few people at Honda need be fired lol. Apart from all that it's a great bike , but after seeing this video it's completely put me OFF now ever thinking of getting a CB 1000 or 650
Don’t let this video put you off completely. The bike is brilliant. I love riding it more than anything I’ve ridden so far. The simple levers never bothered me and they were easily swapped. The radial master cylinder and calipers give stonking braking performance. The vibes is more of a tuning thing in my opinion. I fitted a boosterplug and the vibes are noticeably reduced. I really love the single sided swing arm, though i would prefer if it were black! The real killer for the bike though is the terrible finish. Paint coming off all over the place after just one year. That and the awful 20 year old rear shock. It’s horrible! 😖
All bikes have issues I have a GS1200 the batteries in the tyre pressure sensors have died, they use button batteries about $3 Australian which are sealed in the sensors so when they go flat you have to buy new sensors it is going to cost $340.00 Australian each fitted WTF! So now I am riding with no tyre pressure readout.No big deal you might think but I got use seeing the pressures without pulling out the gauge and doing it manually. These bike companies weather they are English, Japanese or German don't give a s#_^&t. And yes I am pissed off!!🤬
Now that is a special kind of annoying! The real question is, did they think that the bike wouldn’t last as long as the sensor batteries? Or do they just think that their customers have got SO much money, that they’ll just shell out ten times as much to replace 3€ batteries?! Disgusting!!
Same accessories crap for Kawasaki , 300 euros for heated grips. Did it my self , cost 85 euros.....
The worst part is that they must sell enough to make it worthwhile. Of course they’d probably sell a lot more if the prices weren’t so insulting.
Hi from Greece. I have the same bike almost two years and 20k km done. I agree with almost all of your complains especially the rear shock and the soft paint. I've changed quite a bit of things such as full exhaust system by akrapovic, lithium battery, mirrors, brake and clutch levers etc. Despite all gripes I absolutely love this bike, and God permits, I'm going to make it better with new mods. It's a bike that never let's you down or be vanilla as they say. Also it is very trustworthy in terms of handling and power delivery. She is my love and you are going to feel the same.
How have you gotten on with the paint on the engine? mine is all coming off! Honda say this is normal. 🤔
@@AndyManCam those are very unsettling news to me. Mine is fine till now I suppose. But cause I'm curious please do explain how is comming off. Like fainting or like little chips? In any case you should press Honda to fix it. If your dealer is uncooperative send Honda an email with photos.
Slow reply! It was wearing off the front from the spray from the wheel AND it was flaking off the side covers as the aluminum was corroding. It took lots of arguing to get Honda to swap the engine casing, but they wouldn’t even accept that the paint from the front of the engine wasn’t normal. Apparently it was my fault for getting the bike wet.
@@AndyManCam I am /was a big Honda fan. But now I have moved away from Honda because of the poor build quality. I have a triumph, z1000 and 2 Honda cbr929 ( when quality was good) the z1000 I have just bought (2015) leaves the cb1000r standing for quality. Shame as I liked the Honda but will not spend good money on something that looks shit after 6 months . I think most bikes now after 2018 have gone down hill. I hear Harley Davidson are in trouble now and the new triumphs are starting to have problems now they are made over seas. Stick to pre 2018 bikes if you can
@@AndyManCam Honda has gone right down hill over last 6 years.
I prefer your FZ1 to this bike, the Honda just looks like I mismatch of parts that don’t seem to go with each other. But you love it and that’s all that matters. All the best from a equally wet UK.
You're allowed. Luckily I prefer the Honda 😜 Happy wetness! Summer is on the way though, right?!
NO hydraulic clutch, cheap bike , i own a cb1000R 2010 and a Hornet 919 2002, i like the Hornet better
I dont mind the lack of a hydraulic clutch so much. Anything goes wrong, i can work the clutch with a piece of string tied to my leg! Sometimes simple is better! The bike is overpriced for what you get though.
Hi,what do u install to reduce the cb1000r vibration problem?
Had vibe problem on a newFJR1300 and did a throttle body sinc which cured 90% of the problem, changing the tyres cured the rest.
Be safe
I have considered the throttle body possibility. But it looks pretty complicated on this bike! More pipes than a Scottish marching band! I'd also rather hoped that the bike would come from the factory, already set up as good as it ever would be. Naturally I know that that that sadly isn't the world in which we live!
The black edition is much sharper looking bike. Congratulations you have the ugly one
Based on my experience with the quality of finish on ‚the ugly one‘ I predict that all black editions that see any moisture will look exponentially more ugly after a couple of seasons, when the swanky black finishes fall off and leave lovely swathes of corroding metal showing through. 👍🏻 Needless to say, I no longer have either and will never have one from the big H again.
Check out ERMAX aftermarket save lots IE seat cowling and solid fenders
Thanks Glen. Sadly the Ermax seat cowl for this bike looks like it was stolen from the 80‘s! 😂
You should of gotten BMW R9T and never worried about chain vibration or mud guard
I was a big fan of the R9T, until i rode one. Sadly it’s far too cramped for me and i found the drivetrain very agricultural and heavy.
My CB1000R rins smooth as glass. No vibration at all. Not buzzy. I agree about the front fender...
The pops and crackels are usually associated wirh bad fuel mapping. Honda usually do not have that until they hit the rev limiter. Now, if you like that popping...buy a Triumph. They are notorious for popping, cracklings and sometimes
.. bursting into flames.. Me thinks you complain too much.
I guess everything is relative. Maybe i'm more sensitive to the vibes or perhaps even less tolerant. Or maybe yours is just better balanced. The pops and crackles I'm talking about have nothing to do with bad fuelling, In fact most of the time they're programmed into the bike on purpose to burn off any extra fuel in the pipe and improve emissions. But it seems that with the Euro 4 gubbins in the pipe, the extra pops are either muffled out or unneeded.
The popping on decell is because unburnt fuel is detonating in the exhaust. Usually due to a rich condition. It can also hapoen in a lean condition when the innards of the exhaust get so hot, that they ignite the fuel mix again....in the exhaust.. so...fuel mapping?
Never heard of normal popping...
Modern bikes have an entire system dedicated to promoting the combustion of unburnt fuel in the exhaust system. Trust me, every modern electrically fuel injected bike pumps air into the exhaust tract so that unburnt fuel can burn before it leaves the bike. This burning causes the pops. It’s more noticeable if a bike has been decatted or if an aftermarket endcan has been fitted as the sound isn’t deadened. In any case, if the manufacturers put a system in to do this, then it is very normal. Also a rich mix will pop less as the extra fuel actually has a detonation retarding effect. It’s why a rich fueled engine will run smoother (and cooler) than a lean fuelled engine, in which the fuel tends to predetonate (exploding before the spark) and cause rough running leading to vibrations and increased heat.
Thx Andy….you just talked me out of this bike.
My pleasure. 2 years later and I talked myself out of it too!!
@@AndyManCam I am just looking at buying a 2018 model now. 😊 What is the main reason you talked yourself out of it after 2 years?
you lost me at pops and farts from over run ,,,, get yourself a vauxhall corsa with a crap exhaust if thats what your after .
I want what i want, you want what you want. What you want doesn’t matter to me, just as what you think about what i want, doesn’t matter to me either.
Wow. Great video. But... balls. Now you have put me off the Honda CB 1000 R. LOL. I am looking to buy a Naked / Retro kind of bike, and after looking at the BMW R Nine T, the Kawasaki Z900RS, the Yamaha XSR 900, the Triumph Speed Twin 1200, the Moto Guzzi VIII Stone ... I had nearly settled on the Honda CB 1000 R. But now I have my doubts.
Truth be said, local dealers have no availability of the XSR 900, or the Z900 RS or the R Nine T... So now I do not know if to wait for more bikes to arrive, buy the Honda or jump off a cliff!
I tested the Triumph Speed Twin 1200, it was nice, but it is too retro looking for my liking.
For weight, height and price I have my head set on the Yamaha XSR 900, but many reviews say it is uncomfortable, and somewhat cheaply finished...
I will keep searching. Thanks for your videos. They are great.
The CB1000R is an awesome bike, no doubt. I’ve loved riding it, it’s impossibly good fun in the twisties, the motor is strong and it looks the tits. But the quality of finish has been a constant bother. Although i wouldn’t want to dissuade you as it’s a beautiful machine, i wouldn’t buy it new again. If you can get a good deal, you’ll probably not regret it and you’ll enjoy the bike. But list price is too much for what you get.
Thank God there are no crackles. Why would anyone like that when ware looking for a refined motor. Back in the day, the car would be brought in for a tune up. There’s a reason Ferrari refuses to implement that feature into their cars. Buy hey, to each his own. My 2018 CB650F doesn’t crackle either. That engine is literally music to my ears. I’ll start it up and rev it, just to hear the motor. I just got a 2022 S1000R and it doesn’t crackle either 🙏.
It just so happens that pretty much every modern bike has pops and crackles. It’s built into the engine as a result of the air recycling system that is used to clean up emissions. Air is fed into the exhaust tract and any unburnt fuel is exploded before it exits the bike. The only thing is that it happens before all of the Euro5 silencing and catalysers so we don’t hear it.
@@AndyManCam I had no idea it was for emissions. My new BMW s1000r is Euro 5 and you would be surprised at how massive the catalytic converter is. The whole system weighs 24lbs with the actual exhaust can being almost 4lbs and the headers being another 2-3lbs. That’s the bike’s biggest flaw. The massive catalytic converter being exposed with no fairing to hide it. The bike is almost whisper quiet below 4-5k rpm too. The Honda cb1000r was on my short list. BMW’s generous discount is what made the BMW my choice. There are virtually no deals with the shortages of motorcycles as well.
It’s the small things that add up sadly :( but the bike is built down to a price and is value for money but sadly some areas do suffer :( - lucky it’s all sortable
I got a 2019 in September for $8999 + fees + tax. So less than $10,000 out the door, registered. It's a hoot!
Got mine for 6000.00 US. Dealer was going out of bussiness.
Same /thing for my VFR1200.. a 2010 model with less than 50 miles on it. It listed for 16000.00...got it for 9000.00..
As the others have said, I got mine for 3000€ off list price, so I'm happy to be part of the Neo Sport Cafe club and I'll fix the things that i don't like one by one. 👍🏻
I’m in the process of buying a new bike and today I received an invoice for the labour to fit the factory accessories I bought. I argued the case with them because there was no indication that there would be a fitting charge. My argument was that “in my day” (yes, I’m old,) there was never a charge for fitting factory extras. And now I see your video and lo and behold. It’s standard practice. 😮. They waived the charge for me btw.
They’re swines!! TBH i counted that as another bonus with this bike, that the labor costs were already in there as the parts were already fitted! 😅 Very happy to hear that you got your money back though 👍🏻
Bloody good on you. Everywhere,everyone is trying to screw everybody else over.
All those gripes are very valid, great video!
Many thanks David!
Omg I thought I was the only one that hates fill up due to that stupid bar in the fuel opening of the tank.
Yep, it annoys the hell out of me too!!
Weenuck. Every bike pops, your stock system is masking it.
Hear, hear!
Yep, agree with the horn and indicator positioning, out of line with 99 percent of all other bikes i have owned( 30 plus) so have had to recalibrate my brain /hand dexterity, only a small detail but, not so small as not to be annoying.
OK my dealer called me and I just put a deposit on the only one they are getting. 2021 black edition! comes in June! whoooo hooo.... I hope Odin forgives you for bashing of this MC lol
Congrats! I’m afraid the bashing is about to get a whole lot worse! Honda’s paint quality is utterly awful and their customer service response to it is worse still. I’m not a happy camper. Still loving the bike though! 😎
@@AndyManCam yeah, you aren't the only one to complain about the paint. I found a wrap place near me and plan on doing a clear piece to avoid chips when she comes in. stay safe my fren
Definitely recommended. I’ve got several places where the paint is completely off. The engine front and oil sump are disaster areas.
Andy. Once again I thank you for another fine video. Didn’t realise how bloody poor that headlight beam is. Honda really need to address that as a major safety issue. Dunno what you were doing riding about in weather like that . Disgusting and certainly not conducive for motorcycles. Did you know for conditions such as that you can purchase something called a car…….!!
With those panniers it reminds me of my ol BMW r1150r Rockster
I can see that a little bit. Thankfully the Honda looks like it's been in the gym and had some new clothes! 😜
Bit whiney m8. Modern bikes have to contend with modern regs. If you want a carb fed noisy bike with harder paint buy a 90’s one and put up with their problems. Or just buy a car.
Bit rude M8. There was no whining involved. I didn't say anything about wanting a carbed bike or a car. Come at a video with a bad attitude, come away with a wrong opinion.
@@AndyManCam sorry Andy. Disagree. Many of the things you complained about you would have known about already. Nearly all modern bikes have similar issues. Your title reads ‘11 things I HATE!. I think the CB is a nice bike. Not perfect but nothing is.
Too many people taking everything far too literally. Read between the lines mate. There is a partner video to this one entitled, amazingly, '11 things I LOVE about the CB1000R'. I don't hate the bike, it just has things that aren't perfect. But as I said, bad attitude. You've come to these comments looking for a fight, blinded to the fact that we're both looking in the same direction.
Is it worth to buy 2020 model for £8k or better go with 2022 gsxs1000 or yamaha xsr900 (both around £9.5k) Regards
I personally wouldn’t buy another CB1000R for half that. I bought mine new in 2020 for €10k and sold it in 2022 for €6500. Just didn’t hold it’s value. Plus the paint on the engine and engine casings was flaked, corroded and furry, as well as all the nuts and bolts being furry and soft. It’ll be the last Honda i ever buy.
@@AndyManCam Thank you, owner review means a lot
Glad to help Chris. Not many long term owner reviews of this bike out there. I loved it at first, just like all the other reviewers did. But the romance didn’t last forever!
Well i am 54 and was going to buy a 2021
And a fine choice it would be John!
We all have buyer remorse of some sort, it could have been worse mate. The salesman never mentions any of this or touched on something called depreciation (the haircut) if you want to flip it. It's like agreeing to marry a girl when your'e drunk and realise after the ceremony what a mistake you've just made. Your bike comments are nothing compared to marriage buyer remorse. God knows why they can't deal with engine vibration this day and age. There must be away in the age of social media to get manufacturers to address some of these aspects!
Trust me, there's NO buyers remorse here! This is just a list of the niggles that could have been better. The bike overall is superb and I will not be getting rid of it for a very long time! I agree that the manufacturers ought to be able to adress these issues. But you know what? People continue to buy the bikes with the issues NOT fixed!! So why would they waste time making the products perfect when apparently they can't make them fast enough as it is! If we all stopped rewarding them for poor work by buying their stuff, they'd soon learn their lessons!
This is probably the most articulate and linguistically masterful review I've ever watched
Many thanks indeed CG. Thanks for watching!
I agree 100%
Two more things: The grip heating - i turn it on without wanting it... it seems not very integratively enginieered. The position of the ignition key whole makes tank bags nearly not usable. And one more: As me you changed the mirrors. did that not for optical purposes but i wantetd to see more than my shoulders. But... i love the bike!
Try a nitron shock, the budget one, I had it on a vfr1200f, brilliant.
Plus one for Nitron. Not cheap but have transformed a couple of bikes I’ve had. Good helpful company too.
can anyone provide a specific model plz?
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Will have to look into this. Luckily there are a few options that aren't quite up into Öhlins prices.
I own a little Honda CB125R, I did my DAS training on a Honda CB650R, and both have the exact same problems as their big brother the CB1000R: headlight, fuelling, horn button, etc. I fitted a pair of SW-Motech bars to my CB125R, and then I fitted a pair of cheap after market Chinese LED spotlights. To be honest, I didn't think they would last, or be any good, but, they've been fantastic! They're much brighter than the factory fitted Honda LED headlight, and come with various flashing modes. They also give you a wider spread of light, so together with the main headlight, everything in front and to the side of you is lit up. I've also used them as extra DRLs over the winter, and I've noticed a big drop in the number of car drivers pulling out on me, obviously, not a 100% drop! Every bike I get from now on will be getting spotlights fitted, they've been a godsend, unlike the Honda LED headlight, which is like having a candle on the front of your bike!
Nice. Being seen is often more important than seeing yourself!! Sad that the whole range has these crappy components though. Bad Honda!!
@@AndyManCam Yep, you'd expect the Honda units to be a lot better. I was very disappointed with the output, but putting the spots on has really helped. There's a mode where each spot will flash independently, giving a strobe effect. It would be great to use when filtering, but I've not tried it because it's probably not road illegal!
It doesn't have cruise control because it's a muscle bike, not a touring bike, not meant for long straights. In whatever long straights you end up doing, I'd complain 10 times more for the lack of wind protection than for the lack of cruise control.
Can’t miss you with the helmet and jacket mate 😆
There are dead blind men that would have seen me coming!
Thank you brother I could not agree more on pretty much every thing you sed the head light is crap at best and in my opinion looks naff as well I would really like an after market one to come out its like every thing about the bike look great until you look at it from the front end and all the beauty stops there...that cheep mud guard iv considerd getting painted or just getting a after market one.. we might have to wait a few more years for some after market goodies..
I'm hoping the aftermarket bits will come sooner rather than later! Front and rear mudguard need the most attention AFAIK!
I'm afraid like modern cars ...bike manfacturers... all there interested in is taking your money 😡because fashion over function means spannering on them is a ...".beep beep beep "nightmare etc etc cheers from dave
good old days when almost no one was poor so no one was going after profit, right?
Sad but true. The worst bit is that we all just take it. If everybody stopped buying bikes and cars in protest (due to overpriced accessories, poor fuelling, bad equipment speccing, overcontrolling traction control etc..) then the manufacturers would have to take notice and change their ways. Sadly, everybody still throws their money at these unfinished products and the profit keeps rolling in regardless. It's the same with Apple and Gopro, to name but a few. They release unfinished products, knowing that hoardes of people will buy it, and then later slowly complete the development that really ought to have been finished before release!
Holy shit everything is spot on, having this bike myself I thought you were going to be way too harsh and unfair but nope, everything makes sense. The fuel filler cap/bar is so frustrating, I spray fuel everywhere every 4th or 5th time, especially when I'm tired. The only thing is that my rear shock works great because I'm a naturally underweight person, and I don't notice the harshness, it feels very plush to me. The point about the paint though is something surprising, I thought my paint chips were from just bad luck on a mountain road and a couple stones but hearing what you said made sense, paint should be able to take pebbles or cars that drive on the highway would be covered in chips!
Great video.
Cheers mate. Sadly I’ve also discovered that the paint on the engine is made of toffee too. The spray from the front wheel has already worn down to the metal on the sump and the left engine cover has stone chips down to the aluminium. 🤦🏻♂️
I've always thought of that bar in the fuel tank of Hondas to be a way of getting the bike correctly filled whilst it is on the side stand. Might be wrong though.
No idea really. Could be. To be honest it ended up being a non-problem and i just got used to it. If you’re so desperate to fill up that quick, then this is probably the wrong kind of bike altogether! 😂
2 entertaining videos, I don’t suppose there is a bike where everything is spot on. As long as the bike puts a smile on your face that’s the main thing
I totally agree Simon. If the core of the thing makes you happy, then everything else is just the icing on the cake.
Another great vid!
- I don't have the issue with the fueling, many bikes have that bar now.
- Spot on about the Cruise control, but there is a company from Australia that makes an electronic cruise control for the bike (started for the Africa Twin) but so annoying its not stock/upgrade. www.mccruise.com/products/cruise-control-for-honda-cb1000r-from-2018?variant=31775257690210
- Headlight, check your alignment - mine was way off - only lit up about 10m. I sorted mine and its a crazy bright headlight, fantastic in fact. Yours looks like its in the trees...
Many thanks Piers. I'll check out the headlight. I kind of hoped that a brand new bike should come with a correctly adjusted headlight. But hey, stranger things have happened!! I've also got the SW-Motech LED foglights on now, so I can finally see. But It'll be a nice surprise if it turns out my headlight is actually alright!
You're the MVP!
Horn button and always on indicators. What the hell was Honda thinking? Those two things make me look elsewhere for my next bike.
The Horn Button you get used to and the indicators you can disconnect! Really not enough to strike this awesome bike off the list!
Andy glad you're happy with the bike but those car wing mirrors aren't my cup of tea.
Cheers Gary! Fair enough!
Yes, you can't smash it in too fast for fear of getting splash back. Bloody Honda filler bar thingy. As for the horn button. Why Honda, why?
I’m still scratching my head to this day!
Bro, reagrding the scuff marks on tank paint you mentioned, i took mine to a Paint specialist 400 miles from home & they waxed it with Ethos Product & then coated it entirely with X-pel Advanced film. It looks WOW & it is Now Protected for years to come 👏 😍
Good to know, thanks. I'm planning to take the vinyl wrapping approach, at least for the short term.
Can't beat an owner review for the full picture. Accessories are mad, £400 plus fitting for Honda heated grips on my 2018 CB1100EX too, no thanks, Oxfords do the trick for a fraction of the price. Silly fuel tank filler the same as well. Please fit a Wilbers 641 shock on the rear (comp/rebound + preload). I fitted the 640 (rebound only + preload only) to the rear of my old Daytona 1200 and it is magnificent.
Cheers Terry. Totally agree mate. If the Honda grips were half the price, I'd consider it for the seamless integration and the in dash diplay. But more than four times the cost of a perfectly good set of Oxfords is really taking the michael. I'll hopefully get the budgetary clearance for a better shock in the new year. Have to wait and see where the job goes first though!
Please please, build your camera into the interior of your helmet & bike...those big ugly "camera mounts" that sprout off your helmet & your bike like weeds are so amateur...they scream "Dork", Nerd...a whole host of negatives.
Sadly they’re a necessity. Building my gopro into my helmet would mean pretty much destroying the helmet and making it unsafe at the same time! Building cameras into the interior of the bike will mean very limited and not very exciting camera angles as the cameras will all be too close. Unfortunately the mounts are here to stay. Luckily i am an amateur, so i don’t really mind.
@@AndyManCamA necessity?, perhaps...I think it more as a type of "least resistance", a laziness if you will. Of the new cars out there, the ones with a dozen cameras onboard, you're always hard pressed to even see them from the outside. Granted, it is a "techie" skillset that is required to build such a thing...pehaps you might expand your circle of friends to include such an individual...& no, "deconstructing" a GoPro is not what I had in mind. The only structural mods to a helmet would be a single hole about the diameter of a pencil. As such, this built-in system would make your videos highly "stealthy".
The cameras on all the cars are more of a functional thing. For rear view, parking assistance, sensors and the like. They’re not necessarily well placed for getting a pleasing image for my projects. Oddly enough, if you see the camera cars used for TV and movies, they have humongous mounting setups on them that you obviously don’t see in the Final product. You can have hidden cameras but mounts are a necessity to get good looking video.
@@AndyManCam After watching more of your videos, your cameras are fixed mounted, there is no "panning" of a shot, no zoom, no traversing. The ubiquitous pickup-truck mounts are the old Panaflex/Panavision machines...there is no comparison to the modern stuff now available to the hobbyist filmmaker. If you are serious in this endeavor and want to stand out, you really need to up your game.
Thank you for your input Ricardo. I’m afraid that I simply don’t fully understand what your problem is. If you could show me your professional quality motorcycling videos, I’m sure that would help me to understand better.
Put a Nitron R1 shock on the bike. makes a massive difference. Put them on all my bikes.
I have to do something. It's the only thing left that's really letting the machine down.
I don't know why everyone is praising the Honda. It's no better than Yamaha or Suzuki. I think it's overrated, and work on it can be a PITA. Sometimes I think that the Honda engineers are on something when designing their bikes.
400€ for grips?? Crazy. Get Oxford or Apollo Korsa with built in controller for about 100
In my experience, I have to disagree. The power delivery and riding experience is far better than any bike I've ridden in the last decade. Otherwise I wouldn't have traded up! So far working on this bike has also been far easier than the Yamaha. Changing the bars took 90 minutes instead of 4 hours (and no stripped threads or bolt heads. Yamaha seem to use toffee bolts on a lot of parts). Wiring in accessories has been easier due to the open sides and various accessory plugs and cabling routes already laid out. Every bike is of course different, across a brand. Not all of them will be easy to work on. But in my experience so far, this Honda is the best I've known.
I haven't rode the cb1000 yet, it's hard to get a Japanese bike to test ride in US, but GSX-S1000 I liked a lot.
Honda is a religion for some.
And I have a Honda too :).
I'm a new Honda owner, but like to think I'll stay subjective enough not to get fanatic! The GSX-S1000 was very good, but the Honda just spoke to me a bit more. Different strokes for different folks I suppose!
Unpopular Opinion: Honda is the only manufacturer to put the indicator and horn buttons in the correct place. After riding Hondas for a while reaching up with your thumb to the center of the cluster to use the MOST USED button just doesn't make sense.
The real problem i have is that I’ve managed to train the muscle memory not to push the horn when i want to indicate. But i don’t use the horn enough to retrain that reflex so if i want to honk fast, i always end up angrily indicating at them! 🤣
Is the 2021, 22 model any better lol. I can't remember. That refuelling ussue, omg. That ONE thing is enough to stop me getting a CB
I sincerely hope so! It’s too good a bike to be ruined by poor finish! Time will tell…
I own a 2009 model, great sports bike and easy to ride in city traffic, terrific engine with it low end and mid range torque.
I have noticed the vibrations too around 4 to 6k rpm where you cruise on motorway most of the time.
The dash is so basic. Speedo, rev, fuel, trip and time. That's all i got.
Gearbox is meh. When you wring it hard in first and shift up goes to neutral 😐 otherwise won't go to neutral.
Its a basic inline 4 motorcycle nothing too much on it after a while it's a boring motorcycle 😂
I have a custom midpipe and leo vince shorty pipe with power commander 5 it pops and burbles above 6k. Rev limiter is now at 11.5k wish it poped a bit more in low revs like s1000r does.
Being a 09 model not a lot of tech so nothing will break on it.
Things i wish it got, gear position indicator, rev limit light, can install a third party quickshifter but without slipper clutch hard downshifts are a no no, Cruise control.
The most important thing is that you’re happy with it 👍🏻
I have the cb650r and the price for oem aftermarket parts is shocking £350 for heated grips sorry went with oxford at £70 the rear seat cowl is £210 so bought that of a French company for £80. The aluminium add on parts are over £100 just for a bit of shine on the bike lol
Makes perfect sense! FOr 400€ I'd need them to make me a coffee and give me a reacharound!
Fortunately, 11 things I can live with. Hopefully I can get a few miles clocked up on mine this year.
Me too! There’s plenty more to love about this bike!
In terms of accessories prices - this is not a bike's drawback, all the manufacturers charge horrendous amount of money for factory accessories. It's actually your fault - you've been so stuck on those specific ones you were willing to pay those sic prices when in reality one could easily find something few times cheaper but without the Honda logo.
Just because ‚everybody else is doing it‘ doesn’t make it ok. Also i would have expected that any extras specced at time of purchase would have been fitted for free. Plus take a long look at my bike and tell me how many of those accessories I actually have!
12:24 Is that the kind of thing that shows up on next years "upgraded" version?
Doesn't look like it. Despite having a new control cluster for driving the TFT display. Lazy.
Was considering trading my amazing BMW R1200R LC for one of these. Thanks for saving me from that!
Let's just say that given the chance to go back, I wouldn't buy it again.
I did a quick look through the comments and didn't see it addressed but the adjustments to engine braking happens via the electric throttle bodies. If you select less engine braking the TBs open slightly more on decel and this reduces pumping losses of the engine. With the hand throttle closed the fuel injectors are turned off regardless of the engine braking setting.
Love the videos, I'm leaning towards getting a cb1000r in the spring.
Get a flash and exhaust and just like all the others turns it up 🎉🎉🎉
Hi, are you saying you're not bothered by the looks of that exhaust?! 00:19 IMO it looks dreadful. Christmas is here, so you can upgrade! To Andy, from Andy...
Best regards & happy Christmas from a Z900RS owner ( where stock exhaust is just lovely :=)
Sure it’s not as handsome as a piece of Akra titanium, but it’s not the worst I’ve seen by a very long stretch! Sadly the only present I’ll be giving myself is a set of tank pads! As long as the bike is running well, i can live with the can as it is for now. And with austerity measures being imposed indefinitely, for the foreseeable future too!
You should try getting accessories for a Harley, now you going to pay 😳😯😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦 🥂 no cruise 😯 no go
I'd have to be crazy enough to buy a Harley first!! 😂😂
Ha, just trade it in for a yamaha MT-10
Honda is losing the plot, sadly. bumping up the price yet not catching up with the other manufacturers
Seems to be sadly true, to certain extent. The 'new' CB1000R model just reinforces that. TFT display way later than the competition, still no cruise control and visual updates that make the bike look worse!
The Honda design and development team haven't done themselves a favor with this bike. A good meal isn't created by just pouring good ingredients together.......( and even that is disputable given the front fender, mediocre headlight and rear shock)
Once again you have to ask yourself if these ' flaws' are a pure coincidence or method ?
What is the real price difference between a good headlight and the one used ?
What is the real price difference between a Wilbers or Ohlins shock absorber and the one used ?
What is the real price difference between a decent front fender and the one used ?
Why not assemble a bike that would reflect what the industry is really capable of ?
Is it because consumers are trimmed to accept the mediocrity?
Thanks for laying out the unfiltered truth Andy .
Safe rides and travels 🙏🏍👍
My pleasure mate. Although i do agree that they shouldn’t cut corners, i also think the price difference is probably quite large. The development time put into the headlight will have been substantial. I imagine they got to the end, realised it was rubbish and didn’t want to start again! With the shocks i think that a decent unit would be easily twice the price, maybe more. And let’s be honest, for most buyers of this bike, they’ll never even touch the adjusters, let alone notice that the shock is bad.
Overall i think that if all the gear was properly specced, we’d be looking at KTM Superduke R money, and then nobody would buy one. They’d all have the superduke! Honda know what they’re doing. Give you just enough good stuff to get you hooked, and then relax knowing that you’ll spend more money to make it right, or just not care. They get the customers, without any of the extra cost.
Did any CB1000r owners cross shop it with the Z900 ABS? The Z900 is the better deal but the CB1000R looks beautiful.
I looked briefly at the Z900, but as you said, the CB trumps it big time on looks. Plus Radial mounted front brakes were a plus for me. Not to mention that i got a great price so the CB actually was a better deal than the Kwak.
@@AndyManCam Oh you got a killer deal. When I was looking the CB was 4k more.
Yeah I got over 3k off list price for mine! 😎
@@AndyManCam Lucky Man! How's the paint on yours holding up? I'm surprised to read that some have an issue with it. Looking at the bike the paint looked like it had a great quality deep gloss on it.
The gloss is glorious. Its just very soft. The worst is on the engine. I’ve got big patches that are down to the metal already after 12,000km. Unacceptable!
unless you buy a performance bike the suspension will always be on budget and crap. Ever since I got my first suspension mod am sold and have it done to every bike since. Well worth the investment, comfort, performance and foremost safety will greatly improve.
Sadly that’s the truth. I guess otherwise the price would be much higher. Plus i imagine that many customers don’t really care. I’ll definitely be looking at Upgrades as soon as the budget allows.
It's kind of funny, but the LED headlight on my Honda would be a major like and in the other video if it was me making these. I do not have the same Honda LED as you though, I have a 2020 Rebel S. Mind you, I came from old tech bulbs, so anything would pretty much be an improvement. I once drove my car across two cities and a lot of highway without noticing I had accidentally put the small parking lights on, and not the main lights. Did not notice the difference. :P
The Rebel though, has lovely lights. And it looks like the new Rebel 1100 is getting the same headlight as the 500, so that is probably a good thing.
The real funny thing is that the LED headlight IS in the other video and I DO like it! But the function of it is undeniably terrible! I'd imagined that with the newest tech, it would be amazing. But it really is worse than anything I've ever used with old tech bulbs. Very disappointing!
I wonder if you couldn’t have bought one in the UK and ridden it home to Germany. You would have scored massive discounts on what is a a very poor seller here. My local bike dealer had a mint nearly new one in for ages that he couldn’t shift due to competition from KTM, Yamaha, BMW etc. You would also get a load of accessories thrown in and fitted for free?
Nah, that would have been wildly complicated with the import and registration paperwork. Plus the entire first service interval would have been eaten up by motorway miles. No fun at all! I'm not really all that sad about the extras TBH. I'll just go aftermarket for everything. Plus I actually got 3 grand off the price over here and delivered to my doorstep! :D
Soft paint: I always put a Baglux tank harness on my bikes. Most of the other negative points don't bother me, apart from the weak headlight. Maybe the new model's is better.
The headlight is definitely the worst of all these issues. No excuse for putting on a headlight that doesn't actually show the road!
@@AndyManCam I owned the 22 black Edition. I can't compare the headlight with the 18 Version, but i think the lights are very good now.
Be thankful they don't do what KTM do with the upgrades. Already on the bike from the factory and it's a 2nd mortgage to turn them on!
Car manufacturers have been doing that for ages.
Very true Steven. That would be even more annoying!!
@@AndyManCam probably dont have warranty issues on day one of honda ownership either ....
Agree with you on the rear hugger/splash guard. It's also a bit of a pain in the arse to remove too:
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It desperately needs to be ‚minimised‘. I feel an exploratory garage video coming on.
'Shaking around like a shitting dog...' 😂😂😂
A crude but fitting description!
Two great vids again amc.
I have the little brother CB650R and I must admit I love it. Mostly.
The fuelling/engine braking/throttle off throttle on is, rather lumpy (I am a new rider, so it might be me) and oh my effing father of baby J, attempting to fill the thing with petrol. It’s sooooooooo annoying.
Lastly, I get a few false neutrals, which may be me, but I don’t think so.
Other than that , I Bloomin’ love it and can only imagine the 1000 version is just better.
Natch
Many thanks David! The 650 is also a stunning looking piece of kit! Is your headlight any better though?! I reckon you could probably smooth out the throttling with practice. I think that coming from my super Jerky FZ1 has given me Jedi-like throttle precision now! I've had a fair few falso neutrals too, but have managed to reduce it by just being overly 'motivated' with my shifting! Keep enjoying that CB mate!
I understand that crash bars can sometimes cause vibrations. Pops and bangs are caused by poor fueling, or they're created artificially by the manufacturer because some people like it 😉
It’s definitely the end can in this scenario. Maybe because the stocker provides the right amount of weight to dampen the buzz, or maybe because the fuelling gets a bit leaner. Guess I’ll never know. The pops and bangs on ‚modern‘ bikes (EFI) is created on purpose by the manufacturers, but not because people like it. It’s because of the air recirculating systems that allow fuel to burn in the exhaust, thereby improving emissions. 🤓
agree 100% with the mud guard, really wish it was metal and painted to match the bike.
Know exactly what you mean with the full beam, I ride with full beam as normal and nobody seems to be dazzled by it, also fuel filling, not sure if it's the tank but when I fill up I twist the pump nozzle with ninja precision but the fuel already in the fuel line goes over the tank just as I am about to put the nozzle in the hole!! really pi..es me off..
That's not a sign of a good headlight is it!? "Is it even on?" I've also doused the tank in fuel a fair few times. At least it's fully disinfected! 😂
I swear I left the full beam On once, literally once for a mere minute... got flashed by first car coming in the opposite direction
What would be good to see, next time you do it, is a video of the chain adjustment and all it entails.
I'll see what I can arrange next time I tighten it.
I saw the other video about things you like of this bike. Honestly vibrations, poor headlight, wrong buttons position, gasoline shower when "tanking" and delicate painting are more than enough for me to make me thinking to choose another bike.
A crappy, shitty, rusty, piece of iron like the Moto Guzzi Griso 1100? 😅😆
Ha! I'm obviously far more tolerant then! The riding of the thing honestly makes all of those things just go away! It's a wonderful machine and I love it!"
Did they add cruise control in more recent model years?
Hello, very good reviews on the motorcycle. I wonder what kind of rear view mirrors you have on?
Sincerely!
Thanks! They are by Hashiru, bought from polo-motorrad.com
I note that other makes models are moving the position of some of the switches. Yamaha have moved the passing light switch to the high beam switch on some models. Could this be an edict from the EU or the USA?
Possibly. Or just the jostling for space due to all of the fancy control buttons needed for the TFT displays that all bikes are slowly being kitted out with.
@@AndyManCam I keep hitting the "select" button (which is where the flash is "supposed to be"), which cycles the various trip meters on the MT - years of muscle memory mean I can't remember to hit the "high beam" button for the flash...
I still keep on switching off the traction control!
@AndyManCam Maybe it's a sign...
The cruise control situation is truly maddening. I think Honda have simply decided the CB1000R is purely a city bike and it's your own fault for taking it out on the motorway.
You could well be right there. Although a 145BHP litre bike is a bit of overkill for riding to the corner shop!! 🤣 Nice one Honda!
Check out Pyramid plastics, the do very good high quality accessories for all brands, including rear cals
All Pyramid have for this bike is from Ermax. Sadly, IMHO, it's all utterly disgusting and deservers no place on my bike!!
now I like the deceleration on that bike it telling me that everything engine wise is almost spot on
Fuelling wise you mean? I think that it's a bit of a misleading situation because the buzziness indicates lean fuelling, whereas lean fuelling would normally cause in-pipe explosions. So I think that without the Euro 4 exhaust system, this bike would pop and crack like crazy! It's just being muffled so much that it can't be heard. It was the same on my age old Versys 650. It never seemd to pop. Just the odd 'puff'. But as soon as I changed the endcan, it popped around 95% more!
@@AndyManCam detonation ? I've have something I'm trying to figure o2 sensers are pre catalyst so by removing the catalyst or just say freeing up the Exhausts stream causes a lean situation the only way this could happen would be the stock ecu would not be able to richen the mixture in correspondence with o2 readings it would be interesting to see the deltaP across a catalyst of a bike the mixture in a stock bike nowadays is lean to start with right?
@@AndyManCam i can tell you mine with a full system flames *constantly*. Popiest bike I’ve ever had but I love it
I have to agree with you. I love my CB1R but the #1 gripe I have is the terrible headlight. It might be OK if you drive in a city with street lights but going around corners on a dark street results in 0 light on the bend driving into pitch darkness. Not good if you live in an area like I do with many deer. I've just ordered the SW-Motch engine guards so I can mount some aux lights to it.
It's a stinker!! I've just fitted the SW-Motech LED's actually! Video is now live!
That’s it, I’m selling mine. Ha! Fun video, thank you. I agree with all of these except the vibration, I’ve never noticed it.
Hahaha! Maybe you actually will if you start to have the paint woes that I'm having! The oil sump is completely stripped and the front of the engine is going the same way. Honda says it's 'normal'. Even if I keep this bike for a while, Honda won't be getting another penny out of me in the future!
Vibration... I hate to say I told you so... :0)
It's really not all that bad though. Not enough to consider getting rid of the bike or even regretting buying it. Just a niggle. Maybe one day I'll get a bit of Dyno action and have it tuned out completely!
@@AndyManCam Nothing is perfect. The Z900RS I eventually chose needed a remap to get rid of the choppy throttle. The CB was fun though so I can see why it's worth some fettling.
It seems to rain more in Germany, than UK.
Haha! It's coincidental, I promise! I was purposely out in the rain on this one, to give the Oxford gear a proper test!
Hi, about the mudguard, you can reinforce it on the inside with epoxy. Also put on a lip so it keeps everything a lot cleaner. Perhaps switching between regular and premium fuel the buzz is less? It is a gorgeous bike imo. Cheers. Sub-ed
I’ve decided to just switch it out completely. SW-Motech have an aluminium mudguard in the pipeline so that’ll tidy things up nicely. I actually did fee like the premium fuel was less buzzy. Wasn’t sure if it was just in my head though. At todays prices though, i don’t think I’ll be Testing it any time soon!!
yeah im watching the hates video first. because i am a rebel.
Haha! Unsurprisingly, you're not alone! Already 3 times as many views for the HATE one as for the LOVE one!!
@@AndyManCam damn. i thought i was so unique and special :(
Haha! Here, here!
AWW i feel so loved XD this comunity is awesome !!
I am thinking of getting one of these but seeing over 60 used ones for sale with under 3000 miles most of them and 2 or 3 owners I am guessing people do not like them ?? Never seen so many bikes of the same model only 2 years old with such low miles for sale. WHY are they shit ?
I think lots of people have bought them, expecting them to be comfortable cruisy retro types. But there is still quite a lot of the old fireblade left in the bikes character! So it's not quite as comfortable as the style would suggest, unless you'Re used to that type of platform. I came from an FZ1-N, so this was actually a bit of a comfort upgrade for me. Also I think there are a fair few quality control issues that are NOT typical Honda. The engine is a lot buzzier than I expected from Honda, plus the paint and welding is atrocious. Oh and the rear suspension really should have been left in the 90's. For me currently, the fun of riding the thing and also the way it looks is enough to make me keep it until something far more awesome comes along. Right now, there isn't anything that is good enough to make me trade in.
@@AndyManCam I have had 3 fz1n and sold my 2015 one last year, loved it one of the best bikes I have had. Sold my new shape xjr1300 6 months ago so am looking for a fun up right bike. I have my tiger 800 for long rides I just want this for 200 miles fast fun ride but really am not to sure on it after all the reviews I keep seeing. I like to keep my bikes in mint condition
@MrEnglishman6969 it’ll definitely be fun to ride, just don’t get it wet! 😅
@@AndyManCam lol my days of riding when it’s raining are gone. If weather looks a bit dodgy I would take one of my other bikes. Still can not decide on these. I like the old shape. Looking at a 2018 cb1000r at the moment. At least that does not have the fly by wire throttle or all the electric crap
Ultimately it’s an entirely different bike. Just with the same engine.
I'm glad you said all those things about the CB 1100CC. I almost bought it, but decided to get the new Rebel 1,100 cc instead.
Got cruise control, strong thick metal paint and no vibration. I got 7,000 miles on it already. Oh and no chrome anywhere. All black everywhere even the forks. The ergonomics are a little funny. Im only 5'10 " and it is pulling on my shoulders after a couple of hours.
Happy to help Andre. These are after all, the things that you can only really learn after having had the bike for a while. Enjoy the machine and hopefully you can iron out those ergonomics issues.
have a look at the booster plug,real time AF correction whether the bike is stock or you have a slip on & air filter or full race system the booster plug will sort it,got one on my SDGT with de cat link pipe & end can & motorhooligan race filter & velocity stacks ,bike runs spot on.
I've already gotta one! 😁
Given you’re in Germany, have a look at Wilbers. I’ve got their 641 shock on my Z900 and the difference it made was fantastic. Being just down the road from Nitron, I would have gone with them but the closest comparable shock they offer is the R3 and that was £150 more expensive than the Wilbers. Best money I’ve spent on the bike. Incredible difference the way it was setup when it arrived and even better still once I got it dialled in properly.
They seems to be pretty solid shocks with a great reputation. Will have to wait a bit though as they're still pretty pricey! Maybe santa will drop one off...
I got the same gripe with the position of the horn button on my Honda Rebel CMX500 but I must say that's the only gripe I have :)
That's a good position to be in! I've almost completely re-learned it now!
Whilst your other vid shows you love the bike, this vid is maybe indicative that you'll be trading in when you can afford it as there are too many significant dislikes imo that will gnaw away at you. After 2 years of ownership there was only thing I *hated* about my 1290 SAS and that was the stock screen. I love everything else. Superb and mental machine. The stuff you listed would do my head in!
No chance! There's nothing here that I haven't had on many other bikes that I've had for years. The fact that there are 11 likes vs 11 dislikes bears no relevance to how much I like this bike overall. ALL bikes have their 'things' and this one is no different. But make no mistake, this is the best bike I've ever owned. It's also the bike I like the most out of everything I've ridden since I started this channel! Otherwise there's no way I would have put down my hard earned to get one! Trust me, such decisions are not made lightly in the AMC camp!