Sorry to disagree again Joe on the torque nitpicking you did. (I'm subscribed to your channel and love you nonetheless just clarifying that). Why in the hell would I be on 6th gear trying to push the car/torque? Its something that makes no sense, because it's not the proper way to drive, specially a M car. I would obviously bring down the gears to maybe 3rd or 4th gear to actually get the torque and fly away. It's like trying to make a F1 car fly from a 20mph run in 7th gear...it won't have the torque to do it, it'll take a few seconds to pick up. In my opinion you were nitpicking on something without any sense. Put the car on the correct gear whether you on a straight or a hill climb and that X3M will fly out. The X3M is way better than the M40i in every aspect and only downside if you don't have the money is the big difference in cost. But to me, it's worth it. If I couldn't afford a X3M than yes I'd be happy with the M40i but if I had the money, I wouldn't even consider the M40i and just went for the X3M.
The holy grail! I had a 4x4 Sierra Cosworth and I spent my life and every penny I earned on trying to achieve that figure! Only got to 458 and it blew up eventually
The problem with this engine is that the connecting rods are not forged and they come from the f90 M5 and they are not all that strong... so to me the isn’t forged connecting rods are a weak point in an engine like this...
Alfa just need a solid facelift of the stelvio - adaptive LEDs, 360 camera, infotainment reskin, new centre console trim - and it’ll easily be king of fast suv’s with that chassis, dampening and engine
A good tune, and downsizing the wheels to 265/45r20 front and 275/45r20 rear from the standard 21's makes all the difference. It clears up some of the low down engine issues and mitigates the stiff springs so it doesn't beat you up over every bump.
Hi Joe, that’s a very honest, and factual review. Personally I found even the X3 M40i ride, was very firm, (compared to my 3 Series with m-sport suspension). The best ride I experienced, was on an X3 3.0 D, with 20 inch wheels, run flats, and with adaptive suspension, really plush, by comparison. I find BMW have a tendency, to over stiffen their performance cars, which as we all know works absolutely fine, on the smooth roads of Europe. It’s a real shame they can’t put together a UK specific, ride-package. Keep up the good work!
Just got one for the family a couple of weeks ago and wow! Amazing. Same specs as the one Joe reviewed, except mine is 2021and has the red interior. Drives like a supercar but also great as a daily. Love it and recommend it
I adore the looks of this SUV in this color - and that lowered suspension makes it look absolutely perfect! Great video - lucky you, Joe. I can only dream of having a X3M Competition.
What's the point of showing us what the X3 M is like on a bumpy road in sport + mode? Obviously, an owner would select comfort, that would have been more relevant., But, as always, great review!
Exactly! How stupid? Same as "testing" the low down torque. Why leave it manual in 6th, when the thing can downshift to 4th in a second, and get up to speed in a fraction of a second?
Nice to see an honest review when supplied with a press car...so often the reviewer is thinking more about not upsetting the brand....the ride quality issues are ridiculous, I have current M5 2018 and last week took the M5 Competition out for a test drive....living in the countryside I have a three mile drive to an A road...my two young daughters were green and wanted to stop to throw up...standard M5 in comfort is already firm enough......why could BMW U.K. and also Italy Belgium France were the B roads are not great just insist on a proper comfort setting....I would certainly be in the market for this car if it had the ability to waft..
I am 3k miles into my X3M Comp now, and I can honestly say the ride really isn’t an issue. I use it as the daily drive for school runs and work trips, and it’s a supremely comfortable and versatile all rounder with a ferocious turn of speed when poked. I was a little underwhelmed at first, but I have it set up perfectly now in M1 and it’s hilarious when you give the beans. It’s definitely softened with the miles, as the speed bumps in my village are no issue now, but where horrendous when I first got the car. It feels special (which is important for a £70k car), is equipped with everything, soaks up family life (bikes, furniture etc), it’s comfy, sounds great (only in SP), and in the right set up (MDM) is an absolute scream to drive, ticks every box for my life right now. Marmite car, but as an owner with a few miles covered now I can tell you it’s a superb all round package. In the 3 months of ownership I’m yet to see another, and gets a lot of attention from those who know, I’ve been approached a few times now with people asking about it. It makes me smile every time I drive it, so I will be keeping it for as long as it continues to do so.
Couldn’t agree more. Was a bit worried about the harsh ride comments but it is definitely comfortable in comfort and so brutal in Sport Plus. 10 out of 10 all rounder: design, finish, quality, versatility, refinement, high tech now with idrive7...
The problem with this engine is that the connecting rods are not forged and they come from the f90 M5 and they are not all that strong... so to me the isn’t forged connecting rods are a weak point in an engine like this...
Have to agree mate. Had mine for a year now and just 4.5k in. Love it more and more. It had serious road presence, ridiculous performance and loves a drink :) the interior is lovely and the car I got had many options ticked. I like the pano roof, comfort access etc. I love the mps4s but don’t like the stones in summer heat :) I have the non idrive 7 so I ended up getting car play full screen hack and I opted for mss springs at evolve (Video is on their channel!) I only got it as the school run is speed bumps and potholes galore. I ended up pulling the fuse for the exhausts flaps to stay open and she sounds perfect. 3 years to go on the PCP I may chop in before the major 30k service but for now she’s a keeper. Best car for the the money I’ve ever had. Tops the cheap s5 lease I had too.
Also for me the ‘issue’ with torque isn’t an issue the engine is a high red line 7k and you need to use gears or sport plus in d3 mode. In the correct gear it will go like a stabbed rat. I’ve had a 335d and the reverse happened on that no puff high up but high torque.
Joe, I watched this very same video weeks ago before picking up my new X3MC I took on board your comments and thought I’ll make up my own thoughts?? To confirm, after owning the car for over six weeks now and not much use apart from the odd supermarket run but enough time to realise your video make perfect sense. Cruise control on 60mph and you drive up a incline the gearbox is changing down, no wonder my fuel economy is sat at 18.6 mpg lol!!! Great review.
Good informative honest review. Can't see the extra value in it for UK roads. Probably best suited to German autobahns. Those wheels look so easy to damage as well. Too much money for an X3. New "Cushion Head" T-shirt on the way?? Pity the beard too😂😂
What a review! Instant subscribe. I saw your interview with the boss of Alpina back in the days, blown away by your passion and knowledge. You know what to say and you come with new perspectives i did not heard before! Love it keep up the good work!!
If I'm right, BMW M Motors only get their full performance after a certain number of kilometers. This is done through an update in the garage. perhaps that is why you find the car less powerful under the 3000rmp. you could possibly ask it after asking the dealer!
Drove one yesterday in Australia, loved it didn’t find the ride to harsh. On our roads it was fine. Only thing I didn’t like was when it short shifted up the gears and when it did went to accelerate it literally didn’t go I had to shift 2 gears down for it to move. Only thing I didn’t like. I think it’s a bit to pricey for what it is, considering for 11k more you can get an X7 M50D with a lot of space and decent performance seems like a better buy.
I think the lack of ‘low-down torque’ could be due to the weight of the thing, like you said. Shame the exhaust is so tame compared to the US version, but actually.. it’s kinda refreshing to be able to hear a clean exhaust note without burbles interrupting it on the upshift/overrun.
Great review Joe. 20 years ago no one would believe this type of suv would exist. Performance is ridiculous. Not sure why you would buy one but a great car.
can't understand why in a competition model they've have fake vents and cheap plastic.competition is supposed to be top of the range smh.great review as always anyway joe
I've seen a few people mention the lack of low end torque on the bimmerpost forums as well. I suspect the lower compression ratio of 9.3:1 and bigger turbos when compared to the S55 is what is making that extra lag. This might make the G80 M3 a lot of fun though with a lot of power at the top end. I'd like to see a dash video of the car being floored at 2000rpm in 2nd or 3rd to see how it responds if that would be possible Joe. Great review as usual!
Interesting review Joe. For me, and I know everyone is different, but to me you nailed the issue when you said “If you want a sports car, then you wouldn’t buy an SUV”. Applies to all of these to me, the Range Rovers, Porsches, you name it. You are trying to defy the laws of physics with cars like this. I get you may want an SUV with a decent amount if grunt and maybe you have kids, so need space, but there are plenty of lower riding estates etc that do it better. As you say, the M40i is more suited to the X3. Like the looks by the way. As you commented, I don’t like the new big grilles. This is the last of the ‘old’ styling (as is the X2 I think) and it’s better than the latest models to my eyes. Has the round digital dials too, which I much prefer to the new digital ones. Just my two cents, as they say. Cheers for a great vid and love the ending!
First off turbo lag is always a factor. Mix that with the fact that it's an SAV (Not suv lol) you understand the low rpm issues it deals with handley. Also go all the way to the original and suspension has always been stiff. Its fine unless a rear stut goes out then bring the pepto! Either you buy one you understand why it has always been more capable than the... If you'll excuse the phun, Competition.😀
Joe I think you are missing the original DNA of a M vehicle. Real M cars are suppose to be high reving engine . I have both the X4M40i and have also driven the X3M extensively . The S58 engine is far better than the B58 engine . The low end torque of the B58 is good but it loses the torque after 4000 rpm where else the S58 is still pulling towards the redline . In fact I am so taken by the S58 that I have decided to trade in the M40I for the X3M. I totally agreed that the suspension is far too stiff and it is uncomfortable when the road is bad . Most of the M cars suffer from not so good suspension calibration which M need it improve in this dept. My Ferrari or Aston never give me such uncomfortable felling even though there are much stiffer reason is that the suspension calibration done by Ferrari and Aston are great .
I'm not missing the point of the real M engine, I actually talking about the fact it should rev out like a N/A engine does... But the lack of low down torque means it really struggles with the big bus and means you have to be up it all the time to make progress.... That is fine in proper sports cars, but becomes frustrating in the X3M when just using it as a daily in drive.
Top review fella. Your membership card for the B57 30d fan club is in the post - 20Nm more torque than that in the X3 as well (620Nm v 600Nm in the S58). Does sound like the S58 engine will be off the scale fun if they give the UK a manual G80 M3 though, the way you describe its torque and power curve.
Honestly i felt the same about the S55 in the M2C and M4C when i drove it after my M140i. Sure they rev out nicer and may have more power up top. But the torque the B58 has at very low revs (
I just watched your review of Stelvio QV and then I thought to see this one and you made me confused really... when talking about the best looking car and the best chassis...
Hi Joe. Enjoyed the review as always, quality work. The last N/A straight six was, in fact, the N53 which was then discontinued circa 2013. Best regards.
Very nice review. This motor is the perfect example of how peak numbers are only half the equation. The torque curve is every bit as important. Vehicles like this remind me of 125cc motocross bikes where if you aren't revving them to death they aren't moving. Fun on a racebike, not so much on my daily driver. Beyond that the suspension choices are inexcusable. Not having a real comfort mode in a small SUV?? Really???
Hasn't ride quality always been an issue for all M cars on British roads?BMW seems incapable of tuning M car suspension for us, or is it that our roads are probably the worst they've ever been.
Great review Joe! Love the cushion! Maybe tape it to your butt instead? I also live in Buckinghamshire and also have the X3M40i - which is a beautiful, beautiful car! I was convinced it was the best SUV of the bunch compared to the GLC AMG 43 and the Sq5. I have de-badged mine and removed the annoying fake piped in noise (called active sound design in BMW cars). It is the perfect daily for taking the wife and kids around and an excellent B road blaster when they are not in the car. In fact, on my commute to work, I take it on B roads just to enjoy the drive. I love it and fuels my love of driving. Based upon what I have seen so far - the much better choice for our roads and my lifestyle than the X3M for a £20k premium........? Sorry BMW!
I do agree with you to a certain extent. But come on let's be real...if money wouldn't be an issue, you'd go for the X3M and not the M40i...let's be honest. If God gives me the opportunity this year, I'll be able to afford the X3M and I won't even look at the M40i as an option. But the M40i it's an awesome car and I congratulate you for your beautiful car, you didn't go wrong for sure.
I have got an X3M and for me the biggest selling point over the M40i was the exterior looks, nicer wheels and the interior upgrades are night and day difference plus the extra power 👌
Great review Joe, very capable and extremely good looking, yes I'm talking about the car, lol. Shame a car with this power can feel weak in the low and midrange, a mismatch maybe? @21.29 we are in trike mode, really surprising .
The BM is better built, has a nicer cabin and infotainment system etc, the Stelvio is the better driver's car, incredible handling but most importantly, incredible ride quality which the X3M can on dream of....
@@JoeAchilles1 thanks for your feedback, I've checked your videos and after that buyed an 2019 Stelvio QV. What's about the sound of the two cars? Exhaust ofc,
Sorry, late to the video. Joe, I just picked up my own X3 M Competition (black) - do you know any content creators who are vlogging their modifications? I'm think of lowering springs and potentially a piggyback tune - but don't know yet. Thanks!
I’ve had the X3M for 6 months. Verdict: terrible ride, bad fuel consumption, great handling, ballistic engine (above 3,000rpm). I had the X3 M40i beforehand. Verdict: better ride, slightly better fuel consumption, great torque, not as quick (but still rapid), easier car to live with. Overall verdict: I’m a fan of silly cars. I love the X3M.
You mentioned how the carbon fiber highlights the not so great plastic trim throughout the dash. My F80 has the full merino leather option, which has all the parts that are normally plastic on the dash, upholstered in leather. So that’s not an issue. Is there not some similar option offered on the new X3 M?
Yes the extended leather is nice, but the surround near the gear stick/selector still looks out of place on the F80's and nice spec ALPINAS. There isn't that option on the X3M here in the UK, doubt there will be on the new M3/4 either due to all the WLTP bullshit testing
Joe maybe I missed it, but what would you rather have... X3 M Competition OR X3 M40i... (based on price). The reason I ask is I'm wondering if someone who already has the X3 M40i should upgrade?
Joe, what would you take for a daily, this X3M competition, or a M5 competition? I have seen drag races and I know the M5 is the fastest 4 door, but if you want a daily, what would you get the M5 competition or the x3M competition?
I'd get a standard M5. In fact that's what I got because the Competition was a bit too brittle in Comfort and annoyed the family. The Standard M5 isn't exactly soft but it is a great car to cover distances in great comfort and still enjoy wonderful suspension and great performance. The Competition badge on the likes of the M5 and the X cars mean they aren't anywhere near as useable as a daily driver.
Does it have the same (awful) seats as the M4 Competition i.e. no adjustable lumbar support? If so I'd want more than an Avengers cushion, I'd need Scarlett Johansen for comfort ;)
@@Levente20 Not the holes, it doesn't have any adjustable lumbar support like the OG M4. I drove one and my lower back ached. I had no such problem on the M2 Competition which uses the OG M4's seat type.
The X3M Competition seat has adjustable lumbar support, adjustable side bolstering, and adjustable thigh support. The seats are considerably more comfortable than the M3/4 Comp seats. Swapped from a ‘17 F80 Comp to this 2 months ago, and I love it!
i fuck these things most times uphill along with AUDI Q3 and 5 and GLC and E in my 10 year old Lexus Hybrid SUV....and these drivers are always pretty pissed because my car has only 1 hidden exhaust pipe and looks quite oldfashioned but timeless classy !!!
This is the best SUV in the class,but i'm shoked by the price.I'm actual owner of this X3 but in luxury line eith 30d and trust me this SUV has no competition with the combination of tech,luxury and driving expiriance.But the price of this X3M is toooooooo much.Imagine that the new GLE 53 AMG wich is in the class abouve is the same price.WTF????
How can u say the interior looks dated when its brand spankers and super fresh. Looks more modern than my 2016 m4 and that still looks good. Dated to me is mk6 gti or e90 m3.
Also if you do want a significantly slower but more comfortable car. Get the b58 But then if you want that why not jus buy a biturbo diesel? Feel as fast as the x3m just without the revs. I’m gonna start recording myself spouting absolute rubbish and call myself Eddie guerrero
Sorry to disagree again Joe on the torque nitpicking you did.
(I'm subscribed to your channel and love you nonetheless just clarifying that).
Why in the hell would I be on 6th gear trying to push the car/torque? Its something that makes no sense, because it's not the proper way to drive, specially a M car.
I would obviously bring down the gears to maybe 3rd or 4th gear to actually get the torque and fly away.
It's like trying to make a F1 car fly from a 20mph run in 7th gear...it won't have the torque to do it, it'll take a few seconds to pick up.
In my opinion you were nitpicking on something without any sense. Put the car on the correct gear whether you on a straight or a hill climb and that X3M will fly out.
The X3M is way better than the M40i in every aspect and only downside if you don't have the money is the big difference in cost. But to me, it's worth it. If I couldn't afford a X3M than yes I'd be happy with the M40i but if I had the money, I wouldn't even consider the M40i and just went for the X3M.
You don't need to be sorry, sounds like you've spent lots of time in both the X3 M40i and X3M so you're totally entitled to your opinion 👌
I remember back in the olden days when 500hp was a tuners dream.
The holy grail! I had a 4x4 Sierra Cosworth and I spent my life and every penny I earned on trying to achieve that figure!
Only got to 458 and it blew up eventually
FAST LANE DIARIES I had a SUBARU Impreza with 554bhp, that blew up too lol
The problem with this engine is that the connecting rods are not forged and they come from the f90 M5 and they are not all that strong... so to me the isn’t forged connecting rods are a weak point in an engine like this...
Can we get the Avengers cushion in matching carbon fiber pattern?
By the sounds of what you are saying it needs a proper remap to improve the LET, then of course it will get even more thirsty!
Thanks for outlining in detail the advantages of a higher seating position. I'd never have worked all that out.
Alfa just need a solid facelift of the stelvio - adaptive LEDs, 360 camera, infotainment reskin, new centre console trim - and it’ll easily be king of fast suv’s with that chassis, dampening and engine
A good tune, and downsizing the wheels to 265/45r20 front and 275/45r20 rear from the standard 21's makes all the difference. It clears up some of the low down engine issues and mitigates the stiff springs so it doesn't beat you up over every bump.
It doesn’t
Hi Joe, that’s a very honest, and factual review. Personally I found even the X3 M40i ride, was very firm, (compared to my 3 Series with m-sport suspension). The best ride I experienced, was on an X3 3.0 D, with 20 inch wheels, run flats, and with adaptive suspension, really plush, by comparison. I find BMW have a tendency, to over stiffen their performance cars, which as we all know works absolutely fine, on the smooth roads of Europe. It’s a real shame they can’t put together a UK specific, ride-package. Keep up the good work!
Just got one for the family a couple of weeks ago and wow! Amazing. Same specs as the one Joe reviewed, except mine is 2021and has the red interior. Drives like a supercar but also great as a daily. Love it and recommend it
I adore the looks of this SUV in this color - and that lowered suspension makes it look absolutely perfect! Great video - lucky you, Joe. I can only dream of having a X3M Competition.
What's the point of showing us what the X3 M is like on a bumpy road in sport + mode? Obviously, an owner would select comfort, that would have been more relevant., But, as always, great review!
Giom Mouton I think in general it’s just too stiff for uk roads as it appears.
Exactly! How stupid? Same as "testing" the low down torque. Why leave it manual in 6th, when the thing can downshift to 4th in a second, and get up to speed in a fraction of a second?
@@juandavidescobar6964 cuz he’s not a good reviewer. Very bias
Overrated
RBR, Matt watson even CERTIDRIVERS are less monotone and an easier watch
Nice to see an honest review when supplied with a press car...so often the reviewer is thinking more about not upsetting the brand....the ride quality issues are ridiculous, I have current M5 2018 and last week took the M5 Competition out for a test drive....living in the countryside I have a three mile drive to an A road...my two young daughters were green and wanted to stop to throw up...standard M5 in comfort is already firm enough......why could BMW U.K. and also Italy Belgium France were the B roads are not great just insist on a proper comfort setting....I would certainly be in the market for this car if it had the ability to waft..
I am 3k miles into my X3M Comp now, and I can honestly say the ride really isn’t an issue. I use it as the daily drive for school runs and work trips, and it’s a supremely comfortable and versatile all rounder with a ferocious turn of speed when poked.
I was a little underwhelmed at first, but I have it set up perfectly now in M1 and it’s hilarious when you give the beans. It’s definitely softened with the miles, as the speed bumps in my village are no issue now, but where horrendous when I first got the car.
It feels special (which is important for a £70k car), is equipped with everything, soaks up family life (bikes, furniture etc), it’s comfy, sounds great (only in SP), and in the right set up (MDM) is an absolute scream to drive, ticks every box for my life right now.
Marmite car, but as an owner with a few miles covered now I can tell you it’s a superb all round package. In the 3 months of ownership I’m yet to see another, and gets a lot of attention from those who know, I’ve been approached a few times now with people asking about it.
It makes me smile every time I drive it, so I will be keeping it for as long as it continues to do so.
future classic
Couldn’t agree more. Was a bit worried about the harsh ride comments but it is definitely comfortable in comfort and so brutal in Sport Plus. 10 out of 10 all rounder: design, finish, quality, versatility, refinement, high tech now with idrive7...
The problem with this engine is that the connecting rods are not forged and they come from the f90 M5 and they are not all that strong... so to me the isn’t forged connecting rods are a weak point in an engine like this...
Have to agree mate. Had mine for a year now and just 4.5k in. Love it more and more. It had serious road presence, ridiculous performance and loves a drink :) the interior is lovely and the car I got had many options ticked. I like the pano roof, comfort access etc. I love the mps4s but don’t like the stones in summer heat :)
I have the non idrive 7 so I ended up getting car play full screen hack and I opted for mss springs at evolve (Video is on their channel!) I only got it as the school run is speed bumps and potholes galore. I ended up pulling the fuse for the exhausts flaps to stay open and she sounds perfect.
3 years to go on the PCP I may chop in before the major 30k service but for now she’s a keeper. Best car for the the money I’ve ever had. Tops the cheap s5 lease I had too.
Also for me the ‘issue’ with torque isn’t an issue the engine is a high red line 7k and you need to use gears or sport plus in d3 mode. In the correct gear it will go like a stabbed rat. I’ve had a 335d and the reverse happened on that no puff high up but high torque.
Great video Joe.
Any chance you review the latest Alpina XD3 or XD4 next??
Joe, I watched this very same video weeks ago before picking up my new X3MC I took on board your comments and thought I’ll make up my own thoughts?? To confirm, after owning the car for over six weeks now and not much use apart from the odd supermarket run but enough time to realise your video make perfect sense. Cruise control on 60mph and you drive up a incline the gearbox is changing down, no wonder my fuel economy is sat at 18.6 mpg lol!!! Great review.
I think the S58 will bring the rain 🌧⚡️
I hope they make the engine bay look as nice as the S55 in next year’s m3 though
I like the idea of no pops and bangs. Thank you Joe👍
Good informative honest review. Can't see the extra value in it for UK roads. Probably best suited to German autobahns. Those wheels look so easy to damage as well. Too much money for an X3. New "Cushion Head" T-shirt on the way?? Pity the beard too😂😂
What a review! Instant subscribe. I saw your interview with the boss of Alpina back in the days, blown away by your passion and knowledge. You know what to say and you come with new perspectives i did not heard before! Love it keep up the good work!!
If I'm right, BMW M Motors only get their full performance after a certain number of kilometers. This is done through an update in the garage. perhaps that is why you find the car less powerful under the 3000rmp. you could possibly ask it after asking the dealer!
Drove one yesterday in Australia, loved it didn’t find the ride to harsh. On our roads it was fine. Only thing I didn’t like was when it short shifted up the gears and when it did went to accelerate it literally didn’t go I had to shift 2 gears down for it to move. Only thing I didn’t like. I think it’s a bit to pricey for what it is, considering for 11k more you can get an X7 M50D with a lot of space and decent performance seems like a better buy.
I think the lack of ‘low-down torque’ could be due to the weight of the thing, like you said. Shame the exhaust is so tame compared to the US version, but actually.. it’s kinda refreshing to be able to hear a clean exhaust note without burbles interrupting it on the upshift/overrun.
Great review Joe. 20 years ago no one would believe this type of suv would exist. Performance is ridiculous. Not sure why you would buy one but a great car.
can't understand why in a competition model they've have fake vents and cheap plastic.competition is supposed to be top of the range smh.great review as always anyway joe
I've seen a few people mention the lack of low end torque on the bimmerpost forums as well. I suspect the lower compression ratio of 9.3:1 and bigger turbos when compared to the S55 is what is making that extra lag. This might make the G80 M3 a lot of fun though with a lot of power at the top end. I'd like to see a dash video of the car being floored at 2000rpm in 2nd or 3rd to see how it responds if that would be possible Joe. Great review as usual!
Agree with this review. This is what I experienced driving the X3M40i & the X3M. You’re better off with the former.
Joe, I bought n X3 M40i last year because of your review.
I’m now glad that it’s big brother isn’t the king.
Thats not a road, its a bike path in the US.
3 years later and still makes a better noise than most cars today
Switch the ignition on without starting the car, put it in Eco Pro, press the TC button, blip the throttle. See if it pops and bangs this way.
Interesting review Joe. For me, and I know everyone is different, but to me you nailed the issue when you said “If you want a sports car, then you wouldn’t buy an SUV”. Applies to all of these to me, the Range Rovers, Porsches, you name it. You are trying to defy the laws of physics with cars like this. I get you may want an SUV with a decent amount if grunt and maybe you have kids, so need space, but there are plenty of lower riding estates etc that do it better. As you say, the M40i is more suited to the X3. Like the looks by the way. As you commented, I don’t like the new big grilles. This is the last of the ‘old’ styling (as is the X2 I think) and it’s better than the latest models to my eyes. Has the round digital dials too, which I much prefer to the new digital ones. Just my two cents, as they say. Cheers for a great vid and love the ending!
First off turbo lag is always a factor. Mix that with the fact that it's an SAV (Not suv lol) you understand the low rpm issues it deals with handley. Also go all the way to the original and suspension has always been stiff. Its fine unless a rear stut goes out then bring the pepto! Either you buy one you understand why it has always been more capable than the... If you'll excuse the phun, Competition.😀
Great review. Very balanced and unbiased! Keep up the great work.
Great review Joe, summed it up nicely. Our family wagon is an X3 335d, if you want anything faster than that you really don’t want an SUV
Joe I think you are missing the original DNA of a M vehicle. Real M cars are suppose to be high reving engine . I have both the X4M40i and have also driven the X3M extensively . The S58 engine is far better than the B58 engine . The low end torque of the B58 is good but it loses the torque after 4000 rpm where else the S58 is still pulling towards the redline . In fact I am so taken by the S58 that I have decided to trade in the M40I for the X3M. I totally agreed that the suspension is far too stiff and it is uncomfortable when the road is bad . Most of the M cars suffer from not so good suspension calibration which M need it improve in this dept. My Ferrari or Aston never give me such uncomfortable felling even though there are much stiffer reason is that the suspension calibration done by Ferrari and Aston are great .
I'm not missing the point of the real M engine, I actually talking about the fact it should rev out like a N/A engine does... But the lack of low down torque means it really struggles with the big bus and means you have to be up it all the time to make progress.... That is fine in proper sports cars, but becomes frustrating in the X3M when just using it as a daily in drive.
I ordered a Red one expect early October , must remember to order some cushions lol
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JED SANDS see you at the bingo🤣 you wil get a 60 plus discount🥳🥳
Top review fella. Your membership card for the B57 30d fan club is in the post - 20Nm more torque than that in the X3 as well (620Nm v 600Nm in the S58).
Does sound like the S58 engine will be off the scale fun if they give the UK a manual G80 M3 though, the way you describe its torque and power curve.
Honestly i felt the same about the S55 in the M2C and M4C when i drove it after my M140i. Sure they rev out nicer and may have more power up top. But the torque the B58 has at very low revs (
Your description of the lack of low end torque really makes me 2nd guess this car and still aim for The M40i version...
its just missing a tune
It’s also $15k more expensive... something to consider... and typically tunes void warranties...
Love the Vid brother! Getting better and better.
Pillow idea is Brilliant!! Will add in the GT2 P. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great review as always Joe. I’m gona be looking at the M40i next year…
I just watched your review of Stelvio QV and then I thought to see this one and you made me confused really... when talking about the best looking car and the best chassis...
Hi Joe. Enjoyed the review as always, quality work. The last N/A straight six was, in fact, the N53 which was then discontinued circa 2013. Best regards.
Great review - so helpful. Thanks!
Bit odd it didn’t have M seat belt stitching, pretty sure its standard
GarbisOnTheGo it’s because it’s probably an ex demo car from bmw
Very nice review. This motor is the perfect example of how peak numbers are only half the equation. The torque curve is every bit as important. Vehicles like this remind me of 125cc motocross bikes where if you aren't revving them to death they aren't moving. Fun on a racebike, not so much on my daily driver. Beyond that the suspension choices are inexcusable. Not having a real comfort mode in a small SUV?? Really???
x3m options:
m sport branded head cushion: £495
Did you pull a wheel lift at 21:30?
How beautiful is the BMW X3? I love mine
Great review Joe👍👍👌apart from the low down torque issue..me thinks it's a great SAV all-rounder 😎😎
YES JOE. Brilliant video and content thank you. BMW should of kept the round dials on the newest ranges as on this X3.
Does the sunroof have the ambient lights like the X5?
The part with the cushion killed me :P worthy option!
Awesome review, love the videos you create 👌 can’t wait to see what they do with the new 6pot M engine in the new M3/4 👍
I think Alpina XD3 is the best version of X3 if you want fast and comfortable SUV for everyday use.
I wish they would put some beautiful 2 or 3 piece wheels like the Niche Citrine, buy the way looks very BMW ish.
Astonishing interior 🤩
So, you would rather have the Stelvio QV?
Do you think and X3 M with non sport seats is a deal breaker. Other options, Macan S or SQ5
Very informative review Joe! Thx for your honnest feedback and LOL at the end of the vid ;-)
Thank you! Very informative 👍
Might be a bit rough in the road but if I had the money I would have one.
Same
Hasn't ride quality always been an issue for all M cars on British roads?BMW seems incapable of tuning M car suspension for us, or is it that our roads are probably the worst they've ever been.
Another great review Joe!
Why the Avengers pillow? Is the seat uncomfortable?
Great review Joe! Love the cushion! Maybe tape it to your butt instead? I also live in Buckinghamshire and also have the X3M40i - which is a beautiful, beautiful car! I was convinced it was the best SUV of the bunch compared to the GLC AMG 43 and the Sq5. I have de-badged mine and removed the annoying fake piped in noise (called active sound design in BMW cars). It is the perfect daily for taking the wife and kids around and an excellent B road blaster when they are not in the car. In fact, on my commute to work, I take it on B roads just to enjoy the drive. I love it and fuels my love of driving. Based upon what I have seen so far - the much better choice for our roads and my lifestyle than the X3M for a £20k premium........? Sorry BMW!
I do agree with you to a certain extent. But come on let's be real...if money wouldn't be an issue, you'd go for the X3M and not the M40i...let's be honest.
If God gives me the opportunity this year, I'll be able to afford the X3M and I won't even look at the M40i as an option.
But the M40i it's an awesome car and I congratulate you for your beautiful car, you didn't go wrong for sure.
I have got an X3M and for me the biggest selling point over the M40i was the exterior looks, nicer wheels and the interior upgrades are night and day difference plus the extra power 👌
Great review Joe, very capable and extremely good looking, yes I'm talking about the car, lol. Shame a car with this power can feel weak in the low and midrange, a mismatch maybe? @21.29 we are in trike mode, really surprising .
Hey Joe, which car did you like more? The Beamer or the Alfa Stelvio?
The BM is better built, has a nicer cabin and infotainment system etc, the Stelvio is the better driver's car, incredible handling but most importantly, incredible ride quality which the X3M can on dream of....
@@JoeAchilles1 thanks for your feedback, I've checked your videos and after that buyed an 2019 Stelvio QV.
What's about the sound of the two cars? Exhaust ofc,
I detest "X" cars usually out of principle.. yet this massively excites me..........
I was at the BMW dealer today. should I buy a brand new x3m comp or get a 69 plate one?
Sorry, late to the video. Joe, I just picked up my own X3 M Competition (black) - do you know any content creators who are vlogging their modifications? I'm think of lowering springs and potentially a piggyback tune - but don't know yet. Thanks!
Joe- how do you find the seats in the X3 M. Do you feel they are a bit restrictive on your thighs?
I’ve had the X3M for 6 months. Verdict: terrible ride, bad fuel consumption, great handling, ballistic engine (above 3,000rpm).
I had the X3 M40i beforehand. Verdict: better ride, slightly better fuel consumption, great torque, not as quick (but still rapid), easier car to live with.
Overall verdict: I’m a fan of silly cars. I love the X3M.
brilliant video 👌 the ending got me 😂
You mentioned how the carbon fiber highlights the not so great plastic trim throughout the dash. My F80 has the full merino leather option, which has all the parts that are normally plastic on the dash, upholstered in leather. So that’s not an issue. Is there not some similar option offered on the new X3 M?
Yes the extended leather is nice, but the surround near the gear stick/selector still looks out of place on the F80's and nice spec ALPINAS. There isn't that option on the X3M here in the UK, doubt there will be on the new M3/4 either due to all the WLTP bullshit testing
I really get the point, the road doesn't look bad at all but it looks like your riding a rollercoaster 😂
Joe maybe I missed it, but what would you rather have... X3 M Competition OR X3 M40i... (based on price). The reason I ask is I'm wondering if someone who already has the X3 M40i should upgrade?
Shot a video comparing both of them about 3 weeks after this video mate 👌
Joe, what would you take for a daily, this X3M competition, or a M5 competition? I have seen drag races and I know the M5 is the fastest 4 door, but if you want a daily, what would you get the M5 competition or the x3M competition?
I'd get a standard M5. In fact that's what I got because the Competition was a bit too brittle in Comfort and annoyed the family. The Standard M5 isn't exactly soft but it is a great car to cover distances in great comfort and still enjoy wonderful suspension and great performance. The Competition badge on the likes of the M5 and the X cars mean they aren't anywhere near as useable as a daily driver.
Great review. Surprised at the lack of torque blow 2000 revs, Joe. And as for that thing with the cushion....😆
ian taf It’s probably because compression ratio is significantly lower than S55, which affects torque off boost.
Does it have the same (awful) seats as the M4 Competition i.e. no adjustable lumbar support? If so I'd want more than an Avengers cushion, I'd need Scarlett Johansen for comfort ;)
why is the m4 comp seat awful? you mean with the holes in it? is it not comfortable?
@@Levente20 Not the holes, it doesn't have any adjustable lumbar support like the OG M4. I drove one and my lower back ached. I had no such problem on the M2 Competition which uses the OG M4's seat type.
The X3M Competition seat has adjustable lumbar support, adjustable side bolstering, and adjustable thigh support. The seats are considerably more comfortable than the M3/4 Comp seats.
Swapped from a ‘17 F80 Comp to this 2 months ago, and I love it!
coolest suv
Sounds soooo much better then the S55
What a sexy looking suv 😍 the best on the road
i fuck these things most times uphill along with AUDI Q3 and 5 and GLC and E in my 10 year old Lexus Hybrid SUV....and these drivers are always pretty pissed because my car has only 1 hidden exhaust pipe and looks quite oldfashioned but timeless classy !!!
IDrive 6 is the best systeme in the car world and faaaaarrrrrr better then the new Idrive 7
This is the best SUV in the class,but i'm shoked by the price.I'm actual owner of this X3 but in luxury line eith 30d and trust me this SUV has no competition with the combination of tech,luxury and driving expiriance.But the price of this X3M is toooooooo much.Imagine that the new GLE 53 AMG wich is in the class abouve is the same price.WTF????
All these car youtubers' commentary on the external looks of a car, is just faff. It's subjective, and yeah, we can see what it looks like.
When will Avengers cushion be available on CTRL & SHIFT?
stubones Or even Disney/Marvel
PS; 55k on this car (used) could be far better spent on a nearly new AMG e53 4matic estate, too.
Masha Allah.. very nice car!
Wher is the M140 shadow edition
none of the ///M SUV's make sense. But they are still awesome
This car sounds great without the opf
what's the colour
Weird how they put a GB plate on the back but not the front..
I think you thankfully only need one on the back to drive in the rest of Europe...
How can u say the interior looks dated when its brand spankers and super fresh. Looks more modern than my 2016 m4 and that still looks good. Dated to me is mk6 gti or e90 m3.
I drive lots of properly modern cars, the interior is dated compared to the X5 or 3 series.
@@JoeAchilles1 what is it that makes u think an interior is dated? Materials used? Shapes? Lines? Colours?
Also if you do want a significantly slower but more comfortable car. Get the b58
But then if you want that why not jus buy a biturbo diesel? Feel as fast as the x3m just without the revs.
I’m gonna start recording myself spouting absolute rubbish and call myself Eddie guerrero
Three quarters of a tank remaining, 195 miles range 🥺
😂 know how it feels
Correction : this is Twin Turbo (Real 2 Turbo) not Twin Power Turbo (just 1 Turbo for real)
Se tem x3 imaculada tem like!
lol avengers cushion needed for x3m
This or the mild hybrid P400e Range Rover sport (400BHP)